April 11, 2024 • 44 mins
Jesse Kelly is unapologetically pro-life and he is outraged over how some on the right are handling this latest ruling out of the Arizona Supreme Court, including Donald Trump. Another thing to be outraged about is inflation. We just got the latest numbers and they're not good. Carol Roth breaks them all down for Jesse. Plus, appearances from Senator Ron Johnson and Jeffrey Clark.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Let's talk about revolution, abortion, inflation. Senator Ron Johnson's here
to talk Faiza. We're going to talk about another American
suffering under the justice system.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
All that and more coming up.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And I'm right, you know, there's something different about us
as Americans, and there's a lot of very good things
that are different about us as Americans. Don't ever feel
ashamed to be an American, but we should understand that
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we have something in our minds. You have something in
your mind. I have something in my mind that is
probably not true. And this is that something. This is
that something.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Revolution.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
When we think about revolution, rebellion, we kind of like it,
don't we. Why, Well, we're Americans. We had a revolution here.
We were under the British government. They were oppressive, taxing, Nah,
and honest, we had a revolution.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We rebelled, We had a revolution.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And after our revolution things got.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Better for us, better for us.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No more kings, no more British Oh my gosh, we're free,
we have a constitution.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Things got better for us.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So the idea of rebellion and revolution for us as
Americans kind of is cool, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, revolution, But you ever read any history study any
history books at all.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
When we talk about history on the show, there is
something historically that you can see over and over and
over again. And if you weren't thanking God that you
were an American before, you should be.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Thanking him now when I dropped this one on you.
There haven't been very many good revolutions in the history
of the world. And when I say good, this is
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Almost always, when people rise up in anger and they
cast out whoever the evil leader is, a king, a government,
it doesn't matter what it is, and the people generally
have a good reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah we're mad.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Government sucks. Normally that government does suck. It's evil, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But the people rise up and they cast out the government.
Almost every single time, things get worse.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
For the people in that country. You know. We Haiti. Look,
Haiti is actually a great example of this.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
They had some of the worst slavery in the Western
world in hay in Haiti.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It was despicable a sugar cane harvesting. It was torture,
it was so bad, treating people like dirt. And eventually
they had enough and they rose up and had a revolution.
There were things in Haiti today so dump maybe the
worst place on the planet today. Over and over and
over again. You see this throughout history. The reason I'm
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bringing this up is there is something happening on a
macro level, on a thirty thousand foot level, there's something
happening on the right and the GOP, the old GOP,
the old way of doing things, the mitt Romney's, the bushes,
the whatever. Maybe you love that way, maybe you hate
it that way, but that way is going away. You
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can see it if you don't get too caught up
in the minutia. You can see it with all the
retirements in the Senate, in the House. You can see
it with people who lose primaries now versus people who
win primaries.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not happening as fast as you want or as
fast as I want, but it is happening.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And that is a good thing. The old GOP is garbage.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's useless, it's weak, it didn't conserve anything for us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good send it out. The GOP is being remade. It
is being remade.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
There is a revolution happening within the GOP, and it
is good that the old GOP is going away. However,
we live right now, you and I we live in
dangerous times on the right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And this is why this.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is the time, this revolutionary we're in right now in
the GOP, this is the time that will decide what
the new GOP will actually look like. You see, when
we talk about casting out the old, we sound very
much like an angry Russian citizen under the Tsars. The
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old sucks, the Tsar family sucks, that are oppressive, and
we're hungry, and everything sucks.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
They suck. They gotta go.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And we're right about that, right that old GOP sucks.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They gotta go.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But then those same people five years later, ten years later,
found themselves being tortured to death in a gulag beside
their family members. Why, well, the old win, but the
new was actually worse than what they just got rid
of the Bolsheviks when they took over. What will the
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new GOP look like, Well, it will be determined by
these times right now, by what we decide we're for,
what we decide were against, what we push for, what
normal people, you me, what we tell our congressmen about
our state House is about. We are deciding now what
the new GOP will be. And that brings me to
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the issue of abortion. Okay, let's get something straight here,
because I'm gonna make this really really fast.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I understand completely Republicans who run nationally and try to
avoid the issue of abortion. Why because abortion is very
popular with women in the United States of America, married women,
single women, Democrats, Republicans pulled after polled after poll says
women do not want it banned. Sadly, we live in
a country full of women who love to kill their babies.
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I know that's terrible, but that is the kind of
country we live in. So I understand this way of
thinking on the right. And I understand Trump's not really
reversal on the issue. He's never been that pro life
anyway throughout his life. But I understand what Remember after
the midterms, Remember some of the midterms weren't a red wave,
it was a red trickle. And remember Trump put out
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this statement, kind of a random statement, taking.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
A shot at pro lifers. It wasn't my fault that
the Republicans didn't give up the expectations in the midterms.
I was two hundred and thirty three and twenty. It
was the abortion issue poorly handled by many Republicans, especially
those that firmly insisted on no exceptions, even in the
case the rape, incest or life or the mother that
lost a large number of voters, so on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And so on. Okay, wasn't my fault. It was the
pro lifers. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So that's obviously how Trump thinks. Trump does his own
social media. That was him in the middle of the night,
pouring his heart and soul out. And then it was
what two days ago, it was Monday. Trump made this
little announcement on social media.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Many people have asked me what my position is on
abortion and abortion rights, especially since I was proudly the
person responsible for the ending of something that all legal
scholars both sides wanted and in fact demanded be ended
Row v. Waite. They wanted it ended. My view is,
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now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from
a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or
legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be
the law of the land, in this case, the law
of the state.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, whatever they decide must be the law of the land.
Send abortion back to the States. Many people had a
problem with that, many people did not. Maybe you love it,
maybe you hate it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But that was Trump Monday he send it back to
the states.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
All right, both people could live with it.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Even extreme pro life is like me, okay, fine, deal
with it. I believe we have to deal with abortion
culturally anyway. But let's move ahead. We got this word
yesterday about this ruling in Arizona, Arizona Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
They did a ruling.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What did it say, Well, it's said that Arizona can
ban abortion completely. It was a state level decision. You know,
they were just saying, return it to the states. It
was returned to the states. The states made a decision, yes,
you can ban abortion completely in Arizona. Carry Lake promptly
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came out. She's running for Senate as a Republican in Arizona.
Promptly came out and trashed the ruling. In fact, she
called on the Democrat governor of Arizona to come up
with legislation more reasonable. She called for Democrat legislation that
would allow more abortions. That's the Senate candidate in Arizona,
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Republican Senate candidate. Okay, so you just said return it
to the states. They returned it to the states. They
banned it. Then now you're against it. And I assumed
the Trump would be okay with that ruling, because he
just said on Monday, returned it to the states.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But then but then Trump said this today. Oh thanks sir,
President Arizona, go too, Park.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Arizona go to war.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Yeah, they did, and I'll be straightened out.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, it's all about the states.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Right, say that, and I'm turned to the governor and
everybody else. They're going to bring it back into reason
and that will be taking care of.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I think very quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, the governor.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, they went too far there, and the Democrat.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Governor is going to bring it back into reason. Okay. Well,
like I said, I don't have.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Any problem with Donald Trump making a statement about abortion
back to the states. Fine, I don't expect him to
be with me there. It goes back to the state.
The state makes a ruling abortions ban. Remember I was
talking about about the new GOP and revolutions and kind
of that be careful what you wish for kind of
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a thing. Look, I'm gonna tell you this, and this
is just you and me talking, all right. You know,
I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but
I'm going to tell you this. The Republican Party they
give me big spending, just like Democrats do. The Republican
Party they fund the FBI just like Democrats. The Republican
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Party doesn't want to repeal the Obamacare law that's been
destroying our healthcare system ever since, just like Democrats do.
Democrat position after Democrat position after Democrat position. Republican Party
leaders just tried to get amnesty through, just like Democrats do.
I've been voting Republican.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
My entire life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I've had a list of reasons why I can't vote Democrat,
and I mean I have to vote Republicans. I've got
a few things that they're better on. You're better on
the border, that type of thing. My list is getting
awfully small on the Republican side. And after this revolution,
whatever this is, if the new GOP, if they're all
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done with those foreign wars. But hey man, abortion's fine.
I don't want to lose an election. If that's the
new GOP, can count me out. All that may have
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
We'll be back. I think we can feel great about
our economy.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
I was gonna ask, see what you made up to
the last jobs report. Well, it your shows that US
is firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
May thanks are going so well? I am excited. I'm
excited to hear that. Joining me now, Carol Roth. She
is a world.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Famous author at this point in time. Her latest book
is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You will Own Nothing, you know, Carol, Well, I don't
even have to introduce her anymore. Okay, Carol? Three point
five percent inflation. It's obviously much much much worse than that,
but that's the official number they're going with.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What should we do with all this stuff?
