On the latest edition of Move the Sticks, Bucky Brooks and Lance Zierlein finally get the opportunity to sink their teeth into the two blockbuster NFL trades that shook the football world earlier this week. The MTS duo provides unparalleled analysis into how the Rams, Browns and Patriots are positioning themselves for the future, with commentary on all sides of the deal. In the end, 2x DPOY Myles Garrett is a Ram, former DROY Jared Verse is a Brown and Super Bowl champion wide receiver A.J. Brown is reunited with Mike Vrabel on the Patriots.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
It was up Football World. I am Buddy Broughton.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That is my man, l Z, the undisputed champ of
all evaluations.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Lands thereline joining me. L was going on, man, how
we doing.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I think the internet would beg to disagree with you
on that one. But that's okay. I mean I put
my time in, I put my work in. That's all
you can hope to do. You just got to put
your work in, take your lumps. You win some you
lose some day. Hey, you know, some people didn't think
Jalen Brunson was good enough to be a top pick.
We saw the receipts come out and people had certain
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things to saying. That happens to us on an end.
Every year there's somebody we go back and look at
three or four years ago, like, ooh I missed on him,
Oh I hit on him. That's how That's how it works.
That's how this business works. But you know it's funny,
but getting right into it, the business works that way.
What's hard to really get a feel for in my
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my side, right sitting in this office on man watching tape.
It's different than you when you were out on the road,
me talking to coaches, meeting players kind of playing poker.
You got to get a read of who they are
without them telling you a whole lot. You got to
find out who they are. Sometimes you can see it
on tape, you know, you can see it their body language,
the way they hold to carry themselves in the field.
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But it's those players with special characteristics.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I brought up Jalen Brunts and there's a famous video
the point guard for the Knicks where his dad Rick
Brunts and who used to play college and pro basketball,
and as a coach, we had them out on a
playground and they were grinding. I mean, Jalen was probably
I don't know, maybe eleven twelve, something like that, and
he had him grinding. I don't know if you saw
Bucky where he's got to, you know, run all the
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way down to the other end of the court. I'm
gonna throw you the ball, you come back and shoot.
And it was he was trying to get him to
be mentally tough, to fight through fatigue and things like that,
and grinding, grinding, And then when you see what came
from that, the mental toughness of the player, you see
a special competitor. You see somebody who can thrive in
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fourth quarter situations. I bring that up because we look
for that in every sport. You want to know who's
gonna hit with men on base, You want to know
which quarterbacks have it, which pass rushers can get there
when you need to, when it's most important. They can
call up and summon up not just the physical talent,
but the mental toughness and the mental will to be victorious.
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And we're going to talk about some trades today, but
I think Brunson is an interesting I bring up a
basketball player to start, because what he has we look
for in football all the time. We love that, and
when we see it, it's a separator.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it is a separated and he is an outlier.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I think about what Becky Hammond, the basketball coach
of the Las Vegas Aces, and what she said when
she was a commentator and talked about how this is
a big man's league and you can't build around small people.
And look, if you go by the status and historical
data and trends, she is absolutely right. But every now
and then there's an outlier. Now that doesn't mean that
you should go chase outliers like Jalen Brunton, but I
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will say what he brings.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And I was gonna tweet this last night.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
After watching him knock down shot after shot over the
San Antoni Your spurs Man toughness matters more than any
other thing. His overall toughness, mental and physical is a
separator for that team in New York. And I think
if you asked the Dallas Mavericks, they probably regret letting
him walk because when he walked out the door, some
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of that toughness went with them. And it's just one
of the things that we love to see. But I'm
glad you brought up basketball because it's time for how
to not brought to you by Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage,
and we're going to talk about a guy who had
a little bit of basketball in his background.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Miles Garrett get finally like I was surprised because when
the noise was dead, like Cleveland's gonna trade him. In
my mind, Lance, I never could envision the Cleveland Browns
trading a guy who was just coming off the single
season Zach Record, a guy who has dominated the game
since he walked into the field for the Browns, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They traded him away to the La Ram They.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Get like a first round pick. In return, it gives
them two picks for next year. They get Jerry Versu
In return. The la Rams get a certified dude who's
gonna be thirty, but they get a legitimate dude. And man,
my mind was just blown away when the trade became official.
What were your initial thoughts on the former number one
overall pick making his way to Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Talked about it on Mock Draft Live. I've got a
cut where I kind of thought that there was a
I kind of bought into the smoke that there could
be a trade. And now I thought before the I
thought maybe before the draft, and so one of our
mock draft lives it was. It was my mock draft.
I had t J. Parker going to the Browns late,
and I can't remember where their pick was, but I
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talked maybe I had it in an early second, I
can't remember, but we talked about TJ. Parker and I said,
this could be a pick for a movement of Miles
Garrett because I thought there was a very real person,
a very real potential chance for that just because he
doesn't want to be there, and the amount of amount
of capital that you can get back and a player
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like Jared Verse. Obviously, it really helps to potentially reset
an organization. It's like in baseball having a closer with
a team that can't win, Like, what good is a closer?
A closer is more valuable with the players you can
get back for them. In the NFL, there's a higher
hit rate. You know, baseball trades, you have a lower
hit rate on first round picks. On football, we have
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a higher hit rate on first round picks. And then
on top of it, you get a guy like Jared Verse.
It was still shocking, still shocking to see Miles Garrett.
I expected him to get traded before the trade deadline.
I didn't think it would happen this offseason. I figured,
all right, well, if it didn't happen before the draft,
it'll happen, you know, after the it'll happen after the
trade deadline. But what we get is they can split
up some of the cap pit because you know it's
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the June post June first trade. And there was no
rumblings about this that I had heard at all. I
hadn't heard any rumblings about a deal. But when you
think about who he went to, makes perfect sense. If
there's any team that is going to swing that sword,
it's going to be the Rams, And what a great
pick up. I like the addition Bucky for both teams.
I don't know about you. We can talk about the
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we'll talk about the brown side in the second. It's
going to be less discussed. When you look at the Rams,
You're getting a guy who is a better pure pass
rusher than Jared Verse. He knows how to finish, he
knows how to close right. Jared Verse gets a lot
of pressures. Miles Garrett knows how to get quick wins
and he knows how to close and finish with sacks.
What it's also going to do, I think is going
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to definitely draw Aaron Donald out of retirement.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I don't know if it's gonna draw him up.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We what, bro, He's already, he's already got posts like
I'm ready. He is showing himself working out. They asked
McVay about it, Like, dude, he's coming. I'm telling you
you're gonna have a wolf You're gonna have a whole
wolf pack out there on the defensive side. I'll bet
you Aaron Donald makes it back with Miles Garrett. They
run it back because Aaron Donald had a little post
that said staying ready. It shows him working out. What
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a great pickup for the Rams. They understand that you
got about a two year window right now with with
Matthew Stafford and his contract more likely about two year, right,
wouldn't you say that? Why not make it the most
robust championship windows possible by adding a better pass rusher
than verse? And that's not to and I'm excited about
Jared versus the Browns. I'm just saying, if we're going
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one versus one Miles.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Gart, Yeah, Miles Garrett, two time Defensive Played of the Year,
seven time Pro Bowl, one hundred and twenty five and
a half sacks over nine years. He had twenty three
last year. He has eight seasons with at least ten sacks.
That in itself, right there, makes you do the deal,
no matter how old he is.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Just that resume.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Then the fact you talk about, Okay, it's a four year,
one hundred and sixty million dollars contract that you're bringing in.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
There's a no trade.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Clause involved, one hundred and twenty three million guaranteed. We
know he was a no show to Cleveland Brown's workouts.
He hadn't really sat down and talked to Todd Monken,
so he had already broken up with the Browns before
he broke.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Up with them.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
For the Rams, this is kind of a part of
what they do. Like, the Rams do a great job
of drafting I would say rounds three through seven and
whatever they do in the undrafted market in terms of
acquiring developing young talent. But what they really do is
they use their first and second round picks to acquire
the players they need to get over the top. Now,
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living in La Lance, I can tell you there's a
formula for how you win in La. La is about
star power. If you think about the Lakers for a
long time, the Lakers are the Kings of ah Man.
You did a great job of developing that player, but
now that he's good, he needs to come on to Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, think about what they've done with Lebron, thinking
about ad. Look they traded for Kobe and Kobe Jehan.
They got shocked. That is the developmental model in La.
In LA and I'm not a Lakers fan, but in
La we get stars. Look at the La Dodgers. Man,
the La Dodgers had the best farm system for years
and all that, and it was great and it worked out.
But what do the LA Dodgers do now when they
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see someone who's good. Oh, we'll pay above and beyond. Oh,
we appreciate what you did for the Angels. Oh, Tani,
but we're gonna take him. No, Mookie Betts, Oh you're
a great with the rest of us, we'll take you.
