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How are we feeling a decade on from the attempt to change the flag, plus scams and car warrants.

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Speaker 1 (00:07):
You're listening to the Marcus Lush Nights podcast from News Talks.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
I'd be.

Speaker 3 (00:12):
Gosh. I have never made out I am the oracle
of wind, but boy, for every windy down south, it's
coming from the west. It's a raving westerly. So the
only reason I'm saying that is because what I suspect
is that I suspect that this wind will be causing
problems up the country with trees over the road. It
doesn't feel it's as strong as the winds that we've had,

(00:34):
but some of those trees might be damaged and there
might be stuff coming down, so I wouldn't be surprised
if there is not. I don't tell me Smith's gone
on the first ball, Come on, appeal that you know
why I'm angry because I've got wind fade? Is it
a thing? My sky is terrible? Can you get up
on other screen? Don if that's I don't know if
it's gone. I can't see anything on a stupid it's

(00:55):
a boundary. It must be the England, it must be
the Australian people that are celebrating. Anyway, so extremely windy.
If you've got any traffic interruptions that are happening tonight.
Let us know what those traffic interruptions are, because we
want to keep people driving around the country happily. Big
part of my audience is people in cars, and I
cherish you people in your cars up and down the country.

(01:17):
You go, let's pull over in car markers. It's a
good thing. That So if you've got updates for us
on the weather. That's one of my core values. Not
that I've already had core values. I am he had

(01:37):
a fatty successful today with day to day with a
nappy sand It's not called nappi san anymore. I made
the mistake of washing a shirt with another shirt and
they both came out a similar color, and they went
in the washingmishing separate colors, and I panicked. I thought,
jeepest creepers. I need to get that sorted out.

Speaker 4 (02:01):
Well.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Last time I usednapi sent after a color run on
a Swan drug. You know what a color runner is.
You go to like a racecourse and you walk around
with your kids and they squirt you with different colored powders.
Were terrible to wear, my swanderer, but it was cold,
and then I went back. I got jeep as the creepers.
I wrecked that. So I went back home and put
in the washing machine in the Gentile ane and I
put the whole thing of the nappy sand in with it,

(02:22):
and it just stripped all the color from the swander's disaster.
Do you think I learnt my lesson? Not really. I
still put too much in. But there's just me with
nappy sent anyway. It's not called nappy sent anymore because
that was just for nappies. Now they're into the whole
stainum portion of the market. So I was happy I've
got that sort of out that ga. There's a good

(02:43):
feeling when you can actually think you've ruined your clothes
and you get them back from the brink. How you're
going out there? List of land people, I'm here till midnight.
I imagine things will happen between now and twelve what
I can't tell you officially, but I reckon there were
some people with things to say. So if you want

(03:04):
to partake and start the whole discussion, I'll check some topics.
Your way to feeling Christmas isn't it trees are up
and people are tooting. What will happen is you'll be
trying to get into a cut. Now you'll be trying
to what's happening. Why are people tooting? I think if

(03:25):
it's a one way road and someone stopped to wait
for a car to go out to let the other car.
Someone stopped at the cargo out so they can park
at that car park, and there's four cars behind. It's
close enough to Christmas for one of those four cars
behind to toot their horn. So be weary of that.
People are highly strung, and that's Christmas. I don't think

(03:50):
Christmas was meant to be a summer kind of a
time of the year. I think that if it was
cool anyway, the traffic I've noticed the traffic's markedly busier.
Don't know what happens in the Vicago. I think people
coming from the country get their kid to tramp or something. Anyway,
So I'm looking at windy dot com looking at this

(04:12):
one but very strong Wesley moving up the country. It'll
be a Northwestern when it gets to christ Church, and
that won't be pleasant. It'll be hot, hot as heck.
They're not going to get us through to midnight. Just
talk about the weather. Also, what is interesting, and I've
just learned about this today it's ten years since the

(04:33):
flag referendum. It's also ten years since I started doing
this show, because when I started doing the show, it
was right in the middle of the flag referendum, and boy,
oh boy, were people heated about that. And caller after
caller would ring up and say, Marcus and then say
this word for word, Marcus, I am a amateur vexillologist.

(04:59):
Do you know what that is? And I'd say yeah,
I'd say that'd be someone that studies flags, and they'd say, oh, correct.
Of course I didn't really study flags. They were just
opinionated and wanted to flood the discussion with misinformation anyway,

(05:19):
So yes, it was ten years ago we discussed the flag.
And it's actually a podcast about the flag that about
the flag refriend of it. I've had to listen to it,
listen to this weekend. I don't know what its titles.
I'll find that out. It's a podcast about things that
went badly in New Zealand. But there was an appetite
for a change of flag, but the process was botched.

(05:45):
Then they chose a panel to get the four contenders
to go against the current flag, and they knew that
John Key liked a silver fern. Therefore they skewed themselves
towards him and had three with a silver fern in there.
I think that all looked like WeetBix boxes. So it
was a classic own goal because there was an appetite

(06:05):
for a change of and we could have had a
change of flag, but the proposal and the way it
was run was such that there was no change of flag.
Are we happier now with our flag that we were
ten years ago? Probably because we had that letting process.
And I don't know if you want to talk about this,
I don't think there's any appetite for a change of

(06:26):
flag now. I think it's probably ten years away. But
people flying all sorts of flags now, aren't they see
all sorts of other flags going around? People are much
they've adopted all sorts of other flags also, then there's
good on them. But yes flags, So yes, ten years
ago today, if you've got well ten ten years ago
are in the midst of it. Were the vexillologists, And yeah,

(06:53):
there was a sense that if a great flag came
from the contenders, that that itself would become a used flag.
You never see those ones of Lockwood. I forget what
his name was you never see them anywhere because every
bad designs are terrible, terrible. So I'm pleased we didn't

(07:15):
go with one of those. I'm really glad that we've
actually saved ourselves a lot of international embarrassment. His name
was Kyle Lockwood. Yeah, there we go. So that's the situation.
So how are you fitling? Ten years after that? I've
never spoken to so many amateur vexillologists. By the way,

(07:35):
I happened to sit and listen to the and watch
the coverage on TV of the cricket during the break.
What a banal and immature show. Those Australians rather pathetic
if they're trying to get something like the footage show
wasn't even close. Gosh, it was banal anyway, being the

(07:55):
rain fade or the wind fade came on, having it
to be worried about it. Now it's fifteen pastator who
want to a pine. It's flags and the wind to
start with, which appropriate because without legs, well that would
you ever got flags flying? Very well, Andrew, It's Marcus,
good evening, Marcus Andrew.

Speaker 5 (08:17):
I was devastated we didn't change the flag and.

Speaker 2 (08:20):
I remember at the time people wow, bringing up.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
And saying people saying, my father or grandfather.

Speaker 3 (08:26):
Fought under that board, under that flag.

Speaker 5 (08:29):
And I would have thought that thought they should have
been saying, was my grandfather and father fought to give
us the right to be able to change the flag.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
Yeah, the people got, people got, people got really heated
with weird logic, didn't.

Speaker 5 (08:42):
They They did, and it was botch is so right?
And I think they should have. I remember about six
months later it was the Olympics and I thought all
those Union Jack New Zealand flags flying, they should have
done it afterwards. But speaking of what did you say
vic xologists?

Speaker 3 (08:59):
I think it's vigilologist v e x I L l
O l O g Y.

Speaker 5 (09:07):
What's the only country that's flag as a map of
the country in it?

Speaker 3 (09:12):
It's a really good question. And don't and don't don't
tell me the only country?

Speaker 6 (09:21):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:21):
Sight it is?

Speaker 5 (09:23):
But the trick question is.

Speaker 3 (09:26):
It's not it's not a country?

Speaker 7 (09:28):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (09:28):
Is it? Is it? Is it not?

Speaker 8 (09:29):
A Yeah?

Speaker 5 (09:30):
And someone said there's not a country, and its kind
of isn't.

Speaker 3 (09:33):
It got split in two, didn't it?

Speaker 5 (09:37):
Well, it's not really split in two. Yeah, there's two governments.
That's not split into there's only one flag and they
only seen one Olympic team.

Speaker 3 (09:46):
Okay, one of the flags isn't one. I think one
of the world flags is square.

Speaker 5 (09:57):
Do you know that there's one? There's one flag that's
a bit of a trying to triangle, isn't it? Is
it the better it's a better country?

Speaker 9 (10:05):
Yes, yes, it's got a.

Speaker 5 (10:08):
Non square flayer, non rectangle fla.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
No, I think it's I think I think it's Nepal
with a non rectangular one, isn't it? And Mozambique has
an AK forty seven on it, which is hardcore. I
never knew that the flag and the pauls like two triangles,
one on top of the other.

Speaker 5 (10:29):
That's right all. I think they're certainly staking their position
in the marketplace and saying what they stand for.

Speaker 10 (10:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (10:39):
Yeah, it's pretty hardcore, isn't it. What also, what also
annoyed to be about the discussions Everyone said, oh, well,
no one can tell them between us in Australia. But
that was never a problem for me. I think probably
if they'd been more honest and said, hey, we've heard
this for a long time, it's probably time we had
something new to show. Where have come as a country
people probably would have been more into it.

Speaker 5 (11:01):
I think the problem was the one that John keelate
was actually the best option voted because they said it
was a vanity project for him. But and it was,
I guess, but that was the best option.

Speaker 3 (11:11):
To John John Ky John Key shuld have said, no
matter what flag we choose, as long as you don't
choose this one because I hate it, and then they
probably would have got it.

Speaker 11 (11:21):
That's true back logic.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
Andrew, it's been a very good call. We've learnt and
we've laughed. Marriott's Marcus, welcome.

Speaker 8 (11:34):
Yea, how was out?

Speaker 11 (11:37):
I having my car and sort of jud.

Speaker 3 (11:44):
Now I'm getting every second word, Marry, can you just
turn a bit towards the transmitter? I heard about your
car and upper har ware or something both. Out of
the wind, Yeah, much better, thank you. It's pretty windy.
What would you what would you say the wind speed?
It's probably for sixty k's per hour?

Speaker 12 (12:05):
Is it?

Speaker 8 (12:07):
Oh?

Speaker 9 (12:07):
No?

Speaker 12 (12:07):
There must have read like one hundred cakes but years.

Speaker 11 (12:10):
Calm down now, okay, I think rain. But what I
thought was it that holiday?

Speaker 3 (12:20):
You had a fortune? Mary have just cut out again
there too, So I'm going to let you go. And
apologize for that. But yeah, go back and listen to
the call, but yeah, it was. It was unlistable, so
I'm sorry. At nineteen past eight, eight twenty two, Brody
ats Marcus, welcome, Hi Brody.

Speaker 11 (12:36):
Hey, can you hear me?

Speaker 9 (12:37):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
Oh, here we go, Mike good, Thank you, Brody.

Speaker 10 (12:41):
I was thought about the flag. I reckon it's a
good idea to change to day. I don't like our
our current. I find the Union Jack's too hard to draw.
So I was like, you know, when I was a kid,
I said, we used to always have to draw flags
and stuff, and I can never get the crosses. Probably,
you know, I think, you know, on one would be
pretty nice, you know, oh and flags wait, I'll look

(13:04):
here you go, Yeah, look at the Aussie one, and
if we just look exactly like Aussie's and then yeah,
having our own little thing. Plus you know, England's kind
of kind of going down the toilet at the moment. Anyway,
we don't really want to be associated with them. You
look at the stuff they are going.

Speaker 3 (13:18):
On your post bricks and the economy's clipsed. I agree,
I agree, but yeah, it's interesting about the drawing angle.
Thanks Brodie, dB it's Marcus welcome.

Speaker 11 (13:28):
Good losing im something else. I saw one of the
flags that was proposed about a week I thought, that's
not a bad looking flag, and then I just looked
it upside. It was the one that won the pole,
which was the sort of fern with four stars. Now,

(13:48):
I like the idea of keeping the Southern Cross and
and but just losing the Union Jack. But I really
thought that pole could have been better. And after the
death of.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
The Queen, yes, it's a good idea. I don't know
what the hurry.

Speaker 11 (14:07):
Was, yeah, because I thought, you know, all right, once
the sea had died, it was a release if you
like that, you know, oh, go and look at what
you think independence look slide, because we are independent from
the monarchy except for the governor general. You know, we

(14:32):
think about ourselves as a sovereign country. So I thought
they would have been a good time been to have
had that debate and having looked at some of these flags,
because I've just bought them up on my screen in
the front of me personally, and yeah, like it's contentious
no matter what you come up with. I rather like

(14:55):
the idea of leaving the Southern Cross there so that
the rest of the world remembers what the New Zealand
flags sort of looked like. The silver scene is getting
more and more recognized other than blazer Kiwi. And we
can choose the the merry colors of either red and

(15:15):
black or black and blue. And that's I just so.
And as I said, I saw this just the other day.
I thought, that's not a bad looking tag.

Speaker 3 (15:26):
Because red peak, a red peak that was going to
be the bolt of the red triangle below the triangle
of black and blue looks all right, but it doesn't
really sweep you away.

Speaker 11 (15:34):
But yeah, it doesn't quite say anything, although you could
say South Africa's one doesn't say anything with the intersecting
ingrown triangles. Yeah, like I said, I had a feeling
that the world accepts the Southern Cross as almost Kiwi. Yes,

(15:57):
Australia has got there and they've got an extra cover
starts to help about. That's a good thing to keep
because the people that fought for us fought for New Zealand,
not for England.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
Yeah, good point. Were you engaged at the time ten.

Speaker 11 (16:14):
Years ago, Yes, yes, I voted. I actually thought that
the peak at the time wasn't a bad idea, but
I've aged unfortunately.

Speaker 3 (16:28):
Yeah, I don't think that. I think they always thought
the weird the red peak would be adopted because I
think they chucked it in lately as a as a
as a bolter. I think that was a bolter.

Speaker 11 (16:38):
Yes, and there's another flag, will crew on it. Well,
I could accept the currey, but I'd like to see
the sun cross of it as well.

Speaker 3 (16:48):
And I don't think any government is going to go
anywhere near this for ten years. No one's going to know.
It's a hiding to nowhere, isn't it.

Speaker 11 (16:55):
It's a it's a beating for no good outcome.

Speaker 3 (16:58):
For no good outcome whatsoever. And even if you were
successful that kind of you know, if you had a
beard and I'm going to go stuck with that bloody flag. Yeah,
So I don't know how it. I don't know how
chain happens. Really.

Speaker 11 (17:09):
Oh well, we're still a young country. We might graft
sub stake.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Or we might be invaded.

Speaker 11 (17:17):
I hope.

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Twenty eight past eight. My name's Marcus Hidle. Twelve ticks.
If you want to beck on the flag, what's been
ten years between drinks? Laser being KIWI was the best option?
Is really good to get in touch, Marcus till twelve.
Do you want to be a part of it. That's

(17:41):
the point. That's the plane South Africa. Sorry, Australia two four,
one five five. Just we need some wickets. Australia, sorry,
just we need some wickets. England. I'm begging England obviously,

(18:02):
just because it's so vile the Australian cricketers. Well, I
quite like Stark, but it's a situation. So if you
want to be in touch. We are talking about the flag.
What happens now we had one let we had one lesson,
didn't we and that was it? Yep, so it didn't happen.

(18:23):
You go the Wikipedia page, it's got some of the
other ones that win. There were some interesting flags in there.
Most of them got stars or koru or ferns. I
know that the fern is a kordu, but Korda was
a more particular fern stylized end of it. I think. Yep,
So be in touch if you want to talk on here,

(18:44):
that's the whole point. Tonight eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and nine to nine to text. It was even people
afterwards that tried to I think Gareth Morgan was involved
with overturning the flag later on, I mean yeah, I
think he was in favor of Red Peak, which was
actually in the end called wah Ganger Craig. It's Marcus well.