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Well, the inflation report did come in hotter than Jesse
Kelly after eating a bucket of extra spicy wings, which
is Clayman's term for Yes, it was even worse than
Wall Street. And as you mentioned, we know that the
number that they published is far below what the issues
are that are being felt by average Americans who are
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having trouble buying food, paying their rent and mortgages, and
just getting by with living. Except that the elite wants
to not only tell you that you're wrong. You know,
it's bad enough that they have created the situation that
you're in, but they need to gaslight you. They need
to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about,
that they have a chart and that things are going
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really well. And I think that's really part of the
frustration here is that not only have they created this
completely predictable situation that was entirely avoidable, and now after
they have burnt the house down, the arsonist is standing
there and going, no, the house isn't burnt down.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
It looks great, and I think that's where people are
really feeling the extra gut punch, because they're hurting and
instead of acknowledging that we've growed up, no, these people
who have created this issue are telling you that you're
doing phenomenal, That the economy is charging on all cylinders, well,
charging on all cylinders from an inflationary standpoint, but you
have well death charging on all cylinders. The deficit is
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charging on all cylinders. Interest is charging all cylinders. So
I guess technically she's correct in some ways, but unfortunately
it's also charging right.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Off a fiscal cloth. Carol.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
To get to the basics of this, and I know
this is very basic, the numbers can get confusing for
stupid people like me. We see inflation at three point
five percent. And yet you dig into the numbers and
here are some of them. Car insurance up twenty two percent,
car repair twelve, baby formula ten, veterinarian ten, rent five
point nine, electricity five restaurants. I don't see three point
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five anywhere on here, And Carol, I may have failed
algebra many, many.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Many times, and that's a true story, by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But even I know if you add up a bunch
of numbers that are all above three point five and
then divide them by those by the amount of items
on the list, you can't possibly get to three point five.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So how are we at three point five? Kerl?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yes, they're you know, some other items that they've thrown
into the list that they say are are negative and
are counteracting.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
These things, you know, those things that you know.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Not everybody's buying because they can't afford to buy them, Jesse,
because they have use up all their money on basic
things like commodities and rent. So you know, but as
we've said before, the numbers themselves are trash. Not only
has the government had a hard time getting people to
respond to these surveys that they do and entities to respond,
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so they have more modeling and more biases in the data,
but they've changed their methodology for the way that they've
computed this many times since nineteen eighty, so the data
isn't reliable. And I think this is why you're getting
the disconnect between the Paul Krugman's of the world and
these other corporate press mouth pieces and Biden administration folks
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were going, well, you know, look at these things that
say everything is going so great, and then people who
are going to the grocery store, on the gas station,
they should really conduct these interviews.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think one of my Twitter followers said this, you're.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
At a gas station or you know, at a grocery store,
have Janet Yellen sit down with the media, you know,
at the end of the registry, after somebody has checked
out their groceries, and have her tell them directly that
that number on the screen isn't real and that the
economy is firing on all cylinders. I think maybe we
would get a different outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Carol, I mentioned you are a world famous author. Now,
of course, like me, I'm just kidding. She's written a
lot more books than I have. But one of your
books is The War on Small Business. It was one
of my favorite ones you wrote, and I've been talking
about this a lot of my radio show recently, that
what I see happening when you look at the jobs
going to non American citizens versus citizens. Non citizens, it's
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almost four million over four years. American citizens it's down
almost one hundred thousand and almost four years. When you
look at the stock market doing well, but then you
dig into that and you find out it's just a
big fortune fifty right, it's the Fortune five hundred doing well.
Small business is closing in mass still, what it looks
like to me is a massive blood sucking in this
economy from all the hals, just hoovering up everything and
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taking it away from the middle and lower class.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's what I see happening. Am I wrong?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
You are not wrong, And one of these days I
would like for you to be wrong, Jesse, because unfortunately,
all these things that you continue to be right about
are highly depressing. But we have had over the past
several years this historic transfer of wealth from main Street
to Wall Street. And so not only does that mean
that the middle and working class are getting crushed and
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the small businesses are getting crushed, but then you're creating
more class warfare that can be used to then go
ahead and attack the middle and working class and small businesses.
It's like the same playbook that they run over and
over again, and just the sort of disconnect from reality
is really allowing for this to have, allowing for cheerleading.
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If you look out in California at this twenty dollars
minimum wage that they've instituted for fast food companies, and
now you're seeing all of these franchises going out of business,
which we again completely predicted because of course that was
going to happen. And then you know, these people don't
have jobs anymore, and the only people who are left
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that can afford this are the big companies that can
invest in automation. And oh, by the way, even if
you're not a restaurant company, when you have somebody who
can go to a bigger company and have no skills
and flip burgers and get paid twenty dollars an hour,
then your business, whatever it's in may not be able
to compete with that for low skilled wages, and oh,
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by the way, for higher skilled wages, because if you're
somebody who has skills and someone with no skills is
getting paid twenty dollars an hour. You of course want
to get paid more, but this doesn't happen in a vacuum.
That means it's going to push up the cost of everything,
push up prices, and that's why one of the reasons
why we're continuing to see this inflation, So things like that,
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things like the government overspending, has these ancillary impacts, as
you said, which is really creating this haves and have nots,
and we know throughout history that that has not ended
very well, and it's really against the sort of fundamental
foundation of what America is about. The whole idea of
the American dream is that anybody can come to this
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country and it doesn't matter who you are, where you
were born, you know what kind of a background you have.
But if you work hard, and you work smart, and
you do the right things and you save that you
can achieve a really nice, financially free and independent life
the way that you want. And unfortunately, the central planners
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are putting up barriers to that, and they're only allowing
that for the elite and well connected. And this is
the back of that hope in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So if it.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Goes away here, there's nowhere else you're going to get that,
and that's why it's so important for us to continue
to fight for it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Amen, Carol, you are the best, best, You are the best.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thanking. I appreciate it, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Joe Biden, the Biden administration, they're trying to do a
lot of things, really evil things. The Republicans are going
to help them pass Faiza. Are they really not to
Senator Ron Johnson about that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Next? Before we get to Ron Johnson, let's get to this,
all right. You just heard her. We've talked about this
a manion times.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm not trying to be you know, she said, she
hates when I'm right, and I hate when I'm right.
I'm not trying to be down. I'm trying to make
sure we're ready. Are we ready? What have you done
to get ready? Get ready for what?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Inflation's hotter than expected. You know, they haven't stopped printing money, right,
they haven't stopped spending.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's just they haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They're bragging about not cutting a dime. Chuck Schumer himself bracking,
Oh well we didn't cut a nickel is actually what
he said. That's this direct quote. Have you made preparations?
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Speaker 2 (21:35):
All right? Eight three three nine nine five gold. We'll
be back. Colin said, you're.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Gonna offer a motion to dismiss the impeachment charges on Thursday.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Are you at all concerned that if.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Some Democrats and tough races both for that and you
can come back.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
To walk them on a campaign dro Look, we're gonna
try and was all this issue as quickly as possible.
Impeachment should never be used to settle policy disagreements.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We're going to try to resolve this issue. Well, it's
quite an issue, isn't it. You've been handed an impeachment.
You do have to have a trial, right, We'll see
if they play that game. Joining me now, a great
senator from the state of Wisconsin, Senator Ron Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Senator Look, I can see it coming. I'm sure you
can see it coming.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
There's no way there's going to be an impeachment trial, right,
Only Republicans would do something so stupid.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Well, it's certainly what Santa Schumer is talking about right now.
And it's pretty obvious why they don't want impeachment trial
is they don't want the public understanding what a catastrophe
their open border policy is, so that they want a
table this as quickly as possible and move on. But
Republicans here in the Center, we're trying to do everything we
can to highlight this issue. We held a press conference
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yesterday saying that our constitution response ability to hold a
trial when the House managed to send over the articles
of impeachment, and it's certainly our responsibility to point out
the American public the clear and present danger that is
President Biden and his Democrat colleagues in Congress their open
border policy. And it's extremely important to understand that it's
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not just President Biden. This is every Democrat in Congress
supports an open border. They caused this problem, They just
don't want the American public to understand the full extent
of it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Senator, how much power do we have the power to
force a trial. People don't understand how this works with
motions and this and that. Normal people don't understand how
that works.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Do we have the juice without the majority to force
a trial?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, probably not, particularly now the parliamentarian has ruled that
a motion the table would be in order. We don't
agree with that, but once in Parliamentarian rules, that's basically
how the Senate operates. But again, we don't have to
lay down, and we're not a number of US contacted
Speaker Johnson, who had intended to deliver those articles today
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at five o'clock, setting up Schumer's tabling motion Thursday at
one o'clock. That's generally when the Senate is a journey
for the week and people are heading back to their states.