We're going to take all the great players. So now
you're looking at the La Rams. You're looking at Kronky,
their own who's in.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh, this is how we get down in LA. Sign
me up.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So think about Matthew Stafford Starr. They traded and acquired
for him this year alone. Everyone was talking about the
draft in ty Simpson that overshadowed. They traded away their
first round pick. They get Trent McDuffie, all Pro nickel player.
They now trade away another first round pick to get
Miles Garrett. This is what the LA Rams do. They
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trade and get a handful of stars. Then they surround
him with developmental players. This has been the model for
them to be successful. They won a Super Bowl doing
it previously. Jalen Ramsey. They went out and got Von
Miller to help him get over the top to go
with the nucleus that was already intact. They're having a
case of deja vu as they're trying to do it
again with Matthew Stafford in the twilight of his career.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's it's it's insane. I mean, they have traded every
pick in twenty nineteen. They traded out of the first
every pick. Next year's pick is Miles Garrett. This is
since McVeigh came in. Trent McDuffie. This year, you know,
the first rounder for Trent McDuffie. We know about Ty Simpson,
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they grabbed him. Jared Verse, the twenty twenty four first
round pick gone. They traded their twenty two and twenty
three first round picks and Jared Golfer Matt Stafford. They
traded twenty and twenty one for Jalen Ramsey for Brandon
Cook since Sean mcvagh got here. That's all they do
is trade out of the first round or trade their
first round pick either eventually in terms of the player,
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like Jared goff was, you know, obviously the player, so
they traded I should say the player. Well, no, that
was a sixteen pick, but they traded Jared goff when
he was you know, he was a two thousand and
sixty first round pick. Then they traded future first rounders
for Matthew Stafford. It's they they understand and they haven't
gotten burned by it so far. Like they haven't gotten
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burned by it so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Far because I think they're comfortable with living in their
world lands and so much of what we talk about
on our side, when we talk about picks, we always
think about it directly. We got these first round picks
and we're gonna look at this draft class. They're saying,
these picks are capital their assets to allow us to
bring great players. And just because we said we want
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to get great players, it doesn't mean we're talking about
great players in the draft. We want to use those
first round picks to get great players in jail general,
and all the players that we talked about they received
as you ran down that list. Jalen Rams was an
All Pro player, helped them get over the top. You
think about trentmy Duffie coming on board, Brandon Cooks during
that time when they got Brandon Cooks, they went to
a Super Bowl with Brandon Cooks on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So every time they've done this. It has worked out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
For them in some way, shape or form, so I
love and appreciate how they've gone about it. It also
speaks to a new trend when it comes to the league.
Michael Parson, Sauce Gardner, Max Crosby, all top level defensive
players all were traded over the last year for multiple
first round picks or first round Now Max Crosby has
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to go back, but it speaks to the new landscape.
People are trading, and they're trading away they are top
players to get these picks back, so vice versa.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
If you identify someone that you believe can take you
over the top, you will give up those marquee picks
to get it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And if you feel like you have a player.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That you don't you can't resign or it's not working
with your timeline, you trade them away to get those first.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Round picks because it gives you capital in future years.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Let's take Let's take a second to talk about the
brown side of this. The Browns give up you know,
the elite, the pre eminent pass rusher in the league
and one of the top defensive players in the league
year after year. The guy who frankly stays healthy for
the most part. I mean he's missed two games over
the last five years, and he's been incredibly productive from
a sack standpoint. You mentioned some of the numbers when
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you look at his overall sack totals the last five years,
a long sixteen, sixteen, fourteen, fourteen, twenty three. I mean,
that's crazy Atlantish. And he's only thirty. He turns thirty
one I think around Christmas is what is his birthday
is right around Christmas, So he's gonna turn He's gonna
turn thirty one then, so he's still relatively young and
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obviously in great form. For the Browns, you get Jared Verse,
who's one of the top pressure over the last two years.
Jared Verse, you know, is tied with Will Anderson in
terms of total quarterback pressures, right ahead of them, Or
is Josh Heinz Allen and Daniel Hunter at one fifty eight,
Michael Parsons one fifty eight, Miles Garrett is the is
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the league leader. But it just goes to show you
Jared Vers knows how to get pressure on the quarterback.
He's an explosive player at the point of attack. He
understands how to create bull rush speed to bull very
efficient hands, violent hands. He has a feel for working
past blockers with his eyes and with his hands. I
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think the big difference is he's got to really learn
how to convert, like he's got to learn to convert
pressures to sacks. I love pressures. I love how you know,
the analytics teams and everyone in analytics loves to point
out pressures all the time, and sometime it goes over
the top where they act like pressures are more important
than sack. I think, I think you have to make
sure you have it in context when you have someone
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who can create pressures, true pressures that have an impact
on the quarterback in the pocket. Yes, that's very, very valuable,
especially if mistakes are made by the quarterback. But let's
not diminish the value of a player who understands how
to convert a pressure into a sack because of his
hand usage, his physical tools, his burst to the quarterback,
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his agility, because that's not you know, a pressure can
turn into a completion. We we hey, one hundred and
forty three, you know one hundred and sixty one pressures
for Miles Garrett, Well, some of those are completions. A
sack is a loss of yardage. A sack can change
a game. A sack can turn into a strip sack.
A sack can cause punts, it can psychologically wear on
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play callers and quarterbacks and offensive tackles. So yeah, I
love pressures like everyone else does, but let's stop sleeping
on conversions into sacks. That's still the most important thing
when you have it, and you got the premiere sack guy.
So well, the Rams just got the premiere sack guy.
But if Jared Verse can turn those pressures into sacks,
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he's going to elevate himself into that next realm up
there with Will Anderson in the AFC. Frankly, if he
can start doing that in year three, Remember he came
from Albany and he's become one of the top, you know,
pressure guys in the entire Albany. Initially, of course, he
went to Florida State for a couple of years, but
he came from Albany and portaled over to FSU and
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now he's become one of the top guys in pro
football creating pressure. I love that for the Browns that
they got that player. I also like the fact that
they collected another first round or Bucky, because what they're
doing is basically say we want to have so much
ammunition that we're going to get a quarterback we want
next year. I feel like that's one hundred percent what's
happening here unless Chador goes off this year. And if
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that happens, then that's even better for them because they
can use all their first round picks on talent to
keep building up the roster. But one way or another,
twenty seven is going to be a big year for
the Browns.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Look, you talk about a big year for the Browns
next year twenty twenty seven. Not only do they have
two first round picks, but I'm looking they have eleven
picks in that class, three fourth rounders, two fifth rounders,
two seventh rounders. In addition, they got a twenty twenty
eight second and a twenty twenty nine to third.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That comes to them.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Coming off of the heels of a draft class where
they had Mason Graham, Carson Swestinger, Quinn, Shawn Jenkins, Harrol Finn,
and Jr.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Shador Sanders throwing Isaiah Bond. They're cooking with.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Gas and no disrespect to Paul Dee Podesta, but Andrew
Berry has been in his bag since Dee Podesta left
and went back to baseball. This team has been queshing
it and the other part about the Jared Verst thing,
he's due. Potentially they can start talking a contract after
the twenty twenty six sees. For the Rams, it was
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going to be problematic because you had Kobe Turner and
Byron Young, two young players who also were playing great
right Young quietly had twelve sacks. So for the Rams,
they were going to have to make a decision on
which two of those three could they pick. By getting
Miles Garrett, it takes them out of that conversation and
it kind of resets what they want to do with
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all their young guys, Pukinnakua included. But for the Browns,
Jared Verse becomes a foundational player. He becomes a centerpiece
to a young, dynamic defense. To remember, Jim Swartz is
no longer calling this defense, so this is going to
be a different looking defense schematically, Mason Graham is a
young piece, Carson Swessinger is a young piece.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Now you have a.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Young, energetic, dynamic Jared Verse, even though you lose the
sack leader who commanded a bunch of attention. You might
be able to do it by committee because the collective
is talented, is hungry, and it really fits the persona
that the Dog Pound and their fans, but they appreciate
that takes place in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And you added Emanuel McNeil Warren in a second round
dynamic safety from this year's class, Spencer fan Out, Concepcion
and Boston two wide receivers in that group for you know,
for this year, but of course also for the future.
So when you think about Jared versus three years of
club control, You've got, yeah, the fifth year option, the
contract's going to bounce up, but you got three years
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of club control, which is a really big deal. As
you continue to try to build up that roster. You
don't have a bunch of expensive pieces on the roster
right now, so the Browns can really focus on using
all these draft picks, I mean and frankly taking some
of the fourth rounders that they have that you mentioned
that they have next year and really piling them up
to move up even higher, to try to you know,
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I think you'd love to circle every draft. You'd love
to circle three guys minimum that you get that are
that are starters for you in the future, you want
at least four that are big contributors for you. I
think the Browns just grabbed four to five this year,
and now they're in position with Jared Verse, who is
a hit for them right off the bat. He's a hit.