Speaker 13 (19:06):
Them good evening. How's it going this evening?

Speaker 3 (19:09):
Craig is going good? Thank you. How's it going with you?

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Oh, that's not to be.

Speaker 13 (19:13):
Teens a week, it's always good.

Speaker 8 (19:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 13 (19:16):
Flag flags, Sam, I remember a couple of things. Was
one I remember an article on your station last year
sometimes not dissume when it was, but they changed the
flag on the Sydney Harbor Bridge and someone mucked up
and they put the New Zealand flag on for about
two days until they realized they put the wrong one up.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
No one noticed, No, it's a couple of days.

Speaker 14 (19:37):
It must have been.

Speaker 13 (19:38):
Someone must have pointed it out and they're like, hang on.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
So that was quite hilarious.

Speaker 13 (19:41):
But the other one I find cone scene is Japan.
They have a different flag for the national flags. The
Japanese Navy has a different flag to their short country.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Just quite quite interesting.

Speaker 3 (19:51):
Really, that's the circumstance with that, do you.

Speaker 13 (19:54):
Know, I'm not too certain, don't know whether the things
can do with the war or anything like that. But
the Navy has the one with the like the sun
and the lions coming out.

Speaker 3 (20:02):
Oh, that's the one that they had on the planes. Yes,
that's what I thought.

Speaker 13 (20:11):
Yeah, yeah, whereas actual national flag is a different one.
So I thought, I've always find it fun interesting how
the Navy has a different flag to the country flag.

Speaker 3 (20:19):
Yes, it's interesting, but.

Speaker 13 (20:21):
Yeah, that's about already have it's interesting topics to talk to.

Speaker 3 (20:24):
But fantastic.

Speaker 12 (20:27):
M Yeah.

Speaker 13 (20:28):
I'm sure you get a few people, a few of
the rabbit hole people that ring up and like you
you're saying before and probably say how a lot of
weird stuff. But I think the country is a long
way before we change the flag. I mean, the other
thing you have to look at it is amount of
money it's going to evolve for a refereem and all that.
Whereas the country whereas the moment, you know, they should
be putting money somewhere else rather than spend a lot
of excess money on flag choices.

Speaker 3 (20:50):
What are you're making a tick? What if you don't?
What noise are you making? Greg, are you playing marjong
or something?

Speaker 13 (20:56):
I was drinking from water bowl at the same time,
so I.

Speaker 3 (21:00):
Said, it's clicking. It's a clicking and plastic. I couldn't
identify what it was. It's like it's like news his
real owned secret sound. Yeah, hello, Tim, this is Marcus. Welcome.

Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, good evening, Marcus. You will yes, thank you, hey
good son. But late to the show. But I sort
of got the gist. But when I first heard about flag,
my mind immediately went to an article I read earlier
in the week about a art installation then Hastings Sure
where people are invited to walk over a New Zealand flag.

(21:36):
It was laid out on the ground. So I've just dropped.
I've just dropped in just a refreshment of mind from
where it was. And it's telling me that she's controversial
flag exhibit stolen from Hastings art gallery, so that now

(21:56):
I have to condeinn. Well, you can't condemn fifth A,
but from my point of view, don't be walking over
anybody's flag. Whatever the ha's see it to people's hearts.
You know, myself included. I'm only I'm only a citizen
of this country. I wasn't born here, but as a

(22:18):
child I came here and I saw I am a
ki week by guy's raised here and became naturalized, as
they put it, and yeah, it's our flag, it's my flag,
and I don't I know it's you know, you could say, well,
it's just a piece of class, it's symbolism.

Speaker 15 (22:40):
But.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
Yeah, it means, it means what it means to me.
And maybe I'm getting a putt of way on it there.

Speaker 8 (22:48):
Sorry, Yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think a lot of people share your opinion. A
lot of people get very worked up about that. For me,
it doesn't worry me, but I know it does. I
don't know it does worry other people.

Speaker 2 (23:05):
Yeah, I mean it wouldn't find wouldn't worry me to
the point I would had I been in Hastings, I
would have a or I would have a conversation with
the artist because that's interesting where they're coming from and
what what it means to them. Sure, which is the
whole point of having art, as.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
The point of art is to promote discussion and thought
you'd have to give that a big tick.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
Absolutely, but you can't go wrong there. As for you know,
future wag change, Yeah, I mean again, all we can
do is talk about these things and not try and
get too too tied up in it. You know, at
the end of the day, everything changes and always will change.

(23:55):
So that's that's you know. We Yeah, we have to
keep talking whatever it is.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
Absolutely find you free, reasonable tim Thanks very much to
the twenty four to nine looking forward to you and
put I've got texts as I should. Nine two nine
two is the number if you want to text. Here's
what people are saying. Flag, flag, flag, What about the
god orful anthem? It's a choice. What would you change

(24:24):
the flag of the anthem? I'd be then for the anthem, Marcus.
Nothing is stopping anyone or any sectar in a parison
or other group flying their own flag of preference here
unless outlawed or illegal. I imagine the only flag that
would be illegal would be the swastika?

Speaker 13 (24:42):
Would it?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Here we go again down the flag rabbit hole. I
just can't believe it's freaking out remembering the ants that Simon. Yes,
there was neighbors fighting. Um so that's right. Everyone was
an expert. My grandfather fought. They would say, we didn't

(25:06):
stop any other countries changing their flag. I'm sure the
people in Canada that fought and they changed these effortlessly.
There aren't many flags that still have the Union Jack
they're just like small Pacific nations, a bit like ourselves.

(25:27):
How many would it be would it be twenty? And
places in the Bahamas? I think twenty three?

Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:40):
In Hawaii has the Union Jack, but was never part
of the Empire, but they just showed it as a
sign of respect. Mind you, Hawaii is not a country,
is it? It was once? Now it's a state, part
of the Lower forty eight.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (25:59):
Well, I actually not part of the Law forty eight,
but they referred to the Law forty eight. They're ReFood
to that. Before Hawaii was a state, they'd say the
Lower forty nine. I imagine we're probably the biggest country
population wise. Would the Union jack on our flag? There'd

(26:25):
be my take on it, except for Australia. And except
for Australia, Yeah, even the United States used to have
the Union Jack on their flag with stripes. See, not
many countries at all have it that all the other

(26:46):
municipalities anyway, that's what we are talking about. And if
you want to talk eight hundred and eighty today nine
nine to de text. So I think it's just Australia,
New Zealand, Tuvarlu and Fiji, and Fiji's part of the
comor part of that. We're part of the Comrath realm.

(27:07):
What that means. I've never had any idea to do
with the coup. Come through if you want to be
a part of it. Eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
and nine two nine two detext till on flags.

Speaker 16 (27:24):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (27:27):
Now, if there's other stuff you want to talk about,
very strong winds coming up the country, yep, and there
will be more trees down by the end of tonight.
I would think also heavy rain alerts head on midnight

(27:47):
if you want to be a part of it. Eighteen
to nine. An emailer emails Brett. I'm from Wennington, decide
to drive up to Auckland for the weekend and have
just noticed that there are a lot of aggressive drivers
that merge into your lane without indicating and don't use
indicators at sections indicators and now there aren't really drivers

(28:09):
like that in Wellington, so I'm not really used to it.
I'm not quite sure when they passed the by law
that made indicating in Auckland optional, but I'll tell you what.
It's a by law that's been embraced with a relish.
Are there regional variations with drivers in this country. I
don't know, but maybe maybe Auckland's superpower is not indicating

(28:33):
it's someone their recently talk about how bad the christ
Jews drivers were. I'm not saying that to be controversial.
I just can't remember I heard it. Actually, I should
fact check that one fifteen to nine. If you want
to be a part of it, how are you going? People?
Welcome to the show'd be nice to hear from you, Marcus.

(28:57):
I would like to buy whoever stole the flag artwork
from Hastings Art Galleries to their beer. I'm shocked at
the artwork. Ben Well, you probably could. I think their
name is there? Just ever look it up. Most of
the people can do the things that you say you'd
like to do.

Speaker 17 (29:12):
Cheese.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
It must been close to Christmas because we're getting rid
of the bottom of the talkback barrel. Now wow, Well,
I don't think we're doing compulsory third party insurance, but
I appreciate your enthusiam and we are getting close to Christmas.
That's right, jumping. If you want to partake in the morning,

(29:35):
here is the World Cup football drawer. That'll work out fine.
It's only with rugby that we're jinxed. It's gona be
a long two years getting ready for that. Oh wait,
a hundred and eight taty at nine two nine to
detextile Marcus, welcome, there's anything else you want to talk about.

(29:56):
We're all about that tonight. We're all about the all
about always looking for news to bring to you. And
she maybe doesn't say he stole that flag, but someone
was banned from the gallery for two years for kicking
wooden block, which was part of the installation. What's getting

(30:22):
people to tune up to see it? Yep, there you go.

Speaker 12 (30:31):
Us.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
We know there's an art gallery in Hastings now thirteen
to nine ten from nine a Texasys. Your compulsory third
party quip made me spit my drink. Very funny, Marcus.

(30:52):
I've been listening to you for a few years now.
I know time and time again you always run down
our anthem. What do you suggests we should change it to?

Speaker 4 (30:59):
No?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Just respect?

Speaker 12 (30:59):
Wrong?

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Quite biased when it comes to anthem, especially when it
includes two cultures. Chris, Well, thank you for that, and
thank you for recognizing my consistency on this opinion. I
wouldn't like to be called out for wavering. I think
it's a tune to down Buzz. It's like it's like

(31:28):
walking through treacle. You start with good faith, but she
it goes and just you feel your energy stepping away
from you. Are you chucked?

Speaker 8 (31:45):
Poier?

Speaker 3 (31:46):
And something like that, or Airport or one of those
songs that people love to sing.

Speaker 12 (31:50):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
To down Buzz though, and people don't sing it. Otherwise
you'd see the All Blacks singing it. It was a
great song, they'd be right into it, but they're not.
It's not Some songs are enjoyable to sing, like Alice
living next door to Alice when you're Alice, who's there?
Because Alice who will love that? You can't wait for

(32:16):
it to say that. But but there's no bit now
Anthony that you can't wait to say, Oh here we go?
Were coming up to the at their feet bit nothing,
there's no joy, there's nothing oh here we go, more
of the sort of uphill trick that is the song. Yeah, Lyrically,
it's kind of fine like all of those. But look

(32:38):
at Ireland's Call and that's not even an anthem because
Ireland is not a country. But when they play rugby,
they play as the Republic of Ireland, and the part
of Ireland that's partly not a kingdom, Northern Ireland. And
they've got their own song which was just made up
for especially for rugby, and it'd be one hundred times
better than ours Ireland's call. Well, go on YouTube. We

(33:03):
just listened to that. That makes me feel good in
my heart. Our one not so much. But that's just opinion.
I don't necessarily think there's I don't even know who
the guy was Reckon, don't even know what his claim

(33:24):
to fame was. I think he came up with a
music didion. Somebody has come up with the lyrics. He's Irish,
Irish born Zealand poet, poet, journalist and politician.

Speaker 13 (33:40):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (33:42):
Died young at fifty four, buried and buried in Dunedin.

Speaker 18 (33:50):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Anyway, I digress, But that's fine. I mean, some of
you might love it. Nice to hear from you. Nigel
Marcus christ Church drivers in famous red light runners, Yeah,

(34:11):
I do haven't experienced that. So are there regional variations
in our driving? God you say aucklands don't indicate and
christ Church runs the red probably could flag flag flag?

(34:32):
What about the gold awful anthem?

Speaker 18 (34:38):
So there we are.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Two for one eight six. England will lose this test,
probably outright to Australia the way it's going, so we'll
get a boxing day test. That's a dead rubber. I
think that's the fourth'll be terrible. They were win that
three nil down. Be no joy in that, No joy

(35:02):
at all. If you've got any traffic updates for US
is very strong win. Yep. So TikTok's now complying with
the media band in Australia. I think Meta already has
good on them. I don't know what you want to

(35:25):
say about that, but I'm here for it. We've got
anything to add, Marcus, till midnight tonight. Ten years since
the flag referendum, how are we fitling about it now?
Wasted opportunity or did we dodge a bullet? Marcus? The
US national anthem has that bit where everyone can't wait

(35:45):
to sing. That's right, so Red Rocket's glare bombers bursting
in air. By the way, did you guys get an
answer for if you could contact his indentity when they're
all resumed direct flight to Chicago? That was on our show.
I don't think here's a frightening text. The All Blacks

(36:07):
used to sing the anthem when they were kiwis in
the team, but now the team is made up of
stolen imports. We aren't great at rugby, we are great
at opening the checkbook. How many all Blacks in that
team are New Zealand born? I'd say most, wouldn't you
Jet gibtail art to that? For me, I'd say almost

(36:32):
all of ge GPT's good. Of the forty two players
in the current all Black rooster are roster, thirty two
were born in New Zealand, meaning ten players were born
outside the country, twenty three point eight percent foreign born
and vet representation, which increased from the previous year. Brilliant.

(36:54):
That's a good answer. Take your week on Google. Yep,
takes our water old chet GPT, but Geeshu's quick text
if you want to hear twelve I'm a white chicken.
The anthem as a down buzz, but I love it
and moldy I'd love to see us drop the English version.

(37:17):
Kate says, poor, it would work for me as an anthem.
That's what's happening, low Beauchamp fifty eight, Smith fourteen. That's right.
Whether it's collar turned up in such an annoying way.

(37:38):
One of those guys, is if we are, and if
we are, if the whole of life and Civilization is
just a video game that we're in, which people say
it's some form of giant illusion, I'd say the people
that run the game have designed Smith for maximum annoyance.

(38:02):
There'd be my take. Someone says, I'm playing Devil's Advocate,
am I certainly aren't. I'm just talking my opinion. I
never do Devil's Advocate Advocate.

Speaker 19 (38:15):
Lover.

Speaker 3 (38:15):
Shane's Out Australia three for one nine six. I keep
you update of that. I scored on at the moment.
The number is eight hundred and eighty ten eighty and
nine two nine two detects Nickott's Marcus, Good evening and welcome.

Speaker 8 (38:27):
Hello Marcus. How are you tonight?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
Good?

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Thank you? Nick.

Speaker 8 (38:31):
Why does it annoy you that his collar's turned up?
Because it annoys me. Nobody else in the team has
the collar turned up, but Steve Smith does.

Speaker 3 (38:42):
I think he's just really annoyed me. I think he's
just been put on earth to annoy us everything about him,
and it's this, yeah, it's and look, I think it's
pretty amature of us targeting. He's probably a lovely guy,
but I hate him.

Speaker 8 (38:54):
There's no way he should be captain after the sandpaper.

Speaker 3 (38:58):
No, no, and what what was worse? As he cried
little face screwed up. If you get do that bit,
if you're going to do it, own it and just
say yeah, fair enough, it's the way we play hard,
but try when you get caught.

Speaker 8 (39:15):
I had intentions to go to the NCG to watch
the Boxing Day Test. The Barmie Army would just be
going off the amazing.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
But it could be they could be three that kneel
down on a five tiers series, couldn't they?

Speaker 8 (39:30):
They're not going to the English are not going to
win a Test?

Speaker 4 (39:33):
No?

Speaker 8 (39:35):
Are you not good enough?

Speaker 3 (39:36):
Are you English?

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Not?

Speaker 8 (39:38):
Really? Fifty one years sound a bit English?

Speaker 3 (39:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 7 (39:43):
But no.

Speaker 8 (39:44):
I support the Aussies actually, but they're going to win
pig No.