So they wanted to snuff this thing out this week.
A number of US contacted Speaker Johnson. He didn't really
understand the Senate only works till about noon on Thursday,
and so he decided to delay delivering those articles. So
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we can make the point that we should hold a trial,
but certainly can we can make the point about what
a catastrophe Biden's open border policy is.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, it's obvious. They don't want to actually solve this problem.
Even though old Papa.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Joe was on TV talking about shutting down the border.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Here he was, have you made a final decision on
taking executive order in terms of what do you want
to do at the border that includes the power to
shut down the border, as it was suggested.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Well, it suggested that we're examining whether or not I
have that power.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Why do these people pretend now, it's just it's very
obvious to everyone, isn't it, Senator. They don't want the
border clothes, They want it open.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
It's obvious to me, it's obvious to you. But it's
all should be obvious that President Biden has the authority.
President Trump had the authority, even though it's been weakened
by court decisions. A president has, you know his the
current laws exude difference is what Supreme Court ruled. He
has authority. So President Trump used that authority to close
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down the border. President Biden used that exinct that exact
same executive authority and open it back up. So he
has the authority, he just doesn't want to use it
because again, they want an open border. They caused this problem.
They just don't want the American public to notice it.
But the American public is noticing it, primarily because Democrat
mayors who touted their sanctuary cities realize that their sanctuary
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cities are going to be destroyed by President Biden's open
border policy. So the mainstream media was forced to start
covering this catastrophe.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Senator Switching Gears, here's a couple of big debates going
on in Congress right now.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
One of the biggies, probably the biggie, is PHISA.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Is the government going to keep being able to spy
on me and take all my stuff without actually getting
a warrant?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Are they? Is this something that GOP is findly going
to put a stop to? Well, I was hoping so.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I know. Chairman Jordans had worked with his committee to
require warrants on American citizens. For some reason, House Intelligence
Committee doesn't like that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Other Republicans don't like that. I think it's too restrictive.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I don't think it's too restrictive because now we've seen
how FAISA has been abused by the FBI, by federal
law enforcement, so he had to put those types of
controls in. I'm not sure what's going to happen. I
fear that the fix is in, but I certainly hope
that Chairman Jordan's amendments to get voted on because I
think if they will be voted on, sounds like they
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would pass. So again, I don't know exactly how this
is going to be disposed of, but from my standpoint,
we definitely need reform FISI. And this is coming from
somebody who's supported in the past when we were told, well,
show us what American whose constitution rights have ever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Been trampled on.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Back then, I couldn't point to anybody. Now I can
point to a former president of the United States whose
constitution rights were trampled on. So we absolutely need reform DEFAISA.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Senator.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Ukraine aid is obviously the other big thing in the
news right now.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
What do we send? Do we send anything? Do we
send nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You're a senator with access to a lot of people
that I don't have access to.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
What is the goal for Ukraine?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's one thing to stand up and say send Ukraine money,
That's not a goal.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What is the goal?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Do they believe they can push the Russians out? What
are they trying to do now?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, I fear what they're trying to do is use
Ukrainian people as a proxy. In a proxy organs Russia
to degree their military and industrial capacity. But I would
argue this is having an exact opposite effect. The war
in Ukraine has driven up oil prices, that means that
more oil revenue is going into Russia. They're building up
their industrial base, their military industrial complex, They're producing more
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one hundred and fifty five millimeters shell. So I don't
see Russia getting weakened in this process. I see Ukraine
being destroyed. So from my standpoint, the only way this
war in Ukraine ends is in the negotiating table, and
any action we take ought to be trying to get
Putin to come to the negotiating table to end this
Buddy Stan salemate because.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
In the end it's not good for Russia.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
It's not good to have a Russian conscripts die to
destroy Ukraine further. But this administration, again, like most Democrats,
completely denying reality. I heard Chuck Schumer come out of
the White House meeting. Stay it's simple, sixty million dollars
of Ukraine gets that they win, If not, they lose.
How are they going to win? You're not going to
displace Russia out of Ukraine. Russia is not going to
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lose this war. They have four times population vitamin Putin.
Losing this war's extension to Vladimir Putin. They have nuclear weapons.
They're not going to lose this war. We need to
recognize that unfortunate reality.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Finally, Zuckerbucks are no longer as they know, They're no
longer going to be allowed in Wisconsin. I'm hearing a
lot of encouraging news in Wisconsin because of local school
board races. We have these ballot initiatives that are going through.
Is Wisconsin redder than maybe most people thought it is that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean, they elected you.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I wish it were. I don't think it is. We're
a very evenly divided state. And the fact matter is
is in order to win, we need an incredibly strong
ground game.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
We need community.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Captains, I mean Democrats. And this is true through other
states as well. They've got strongholds in the big Democrat
controlled cities. It's a lot easier to mind all the
volks they need in just a couple localities where Republicans.
We have to go throughout the state, every little small town,
every small city, we need to get all those votes.
So he's an incredibly strong ground game. Plus the rules
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of elections are set. We may not like him, but
we have early voting, you have apps, team voting, you
have about harvesting Wisconsin. We've got to engage in all
of those things. We can't be outvoted prior to election day.
We need to do everything else to bank our vote early.
And that's what we're really encouraging throughout the stain Wisconsin
for Republicans to do.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, sure was, Senator, Thank you so much, so I
appreciate it. All right, we have so much more. Jeffrey Clark,
who's going to join us next, all kinds of legal
matters and law fair and things we need to discuss
before he does that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Speaking of the law.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
See that latest video out of New York, some piece
of trash, little old lady climbing the stairs of our
church and he just grabs her and just chucks it
right down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
It takes her purse. Our streets are filling up with animals.
You know this.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's not just in New York City, it's in your
small town, top in the illegals all over the Dagone country.
What do you carry to protect yourself with What does
your mother carry, who's your daughter, your son? What do
you carry to protect yourself with your dad? Burna? A
burn up pistol launcher is a necessity. Burna is a
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non lethal alternative. I carry lethal and non lethal. I
believe in carrying both. But maybe you hate guns. Whatever,
whether you carry them or don't like them at all.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Get a burn up pistol launcher shoots pepper balls or
tear gas balls.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Will save your life. And it's legal in all fifty states.
It's for everyone, no background checks, no permits needed. They'll
mail un to your front door. B y RNA burner
dot com, slash Jesse, We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Law fair.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We love to use that term now, and we should
because there's a lot of lawfair going on in this country.
But most people use it. They focus only on Donald Trump.
I realized that he's the star, he's the headliner, but
there have been a lot of Americans in and around
his orbit who have had their rights destroyed, attacked by
the legal system in this country.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And it's disgusting when it happens to anybody joining me now.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Jeffrey Clark, former US Assistant Attorney General, Senior fellow at
the Center for Renewing America. Okay, Jeff, most people sadly
do not know your story. I do act like I don't, though.
Tell us what's happening to you and why?
Speaker 9 (32:30):
Sure, Jesse, Well thanks for having me on. And look,
you know, as you said, President Trump's the star of
the evil attack called Lawfair. And if he's the star,
then I'm the understudy. I was just counting it up.
Today I'm fighting in eight different litigation forums. It's really amazing.
So here's a basic story. I served as a high
ranking official in the Justice Department in the Bush administration,
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and then I got promoted to a Senate confirmed spot
in the Trump administration, and the Democrats blocked me for
quite a while. They know how intensely conservative that I
am and that I have a very successful litigation track record,
and so they delayed my confirmation until the middle of October.
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I took office on November one of twenty eighteen, and
you know, served honorably in that Justice Department and in
the Bush forty three Justice Department. But I, you know,
according to sub made the mistake of touching the third
rail of the twenty twenty presidential election. And that began
my time of troubles. For a time I was actually
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the acting Attorney General of the United States, people who
I thought were my friends viciously turned on me and
began to attack me, question my competence, even though I
was the only Assistant Attorney General put in charge of
two of seven of the main Justice litigating divisions that
are only seven, and I was running two at the
same time, you know. Yet they started to attack my
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credentials because it seemed to me that they wanted to
just usher President Trump out of office and returned to
their lucrative partnerships, most of them in what's called big law.
And so I thought that, you know, an idea that
I had surfaced that didn't come to fruition, you know,
was just purely internal within the Justice Department. But these
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same enemies leaked to the New York Times, and then
folks started coming after me. First the Senate Judiciary Committee,
then the House Oversight Committee, then the January sixth Committee,
then the DC Bar and most recently, I've been one
of the named criminal defendants in Fannie Willis's case in.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
So that's what's mounted up the eight different forums in
federal court, state court. It's truly a nightmare. And if
you're not a litigator. Luckily I am keeping track of all.
