March 11, 2025 • 17 mins
On this episode of Move the Sticks, Bucky Brooks and Lance Zierlein react to the beginning of free agency! The guys explain how certain moves may have dictated where Shedeur Sanders will get drafted and weigh in on Myles Garrett having a change of heart after the Browns made him the highest-paid non-QB in NFL history. The Bears are building in the trenches and have gone all-in on upgrading their offensive line but they may not be done just yet!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody's Bucky Brooks and Lance z represent to day on
the Movie six podcasts.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Lance, what is going on? How you hold it up?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In this free agent friends?
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Oh? Man, it started off hot and heavy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I was like, man, it didn't with all the trades
that got it kicked off.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I was like the pre pre free.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Agency, and you got DK moving, and you got Geno moving,
and the quarterback carousels shuffling. And then here in Houston,
you know, you got off of Laramie Tunsel and the
trade and all these free agent signings are coming in.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
It's crazy to see, like how quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The money has escalated at so many positions. It's like,
I can't even process Daniel Jones getting fourteen million. But
then when you look, you know at backup rates, especially
backups who may have a chance to start.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Like, that's what backup quarterbacks make.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Now you get at you get fourteen million, that's not
a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, that's that's what they make. That's what they're
always gonna make.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's kind of crazy, right because you think about the
money that Justin Fields got from the Jets, which puts
him at twenty million per Look, you gotta guaranteed I
love it. But he is the lowest paid starter of
anyone that's not a rookie. And then Daniel Jones goes
into Naptown competing with Anthony Richardson, and you got to
think that he is on the inside track to win
(01:30):
that job. He's making fourteen million dollars. You have Geno
Smith swapped out in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Donald comes
in to Seattle and basically signs the Baker Mayfield contract
plus a little a little extra little sprinkle on top.
It's Look, it's crazy to think about, like the quarterback carousel,
(01:52):
how it's spinning and we're still waiting to see what
Pittsburgh and New York are going to do respectively. In
the names that you hear out here, Russell Wilson, you
have Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I don't know if there's
anybody else outside of that. If I'm Russell Wilson, I'm
you know how we used to play that musical chairs, Yeah,
on the yard and they get the one chair and
they're spinning around. Yeah, they better hurry up and figure
(02:14):
it out because not many seats left for the dance.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, no, there's not, and you know, they gotta they
gotta get this thing, like Rogers going to Pittsburgh. It
feels like it's a done I mean, I don't, I
don't want to say done deal, but it's feeling like
there's just you're out of you're out of spots, you're
out of chairs, as you said, and you're out of
people playing the game.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
So if Aaron gets that last spot, I.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Don't I don't know what happens to uh, you know,
I don't know what happens to to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I don't know where Russ Russ goes.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He'll have to go somewhere where he's got a chance
to compete as a starter, or he's got.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
A chance to be a really above average.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Backup, a good backup who can step in and start
and maybe win some games for you. So it'll be
interesting to see. I know this though, but it's you know,
the Geno Smith move for the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I thought that was interesting. I don't know if that
says something about their thoughts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
About shod Or Sanders, if if they don't think Shador
is the guy that they want to target and they
want to bridge quarterback for the next you know, a
couple of years, a year so that they can kick
the can down the road for a quarterback, maybe in
a in a different round other than first round, or
maybe in a different year. I don't know if it means, hey,
let's put him here and we'll still draft Shad or
Sanders sixth. You know, the conversations that I got into
(03:32):
at the combine, I just didn't find the NFL teams.
