January 24, 2026 • 40 mins
One of the hottest topics of the modern era is kids and smartphones. As we've seen more of the what the internet can do (for better or worse) they seem like an essential part of life. Wallet, Keys, Phone, that's what you always keep on you.
A first phone is typically only for texting mum and dad, so why do you need a device that has the capability for so much more?
Child Psychologist Sara Chatwin joins Tim Beveridge to give her advice on when to let kids get their own devices and how to manage them.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks,
I'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I see on different news sites the debates that
Australia already had and it's still having. I think in
the Guardian they're looking at it, in the UK, other
countries looking at it. We're going to look at it.
I think there's a high chance of it. And yeah,
when do you give your when do you give your
child their first device? But when you think of that,
how does it affect how does the access to social
(00:32):
media affect that decision? And would you support a restriction
on social media? Given the global interest in this Australia's
social media band should we be following suit? Would that
make you more relaxed about giving your child a device?
How do you manage your child's device? Use? We have
it at home all the time. And I tell you,
one thing I have learned is that children can just
(00:54):
that just it's it's like you build something one breck
at a time. They break down Mums, mum and dad's resistance.
Well probably not mums, but dad's you know, one breck
at a time. How do you come up with the
rules and stick to them? Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. But yeah, what are you what's
your approach to giving children device? What age do you
(01:16):
think is appropriate? What's too young, what's too not? What's
too old? I don't think there's such a thing as
too old. We're talking about what's too young? Anyway, to
discuss those issues, we are joined by Well, she's a
regular on the show. I could say she's a psychologist,
which she is, but I almost don't need to because
everyone knows who's Sarah Chatwin is.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, that's happy New Year, and marry Christmas for.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Last year, and that isn't it funny? The and we've
got this terrible weather event in the round Point and
everything that goes along with that. But it was the
first Christmas I can remember where we actually had quite
good weather over that period where we were well I
remember it.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Last year was pretty nice for us, but we were
in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So now nine the year ago, is christ Church was
pretty great?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Not great?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is Christmas was pretty great?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
We actually saw the sun a few times when we're
down there the stone.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh, I'm loving that. And thank you for the intro.
And yes, it is certainly not a free for all
but I do like this topic of phones and social
media because they kind of go hand in hand today,
so we have to be aware of that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's your initial take on kids and devices anyway? Does
it make it you know how we were? Have you
just have an instant reaction. I think devices kids and.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I go, oh, god, headache material right because it was
a headache is a little bit yeah. I think that
perhaps we have allowed them to come into our lives
in such a way that boy, there are no chicks
and balances, or not enough in my view chicks and
balances in place. And I don't necessarily feel that parents know,
(02:50):
you know, what's going on fundamentally with their kids and devices.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Because rules are I think it's I think it's sticking
to rules that is. I found that the biggest challenge
we did the thing the parenting place has a has
a contract you can amend as well.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Quite like contracts you just have had them with my clients.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Actually, when you look at it, it's about that you
get the kids to sign up to it as well
and what they can and can't do on their phones.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But do you know what a contract also does? It
It gives people an awareness of it makes you put
down the things that are in your mind onto paper,
and both parties can see it, look at it. There's
a process even of a little bit of negotiation and
a contract sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, but I couldn't tell you what was in my contract.
That's the problem, because I mean it is a few
years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And but.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What I found is that kids are great at turning
in an exception into a behavior. So I just need
to take this call from such and such and before
you know it, it's like I've just started watching this video. Yes,
and why are you not in the room? You know? Yes,
And we have a rule about at a certain time
phones back, and you know, if the phone's plugged into
the charger and you're on a book or something, And
(04:03):
my wife would tell you you accurately. I'm not as
good as patrolling that because I just feel you get
sick of them to enforce the bloody rule every night.
You feel like such a nag. It's like girls have
told you bring me your device and plug it in.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But you're not a nag. You're a parent. No, you're
a parent, and part of that role, unfortunately can look
and feel for children like a nag. But you know,
as parents we have to step into that space of
you know, tough decision making, confronting decision making, and you know,
(04:39):
decision making because we're parents, so we have a responsibility
to these children. These children are looking at us, they
are modeling our behaviors. So you know your wife is Stella.
I mean, you talk about your wife a lot, and
she does a stellar job. And Tim, you're learning learning, well,
you are a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Tim, I mean, I mean there's a whole separate conversation
about different parenting styles and all that sort of thing.
But what about I can't remember how old your kids are.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Mine are a little bit beyond yours. So yeah, I
started pretty early with my kids and my daughter has
just finished school. She's my last one. I yes, yeah,
I have.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stakes did you make and what did you get? Absolutely perfect? Well,
when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Device, my elder two are not necessarily addicted to social
media and devices. My younger two definitely would have had
more input with regard to that. And I guess, unlike you,
I'm quite good at sticking to rules because I think
that what were the rules, Well, the rules were you're
not having the past a certain time. They go on
the charger and they're not near your head, so they're
(05:42):
at the other end of the room, and I'm you know,
I was policing things a little bit. My third child,
a boy, definitely, you know, liked social media and phones
and devices much more than anyone else. Because if you
have four children, you're going to have a you know,
a breadth and depth of different behaviors because, as you know,
every child is different, they have different experiences, they bring
(06:05):
different personality trays to the table. So yeah, I mean,
I just found that having rules was important and enforcing
them was important. Also, I was not against having conversations
about anything. I mean, you know, my style of psychology
is communication is key, and having open pathways of communication
is has got to be a really good thing. So
(06:27):
I would ask them that what they were watching, and
you know, from time to time I would impose a
few checks if I had any Nigli feelings.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That's interesting because I think, look, having your kids have
the ability these days, of course, our expectations are different.
When I was growing up, there weren't such a thing
as cell phones. You just when you were getting picked
up at the school gate or whatever, you just had
to be there. You know, we coped, but now expectations
are different. We live in a different world, and they
(06:57):
actually are fantastic communication device as well. But actually the
reason I'm not I don't stress as much about my
daughters and I do I worry about it, of course,
is that they don't actually have social media anyway, and
their communication methods are generally through WhatsApp. It's a little
(07:17):
bit social media riss in terms of you know, friends.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Chats and connectivity.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's nothing where they are posting on Instagram or
Facebook or TikTok or whatever and waiting to see how
many people like what they do, which I think is
that's the first port of call where I think I'll
just keep away from that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, that's a little soul destroying, isn't it when you
when liking you strangers liking you? Because when we talk
about friends on social media, I mean people have these
hundreds and thousands of friends. They don't really know many
many of them. And if you are depending on those
likes to make you feel good about yourself, wow, that's
(07:56):
really really thinly veiled. So how well self esteem?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
How old were your kids when they got a device?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
There few so I did have children that were fairly sporty,
so I was picking up from practices and stuff like that,
and I think it was probably fifteen sixteen for the
older ones and maybe fourteen fifteen for the other two.
Mine my kids are in their twenties and my daughter
is it's eighteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Some then, because someone would say high school, okay, you
can have one.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But it's just for I think that a lot of
parents who have children that go to after school classes
or sports or do stuff probably like to know that
their children have that ability to contact them at their
leisure because there may be a safety aspect to that,
and definitely a communication aspect. But I guess I've been
(08:49):
on a few podcasts where people have asked me this
question and we've got it down to like twelve. But
even I think that's too young to have access to
social media, and arguably legally Instagram and Facebook they are
and above, so you're think, so I'm thinking that this
B four sixteen movement, it's not really a bad line
(09:13):
in the sand to draw on the.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Social media side of things. Yeah, phone side.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Of things, the phone side of things, I think you
have to look at the individual situation because if kids
are you know, stuck at practices, you know, and you
need to have the ability to ring them if there
isn't a phone at that particular site or venue, then
I think, you know, but I mean, I'm thinking that
up to fifteen, I'm not sure why you would absolutely
(09:40):
need that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, because a younger one got different, she got to
find the same time as her older sister.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I think, well, that happens with yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But the blurry thing that I struggle with, I think is,
you know, when I was a kid, i'd watch the TV,
whereas entertainment sometimes videos they can be on their phone,
but literally they might be watching a TV produm, watching
something on Disney.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't see that as quite device time in the
way that you might say being on social media or
you know what I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
A it is different. But the problem is that parents
don't know how their children's time is being utilized because
you might be on Netflix, or you might be posting
on Instagram. So parents unfortunately lack an awareness of content
and of what their child is being exposed to. So
(10:34):
I guess for me, as a parent of slightly older children,
certainly older than yours, I think we I had more
control because those days were littlely sophisticated in terms of
what was available.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Actually, that is another point I doubt you're right. Yeah,
and these I mean there is more choice with phones,
but I mean you can still get your child a
dumb phone, as I call them, mam.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You can, but not many people do because I think
they do the cost benefit analysis of that and think, well,
if we're getting them a phone, we may as well
get them this one, and then when they're that age
they can still have the phone, but access this that
It's it's really tough and as I said, not a
lot of checks and balances. Nothing's widely accepted in terms
of rules and regulations around this. And of course, Tim,
(11:18):
we've talked about this before on the Parents Squad. You know,
each family has its distinctly different culture. There might be similarities,
you know in a socioeconomic you know grouping or you know,
a low geographical location grouping, but every family has its
own distinct flavor to their culture.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We love your cause on this eight hundred eighty ten,
and we'd love you to join the conversation on you know,
what age do you think it's appropriate to give your
child a phone? I could say a device or whatever.