Speaker 3 (39:50):
I don't know enough because when the ESSES was last
in England it was a big teaser. Wally followed, I
don't know enough about England cricket to know why they
why they continue, why they get so overwhelmed on the ashes.
But I presume a little bit. It's about the Australia
and competitiveness and the.

Speaker 8 (40:08):
Well, it's partly the hot sun. Yeah, it's very, very
hot for five days in the field, so that's part
of the reason. And they're just not good enough.

Speaker 3 (40:23):
But I don't know enough about player numbers. And it
seems to be a game that gets huge support in
the UK. It seems as though it's the game. It's
not like a game that's dying, is it.

Speaker 8 (40:33):
Well, it was invented in England. Yes, the mcg's in England,
the cricket boards in England, but they just they sort
of they choke in Australia.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Yeah, Australia's pretty Australia is a pretty extreme country too.
I imagine people go to Australia get really freaked out.

Speaker 8 (40:56):
Yeah, yeah, that's hot, extreme. Yeah. I think the crowd
of loving it, loving it.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
I feel I felt sorry for those Bami Army people
that kind of go to one test and their test
was PERF because I presume it's closer to England, and
they flew there for five days it was done, and
two with the flying back and changing flights. That must
have been gutting.

Speaker 8 (41:21):
Did you hear they lost five million months on tickets, yes,
let alone food and transport and hotels.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
The people were making souvenir T shirts to make a
lot of it. It was financially devastating, devastating absolutely, because
you can't really perc you can't really come with something
else straight away to entertain them for three days of
the stadium. Can you you're just done?

Speaker 4 (41:47):
No.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
I think this particular test match could go four days,
but they're still not going to win it.

Speaker 4 (41:56):
No.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
So and someone texted me opinion. Someone texted me last
night and there's been twenty one pink test matches. Test me,
it's not many. And any team that's got I forget
the figure three three six five or something has got
in the bed at first and got that has gone
on to win. But clearly that's not the case, because

(42:19):
Australia will win this. That's my belief.

Speaker 8 (42:21):
Will you and you enjoy the host series?

Speaker 3 (42:24):
I will. It's good that at work that I'm liking that.
Thank you. We're also talking the flag tonight in the
anthem you will ring out the old chestnuts. I can't
stand Steve Steve Smith either. Do you see him spitting
all the time. He's to spit in his hands and
rub it together. Now he just spits. Oh, get in touch.

(42:50):
Someone says nothing like the Welsh singing or the Welsh anthem.
What's the deal with all the roundabouts and Totong and
the town center, motorways all around. Someone loves roundabouts. Just
been there from Auckland around ten times more than there here.
I think probably the situation with Totong groovery very quickly
and the traffic in the flow, and they thought roundabouts

(43:11):
would be quicker than putting in traffic lights. It would
control intersections quicker. I think it was just panic and
lack of planning. So that's what we're on about tonight.
But here till twelve. You talk on air tonight thirteen
past nine, I'm embracing what you've got to say. Marcus

(43:34):
scam alert. I've been scammed fifty five dollars. I bought
some items online on Black Friday. I paid for postage
at the time of purchasing. I received a text from
what looked like Indeed Post saying the retailer had not
paid the postage and if I wanted my package, to
click the link and make a payment. I did this
as you would. I only found after I'd checked my

(43:55):
online begging it showed some company I never heard of.
I phoned the bank. They confirmed the scam banks, and
I'm likely to get unlikely to get my money back,
you said the post. Whenever text asking for payment, please
be aware for a kind of you to tell us
about that. What I say to myself is could have
I fallen for that scam? Absolutely? I still could. I

(44:17):
still could because where I'd go is I think ge on,
I fell for the scams. When someone says, oh, you
know a secret pass, I think, oh, I'll get that.
That's something the A list has sent me something. But
it's just a scam. Two hundred Australia for three. We
are talking tonight about all sorts of things, but mainly

(44:39):
it's about ten years since the flag referend and what
did we learn And I'd say nothing apart from I'd
learn that designing a good flag is probably quite difficult,
and more difficult than that guy that designed hundreds of
them that weren't very good, Kyle Lockwood.

Speaker 19 (45:01):
YEP.

Speaker 3 (45:02):
So that's some of the stuff we are talking about.
If there's other stuff brilliant, that's what we want to
hear about tonight. And it's a Friday free for off.
Anything else you want to bang on about, you might
be you might be doing something interesting. Well, interesting is
always interesting from this point of view, and you might
be out driving, you might be driving up the country.

(45:23):
The other question was are there regional differences in drivers.
So far they've said awkwards don't indicate and Canterby people
are run red lights. I don't know if you want
to add to that discussion, but that would be I'd
enjoy that. And if you've been scammed, like crystals being scammed,

(45:46):
it seems to be a Black Friday one that, thank goodness,
that's over by the way. Black Friday didn't enjoy that
at all. Any who be across if you want to
be across, it bad the people coming here to steal geckos.
I also don't like how they say they're worth fourteen
thousand dollars because that wouldn't carriage others too, wouldn't it.
So that's a bit, that's a bit. It's it's suspect.

(46:10):
There is a large vegetation fire in the Utopedi Gorge.
I did hear fire engines going through the city tonight.
I was worried one of the trees had come down
in the city. It's a eucalyptus plantation. Three helicopters were
fighting not under control. Hello, Renee, this is Marcus. Welcome Marcus.

Speaker 4 (46:40):
How are you good?

Speaker 3 (46:40):
Thank you? Renee?

Speaker 9 (46:42):
Good good. You're just talking about plague just before you.

Speaker 12 (46:45):
On the phone.

Speaker 3 (46:46):
Yes, and last time we were talking about that too,
so we have discussed that. Yeah, no worries, drama.

Speaker 9 (46:54):
Yeah. The plague I would have liked to have seen
is the one with the silver fern, the big silver
fern and on the top part I think it was,
the top left corner from the fern was black and
the bottom corner was blue. Yes, yeah, yeah, that's the
one I voted for, And that's the one I would
have liked to have seen for the New Zealand flag
purely because black, because it's what our sports teams were like,

(47:15):
the all black, the black funs, SOCCERUS and all that.
When we're playing internationally, it's the black outfit. White and
the blue would have been yeah, well yeah, the all
white and the blue would have been because we're a
Pacific a sort of nations, so blue for the Pacific.
So yeah, that's that's the sort of scenario. The flag
I think we missed out on going for it. That's
that's the one I would have liked. And I see

(47:38):
it's John Key's flag that he actually would have liked
to have had, because honest, helicopter he's got that flag
on it.

Speaker 3 (47:44):
Yeah, where did it come.

Speaker 9 (47:49):
I don't honestly know. I don't know where it came
in in the midst of all the voting, to be honest.
It was a while ago, so I can't remember. But yeah,
I was. I was hoping that that one would have
made the top at least one of the top two,
because I know a lot of people didn't want to lose.

Speaker 3 (48:05):
The way weird because I'd forgotten about it, Renee. So
we had five options because they chucked red Peak in
there as well, And the most voted option was option E,
which was the same one, but it was red at
the top and blue rather than black and blue. And
your one was second, but narrowly, only by twenty one
thousand votes. So then option E, which was the red

(48:28):
and blue one with a silver fern, that went up
against our existing flag, and the result was fifty six
percent for the existing forty three percent for the alternate
and the alternate one.

Speaker 9 (48:43):
What was the color of the alternate one? Again, it
went up against the red one.

Speaker 14 (48:46):
Was Oh.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
Sorry, now I'm confused by this. Let me just have
a look at this. The results are primary ones. A
majority of voters go preferred for Kyle. Oh okay, this
is wrong on Wikipedia. No, I'm just looking at it.
There was a first preference and then a second preference,

(49:11):
so there was a bit of there was a bit
of yeah, voted for first and second preference, so that's right.
I didn't understand that. So after you took the second
preference into account, the most popular one was your one, right.

Speaker 9 (49:27):
Oh yeah, the black and blue one with yeah yeah,
and then.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
That went up against the existing flag, and the result
was the majority of people fifty six percent voted for
the existing flag that we've already that we that we
still have to this day.

Speaker 9 (49:42):
For the flag we've got down forty three twenty four
for the other one that I liked.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 9 (49:47):
Oh, so that was close. I didn't know that that
was a percentage. So it was close.

Speaker 3 (49:51):
Yeah, only six, only six provinces had a majority voting
for ovor the alternate. They have plenty Kluther South and
East Coast, Bays, Island, Selwyn and Tarmacha. I'm surprised about
that because I think Southend's quite conservative.

Speaker 9 (50:07):
Yeah, yeah, that's good to hear that the other ones
that want were for it.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
Yeah, I'm embarrassed about that.

Speaker 9 (50:15):
Yeah, I would have liked to think. I know, I
know a lot of people were. I think it probably
was the older generation. That's what the you know, they
went to water to fight for that flag. They actually
went to war to fight for our freedoms and everything.
Ouse that wasn't just a flag. It wasn't just under
the flag. It doesn't matter what the flag is, as
long as you know we're all it's still the same
country and everything like that. So yeah, I would have

(50:36):
liked it.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
Australia, Yeah, I always thought of we came up with
a flag that was an absolute showstopper, right and even
if it hadn't been voted because of just the way
the referendum was. I kind of thought because because anyone
can make flags on TIMU now, I thought it would
have been one that people had adopted. But that hasn't happened.
I haven't seen you all want you apart from John

(50:57):
Kin his helicopter, you're not flying. You're not flying? When
are you?

Speaker 2 (51:03):
No?

Speaker 9 (51:03):
I have thought about getting the flag Phole though, and
actually getting that flag to be honest as the pipe
dream at the moment.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
But hang on, did you say pipe dream? That's good? Yeah,
so yeah, so it's literally a pipe dream, isn't it.

Speaker 12 (51:21):
It is.

Speaker 9 (51:22):
It is a pipe dream exactly. And you know, i'd
have another flag. So when the Warriors a plane, I'd
fly their flag, and if the All Blacks are plane,
I'll fly their flag as well.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
But predominantly hang on, the got haven't got a flag?

Speaker 16 (51:34):
Have they?

Speaker 9 (51:35):
You can get an All Black, you can get an
All Backs flag. You can get one.

Speaker 3 (51:42):
So what does you say you'll be flying? You'll be
flying what was the Warriors? Your worries probably need to
be a flag?

Speaker 9 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, the legs, just the emblem of the yeah,
the masks of the mask, the multi face yeah yeah,
yeah that one. So yeah, I think you can find someone.
It's a couple on Elie Express and on trade me.
I'll saying that are quite good. Count can't exactly give
you the design of they are, but I can't remember
them off the top of my head. But there are
some alternative ones out there. But yeah, yeah, each because

(52:12):
I'm a league and a rugby fan.

Speaker 3 (52:14):
So the Warriors ms to make a fortune for merch
because people, the Warriors fans, they love a Warrior's jewsy,
don't they.

Speaker 9 (52:22):
When you go to Martin thet I've only been to
a few games out there, but every time I've gone
and you go walking through the stadium, we've got the
merch there and he's a fellow people buying it. So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
they must make a profit off that. Pretty well.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Nice to talk for they thanks so much for that.
Nine twenty two we are on the flag. I didn't
I didn't realize that it had that. The vote was
quite complicated, which is interesting, Marcus. Cantabrian drivers and masters
are driving along in the highway at ninety five, then

(52:59):
speed up to one oh five for the passing lane
or fast if they see someone trying to pass them,
and then drop back down to twenty ninety five against
once the passing is over. Unbelievably frustrating mark from Marpua. Marcus.
People tell me to drive like it's Sunday and they're
going to church like there's a rush hour when they're

(53:19):
only twenty nine people live there. Drives me mad, Marcus,
what frequence would we get? ZBI talk back within Thames.
Can you beg it back to them? Dan Marcus, My
problem with the flag debate debarcle is they should have
designed the pet and first decide it and then the colors,
because some had great colors and horrible shapes. Hi the

(53:44):
indured postgame is so true. I got the same email
about delivery, but the phone number was false. That's when
I clicked. I nearly fell for it too, Margaret's a
worldwide trait that BMW and Audi drivers do indicate stalk
on the wrong side question mark Gavin Canterbury Marcus was
a company called frang Wang or a similar names advertised

(54:06):
product you pay and they never get them. Could well
be fang Wang head on Midnight. We've got a scam topic,
two scams in the flag and the flawed process. But
it was ten years this time, ten years ago. If
you turned down to talk about anywhere around the world,

(54:29):
anywhere in New Zealand, they'll be discussing the flag and
they were full of misinformation about it as well. I
liked I was in favor of a new flag, but
I was in favor of the option. Sounds pretty fence
that he doesn't it, but that's the truth. Ruth three
four two nine. This is Marcus Shirley. Welcome to the airwaves.

(54:53):
Welcome to the show. Good evening.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
He's good evening, Marcus. I just tuned in and I
heard you talking about flags. That's right, which is a
real passion of mine. Great several months ago to tell you,
and I sent a photo that my husband designed his
own flag and that's our family flag now. But I've

(55:17):
got about forty five flags. I've got Rugby ones, and
Christmas ones and and Zac ones lest we forget all
of them. And also what I do is I find
out from my neighbors when their birthdays are, and I
write them in the diary, and on that certain day

(55:39):
I get also the nationality of them, and I fly
their flag.

Speaker 3 (55:43):
For them, anyone's birthday this weekend.

Speaker 6 (55:50):
No, no, why what flag should I be flying?

Speaker 3 (55:53):
I don't know. I'm just curious though, what's up there
at the moment.

Speaker 6 (55:57):
Oh, I've just I get it an every night, Yes,
I get them every night. But I've just I just
had the New Zealand flag up today. But I've also
got Christmas ones too.

Speaker 8 (56:06):
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I'm not familiar with the Christmas. Oh, it's merry Christmas.

Speaker 4 (56:10):
On you.

Speaker 11 (56:11):
I can't copy that Mary Christmas.

Speaker 6 (56:12):
And I've also got one that says welcome, and when
I'm having special people or visitors, I fly the welcome flag.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Now, your husband's name is Ellen. He's got a flag
that's like the Lockwood one with the with the silver
food on the angle. But there's a key we also
with it, just to go one extra, isn't it. That's right?

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Yeah, your memory is pretty good.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
Yeah, And I've got a very good memory, yep.

Speaker 6 (56:38):
And that gets flown any birthdays in our family. That
gets flowing.

Speaker 8 (56:46):
If we have a.

Speaker 6 (56:49):
Loss in the family or a friend, their freg gets flowing.
Their nationality at half mask. Well, of course our one
does too, So I'm very frag conscious and I love
it as a fag. About forty five now.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
Was it expensive for Ellen to get his flags made?

Speaker 6 (57:13):
Yes, we got it made in a place in Betony.
I think it was called flag Masters at several years ago,
and we got it made with the really good quality.
It was about four hundred dollars. When I got my
son's flags done for them, I got the cheaper version

(57:34):
and I think it was only about one hundred and something. Sure,
so you know you can get them and they're still
a jolly good flag.

Speaker 3 (57:42):
Great. Nice to hear from you again, Shirley. I appreciate that.
I just looked in the emails I searched, Shirley, and
flag and scams are back out there. There's a Black
Friday scam and drivers who are the worst? Well are
they regional driving differences? And what are they?

Speaker 17 (58:05):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (58:05):
Yes, other stuff you might want to bag on about tonight, Well,
the world, Jeroister really.

Speaker 17 (58:15):
M m.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
It is New Zealand. Jend All day, you got your
summer Jendle's planned.

Speaker 8 (58:24):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
I like those par or other ones, but I don't
think you get them anymore with the zigzags on the bottom.
Interesting the story about the seal that walked into the
bar in Richmond and Nelson, Now that's gone global for
New Zealand. That story the seal pup into the bar.