It wasn't really about attitude. It was really about they
just they had a second round or third round.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Great on them, and that's that's that's bananas. But look
it only it only takes one, Yeah, it is. It
is funny though, because of the conversation and we'll have
this extended conversation on these quarterbacks. It's so interesting to
me to hear the conversation about Shador Sanders and people say, oh,
he doesn't have this, but then the that Tyler Shutt
(04:01):
is getting over whatever, and I'm like, man, if you
look at their collech's careers, it's not even close in
terms of the production and what they've accomplished. But here's
where we are at this state of the process. And
it's funny you brought up Shaduur Sanders. I feel like
every podcast has to do it. But Lance, what if
I told you that, I'm looking at the move that
the Cleveland Browns made to acquire Kenny Pickett. Yeah, and
(04:23):
it leads me to believe that Shaduur Sanders would be
the pick for them when they take a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I don't know that they do it with the second pick,
but see in my last mock, I had them taking
Travis Hunter and then moving back into the first because
they have two third round picks, So I had them
moving back in the first and taking Shador Sanders, you
know in the twenties.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I actually could see that. I actually could see that,
because then you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Got you got a chance to have a real competition,
and you really you want in that situation, I think
you would want Shador to win that job. A lot
of times you want quarterback, you know, to sit behind veterans.
That could be the case in Cleveland. It gives you
the option either way if that were to happen, If
you draft should door with the second pick of the draft,
(05:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If it changes how you approach the quarterback situation. I mean,
it's never a bad thing for a rookie to get
sometimes with mental reps on the bench and kind of
but the one different, the thing that's different with Shaudors
I think he's he's wired a little.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Differently than some of these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think he's actually he's a guy who I think
has a lot of confidence. I don't think he's easily shaken.
So I mean, to me, I think should Or Sanders
maybe could handle man. There's always the speed of the
game and the x's and o's and stuff like that.
It's gonna be hard for any any rookie. But sometimes
I feel like should Or Sanders might be able to
(05:50):
handle a little more of the pressure of the glare
than maybe any of the other quarterbacks in this draft.
It's one of the things that I kind of like
about him. Doesn't have an elite arm, doesn't even have
I think he has a very average arm, but he
throws with accuracy. It's just it's gonna be interesting to
see where he goes. But I did wonder, though, to
(06:10):
keep it to put it back in free agency, Buck,
I did wonder how many of these moves were directly
tied to looking at this quarterback draft and saying, uh,
we're gonna pass this year, or we're gonna pass in
the first round. Then all bets are off in the
second or third round. You know, I don't I don't know.
I don't know how that plays out, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So I do think the run on quarterbacks that we've
seen in free agency is a direct, kind of direct
reaction to what everyone had a chance to see from
the quarterbacks of the combine.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The reason why I mentioned Kenny Pickett maybe paving the
way for shir Dr Sanders to go there had little
to do with the pick, whether it's the second pick
or whatever. Stylistically, a lot of times you see people
stacked a quarterback room with similar types. And so when
you see the Browns move off of dtr athletic playmaker,
they send him out, they bring Kenny Pickett in, who's
(07:09):
more of a.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Traditional pocket passer.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Maybe this is Kevin Stefanski saying, hey, let's ready our playbook,
let's ready our scheme for someone that is more of
a traditional passer as opposed to what we had in
the past, where we had these athletic quarterbacks, and you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Know, they kind of had a Hodgepies.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They had Deshaun who was athletic, Jameis dtr and none
of the pieces fit. Maybe this is Kevin Stefanski saying, Hey,
I want to make sure everybody in this room is
kind of similarly skilled, so I don't have to do
multiple learning, create multiple playbooks for our offense to operate
if one of those guys is not in the lineup, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Let's get intel. That's a that's a good way to
think of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And you don't know. This is Kenny Pickett's fourth year.
I think he had two of Pittsburgh won last year.
You know, Kenny kind of came out of nowhere. He
was one year wonder out of pit. The numbers is
last year didn't match.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Any of the other numbers. They were crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And so maybe he's a guy that kind of gets
it a little bit now in year four. Maybe he's
ready to, you know, to be a bridge quarterback for
another quarterback coming. I don't know if he's ready to
pull a full on Saam Darnold, but you never know, I.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Mean you never know. I mean he did have some
talent coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
There was I thought the poise was something in the
pocket that kind of bothered me a little bit coming
out of college. I didn't think he handled it great
in Pittsburgh, but that was a lot to put.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
On his plate in Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
There are some really big wide receiver personalities in that room.