But let's face it, we're talking about something where you
can communicate. You can actually pick up the phone and
dial give us a call on one hundred eighty ten eighty.
(12:00):
But I guess the question is why did you give
them the phone? And when is the appropriate time and
also what controls you have in place. This conversation, by
the way, naturally does head in the direction of what
Australia has done with its social media ban and does
it bring that conversation this time of year? Does it
bring into focus for you as a parent that you
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think you know what the government can't act quickly enough
on this or not? I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
text nine two nine two. It's twenty past five, News
Talk said B. News Talk s B. This is a
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parent squad with Sarah Chatwin and we're talking about well,
it's that time of year. You might have gone down
to some sale that's popped up on your phone from
some particular outlet and bought the phone because you think
time to get my child at their first phone. What
motivated it and what rules are you going to stick
around it? O eight hundred eighty ten eighty h Angela.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Hello, Gooday, Hey going Angela, Hi Sarah, I am I
just have a driving and have a couple of hopefully
maybe some helpful tips mine like you just just starting
into the early twenties and I got a really great
suggestion from somebody and it worked really well. Was every
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time my girls when they first signed up to got
their phones and was signing up to like Justin Bieber
and Bloom and Miley Cyrus, is they actually also had
to sign up to a national geographic or one new.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Contract.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
So then yes, and they had to show us as
every time they signed up to one, Yeah, they signed
up to an information and now in the early twenties,
their feed is balanced. And then they'll say, oh, I
read that on the news on my phone and it's
actually kept their feed balanced and that yes, they have.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
To notifications from an educational site as well as from
Miley Cyrus's new album posting.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Exactly every time they signed up when they first got
their phones to something crabs like teenage Things is they
also had to sign up to. And I've now got
one news, country calendar geographic popping up as well. And
it's just especially I think girls, where it does become
just so one dimensional. It's really how to keep their feeds.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What about the social media feeds because it's one thing too,
you know, to be in groups of texting each other
and stuff. But what about social media because I'm quite
I mean, well I could still see TikTok through the web,
But what what was your approach to the social media
side of things? The facebooks, the Instagram's, the what have you?
What have you? Angela?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, and and well what we did is with the
tiktoks and all that is it was it was one
thing at a time. It was just Facebook, okay, And
they did that for sort of a year or so,
and then it was like, okay, we're managing that. And
(15:03):
then we would bring in like say a tech took
and all of that. And one thing that also helped
is all the devices got charged in the study.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes, that a lot of people do that. They actually
take that out.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
That's a rule from me for everyone. No charging your
phone in your bedroom.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And the number of time, even my girls
down in twenties, they still charge their phones in the
study because they love this sleep and they hate being interrupted.
And yeah, but I did get caught out once they
had their first sleepover and my daughter. The first sleepover,
I didn't even think about it, and my daughter had
(15:42):
said the next morning like, oh, one of the girls
was on his phone all night.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And that's because different families have different rules and regulations
and there's a different family culture.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, exactly. And then so then the next sleepover is
I was like, okay, guys, let's talked about it with
my daughter. And she didn't want to look like a
little nude. So I was like, I'll be the baddie.
And so I was like, okay, guys, our rule here
in our house is phones charged. Here in the kitchen.
I did, but one of the little buggers had one.
(16:15):
You've almost got to pat them down. I think it's
going to have to be the next step. But it's just, yeah,
it's been one step ahead. And also we all had
all the devices have the same passwords. As they get
as they get older, it is chicking your phones, but
it's not as much chicken on them. It's amazing what
you see walk through the door is very different. Like
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their little friend walks through the door to what's online
and you go on their device to see what their
friends are like online is sometimes very very different. So
we had. I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Actually, did you did you have a moment where you
I mean, did you see stuff shared with your kids
where you went red flag?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Definitely? Definitely, And what you see come through the door,
I would never have guessed it in a million years.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's an interesting comment.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And then what you see online it was like, whoa,
hang on a minute, this is yep, yep, most definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, hey, thanks for your call, Angela. Actually that's one
of those I think one of the rules we had
was that we can look at your device anytime we want,
when we ask, and you're to give it to us
straight away.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, great rule, and that's part of your family
culture and that's embedded, I mean, your values are embedded
in those decisions that you're making. But Angela brought up
some really good points. I liked that balance that she
tried to and she did inevitably instill in her children
about Okay, you're going to look at this fun kind
(17:49):
of stuff, then you have to look at this I
mean rightly wrongly. That was a pretty cool thing to
do to hold people accountable and to try and get
that social media balance like work life balance.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I guess anyone with the sleepover because I think when
you don't know the parents and everything, I think I
would probably reach out to the parents and say, listen,
you know what's your policy on phones after bedtime?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Well you have every right to ask.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Because yeah, because I think that's the thing. The reason
it was simpler in the old days. You didn't even
have to have these conversations. You might just say to
the what time you might say to them it's a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
What time are they going to say?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Times lights out as opposed to what times lights out?
Devices out? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And it's you're also dealing with drinking too, now when
your kids go to parties in those in those in
those mid to later teenage years, when you have parents
priming their kids to drink by giving them drinks as
you know young as Oh god, I look at the.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Back at the parties I went to when I seventeen
and anyway, let's.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Not go there.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But you were seventeen, so that's close to drinking age.
I mean, we're talking about kids where parents are giving
them drinks at thirteen and fourteen, So you know, hey,
But the other thing with these rules and the points
that Angela raised It's interesting, isn't it how family culture
dictates what goes on with the children. And she was
making the point of, you know, a child comes to
(19:15):
your door and they look quite different than they do
on their online profiles. That's a little scary because that's
that social media fantasy versus reality kind of thing that
you've got going on there where you see young girls
and they just look like kids, and then on social
media when they're posing and putting the filters on and
distorting their images to make them, you know, look quite different.
(19:38):
I mean, that is also pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes, And therefore that's a funny one though, because how
do you do you I mean, at what point do
you intervene in a way that you think, I don't
think I want my child to be friends with this person, because.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, I think you have as a parent the right
to guide your child.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
How do you how do you you have a conversation
if you don't like your child's choice of friends.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But I mean, in social media can bring that out,
It can you really show sides of children that you
certainly don't want your kids to interact with. And I
guess that then as a parent, you have a responsibility
to have a very honest conversation with your child if
you see stuff that you know isn't okay for.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You, actually you know one of those. There was something
that came to mind when we were talking with and
just before as well, but about the access to devices,
as if you that's the constant thing you having to
push back against. And I as I, as I was
thinking about that, I suddenly realized what a great thing
my wife did in an early day. In the early
(20:51):
days was my kids loved books. And they all have
the book habit. They love their devices as well.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But equally they like a book.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What's the thing if Anne Marie says, look, girls, it's
time to put your book, to put your phones down
and go read a book, they'll basically do it, even if,
and even if there's a little bit of resistance because
I'm finished being part of that chat group.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
For them, I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
They've got there. They've literally got that option. A few
minutes later, they're reading a book and they're happy. Whereas
if you I think that's one of the best things.
It sounds so holy in now, doesn't it. But if
you're not, really but get your kids into reading, because
if they've got that as an activity they enjoy. It's
an alternative to just complaining about the fact they're not
on their phone.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Hey, I don't think it sounds holier than they are,
to be honest, I think that's what we all used
to do before the onslaught of social media and devices.