(58:46):
What is interesting about that is in the Washington Post
they've called the bar. They're referred to the bar as
a New Zealand beer pub. Hah, yeah, into New Zealand
beer pub.

Speaker 9 (59:02):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
I don't quite know what's gone on there, but that's
a good story. Chut seals. I don't know the full
ramifications of that. I think you're not sup I think
doc take a dim view if you actually hassle them.
They didn't keep it safe until until the rangers are
They released it on Rabbit Island dog free. They follow

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rivers and streams up to nine miles inland. There you go, Evans,
this is a good quote. He must be the unit
that owns the pub. Bella Evans. Bella Evans, who owned
the pub with a part of his a few months
said the baby first seal was the first Patrenches had
to evict. Great thing to say, but he said the

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animal name Fern by staff was welcome back. There's been
a running joke that we've got the seal of approval.
Well that would be a funny one, wouldn't it. Oh yeah,
that's the seal of approval. Great story. Great, what's the city?
What's the pub called the beer pub? Let's say the
the name of the joint?

Speaker 12 (01:00:07):
Does it?

Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
We better find out what the name of it is.
He's in in a beer pub head under the dush dishwasher,
which was swiftly unplugged all three at school. It's called
Sprig plus fern the meadows or a complicated name doesn't

(01:00:28):
make sense. Splig Sprig plus Fur in the Meadows. I
think it's a craft beer place. I don't know that.
I'm looking on the Facebook page. Now, Oh, they've got
on the Facebook page. They've got the seal on the
security cat camera foo, which is quite good. Get a

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burger they get. They seem to do giant chips. You
know these days you get giant chips like four to potato.
They've got. That's what they're big on. There's a quiz knight,
there's a garden bar. There's something called Haze of the People.
I don't know. That must be a bear thing, is it?
Speaking of beer? Watch out Tomorrow? Crap Day, that's it.
I don't know if that goes from string to strink.
I've had a lot of people talk about that in
South and I think it's quite big down here. So

(01:01:10):
if you kind of see people kind of wobble early,
that's the reason. I don't know how it working. You
drink a creter beer, it looks like they go well
with the sprig and for in the Meadows had a
good Halloween night. You got to mix up if you're
running a bar, don't you It's been half your time
on damned social media. I don't not know if it's
working or not doing Nacho's yep, just try and recoup

(01:01:34):
what old daughter off I was there. From the menu,
looks like they've got board games as well. You go
and play Setlers of Guitar and Wingspan, two of my
favorite board games. It was like a great pub. One
of the last people sold it. Anyway, good ending, Mike.
This is Marcus.

Speaker 4 (01:01:54):
Welcome Marcus Gay. Has been a long time since I've
heard you, and I'm glad I've turned the rady on tonight.

Speaker 3 (01:02:01):
I appreciate you. You're very good. Thank you, Mike.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
No, I meet you a couple of times ection you
were very nice to me. So well, I've been a
ring you say, good.

Speaker 12 (01:02:08):
It's been Where was that at christ.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
Shod A couple of seminars over the years. Yeah, yeah.
In fact, once I was playing the drums in a band,
and I'll even forget you waving goodbye to me. I
thought that was pretty nice. You may not remember that.
It's going back a while ago.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
How many years would that be?

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
It must be ten years ago, probably since you wave
goodbye to me when I was playing the drums that night.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
What would the venue have been or was it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
A seminar here in christ Reach upstairs somewhere a long
time ago. Bring the bills and bums and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
I got to give you a quick call about you
were talking. I'm just running home from a meeting and
I just here just talking about flags. Yes, I just
wanted to share. As a young fella, my dad as

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fisherman and from Nelson, and of course you're to you
had to learn all the different flags as part of
getting a skipper's ticket. They threw them all out in
pencil back in the day. I'm going back to the
Semnies and had to memorize all the flags. And I
don't know where it got a flag from. It was
probably off a fishing boat somewhere and he had this flag.
It was like an Australian who's in flag. I can't

(01:03:20):
remember exactly what it was, but as a young fella
asied about eight, I remember there was a massive lamp
post at the end of the driveway and I remembered
getting a lot of joy. I threw it like a
Texas stone to the end of a piece of string
and I screw it up over the top of the
lamp post and I used to hoist this flag. Were
all the way to the top of the lamp post,
and it was a big flag and it was quite

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windy up there at the top of wassing On Terrace
and Nelson.

Speaker 8 (01:03:43):
It was just a joy having the.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Flag, you know, flaring away there at the end of
the driveway. I thought it was quite an export thing
to do in my childhood, and I just thought there's
something about flags. I just sort of liked it.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
But I don't know the full purpose of flags for fishermen.
Were they to communicate to other vessels these status is
at the point of it.

Speaker 4 (01:04:04):
Maybe so I've never Yeah, I was only very young,
but I do remember there having to draw them all
out in pencil and all the different colors and memori
having to as part of getting his skippers ticket, has
to memorize them all, you know. Maybe this significance of
setting other ships at sea.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
Perhaps yes, be an ar kind old thing pre radar
or something pre walky talkie whatever they've got now.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Well they had radars back then, you know. But the
main reason I squording is but you're talking about scamming.
I'm recently, I'm at a ten year marriage and very
very happy. But I've decided to do the online dating thing.
And what I've discovered for a couple of applications is
the amount. And I've done a lot of research about
romance scammers.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
Oh yes, and.

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
These these people overseas. There must be call censors all
over the world, full of people that are their sole
purpose in life is to get onto a dating website,
put up fake photos, a fake profile, and try and
lure men into being attracted to you know. They photos
from people's social media profiles and they make up you know,

(01:05:10):
they fabricate these these lovely women as a dating profile.
And one thing I've found very very helpful and anybody
can use. Everyone would probably have heard of chat gpt, right,
which is AI. I've been been into AI for quite
a while. I use it in business and that, and

(01:05:31):
it's very very helpful. But I just screenshot a profile
and I've run it through I uploaded to chat gpt,
and it tells me whether it's a scam or not.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
Okay, didn't know that. Okay, it's very clever. So they
will look at they will look at the photo and
compare that with a bio will they they will, and.

Speaker 4 (01:05:48):
You can they'll you know, they know the wording that
these scammers used. They sure they you know, they just
it identifies with it. Now, AI isn't always right, but
it's very very close, and it's look the particular.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
You'd be better off getting someone in your area, though,
wouldn't you rather than someone from the Ukraine?

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
Well, well, this is right. I mean, you hope that
somebody is. I'm a dad of two young kids. I've
also got a thirty one year old, but I've got
a ten year old and a seven year old, so
they're in my care. So I kind of don't get
out to bars, and I don't get out into a
lot of socialized because my life is very very busy.
So I thought i'd shop from home.

Speaker 7 (01:06:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:06:26):
It was a bit of fun. But I haven't any
dates yet. But I've just got onto this and I'm
just wasting my time because probably about eighty percent ninety
percent happened just scammers. It's just insane how rife they are,
and it's the numbers going for them and there are
innocent people out there getting totally ripped. But just my
point is AI is very very helpful when it comes
to identifying scams. If you get an email or if

(01:06:48):
you get you know, you see something online, you can
screenshot uploaded to chat GPT and it knows it will
give you a really good rundown about and a good indication.
It's not always right, but I've found it very very helpful,
you know, and I just I've let the people know
that perhaps that'll be a good idea if you're not
sure about something. If you see an email come in
or whatever from the bank, you can screenshot it and
you can upload it to AI and it will give

(01:07:10):
you a full run down and just give you good
indications whether it's a scam or not.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Nice. You're nice to hear from you, Mike. Thanks, thanks
very much. They're good to hear from you. Appreciate that call.
Good advice. Eighteen Nice to hear from you too. Eighteen
to ten. Yeah, the old romance scams there you go, Yeah, Shivers.
Do you think the first thing to do is just
sort of just counting when it's overseas? Maybe they don't
say that, Marcus the man that has been on the

(01:07:37):
dating sites, when of these women these dating sites are traffic,
they've been lured into other countries, then have their passports
taken and forced to work for the traffic as depths.
That's my understanding too, and not just in romance scams.
Also in all forms of scams, they often are they're
with not their own agency or their will to leave.

(01:07:58):
It's pretty depressing, isn't it. And then of course people
are abusing them because they're doing scams. I don't know
what the other option is, but yeah, thanks for that.
DIBs welcome people. If you want to talk on air,
ten years since the flag referendum, how are you feeling
about that? You want another go around or do you

(01:08:20):
want to say anything about that? Do you feel better
about our flag now? It's been ten years for it
to kind of percolate and now you feel okay about it?
I like the guy that said it was quite hard
to draw because it's hard to draw a five. Yeah,
it's hard to draw a flag sometimes. Well I don't
know why kids need to draw it. But what was interesting.

(01:08:40):
I've forgotten how we voted for them because it was
Challenger versus, but that was rever interesting. How we voted
for them was much more complicated than needed be. If
they kind of read the system, they would have got
the one they wanted. There was a shortlist that was
knocked down to four and then they included Red Peak.

(01:09:03):
Then the first referendum was on the twenty of November
twenty fifteen and it closed on the eleventh of December,
and it was a preferential voting system. It asked voters
to rank the five shortlisted flag al turners in order
of preference, so the winner under this method would contend
with the current national flag and a second referendum. Opponents

(01:09:27):
of flag change encouraged members of the public to abstain
from voting, render the voting paper invalid, or strategically vote
for the worst alternative as a protest. But the most
voted for after all the iterations was the one that
was blue and black, and the worst one was Option Sea,
which was just the black and white kodu that no

(01:09:50):
one much wanted. And Red Peak was the late includer
that came through. Third. Yep, very complicated, and you do
get a breakdown from region who wanted one, who wanted
them the other one. It was the area found Mangari
in the airport was the strongest one that wanted the

(01:10:13):
old flag retained. I hope I've got that right. Either
it was that or the opposite and Cluther South and
was very much in favor of change, but inver Cargo wasn't. Yeah,
I've got that right, unpleased. So justus enough. It was
rural areas, it was South and Kluther Canterbury and they
have plenty that wanted change. We've got the thing that

(01:10:37):
we got that lost in the discussion. Marc's I got
a call to away from Australia saying they'd been charges
on my visa. I don't own a visa yet. I
hung up at that point. Now, anything else you want
to mention? By the way, very strong ones coming up
the country, so that we could there's trees down and

(01:10:59):
there'll be more trees down.

Speaker 16 (01:11:00):
I think.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Free Windy.

Speaker 8 (01:11:06):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
And the Australia Under sixteen social media band seems to
be working with both TikTok, which is the Chinese owned one,
and also Facebook and Instagram, which is owned by Meta
have started to agree and I think it's up to
them to do what they can to not have under
sixteen year olds on their platform. So it seems to

(01:11:31):
be working.

Speaker 17 (01:11:34):
Ah.

Speaker 3 (01:11:35):
It's Tea the cricket, that's the situation, that's what's happening,
and not Tea for us, though, is it? There was
a scam text there was a scam is down Facebook.
It was from Bunnings saying they had these garden bench
seats left over from last year for only five dollars,
but be quick. The commentarial positive from customers who received them.
I rang Bunnings, they said scam and looked too good

(01:11:57):
to be trud as you. But where's the scam? How
would they make money out of that? That's what I
don't know. So there's that and regional differences with people's
bad driving answers to that. Hurrah and the seal, the
baby seal. You might have had some experience with a
baby seal coming into a bar. Let's be hearing from

(01:12:20):
you about that also tonight. It's a situation here till
twelve back in a bit. Hi, Brenda, this is Marcus.

Speaker 8 (01:12:28):
Welcome, good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 20 (01:12:30):
I just wanted to bring to light a different scam.
It's off on our Facebook and it will say it's
with great regret that we're closing our family business after
twenty five years, and it will be jigal puzzles might
be watches or I think there's one for bag something
and the guy on YouTube was explaining what it is.

(01:12:52):
He said, he went and bought the product and he
found out that it's on TMU, so like he did
a reverse search of the images and then he found
them ons like the five dollar watch in this fifty
or something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
So they're just so it's just they're just selling something
buy a TEAMU, but make for a lot more money.

Speaker 8 (01:13:14):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Yeah, it's quite a good scare, yep.

Speaker 20 (01:13:17):
But I often say, oh, we're closing down, so it
is looking quite genuine. But once you've seen a few
of them, you have to realize it's.

Speaker 3 (01:13:23):
Not so how much they charge. How much they're charging
for the watches.

Speaker 20 (01:13:28):
I can't remember exactly, but say it was twenty five
or fifty dollars. And then he contacted them and said, oh,
I found this on t.

Speaker 3 (01:13:36):
Okay. That's quite interesting. Oh thanks for warning us about that, Brenda,
that's what i'd for. No, I that's what I'm full for.
I'm not in the market for that.

Speaker 19 (01:13:48):
For a watch.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Now, if you want to be a touch with anything
else that you want to talk about after the news
of before, I can handle before. Now he sport onsighte
appears to be the cricket I'll keep you updated with
about the evening.

Speaker 8 (01:14:02):
For that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:04):
You agree to pay the five dollars for the garden
seat and they take out as much when as they
want from your bank account.

Speaker 12 (01:14:10):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:14:10):
I see you give them your bank account number. Oh
that's bad. Okay, I see how the scam works. Now
it's all becoming patently clear.

Speaker 8 (01:14:18):
Yep.

Speaker 3 (01:14:20):
It feels very much to send, but doesn't it. Gosh,
we're in the guts of it now. Do you know
what's going to be on TV Christmas Day yet?

Speaker 17 (01:14:24):
Dan?

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
What's BBC got? What they've got in England Christmas specials
of all their comedies and dramas keep going. Game shows
probably be the chastened. They love a Christmas special in
the UK, don't they? And the King's speech will be
at three o'clock. Oh hello people. Oh it's hope as
Fountain Penworks won't be mentioning Andrew. Will he here?

Speaker 12 (01:14:48):
There we go?

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I think it's pre recorded. I think he does it live.
Don't the Queen ever did that live?

Speaker 12 (01:14:54):
Either?

Speaker 3 (01:14:54):
By the way, when's just sinder on Graham Norton next Friday?
Not this Friday? For those that have been texting to
find out next Friday, there you go, you're up to
date here till twelve o'clock. People of New Zealand talked
after the news. You know the drill. Let's be hearing

(01:15:15):
from you, oh eight hundred, you know the respect of it.
So i'll kind of re explain my setup for the
topic tonight. And it's just one of the topics. But
it is ten years ten years ago today we're awaiting
the results of the first referendum for the flag and

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then I think the conclusion was about January or February,
and that's when it happened. Everyone was red disappointed they
didn't get a change. So that's the situation. And you
might have something you want to say about that, because
ten years on, people's hurt and anger is subsidon. But

(01:16:06):
what do you reckon? You got to say, flawed process,
gain idea, We gave it a go, didn't achieve much,
did it. That was the trouble. And if they'd kind
of worked it out better, if they'd come up with
one banger, they could have got it through. With a
failure of vision and a failure of design and a
failure of execution. In my opinion, we're also talking about

(01:16:34):
regional variations with driving in this country. Aucklands don't indicate
christ Church run red lights? Is that the fact? Or
is there something else some other subtleties. It's right about
but get in touch Hitt on midnight. Yes, so eight

(01:16:59):
hundred and eighty. If there's something entirely different. You want
to talk about good free, bad bushfires in Australia, particularly
bad in Tasmania. Didn't know that, but that was a
place they had bushfires. But I guess it's dry and
windy if you're driving. You've got any reports for me

(01:17:21):
on your driving, do let me.

Speaker 12 (01:17:22):
Know what that is.