They can make it a little tougher on quarterbacks sometime
as well.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
So you never know. You never know. But free agency
is off.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And running, and man, these numbers are crazy. What do
you think about Miles Garrett resigning? I thought he was like, oh, you.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Mean the guy who said he never gonna put the
uniform on.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, funny Lance, It's funny when they slide that big
old check over there.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Amazing on a lot of things that you said, Oh
you know, I'm out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I need to be with a winner.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
That the contender got a Lance, we'll pay you.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
For you for Hey, you know what, I'm back. I
love it here. I would never leave Lake Erie. This
is what I've always wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Grace, guys and and snow like, this is a perfect
place for me to build a family.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And but Bruce down, I'm exact.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think. Look, I never thought the Cleveland Browns were going.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
To move off of Miles Garrett when you talked about
the kind of talent that he is. I mean, what
four straight seasons where he's had over fifteen fourteen or
fifteen sacks.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's been a dominant player.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
He is one of the guys that we absolutely can
put the generational talent tag on. He's been as advertised
for the Browns, and I understand why they wanted to
pay him.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And I also understood why when.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They give you eighty eight million dollars to sign, why
you signed it right away And You're like, yeah, I
don't know if I'm ever going win, but I'm certainly
gonna be uh rich rich and I may have a
chance to go down the street and and and and
kind of find a new bust in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So I understand that part of it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know, I really wonder if he just said, if
he came to the realization that Cleveland wasn't gonna move him,
and he just said, I might as well take a.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Bunch of money, then, you know, I mean, because.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I do, I can't see how he would want to
get out and try and see what it's like to
win to win at a high a higher level, because
it doesn't. It feels like Cleveland's got a lot of
a lot of work to do right now there, so
give so many picks. I mean that Sean Watson stuff
was just such a killer for that organization. And I
(10:43):
can see him wanting to get out. Man, I can't
I understand it. He wants to go out and have
a chance.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
But uh, I.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Mean, if you don't think you're going to you might
as well take you might as well take that that payday.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
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Speaker 3 (11:02):
Lance, I'm gonna get on you because I know this
used to be your man before he became the.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
GM of the Chicago Bears. The Bears have gone all
in on trying to upgrade their squad.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So let's talk about what the Bears have done in
free agency, whether you like it or not. The first
thing they went out and did they upgraded the offensive line.
Acquired Jonah Jackson be a trade from the Rams for
a six round pick. Joe Thuni comes over in a
trade from the Chiefs for a fourth round pick in
twenty twenty six. Drew Dolman his son three year, forty
two million dollars contract, twenty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Lance Your boy Ryan Poles has been listening.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He's been listening to X He's been listening to the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He's trying to fix the offensive line so that this
team can pop.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What do you think about what the moves?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, you know, protect Kayla Williams or you're gone
at the end of the year. I mean, I think
I think he's one of the gms that is in
the crosshairs right now and he needs to win. He
needs to show growth. And the best way to do
that is show that the guy you drafted first ahead
of Jayden Daniels is up there in the same category
with Jayden Daniels. And the best way to do that
(12:10):
is before you can tell if he is or not,
you got to protect him and you got to give
him a chance.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Now, he's got to stop hanging on the ball so.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Long and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
But you know, you you added good football players.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I think Jonah Jackson is solid.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
You know, Joe Toney is a good guard. He'll be
a good player for you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Drew Dolman allows you to He's a zone scheme center
who can get out in space and get to angles
and and I think he can help the run game
from his own scheme standpoint. Ben Johnson, I would assume
had maybe some say in these guys.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know if he really got in there, and
if he even has an opinion on offensive line, I
don't know. But you know, because Drew Dolmen is a
is his zone scheme center, I think that that kind
of tells you what they're going to uh, what they're
going to be heavy into in Chicago. But I like
it for Ryan Pols because you didn't give up any
first round picks, you had a lot of money to spend.