I think that was just part of our you know,
and that was a really you know, relevant option for kids,
as was you know, going outside and playing, as was resting,
(21:55):
as was you know, sitting in the lounge with your
family and chatting or you know, chatting to a friend
that you had over. I mean, I think it's really
sad that we say things like this. Sounds silly to say,
read a book that was stuff that is so good
for you, and it just used to be so accessible
and easy.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What I mean is it's pompous because you know, I've
got to give my wife the credit for that, and
I loved reading to the kids. But she really made
a great effort, you know, and she's because she's a teacher.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
She had she sees the value of it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She had an instant, she had an instant buying to what
books kids enjoy reading. You know, there were series of
books which were popular and she just fed them a
steady diet of books that they and I I mean
I wasn't not part of it, but she drove that
really effectively. And I just think, if you have got
the chance as a parent, just get get them into books, box, box,
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box books.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And I would say for me, books, exercise, activity, play,
things that stimulate that, you know, neuroplasticity, that brain work.
You know, hey, got to bring the psychology back into
this outlast. It's so buzzwords.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Neuroplasticity, right, I'm going to try.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't think you can spell.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
That neuroplasticity any U R O P L A S
T I C I T Y Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think you got it? Oh nailed it?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Boom fast eat my hair? SORRYT hello?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah yeah. Neuro brain and plastics at ev and fast thing.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, flexible brain, flexible thinking. I think it something.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And that is this is the thing that comes I
was just swinging about their kids. It wasn't I've sort
of extended it beyond the alcohol side that because you
mentioned alcohol is and I turned on. But I think
the thing is, I mean, I've got two sons and
two step kids and they're all sort of thirties and forties.
And I think it's all very well to say, yeah,
k re re retaken down the library, But kids are
a reflection of their parents. Maybe not initially, but you
(24:02):
know it because on the early sort of twenties and
what have you, they're sort of finding their own they're
growing their own brain. But all you can do is
instill some of those practices in them, and you've got
to practice what you preach. You can't say to you
could go and read and then go and watch the
telly or where your laptop or something. Do you know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Quite successfully, I think that's right because children are watching
their parents, They are role modeling, they are seeing what
their parents do. So I do agree with that, but
I think you will find that there's a very strong
correlation between parents who suggest reading to their children and
the fact that they probably do themselves to a certain extentence.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And you've got to let them within the bounds, and recently,
of course, you've got to let them read what they
want rather than what you think they should be reading.
And I just wanted to take that to the alcohol
as well, which was the initial reason for the call.
I mean, if you're growing up in a boozy environment.
Then unless you reject that way of doing of living life,
then you will be a boozehound' That's my feeling anyway.
(25:05):
I've never been a huge drinker, basically because I've driven
most of my life and I've seen alcohol and how
it affects other but both all four of my kids,
with the exception of one, if we don't talk except
that they I mean, in the words of the daughter,
I don't like drinking too much because I don't like
how it makes me feel.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Interestingly, nick, I think we can probably say this topic
for another day, but we've done this a bit on
other hours of talkback. Is I'm not sure that this generation, Okay,
there's always a problem with people who attracted to our
column binge drinking, but I'm wondering for this generation and
not actually going to have the problem of their of
the older generations with alcohol that we fear they might,
(25:49):
because not so many are drinking.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I'll tell you for why, because in our generation, I
grew up with Dean Martin being the boozer and cracking
jokes and you know, and if you watch movies on TV,
it was funny.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He was drunk and funny.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well he wasn't drunk, he drank careful.
I mean, you know, his best joke I think was
you haven't been drunk until an eye on the floor
without holding on. And this is funny. But when the
kids hear that, oh, I got to get drunk, it
sounds hilarious. And I don't think we've had so much
of that these days.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, I think that's that's a good point actually, I mean,
although we divert the conversation to something completely different, I think.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
The research would substantiate the fact that if you are
growing up in a household where you have heavy drinking parents,
that kids will gravitate towards those behaviors. Certainly parents that
give their children alcohol early. The research says that that's
just priming the child to be a drinker, whereas parents say, oh, no,
we're allowing them to drink in a safe environment. No,
(26:51):
you're actually priming them to drink because there is no reason.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, that's that's the French. People often go, oh, the
French give their.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Children, Well you can, but actually, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
France has one of the highest levels of alcoholics.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yes, so if you need validation, you'll find anything but
I also do think that today parents perhaps are a
little aware of those implications. And I still think there
are a lot of parents out there that don't get
it with regard to priming their kids to you know,
using alcohol.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Actually, Johnny's just texted saying, hey, Tim, I found that
comic's a good way to get kids into reading.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cheers Johnny to begin with, Yeah, if they're good, you
know nice.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I used to read asterisks.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I love I did too, I love that. And
what's that other one? I think my siblings or cousins
liked tintin those.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Very I used to read asterix and.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Okay, that was the guy with the blonde hair and
the little dog, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's originally a French cartoon as asterisks, because the bond
descinays they're known in France that they are. There's a
massive cartoon culture.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But I also disagree a little with the caller in
terms of I don't think you, as a parent you
should dictate what your children should read. But I do
think making helpful suggestions helps.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, if your mum buys your asterisks, pts them in
front of you and you start reading it, you're a
way Okay, I mean what I mean, you've made a choice,
but you're literally happy, Merry Christmas, happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, but I have had just recently, I've seen children who,
you know, I've been reading the David Williams books because
they're so much fun, and their parents were just getting
a little bit sick of that, so they inter spursed
them with I think it was similar, you know, David
Attenborough kind of stuff, the Two Davids, and that was
a nice little balance of nature and fun.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And you know, actually it's funny. The Orthodonis my daughter
was going to last year. They had asterisks in the
they had the asterisk and the reception and it's amazing
because it's decades since I rad. Yeah, absolutely, and I could.
I still remembered many of the lines and the jokes
and things because I actually answered, you're a fan. What
I study? Had to study Latin when I was at school,
(28:56):
and when I was about twelve years old, I once
answered a question in a Latin exam because of something
I'd learned from Asterix.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You're a groupie. You're you're read groupie status.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Fun fact. I actually am reading it again now, but
I'm learning it. I'm reading the French versions. Hey, because
that's my hobby. But that's completely nothing to do with
what we're talking about. In fact, we'll come back and
we're going to have a chat about that. We're going
to move it on to the not move it on,
but we're going to extend the conversation to should we
be is it a no brain of that? New Zealand
(29:26):
will follow, broadly speaking, the lead of Australia. Other countries
are having the conversation banning social media for those under sixteen?
Would you support it? Yes, and we'll discuss the reasons why.
Exactly oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back in
a minte Yes News talks. They'll be with Sarah chat
(29:56):
when talking about well, we started talking about devices and
we've gone all over the place since then. But anyway,
maybe that's my faults.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Labyrinth your mind.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's a circus in there, and thank you for the
text too, says tinton Is Belgium, not French.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, close, Hey, we were close.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We were close.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We were almost perfect, but not quite moist.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's like thinking the Battle of Waterloo was in France
when it was actually in Belgium as well. Belgium right,
and now, actually let's get on to that. The social
media band that Australia has done, this is one I think. Look,
let's be honest. If you're getting your kid a device,
the main reason you're thinking twice about it as social media,
isn't it. I mean the fact that they can call
(30:37):
and text their friends. You know, we had the phone.
I used to call my friends all the time when
I was growing up, talk for ages. That's not the problem.
It's social media and that's what we're worried about. What
do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh look, I think kids can do without it before
sixteen if you want my view as a psychologist, because
I think if you look at the amount of bullying
that goes on on these platforms, if you are.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The peers, you would see it absolutely share too many stories.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
No no, no, I won't hearing any personal stories in
ters of my client. Yeah. Absolutely, But if you were
a parent with a child that is experiencing online bullying,
you would go before sixteen is awesome. If you were
a parent of a child who has self harmed or
attempted suicide or committed suicide because of these platforms and
(31:30):
device usage and what's going on and needing the likes
and feeling so low of self esteem you would think
before sixteen was awesome. So there are many reasons why
I think I can understand how we've got here. I
did have you a broadcast to say to me, but
you know, why does the government need to get involved? Well,
I guess because parents aren't cutting it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Oh, look, why does the government need to get involved?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's an argument for no laws ever, because let's just
all suit ourselves according to our own whims and needs.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
But which doesn't really which amounts to nothing but chaos.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, that's an interesting philosophical question. But we have
laws around young people drinking, yes, and I guess you
can give your child alcohol at home, but there are
signals that are sent about what is accept a good idea.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Or yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean I think social
media needs to fall under that umbrella.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It probably needs to be viewed in the same light
as drinking, smoking, vaping, because I honestly tim if you
talked to parents who have had children so badly impacted
upon by this kind of stuff, they would go, you know,
before twenty one would be more likely. And I mean
that's the sad reality of how some kids can go
(32:48):
down those rabbit holes, you know, and they just can't
get out.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think I would say that what the government does
this year, I think it's a foun i reckon, it's
a foe gun conclusion. They are going to ban some
social media websites because as a president in Australia, I
think the discussion is simply going to be whether they
have the same websites included, because one I actually did
think was a funny one was YouTube, because I've seen
(33:13):
a truckload of YouTube videos on nature and educational sort
of things, and I sort of think that's a tricky one.