You look at the picks that they have coming up
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in the future, and if they can get the quarterback
position right, I mean, maybe Andrew Berry can finally pull
the Browns out of this malaise that they've been in.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I think look as bad as it is to lose
a halt and look in all Timer a future Hall
of Famer and those things. I think if you're the Browns,
you're optimistic that this is the rare win win trade
that we see in the league. I'm gone excited to
see how this plays out, not only for the rams
of how the Browns look. There's gonna be a lot
of conversation about this going forward, but we will see
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how it continues to play out on the field. That
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Lance Let's take a break and then we'll come back
and talk about the New England Patriots. Finally getting AJ Brown,
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AILZ the worst kept secret in the league. AJ Brown
is traded from the Philadelphia Eagles to the New England Patriots.
Mike Rabel gets his guy from way back. They started
together with the Tennessee Titans. AJ Brown was phenomenal with
the Titans, goes to the Philadelphia Eagles, continues to be
a phenom for them, leads them to a Super Bowl title.
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But now he joins a young Drake may Romeo Dobbs
on the outside. They have a very interesting offense in
New England. What are your thoughts on this trade?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like it. I think anytime you deal with with
AJ Brown, you know right now there's gonna be some questions.
Kind of it didn't end great in Tennessee when he
was there. He wanted his way out of there. We
know there was some you know, some things weren't always
cohesive with Aj and maybe Jalen Hurts and some of
the in that team. The New England number one, Mike
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Rabel knows AJ Brown. AJ Brown and Mike Rabel are
going to be comfortable with each other, at least to
an extent, maybe fully comfortable with each other. I think
that's one advantage. The second thing is you got to
really look New England. This is a move for New
England because New England says, we got here sooner than
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we maybe expected, at least I feel like they got
there sooner than I expected. Probably you expected. Now that
we're here, we might as well try to win this thing.
We just got in the Super Bowl when no one
expected it. So let's speed up the process. Elliott Wolf
and Mike Vrabel and his guy. Where they were all
trying to speed the process up, well now, I mean
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they were all trying to build in a process. Well
the process got sped up now because they were much
better than anticipated. So he needs a number one, Drake
May needs to have a number one AJ Brown, whether
it's with the and look, he's not the fastest wide
receiver out there. He just knows how to win the
football and he knows how to be He's a very
productive player. And so Dobbs Romeo Dobbs is there. You
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have AJ Brown there, you have a legitimate one. And
I think a two or three. Dobbs still has a
little bit to prove. But I do think he makes
that wide receiving corps a lot better with New England.
And I know New England's very excited about Traveon Henderson
right now. They think Romandre and Trayveon, they they believe
that this is getting ready to be just an explosive
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duo this year. That they really love what those two
guys are going to bring to the table in their
second year together as kind of a thunder and lightning combination.
So learning to use Trevion Henderson a little more effectively,
I think will really help that team create more explosive plays.
But so will having a player that your quarterback can
depend on as a safety blanket. And aj Brown and
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in Romeo Dobs, you know, he's a player that's also
tough when it's time to make contested catches. Matt Collins
has some juice to go vertical. You've got Kyle Williams, who, hey,
they an't forgotten about Kyle Williams. Kyle Williams is still
somebody that they're very excited about in New England. So
it's a better wide receiving core than Drake Man and
the Steeler and the than the Patriots had last year.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, look a much better deal. Now here's what I'll
say about AJ Brown. AJ Brown is a legitimate number
one if you go back and you just look at
the numbers that he put up. Look, man, he had
two fourteen hundred yard seasons back to back. Since twenty nineteen,
he has the fourth most receiving yards, fourth most touchdown catches.
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You think about him and Jamar Chase are the only
guys with one thousand yards and seven plus touchdowns since
that time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So he is a dominant receiver.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And what I love about putting him with Romeo Dobbs,
Romeo Dobbs is interchangeable on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can do a bunch of things with them.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They signed Dobbs to a four year, sixty two sixty
eight million dollar deal, and they can take advantage of
those players. You talked about Kyle Wellson when he was
being able to be a big time playmaker down the
field and make it happen. And you think about, Look,
they have Mac Collins, Keayshawn Bouti. They have a lot
of weapons that can do a bunch of different things
for the Patriots. And the overall physicality of their wide
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receiver corps is going to help the running as you
talked about Treyvon Henderson Remindrew Stevenson.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I like all of that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But here's why I really like it is because when
you're doing deals, a lot of times with the trade,
it's about the unknown. We think this guy'd be good
for us, but man, how does he fit in our
locker room? Chemistry, character, all that other stuff. Mike Rabel
knows AJ Brown. Mike Rabel was distraught. I would say
the beginning of the demise in Tennessee was when that
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trade happened on Draft night, when they said AJ Brown
to Philly because Mike Rabel knew that that was his guy.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, now he gets his guy.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Back, and we just understand how he ticks and what
might have been viewed as temperamental in Philly. Maybe Mike
Rabel doesn't see him that way because their connection is different.
I like the move for the Patriots. That's it. I
don't know if it's going to make them a better
team because they have a tougher schedule, but I do
know Drake May should have another opportunity to take a step.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And I know we talked about easy tip five.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Is he not AJ Brown should help Drake May by
himself as a top five player at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Buck, y'all, I gotta ask you this, okay, because you're
the you're the You're the perfect person to ask this too,
because you're in the media, so you see things a
little different. You played cornerback, you play wide receiver. Why
is it that the wide receivers in the cornerbacks are
the biggest divas in the entire sport? You played them both.
I don't really consider you a diva. I mean, you
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like your ice coffee a certain kind of way. But
I'm trying to find out. I'm trying to figure out
why is it What is it that makes the wide
receiver and then the players covering them, the cornerbacks, the
biggest divas.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
On the football Okay. So I tell it to you
very simply.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
If you're a wide receiver, come from a wide receiver
growth and development. When you're a wide receiver and you
don't touch the ball, you're just doing cardio. And no
one wants to do cardio for sixty minutes. No one
signs up to just run up and down the field
without being a part of the process. So for wide receivers,
the only way they can really impact the game is
they have to feel like they have it, and if
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they go long stretches without touching it, then they're like, oh,
now you're gonna come to me in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't have a rhythm. And so that's why it's.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So hard for wide receivers because without the ball, you
can't really make an impact on the game and you
get tired of running up and down the field for
the dbs.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, I'm gonna say this is the Dion Sanders effect.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
For a long time, cornerbacks didn't get any recognition until
a prime kind of created that alter ego where he
became flashy and boisterous and flamboyant, and everyone saw the
attention that Dion got, and Dion was able to kind
of parlay that into superstardom that extended beyond the field.
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So some of that is a bit of the copycat
nature of the position. But the farther that you get
away from the ball, the more likely you're going to
have to deal with different personalities, and I think everyone
in the building has to understand that. And it's also
important that with both of those positions, the people that
coach those positions, let's be able to handle big personalities
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because their room is typically filled with big personnel.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's a great point. It's not made and that's why
you see a lot of times the coaches. So what
a lot of people may not realize is that coming
up in the coaching world, your dad's been a coach.
My dad, now, my dad was only an O line coach.
He was a tight end coach, but it was blocking
stuff whenever he was with Bill Yeoman at University of
Houston way back when he very first started. O line's
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kind of one of those positions you need to be
around that most of the time. You don't just bounce
in and out of O line. But there's a lot
of guys, a lot of coaches who have experienced coach
wide receivers or running backs or every once in a
while they cross over, but wide receiver. When you look
at the NFL coaches position coaches, there's a lot of
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former wide receivers there. And I know a lot of
times people think, well, yeah, because they played position, they
also understand how to handle the position.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The temperament is everything.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because you know what I'm gonna tell you, man, one
of my best buds Sjohn Jefferson, who is with the
New York Jets right now, he is the designated back up.
Wherever he goes, he doesn't care. He shoots it straight,
He keeps it real. He has the ability to take
what he was able to do as a player teach it,
teach the position very well, but more importantly, he does
a great job of managing the personalities. Another buddy of
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mine that I played with, Keenan mccardo, is up in
Minnesota and he's been a long time receiver coach and
he is someone who, as they say, got it out
the mud to.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Carve out a long career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But what he's been able to do is not only
teach it, but he's able to control the personalities. Because
Lance everyone sees it man like, look, man, you got
to be part psychologists when you dealing with them guys,
because look, they're right on the edge when it comes
to their personalities and the explosive temper tantrums and all that.
So you have to be able to manage that while
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also equipping them with the fundamentals. And because a lot
of former players are doing it, they understand that fine line.