(13:05):
You immediately went after the offensive line. If you want
to really swing the sword, you can go at the
first You can go at an offensive lineman in the
first round with the UH with the tenth pick, or
maybe Trey Back still get a left tackle if you
want to put competition over there at the left tackle spot.
Or you know now you are close enough to being
(13:26):
where you need to be that you can maybe wait
a full round, maybe even two rounds before you attack
another tackle position. I still think I still think they
need competition at the left tackle spot. So it wouldn't
shock me if they looked at tackle with the first
round pick.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But I like it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean, he's given us, he's given himself a chance,
he's got some weapons on offense. Polls I'm talking about
and now Caleb Williams. Now now I will say the
wide receiver spot. It will also be interesting to see
what they do a wide receiver because DJ Moore didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Do a whole lot. Keenan Allen's best days are gone obviously.
Roma Dunza is the dude, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I think they'll look I think they'll look at tightening
up the wide receiver spot as well.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But I like it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I mean, you knew it wasn't where it needed to be.
We got money to spend, let's go get some guys.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, So I like it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
In terms of Ben Johnson leaning into what made them
successful in Detroit, I think it's really important as a
head coach and play caller that you know the ingredients
that served you well in Detroit. Detroit became the monster
because of that offensive line being able to dominate. They
have versatility up front that could go from zone scheme
to gap skiing. They could bully you at the point
of attack because they had some monsters and these are
(14:41):
solid players.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I can't say that they're the bullies that he left.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In Motown, but it certainly gives them an opportunity to
be who they want to be. On offense, you're playing
in the Windy City. You're dealing with the elements. You're
also dealing with the division that prize itself in physicality
and toughness. The only way to beat the bullies is
you got to be able to hit the bully in
the mouth.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
A better served to hit the bully in their mouth.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And oh, by the way, they might have set their
quarterback up for more success because they finally have an
offensive line and they may have a commitment to the
running game. They should allow Caleb Williams to have success
and Grady Jarrett.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
They added Grady Jarrett in the middle too, So I
know it's I know it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It's on the other side, we're still talking trench football
because the Lions, you know, build the trenches.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Build the trenches both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And let's go get a Jamier Gibbs and A and
A and a MC David Montgomery, let's go wreck you.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And that's kind of what you know. They've got all
the right little pieces in place and so, but but
it starts in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's that's where the uh that's where the heart and
soul of teams a lot of times beat and you
got to get that right. And I think Ryan Poles
was doing everything he can't. It may it may work,
it may not work, but he needs it to work
right away for job security. I don't think there's any
question about that.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It absolutely has to work.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I would say this, I think if you pair
uh DeAndre Swift with maybe a guy like Caleb Johnson
that blend someone that is more like David Montgomery to
Jamior Gibbs, that might work.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
How about dreaming Me?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
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I love having conversations. I have to make this an
abbreviated one because it's gotta go jump on free agent friends.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So here's what we can do.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We're gonna work it out where we come back and
we kind of complete the podcast because I feel like
we kind of cheated the people.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There's so many moves.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But after Wednesday, we'll at least know where most of
the movers and shakers are going. So maybe late in
the week, me and you hop back on the podcast
and kind of scrimmage it all out and talk about
the moves that we're there and you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Too.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
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Speaker 2 (16:54):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
What's up?
Speaker 3 (00:07):
Everybody's Bucky Brooks and Lance z represent to day on
the Movie six podcasts.
Speaker 4 (00:13):
Lance, what is going on? How you hold it up?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
In this free agent friends?
Speaker 5 (00:17):
Oh? Man, it started off hot and heavy.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
I was like, man, it didn't with all the trades
that got it kicked off.
Speaker 5 (00:26):
I was like the pre pre free.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Agency, and you got DK moving, and you got Geno moving,
and the quarterback carousels shuffling. And then here in Houston,
you know, you got off of Laramie Tunsel and the
trade and all these free agent signings are coming in.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
It's crazy to see, like how quickly.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
The money has escalated at so many positions. It's like,
I can't even process Daniel Jones getting fourteen million. But
then when you look, you know at backup rates, especially
backups who may have a chance to start.