But then again, then again, it's only until sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly. I mean, what's the rush? I mean, I
just I just think that sometimes people take the approach that, hey,
you know, that censorship and but these are kids and
they are developing and forming and they need to have
a you know, take a breath, have a chance, you know,
and grow and they definitely do not need a lot
(33:50):
of this content in front of their eyes, nor do
they need the algorithms drawing them in or the additional
things that crop up that are very unrelated. When your
child visits excited.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Why site, that's actually why they I mean, I'm not
a huge Apple fan only, but of course Google has
apps so you can use regardless of which it platform
you're on. But Apple has like my wife can track
my daughter's iPhone and sort that out, but I can't.
But there are apps like I think there's an app
called three sixty and things where you can check out
what your kids are doing, where they are at all times,
(34:21):
and what they've been doing and look, you know now,
I think that that would be It's not a bad idea,
is it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah? I mean again, I think that's a personal choice
with regard to family and culture and what the parents
feel is acceptable and what they want in terms of,
you know, knowing where their children are and what they're
doing and all the rest of it. There are many
ways of keeping it keeping I'm not sure it's.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Going to be going away. I don't think it's going
to be last time we talk about this.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So I don't think it is either.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Tim anyway, I love you to see you.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Oh, it's nice to see you too, always as always.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And that wraps the parents squad for today because we're
going to be covering sport with Kobe Marati is going
to be in with us in just a moment to
talk sport and we'll be aking just to take it.
What is it eleven and a half minut it's to
sex news Talk seed.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
B good weekend collective sports rapp Well.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
Actually that weekend sports, the sports rap sting matches. What
we're going to be talking about with news talks HEB
sport reporter Kobe Murati, who's with us a cab. How
are you going?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Ten one?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Good? Thanks mate, Because there's lots of tennis sound effects.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
There's a lot of tennis. It's a sweltering ripsnorder of
a day. Day seven that the Australian Open. They've had
to close a few of the outdoor courts because it's
so hot. But on on Rod Lavor, we've got the
second seed going for his third title in the row.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
In Youllick Center.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
What have we got now is up up two sets
to one, down three to two in the in the
in the fourth game. But yeah, I would say that's
that's a highlight for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
What's the vibe of the tournament is there? Is it
a fairly exit? I've been had times right tun in
and out and sometimes I'm right into it. And I've
actually been to the Tennis Open back when I was
living in Melbourne, sort of wandered around aimlessly and saw
a couple of games on those general generic passes. But
it is it's quite amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's enormous.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
There's I mean, all all the best go tonight. Novak
Djokovic is going for what I mean at the tournament.
He's going for his eleventh Australian Open title, which is
just ridiculous. He's on tonight, He's gone through the first
two round straight sets easy as.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He's looking pretty good, isn't he.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
He shouldn't look like good for being thirty eight. No,
he looks like he's sort of twenty three, twenty four?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, who are who are?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Where are we out in terms of favorites and who's
who's you know, who's in the running? Still them?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, all the men's favorites are in that Youngick center
on now. Krlos Alkaath is going through fine, Djokovic is
still and he's the four seeds. I mean, I would
say those are the those are three favorites.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who would you mat if you're going to Carlos Our
crowd threat versus sinner. Yeah, well, actually who do you
who's your favorite? Do you think to take it out
favor because I have a suspicion that Djokovic is going
to do it for some reason other than nothing more
than just a hunch.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
Well, like I said, like his eleventh and there's twenty fifth,
like his twenty fifth Grand Slam title, Like, that's pretty ridiculous,
So hard to rule him out. But again, Youngickson is
one of the last two years, so you know, back
to back to back, you'd think that'd be pretty like.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We have any sense on whose crowd favorites are because
Carlos is pretty popular, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I don't think there's any real public enemies. I think
Ben Shelton, the American that came to the ACEP Classic,
he's probably made a bit of an enemy himself in
past sort of hand gestures and yelling after you do.
I don't know if he is that guy, but he's definitely.
It definitely pushes sort of the boundaries of what tennis
players can do on court, similar to Nick Curios.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The center of playing right now and he is what
is he?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Two?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
One up?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:52):
And the just down three to two in the fourth game.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, okay, fourth game. Hey, so we've also got the
the Classic Sam Ruth.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yes, and again we've got another Battle of the SAMs.
So yeah, Cooks Classic today or tonight. Actually they're doing
the mile Sam Ruth, the younger one is going for
the sixteen year old record, which is currently held by
an Australian. It's three minutes fifty five.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Point four to four six. Sorry, what's the event?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
The Cooks Classic in the mile mile all laps of the
four hundred meter?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Isn't that amazing? Maybe? I still I'm old enough to
remember the days of the when I think it was
John Walker he was the first to clock up one
hundred sub for minute miles. But you know when that
was this huge goal? What's it? Bannerman? I think I
wasn't around then. Yeah, But the fact that a sixteen
year old, what time are we looking at?
Speaker 6 (38:42):
He's trying to break three minutes fifty five point four
to four seconds, which is pretty outrageous.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And we what do we rate of as chances?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well, he's running with Sam Tanner, so they kind of
just they run off each other, you know that they
thrive of each other's energy. I would say he'll do it.
Sam's looking to break his three forty nine PB and
he'd be the fifth sub form minute mile.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It Cooks Garden and Sam Tanner. He's twenty five. That's
young for a middle distance for a runner, isn't it.
Don't they sort of get into their prime even older
than that?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Or is he?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
If it's crime year, he's probably pushing into it. He's
already been his Olympics twice, which.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, but I mean, I mean it's you can I
don't know. I have in my mind that sort of
thirty is more of the age where you get rock
and rolling. What's Sam Ruth sixteen? It's really jealous.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Its modern science. You can probably go to your forty
forty five jo.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Is he going to do it?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Okay, christ Kopi Murati has called it now. Sam Ruth
is going to break the world record for the sixteen
year old six sixteen year old mile. Well, we'll be
keeping our on that, no doubt. You'll hear about it.
Than news Hey, good to see him, mate, Jis Thanks
so much. That is the sports rap. We'll be back tomorrow.
We've got David Seymour joining us for politics and also
for the Health Hub. Brian Betty's with us and we're
(39:57):
gonna do tune in for that. We're going to talk
about do you need a family? Do you need your
own personal GP? Are those days gone? And how do
you go choosing a GP? And Martin Hawes is with
us for smart money as well. All that on the
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I'd be.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I see on different news sites the debates that
Australia already had and it's still having. I think in
the Guardian they're looking at it, in the UK, other
countries looking at it. We're going to look at it.
I think there's a high chance of it. And yeah,
when do you give your when do you give your
child their first device? But when you think of that,
how does it affect how does the access to social
(00:32):
media affect that decision? And would you support a restriction
on social media? Given the global interest in this Australia's
social media band should we be following suit? Would that
make you more relaxed about giving your child a device?
How do you manage your child's device? Use? We have
it at home all the time. And I tell you,
one thing I have learned is that children can just
(00:54):
that just it's it's like you build something one breck
at a time. They break down Mums, mum and dad's resistance.
Well probably not mums, but dad's you know, one breck
at a time. How do you come up with the
rules and stick to them? Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty is the number. But yeah, what are you what's
your approach to giving children device? What age do you
(01:16):
think is appropriate? What's too young, what's too not? What's
too old? I don't think there's such a thing as
too old. We're talking about what's too young? Anyway, to
discuss those issues, we are joined by Well, she's a
regular on the show. I could say she's a psychologist,
which she is, but I almost don't need to because
everyone knows who's Sarah Chatwin is.