And look, I can't go without saying Reggie Wayne, who
worked with us for a long time in NFL UH network.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Hey also understands one of the great teachers.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You have to kind of understand what it's like to
live in that world, to be able to not only
relate to the coaches but to the players, because the
coach will like, what's up with your guy, and the
players are like coach, and so you have to kind
of be that that arbitrator in the middle trying to
negotiate what's going on. But yeah, No, it's a very
unique position to coach and one that requires a different temperament,
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uh to play it because there's so many.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Different things that are involved in being successful in that problem.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
There's a lot of them. I'm looking now Wes Welker
with the Dolphins, all of them, and join Randwell with
the Bears.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You've got Jerry Colbert with the Broncos, Rob Moore old
school Rob Moore with the Yeah with the Carolina Panthers,
Greg Lewis, Eric Yarver is there with the Rams, Bobby Ingram,
commanders like yeah so.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Nam and a lot of a lot of former players,
a lot of guys that come from different backgrounds that
that that understand how to do it. You have to
be able to relate to not only the stars, but
you got to be able to developed the young guys
that are coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Are you a route runner? Are your technician? All of
those things matter.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And then I'll say this because down in Jacksonville Edgar Bennett,
who was my old vet in Green Bay, he was
a running back who has made that position. But a
lot of it is his temperament. He's tried to give
guys a blue collar mentality at wide receiver, and that
comes to the toughness and blocking, the toughness in catching
the ball and running after the catch.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All of those things matter.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And I will say this, and wrapping up about this segment,
I was blessed Charlie Joiner, Hall of Fame, Wide receiver,
long time with the Charges. Was my position coach in Buffalo.
One look got kid. He used to make me call
him greatest greatness whenever I would see him, Ladies, dude
would tell me, hey, man, when you see me, don't
call me coach, you call me great Okay, okay, Charlotte.
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And he would tell all these stories. But he had
a great temperament. He was the wise old owl in
the back of the room. In that room with Andre
Reed and Bill Brooks and Don Beebee and others. He
had to all of that stuff. But yeah, it is
a different position. Different personalities play that position. But if
you have the right coach man, you can get great
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talent and production, performance and production from those guys.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, and let's face it, a really good wide receiver. Look,
some of them are a pain in the butt right now,
there's just no way around it. But also their impact
on games can be so substantial that you pay them more.
You deal with more from a wide receiver than you
might from another position. But they also have incredible impacts
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on the Game's changed, it's really changed. I mean it
wasn't like this before. But it used to be the
running backs, but it's it's shifted to wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's changed.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And the next change is going to be how many
people move on from wide receivers. Because we talked about
the new England side, we didn't talk about Philly, but Philly.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Remember, Look, it's a cost. Aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think that the cap charge whatever's gonna be like
forty million dollars that you talked about them splitting it
up in two, but now they're gonna have to do
it by committee.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Per se. They have Devonte Smith, who was.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Maybe cold wide receiver one with aj Brown, now he
steps into their role. But some of the other guys,
they have Mikayle Lewis, d'antevin Wicks, Hollywood Brown, Elijah Moore,
all those guys having to do it collectively. Good thing
is Sean Mannon is coming over and he has been
a guy who has seen it done a few different ways.
He's seen it done where hey, let's just move the
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pieces around the chessboard and figure it out. This position
that I would say is at a crossroads. You have
to either commit to paying not one, but two guys
big money to do it, or you're gonna have to
be in a position where you pay one guy and
then expand the top pick on another guy and hope
that those timelines work well together, because it is becoming
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so cost prohibitive to pay these receivers as now. The
money's getting into that thirty five to forty million dollars range,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I mean, he used to be Cincinnati paid their quarterback
in both wide receivers and they let they had to
let them pass rusher, you know, they let their pass
rusher go. It is it really is. But there's such
an influx of wide receivers in every draft, as you know,
Bucky from covering the draft with me, there's so many
to choose from that. I think more and more teams
are going to do like you said, the ones, especially
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if you can get a rookie on a on a
if you get a quarterback on a rookie contract, it's
a lot easier to pay two wide receivers. The Bengals
are trying to pay everybody, so we'll see. You know,
it's hard to win on the perimeters. If you're paying
just the perimeters, you got to win in the trenches
at some point, or it's hard to win titles. But
more and more I think there are going to be
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some teams who say, look, we're willing to get away
from a wide receiver because we think we can find
another wide receiver in the draft. We know that's how
they believe running backs work. Only special running backs get
extra contracts, And I think right now special wide receivers
are going to be getting that thirty million dollars you know,
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knock they're gonna get that thirty million dollars. But after that,
it's gonna be really tough because if you've got a
quarterback already that you're gonna be paying sixty million a
year or two or more, which is where that number
is headed, you have to really figure out how to
move your your salary cap pieces around, Like we're going
to be a quarterback and two wide receiver team. Are
we going to pay a number one wide receiver? Are
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we going to try to do this with three really
good wide receivers, But they're all wide receiver twos, and
we're gonna spend our money on pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I like the fact that there's different ways to, you know,
to build a roster. I think it's fun like that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But it is fun like that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now I will say this, and this goes all the
way back to my time in Green Bay when Mike
Homgrim was the coach, and he always talked about the
better the quarterback, the less of the importance of the receiver.
And he would say, Chase gold jacket quarterbacks with a
solid system, and we can elevate the play of the
pass catches around it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And he talked about I don't need all a's.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I can win a lot of games with a bunch
of bs and B plus's on the perimeter, the quarterback
is an A.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
A lot of what we talk about, yeah, a lot
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, A lot of what we talked about is
depending on how good the quarterback is. If the quarterback
is an A plus, then I can play with bees.
But if the quarterback is in an A, then I
need those a's around him to be able to elevate.
And so you have to be able to scout your team,
scout your quarterback and understand what he needs to be successful.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And when you do that, it certainly can work.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
For Yeah, well, it's fascinating. It was a good Uh,
this is a good show today. I enjoyed it. This
is it. We don't usually get these kind of a
topics like, uh, the AJ Brown trade, but AJ Brown
that barely even I don't know about you, but on
my sports talk show was like we barely. I was
flying back from New York when I got the news,
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and I told my wife. I was just scrolling through yeah,
through through Twitter and like, wait what what Miles Garrett
got Dell? So yeah, I was shocked. I mean I
thought it could happen before the d but once it
didn't happen, I thought Okay, well maybe before the trade deadline,
but then when you saw it was the Rams to it.
I'm telling you, Buck, the next domino to falls. Here
comes Aaron Donald back. You think he's not in shape.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You don't know, No, I think no, no.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I think what he's going to do is what they
did with Eric. Well, I think Aaron Donald comes. It's
a late November December, moved a full season like the
hired gun to help us get over the top.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Hey man, I'm not going to through all that training
camp and all these other stuff. Nah, I'm coming for
the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Give me the stretch, right, I need a handful of
games to get ready to play, and then let's get
to the playoffs because I'm not really.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm not wasting.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It makes the most sense if you think about it.
Although he's not old by any stretch, but if you
think about it, that would be the best way to
handle Aaron Donald is at the most, at the most,
let him play, you know, let him come back the
week after a buy. I don't know when the Rams
by it, but you're right, I mean at the most games.
You think now, he's the kind of guy that might
run up there and say no, no, no, I want to
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be part of this preseason because I'm doing this anyway
on my own for fun. I'm working like this on
my own. And he had a workout, but he had
forty five one hand, like a like a robot. His
workout was crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, look, well we'll bookmark because when he does come back,
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But yeah, he's a freak of nature.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But if I am them, I am having that conversation
and don't worry about we only need you those last
like come back week ten, week eleven, end up, get.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Hot for the run, get lathered up, and be ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah that's enough because look at it take him about
a month to kind of get back into the rhythm
and then head into the postseason, he's good enough to
make a handful of plays that they need.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
With old big fellow on the other side, can you.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Imagine putting both of them on the same side running games.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Huh, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I remember you got Brandon Fisk, who he can't slow down.
He's always playing with a hot motor. I mean, it's yeah,
it's gonna be. I mean, they're clearly the favorites to
win the league. But that's a that's another topic for
another another podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey, we'll get to that next podcast and we'll talk
about it. Man, thanks so much for listening and joining us.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
On mooth sticks. That's what man, LZ how buck of
bucks into the next time we catch up with you.
It was up Football World. I am Buddy Broughton.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
That is my man, l Z, the undisputed champ of
all evaluations.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
Lands thereline joining me. L was going on, man, how
we doing.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
I think the internet would beg to disagree with you
on that one. But that's okay. I mean I put
my time in, I put my work in. That's all
you can hope to do. You just got to put
your work in, take your lumps. You win some you
lose some day. Hey, you know, some people didn't think
Jalen Brunson was good enough to be a top pick.