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Like, that's what backup quarterbacks make.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Now you get at you get fourteen million, that's not
a problem.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
I mean, that's that's what they make. That's what they're
always gonna make.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
It's kind of crazy, right because you think about the
money that Justin Fields got from the Jets, which puts
him at twenty million per Look, you gotta guaranteed I
love it. But he is the lowest paid starter of
anyone that's not a rookie. And then Daniel Jones goes
into Naptown competing with Anthony Richardson, and you got to
think that he is on the inside track to win
(01:30):
that job. He's making fourteen million dollars. You have Geno
Smith swapped out in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Donald comes
in to Seattle and basically signs the Baker Mayfield contract
plus a little a little extra little sprinkle on top.
It's Look, it's crazy to think about, like the quarterback carousel,
(01:52):
how it's spinning and we're still waiting to see what
Pittsburgh and New York are going to do respectively. In
the names that you hear out here, Russell Wilson, you
have Aaron Rodgers. I mean, I don't know if there's
anybody else outside of that. If I'm Russell Wilson, I'm
you know how we used to play that musical chairs, Yeah,
on the yard and they get the one chair and
they're spinning around. Yeah, they better hurry up and figure
(02:14):
it out because not many seats left for the dance.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
No, no, there's not, and you know, they gotta they
gotta get this thing, like Rogers going to Pittsburgh. It
feels like it's a done I mean, I don't, I
don't want to say done deal, but it's feeling like
there's just you're out of you're out of spots, you're
out of chairs, as you said, and you're out of
people playing the game.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
So if Aaron gets that last spot, I.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Don't I don't know what happens to uh, you know,
I don't know what happens to to Russell Wilson.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (02:43):
I don't know where Russ Russ goes.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
He'll have to go somewhere where he's got a chance
to compete as a starter, or he's got.
Speaker 5 (02:51):
A chance to be a really above average.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Backup, a good backup who can step in and start
and maybe win some games for you. So it'll be
interesting to see. I know this though, but it's you know,
the Geno Smith move for the Raiders.
Speaker 5 (03:06):
I thought that was interesting. I don't know if that
says something about their thoughts.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
About shod Or Sanders, if if they don't think Shador
is the guy that they want to target and they
want to bridge quarterback for the next you know, a
couple of years, a year so that they can kick
the can down the road for a quarterback, maybe in
a in a different round other than first round, or
maybe in a different year. I don't know if it means, hey,
let's put him here and we'll still draft Shad or
Sanders sixth. You know, the conversations that I got into
(03:32):
at the combine, I just didn't find the NFL teams.
It wasn't really about attitude. It was really about they
just they had a second round or third round.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Great on them, and that's that's that's bananas. But look
it only it only takes one, Yeah, it is. It
is funny though, because of the conversation and we'll have
this extended conversation on these quarterbacks. It's so interesting to
me to hear the conversation about Shador Sanders and people say, oh,
he doesn't have this, but then the that Tyler Shutt
(04:01):
is getting over whatever, and I'm like, man, if you
look at their collech's careers, it's not even close in
terms of the production and what they've accomplished. But here's
where we are at this state of the process. And
it's funny you brought up Shaduur Sanders. I feel like
every podcast has to do it. But Lance, what if
I told you that, I'm looking at the move that
the Cleveland Browns made to acquire Kenny Pickett. Yeah, and
(04:23):
it leads me to believe that Shaduur Sanders would be
the pick for them when they take a quarterback.
Speaker 5 (04:30):
I could see it.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
I don't know that they do it with the second pick,
but see in my last mock, I had them taking
Travis Hunter and then moving back into the first because
they have two third round picks, So I had them
moving back in the first and taking Shador Sanders, you
know in the twenties.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
I actually could see that. I actually could see that,
because then you.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Got you got a chance to have a real competition,
and you really you want in that situation, I think
you would want Shador to win that job. A lot
of times you want quarterback, you know, to sit behind veterans.