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Well, that's happy New Year, and marry Christmas for.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Last year, and that isn't it funny? The and we've
got this terrible weather event in the round Point and
everything that goes along with that. But it was the
first Christmas I can remember where we actually had quite
good weather over that period where we were well I
remember it.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Last year was pretty nice for us, but we were
in Auckland.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
So now nine the year ago, is christ Church was
pretty great?
Speaker 3 (02:03):
Not great?
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Is Christmas was pretty great?
Speaker 3 (02:05):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (02:06):
We actually saw the sun a few times when we're
down there the stone.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Oh, I'm loving that. And thank you for the intro.
And yes, it is certainly not a free for all
but I do like this topic of phones and social
media because they kind of go hand in hand today,
so we have to be aware of that.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
What's your initial take on kids and devices anyway? Does
it make it you know how we were? Have you
just have an instant reaction. I think devices kids and.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
I go, oh, god, headache material right because it was
a headache is a little bit yeah. I think that
perhaps we have allowed them to come into our lives
in such a way that boy, there are no chicks
and balances, or not enough in my view chicks and
balances in place. And I don't necessarily feel that parents know,
(02:50):
you know, what's going on fundamentally with their kids and devices.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Because rules are I think it's I think it's sticking
to rules that is. I found that the biggest challenge
we did the thing the parenting place has a has
a contract you can amend as well.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Quite like contracts you just have had them with my clients.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Actually, when you look at it, it's about that you
get the kids to sign up to it as well
and what they can and can't do on their phones.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
But do you know what a contract also does? It
It gives people an awareness of it makes you put
down the things that are in your mind onto paper,
and both parties can see it, look at it. There's
a process even of a little bit of negotiation and
a contract sometimes.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
Yeah, but I couldn't tell you what was in my contract.
That's the problem, because I mean it is a few
years ago.
Speaker 4 (03:38):
And but.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
What I found is that kids are great at turning
in an exception into a behavior. So I just need
to take this call from such and such and before
you know it, it's like I've just started watching this video. Yes,
and why are you not in the room? You know? Yes,
And we have a rule about at a certain time
phones back, and you know, if the phone's plugged into
the charger and you're on a book or something, And
(04:03):
my wife would tell you you accurately. I'm not as
good as patrolling that because I just feel you get
sick of them to enforce the bloody rule every night.
You feel like such a nag. It's like girls have
told you bring me your device and plug it in.
Speaker 3 (04:17):
But you're not a nag. You're a parent. No, you're
a parent, and part of that role, unfortunately can look
and feel for children like a nag. But you know,
as parents we have to step into that space of
you know, tough decision making, confronting decision making, and you know,
(04:39):
decision making because we're parents, so we have a responsibility
to these children. These children are looking at us, they
are modeling our behaviors. So you know your wife is Stella.
I mean, you talk about your wife a lot, and
she does a stellar job. And Tim, you're learning learning, well,
you are a work in progress.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Tim, I mean, I mean there's a whole separate conversation
about different parenting styles and all that sort of thing.
But what about I can't remember how old your kids are.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
Mine are a little bit beyond yours. So yeah, I
started pretty early with my kids and my daughter has
just finished school. She's my last one. I yes, yeah,
I have.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Stakes did you make and what did you get? Absolutely perfect? Well,
when it comes to.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
Device, my elder two are not necessarily addicted to social
media and devices. My younger two definitely would have had
more input with regard to that. And I guess, unlike you,
I'm quite good at sticking to rules because I think
that what were the rules, Well, the rules were you're
not having the past a certain time. They go on
the charger and they're not near your head, so they're
(05:42):
at the other end of the room, and I'm you know,
I was policing things a little bit. My third child,
a boy, definitely, you know, liked social media and phones
and devices much more than anyone else. Because if you
have four children, you're going to have a you know,
a breadth and depth of different behaviors because, as you know,
every child is different, they have different experiences, they bring
(06:05):
different personality trays to the table. So yeah, I mean,
I just found that having rules was important and enforcing
them was important. Also, I was not against having conversations
about anything. I mean, you know, my style of psychology
is communication is key, and having open pathways of communication
is has got to be a really good thing. So
(06:27):
I would ask them that what they were watching, and
you know, from time to time I would impose a
few checks if I had any Nigli feelings.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
That's interesting because I think, look, having your kids have
the ability these days, of course, our expectations are different.
When I was growing up, there weren't such a thing
as cell phones. You just when you were getting picked
up at the school gate or whatever, you just had
to be there. You know, we coped, but now expectations
are different. We live in a different world, and they
(06:57):
actually are fantastic communication device as well. But actually the
reason I'm not I don't stress as much about my
daughters and I do I worry about it, of course,
is that they don't actually have social media anyway, and
their communication methods are generally through WhatsApp. It's a little
(07:17):
bit social media riss in terms of you know, friends.
Speaker 3 (07:20):
Chats and connectivity.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Yeah, there's nothing where they are posting on Instagram or
Facebook or TikTok or whatever and waiting to see how
many people like what they do, which I think is
that's the first port of call where I think I'll
just keep away from that.
Speaker 3 (07:34):
Well, that's a little soul destroying, isn't it when you
when liking you strangers liking you? Because when we talk
about friends on social media, I mean people have these
hundreds and thousands of friends. They don't really know many
many of them. And if you are depending on those
likes to make you feel good about yourself, wow, that's
(07:56):
really really thinly veiled. So how well self esteem?
Speaker 2 (08:00):
How old were your kids when they got a device?
Speaker 3 (08:03):
There few so I did have children that were fairly sporty,
so I was picking up from practices and stuff like that,
and I think it was probably fifteen sixteen for the
older ones and maybe fourteen fifteen for the other two.
Mine my kids are in their twenties and my daughter
is it's eighteen and a half.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Some then, because someone would say high school, okay, you
can have one.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
But it's just for I think that a lot of
parents who have children that go to after school classes
or sports or do stuff probably like to know that
their children have that ability to contact them at their
leisure because there may be a safety aspect to that,
and definitely a communication aspect. But I guess I've been
(08:49):
on a few podcasts where people have asked me this
question and we've got it down to like twelve. But
even I think that's too young to have access to
social media, and arguably legally Instagram and Facebook they are
and above, so you're think, so I'm thinking that this
B four sixteen movement, it's not really a bad line
(09:13):
in the sand to draw on the.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Social media side of things. Yeah, phone side.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
Of things, the phone side of things, I think you
have to look at the individual situation because if kids
are you know, stuck at practices, you know, and you
need to have the ability to ring them if there
isn't a phone at that particular site or venue, then
I think, you know, but I mean, I'm thinking that
up to fifteen, I'm not sure why you would absolutely
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need that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Yeah, because a younger one got different, she got to
find the same time as her older sister.
Speaker 3 (09:45):
I think, well, that happens with yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
But the blurry thing that I struggle with, I think is,
you know, when I was a kid, i'd watch the TV,
whereas entertainment sometimes videos they can be on their phone,
but literally they might be watching a TV produm, watching
something on Disney.
Speaker 3 (10:04):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
I don't see that as quite device time in the
way that you might say being on social media or
you know what I mean, there's.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
A it is different. But the problem is that parents
don't know how their children's time is being utilized because
you might be on Netflix, or you might be posting
on Instagram. So parents unfortunately lack an awareness of content
and of what their child is being exposed to. So
(10:34):
I guess for me, as a parent of slightly older children,
certainly older than yours, I think we I had more
control because those days were littlely sophisticated in terms of
what was available.
Speaker 2 (10:46):
Actually, that is another point I doubt you're right. Yeah,
and these I mean there is more choice with phones,
but I mean you can still get your child a
dumb phone, as I call them, mam.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
You can, but not many people do because I think
they do the cost benefit analysis of that and think, well,
if we're getting them a phone, we may as well
get them this one, and then when they're that age
they can still have the phone, but access this that
It's it's really tough and as I said, not a
lot of checks and balances. Nothing's widely accepted in terms
of rules and regulations around this. And of course, Tim,
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we've talked about this before on the Parents Squad. You know,
each family has its distinctly different culture. There might be similarities,
you know in a socioeconomic you know grouping or you know,
a low geographical location grouping, but every family has its
own distinct flavor to their culture.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
We love your cause on this eight hundred eighty ten,
and we'd love you to join the conversation on you know,
what age do you think it's appropriate to give your
child a phone? I could say a device or whatever.