That is not something I want to bore your viewers with.
But you know, trust me more litigation than you can
shake a stick at.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, but before we get to that third rail you touched,
I want you to just expand on something really quickly
for people because they don't understand how that works, before
they go back to big law. You referenced big law
where these people go. Were you telling me that when
these attorney generals and US attorneys when they leave government
as the public servants they are, that they don't go
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on to rake leaves and work construction.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Somewhere, that they go somewhere else. Generally, yes, they do.
They return to big law. And look, I'm from big law.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I spent.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Eighteen years or so, at different points in time at
one of the most important big law firms, kirk Laronellis
as a partner from the end of the Bush forty
three first term until when I started serving in the
Trump administration, and as an associate before that. So most
of my career has either been at that large big
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law firm or at the Justice Department. And as a
result though of touching the third rail of the election,
I've been canceled by big law. But all of the
people who aligned themselves against President Trump's view, of all
the Shenanigans that were involved in the twenty twenty election,
they've all gone back to very lucrative partnerships or other
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kinds of arrangements with big law law firms.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, wow, how that will all worked out?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Okay, let's let's discuss this third rail you touched that
has every single legal apparatus in this country coming down
on you. What exactly were you looking into?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
What were you? What were you what bothered you about
twenty twenty?
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Well, the first thing, Jesse, is that you know, I
have training in economics. I double majored in economics at Harvard,
and then I worked for three years doing tax policy
analysis and economic work for the state of Delaware before
I went to law school. And so I'm a sophisticated
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consumer of statistical product and also worked with expert witnesses
when I was a litigator, and so I saw the
statistical analysis of this election and something was off to me.
And indeed, one of the witnesses that we presented at
my bar trial. In the last couple of weeks, John Lott,
who's an eminent economist, econometrician, statistician, he had concluded that
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there was something very wrong, you know, especially in a
place like Fulton County, Georgia, which is where I focused
my efforts to look at. And eventually I wound up
being asked by President Trump, there's an email to this effect,
so you know, at the DOJ, the Biden DOJ released
it publicly so no one can deny it. I was
asked to look at the lack of signature verification in
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Fulton County, and you know, what we suspected was true
at the time has definitely been confirmed in spades, which
is that there was no signature verification in Fulton County.
And without signature verification, Jesse, if you have a massive
expansion of mail in ballots, you're just looking at, you know,
something that can be exploited. And that's why, you know,
going back to a commission that President Carter was on
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along with Jim Baker, they concluded that the area most
ripe for fraud was mail in ballots, and indeed, Bill Barr,
before his change of heart in December of twenty twenty.
In September or so of twenty twenty, he said the
same thing. Mail in ballots are you know, something that
can be exploited, And so you know, I touching this
third rail should not have been so catastrophic for my
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career and for avoiding litigation. But you know, it's it
seems very odd that by raising these questions that have
been raised for decades, you know, I became a big target.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
But that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Why did Bill Barr have, in your opinion, why did
he have such a change of heart. It was such
a one eighty You would think that he would have
been behind you.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
With all this.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Well, you know he's done a one eighty and now
it's a three sixty Jesse because he has an election
integrity group. I was explaining this to some you know,
friends of mine recently, Right, So, okay, there's there's gonna
be a problem with mail in ballots. We got to
watch for that in September. Right then you get to
know to December and it's, oh, you know, there's nothing wrong.
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We found no problems with the election that could have
altered the outcome. And then he defended that for a
long time. But now you know he runs an organization
that is doing election integrity. But you know why is
everyone focused on the issue of election integrity because they
have strong suspicions about what happened in twenty twenty. So,
you know, like his head spinning more times than the
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Roman god, you know Janis who had heads pointing in
two different directions.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Jesse, that is wonderful. We got to worry about mail
in ballots.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Hey, shut up about the mail in ballots. Send me
money for my fundraising group so I could get on
the mail in ballots. Okay, So how is this going
to shake out for you in the end? I know
a lot of this is in the courts, but surely
they're not They're not going to disbar you or something.
What are these people trying to do to you?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Well, Jesse, they are trying to disbar me. For a time,
the DC Bar Disciplinary Council, who's a government official in
d C under their home rule, was very cagy about
what kind of discipline he was seeking against me. But
eventually he let that cat out of the bag and
said that he was seeking disbarment. And then last week
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at my trial at his closing statement, and then in
the remedy phase so called, he argued for that form
of relief. So that's what they're seeking. And the hearing committee,
it's an odd structure in d C. It's it's all volunteers,
two lawyer volunteers, one of whom is the chair of
the hearing committee and the other of whom is a layperson.
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They met an executive session and they voted that, in
their view in a preliminary non binding determination, which is
kind of an oxymoron, that I had violated one of
two rules and they didn't specify which So over the
course of the next month, there's going to be post
trial briefing and then they'll issue a recommendation and then
you know, this process is very It goes then to
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aborted professional responsibility and then to the DC Court of Appeals,
which is the highest local court un your home rule,
and then you know, I can ask the Supreme Court
to take the case potentially, because there are very important
federal and constitutional issues here.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Jesse, Yeah, they Jeffrey, I'm glad you were out there
telling your story. You were welcome back on my show anytime,
so I appreciate you very much. Thank you for doing
what you're doing. Think about that. Just process that for
a moment. It's not some idiot, some big shot and
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all he did was dig into some Fulton County stuff
in Georgia. Hey the signature is there not matching? Hey,
what's going on here? And now they're trying to disbar
the man. What does that tell you? What are they
worried about? All right, still light in the mood. We
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got a good one for you next. All right, it
is time to lighten the mood. And there's something that
kind of bums me out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
And this is what I know. It's weird, but this
is what kind of bums me out. Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
People get to know their local congressman or congresswoman. You
know who yours is. You're involved politically, you pay attention.
And there are four hundred and thirty five members of
the House. We'll set the senators aside for a moment.
Four hundred and thirty five.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Members in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
There are so many weapons grade morons in there, just
the dumbest people you've ever seen or talked to in
your entire life. But because there's four hundred and thirty
five of them, it gets kind of lost in the
national news and you locally, you know your congressman's an idiot,
but you want the nation to know. The nation just
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never finds out because there's so many of them. We
have one of those here in Houston. Her name is
Sheila Jackson Lee. Sheila Jackson Lee. It's really hard because
there's a lot of them out there. But she might
be the dumbest member of the United States Houses, a
House of Representatives. And I know how stupid all these
people are. And this woman, this is an Ivy League
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graduate and a member of the United States Congress.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
A full moon is that complete rounded circle which is
made up mostly of gases. And that's why the question,
the question is why or how could we as humans
live on the moon. Are the gases such that we
could do that? The Sun is a mighty powerful heat
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and it's almost impossible to go near the Sun.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
The moon is more manageable.
Speaker 11 (43:56):
Member of Congress, the Moon's gases, but the Sun is.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean it's almost impossible to get close almost. Do
you have the way that you can get close to
the Sun, Sheila, Let's see you tomorrow.
Let's talk about revolution, abortion, inflation. Senator Ron Johnson's here
to talk Faiza. We're going to talk about another American
suffering under the justice system.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
All that and more coming up.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
And I'm right, you know, there's something different about us
as Americans, and there's a lot of very good things
that are different about us as Americans. Don't ever feel
ashamed to be an American, but we should understand that
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we have something in our minds. You have something in
your mind. I have something in my mind that is
probably not true. And this is that something. This is
that something.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Revolution.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
When we think about revolution, rebellion, we kind of like it,
don't we. Why, Well, we're Americans. We had a revolution here.
We were under the British government. They were oppressive, taxing, Nah,
and honest, we had a revolution.
Speaker 2 (01:04):
We rebelled, We had a revolution.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
And after our revolution things got.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Better for us, better for us.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
No more kings, no more British Oh my gosh, we're free,
we have a constitution.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Things got better for us.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
So the idea of rebellion and revolution for us as
Americans kind of is cool, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
It's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, revolution, But you ever read any history study any
history books at all.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Like it.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
When we talk about history on the show, there is
something historically that you can see over and over and
over again. And if you weren't thanking God that you
were an American before, you should be.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Thanking him now when I dropped this one on you.
There haven't been very many good revolutions in the history
of the world. And when I say good, this is
what I mean.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
Almost always, when people rise up in anger and they
cast out whoever the evil leader is, a king, a government,
it doesn't matter what it is, and the people generally
have a good reason.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Yeah we're mad.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Government sucks. Normally that government does suck. It's evil, it's bad.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
But the people rise up and they cast out the government.