We saw the receipts come out and people had certain
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things to saying. That happens to us on an end.
Every year there's somebody we go back and look at
three or four years ago, like, ooh I missed on him,
Oh I hit on him. That's how That's how it works.
That's how this business works. But you know it's funny,
but getting right into it, the business works that way.
What's hard to really get a feel for in my
(01:00):
my side, right sitting in this office on man watching tape.
It's different than you when you were out on the road,
me talking to coaches, meeting players kind of playing poker.
You got to get a read of who they are
without them telling you a whole lot. You got to
find out who they are. Sometimes you can see it
on tape, you know, you can see it their body language,
the way they hold to carry themselves in the field.
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But it's those players with special characteristics.
Speaker 1 (01:26):
You know.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I brought up Jalen Brunts and there's a famous video
the point guard for the Knicks where his dad Rick
Brunts and who used to play college and pro basketball,
and as a coach, we had them out on a
playground and they were grinding. I mean, Jalen was probably
I don't know, maybe eleven twelve, something like that, and
he had him grinding. I don't know if you saw
Bucky where he's got to, you know, run all the
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way down to the other end of the court. I'm
gonna throw you the ball, you come back and shoot.
And it was he was trying to get him to
be mentally tough, to fight through fatigue and things like that,
and grinding, grinding, And then when you see what came
from that, the mental toughness of the player, you see
a special competitor. You see somebody who can thrive in
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fourth quarter situations. I bring that up because we look
for that in every sport. You want to know who's
gonna hit with men on base, You want to know
which quarterbacks have it, which pass rushers can get there
when you need to, when it's most important. They can
call up and summon up not just the physical talent,
but the mental toughness and the mental will to be victorious.
(02:34):
And we're going to talk about some trades today, but
I think Brunson is an interesting I bring up a
basketball player to start, because what he has we look
for in football all the time. We love that, and
when we see it, it's a separator.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Yeah, it is a separated and he is an outlier.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
And I think about what Becky Hammond, the basketball coach
of the Las Vegas Aces, and what she said when
she was a commentator and talked about how this is
a big man's league and you can't build around small people.
And look, if you go by the status and historical
data and trends, she is absolutely right. But every now
and then there's an outlier. Now that doesn't mean that
you should go chase outliers like Jalen Brunton, but I
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will say what he brings.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
And I was gonna tweet this last night.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
After watching him knock down shot after shot over the
San Antoni Your spurs Man toughness matters more than any
other thing. His overall toughness, mental and physical is a
separator for that team in New York. And I think
if you asked the Dallas Mavericks, they probably regret letting
him walk because when he walked out the door, some
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of that toughness went with them. And it's just one
of the things that we love to see. But I'm
glad you brought up basketball because it's time for how
to not brought to you by Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage,
and we're going to talk about a guy who had
a little bit of basketball in his background.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
Miles Garrett.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Miles Garrett get finally like I was surprised because when
the noise was dead, like Cleveland's gonna trade him. In
my mind, Lance, I never could envision the Cleveland Browns
trading a guy who was just coming off the single
season Zach Record, a guy who has dominated the game
since he walked into the field for the Browns, and.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
They traded him away to the La Ram They.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
Get like a first round pick. In return, it gives
them two picks for next year. They get Jerry Versu
In return. The la Rams get a certified dude who's
gonna be thirty, but they get a legitimate dude. And man,
my mind was just blown away when the trade became official.
What were your initial thoughts on the former number one
overall pick making his way to Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, you know, we.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Talked about it on Mock Draft Live. I've got a
cut where I kind of thought that there was a
I kind of bought into the smoke that there could
be a trade. And now I thought before the I
thought maybe before the draft, and so one of our
mock draft lives it was. It was my mock draft.
I had t J. Parker going to the Browns late,
and I can't remember where their pick was, but I
(05:02):
talked maybe I had it in an early second, I
can't remember, but we talked about TJ. Parker and I said,
this could be a pick for a movement of Miles
Garrett because I thought there was a very real person,
a very real potential chance for that just because he
doesn't want to be there, and the amount of amount
of capital that you can get back and a player
(05:24):
like Jared Verse. Obviously, it really helps to potentially reset
an organization. It's like in baseball having a closer with
a team that can't win, Like, what good is a closer?
A closer is more valuable with the players you can
get back for them. In the NFL, there's a higher
hit rate. You know, baseball trades, you have a lower
hit rate on first round picks. On football, we have
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a higher hit rate on first round picks. And then
on top of it, you get a guy like Jared Verse.
It was still shocking, still shocking to see Miles Garrett.
I expected him to get traded before the trade deadline.
I didn't think it would happen this offseason. I figured,
all right, well, if it didn't happen before the draft,
it'll happen, you know, after the it'll happen after the
trade deadline. But what we get is they can split
up some of the cap pit because you know it's
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the June post June first trade. And there was no
rumblings about this that I had heard at all. I
hadn't heard any rumblings about a deal. But when you
think about who he went to, makes perfect sense. If
there's any team that is going to swing that sword,
it's going to be the Rams, And what a great
pick up. I like the addition Bucky for both teams.
I don't know about you. We can talk about the
(06:30):
we'll talk about the brown side in the second. It's
going to be less discussed. When you look at the Rams,
You're getting a guy who is a better pure pass
rusher than Jared Verse. He knows how to finish, he
knows how to close right. Jared Verse gets a lot
of pressures. Miles Garrett knows how to get quick wins
and he knows how to close and finish with sacks.
What it's also going to do, I think is going
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to definitely draw Aaron Donald out of retirement.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
I don't know if it's gonna draw him up.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
We what, bro, He's already, he's already got posts like
I'm ready. He is showing himself working out. They asked
McVay about it, Like, dude, he's coming. I'm telling you
you're gonna have a wolf You're gonna have a whole
wolf pack out there on the defensive side. I'll bet
you Aaron Donald makes it back with Miles Garrett. They
run it back because Aaron Donald had a little post
that said staying ready. It shows him working out. What
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a great pickup for the Rams. They understand that you
got about a two year window right now with with
Matthew Stafford and his contract more likely about two year, right,
wouldn't you say that? Why not make it the most
robust championship windows possible by adding a better pass rusher
than verse? And that's not to and I'm excited about
Jared versus the Browns. I'm just saying, if we're going
(07:43):
one versus one Miles.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Gart, Yeah, Miles Garrett, two time Defensive Played of the Year,
seven time Pro Bowl, one hundred and twenty five and
a half sacks over nine years. He had twenty three
last year. He has eight seasons with at least ten sacks.
That in itself, right there, makes you do the deal,
no matter how old he is.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Just that resume.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Then the fact you talk about, Okay, it's a four year,
one hundred and sixty million dollars contract that you're bringing in.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
There's a no trade.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Clause involved, one hundred and twenty three million guaranteed. We
know he was a no show to Cleveland Brown's workouts.
He hadn't really sat down and talked to Todd Monken,
so he had already broken up with the Browns before
he broke.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Up with them.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
For the Rams, this is kind of a part of
what they do. Like, the Rams do a great job
of drafting I would say rounds three through seven and
whatever they do in the undrafted market in terms of
acquiring developing young talent. But what they really do is
they use their first and second round picks to acquire
the players they need to get over the top. Now,
(08:42):
living in La Lance, I can tell you there's a
formula for how you win in La. La is about
star power. If you think about the Lakers for a
long time, the Lakers are the Kings of ah Man.
You did a great job of developing that player, but
now that he's good, he needs to come on to Hollywood.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
That's what they do.
Speaker 2 (09:00):
I mean, think about what they've done with Lebron, thinking
about ad. Look they traded for Kobe and Kobe Jehan.
They got shocked. That is the developmental model in La.
In LA and I'm not a Lakers fan, but in
La we get stars. Look at the La Dodgers. Man,
the La Dodgers had the best farm system for years
and all that, and it was great and it worked out.
But what do the LA Dodgers do now when they
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see someone who's good. Oh, we'll pay above and beyond. Oh,
we appreciate what you did for the Angels. Oh, Tani,
but we're gonna take him. No, Mookie Betts, Oh you're
a great with the rest of us, we'll take you.
We're going to take all the great players. So now
you're looking at the La Rams. You're looking at Kronky,
their own who's in.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Oh, this is how we get down in LA. Sign
me up.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So think about Matthew Stafford Starr. They traded and acquired
for him this year alone. Everyone was talking about the
draft in ty Simpson that overshadowed. They traded away their
first round pick. They get Trent McDuffie, all Pro nickel player.