But let's face it, we're talking about something where you
can communicate. You can actually pick up the phone and
dial give us a call on one hundred eighty ten eighty.
(12:00):
But I guess the question is why did you give
them the phone? And when is the appropriate time and
also what controls you have in place. This conversation, by
the way, naturally does head in the direction of what
Australia has done with its social media ban and does
it bring that conversation this time of year? Does it
bring into focus for you as a parent that you
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think you know what the government can't act quickly enough
on this or not? I eight hundred eighty ten eighty
text nine two nine two. It's twenty past five, News
Talk said B. News Talk s B. This is a
(12:41):
parent squad with Sarah Chatwin and we're talking about well,
it's that time of year. You might have gone down
to some sale that's popped up on your phone from
some particular outlet and bought the phone because you think
time to get my child at their first phone. What
motivated it and what rules are you going to stick
around it? O eight hundred eighty ten eighty h Angela.
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Hello, Gooday, Hey going Angela, Hi Sarah, I am I
just have a driving and have a couple of hopefully
maybe some helpful tips mine like you just just starting
into the early twenties and I got a really great
suggestion from somebody and it worked really well. Was every
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time my girls when they first signed up to got
their phones and was signing up to like Justin Bieber
and Bloom and Miley Cyrus, is they actually also had
to sign up to a national geographic or one new.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Contract.
Speaker 5 (13:33):
So then yes, and they had to show us as
every time they signed up to one, Yeah, they signed
up to an information and now in the early twenties,
their feed is balanced. And then they'll say, oh, I
read that on the news on my phone and it's
actually kept their feed balanced and that yes, they have.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
To notifications from an educational site as well as from
Miley Cyrus's new album posting.
Speaker 5 (14:01):
Exactly every time they signed up when they first got
their phones to something crabs like teenage Things is they
also had to sign up to. And I've now got
one news, country calendar geographic popping up as well. And
it's just especially I think girls, where it does become
just so one dimensional. It's really how to keep their feeds.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
What about the social media feeds because it's one thing too,
you know, to be in groups of texting each other
and stuff. But what about social media because I'm quite
I mean, well I could still see TikTok through the web,
But what what was your approach to the social media
side of things? The facebooks, the Instagram's, the what have you?
What have you? Angela?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah, and and well what we did is with the
tiktoks and all that is it was it was one
thing at a time. It was just Facebook, okay, And
they did that for sort of a year or so,
and then it was like, okay, we're managing that. And
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then we would bring in like say a tech took
and all of that. And one thing that also helped
is all the devices got charged in the study.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Yes, that a lot of people do that. They actually
take that out.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
That's a rule from me for everyone. No charging your
phone in your bedroom.
Speaker 5 (15:21):
Yeah. Yeah, And the number of time, even my girls
down in twenties, they still charge their phones in the
study because they love this sleep and they hate being interrupted.
And yeah, but I did get caught out once they
had their first sleepover and my daughter. The first sleepover,
I didn't even think about it, and my daughter had
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said the next morning like, oh, one of the girls
was on his phone all night.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
And that's because different families have different rules and regulations
and there's a different family culture.
Speaker 5 (15:51):
Yeah, exactly. And then so then the next sleepover is
I was like, okay, guys, let's talked about it with
my daughter. And she didn't want to look like a
little nude. So I was like, I'll be the baddie.
And so I was like, okay, guys, our rule here
in our house is phones charged. Here in the kitchen.
I did, but one of the little buggers had one.
(16:15):
You've almost got to pat them down. I think it's
going to have to be the next step. But it's just, yeah,
it's been one step ahead. And also we all had
all the devices have the same passwords. As they get
as they get older, it is chicking your phones, but
it's not as much chicken on them. It's amazing what
you see walk through the door is very different. Like
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their little friend walks through the door to what's online
and you go on their device to see what their
friends are like online is sometimes very very different. So
we had. I love it.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Actually, did you did you have a moment where you
I mean, did you see stuff shared with your kids
where you went red flag?
Speaker 5 (17:01):
Definitely? Definitely, And what you see come through the door,
I would never have guessed it in a million years.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
That's an interesting comment.
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And then what you see online it was like, whoa,
hang on a minute, this is yep, yep, most definitely.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yeah, hey, thanks for your call, Angela. Actually that's one
of those I think one of the rules we had
was that we can look at your device anytime we want,
when we ask, and you're to give it to us
straight away.
Speaker 3 (17:28):
I mean, great rule, and that's part of your family
culture and that's embedded, I mean, your values are embedded
in those decisions that you're making. But Angela brought up
some really good points. I liked that balance that she
tried to and she did inevitably instill in her children
about Okay, you're going to look at this fun kind
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of stuff, then you have to look at this I
mean rightly wrongly. That was a pretty cool thing to
do to hold people accountable and to try and get
that social media balance like work life balance.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
I guess anyone with the sleepover because I think when
you don't know the parents and everything, I think I
would probably reach out to the parents and say, listen,
you know what's your policy on phones after bedtime?
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Well you have every right to ask.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Because yeah, because I think that's the thing. The reason
it was simpler in the old days. You didn't even
have to have these conversations. You might just say to
the what time you might say to them it's a sleepover.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
What time are they going to say?
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Times lights out as opposed to what times lights out?
Devices out? Blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
And it's you're also dealing with drinking too, now when
your kids go to parties in those in those in
those mid to later teenage years, when you have parents
priming their kids to drink by giving them drinks as
you know young as Oh god, I look at the.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Back at the parties I went to when I seventeen
and anyway, let's.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Not go there.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
But you were seventeen, so that's close to drinking age.
I mean, we're talking about kids where parents are giving
them drinks at thirteen and fourteen, So you know, hey,
But the other thing with these rules and the points
that Angela raised It's interesting, isn't it how family culture
dictates what goes on with the children. And she was
making the point of, you know, a child comes to
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your door and they look quite different than they do
on their online profiles. That's a little scary because that's
that social media fantasy versus reality kind of thing that
you've got going on there where you see young girls
and they just look like kids, and then on social
media when they're posing and putting the filters on and
distorting their images to make them, you know, look quite different.
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I mean, that is also pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Yes, And therefore that's a funny one though, because how
do you do you I mean, at what point do
you intervene in a way that you think, I don't
think I want my child to be friends with this person, because.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Well, I think you have as a parent the right
to guide your child.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
How do you how do you you have a conversation
if you don't like your child's choice of friends.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
But I mean, in social media can bring that out,
It can you really show sides of children that you
certainly don't want your kids to interact with. And I
guess that then as a parent, you have a responsibility
to have a very honest conversation with your child if
you see stuff that you know isn't okay for.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
You, actually you know one of those. There was something
that came to mind when we were talking with and
just before as well, but about the access to devices,
as if you that's the constant thing you having to
push back against. And I as I, as I was
thinking about that, I suddenly realized what a great thing
my wife did in an early day. In the early
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days was my kids loved books. And they all have
the book habit. They love their devices as well.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But equally they like a book.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
What's the thing if Anne Marie says, look, girls, it's
time to put your book, to put your phones down
and go read a book, they'll basically do it, even if,
and even if there's a little bit of resistance because
I'm finished being part of that chat group.
Speaker 3 (21:12):
For them, I get it.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
They've got there. They've literally got that option. A few
minutes later, they're reading a book and they're happy. Whereas
if you I think that's one of the best things.
It sounds so holy in now, doesn't it. But if
you're not, really but get your kids into reading, because
if they've got that as an activity they enjoy. It's
an alternative to just complaining about the fact they're not
on their phone.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Hey, I don't think it sounds holier than they are,
to be honest, I think that's what we all used
to do before the onslaught of social media and devices.
I think that was just part of our you know,
and that was a really you know, relevant option for kids,
as was you know, going outside and playing, as was resting,
(21:55):
as was you know, sitting in the lounge with your
family and chatting or you know, chatting to a friend
that you had over. I mean, I think it's really
sad that we say things like this. Sounds silly to say,
read a book that was stuff that is so good
for you, and it just used to be so accessible
and easy.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
What I mean is it's pompous because you know, I've
got to give my wife the credit for that, and
I loved reading to the kids. But she really made
a great effort, you know, and she's because she's a teacher.