That could be the case in Cleveland. It gives you
the option either way if that were to happen, If
you draft should door with the second pick of the draft,
(05:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
If it changes how you approach the quarterback situation. I mean,
it's never a bad thing for a rookie to get
sometimes with mental reps on the bench and kind of
but the one different, the thing that's different with Shaudors
I think he's he's wired a little.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Differently than some of these other quarterbacks.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
I think he's actually he's a guy who I think
has a lot of confidence. I don't think he's easily shaken.
So I mean, to me, I think should Or Sanders
maybe could handle man. There's always the speed of the
game and the x's and o's and stuff like that.
It's gonna be hard for any any rookie. But sometimes
I feel like should Or Sanders might be able to
(05:50):
handle a little more of the pressure of the glare
than maybe any of the other quarterbacks in this draft.
It's one of the things that I kind of like
about him. Doesn't have an elite arm, doesn't even have
I think he has a very average arm, but he
throws with accuracy. It's just it's gonna be interesting to
see where he goes. But I did wonder, though, to
(06:10):
keep it to put it back in free agency, Buck,
I did wonder how many of these moves were directly
tied to looking at this quarterback draft and saying, uh,
we're gonna pass this year, or we're gonna pass in
the first round. Then all bets are off in the
second or third round. You know, I don't I don't know.
I don't know how that plays out, you know.
Speaker 3 (06:33):
So I do think the run on quarterbacks that we've
seen in free agency is a direct, kind of direct
reaction to what everyone had a chance to see from
the quarterbacks of the combine.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
The reason why I mentioned Kenny Pickett maybe paving the
way for shir Dr Sanders to go there had little
to do with the pick, whether it's the second pick
or whatever. Stylistically, a lot of times you see people
stacked a quarterback room with similar types. And so when
you see the Browns move off of dtr athletic playmaker,
they send him out, they bring Kenny Pickett in, who's
(07:09):
more of a.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Traditional pocket passer.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
Maybe this is Kevin Stefanski saying, hey, let's ready our playbook,
let's ready our scheme for someone that is more of
a traditional passer as opposed to what we had in
the past, where we had these athletic quarterbacks, and you.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Know, they kind of had a Hodgepies.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
They had Deshaun who was athletic, Jameis dtr and none
of the pieces fit. Maybe this is Kevin Stefanski saying, Hey,
I want to make sure everybody in this room is
kind of similarly skilled, so I don't have to do
multiple learning, create multiple playbooks for our offense to operate
if one of those guys is not in the lineup, Yeah.
Speaker 5 (07:47):
Let's get intel. That's a that's a good way to
think of that, you know.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
And you don't know. This is Kenny Pickett's fourth year.
I think he had two of Pittsburgh won last year.
You know, Kenny kind of came out of nowhere. He
was one year wonder out of pit. The numbers is
last year didn't match.
Speaker 5 (08:04):
Any of the other numbers. They were crazy.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
And so maybe he's a guy that kind of gets
it a little bit now in year four. Maybe he's
ready to, you know, to be a bridge quarterback for
another quarterback coming. I don't know if he's ready to
pull a full on Saam Darnold, but you never know, I.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Mean you never know. I mean he did have some
talent coming out.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
There was I thought the poise was something in the
pocket that kind of bothered me a little bit coming
out of college. I didn't think he handled it great
in Pittsburgh, but that was a lot to put.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
On his plate in Pittsburgh as well.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
There are some really big wide receiver personalities in that room.
They can make it a little tougher on quarterbacks sometime
as well.
Speaker 5 (08:43):
So you never know. You never know. But free agency
is off.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
And running, and man, these numbers are crazy. What do
you think about Miles Garrett resigning? I thought he was like, oh, you.