Speaker 3 (01:17:24):
There are trees down, so be cautious out there. You
might want to talk about seals. Have you ever had
a interaction with a seal? They go nine miles sixteen
kays in land, so yeah, we go. You might want
to say something about that also, but yeah, all the

(01:17:45):
lines are available, all your chances to talk are there tonight.
I'd love to hear from you. Just go so holler,
get your sorted out the flag and seals and driving.
You might have something Christmas related to that's always good,
was not always good as Goska this the year and

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scams a little bit. It's scam season. I think can't
promise you that, Alistair. It's Marcus Welcome.

Speaker 21 (01:18:23):
Hello Marcus. I'm talking about the New Zella flag. John
Key had been overseas for many years and he wanted
a change of the flag. But I personally think he
didn't take into account the number of English people in

(01:18:45):
New Zealan. Now there's hundreds of thousands.

Speaker 3 (01:18:50):
I don't know whether you could say that that English
migrants would necessarily want the old flag though, would you
think that or would you think they would.

Speaker 14 (01:19:00):
Say that?

Speaker 16 (01:19:00):
Again?

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Did you think that migrants from England would particularly want
the old flag to remain?

Speaker 21 (01:19:08):
I think so, kay.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
I would have thought if it'd come that way, maybe
there were sorts of people that would embrace change.

Speaker 21 (01:19:16):
Well, I had to say MENI news Randers wondered, I
show a foon, I think, and an area of black
on the flag. But it didn't work out that way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:32):
Do you remember what you voted for?

Speaker 21 (01:19:35):
No, too long ago.

Speaker 3 (01:19:36):
Too long ago. Most of us have blocked it out.
Thank you, Alistair, Good evening, Margaret. This is Marcus welcome.
Thank you for that pleasure.

Speaker 22 (01:19:45):
I've got to weveme here about keeping the flag.

Speaker 3 (01:19:50):
I think it sounds a fantastic Have you written it yourself? Sorry,
have you written it yourself?

Speaker 22 (01:19:57):
No notice by a non you know, one of those
and nons. But it's quite I think it's quite good
and says our flag. There's the stars that plays at night,
and our southern skies are blue, and a little old
flag in the corner. That's part of our heritage too.
It's for the English to Scots and the Irish who
went to ascent to the end of the earth, the

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rogues and the schemers, the doers and dreamers who gave
in said it's first, and you who are shouting to
change it. You don't seem to understand. It's the flag,
our law and our language, not the flag of a
far away land. It doesn't mean we are allegiance to
have forgotten imperial dream. We're the stars to show where

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we're going, and the old flag to show where we've been.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
How about that?

Speaker 16 (01:20:45):
Right?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Would have preferred whales to be mentioned? And there does
mention the Welsh doesn't.

Speaker 22 (01:20:51):
Well, that's what I want to see.

Speaker 3 (01:20:52):
I've got Yeah, very good. I appreciate that. I appreciate
every well read too, Margaret, thank you for that. Where
we're going? Where we've been I was interested in nothing
wrong with flag. I can't believe how heated it was.
The abay That's what got me going. Boy. People were

(01:21:14):
up upper arms about it.

Speaker 7 (01:21:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:21:20):
Almost came to blows hello Thomas, Yeah, hey.

Speaker 14 (01:21:28):
God de Schumarcus, how are you today?

Speaker 8 (01:21:30):
Good?

Speaker 3 (01:21:30):
Thanks Thomas.

Speaker 14 (01:21:32):
Good festival. Regarding the seals and then the flack, just
a couple of things regarding that seals in Anctartic, there's
a seal called leopard seal because got spots like the
leopard and it hunts penguins and that's what it needs.
Those are documentally became friends with this diver and wasn't

(01:21:55):
even bringing dead penguins to him and.

Speaker 9 (01:21:58):
Stuff like that.

Speaker 14 (01:21:59):
They're very big seals, the leopard seal.

Speaker 3 (01:22:03):
Yeah, the real the real penguin munches. They have seen
them go with the penguins.

Speaker 6 (01:22:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (01:22:09):
They don't eat the fish, they they they eat the penguins.
That's correct. Regarding the flag, you know a roller land
of the white long white cloud. Ah, how to say this?

(01:22:31):
Uh New Zealand been colonized by the British being in
being uh colonized, being attacked. You know, Maori people slotted
from the guns with the soldiers and all that. And
to me, the flag is a sovereign flag of the
Maori people. That's how it should be. And it should

(01:22:54):
be governed by the Maori people, self larian, self independent,
like registration for the cars that goes money for the government,
registation for dogs, this and that. Water should be three,
power should be free and houses that because it blows
to the Maori people. It should be governed by the
Maori people. Possible to say, you know, it's it's, it's

(01:23:18):
it's it should be a republic, not our control by
the queen, and the money goes to queen.

Speaker 4 (01:23:24):
So that's on me.

Speaker 14 (01:23:25):
Good evening, and thank you very much. That's my opinion.

Speaker 3 (01:23:28):
So please to talk to Thomas. Thank you for that.
Oh eight hundred and eighty nine. The text the flag, Yep,
the flag was John Key's idea fell on this face
with that one honestly waste of dollars. The laser Key

(01:23:51):
with flag would have been the way to go for
the change flag John key vanity project. Someone more respected
called a referendum. Then Change might have had a show.
David Terredale, you still, I guess there was a sense
that it sort of spent, it'd gone overseas, chased the dollar,
and I guess there was sense and it made money.
Then k beeca want to change things that probably you

(01:24:12):
don't think. Keywys respond that well to someone that sort
of got out, you know, for better options, then came
back and sort of said this is what you need
to do with your flag. Yeah, I agree. Seals on
the Cakulda coast would sometimes bask on the railway tracks.
Thank you, be in touch if you want to partake
three four two four three Green on twenty six, Smith

(01:24:34):
on thirty five. Once again they're looking at the ball
and putting it through the hoop. This is the cricket
at the Gabba, Gabba, Gabba. Hay, he'll twelve be a
part of it. Aw eight one hundred and eighty ten eighty.
It has been hydrama the cricket. They've brought the ball
out and it wouldn't pass through the hoop. Therefore, they've

(01:24:56):
got a briefcase of other sevenly warn balls out and
they've grabbed one of those. Then they've made a mark
in the current bulls that can no longer be used.
So the ball has changed. I don't know why the
balls are getting hit out of shape so often. I
don't know what that's about. No one knows. We're talking

(01:25:19):
the flag ten years old. How do you feel? And
I don't feel bad at all. I quite like the process.
It was a bit of a laugh and ultimately a
waste of time could have gone the other way didn't,
which I think is pretty interesting. That's what we are
talking about tonight. I'll care if there's gootny wickets. Good evening, jan.

(01:25:48):
This is Marcus Welcomes.

Speaker 23 (01:25:53):
You mentioned scams, and yesterday I had in the oh wow, yeah,
because I rank here, we think two loads and more
me onto my MasterCard. And normally I just go to
phone banking. But the automatic voice, computer voice or AI

(01:26:19):
or whatever it was comes through and instead of letting
me go straight through to phone banking, it didn't give
me that option. Already I had an alarm going off
in my head, and it said, what did I want
to speak to the customer service person about? And so

(01:26:43):
you have to give them some sort of idea and
for what you're ringing for, but I didn't want the
customer service person and anyway, then it said can you
say or key in your ID number? And I thought, oh, well,

(01:27:05):
I'll just dial in my ID number excess number, and
then it said can you say or key in your
PIN number?

Speaker 11 (01:27:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 23 (01:27:18):
I thought, wow, that was a close call, and I
hung up, and I thought, I hope no one has
fallen for it, because you know, are so uply. People
were just obey orders. We just go along with it
and are not sort of automatic, and we can get

(01:27:40):
caught out that very easily.

Speaker 3 (01:27:42):
Had you had you rung the bank, yeah, to do
own bank. I think that. I don't think that was
a jen I don't think that was a scam. I
think that was just how they do business.

Speaker 23 (01:27:54):
No, it isn't market I think, so it's definitely not.
They never ever asked for you to say you're.

Speaker 3 (01:28:03):
Never ask you if they asked to bang it in though,
don't they.

Speaker 23 (01:28:09):
You type it in, you know, punch the numbers, but
you never say it out loud.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
But if you would be unlikely that the bank's phone
line had been kidnapped, I think it had.

Speaker 23 (01:28:24):
They're having a lot of trouble at Kiwi Bank, a
lot of scamming happening, and people are losing loads of
money to nature, okay, and so I very nearly got
caught out here. And I'll just say too about the
flag while you're at it. I disagree with changing anything

(01:28:46):
great because if you change the flag, then you change
the name of the country, then you change the language,
then you change the culture, and like that previous call
it dead, then you give all power and control to
the Maori people. I'm against it totally.

Speaker 16 (01:29:09):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:29:10):
Does it worry you that your psycha didn't realize you're
about to get scammed?

Speaker 23 (01:29:19):
One day, I'll explain things to you that we never
have time, so you'd better get on to your next career.

Speaker 3 (01:29:28):
Well, you have re evasive with your psychic ability. It
seems to come and go, no slip here all the time.

Speaker 23 (01:29:37):
My people on the other side are telling me stuff
all the time, especially about you.

Speaker 3 (01:29:42):
When I'm talking to you, must be exhausted. What are
I telling you about me?

Speaker 23 (01:29:47):
Well, I've had your grandfather come through really always. Yes,
it's your father's father, wow. And a long time ago
he's the one who told me where your keys were
when you lost them. And a long time there, maybe
a year or two, he came through saying he was

(01:30:09):
concerned about your sons, that he was being bullied at school.
But I think you've resolved that problem. Now, according to him,
that he is watching over you and he's with you
all the time, very strongly.

Speaker 3 (01:30:26):
Oh, very good, brilliant he was. He was always vaguely distant.
That's good to hear. Jan, Thanks very much for that.
There we go, I asked, and I've been answered. Cheapers.
By the way, don't think she got scammed?

Speaker 4 (01:30:41):
Do you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:41):
I think they were just standing up praying procedure, wasn't it?

Speaker 24 (01:30:48):
Some of is this?

Speaker 3 (01:30:49):
John Key wasted text money twice on, once on the flag,
once on the anti Smecking reference. I can't remember if
that was how that unfolded. Actually I just checked that
one out. Twenty six past ten.

Speaker 12 (01:31:04):
Evening.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Dean ats Marcus.

Speaker 19 (01:31:05):
Welcome, Hey Marcus, So what's what's the deal about the flag?

Speaker 3 (01:31:12):
It was ten years ago at this time that we
were actually voting for what we wanted.

Speaker 12 (01:31:18):
What did you want? Marcus?

Speaker 3 (01:31:20):
I wanted a new flag, but all the ones we
had to vote from were terrible designs.

Speaker 11 (01:31:27):
Really, you want a new flag from my mother England?

Speaker 3 (01:31:30):
I wanted a new flag, not the one we've got.

Speaker 10 (01:31:34):
Really, So you would you.

Speaker 8 (01:31:37):
The British flag?

Speaker 3 (01:31:39):
Oh yeah, absolutely, but not for any of those I've
seen that three times now.

Speaker 19 (01:31:43):
Dean, Well, I've only just chuned in market.

Speaker 3 (01:31:47):
I've I've seen it three times to you when you've
said really three times?

Speaker 14 (01:31:51):
Yes, yes, Yeah, she's a bit of a tough one.

Speaker 8 (01:31:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 11 (01:32:00):
I could agree with you, but I couldn't disagree with you.

Speaker 3 (01:32:03):
Okay, okay, Dean, thank you. The Kiwi Bank system is genuine.
The voices now automatic. Earlier, Kiwi Bank had said a
text advising of change mark Ashu are correct. Keegan has
been around a while. That's the worry with people being
so paranoid that even normal things they no longer do
because I think it's a scam like phone banking. So

(01:32:25):
Pearl Jan, I don't want you made money on a
master card for but' pfuably going to be driving this
daisy into the bank now to do it, Richard said,
and picked the current flag himself, not through a referendum
in nineteen oh two, Old King Dick, there you go,

(01:32:46):
that's happened. The thing was, it was quite a big
learning curvet to learn about flags. When we had the
all this, everyone was a flag expert, but instead we
got nothing, maybe a long time before we get another one.
So it was ten years years ago, and already people

(01:33:07):
get freak out when you talk about the flag three
foot two four seven in the cricket. So it appears
not to be a scam at that bank that Jan
was not dialing in for. So yeah, I don't know. Yeah,
I don't know what to say to people. If she
thinks she's avoided scam, then that's making that. If that's

(01:33:29):
her jam, that's fine, I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:33:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:33:32):
Now if you want to be on air, that would
be the hang of it for the final go round tonight.
Every easy session from this end quite enjoyed this. Now
you might want to check on a new topic, and
I embrace that the more the merria. But and if
there's some thing that's crystallized in your mind over the
last ten years about the flag, what I think happened

(01:33:55):
is when you had to submit the flag, it was
all sort of a computer design. None of them were
designed properly. They need to go through another stage to
actually finagle them a bit more, because they look they
didn't look like their computers, aren't They didn't look like
whickbix packets. That's my thoughts. Oh yep. Now twenty seven

(01:34:17):
to eleven is the time jim Steen will be along
at twelve. But yeah, measles at the concert. That's bad,
isn't it? Because no one wants measles going into Christmas.
There'd be a Christmas record, wouldn't it. Here the Measles

(01:34:39):
with people traveling on the inter islander and stuff. Good evening, Dave,
This is Marcus. Welcome, Hi Magus.

Speaker 15 (01:34:51):
The scheme Department. The first one I had was I
had a suber taxi to go across the high chute
and lovely lady, Yeah, we got there all right. I
think I paid twenty six dollars or something. But then
when I looked at the vext day and my security

(01:35:13):
come up there with eighteen dollars sixty four, And so
I've been communicating with him and just going back and forth,
back and forth.

Speaker 4 (01:35:22):
So I ended up my.

Speaker 15 (01:35:24):
Going to my feet to the fraud department, and they're
going to sort it out anyway. So and the next
one was today something Jger was going through PayPal trying
to get five hundred and something leven dollars out of
me from McAfee indivirus going.

Speaker 3 (01:35:45):
To get out what did you say, totally get mone
out of you for what?

Speaker 13 (01:35:48):
Sorry?

Speaker 15 (01:35:49):
Quest for mccaffee for the indyvirus. Will think me a community?

Speaker 3 (01:35:54):
Oh yeah, understand? Yeah sure, yeah yeah, And if.

Speaker 15 (01:35:58):
You didn't want time of thing, you ring an alkin number.

Speaker 4 (01:36:00):
But so soon as you start doing that, they.

Speaker 15 (01:36:03):
Get into and then so what I did the last time,
and then a few years ago I decided to PayPal
and let.

Speaker 2 (01:36:11):
Them sort of in.

Speaker 3 (01:36:13):
How would have you how would have the uber managed
to use that for a Lime scooter?

Speaker 4 (01:36:21):
I don't know.

Speaker 15 (01:36:21):
I think they're they're connected with the same I think
they're owed by the same outputs. But how they got
my fat number of email address and.

Speaker 3 (01:36:33):
Everything, I don't know, because I would have thought the
ubers were owner operat and the Lime scooter was a business.

Speaker 8 (01:36:43):
Yeah yeah, I thought so too.

Speaker 15 (01:36:44):
Yeah, but we'll see what happens. They reckon. It's going
to take a few days when before they bank's going
to recutt it anyway, I think.

Speaker 3 (01:36:53):
Do they think they could resolve it?

Speaker 15 (01:36:56):
Yes, I think so, they'll they'll get it out of
the Lime scooters anyway. But they kept telling me that
they didn't have my email address, that their system, I say,
because you're scared me. I've never ever asked for any
long computy. I'm nearly eighty, and I'll tell you what
I wouldn't be on one anyway that would fall up acrostomers.