Almost every single time, things get worse.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
For the people in that country. You know. We Haiti. Look,
Haiti is actually a great example of this.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
They had some of the worst slavery in the Western
world in hay in Haiti.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
It was despicable a sugar cane harvesting. It was torture,
it was so bad, treating people like dirt. And eventually
they had enough and they rose up and had a revolution.
There were things in Haiti today so dump maybe the
worst place on the planet today. Over and over and
over again. You see this throughout history. The reason I'm
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bringing this up is there is something happening on a
macro level, on a thirty thousand foot level, there's something
happening on the right and the GOP, the old GOP,
the old way of doing things, the mitt Romney's, the bushes,
the whatever. Maybe you love that way, maybe you hate
it that way, but that way is going away. You
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can see it if you don't get too caught up
in the minutia. You can see it with all the
retirements in the Senate, in the House. You can see
it with people who lose primaries now versus people who
win primaries.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Now.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
It's not happening as fast as you want or as
fast as I want, but it is happening.
Speaker 2 (03:29):
And that is a good thing. The old GOP is garbage.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
It's useless, it's weak, it didn't conserve anything for us.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Good send it out. The GOP is being remade. It
is being remade.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
There is a revolution happening within the GOP, and it
is good that the old GOP is going away. However,
we live right now, you and I we live in
dangerous times on the right.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
And this is why this.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Is the time, this revolutionary we're in right now in
the GOP, this is the time that will decide what
the new GOP will actually look like. You see, when
we talk about casting out the old, we sound very
much like an angry Russian citizen under the Tsars. The
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old sucks, the Tsar family sucks, that are oppressive, and
we're hungry, and everything sucks.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
They suck. They gotta go.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
And we're right about that, right that old GOP sucks.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
They gotta go.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
But then those same people five years later, ten years later,
found themselves being tortured to death in a gulag beside
their family members. Why, well, the old win, but the
new was actually worse than what they just got rid
of the Bolsheviks when they took over. What will the
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new GOP look like, Well, it will be determined by
these times right now, by what we decide we're for,
what we decide were against, what we push for, what
normal people, you me, what we tell our congressmen about
our state House is about. We are deciding now what
the new GOP will be. And that brings me to
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the issue of abortion. Okay, let's get something straight here,
because I'm gonna make this really really fast.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
I understand.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I understand completely Republicans who run nationally and try to
avoid the issue of abortion. Why because abortion is very
popular with women in the United States of America, married women,
single women, Democrats, Republicans pulled after polled after poll says
women do not want it banned. Sadly, we live in
a country full of women who love to kill their babies.
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I know that's terrible, but that is the kind of
country we live in. So I understand this way of
thinking on the right. And I understand Trump's not really
reversal on the issue. He's never been that pro life
anyway throughout his life. But I understand what Remember after
the midterms, Remember some of the midterms weren't a red wave,
it was a red trickle. And remember Trump put out
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this statement, kind of a random statement, taking.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
A shot at pro lifers. It wasn't my fault that
the Republicans didn't give up the expectations in the midterms.
I was two hundred and thirty three and twenty. It
was the abortion issue poorly handled by many Republicans, especially
those that firmly insisted on no exceptions, even in the
case the rape, incest or life or the mother that
lost a large number of voters, so on.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
And so on. Okay, wasn't my fault. It was the
pro lifers. Okay.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
So that's obviously how Trump thinks. Trump does his own
social media. That was him in the middle of the night,
pouring his heart and soul out. And then it was
what two days ago, it was Monday. Trump made this
little announcement on social media.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Many people have asked me what my position is on
abortion and abortion rights, especially since I was proudly the
person responsible for the ending of something that all legal
scholars both sides wanted and in fact demanded be ended
Row v. Waite. They wanted it ended. My view is,
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now that we have abortion where everybody wanted it from
a legal standpoint, the states will determine by vote or
legislation or perhaps both, and whatever they decide must be
the law of the land, in this case, the law
of the state.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Okay, whatever they decide must be the law of the land.
Send abortion back to the States. Many people had a
problem with that, many people did not. Maybe you love it,
maybe you hate it.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
But that was Trump Monday he send it back to
the states.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
All right, both people could live with it.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Even extreme pro life is like me, okay, fine, deal
with it. I believe we have to deal with abortion
culturally anyway. But let's move ahead. We got this word
yesterday about this ruling in Arizona, Arizona Supreme Court.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
They did a ruling.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
What did it say, Well, it's said that Arizona can
ban abortion completely. It was a state level decision. You know,
they were just saying, return it to the states. It
was returned to the states. The states made a decision, yes,
you can ban abortion completely in Arizona. Carry Lake promptly
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came out. She's running for Senate as a Republican in Arizona.
Promptly came out and trashed the ruling. In fact, she
called on the Democrat governor of Arizona to come up
with legislation more reasonable. She called for Democrat legislation that
would allow more abortions. That's the Senate candidate in Arizona,
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Republican Senate candidate. Okay, so you just said return it
to the states. They returned it to the states. They
banned it. Then now you're against it. And I assumed
the Trump would be okay with that ruling, because he
just said on Monday, returned it to the states.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
But then but then Trump said this today. Oh thanks sir,
President Arizona, go too, Park.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Arizona go to war.
Speaker 6 (08:55):
Yeah, they did, and I'll be straightened out.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
And you know, it's all about the states.
Speaker 6 (08:59):
Right, say that, and I'm turned to the governor and
everybody else. They're going to bring it back into reason
and that will be taking care of.
Speaker 7 (09:06):
I think very quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah, the governor.
Speaker 3 (09:11):
Yeah, they went too far there, and the Democrat.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Governor is going to bring it back into reason. Okay. Well,
like I said, I don't have.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Any problem with Donald Trump making a statement about abortion
back to the states. Fine, I don't expect him to
be with me there. It goes back to the state.
The state makes a ruling abortions ban. Remember I was
talking about about the new GOP and revolutions and kind
of that be careful what you wish for kind of
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a thing. Look, I'm gonna tell you this, and this
is just you and me talking, all right. You know,
I'm not saying you have to agree with me, but
I'm going to tell you this. The Republican Party they
give me big spending, just like Democrats do. The Republican
Party they fund the FBI just like Democrats. The Republican
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Party doesn't want to repeal the Obamacare law that's been
destroying our healthcare system ever since, just like Democrats do.
Democrat position after Democrat position after Democrat position. Republican Party
leaders just tried to get amnesty through, just like Democrats do.
I've been voting Republican.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
My entire life.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
I've had a list of reasons why I can't vote Democrat,
and I mean I have to vote Republicans. I've got
a few things that they're better on. You're better on
the border, that type of thing. My list is getting
awfully small on the Republican side. And after this revolution,
whatever this is, if the new GOP, if they're all
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done with those foreign wars. But hey man, abortion's fine.
I don't want to lose an election. If that's the
new GOP, can count me out. All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am right. Let's talk about
many things on this show tonight. First, let's talk about
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Speaker 2 (11:49):
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Speaker 1 (11:49):
They put it in writing and they give you a timeframe.
It's not like you make a phone call. Well, I mean,
now we just hope for the best. They'll put it
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two six four six.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
We'll be back. I think we can feel great about
our economy.
Speaker 8 (12:12):
I was gonna ask, see what you made up to
the last jobs report. Well, it your shows that US
is firing on all cylinders.
Speaker 1 (12:20):
May thanks are going so well? I am excited. I'm
excited to hear that. Joining me now, Carol Roth. She
is a world.
Speaker 2 (12:29):
Famous author at this point in time. Her latest book
is outstanding.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
You will Own Nothing, you know, Carol, Well, I don't
even have to introduce her anymore. Okay, Carol? Three point
five percent inflation. It's obviously much much much worse than that,
but that's the official number they're going with.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What should we do with all this stuff?
Speaker 8 (12:47):
Well, the inflation report did come in hotter than Jesse
Kelly after eating a bucket of extra spicy wings, which
is Clayman's term for Yes, it was even worse than
Wall Street. And as you mentioned, we know that the
number that they published is far below what the issues
are that are being felt by average Americans who are
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having trouble buying food, paying their rent and mortgages, and
just getting by with living. Except that the elite wants
to not only tell you that you're wrong. You know,
it's bad enough that they have created the situation that
you're in, but they need to gaslight you. They need
to tell you that you don't know what you're talking about,
that they have a chart and that things are going
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really well. And I think that's really part of the
frustration here is that not only have they created this
completely predictable situation that was entirely avoidable, and now after
they have burnt the house down, the arsonist is standing
there and going, no, the house isn't burnt down.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
I don't know what you're talking about.