They now trade away another first round pick to get
Miles Garrett. This is what the LA Rams do. They
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trade and get a handful of stars. Then they surround
him with developmental players. This has been the model for
them to be successful. They won a Super Bowl doing
it previously. Jalen Ramsey. They went out and got Von
Miller to help him get over the top to go
with the nucleus that was already intact. They're having a
case of deja vu as they're trying to do it
again with Matthew Stafford in the twilight of his career.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's it's it's insane. I mean, they have traded every
pick in twenty nineteen. They traded out of the first
every pick. Next year's pick is Miles Garrett. This is
since McVeigh came in. Trent McDuffie. This year, you know,
the first rounder for Trent McDuffie. We know about Ty Simpson,
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they grabbed him. Jared Verse, the twenty twenty four first
round pick gone. They traded their twenty two and twenty
three first round picks and Jared Golfer Matt Stafford. They
traded twenty and twenty one for Jalen Ramsey for Brandon
Cook since Sean mcvagh got here. That's all they do
is trade out of the first round or trade their
first round pick either eventually in terms of the player,
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like Jared goff was, you know, obviously the player, so
they traded I should say the player. Well, no, that
was a sixteen pick, but they traded Jared goff when
he was you know, he was a two thousand and
sixty first round pick. Then they traded future first rounders
for Matthew Stafford. It's they they understand and they haven't
gotten burned by it so far. Like they haven't gotten
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burned by it so.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Far because I think they're comfortable with living in their
world lands and so much of what we talk about
on our side, when we talk about picks, we always
think about it directly. We got these first round picks
and we're gonna look at this draft class. They're saying,
these picks are capital their assets to allow us to
bring great players. And just because we said we want
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to get great players, it doesn't mean we're talking about
great players in the draft. We want to use those
first round picks to get great players in jail general,
and all the players that we talked about they received
as you ran down that list. Jalen Rams was an
All Pro player, helped them get over the top. You
think about trentmy Duffie coming on board, Brandon Cooks during
that time when they got Brandon Cooks, they went to
a Super Bowl with Brandon Cooks on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
So every time they've done this. It has worked out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
For them in some way, shape or form, so I
love and appreciate how they've gone about it. It also
speaks to a new trend when it comes to the league.
Michael Parson, Sauce Gardner, Max Crosby, all top level defensive
players all were traded over the last year for multiple
first round picks or first round Now Max Crosby has
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to go back, but it speaks to the new landscape.
People are trading, and they're trading away they are top
players to get these picks back, so vice versa.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
If you identify someone that you believe can take you
over the top, you will give up those marquee picks
to get it.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
And if you feel like you have a player.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
That you don't you can't resign or it's not working
with your timeline, you trade them away to get those first.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Round picks because it gives you capital in future years.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Let's take Let's take a second to talk about the
brown side of this. The Browns give up you know,
the elite, the pre eminent pass rusher in the league
and one of the top defensive players in the league
year after year. The guy who frankly stays healthy for
the most part. I mean he's missed two games over
the last five years, and he's been incredibly productive from
a sack standpoint. You mentioned some of the numbers when
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you look at his overall sack totals the last five years,
a long sixteen, sixteen, fourteen, fourteen, twenty three. I mean,
that's crazy Atlantish. And he's only thirty. He turns thirty
one I think around Christmas is what is his birthday
is right around Christmas, So he's gonna turn He's gonna
turn thirty one then, so he's still relatively young and
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obviously in great form. For the Browns, you get Jared Verse,
who's one of the top pressure over the last two years.
Jared Verse, you know, is tied with Will Anderson in
terms of total quarterback pressures, right ahead of them, Or
is Josh Heinz Allen and Daniel Hunter at one fifty eight,
Michael Parsons one fifty eight, Miles Garrett is the is
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the league leader. But it just goes to show you
Jared Vers knows how to get pressure on the quarterback.
He's an explosive player at the point of attack. He
understands how to create bull rush speed to bull very
efficient hands, violent hands. He has a feel for working
past blockers with his eyes and with his hands. I
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think the big difference is he's got to really learn
how to convert, like he's got to learn to convert
pressures to sacks. I love pressures. I love how you know,
the analytics teams and everyone in analytics loves to point
out pressures all the time, and sometime it goes over
the top where they act like pressures are more important
than sack. I think, I think you have to make
sure you have it in context when you have someone
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who can create pressures, true pressures that have an impact
on the quarterback in the pocket. Yes, that's very, very valuable,
especially if mistakes are made by the quarterback. But let's
not diminish the value of a player who understands how
to convert a pressure into a sack because of his
hand usage, his physical tools, his burst to the quarterback,
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his agility, because that's not you know, a pressure can
turn into a completion. We we hey, one hundred and
forty three, you know one hundred and sixty one pressures
for Miles Garrett, Well, some of those are completions. A
sack is a loss of yardage. A sack can change
a game. A sack can turn into a strip sack.
A sack can cause punts, it can psychologically wear on
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play callers and quarterbacks and offensive tackles. So yeah, I
love pressures like everyone else does, but let's stop sleeping
on conversions into sacks. That's still the most important thing
when you have it, and you got the premiere sack guy.
So well, the Rams just got the premiere sack guy.
But if Jared Verse can turn those pressures into sacks,
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he's going to elevate himself into that next realm up
there with Will Anderson in the AFC. Frankly, if he
can start doing that in year three, Remember he came
from Albany and he's become one of the top, you know,
pressure guys in the entire Albany. Initially, of course, he
went to Florida State for a couple of years, but
he came from Albany and portaled over to FSU and
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now he's become one of the top guys in pro
football creating pressure. I love that for the Browns that
they got that player. I also like the fact that
they collected another first round or Bucky, because what they're
doing is basically say we want to have so much
ammunition that we're going to get a quarterback we want
next year. I feel like that's one hundred percent what's
happening here unless Chador goes off this year. And if
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that happens, then that's even better for them because they
can use all their first round picks on talent to
keep building up the roster. But one way or another,
twenty seven is going to be a big year for
the Browns.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:00):
Look, you talk about a big year for the Browns
next year twenty twenty seven. Not only do they have
two first round picks, but I'm looking they have eleven
picks in that class, three fourth rounders, two fifth rounders,
two seventh rounders. In addition, they got a twenty twenty
eight second and a twenty twenty nine to third.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
That comes to them.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Coming off of the heels of a draft class where
they had Mason Graham, Carson Swestinger, Quinn, Shawn Jenkins, Harrol Finn,
and Jr.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Shador Sanders throwing Isaiah Bond. They're cooking with.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Gas and no disrespect to Paul Dee Podesta, but Andrew
Berry has been in his bag since Dee Podesta left
and went back to baseball. This team has been queshing
it and the other part about the Jared Verst thing,
he's due. Potentially they can start talking a contract after
the twenty twenty six sees. For the Rams, it was
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going to be problematic because you had Kobe Turner and
Byron Young, two young players who also were playing great
right Young quietly had twelve sacks. So for the Rams,
they were going to have to make a decision on
which two of those three could they pick. By getting
Miles Garrett, it takes them out of that conversation and
it kind of resets what they want to do with
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all their young guys, Pukinnakua included. But for the Browns,
Jared Verse becomes a foundational player. He becomes a centerpiece
to a young, dynamic defense. To remember, Jim Swartz is
no longer calling this defense, so this is going to
be a different looking defense schematically, Mason Graham is a
young piece, Carson Swessinger is a young piece.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Now you have a.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Young, energetic, dynamic Jared Verse, even though you lose the
sack leader who commanded a bunch of attention. You might
be able to do it by committee because the collective
is talented, is hungry, and it really fits the persona
that the Dog Pound and their fans, but they appreciate
that takes place in Cleveland.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
And you added Emanuel McNeil Warren in a second round
dynamic safety from this year's class, Spencer fan Out, Concepcion
and Boston two wide receivers in that group for you know,
for this year, but of course also for the future.
So when you think about Jared versus three years of
club control, You've got, yeah, the fifth year option, the
contract's going to bounce up, but you got three years
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of club control, which is a really big deal. As
you continue to try to build up that roster. You
don't have a bunch of expensive pieces on the roster
right now, so the Browns can really focus on using
all these draft picks, I mean and frankly taking some
of the fourth rounders that they have that you mentioned
that they have next year and really piling them up
to move up even higher, to try to you know,
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I think you'd love to circle every draft. You'd love
to circle three guys minimum that you get that are
that are starters for you in the future, you want
at least four that are big contributors for you. I
think the Browns just grabbed four to five this year,
and now they're in position with Jared Verse, who is
a hit for them right off the bat. He's a hit.
You look at the picks that they have coming up
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in the future, and if they can get the quarterback
position right, I mean, maybe Andrew Berry can finally pull
the Browns out of this malaise that they've been in.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
I think look as bad as it is to lose
a halt and look in all Timer a future Hall
of Famer and those things. I think if you're the Browns,
you're optimistic that this is the rare win win trade
that we see in the league. I'm gone excited to
see how this plays out, not only for the rams
of how the Browns look. There's gonna be a lot
of conversation about this going forward, but we will see
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Lance Let's take a break and then we'll come back
and talk about the New England Patriots. Finally getting AJ Brown,
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AILZ the worst kept secret in the league. AJ Brown
is traded from the Philadelphia Eagles to the New England Patriots.