Speaker 3 (01:37:18):
Not to hear from you. Dave sounding Young twenty four
to eleven, twenty two to eleven. How's your week? One people?
Have you got anything important that's happening that you need
to tell me about? Any problems with your Christmas shopping?
You navigated your Have you navigated your secret center? How

(01:37:44):
many times have you regifted? The box of favorite chocolates
you've been given? Seems to you? What's happening? Have you
brought gifts for your children's teachers? I had good reports
today from the teachers, well some of it I don't understand.
I like them when they make a lot of comments.
That's what you want, isn't it. You want a lot

(01:38:07):
of comments. I think that's great, very good report. So
happy with that. I think the Actually I think i'm
the elder boys finished school and the young one finishes
on Wednesday. I think it is, so yeah, he's excited
about that. I forgot to say happy in a school
to the older one. So yeah, I don't know what's
happened there, that's right. It must be the end of term.

(01:38:30):
It seems early, doesn't it. What is that I thought
they're going to end about the sixteenth. It seems very early,
fifth or September. And it's good. We've got plenty to
do in the holidays.

Speaker 7 (01:38:43):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:38:44):
If you want to talk about any of these things tonight,
as you can probably understand, the lines are available, so
be a part of it. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty
and nine two detect anything else you want to talk about. Good,
I can handle that. Just get in touch the flag.

(01:39:05):
You got me great flag things to say. I'm able
to ring right now. But I had a close encounter
with a sea lion on Saint Clair Beach through no
fight of my owners. It came out of the water
behind me in the shallows. I was always looking out
for them very carefully because I had a large German
ship at the time, was reconscious keeping my distance as

(01:39:26):
they are so well disguised in the sand, and I
had only ever seen them before. Basking in the sun
up the beach was a herring experience. I fell down
the stand in front of it out of terror and
also having recently had a car accent with a damaged tailbone.
I couldn't move quickly. It sort of hovered over me
before I cried out for help and someone grabbed my
arm and dragged me away. It quickly went chasing other

(01:39:48):
people up the beach, and my girlfriend said I was
white with fear. I rang doctor or olay what had happened.
I was told, they'm more curious and playful than anything,
and don't jimmy attack people with a don't run, which, however,
don't run, which of course is what I wanted to
do at the all this say was a terrifying a count.
It was a young male known of them from Stuart Island,

(01:40:08):
as the dock ranger knows most of them. Seals can
be super dangerous to humans, particularly the leopard seal. Have
a great night, Cindy. There is a fire in christ
Church near Templeton. It looks like it's hard to know

(01:40:30):
what it is actually maybe scrub and buildings, just some
eyewitness camera that's been posted. You know, thing more about that?
Do let me know, Do let us know. You know
the drill. It's eighteen to eleven and it would be
good to hear from you, But yes, if you've got

(01:40:53):
other stuff you want to talk about tonight well, any
of those topics, but the flag is the main one
because I kind of thought there was such a big
media event the referendum. I mean it was talk about gold.
People loved it on talkback. Everyone was an expert. Now
I'm looking at the comments from the person that's posted
about the fire might be the railway track, although from

(01:41:21):
the comments it's just people alerting other people. It's hard
to know what's on fire. From those comments. Someone said
they can't understand why there's not a total fire band. Well,
it's going to be every Bernie summer. I would think, no,
it's not a word Bernie summer. But it seems as
though the country is tinder dry with strong winds. But
there's very strong winds coming up the country. Oh now,

(01:41:50):
Corsica flag rocks. Andy got a part of these T
shirts with the honest people, real cotton, handmade New Zealand
Royal Navy flag, white and red cross, just pure English.
What does this mean? Maybe Jenna's psychic. She wasn't aware
she was being scammed because she actually wasn't being scammed. Well,

(01:42:13):
that's a bit hard for me to understand. Oh, so
you do come through blowing like a motherless child and sorry,
blowing like a fatherless child in Alexandra. I wonder which
I'll still be coming from the west day down that

(01:42:34):
valley over the hills. Marcus, I'm still trying to figure
out how Jan thinks it's a scam. If she rang them,
that's right, that's where people's thinking goes. And if people
think they are scan when they ring people, then we're
in for a problem because you got to hijack the
phone network, Marcus. The far at tempton Chrostchich was hours ago,
though it's dark, and the shots it wasn't dark that

(01:42:55):
long ago. Also, Jan, if she was psychic, did it
not occurred to her? If she did not put her
pin number, then she cannot access her bank account.

Speaker 4 (01:43:03):
Duh.

Speaker 3 (01:43:04):
Let's not be too hard on psychic people, though sometimes
it's a heavy cross to beer with me with my
fish and Chip experience is we don't ask for these powers.
We've been chosen and yeah, and that's fine, but responsibly

(01:43:27):
coming up, I use mine for good. I guess so
does Jen. Ostensibly fourteen to eleven, it'll turn, it'll get
twelve away from eleven. Hello, Michelle, nice to hear from you.
This is Marcus welcome to the air waves.

Speaker 16 (01:43:48):
Thank you so much.

Speaker 24 (01:43:50):
The first thing I wanted to say was there's a
guy called David Ike who I think got hustled on
Google a while ago and is set up his own platform,
and he said that, you know, when you start to
understand what's going on in the world, when you've been

(01:44:12):
educated with it, you start to recognize things that other
people don't recognize. Once you understand it the way it works,
you recognize stuff. And when the Flag as You came out,
I feel like I feeling much recognize things a fair

(01:44:33):
bit because I spent three years on the internet researching,
and so I've got a few idea of what goes on.
And when that Flag Asue came out, my feeling was
and it still is. And I haven't heard anyone else
say this, but this is what I think.

Speaker 19 (01:44:51):
I think that.

Speaker 24 (01:44:55):
A new flag was being introduced because it takes the
culture away from the country, and when you've got heaps
of immigrants been brought in at the same time, it's
making the whole deal multi cultural and which is leading
I think to New World Order slash.

Speaker 16 (01:45:18):
Once upon a time they called it one world government.
If you if you want the world to be one.

Speaker 24 (01:45:24):
You take away the culture, you introduce the immigrants, and
it's multi mixed, and you've lost your country.

Speaker 16 (01:45:32):
That's what I think was going on with Flag.

Speaker 3 (01:45:35):
The second thing is, Michelle, thanks for doing the research
for us for those three years. How did you vote?

Speaker 16 (01:45:44):
I had to tell you the truth don't have a
lot to do with politics.

Speaker 3 (01:45:50):
I you didn't vote.

Speaker 24 (01:45:54):
No, I voted, but I really just did it off
the back of what a friend suggested.

Speaker 16 (01:46:00):
I don't take I haven't taken that much notice in politics.

Speaker 3 (01:46:03):
No, I'm talking about I'm talking about the flag referendum.
Which did you vote as the one to choose to
go against our flag?

Speaker 8 (01:46:11):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:46:12):
I'm not I can't remember now whether I voted or not.
I was into keeping. I just sat back and watched
and I just that was just the feeling that I
had of what was going on.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
Voted, Michelle. If there was a lot more cultures coming
to New Zealand, which has nothing to do with the flag,
wouldn't that make the country more multicultural?

Speaker 16 (01:46:37):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 24 (01:46:39):
It turns you you bring enough immigrants in and it
completely changes the dynamic. We're not just New Zealand as anymore.
It is just a multiculture. And when you take that
flag away, you are really taking away our original culture.
I think that's what it was about.

Speaker 3 (01:46:58):
So when we talk about the original culture, we're talking
about pre European Yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely, the multiculture.

Speaker 24 (01:47:07):
Yeah, both both as regular New Zealanders and the moldiest Yeah,
that culture.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
Who are the regular New Zealanders?

Speaker 23 (01:47:17):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:47:17):
New Zealand Europeans? Okay, kiwi's kiwi's anyone.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
I think anyone that comes here has the right to
call themselves a kiwi.

Speaker 24 (01:47:26):
Well, they can if they want, but normally, if they've
come from overseas, you know, they'll be immigrants. You know,
they can settle in if they want. But I'm talking
about the people from back, you know, seventies eight. I'm
talking way back, the original New Zealanders.

Speaker 8 (01:47:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:47:44):
And are you like a.

Speaker 3 (01:47:50):
How are you on cell phone towers?

Speaker 17 (01:47:53):
Oh?

Speaker 16 (01:47:54):
Do you recognize who I am?

Speaker 4 (01:47:56):
No?

Speaker 12 (01:47:57):
Oh?

Speaker 24 (01:47:58):
Well, because it was one of one of the things
I was going to say to you. I talked to
you a wee while ago, and I was telling I
was saying to you that you know how we're going
to lose three g at the end of March. Next
year and how it's going to be an absolute problem
to me because I can't handle four G well.

Speaker 16 (01:48:20):
Little. I just can't even be near it and I
can't be needed for Are you near it now?

Speaker 24 (01:48:27):
You can't get away from it? And I'm struggling. There's
some places use than others.

Speaker 16 (01:48:33):
But I lost my phone.

Speaker 24 (01:48:36):
I spent a lot of effort and time getting I
ended up with the last cell phone in New Zealand
that wasn't a four G phone. It was just one
of the standard it was wasn't a smartphone, and I
ended up something happened to it. I hadn't had it
very long, and I'm now borrowing of friends in the

(01:48:57):
meantime of it's still I've got it down the street.
It is, but it's smart and anything art is far stronger,
and I'm absolutely struggling with it. There is a European
phone called Moody Tar and are very elusive and hard
to get hold of. H M U D I t

(01:49:22):
A if I remember rightly, and I am absolutely striving.
I'm going to have to strive to get one because
this phone I'm sitting on right now does not work
for me at all.

Speaker 3 (01:49:34):
Make your head throb No it gives.

Speaker 24 (01:49:38):
Me a not a burning sensation, but something similar. To
tell you the truth, what it really is is I
feel like I'm frying and and I actually am. That's
the feeling of it.

Speaker 16 (01:49:55):
Yeah, it's really bad. So so yeah, I was hoping
that in the.

Speaker 3 (01:50:02):
Scheme of things, if you feel like you're cooking, right, Yeah,
a new flag's not gonna That's that's like way off
the scale of things you're worried about. Because you want
to pick your don't you.

Speaker 24 (01:50:16):
I'm just I'm just commenting on what I thought the
flag was about.

Speaker 16 (01:50:21):
That the phone issue is a completely separate issue.

Speaker 24 (01:50:25):
And the other thing I was going to say was,
I don't know what you think of this, But when
jan rang in and was saying what she had to say,
you know, you go into court or signing there for
David and.

Speaker 16 (01:50:44):
You put your hand on the Bible.

Speaker 24 (01:50:46):
They are still using the Bible, and in that Bible
it says do not try to make contact with the dead.
All of that stuff is it's off base. And you know,
all these people will disagree.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
With me who's trying to make contact with the dead.

Speaker 24 (01:51:05):
You know how jam was till about how she's a
medium or whatever, I.

Speaker 3 (01:51:09):
See, okay, that's that's okay. The Bible says you shouldn't
start communicating with the people wherever they are living, that's.

Speaker 24 (01:51:15):
Right, yeah, or you should not try and communicate with
the dead if you want to communicate and if you
want to know what the future holds.

Speaker 3 (01:51:24):
And I do feel that it's slightly forward for her
talking to my relatives.

Speaker 16 (01:51:34):
It's wrong.

Speaker 3 (01:51:35):
Well, it seems it's you know, it seems and polite
in some ways to go of conversation with my relatives
without without.

Speaker 11 (01:51:47):
Interesting.

Speaker 24 (01:51:49):
But I just believe that there are two powers in
this universe, and one of them is God, and one
of them is Satan. And anything that God says not
to do in the Bible, if you're doing that whatever
God says not to do, you're dealing with Satan. And
it's a dangerous ground.

Speaker 3 (01:52:08):
And Wednes David Ickfitt and all of this.

Speaker 24 (01:52:12):
David Ike, Yeah, he's he's the guy that he talked
about COVID coming before it came. He'd written a book
and he'd been studying things for years and he has
an idea of what goes on in this world and
the way it operates. He talks all about it and

(01:52:35):
you know, I understood what he was saying. He said,
once you recognize the way this world is really working
behind the scenes, you recognize things that are happenings.

Speaker 3 (01:52:48):
It's a reconspiratory, conspiratorial and vague thing to say, though,
wasn't it.

Speaker 24 (01:52:53):
Yeah, except that he had plenty of information. He had
said that there was some book and that had been
written twenty years ago that was talking about them introducing COVID.
He said, it was all out there already.

Speaker 3 (01:53:10):
Lovely you talk, Michelle, But a moisture at the gabba,
greens out for forty five of the balls moving a bit,
he was, let me just have a look at this
the replay. Oh yeah, just a good ball. He kind
of stepped out from the stumps to protect the stumps,
so he's kind of clean bold four for two, nine
to one. But that's what the pink ball tests. The
evening is when the movement comes. I stayed after work

(01:53:32):
last night watched the last half hour. They did think
probably that England should have declared and had a couple
of goes, got a couple of wickets in England before
right at the end of the night, but they didn't
do that because the they had a great not got
about sixty more runs in the last half hour, but
it's been tough going today. I was thinking during the
news about the flag referendum. It was kind of the

(01:53:59):
early days of Facebook conspiracy and that sort of stuff,
and what could have been a simple discussion got blown
away to all sorts of weird dynamics. I think we
saw that with Michelle that quite a simple thing, should
we get a bit of flag, But people kind of
took it to the furthest conclusion that with about one

(01:54:19):
will you know, and all those old tropes and all
those conspiracy theories have been around forever, one world government
and all those mad ones, they just all came out
so we could have no good discussion because because everyone

(01:54:42):
just want to go go crazy on it. So in
the end it became exhausting. Don't know what you thought
of the whole thing, but there were mischief makers and
groups trying to screw the scrum. They had their own
vested interest and they wanted to get rid of healthy, reasoned,

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unbiased discussion through lobby groups and stuff, just to really
a sample of what was to come. And the tactics
probably were successful, and we've seen a lot more of
them subsequently. I don't know if you want to mention that.
I'll talk about that. But it's ten years since we've

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had the flag referendum. I kind of wish we'd never
had it, actually, but I suppose it was important. But
a democracy but a reflawed process as well. If you
got anything to say about that, that's the answer tonight.
It would be nice to hear from you. Anything goes

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in this last hour of people. I'm not too fuss.
Keep those texts coming and keep your calls coming in.
I'll keep you updated with the quick as there are
fifth there is there. Looks like I've got rain feed
on the TV because of the wind they're celebrating. Looks
like there's another work and I'll tell you what it was.
I'm looking at the screen now. He caught behind, caught

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well behind, extraordinary catch. One of the great catchers running backwards.
It's Smith gone off. You go have a cry, you
cry baby with this silly upturned collar. One of the
great catchers running Beckwoods dive for a jects as the catcher.
That's brilliant that they'll get the barmy army going. Extraordinary catch.

(01:56:31):
So that's Smith, God it's a look at a screwed
up little face. Oh yeah, he looks furious, bothering to himself.
Off you go, keep walking five for two, nine to two.

Speaker 9 (01:56:53):
There you go.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
It's made me night. Fantastic catch, but yeah, the ball's moving.
They should have probably put the team in last daring
on a couple of wickets before today. And how could
be like their teams are quite even, he poised at
the end of tonight, be in touch if you want
to about the flag reason discussion if you've got it, Marcus,

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just a reference to jan what she said about the
eight hundred banking automatic response exactly the same prompts that
phone baking has been using since nineteen ninety over thirty years.
Hasn't changed. Although I do think that it said tell
them your number, not type it, and I always thought
you punched it in. I think she said at keep
me out, they ask you to tell them your password.