Speaker 4 (08:56):
Mean the guy who said he never gonna put the
uniform on.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Yeah, funny Lance, It's funny when they slide that big
old check over there.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
Amazing on a lot of things that you said, Oh
you know, I'm out of here.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
I need to be with a winner.
Speaker 4 (09:09):
That the contender got a Lance, we'll pay you.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
For you for Hey, you know what, I'm back. I
love it here. I would never leave Lake Erie. This
is what I've always wanted.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Grace, guys and and snow like, this is a perfect
place for me to build a family.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
And but Bruce down, I'm exact.
Speaker 4 (09:27):
I think. Look, I never thought the Cleveland Browns were going.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
To move off of Miles Garrett when you talked about
the kind of talent that he is. I mean, what
four straight seasons where he's had over fifteen fourteen or
fifteen sacks.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
He's been a dominant player.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
He is one of the guys that we absolutely can
put the generational talent tag on. He's been as advertised
for the Browns, and I understand why they wanted to
pay him.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
And I also understood why when.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
They give you eighty eight million dollars to sign, why
you signed it right away And You're like, yeah, I
don't know if I'm ever going win, but I'm certainly
gonna be uh rich rich and I may have a
chance to go down the street and and and and
kind of find a new bust in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
So I understand that part of it.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
I've got.
Speaker 1 (10:11):
You know, I really wonder if he just said, if
he came to the realization that Cleveland wasn't gonna move him,
and he just said, I might as well take a.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
Bunch of money, then, you know, I mean, because.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
I do, I can't see how he would want to
get out and try and see what it's like to
win to win at a high a higher level, because
it doesn't. It feels like Cleveland's got a lot of
a lot of work to do right now there, so
give so many picks. I mean that Sean Watson stuff
was just such a killer for that organization. And I
(10:43):
can see him wanting to get out. Man, I can't
I understand it. He wants to go out and have
a chance.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
But uh, I.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Mean, if you don't think you're going to you might
as well take you might as well take that that payday.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
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Speaker 2 (10:57):
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Speaker 3 (11:02):
Lance, I'm gonna get on you because I know this
used to be your man before he became the.
Speaker 4 (11:07):
GM of the Chicago Bears. The Bears have gone all
in on trying to upgrade their squad.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
So let's talk about what the Bears have done in
free agency, whether you like it or not. The first
thing they went out and did they upgraded the offensive line.
Acquired Jonah Jackson be a trade from the Rams for
a six round pick. Joe Thuni comes over in a
trade from the Chiefs for a fourth round pick in
twenty twenty six. Drew Dolman his son three year, forty
two million dollars contract, twenty eight million guaranteed.
Speaker 4 (11:37):
Lance Your boy Ryan Poles has been listening.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
He's been listening to X He's been listening to the streets.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
He's trying to fix the offensive line so that this
team can pop.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
What do you think about what the moves?
Speaker 1 (11:49):
I mean, you know, protect Kayla Williams or you're gone
at the end of the year. I mean, I think
I think he's one of the gms that is in
the crosshairs right now and he needs to win. He
needs to show growth. And the best way to do
that is show that the guy you drafted first ahead
of Jayden Daniels is up there in the same category
with Jayden Daniels. And the best way to do that
(12:10):
is before you can tell if he is or not,
you got to protect him and you got to give
him a chance.
Speaker 5 (12:14):
Now, he's got to stop hanging on the ball so.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
Long and all that.
Speaker 5 (12:16):
But you know, you you added good football players.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I think Jonah Jackson is solid.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
You know, Joe Toney is a good guard. He'll be
a good player for you.
Speaker 1 (12:27):
Drew Dolman allows you to He's a zone scheme center
who can get out in space and get to angles
and and I think he can help the run game
from his own scheme standpoint. Ben Johnson, I would assume
had maybe some say in these guys.
Speaker 5 (12:43):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
I don't know if he really got in there, and
if he even has an opinion on offensive line, I
don't know. But you know, because Drew Dolmen is a
is his zone scheme center, I think that that kind
of tells you what they're going to uh, what they're
going to be heavy into in Chicago. But I like
it for Ryan Pols because you didn't give up any
first round picks, you had a lot of money to spend.