Mike Rabel gets his guy from way back. They started
together with the Tennessee Titans. AJ Brown was phenomenal with
the Titans, goes to the Philadelphia Eagles, continues to be
a phenom for them, leads them to a Super Bowl title.
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But now he joins a young Drake may Romeo Dobbs
on the outside. They have a very interesting offense in
New England. What are your thoughts on this trade?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
I like it. I think anytime you deal with with
AJ Brown, you know right now there's gonna be some questions.
Kind of it didn't end great in Tennessee when he
was there. He wanted his way out of there. We
know there was some you know, some things weren't always
cohesive with Aj and maybe Jalen Hurts and some of
the in that team. The New England number one, Mike
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Rabel knows AJ Brown. AJ Brown and Mike Rabel are
going to be comfortable with each other, at least to
an extent, maybe fully comfortable with each other. I think
that's one advantage. The second thing is you got to
really look New England. This is a move for New
England because New England says, we got here sooner than
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we maybe expected, at least I feel like they got
there sooner than I expected. Probably you expected. Now that
we're here, we might as well try to win this thing.
We just got in the Super Bowl when no one
expected it. So let's speed up the process. Elliott Wolf
and Mike Vrabel and his guy. Where they were all
trying to speed the process up, well now, I mean
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they were all trying to build in a process. Well
the process got sped up now because they were much
better than anticipated. So he needs a number one, Drake
May needs to have a number one AJ Brown, whether
it's with the and look, he's not the fastest wide
receiver out there. He just knows how to win the
football and he knows how to be He's a very
productive player. And so Dobbs Romeo Dobbs is there. You
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have AJ Brown there, you have a legitimate one. And
I think a two or three. Dobbs still has a
little bit to prove. But I do think he makes
that wide receiving corps a lot better with New England.
And I know New England's very excited about Traveon Henderson
right now. They think Romandre and Trayveon, they they believe
that this is getting ready to be just an explosive
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duo this year. That they really love what those two
guys are going to bring to the table in their
second year together as kind of a thunder and lightning combination.
So learning to use Trevion Henderson a little more effectively,
I think will really help that team create more explosive plays.
But so will having a player that your quarterback can
depend on as a safety blanket. And aj Brown and
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in Romeo Dobs, you know, he's a player that's also
tough when it's time to make contested catches. Matt Collins
has some juice to go vertical. You've got Kyle Williams, who, hey,
they an't forgotten about Kyle Williams. Kyle Williams is still
somebody that they're very excited about in New England. So
it's a better wide receiving core than Drake Man and
the Steeler and the than the Patriots had last year.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
Yeah, look a much better deal. Now here's what I'll
say about AJ Brown. AJ Brown is a legitimate number
one if you go back and you just look at
the numbers that he put up. Look, man, he had
two fourteen hundred yard seasons back to back. Since twenty nineteen,
he has the fourth most receiving yards, fourth most touchdown catches.
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You think about him and Jamar Chase are the only
guys with one thousand yards and seven plus touchdowns since
that time.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
So he is a dominant receiver.
Speaker 2 (24:28):
And what I love about putting him with Romeo Dobbs,
Romeo Dobbs is interchangeable on the perimeter.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
You can do a bunch of things with them.
Speaker 2 (24:34):
They signed Dobbs to a four year, sixty two sixty
eight million dollar deal, and they can take advantage of
those players. You talked about Kyle Wellson when he was
being able to be a big time playmaker down the
field and make it happen. And you think about, Look,
they have Mac Collins, Keayshawn Bouti. They have a lot
of weapons that can do a bunch of different things
for the Patriots. And the overall physicality of their wide
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receiver corps is going to help the running as you
talked about Treyvon Henderson Remindrew Stevenson.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
I like all of that.
Speaker 2 (25:04):
But here's why I really like it is because when
you're doing deals, a lot of times with the trade,
it's about the unknown. We think this guy'd be good
for us, but man, how does he fit in our
locker room? Chemistry, character, all that other stuff. Mike Rabel
knows AJ Brown. Mike Rabel was distraught. I would say
the beginning of the demise in Tennessee was when that
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trade happened on Draft night, when they said AJ Brown
to Philly because Mike Rabel knew that that was his guy.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Well, now he gets his guy.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Back, and we just understand how he ticks and what
might have been viewed as temperamental in Philly. Maybe Mike
Rabel doesn't see him that way because their connection is different.
I like the move for the Patriots. That's it. I
don't know if it's going to make them a better
team because they have a tougher schedule, but I do
know Drake May should have another opportunity to take a step.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
And I know we talked about easy tip five.
Speaker 2 (25:56):
Is he not AJ Brown should help Drake May by
himself as a top five player at the quarterback spot.
Speaker 3 (26:03):
Buck, y'all, I gotta ask you this, okay, because you're
the you're the You're the perfect person to ask this too,
because you're in the media, so you see things a
little different. You played cornerback, you play wide receiver. Why
is it that the wide receivers in the cornerbacks are
the biggest divas in the entire sport? You played them both.
I don't really consider you a diva. I mean, you
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like your ice coffee a certain kind of way. But
I'm trying to find out. I'm trying to figure out
why is it What is it that makes the wide
receiver and then the players covering them, the cornerbacks, the
biggest divas.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
On the football Okay. So I tell it to you
very simply.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
If you're a wide receiver, come from a wide receiver
growth and development. When you're a wide receiver and you
don't touch the ball, you're just doing cardio. And no
one wants to do cardio for sixty minutes. No one
signs up to just run up and down the field
without being a part of the process. So for wide receivers,
the only way they can really impact the game is
they have to feel like they have it, and if
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they go long stretches without touching it, then they're like, oh,
now you're gonna come to me in the fourth quarter.
Speaker 1 (27:06):
I don't have a rhythm. And so that's why it's.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
So hard for wide receivers because without the ball, you
can't really make an impact on the game and you
get tired of running up and down the field for
the dbs.
Speaker 1 (27:17):
Look, I'm gonna say this is the Dion Sanders effect.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
For a long time, cornerbacks didn't get any recognition until
a prime kind of created that alter ego where he
became flashy and boisterous and flamboyant, and everyone saw the
attention that Dion got, and Dion was able to kind
of parlay that into superstardom that extended beyond the field.
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So some of that is a bit of the copycat
nature of the position. But the farther that you get
away from the ball, the more likely you're going to
have to deal with different personalities, and I think everyone
in the building has to understand that. And it's also
important that with both of those positions, the people that
coach those positions, let's be able to handle big personalities
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because their room is typically filled with big personnel.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
That's a great point. It's not made and that's why
you see a lot of times the coaches. So what
a lot of people may not realize is that coming
up in the coaching world, your dad's been a coach.
My dad, now, my dad was only an O line coach.
He was a tight end coach, but it was blocking
stuff whenever he was with Bill Yeoman at University of
Houston way back when he very first started. O line's
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kind of one of those positions you need to be
around that most of the time. You don't just bounce
in and out of O line. But there's a lot
of guys, a lot of coaches who have experienced coach
wide receivers or running backs or every once in a
while they cross over, but wide receiver. When you look
at the NFL coaches position coaches, there's a lot of
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former wide receivers there. And I know a lot of
times people think, well, yeah, because they played position, they
also understand how to handle the position.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
The temperament is everything.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Because you know what I'm gonna tell you, man, one
of my best buds Sjohn Jefferson, who is with the
New York Jets right now, he is the designated back up.
Wherever he goes, he doesn't care. He shoots it straight,
He keeps it real. He has the ability to take
what he was able to do as a player teach it,
teach the position very well, but more importantly, he does
a great job of managing the personalities. Another buddy of
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mine that I played with, Keenan mccardo, is up in
Minnesota and he's been a long time receiver coach and
he is someone who, as they say, got it out
the mud to.
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Carve out a long career.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
But what he's been able to do is not only
teach it, but he's able to control the personalities. Because
Lance everyone sees it man like, look, man, you got
to be part psychologists when you dealing with them guys,
because look, they're right on the edge when it comes
to their personalities and the explosive temper tantrums and all that.
So you have to be able to manage that while
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also equipping them with the fundamentals. And because a lot
of former players are doing it, they understand that fine line.