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I thought that was a change. So yeah, I mean
I can imagine that things had changed, and she thought
the change was someone trying to diddle her, but actually
it was just things have been changed because banking's changed.
That's what I've initiated that as But do get in
touch if you want to, Marcus till midnight. Good evening, Neil,

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this is Marcus.

Speaker 19 (01:58:06):
Well, good evening, Marcus. I know you're pretty liberal. On
a Friday, I'll try and say something reasoned about the flag.
I'm pleased it wasn't changed. I think it was a
step towards republicanism and it might be not the most

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popular thing in the world in New Zealand, Marcus, but
I have some fear of republicanism. Now we've got a monarch.
And when one considers, Marcus that the Army, air Force, Navy,
Post Office, everybody and his brother are not loyal to

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the government. They are loyal to the king. And it
doesn't matter how much power the king has or how
much power he does not have. The important thing is,
and why I believe in them monarchy is that the

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monarch stops other people getting that power. Because I look
at New Zealand and I love this country, you know,
and our current parliament, and the thought of some of
those people I won't say names and things, Marcus having
ultimate power is utterly terrifying. It can never happen with

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a monarchy. Monarchy in a democracy. That's what I wanted
to say, Marcus.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
Nice to hear from you. Neil, thanks so much, fourteen
past eleven. To keep going if you want to talk
here till midnight tonight. The flag. The flag, Yes, once again,
all these extreme and paranoid views about it, a lot
of fear around it, and that was propagated during the
referenda them. I think it was more than one, beginning

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the Ian Hill and the Hencart, but all the most
extrapolated crazy reasons. But ultimately, despite all of that, the
mood in the country, despite everything that people like Neil said,
was for change. But the process and the design was

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so flawed that it was an own goal. Keesy was desperate,
but to have those flags all designed on a computer
or whatever it was, and then not change them and
have so many the same and all of them with
a silver food. I mean, of course, the silver foon
is not unique to New Zealand. Most countries have a
silver fern. But yeah, we could have got a great flag,

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but with that process it was always going to be
a compromise.

Speaker 4 (02:00:55):
And so.

Speaker 3 (02:00:58):
And even so ten years later we mentioned there's still
people coming on with with crazed theories of what a
new flag would mean because city wouldn't mean we kept
becoming a republic. But if we wanted to become a republic,
we should be allowed to become a republic. There's nothing
to do with a flag. So when we decide that's

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what we want to do, and that time will come,
it might be twenty years ago, it might be fifty
years away, but the mood will change. I think what
we're seeing happening with Prince Andrew is not filling everyone
with enormous confidence. But you know, people get hated about that.

(02:01:41):
But as what times goes on, the people with the
connections to England feel less excitement about being part of
the Commonwealth. Kind of a lot of people it seems
frankly ridiculous. So and that's a Friday for you, Donald Donald,

(02:02:04):
for Marbareeaux texts becus, I'm definitely on your side when
it comes to that sniveling Smith prick.

Speaker 12 (02:02:10):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (02:02:12):
Yeah, the twenty seven million referendum showed John Key's priorities.
Imagine that amount being spent on I poverished New Zealand children.
Do we know it was twenty seven million? I feel
that is the right amount, but I should fact check
it since it's been a while and a lot of weird.
I mean it might cost more in the in the

(02:02:36):
in the in the Wash flag referendum cost. It does
seem right to me that, but I'll just check that.
So we are talking facts. Twenty three million twenty seven
might be and that it's twenty six million. So it
was four million under budget, which is interesting, mind Joe.
That's because probably the quality of the flags weren't much chopped.

(02:03:01):
It costs twenty one point eight million, fifteen percent less
than the budget twenty five point seven million. I might
go back and look at all the proposed flags because
some of them, you know what happens with design. Good
design can after a while, can start sort of resonating
and glowing. It'll stand the test of time and suddenly

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become relevant, like great art and people who have a
mixed response about that painter that artwork at the Hastings
Museum Art Gallery, and that's got people talking. And I
guess that's probably what arts designed to do. It's eighteen
past eleven o'clock five for two nine two Australia Trails

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by forty two runs New Zealand. What do I google?
New Zealand flag referendum. What's the word I'm looking for
dan contenders would be it probably wouldn't it? Contest submissions, No,

(02:04:08):
that might be contenders. I'll go with it. I don't
know if yours might be right submissions. I'll try that
later on. I'll by the way, it's the Bluff Parade
on Sunday. If you want to be on the Bluff Parade,
none of you want to be if you want to
watch the Bluff Parade, always a good day on Bluff.

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And there's a party afterwards with bumper with cars and
stuff and free ice cream for the kids and food.
It's quite a good Bluff party. There'd be a band playing,
there will be a quick fire raffle, and it's gone
on for about ten years, this event. And I think

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Vanessa will be saying sausages for the Sea Scouts, so
some fundraisers and stuff also, so that will be happening.
And if you want to come to Bluff, that's a
if it's nice day, quite a few townies will be
down for that. So that's it's not my job to publish. Well,

(02:05:14):
I actually no, I mean I'm not saying that in
a weird way, but I'm just done, quite happy to
put that out there. It's Sunday one. I think it
might be. I can't see all the flag oh the
flag consideration induction peck. It's pretty complicated, a lot of paperwork.

(02:05:37):
I don't think I can find an actual folder with
all the flags in it. But boy, oh boy, now
do come through if you want to talk about this
or anything else anyway, twenty one past eleven o'clock if

(02:06:00):
you want to be a part of it. Oh, by
the way, thanks the person put out, I mean that
it is. In fact, he said, it's the only country
with the silver fern, So thanks for that. So that
kind of had some sort of significance that a lot
of countries do have ferns in the fern fronds and
the well that that the unfurling fond, but the silver
fern is particular, endevoric, unique to New Zealand. Thanks for that.

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Five for three oh one Australia Trail by thirty three
one Steve, it's Marcus, good evening.

Speaker 12 (02:06:32):
Hello mar guess I'm Steve from Amaru.

Speaker 8 (02:06:36):
Hi.

Speaker 12 (02:06:37):
What's the flag? I think we're probably ten fifteen years away. Agree, yeah,
because of the ethnic makeup of our population will be
different and about that time. Yep, yep. And also I
believe that she.

Speaker 3 (02:06:53):
Had also also be political suicide as time wasting to
try and change it. Now I think that that good
was gone with that.

Speaker 12 (02:07:01):
Yeah, absolutely, And I believe that you have a double
referendum on legalizing marijuana at the same time.

Speaker 18 (02:07:09):
Yep.

Speaker 12 (02:07:10):
And also what's the subject in fifteen years time, we
could be looking at the question of republic and if
we become a republic, that an effect would make my
TENU treaty defund.

Speaker 8 (02:07:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:07:26):
I don't necessarily know that that rings true. I know
that of course it was signed with the with the
with the with quittorry was it with the queen? But
I don't necessarily know that. But yeah, I am hearing
what that that's often said, So I am hearing you about.

Speaker 12 (02:07:40):
That, Yeah, because there was a contract made with the monarchy.

Speaker 3 (02:07:44):
But you can always you can always if there's if
there's a will, you can change contracts, can't you. If
there's a will and the parties agree.

Speaker 12 (02:07:54):
Well, with one party's defunct when we become a republic,
the king is no longer a king.

Speaker 3 (02:08:02):
Yeah, okay, I'm sure you can negotiate something else.

Speaker 12 (02:08:04):
But well, yeah, yeah, yeah, I have heard decide before
that we would incorporate that into the constitution if we
were to, because being a republic would be a whole
new constitutional move.

Speaker 3 (02:08:21):
Yeah. Yeah, I'm not.

Speaker 8 (02:08:25):
Not into it.

Speaker 3 (02:08:26):
No, No, I don't. I don't necessarily. I think people
are clear that if if we become a republic, the
treaty can still can stand, and it's because it's part
of our law.

Speaker 12 (02:08:40):
Yeah, but it's interesting that that that's a process that
would have to be talked about in most of the possibilities,
hasn't it.

Speaker 9 (02:08:49):
Yeah, well, I.

Speaker 3 (02:08:52):
Think I think if we become a republic, then the
treaty gets inherited by the government, so the definition of
the crown would change, and that would mean the government
rather than the government of England, I understand. Yeah, I
don't even know. Just just see just a straight up question.

Speaker 8 (02:09:11):
Yeah, because.

Speaker 12 (02:09:15):
It would come down to a vote.

Speaker 3 (02:09:17):
No, just do we need a marijuana you know, I'm
just trying to think about that. How heavily police does
marijuana these days?

Speaker 12 (02:09:26):
How heavily blessed to the police?

Speaker 4 (02:09:28):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (02:09:29):
Police, Well, it would probably be more policed if it
was legalized, Okay, And it's I think the push was
it was more of a health issue than ye, and
and there's also the the criminalization, which was originally what

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was talked about, and then they got into a bit
of a overdrive with it and went to well was
just scope to legalize it, where I think they were
a bit too quick on doing that.

Speaker 3 (02:10:03):
Okay, appreciate you call twenty seven past eleven eight, looking
forward to what you've got to say. Good evening, Isabelle,
Good evening, Marcus.

Speaker 18 (02:10:14):
I just wanted to say how appreciative we were of
the treatment. We got a tower on a hospital this afternoon.
We've just got home about an hour ago, and my
husband went in. They thought that he might be having
a stroke and so he had to have a head scan.

(02:10:35):
We spent a great deal of time in ed in
a room, separate room, and the staff came and went.
They were absolutely lovely, couldn't do enough for us. They
gave us sandwiches, they gave us cups of tea, and
they just looked after us beautifully. Yes, we did have

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to wait. It's a Friday night and a lot of
people ahead of Marsden that needed a needed X ray service,
so he had because we were an eed. Apparently they
just get tucked in where they fit amongst the people
coming down from the wards. But we didn't mind waiting

(02:11:18):
because we were just so well looked. After they gave
us blankets because he had conditioning was a bit cold,
and gave my husband a pillow and he ended up
falling asleep on the bed, so he was quite comfortable.

Speaker 3 (02:11:30):
What a fantastic want to thank you so much foringing.
He's fine now, is he Isabelle?

Speaker 18 (02:11:36):
Yes, yes, several doctors have tested him with you know,
with putting a finger on the end of his nose
and the touching hands and one thing and another and yes,
the scan the scan was fine and his visuals were fine.
He just had a bad vertigo attack in the middle
of the night, so it was said, yeah, but yeah,

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no he's fine.

Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
That's a really good outcomers. Well thanks for telling us that.

Speaker 12 (02:12:01):
Hello Tom, Yes, Marcus here, this is Tom for me.
I was watching TV just before tea time, Channel fifty,
you know on the poor Men's TV.

Speaker 3 (02:12:13):
Yeah, what's channel fifty?

Speaker 25 (02:12:16):
Well you got.

Speaker 12 (02:12:17):
Twenty el zero, you got threety three, the Chinese station,
and the next one that gives me is fifty, and
then you get fifty one or that's a music station,
and then you get seventy one, that's another music, and
then you get two hundred and that's them all these
songs you know, sheielders dancing around and music from the eighties, seventies,

(02:12:38):
you know what I mean? But get back to this
channel fifty I was watching they rerick it on there.
Half the cars can you check up on this? Half
the cars in New Zealand don't have warrants or ridiosru Was.

Speaker 3 (02:12:51):
It a radio station a TV? Is it a radio
station on poor Men's TV?

Speaker 17 (02:12:55):
Ors?

Speaker 3 (02:12:55):
A TV channel? Were there pictures?

Speaker 12 (02:12:58):
Well, the year pictures are in z They just show
your pictures of all the writings under it and more
pictures and more writings information that's going on in New
Zealand which you don't really hear and see about on
the news at six o'clock on TV one and three.
You know what I mean? That station is that they

(02:13:18):
are in seed.

Speaker 3 (02:13:19):
I got no idea, Yeah, but any.

Speaker 12 (02:13:22):
Here Marcus on it they said half the cars in
New Zealand don't have warrant or rigios? Is that tree? Please?

Speaker 10 (02:13:28):
I don't know?

Speaker 12 (02:13:30):
Yeah? And that because that's pretty bad, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (02:13:33):
Well?

Speaker 3 (02:13:33):
I don't know if that's the story yet.

Speaker 12 (02:13:37):
Yeah, well that's what was on it. That's pretty truthful normally.

Speaker 23 (02:13:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (02:13:42):
Yeah, your data has found a large number of cars
is and don't have the registration. I fit's up to date.
Among everyday vehicles, nearly half are overdue for either their
warrant or their registration.

Speaker 12 (02:13:57):
So one or the wrong. Did I misunderstand it?

Speaker 3 (02:14:03):
Well, it all depends on how many don't have their registration.
And I'll just go throughther through the article. Yeah, an Aucklands,
sixteen percent of warrants have expired. But and I targer
that's down to eight percent.

Speaker 12 (02:14:19):
Well that good down there making plenty of money you
see off the farms and there.

Speaker 3 (02:14:23):
Oh yeah, and they don't rust because you're away from
the sea.

Speaker 12 (02:14:27):
Yeah, well they sit. You see all those Aukland cars
crapping up pretty quick. We don't want to buy them
from there.

Speaker 3 (02:14:32):
Yeah, that's what people in Bluff. If they want to
sell their car, they drive it up to Queenstown and
sell it on the side of the road.

Speaker 12 (02:14:41):
Well they got the money here, and it's a good thing.

Speaker 3 (02:14:43):
And I think it's that they think it's not been
near the sea.

Speaker 12 (02:14:47):
Oh they're cunning, we're cunning out very good.

Speaker 3 (02:14:50):
Like car side of running Queenstown because it'll be salty airs.

Speaker 12 (02:14:55):
Yeah yeah, what's what? What's the temperature? Running a spurt
in a spirit now? Because I can't handle it.

Speaker 3 (02:15:04):
I can't hate you can't handle the temperatu, sure.

Speaker 12 (02:15:07):
No, I can't handle it. I wouldn't go to Australia
if they she added me over here in a free
trip and an aeroplane during bad that you could out,
I wouldn't go there.

Speaker 9 (02:15:14):
Really.

Speaker 3 (02:15:15):
In the temperature now, I know why they're all going. Hey,
it's nineteen degrees currently. Oh it all got up to
twenty eight today. Okay, not now that it's nineteen now.
I did get up to twenty eight.

Speaker 12 (02:15:30):
Oh, it was real static. Where are the old months
at the old race course? So I shouldn't have probably
see that, but it doesn't matter. But why should you.

Speaker 3 (02:15:40):
Say at the race course? Are you supposed to be
on an A on a CC or something?

Speaker 4 (02:15:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (02:15:45):
No, no, no, no, no, I won't I'm not judgment.
I'm not judgment about people going to the races.

Speaker 19 (02:15:54):
Did you ever collect?

Speaker 4 (02:15:56):
No?

Speaker 12 (02:15:57):
No, no, no, I don't gamble anymore. You know, I
got big offense of gove me money like what oh
get oh survive mate survival. You know, I've got to
mode lawns and all that. I'm getting old down there,
he seving you don't got a friging cut up gallop
wood to gardening jobs and all this kind of carry

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on to survive on the pitch and single men.

Speaker 8 (02:16:21):
Good vibe, but then what hey.

Speaker 3 (02:16:25):
A good vibe going at the moment? What's that is
a good kind of feeling in the town at the moment.