Speaker 3 (22:24):
She had she sees the value of it.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
She had an instant, she had an instant buying to what
books kids enjoy reading. You know, there were series of
books which were popular and she just fed them a
steady diet of books that they and I I mean
I wasn't not part of it, but she drove that
really effectively. And I just think, if you have got
the chance as a parent, just get get them into books, box, box,
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box books.
Speaker 3 (22:50):
And I would say for me, books, exercise, activity, play,
things that stimulate that, you know, neuroplasticity, that brain work.
You know, hey, got to bring the psychology back into
this outlast. It's so buzzwords.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Neuroplasticity, right, I'm going to try.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
I don't think you can spell.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
That neuroplasticity any U R O P L A S
T I C I T Y Oh.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
I think you got it? Oh nailed it?
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Boom fast eat my hair? SORRYT hello?
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeah yeah. Neuro brain and plastics at ev and fast thing.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Yeah, flexible brain, flexible thinking. I think it something.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
And that is this is the thing that comes I
was just swinging about their kids. It wasn't I've sort
of extended it beyond the alcohol side that because you
mentioned alcohol is and I turned on. But I think
the thing is, I mean, I've got two sons and
two step kids and they're all sort of thirties and forties.
And I think it's all very well to say, yeah,
k re re retaken down the library, But kids are
a reflection of their parents. Maybe not initially, but you
(24:02):
know it because on the early sort of twenties and
what have you, they're sort of finding their own they're
growing their own brain. But all you can do is
instill some of those practices in them, and you've got
to practice what you preach. You can't say to you
could go and read and then go and watch the
telly or where your laptop or something. Do you know
what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (24:22):
Quite successfully, I think that's right because children are watching
their parents, They are role modeling, they are seeing what
their parents do. So I do agree with that, but
I think you will find that there's a very strong
correlation between parents who suggest reading to their children and
the fact that they probably do themselves to a certain extentence.
Speaker 4 (24:41):
And you've got to let them within the bounds, and recently,
of course, you've got to let them read what they
want rather than what you think they should be reading.
And I just wanted to take that to the alcohol
as well, which was the initial reason for the call.
I mean, if you're growing up in a boozy environment.
Then unless you reject that way of doing of living life,
then you will be a boozehound' That's my feeling anyway.
(25:05):
I've never been a huge drinker, basically because I've driven
most of my life and I've seen alcohol and how
it affects other but both all four of my kids,
with the exception of one, if we don't talk except
that they I mean, in the words of the daughter,
I don't like drinking too much because I don't like
how it makes me feel.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Interestingly, nick, I think we can probably say this topic
for another day, but we've done this a bit on
other hours of talkback. Is I'm not sure that this generation, Okay,
there's always a problem with people who attracted to our
column binge drinking, but I'm wondering for this generation and
not actually going to have the problem of their of
the older generations with alcohol that we fear they might,
(25:49):
because not so many are drinking.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
I'll tell you for why, because in our generation, I
grew up with Dean Martin being the boozer and cracking
jokes and you know, and if you watch movies on TV,
it was funny.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
He was drunk and funny.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well he wasn't drunk, he drank careful.
I mean, you know, his best joke I think was
you haven't been drunk until an eye on the floor
without holding on. And this is funny. But when the
kids hear that, oh, I got to get drunk, it
sounds hilarious. And I don't think we've had so much
of that these days.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
No, I think that's that's a good point actually, I mean,
although we divert the conversation to something completely different, I think.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
The research would substantiate the fact that if you are
growing up in a household where you have heavy drinking parents,
that kids will gravitate towards those behaviors. Certainly parents that
give their children alcohol early. The research says that that's
just priming the child to be a drinker, whereas parents say, oh, no,
we're allowing them to drink in a safe environment. No,
(26:51):
you're actually priming them to drink because there is no reason.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Yeah, that's that's the French. People often go, oh, the
French give their.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Children, Well you can, but actually, yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:00):
France has one of the highest levels of alcoholics.
Speaker 3 (27:02):
Yes, so if you need validation, you'll find anything but
I also do think that today parents perhaps are a
little aware of those implications. And I still think there
are a lot of parents out there that don't get
it with regard to priming their kids to you know,
using alcohol.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Actually, Johnny's just texted saying, hey, Tim, I found that
comic's a good way to get kids into reading.
Speaker 3 (27:24):
Cheers Johnny to begin with, Yeah, if they're good, you
know nice.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
I used to read asterisks.
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Yeah, I love I did too, I love that. And
what's that other one? I think my siblings or cousins
liked tintin those.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Very I used to read asterix and.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Okay, that was the guy with the blonde hair and
the little dog, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
It's originally a French cartoon as asterisks, because the bond
descinays they're known in France that they are. There's a
massive cartoon culture.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
But I also disagree a little with the caller in
terms of I don't think you, as a parent you
should dictate what your children should read. But I do
think making helpful suggestions helps.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Well, if your mum buys your asterisks, pts them in
front of you and you start reading it, you're a
way Okay, I mean what I mean, you've made a choice,
but you're literally happy, Merry Christmas, happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
Yeah, but I have had just recently, I've seen children who,
you know, I've been reading the David Williams books because
they're so much fun, and their parents were just getting
a little bit sick of that, so they inter spursed
them with I think it was similar, you know, David
Attenborough kind of stuff, the Two Davids, and that was
a nice little balance of nature and fun.
Speaker 2 (28:35):
And you know, actually it's funny. The Orthodonis my daughter
was going to last year. They had asterisks in the
they had the asterisk and the reception and it's amazing
because it's decades since I rad. Yeah, absolutely, and I could.
I still remembered many of the lines and the jokes
and things because I actually answered, you're a fan. What
I study? Had to study Latin when I was at school,
(28:56):
and when I was about twelve years old, I once
answered a question in a Latin exam because of something
I'd learned from Asterix.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
You're a groupie. You're you're read groupie status.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Fun fact. I actually am reading it again now, but
I'm learning it. I'm reading the French versions. Hey, because
that's my hobby. But that's completely nothing to do with
what we're talking about. In fact, we'll come back and
we're going to have a chat about that. We're going
to move it on to the not move it on,
but we're going to extend the conversation to should we
be is it a no brain of that? New Zealand
(29:26):
will follow, broadly speaking, the lead of Australia. Other countries
are having the conversation banning social media for those under sixteen?
Would you support it? Yes, and we'll discuss the reasons why.
Exactly oh eight hundred and eighty ten eighty back in
a minte Yes News talks. They'll be with Sarah chat
(29:56):
when talking about well, we started talking about devices and
we've gone all over the place since then. But anyway,
maybe that's my faults.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
Labyrinth your mind.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
Thank you for that.
Speaker 5 (30:04):
It is.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
It's a circus in there, and thank you for the
text too, says tinton Is Belgium, not French.
Speaker 3 (30:11):
Okay, close, Hey, we were close.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
We were close.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
We were almost perfect, but not quite moist.
Speaker 2 (30:17):
It's like thinking the Battle of Waterloo was in France
when it was actually in Belgium as well. Belgium right,
and now, actually let's get on to that. The social
media band that Australia has done, this is one I think. Look,
let's be honest. If you're getting your kid a device,
the main reason you're thinking twice about it as social media,
isn't it. I mean the fact that they can call
(30:37):
and text their friends. You know, we had the phone.
I used to call my friends all the time when
I was growing up, talk for ages. That's not the problem.
It's social media and that's what we're worried about. What
do you reckon?
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Oh look, I think kids can do without it before
sixteen if you want my view as a psychologist, because
I think if you look at the amount of bullying
that goes on on these platforms, if you are.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
The peers, you would see it absolutely share too many stories.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
No no, no, I won't hearing any personal stories in
ters of my client. Yeah. Absolutely, But if you were
a parent with a child that is experiencing online bullying,
you would go before sixteen is awesome. If you were
a parent of a child who has self harmed or
attempted suicide or committed suicide because of these platforms and
(31:30):
device usage and what's going on and needing the likes
and feeling so low of self esteem you would think
before sixteen was awesome. So there are many reasons why
I think I can understand how we've got here. I
did have you a broadcast to say to me, but
you know, why does the government need to get involved? Well,
I guess because parents aren't cutting it.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Oh, look, why does the government need to get involved?
Speaker 4 (31:53):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
That's an argument for no laws ever, because let's just
all suit ourselves according to our own whims and needs.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
But which doesn't really which amounts to nothing but chaos.