Speaker 8 (13:52):
It looks great, and I think that's where people are
really feeling the extra gut punch, because they're hurting and
instead of acknowledging that we've growed up, no, these people
who have created this issue are telling you that you're
doing phenomenal, That the economy is charging on all cylinders, well,
charging on all cylinders from an inflationary standpoint, but you
have well death charging on all cylinders. The deficit is
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charging on all cylinders. Interest is charging all cylinders. So
I guess technically she's correct in some ways, but unfortunately
it's also charging right.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Off a fiscal cloth. Carol.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
To get to the basics of this, and I know
this is very basic, the numbers can get confusing for
stupid people like me. We see inflation at three point
five percent. And yet you dig into the numbers and
here are some of them. Car insurance up twenty two percent,
car repair twelve, baby formula ten, veterinarian ten, rent five
point nine, electricity five restaurants. I don't see three point
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five anywhere on here, And Carol, I may have failed
algebra many, many.
Speaker 2 (14:52):
Many times, and that's a true story, by the way.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
But even I know if you add up a bunch
of numbers that are all above three point five and
then divide them by those by the amount of items
on the list, you can't possibly get to three point five.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
So how are we at three point five? Kerl?
Speaker 8 (15:07):
Yes, they're you know, some other items that they've thrown
into the list that they say are are negative and
are counteracting.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
These things, you know, those things that you know.
Speaker 8 (15:15):
Not everybody's buying because they can't afford to buy them, Jesse,
because they have use up all their money on basic
things like commodities and rent. So you know, but as
we've said before, the numbers themselves are trash. Not only
has the government had a hard time getting people to
respond to these surveys that they do and entities to respond,
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so they have more modeling and more biases in the data,
but they've changed their methodology for the way that they've
computed this many times since nineteen eighty, so the data
isn't reliable. And I think this is why you're getting
the disconnect between the Paul Krugman's of the world and
these other corporate press mouth pieces and Biden administration folks
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were going, well, you know, look at these things that
say everything is going so great, and then people who
are going to the grocery store, on the gas station,
they should really conduct these interviews.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
I think one of my Twitter followers said this, you're.
Speaker 8 (16:10):
At a gas station or you know, at a grocery store,
have Janet Yellen sit down with the media, you know,
at the end of the registry, after somebody has checked
out their groceries, and have her tell them directly that
that number on the screen isn't real and that the
economy is firing on all cylinders. I think maybe we
would get a different outcome.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Carol, I mentioned you are a world famous author. Now,
of course, like me, I'm just kidding. She's written a
lot more books than I have. But one of your
books is The War on Small Business. It was one
of my favorite ones you wrote, and I've been talking
about this a lot of my radio show recently, that
what I see happening when you look at the jobs
going to non American citizens versus citizens. Non citizens, it's
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almost four million over four years. American citizens it's down
almost one hundred thousand and almost four years. When you
look at the stock market doing well, but then you
dig into that and you find out it's just a
big fortune fifty right, it's the Fortune five hundred doing well.
Small business is closing in mass still, what it looks
like to me is a massive blood sucking in this
economy from all the hals, just hoovering up everything and
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taking it away from the middle and lower class.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
That's what I see happening. Am I wrong?
Speaker 8 (17:19):
You are not wrong, And one of these days I
would like for you to be wrong, Jesse, because unfortunately,
all these things that you continue to be right about
are highly depressing. But we have had over the past
several years this historic transfer of wealth from main Street
to Wall Street. And so not only does that mean
that the middle and working class are getting crushed and
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the small businesses are getting crushed, but then you're creating
more class warfare that can be used to then go
ahead and attack the middle and working class and small businesses.
It's like the same playbook that they run over and
over again, and just the sort of disconnect from reality
is really allowing for this to have, allowing for cheerleading.
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If you look out in California at this twenty dollars
minimum wage that they've instituted for fast food companies, and
now you're seeing all of these franchises going out of business,
which we again completely predicted because of course that was
going to happen. And then you know, these people don't
have jobs anymore, and the only people who are left
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that can afford this are the big companies that can
invest in automation. And oh, by the way, even if
you're not a restaurant company, when you have somebody who
can go to a bigger company and have no skills
and flip burgers and get paid twenty dollars an hour,
then your business, whatever it's in may not be able
to compete with that for low skilled wages, and oh,
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by the way, for higher skilled wages, because if you're
somebody who has skills and someone with no skills is
getting paid twenty dollars an hour. You of course want
to get paid more, but this doesn't happen in a vacuum.
That means it's going to push up the cost of everything,
push up prices, and that's why one of the reasons
why we're continuing to see this inflation, So things like that,
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things like the government overspending, has these ancillary impacts, as
you said, which is really creating this haves and have nots,
and we know throughout history that that has not ended
very well, and it's really against the sort of fundamental
foundation of what America is about. The whole idea of
the American dream is that anybody can come to this
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country and it doesn't matter who you are, where you
were born, you know what kind of a background you have.
But if you work hard, and you work smart, and
you do the right things and you save that you
can achieve a really nice, financially free and independent life
the way that you want. And unfortunately, the central planners
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are putting up barriers to that, and they're only allowing
that for the elite and well connected. And this is
the back of that hope in the world.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
So if it.
Speaker 8 (20:02):
Goes away here, there's nowhere else you're going to get that,
and that's why it's so important for us to continue
to fight for it.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Amen, Carol, you are the best, best, You are the best.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
Thanking. I appreciate it, all right.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Joe Biden, the Biden administration, they're trying to do a
lot of things, really evil things. The Republicans are going
to help them pass Faiza. Are they really not to
Senator Ron Johnson about that?
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Next? Before we get to Ron Johnson, let's get to this,
all right. You just heard her. We've talked about this
a manion times.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
I'm not trying to be you know, she said, she
hates when I'm right, and I hate when I'm right.
I'm not trying to be down. I'm trying to make
sure we're ready. Are we ready? What have you done
to get ready? Get ready for what?
Speaker 2 (20:50):
Well?
Speaker 1 (20:52):
Inflation's hotter than expected. You know, they haven't stopped printing money, right,
they haven't stopped spending.
Speaker 2 (20:58):
It's just they haven't.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
They're bragging about not cutting a dime. Chuck Schumer himself bracking,
Oh well we didn't cut a nickel is actually what
he said. That's this direct quote. Have you made preparations?
Have you that retirement account? I just referenced. What have
you done with yours? Do you have gold or silver
as part of it? Make sure you don't lose it all.
Do you have it in your physical possession? You know
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you don't need a bank vault. Right, Oxford Gold Group
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silver or gold coins in your hands. Call Oxford Gold
Group and make preparations. Eight three three nine nine five gold.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
All right? Eight three three nine nine five gold. We'll
be back. Colin said, you're.
Speaker 6 (21:49):
Gonna offer a motion to dismiss the impeachment charges on Thursday.
Speaker 9 (21:53):
Are you at all concerned that if.
Speaker 6 (21:54):
Some Democrats and tough races both for that and you
can come back.
Speaker 7 (21:57):
To walk them on a campaign dro Look, we're gonna
try and was all this issue as quickly as possible.
Impeachment should never be used to settle policy disagreements.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
We're going to try to resolve this issue. Well, it's
quite an issue, isn't it. You've been handed an impeachment.
You do have to have a trial, right, We'll see
if they play that game. Joining me now, a great
senator from the state of Wisconsin, Senator Ron Johnson.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
Senator Look, I can see it coming. I'm sure you
can see it coming.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
There's no way there's going to be an impeachment trial, right,
Only Republicans would do something so stupid.
Speaker 6 (22:34):
Well, it's certainly what Santa Schumer is talking about right now.
And it's pretty obvious why they don't want impeachment trial
is they don't want the public understanding what a catastrophe
their open border policy is, so that they want a
table this as quickly as possible and move on. But
Republicans here in the Center, we're trying to do everything we
can to highlight this issue. We held a press conference
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yesterday saying that our constitution response ability to hold a
trial when the House managed to send over the articles
of impeachment, and it's certainly our responsibility to point out
the American public the clear and present danger that is
President Biden and his Democrat colleagues in Congress their open
border policy. And it's extremely important to understand that it's
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not just President Biden. This is every Democrat in Congress
supports an open border. They caused this problem, They just
don't want the American public to understand the full extent
of it.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Senator, how much power do we have the power to
force a trial. People don't understand how this works with
motions and this and that. Normal people don't understand how
that works.
Speaker 3 (23:40):
Do we have the juice without the majority to force
a trial?