And look, I can't go without saying Reggie Wayne, who
worked with us for a long time in NFL UH network.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Hey also understands one of the great teachers.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
You have to kind of understand what it's like to
live in that world, to be able to not only
relate to the coaches but to the players, because the
coach will like, what's up with your guy, and the
players are like coach, and so you have to kind
of be that that arbitrator in the middle trying to
negotiate what's going on. But yeah, No, it's a very
unique position to coach and one that requires a different temperament,
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uh to play it because there's so many.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Different things that are involved in being successful in that problem.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
There's a lot of them. I'm looking now Wes Welker
with the Dolphins, all of them, and join Randwell with
the Bears.
Speaker 4 (30:37):
You've got Jerry Colbert with the Broncos, Rob Moore old
school Rob Moore with the Yeah with the Carolina Panthers,
Greg Lewis, Eric Yarver is there with the Rams, Bobby Ingram,
commanders like yeah so.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Nam and a lot of a lot of former players,
a lot of guys that come from different backgrounds that
that that understand how to do it. You have to
be able to relate to not only the stars, but
you got to be able to developed the young guys
that are coming up.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Are you a route runner? Are your technician? All of
those things matter.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
And then I'll say this because down in Jacksonville Edgar Bennett,
who was my old vet in Green Bay, he was
a running back who has made that position. But a
lot of it is his temperament. He's tried to give
guys a blue collar mentality at wide receiver, and that
comes to the toughness and blocking, the toughness in catching
the ball and running after the catch.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
All of those things matter.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
And I will say this, and wrapping up about this segment,
I was blessed Charlie Joiner, Hall of Fame, Wide receiver,
long time with the Charges. Was my position coach in Buffalo.
One look got kid. He used to make me call
him greatest greatness whenever I would see him, Ladies, dude
would tell me, hey, man, when you see me, don't
call me coach, you call me great Okay, okay, Charlotte.
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And he would tell all these stories. But he had
a great temperament. He was the wise old owl in
the back of the room. In that room with Andre
Reed and Bill Brooks and Don Beebee and others. He
had to all of that stuff. But yeah, it is
a different position. Different personalities play that position. But if
you have the right coach man, you can get great
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talent and production, performance and production from those guys.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Yeah, and let's face it, a really good wide receiver. Look,
some of them are a pain in the butt right now,
there's just no way around it. But also their impact
on games can be so substantial that you pay them more.
You deal with more from a wide receiver than you
might from another position. But they also have incredible impacts
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on the Game's changed, it's really changed. I mean it
wasn't like this before. But it used to be the
running backs, but it's it's shifted to wide receiver.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
It's changed.
Speaker 2 (32:44):
And the next change is going to be how many
people move on from wide receivers. Because we talked about
the new England side, we didn't talk about Philly, but Philly.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
Remember, Look, it's a cost. Aj Brown.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
I think that the cap charge whatever's gonna be like
forty million dollars that you talked about them splitting it
up in two, but now they're gonna have to do
it by committee.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Per se. They have Devonte Smith, who was.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
Maybe cold wide receiver one with aj Brown, now he
steps into their role. But some of the other guys,
they have Mikayle Lewis, d'antevin Wicks, Hollywood Brown, Elijah Moore,
all those guys having to do it collectively. Good thing
is Sean Mannon is coming over and he has been
a guy who has seen it done a few different ways.
He's seen it done where hey, let's just move the
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pieces around the chessboard and figure it out. This position
that I would say is at a crossroads. You have
to either commit to paying not one, but two guys
big money to do it, or you're gonna have to
be in a position where you pay one guy and
then expand the top pick on another guy and hope
that those timelines work well together, because it is becoming
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so cost prohibitive to pay these receivers as now. The
money's getting into that thirty five to forty million dollars range,
which is crazy.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
I mean, he used to be Cincinnati paid their quarterback
in both wide receivers and they let they had to
let them pass rusher, you know, they let their pass
rusher go. It is it really is. But there's such
an influx of wide receivers in every draft, as you know,
Bucky from covering the draft with me, there's so many
to choose from that. I think more and more teams
are going to do like you said, the ones, especially
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if you can get a rookie on a on a
if you get a quarterback on a rookie contract, it's
a lot easier to pay two wide receivers. The Bengals
are trying to pay everybody, so we'll see. You know,
it's hard to win on the perimeters. If you're paying
just the perimeters, you got to win in the trenches
at some point, or it's hard to win titles. But
more and more I think there are going to be
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some teams who say, look, we're willing to get away
from a wide receiver because we think we can find
another wide receiver in the draft. We know that's how
they believe running backs work. Only special running backs get
extra contracts, And I think right now special wide receivers
are going to be getting that thirty million dollars you know,
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knock they're gonna get that thirty million dollars. But after that,
it's gonna be really tough because if you've got a
quarterback already that you're gonna be paying sixty million a
year or two or more, which is where that number
is headed, you have to really figure out how to
move your your salary cap pieces around, Like we're going
to be a quarterback and two wide receiver team. Are
we going to pay a number one wide receiver? Are
(35:19):
we going to try to do this with three really
good wide receivers, But they're all wide receiver twos, and
we're gonna spend our money on pass rushers.
Speaker 1 (35:27):
And I like it.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
I like the fact that there's different ways to, you know,
to build a roster. I think it's fun like that.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
But it is fun like that.
Speaker 2 (35:33):
Now I will say this, and this goes all the
way back to my time in Green Bay when Mike
Homgrim was the coach, and he always talked about the
better the quarterback, the less of the importance of the receiver.
And he would say, Chase gold jacket quarterbacks with a
solid system, and we can elevate the play of the
pass catches around it.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
And he talked about I don't need all a's.
Speaker 2 (35:56):
I can win a lot of games with a bunch
of bs and B plus's on the perimeter, the quarterback
is an A.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
A lot of what we talk about, yeah, a lot
of it.
Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah, yeah, A lot of what we talked about is
depending on how good the quarterback is. If the quarterback
is an A plus, then I can play with bees.
But if the quarterback is in an A, then I
need those a's around him to be able to elevate.
And so you have to be able to scout your team,
scout your quarterback and understand what he needs to be successful.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
And when you do that, it certainly can work.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
For Yeah, well, it's fascinating. It was a good Uh,
this is a good show today. I enjoyed it. This
is it. We don't usually get these kind of a
topics like, uh, the AJ Brown trade, but AJ Brown
that barely even I don't know about you, but on
my sports talk show was like we barely. I was
flying back from New York when I got the news,
(36:49):
and I told my wife. I was just scrolling through yeah,
through through Twitter and like, wait what what Miles Garrett
got Dell? So yeah, I was shocked. I mean I
thought it could happen before the d but once it
didn't happen, I thought Okay, well maybe before the trade deadline,
but then when you saw it was the Rams to it.
I'm telling you, Buck, the next domino to falls. Here
comes Aaron Donald back. You think he's not in shape.
Speaker 1 (37:11):
You don't know, No, I think no, no.
Speaker 2 (37:13):
I think what he's going to do is what they
did with Eric. Well, I think Aaron Donald comes. It's
a late November December, moved a full season like the
hired gun to help us get over the top.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
Hey man, I'm not going to through all that training
camp and all these other stuff. Nah, I'm coming for
the good stuff.
Speaker 2 (37:34):
Give me the stretch, right, I need a handful of
games to get ready to play, and then let's get
to the playoffs because I'm not really.
Speaker 1 (37:43):
I'm not wasting.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
It makes the most sense if you think about it.
Although he's not old by any stretch, but if you
think about it, that would be the best way to
handle Aaron Donald is at the most, at the most,
let him play, you know, let him come back the
week after a buy. I don't know when the Rams
by it, but you're right, I mean at the most games.
You think now, he's the kind of guy that might
run up there and say no, no, no, I want to
(38:05):
be part of this preseason because I'm doing this anyway
on my own for fun. I'm working like this on
my own. And he had a workout, but he had
forty five one hand, like a like a robot. His
workout was crazy.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
Well, look, well we'll bookmark because when he does come back,
we'll talk about it.
Speaker 1 (38:23):
But yeah, he's a freak of nature.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
But if I am them, I am having that conversation
and don't worry about we only need you those last
like come back week ten, week eleven, end up, get.
Speaker 1 (38:33):
Hot for the run, get lathered up, and be ready
to go.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Yeah that's enough because look at it take him about
a month to kind of get back into the rhythm
and then head into the postseason, he's good enough to
make a handful of plays that they need.
Speaker 1 (38:45):
With old big fellow on the other side, can you.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
Imagine putting both of them on the same side running games.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Huh, that's crazy.
Speaker 3 (38:54):
I remember you got Brandon Fisk, who he can't slow down.
He's always playing with a hot motor. I mean, it's yeah,
it's gonna be. I mean, they're clearly the favorites to
win the league. But that's a that's another topic for
another another podcast.
Speaker 2 (39:08):
Hey, we'll get to that next podcast and we'll talk
about it. Man, thanks so much for listening and joining us.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
On mooth sticks. That's what man, LZ how buck of
bucks into the next time we catch up with you.
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