Speaker 2 (32:05):
I mean, that's an interesting philosophical question. But we have
laws around young people drinking, yes, and I guess you
can give your child alcohol at home, but there are
signals that are sent about what is accept a good idea.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Or yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I mean I think social
media needs to fall under that umbrella.
Speaker 2 (32:26):
Absolutely.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
It probably needs to be viewed in the same light
as drinking, smoking, vaping, because I honestly tim if you
talked to parents who have had children so badly impacted
upon by this kind of stuff, they would go, you know,
before twenty one would be more likely. And I mean
that's the sad reality of how some kids can go
(32:48):
down those rabbit holes, you know, and they just can't
get out.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
I think I would say that what the government does
this year, I think it's a foun i reckon, it's
a foe gun conclusion. They are going to ban some
social media websites because as a president in Australia, I
think the discussion is simply going to be whether they
have the same websites included, because one I actually did
think was a funny one was YouTube, because I've seen
(33:13):
a truckload of YouTube videos on nature and educational sort
of things, and I sort of think that's a tricky one.
But then again, then again, it's only until sixteen.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
Yeah, exactly. I mean, what's the rush? I mean, I
just I just think that sometimes people take the approach that, hey,
you know, that censorship and but these are kids and
they are developing and forming and they need to have
a you know, take a breath, have a chance, you know,
and grow and they definitely do not need a lot
(33:50):
of this content in front of their eyes, nor do
they need the algorithms drawing them in or the additional
things that crop up that are very unrelated. When your
child visits excited.
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Why site, that's actually why they I mean, I'm not
a huge Apple fan only, but of course Google has
apps so you can use regardless of which it platform
you're on. But Apple has like my wife can track
my daughter's iPhone and sort that out, but I can't.
But there are apps like I think there's an app
called three sixty and things where you can check out
what your kids are doing, where they are at all times,
(34:21):
and what they've been doing and look, you know now,
I think that that would be It's not a bad idea,
is it.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Yeah? I mean again, I think that's a personal choice
with regard to family and culture and what the parents
feel is acceptable and what they want in terms of,
you know, knowing where their children are and what they're
doing and all the rest of it. There are many
ways of keeping it keeping I'm not sure it's.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
Going to be going away. I don't think it's going
to be last time we talk about this.
Speaker 3 (34:46):
So I don't think it is either.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
Tim anyway, I love you to see you.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Oh, it's nice to see you too, always as always.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
And that wraps the parents squad for today because we're
going to be covering sport with Kobe Marati is going
to be in with us in just a moment to
talk sport and we'll be aking just to take it.
What is it eleven and a half minut it's to
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Speaker 2 (35:14):
Actually that weekend sports, the sports rap sting matches. What
we're going to be talking about with news talks HEB
sport reporter Kobe Murati, who's with us a cab. How
are you going?
Speaker 4 (35:24):
Ten one?
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Good? Thanks mate, Because there's lots of tennis sound effects.
Speaker 6 (35:27):
There's a lot of tennis. It's a sweltering ripsnorder of
a day. Day seven that the Australian Open. They've had
to close a few of the outdoor courts because it's
so hot. But on on Rod Lavor, we've got the
second seed going for his third title in the row.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
In Youllick Center.
Speaker 6 (35:42):
What have we got now is up up two sets
to one, down three to two in the in the
in the fourth game. But yeah, I would say that's
that's a highlight for the weekend.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
What's the vibe of the tournament is there? Is it
a fairly exit? I've been had times right tun in
and out and sometimes I'm right into it. And I've
actually been to the Tennis Open back when I was
living in Melbourne, sort of wandered around aimlessly and saw
a couple of games on those general generic passes. But
it is it's quite amazing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's enormous.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
There's I mean, all all the best go tonight. Novak
Djokovic is going for what I mean at the tournament.
He's going for his eleventh Australian Open title, which is
just ridiculous. He's on tonight, He's gone through the first
two round straight sets easy as.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
He's looking pretty good, isn't he.
Speaker 6 (36:27):
He shouldn't look like good for being thirty eight. No,
he looks like he's sort of twenty three, twenty four?
Speaker 2 (36:32):
Yeah, who are who are?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
So?
Speaker 2 (36:34):
Where are we out in terms of favorites and who's
who's you know, who's in the running? Still them?
Speaker 6 (36:39):
Yeah, all the men's favorites are in that Youngick center
on now. Krlos Alkaath is going through fine, Djokovic is
still and he's the four seeds. I mean, I would
say those are the those are three favorites.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
Who would you mat if you're going to Carlos Our
crowd threat versus sinner. Yeah, well, actually who do you
who's your favorite? Do you think to take it out
favor because I have a suspicion that Djokovic is going
to do it for some reason other than nothing more
than just a hunch.
Speaker 6 (37:06):
Well, like I said, like his eleventh and there's twenty fifth,
like his twenty fifth Grand Slam title, Like, that's pretty ridiculous,
So hard to rule him out. But again, Youngickson is
one of the last two years, so you know, back
to back to back, you'd think that'd be pretty like.
Speaker 2 (37:19):
We have any sense on whose crowd favorites are because
Carlos is pretty popular, isn't he.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (37:25):
I don't think there's any real public enemies. I think
Ben Shelton, the American that came to the ACEP Classic,
he's probably made a bit of an enemy himself in
past sort of hand gestures and yelling after you do.
I don't know if he is that guy, but he's definitely.
It definitely pushes sort of the boundaries of what tennis
players can do on court, similar to Nick Curios.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
The center of playing right now and he is what
is he?
Speaker 6 (37:51):
Two?
Speaker 2 (37:51):
One up?
Speaker 4 (37:52):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (37:52):
And the just down three to two in the fourth game.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
Yeah, okay, fourth game. Hey, so we've also got the
the Classic Sam Ruth.
Speaker 6 (38:02):
Yes, and again we've got another Battle of the SAMs.
So yeah, Cooks Classic today or tonight. Actually they're doing
the mile Sam Ruth, the younger one is going for
the sixteen year old record, which is currently held by
an Australian. It's three minutes fifty five.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
Point four to four six. Sorry, what's the event?
Speaker 6 (38:20):
The Cooks Classic in the mile mile all laps of the
four hundred meter?
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Isn't that amazing? Maybe? I still I'm old enough to
remember the days of the when I think it was
John Walker he was the first to clock up one
hundred sub for minute miles. But you know when that
was this huge goal? What's it? Bannerman? I think I
wasn't around then. Yeah, But the fact that a sixteen
year old, what time are we looking at?
Speaker 6 (38:42):
He's trying to break three minutes fifty five point four
to four seconds, which is pretty outrageous.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
And we what do we rate of as chances?
Speaker 6 (38:50):
Well, he's running with Sam Tanner, so they kind of
just they run off each other, you know that they
thrive of each other's energy. I would say he'll do it.
Sam's looking to break his three forty nine PB and
he'd be the fifth sub form minute mile.
Speaker 2 (39:05):
It Cooks Garden and Sam Tanner. He's twenty five. That's
young for a middle distance for a runner, isn't it.
Don't they sort of get into their prime even older
than that?
Speaker 5 (39:15):
Is he?
Speaker 4 (39:16):
Or is he?
Speaker 2 (39:17):
I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (39:18):
If it's crime year, he's probably pushing into it. He's
already been his Olympics twice, which.
Speaker 2 (39:21):
Yeah, but I mean, I mean it's you can I
don't know. I have in my mind that sort of
thirty is more of the age where you get rock
and rolling. What's Sam Ruth sixteen? It's really jealous.
Speaker 6 (39:31):
Its modern science. You can probably go to your forty
forty five jo.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
Is he going to do it?
Speaker 1 (39:35):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (39:36):
Okay, christ Kopi Murati has called it now. Sam Ruth
is going to break the world record for the sixteen
year old six sixteen year old mile. Well, we'll be
keeping our on that, no doubt. You'll hear about it.
Than news Hey, good to see him, mate, Jis Thanks
so much. That is the sports rap. We'll be back tomorrow.
We've got David Seymour joining us for politics and also
for the Health Hub. Brian Betty's with us and we're
(39:57):
gonna do tune in for that. We're going to talk
about do you need a family? Do you need your
own personal GP? Are those days gone? And how do
you go choosing a GP? And Martin Hawes is with
us for smart money as well. All that on the
Weekend collect tomorrow thanks to my producer Locke. We'll catch
again same time tomorrow. Have a great day, Roman Travis.
(40:18):
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