Speaker 6 (23:45):
Yeah, probably not, particularly now the parliamentarian has ruled that
a motion the table would be in order. We don't
agree with that, but once in Parliamentarian rules, that's basically
how the Senate operates. But again, we don't have to
lay down, and we're not a number of US contacted
Speaker Johnson, who had intended to deliver those articles today
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at five o'clock, setting up Schumer's tabling motion Thursday at
one o'clock. That's generally when the Senate is a journey
for the week and people are heading back to their states.
So they wanted to snuff this thing out this week.
A number of US contacted Speaker Johnson. He didn't really
understand the Senate only works till about noon on Thursday,
and so he decided to delay delivering those articles. So
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we can make the point that we should hold a trial,
but certainly can we can make the point about what
a catastrophe Biden's open border policy is.
Speaker 2 (24:38):
Yeah, it's obvious. They don't want to actually solve this problem.
Even though old Papa.
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Joe was on TV talking about shutting down the border.
Speaker 10 (24:46):
Here he was, have you made a final decision on
taking executive order in terms of what do you want
to do at the border that includes the power to
shut down the border, as it was suggested.
Speaker 8 (24:56):
Well, it suggested that we're examining whether or not I
have that power.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Why do these people pretend now, it's just it's very
obvious to everyone, isn't it, Senator. They don't want the
border clothes, They want it open.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
It's obvious to me, it's obvious to you. But it's
all should be obvious that President Biden has the authority.
President Trump had the authority, even though it's been weakened
by court decisions. A president has, you know his the
current laws exude difference is what Supreme Court ruled. He
has authority. So President Trump used that authority to close
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down the border. President Biden used that exinct that exact
same executive authority and open it back up. So he
has the authority, he just doesn't want to use it
because again, they want an open border. They caused this problem.
They just don't want the American public to notice it.
But the American public is noticing it, primarily because Democrat
mayors who touted their sanctuary cities realize that their sanctuary
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cities are going to be destroyed by President Biden's open
border policy. So the mainstream media was forced to start
covering this catastrophe.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Senator Switching Gears, here's a couple of big debates going
on in Congress right now.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
One of the biggies, probably the biggie, is PHISA.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
Is the government going to keep being able to spy
on me and take all my stuff without actually getting
a warrant?
Speaker 2 (26:16):
Are they? Is this something that GOP is findly going
to put a stop to? Well, I was hoping so.
Speaker 6 (26:23):
I know. Chairman Jordans had worked with his committee to
require warrants on American citizens. For some reason, House Intelligence
Committee doesn't like that.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Other Republicans don't like that. I think it's too restrictive.
Speaker 6 (26:37):
I don't think it's too restrictive because now we've seen
how FAISA has been abused by the FBI, by federal
law enforcement, so he had to put those types of
controls in. I'm not sure what's going to happen. I
fear that the fix is in, but I certainly hope
that Chairman Jordan's amendments to get voted on because I
think if they will be voted on, sounds like they
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would pass. So again, I don't know exactly how this
is going to be disposed of, but from my standpoint,
we definitely need reform FISI. And this is coming from
somebody who's supported in the past when we were told, well,
show us what American whose constitution rights have ever.
Speaker 2 (27:12):
Been trampled on.
Speaker 6 (27:13):
Back then, I couldn't point to anybody. Now I can
point to a former president of the United States whose
constitution rights were trampled on. So we absolutely need reform DEFAISA.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Senator.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Ukraine aid is obviously the other big thing in the
news right now.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
What do we send? Do we send anything? Do we
send nothing?
Speaker 1 (27:30):
You're a senator with access to a lot of people
that I don't have access to.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
What is the goal for Ukraine?
Speaker 3 (27:37):
It's one thing to stand up and say send Ukraine money,
That's not a goal.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
What is the goal?
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Do they believe they can push the Russians out? What
are they trying to do now?
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Well, I fear what they're trying to do is use
Ukrainian people as a proxy. In a proxy organs Russia
to degree their military and industrial capacity. But I would
argue this is having an exact opposite effect. The war
in Ukraine has driven up oil prices, that means that
more oil revenue is going into Russia. They're building up
their industrial base, their military industrial complex, They're producing more
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one hundred and fifty five millimeters shell. So I don't
see Russia getting weakened in this process. I see Ukraine
being destroyed. So from my standpoint, the only way this
war in Ukraine ends is in the negotiating table, and
any action we take ought to be trying to get
Putin to come to the negotiating table to end this
Buddy Stan salemate because.
Speaker 2 (28:29):
In the end it's not good for Russia.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
It's not good to have a Russian conscripts die to
destroy Ukraine further. But this administration, again, like most Democrats,
completely denying reality. I heard Chuck Schumer come out of
the White House meeting. Stay it's simple, sixty million dollars
of Ukraine gets that they win, If not, they lose.
How are they going to win? You're not going to
displace Russia out of Ukraine. Russia is not going to
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lose this war. They have four times population vitamin Putin.
Losing this war's extension to Vladimir Putin. They have nuclear weapons.
They're not going to lose this war. We need to
recognize that unfortunate reality.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Senator.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Finally, Zuckerbucks are no longer as they know, They're no
longer going to be allowed in Wisconsin. I'm hearing a
lot of encouraging news in Wisconsin because of local school
board races. We have these ballot initiatives that are going through.
Is Wisconsin redder than maybe most people thought it is that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
I mean, they elected you.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
I wish it were. I don't think it is. We're
a very evenly divided state. And the fact matter is
is in order to win, we need an incredibly strong
ground game.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
We need community.
Speaker 6 (29:41):
Captains, I mean Democrats. And this is true through other
states as well. They've got strongholds in the big Democrat
controlled cities. It's a lot easier to mind all the
volks they need in just a couple localities where Republicans.
We have to go throughout the state, every little small town,
every small city, we need to get all those votes.
So he's an incredibly strong ground game. Plus the rules
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of elections are set. We may not like him, but
we have early voting, you have apps, team voting, you
have about harvesting Wisconsin. We've got to engage in all
of those things. We can't be outvoted prior to election day.
We need to do everything else to bank our vote early.
And that's what we're really encouraging throughout the stain Wisconsin
for Republicans to do.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, sure was, Senator, Thank you so much, so I
appreciate it. All right, we have so much more. Jeffrey Clark,
who's going to join us next, all kinds of legal
matters and law fair and things we need to discuss
before he does that.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Speaking of the law.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
See that latest video out of New York, some piece
of trash, little old lady climbing the stairs of our
church and he just grabs her and just chucks it
right down the stairs.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
It takes her purse. Our streets are filling up with animals.
You know this.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's not just in New York City, it's in your
small town, top in the illegals all over the Dagone country.
What do you carry to protect yourself with What does
your mother carry, who's your daughter, your son? What do
you carry to protect yourself with your dad? Burna? A
burn up pistol launcher is a necessity. Burna is a
(31:17):
non lethal alternative. I carry lethal and non lethal. I
believe in carrying both. But maybe you hate guns. Whatever,
whether you carry them or don't like them at all.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
Get a burn up pistol launcher shoots pepper balls or
tear gas balls.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Will save your life. And it's legal in all fifty states.
It's for everyone, no background checks, no permits needed. They'll
mail un to your front door. B y RNA burner
dot com, slash Jesse, We'll be back.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Law fair.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
We love to use that term now, and we should
because there's a lot of lawfair going on in this country.
But most people use it. They focus only on Donald Trump.
I realized that he's the star, he's the headliner, but
there have been a lot of Americans in and around
his orbit who have had their rights destroyed, attacked by
the legal system in this country.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
And it's disgusting when it happens to anybody joining me now.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Jeffrey Clark, former US Assistant Attorney General, Senior fellow at
the Center for Renewing America. Okay, Jeff, most people sadly
do not know your story. I do act like I don't, though.
Tell us what's happening to you and why?
Speaker 9 (32:30):
Sure, Jesse, Well thanks for having me on. And look,
you know, as you said, President Trump's the star of
the evil attack called Lawfair. And if he's the star,
then I'm the understudy. I was just counting it up.
Today I'm fighting in eight different litigation forums. It's really amazing.
So here's a basic story. I served as a high
ranking official in the Justice Department in the Bush administration,
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and then I got promoted to a Senate confirmed spot
in the Trump administration, and the Democrats blocked me for
quite a while. They know how intensely conservative that I
am and that I have a very successful litigation track record,
and so they delayed my confirmation until the middle of October.
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I took office on November one of twenty eighteen, and
you know, served honorably in that Justice Department and in
the Bush forty three Justice Department. But I, you know,
according to sub made the mistake of touching the third
rail of the twenty twenty presidential election. And that began
my time of troubles. For a time I was actually
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the acting Attorney General of the United States, people who
I thought were my friends viciously turned on me and
began to attack me, question my competence, even though I
was the only Assistant Attorney General put in charge of
two of seven of the main Justice litigating divisions that
are only seven, and I was running two at the
same time, you know. Yet they started to attack my
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credentials because it seemed to me that they wanted to
just usher President Trump out of office and returned to
their lucrative partnerships, most of them in what's called big law.