(13:05):
You immediately went after the offensive line. If you want
to really swing the sword, you can go at the
first You can go at an offensive lineman in the
first round with the UH with the tenth pick, or
maybe Trey Back still get a left tackle if you
want to put competition over there at the left tackle spot.
Or you know now you are close enough to being
(13:26):
where you need to be that you can maybe wait
a full round, maybe even two rounds before you attack
another tackle position. I still think I still think they
need competition at the left tackle spot. So it wouldn't
shock me if they looked at tackle with the first
round pick.
Speaker 5 (13:42):
But I like it.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
I mean, he's given us, he's given himself a chance,
he's got some weapons on offense. Polls I'm talking about
and now Caleb Williams. Now now I will say the
wide receiver spot. It will also be interesting to see
what they do a wide receiver because DJ Moore didn't.
Speaker 5 (13:59):
Do a whole lot. Keenan Allen's best days are gone obviously.
Roma Dunza is the dude, you know.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I think they'll look I think they'll look at tightening
up the wide receiver spot as well.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
But I like it for me.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
I mean, you knew it wasn't where it needed to be.
We got money to spend, let's go get some guys.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
No, So I like it.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
In terms of Ben Johnson leaning into what made them
successful in Detroit, I think it's really important as a
head coach and play caller that you know the ingredients
that served you well in Detroit. Detroit became the monster
because of that offensive line being able to dominate. They
have versatility up front that could go from zone scheme
to gap skiing. They could bully you at the point
of attack because they had some monsters and these are
(14:41):
solid players.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
I can't say that they're the bullies that he left.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
In Motown, but it certainly gives them an opportunity to
be who they want to be. On offense, you're playing
in the Windy City. You're dealing with the elements. You're
also dealing with the division that prize itself in physicality
and toughness. The only way to beat the bullies is
you got to be able to hit the bully in
the mouth.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
A better served to hit the bully in their mouth.
Speaker 3 (15:02):
And oh, by the way, they might have set their
quarterback up for more success because they finally have an
offensive line and they may have a commitment to the
running game. They should allow Caleb Williams to have success
and Grady Jarrett.
Speaker 5 (15:15):
They added Grady Jarrett in the middle too, So I
know it's I know it's not.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
It's on the other side, we're still talking trench football
because the Lions, you know, build the trenches.
Speaker 5 (15:25):
Build the trenches both sides of them.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
And let's go get a Jamier Gibbs and A and
A and a MC David Montgomery, let's go wreck you.
Speaker 5 (15:32):
And that's kind of what you know. They've got all
the right little pieces in place and so, but but
it starts in the trenches.
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Man.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
That's that's where the uh that's where the heart and
soul of teams a lot of times beat and you
got to get that right. And I think Ryan Poles
was doing everything he can't. It may it may work,
it may not work, but he needs it to work
right away for job security. I don't think there's any
question about that.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
It absolutely has to work.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
And I would say this, I think if you pair
uh DeAndre Swift with maybe a guy like Caleb Johnson
that blend someone that is more like David Montgomery to
Jamior Gibbs, that might work.
Speaker 5 (16:08):
How about dreaming Me?
Speaker 3 (16:10):
I mean, you can't go wrong with triaging Henderson being
able to have the juice. So that's a rep for
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do you go further with T Mobile for Business lance.
I love having conversations. I have to make this an
abbreviated one because it's gotta go jump on free agent friends.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So here's what we can do.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
We're gonna work it out where we come back and
we kind of complete the podcast because I feel like
we kind of cheated the people.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
There's so many moves.
Speaker 3 (16:38):
But after Wednesday, we'll at least know where most of
the movers and shakers are going. So maybe late in
the week, me and you hop back on the podcast
and kind of scrimmage it all out and talk about
the moves that we're there and you.
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Too.
Speaker 4 (16:52):
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Speaker 2 (16:54):
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