Speaker 12 (02:16:32):
It's a lovely town. There's so many freaking workers here,
but I got too old to work. But they're rolling
in that. They're really absolutely rolling in it. Even at
mister Telly's. You know, some people slag him off, but
I worked for him for about ten years. And if
you do the chefs and he doesn't slam you, you
can bring home over eleven hundred dollars. Wow, he's a

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good guy. Okay, they slag him off because he might
not like unions and all that. Correct. Well, okay, I
knew that when I walked into the place. But you
kick them out, shut and just do what you're supposed
to do. You'll take home over eleven hundred dollars every week.
If you didn't even sweet for it. So it's a
good side to him.

Speaker 3 (02:17:16):
How many years ago did you finished work? How many
years ago you finished working?

Speaker 12 (02:17:19):
Tom twenty nineteen, No, yeah, six years.

Speaker 3 (02:17:25):
Sixty four, did you?

Speaker 12 (02:17:28):
Yeah? But I went he at Captain Wood Cap on
the benefit. You know how it is. I won't get
the river, the river, freaking willow trees everywhere. I was
just cutting them all up, seeing me, But they didn't
mind me doing it because they're putting a push bike
tracks through all the trees and all that.

Speaker 3 (02:17:47):
Not toys. But yeah, that's where that's where woman went.
That's where that woman went missing, down by the Spurton River,
wasn't it.

Speaker 17 (02:17:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 12 (02:17:53):
Yeah, young girl when she's sixteen year I wasn't. I
wasn't even.

Speaker 3 (02:17:59):
I'm not saying I'm not saying you did it. I've
always felt freaked out. I've always felt freaked out with
the river. Was she went with her dog, didn't you?

Speaker 12 (02:18:09):
Yes, she is walking the dog on the day.

Speaker 7 (02:18:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:18:11):
Is that where you get your fire you sort.

Speaker 12 (02:18:13):
Of shook the Yeah, yeah, water along the Spirit River.

Speaker 3 (02:18:16):
I'd be too freaked out.

Speaker 12 (02:18:17):
They're doing it for years. Everybody knows who You're doing
it for years. But what is saying?

Speaker 3 (02:18:22):
What was what was her name was, Yeah, Kirsty Bentley.

Speaker 12 (02:18:29):
Yeah, oh Bentley, that's it, Kirsty beat the year. Yes,
she's only fifteen, sixteen.

Speaker 3 (02:18:35):
Years ago.

Speaker 25 (02:18:37):
Was that.

Speaker 18 (02:18:42):
Eight?

Speaker 12 (02:18:43):
Yeah, it's pretty said. But you know, you've got to
sort of look after yourself when you're out in the wilderness.
Well no, I always felt, you know, because I don't think.

Speaker 3 (02:18:55):
I don'tink. I don't think it was her fault she
got killed. I think people just shouldn't kill people.

Speaker 12 (02:18:59):
No, no, it wasn't here fault. It wasn't frigging lunatic
or lunatics out there they grabbed her, you know. Yeah whatever, Yeah,
but any here on a light And note this is
a good term for people if they want to work.
The farms are fantastic. I mean on fromiro Nui I was.
I was born in christ I grew up in Narra Neui.

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A bit of a hard bagger in the.

Speaker 3 (02:19:21):
Day, struggle life for yourself.

Speaker 12 (02:19:25):
Yeah yeah, so I don't mind doing I don't mind
hardship excellently. The harder it gets for me, the more
I like push myself.

Speaker 3 (02:19:37):
You got someone, you got someone to spend Christmas with tom.

Speaker 7 (02:19:42):
Oh?

Speaker 12 (02:19:45):
Yeah, yeah, I got a lady free there.

Speaker 7 (02:19:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (02:19:50):
Oh she's a great cook.

Speaker 3 (02:19:52):
Yeah, give us some fine.

Speaker 12 (02:19:55):
Yeah oh yeah, I did not say team much wounds
might be listening.

Speaker 3 (02:19:59):
Okay, yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. I don't want
to get get yourself in trouble. Thanks Tom. Twenty one
away from twelve. It is nineteen to twelve people, and
we're talking mainly to start about the flag referendum. I
forgot after talking about the last God, I forgot, that's
what we're on about. He wanted to come through about warrants,

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which is fair enough. Unregistered warrants and even deregulate the
registered cars are a commodity for cur enthusias to sell,
swap a record, rebuild happens all over all every single day.
Thank you for that. Thank you for that. And I'm looking.
It's hard to find a file with all the flag

(02:20:43):
proposed flags on it. I looked a number of times
and I had much luck at that because maybe there
might be one and then that's really good. I haven't
found it yet. It could be a really good flag
that we overlooked at the time. Oh, hang on, I
think I found it. What's that? No that it was

(02:21:03):
like an AI one? But yes, if you want to
talk on air about flags. That's kind of the plan tonight.
If you are the trojan horse topics coming in the Republic,
you would want to go and discasch about where you're
suppose to do what you like.

Speaker 10 (02:21:21):
Really, But.

Speaker 3 (02:21:24):
Now, if you want to talk about any of these
things currently, it's what're about. Probably twenty years before you
get another chance to talk about your knowledge of the
flag and why we shouldn't change or why we should have,
and how you feel ten years after the event, free
wasted opportunity, Free wasted, a wasted opportunity and five four

(02:21:52):
three two seven at the cricket yep, there you go
if you want to be a part of it. Jim
will be on at twelve. So yes, that's what the

(02:22:16):
article said. Half are not registered or all warranted, so
I presume most of them it's the registration that's lapsed.
I think that seems to be if you looked into
the numbers. Laser Kiwi was the only real flag option.
Always good to see the laser Kiwi out. I see
it on flagpoles more than flagpoles, more than the others.

(02:22:36):
It's good, it's fun and it's humorous, and I've seen
it at world events. I've seen some big versions of
laser kiwi at football matches where they've made giant ones
and held above their head. Always brings a smile. So
that's something that you could mention. Yep. By the way,

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last time we discussed this, which wasn't long ago, within
the last year, we tried designing flags on chet Ai. Terrible.
They're much worse. And I mean the ones for the
referendum were pretty bad anyway, but these were much worse.

(02:23:21):
Just going your heads up about that fifteen to twelve
looking looking looking Hello, David, it's Marcus. Good evening, Good.

Speaker 17 (02:23:32):
Evening to you, Marcus, giving David about the play. Yes,
why didn't someone just stick a kiwi underneath the Union
plague in the top corner.

Speaker 3 (02:23:47):
It's a really good question.

Speaker 17 (02:23:49):
Leaving the plague alone, you know, not changing anything on it,
just being a kiwi there, like the airport stays on there.
They got a kiwi in it, and they said and
said a kangaroo.

Speaker 3 (02:24:04):
So and you were saying that because that for you,
the major reason for a new flag was to stop
it getting confused. Perhaps, Yeah, Okay.

Speaker 17 (02:24:16):
Last night in Auckland we had no am radio after
twelve o'clock at night.

Speaker 3 (02:24:22):
That's right.

Speaker 17 (02:24:23):
All the stations went off.

Speaker 3 (02:24:27):
That went off, I am, I was if in one AM.
I wasn't warned about the AM one where we don
I didn't read it out. I don't think I was
warned or was it just on your email?

Speaker 17 (02:24:38):
Every there was no stations at all on the AMBN.

Speaker 3 (02:24:43):
Now, well, I've got apologize because I, yeah, I didn't
read that out. It isn't my notes.

Speaker 17 (02:24:51):
I think of all the poor people that are sitting
up all dying and be listening to the radio, which
I do.

Speaker 3 (02:24:57):
All right, that's on me. I should have told you.
That's on me because I should have warned people. I didn't.
I done the night before, but that passed my attention.
I'm normally pretty good on that stuff. David. Why haven't
you got FM?

Speaker 12 (02:25:11):
Well?

Speaker 17 (02:25:11):
I do have awkward tune in.

Speaker 3 (02:25:15):
Because you know what the FM station is, don't you?

Speaker 12 (02:25:18):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (02:25:19):
Daily nine point four?

Speaker 9 (02:25:20):
But yeah, yep, all right?

Speaker 3 (02:25:22):
Put what time did come back on? You fall asleep
by the n headger?

Speaker 17 (02:25:29):
Yep?

Speaker 3 (02:25:30):
Okay, I apologize. That's on me. Own that my fault.
Thanks for putting out, David. Another wicket in the cricket
Stokes out for twenty three. I'll tell you the school
when it comes up. So I think that so Stoke
Stokes was the bowl. Yeah, so he's on fire. English
is the batsman that's out for twenty three. So Australia

(02:25:51):
six four three two nine. They trail England by five runs.
So certainly now what they need to do. What England
needs to do is to keep Australia in there for
the next hour, next forty minutes because they don't want to.
They don't want to, they don't want to go and
lose some mony wickets tonight. They want to just keep

(02:26:12):
Australia out there but restrict their runs. It would be
my theory. I want England to win this. I don't
like Australia and the sport eron It's Marcus, good evening,
you know, I.

Speaker 25 (02:26:24):
Just here listening to your legs conversation. I followed it
pretty closely at the time. Was intrigued. Never really a
fan of changing the flag and you sell it myself.
I'm quite patriotic, but I thought if a better one
come up, I'd been interested, and for me the two
were either a decent silver fern flag. So just to

(02:26:46):
straight out black and white I like the silver turn flag.
People use it a lot of sport. It's on our
sports jerseys. And like the Canadians change to a maple leaf,
I thought we could have changed to a silver fern.
It's very distinct, be nothing like it in the world.
So I was all for that one.

Speaker 2 (02:27:04):
Just plain black and white was one.

Speaker 25 (02:27:07):
And then the other one is an old flag, and
that's because I've learned about of more history about it.
At the time with the United Tribes flag.

Speaker 3 (02:27:16):
What a gorgeous story. Did they just blow all the
others out of the water, because that one, the composition
of that is so beautiful.

Speaker 25 (02:27:24):
Kind of the best flag the New Zealants we ever had.
Find the one we have now, I'm proud of our flag,
but if you were to go through history, the best
flag we ever had. And I never saw that flags
a lot, probably in the thirty.

Speaker 3 (02:27:37):
At least, you see you see it around a lot,
now you do, you do?

Speaker 25 (02:27:44):
And interestingly it's on just out of Otaki there near
you know, near Lebanum. Things is that when when you
Constate Highway one, there's all those molded flags there and
there's a whole lot of those at that And I'm
not sure what's going on. There's the there's the Maria there,
and there's all these flags. I'm not sure the meaning

(02:28:05):
of it or why it would be good to hear
if people know why all those are stay won there,
but it kind of looks cool. And there's a lot
of the Tena Rangutra tongue of flags there, but also
the United Tribe flags. I'm thinking they must quite like
it as well.

Speaker 4 (02:28:19):
Yeah, but it's dead.

Speaker 25 (02:28:21):
Uh but no, I love that flag. It's just done
it and if I have been in the mix, I
think it would have won.

Speaker 3 (02:28:28):
My only, my only I agree with all you say.

Speaker 22 (02:28:30):
Eric.

Speaker 3 (02:28:30):
I'll just say that you said I I would just
different when you said I wasn't in favor of changing
the flag because I am a patriot. I think you
can be a patriot in what a different flag. I
don't necessarily know that the two exclusive. But yeah, I
understand what you are saying.

Speaker 25 (02:28:48):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I don't mean that in the
sense that I because I am open to trating the flag. Yeah,
but they it would have to be something better, not
just changing for the sake of it. And I think
the only two for me, the better is and I
don't sir, of the other guy when they're talked about
the the symbol that the Kilia that always makes it

(02:29:11):
pretty proud as well. But I love the silver fern
and the multi battalion had that during World War Two.
You would have seen it painted our trucks and a
lot of people have carried that fern. So proud of
But that old flag, the nineteen thirty five United Tribes,
just when I fell in love with at the first time,
I said.

Speaker 3 (02:29:32):
Yeah, eighteen thirty four. So a choice from that and
the and the current, you'd go with that, wouldn't you.

Speaker 25 (02:29:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, every day of the week.

Speaker 3 (02:29:43):
Nice to hear from you, Aaron, Thanks so much for that. Hi, Leslie,
it's Marcus, good evening, good eating.

Speaker 26 (02:29:49):
I agree about the silver fern. I think that was
what I was ranging about. I think that would make
a great flag because it's most of our sports sort
of uniforms had the silver fern. Yeah, and I think
for black and white is really cool.

Speaker 3 (02:30:05):
Although that's kind of what the one that went into
the vote was. It was like the silver fern and
I was black and blue, but it had that in it,
didn't it.

Speaker 11 (02:30:14):
Yeah, I'm struggling to remember.

Speaker 3 (02:30:15):
Yeah, well that yeah, and I can understand because it
was a confusing time because it was a very complicated process.

Speaker 4 (02:30:22):
That was.

Speaker 26 (02:30:22):
Yeah, I just think because of all the sporting things
that yeah, I think the silver food black on white
would be quite cool. And just about the bank quickly
my bank if I ring, they say that if you
were asked for your pit number and to scam your

(02:30:42):
pit number out, So yeah, so.

Speaker 3 (02:30:46):
She had reason to for just so you know, the
flag that we the flag that one that preliminary heats
was the top left corner was black, the rest of
it was blue, and dividing those was the silver fern
and then on the blue bit was the four five

(02:31:06):
pointed stars with a white border.

Speaker 26 (02:31:10):
Okay, that's just that sounds quite easy.

Speaker 3 (02:31:14):
Yeah, too busy. And it also looked like what the
key is here on the cricket costume. I think it
looked more like a clothing item, Liza. They're going to
take one more call, but thank you for that. Hello, Rob,
this is Marcus.

Speaker 11 (02:31:24):
Welcome, Hello Marcus.

Speaker 7 (02:31:26):
How are you mate?

Speaker 8 (02:31:28):
Mate?

Speaker 7 (02:31:28):
Yeah, I'm gonna I've got a John Key play what
they called the John Key play back in the day,
flying right now on my little plant pole.

Speaker 12 (02:31:39):
I quite like it, except for the fact that they've got.

Speaker 7 (02:31:41):
The union jack on the left hand side. I think
we should get rid of the union jack. We're no
longer really tied.

Speaker 3 (02:31:47):
I don't think the jon Ky Flagg. Here's the union
jack on the corner or do you mean that.

Speaker 7 (02:31:53):
It's got the silverfoing game from the bottom lift right
up to the the top right.

Speaker 3 (02:32:01):
When you when you say union jack, do you mean
the Southern Cross?

Speaker 16 (02:32:05):
No?

Speaker 7 (02:32:06):
I mean are you inject from England? I mean I
was the one.

Speaker 3 (02:32:10):
John Key likes. I believe has just got the silver
fern and the Southern Cross.

Speaker 7 (02:32:15):
Oh yeah, no, Well I don't like that. I would
rather have the silver poon going up with the black
border the bottom, the blue board on the top and
then the kiwi in the top left end corner.

Speaker 3 (02:32:27):
How small is your pole, Adam? You say you've got
a small flag pole? How small is it?

Speaker 16 (02:32:32):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (02:32:33):
Why would you bother? Oh that's a big one though,
it's good size.

Speaker 7 (02:32:37):
Well, yeah, I've got I've got a build into a
four x four posts and.

Speaker 9 (02:32:44):
The concrete Harry flags.

Speaker 3 (02:32:46):
Harry Flagg's you got.

Speaker 7 (02:32:48):
Two one the New Zealand current New Zealand flag A
small one which you get from the local you know,
to dollars shop or whatever, and then the the other one,
and the other one is bigger than the New New
Zealand one because those in the Newport and I think,
why should we allegiance ourselves to England now? Will they

(02:33:10):
not really do anything for us?

Speaker 3 (02:33:12):
Good onion, good point, well made. That's it from me.
Enjoy your weekend. Like they're going out of fashion? Is
there another wicket right on the end, I think it
might be no, maybe not.

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