And so I thought that, you know, an idea that
I had surfaced that didn't come to fruition, you know,
was just purely internal within the Justice Department. But these
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same enemies leaked to the New York Times, and then
folks started coming after me. First the Senate Judiciary Committee,
then the House Oversight Committee, then the January sixth Committee,
then the DC Bar and most recently, I've been one
of the named criminal defendants in Fannie Willis's case in.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Fulton County, Georgia.
Speaker 9 (34:44):
So that's what's mounted up the eight different forums in
federal court, state court. It's truly a nightmare. And if
you're not a litigator. Luckily I am keeping track of all.
That is not something I want to bore your viewers with.
But you know, trust me more litigation than you can
shake a stick at.
Speaker 1 (35:03):
Yeah, but before we get to that third rail you touched,
I want you to just expand on something really quickly
for people because they don't understand how that works, before
they go back to big law. You referenced big law
where these people go. Were you telling me that when
these attorney generals and US attorneys when they leave government
as the public servants they are, that they don't go
(35:25):
on to rake leaves and work construction.
Speaker 9 (35:27):
Somewhere, that they go somewhere else. Generally, yes, they do.
They return to big law. And look, I'm from big law.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
I spent.
Speaker 9 (35:37):
Eighteen years or so, at different points in time at
one of the most important big law firms, kirk Laronellis
as a partner from the end of the Bush forty
three first term until when I started serving in the
Trump administration, and as an associate before that. So most
of my career has either been at that large big
(35:58):
law firm or at the Justice Department. And as a
result though of touching the third rail of the election,
I've been canceled by big law. But all of the
people who aligned themselves against President Trump's view, of all
the Shenanigans that were involved in the twenty twenty election,
they've all gone back to very lucrative partnerships or other
(36:19):
kinds of arrangements with big law law firms.
Speaker 2 (36:22):
Yeah, wow, how that will all worked out?
Speaker 1 (36:24):
Okay, let's let's discuss this third rail you touched that
has every single legal apparatus in this country coming down
on you. What exactly were you looking into?
Speaker 2 (36:33):
What were you? What were you what bothered you about
twenty twenty?
Speaker 9 (36:38):
Well, the first thing, Jesse, is that you know, I
have training in economics. I double majored in economics at Harvard,
and then I worked for three years doing tax policy
analysis and economic work for the state of Delaware before
I went to law school. And so I'm a sophisticated
(36:58):
consumer of statistical product and also worked with expert witnesses
when I was a litigator, and so I saw the
statistical analysis of this election and something was off to me.
And indeed, one of the witnesses that we presented at
my bar trial. In the last couple of weeks, John Lott,
who's an eminent economist, econometrician, statistician, he had concluded that
(37:21):
there was something very wrong, you know, especially in a
place like Fulton County, Georgia, which is where I focused
my efforts to look at. And eventually I wound up
being asked by President Trump, there's an email to this effect,
so you know, at the DOJ, the Biden DOJ released
it publicly so no one can deny it. I was
asked to look at the lack of signature verification in
(37:43):
Fulton County, and you know, what we suspected was true
at the time has definitely been confirmed in spades, which
is that there was no signature verification in Fulton County.
And without signature verification, Jesse, if you have a massive
expansion of mail in ballots, you're just looking at, you know,
something that can be exploited. And that's why, you know,
going back to a commission that President Carter was on
(38:06):
along with Jim Baker, they concluded that the area most
ripe for fraud was mail in ballots, and indeed, Bill Barr,
before his change of heart in December of twenty twenty.
In September or so of twenty twenty, he said the
same thing. Mail in ballots are you know, something that
can be exploited, And so you know, I touching this
third rail should not have been so catastrophic for my
(38:26):
career and for avoiding litigation. But you know, it's it
seems very odd that by raising these questions that have
been raised for decades, you know, I became a big target.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
But that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Why did Bill Barr have, in your opinion, why did
he have such a change of heart. It was such
a one eighty You would think that he would have
been behind you.
Speaker 2 (38:46):
With all this.
Speaker 9 (38:48):
Well, you know he's done a one eighty and now
it's a three sixty Jesse because he has an election
integrity group. I was explaining this to some you know,
friends of mine recently, Right, So, okay, there's there's gonna
be a problem with mail in ballots. We got to
watch for that in September. Right then you get to
know to December and it's, oh, you know, there's nothing wrong.
(39:09):
We found no problems with the election that could have
altered the outcome. And then he defended that for a
long time. But now you know he runs an organization
that is doing election integrity. But you know why is
everyone focused on the issue of election integrity because they
have strong suspicions about what happened in twenty twenty. So,
you know, like his head spinning more times than the
(39:31):
Roman god, you know Janis who had heads pointing in
two different directions.
Speaker 2 (39:35):
Jesse, that is wonderful. We got to worry about mail
in ballots.
Speaker 1 (39:38):
Hey, shut up about the mail in ballots. Send me
money for my fundraising group so I could get on
the mail in ballots. Okay, So how is this going
to shake out for you in the end? I know
a lot of this is in the courts, but surely
they're not They're not going to disbar you or something.
What are these people trying to do to you?
Speaker 9 (39:56):
Well, Jesse, they are trying to disbar me. For a time,
the DC Bar Disciplinary Council, who's a government official in
d C under their home rule, was very cagy about
what kind of discipline he was seeking against me. But
eventually he let that cat out of the bag and
said that he was seeking disbarment. And then last week
(40:17):
at my trial at his closing statement, and then in
the remedy phase so called, he argued for that form
of relief. So that's what they're seeking. And the hearing committee,
it's an odd structure in d C. It's it's all volunteers,
two lawyer volunteers, one of whom is the chair of
the hearing committee and the other of whom is a layperson.
(40:38):
They met an executive session and they voted that, in
their view in a preliminary non binding determination, which is
kind of an oxymoron, that I had violated one of
two rules and they didn't specify which So over the
course of the next month, there's going to be post
trial briefing and then they'll issue a recommendation and then
you know, this process is very It goes then to
(41:00):
aborted professional responsibility and then to the DC Court of Appeals,
which is the highest local court un your home rule,
and then you know, I can ask the Supreme Court
to take the case potentially, because there are very important
federal and constitutional issues here.
Speaker 1 (41:13):
Jesse, Yeah, they Jeffrey, I'm glad you were out there
telling your story. You were welcome back on my show anytime,
so I appreciate you very much. Thank you for doing
what you're doing. Think about that. Just process that for
a moment. It's not some idiot, some big shot and
(41:34):
all he did was dig into some Fulton County stuff
in Georgia. Hey the signature is there not matching? Hey,
what's going on here? And now they're trying to disbar
the man. What does that tell you? What are they
worried about? All right, still light in the mood. We
(41:55):
got a good one for you next. All right, it
is time to lighten the mood. And there's something that
kind of bums me out sometimes.
Speaker 2 (42:11):
And this is what I know. It's weird, but this
is what kind of bums me out. Sometimes.
Speaker 1 (42:16):
People get to know their local congressman or congresswoman. You
know who yours is. You're involved politically, you pay attention.
And there are four hundred and thirty five members of
the House. We'll set the senators aside for a moment.
Four hundred and thirty five.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
Members in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
There are so many weapons grade morons in there, just
the dumbest people you've ever seen or talked to in
your entire life. But because there's four hundred and thirty
five of them, it gets kind of lost in the
national news and you locally, you know your congressman's an idiot,
but you want the nation to know. The nation just
(42:53):
never finds out because there's so many of them. We
have one of those here in Houston. Her name is
Sheila Jackson Lee. Sheila Jackson Lee. It's really hard because
there's a lot of them out there. But she might
be the dumbest member of the United States Houses, a
House of Representatives. And I know how stupid all these
people are. And this woman, this is an Ivy League
(43:15):
graduate and a member of the United States Congress.
Speaker 5 (43:20):
A full moon is that complete rounded circle which is
made up mostly of gases. And that's why the question,
the question is why or how could we as humans
live on the moon. Are the gases such that we
could do that? The Sun is a mighty powerful heat
(43:43):
and it's almost impossible to go near the Sun.
Speaker 2 (43:48):
The moon is more manageable.
Speaker 11 (43:56):
Member of Congress, the Moon's gases, but the Sun is.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
I mean it's almost impossible to get close almost. Do
you have the way that you can get close to
the Sun, Sheila, Let's see you tomorrow.
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