May 29, 2024 • 46 mins
The jury has begun deliberating former & potential future president Donald Trump's fate in the New York City criminal trial. For this edition of I'm Right, America On Trial's Josh Hammer guest hosts the show. He gets legal analysis from Article III Project's Mike Davis and breaks down everything you need to know about the looming verdict. Plus, the political ramifications with Sean Spicer and talk of a potential terror threat on the border with Todd Bensman.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, guys, Josh Hammer, host of America on Trial with
Josh Hammer filling in tonight for Jesse Kelly on I'm right,
Trump verdict imminently forthcoming there in New York City. We
have never seen anything like this before in the entire
history of the public. Mike Davis, founder of Article three project,
helped you with us later to unpack it all. Meanwhile,
Joe Biden campaign today in Philadelphia. Is Pennsylvania in play
(00:24):
for Trump? Isn't in play for Biden? Very important Swing states.
Sean Spice was going to stop by later in the
show to break it all through for us. Then later
on what is going on the Southern board? Do we
just winn as a terrorist attack at the southern border?
God forbid? Todd Benson's going to stop by to break
that down for us as well. All of that and
more on im right, I would say.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
In listening to the chargers from the judge, who's as.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know, very conflicted.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Because of the confliction, very very correctly, Mother Teresa could
not beat these judges.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged. It's
a disgrace, and I mean that Mother Teresa could not
beat those judges. But we'll see, we'll see how we do.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think the people of this country see that this
is a rigged deal.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It's a weaponized deal for the Democrats to hit their
political opponents.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Mother Teresa could not beat these charges, so says former
President Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You know he's probably right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But before we explain why he's probably right about that,
why don't we take a step back a little bit
and explain at how exactly it is that we have
gotten to this point. There are four criminal prosecutions currently
pending against President Donald Trump. Alvin Bragg, the Soros funded
prosecutor in New York County, New York. He was the
first out of the gate. He was the first one
to drop his thirty four count indictments over a year ago.
(01:57):
Now in April of twenty twenty three. Take a look
at those charges.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Though.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We're gonna circle back to what's happening right now in
the court room. But I think it's important just to
set the scene and just do a very brief surveying
of the land and a quick rundown of the calendar.
Alvin Bragg's thirty four account indictment drops thirty four misdemeanor
charges for New York State fraudulent bookkeeping. Now, that particular
charge in New York State, lest I remind you, has
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a two year statute of limitations built into it. What
that means is that the actual underlying charge for Alvin
Bragg this Soro's funded prosecutor who literally campaigned for office
on an explicit Get Trump platform. Yes, he literally did
do that. Those thirty four accounts actually told around twenty
eighteen or so because of the two year statute of
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limitations all along, but Alvin Bragg's theory of the case
has been along with Matthew Colangelo, the former third ranking
member and the Joe Biden Department of Justice, who is
now moonlighting as Alvin Bragg's as the robin to his
batman there in the New York County New York DA's
off the brag Colangelo theory of the case. Dare I
say also the judge Wanmersham theory of the case, because
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the judge seems to be just in with the prosecution
at this point. The theory of the case has been
that the way to get around a two year statute
of limitations while simultaneously elevating this misdemeanor offense to a felony,
thereby opening up the possibility of putting Donald Trump in
literal handcuffs and incarcerating him off in Riker's Island. Their
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theory has been that the fraudulent bookkeeping charges were actually
done in furtherance of something else, emphasis on dot dot
dot something else. Notably in the indictment last year when
it dropped in April twenty twenty three, Alvin Bragg never
said what that something else was. And here we are
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about to get a verdict in the first ever criminal
trial of a former president of the United States, and
we still don't know what that something else is. We
had closing arguments that took place yesterday, and the debate
in general over the past thirty six to forty eight hours,
or really the debate going back for at least a
week or two now, has been what are the jury
(04:10):
instructions going to be? How are the jury instructions going
to possibly account for the fact that the prosecution to
date has not actually told us what their theory of
the case is. You know, I've made this point on
my daily show here on the First America on Trial
so often because it just bears repeating. We are in
the uncharted waters, the uncharted territory of a former president
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of the United States being criminally charged, possibly sent off
in handcuffs to Rikers Island. And they literally have not
said but the actual predicate offense hits. They have not
ever bothered to fill in that infurtherance of They have
flowed the possibility that it is a New York state
campaign finance violation. They have flowed the possibility that it
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is a federal the United States Code campaign finance violation, which,
by the way, Alvin Bragg, as a New York County
New York DA, doesn't even have jurisdiction to bring that.
One doesn't have jurisdiction of bringing federal campaign fans violation.
That they upload, the possibility that maybe it is some
sort of tax violation. So all along this jury instruction
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debate has boiled down to this, Will the jury instructions
say what the actual crime is? Will it include what
lawyers call the relevant men'srea, the specific intentionality needed, these
specific mentality, these specific mental state, the subjective mental state
of the criminal defendant. You know, back when I was
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in law school, back when I was taking criminal law
my first year back at the University of Chicago Law School,
you learn that every crime has two parts. A men's rea,
which is your mentality, and then the actus rayis that's
the actual littural act. For example, if you are prosecuting
someone for homicide, the way that you can differentiate, among
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other factors between manslaughter, first degree murder, and so forth,
is what is the men's rea? Was it premeditated and
cold blood? Was it a negligent homicide?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And so forth?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
There a judge here, wanmer Sean not only has completely
completely elighted any possible consideration of relevant men's rea, the
jury instructions go even further than that. In what thesoways
exceptional legal commentator Jonathan Turley refers to as a coup
(06:25):
de gras, as a coup de gras for foreign President Trump.
And I hope and pray that Jonathan Turley is wrong
on that. But he said earlier today, and this has
been corroberated elsewhere, that the jury instructions include include a
deliberate omission, a deliberate decision not to fill in what
that infurtherance of predicate offense is. But another way, if
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the twelve jurors, let's say four of them, say that
the infurtherance of from the fraudulent bookkeeping is actually in
furtherance of a New York state campaign finance law. They
said that, Let's say four more say that it is
in furtherance of a federal campaign finance law. And then
let's say that the final four say that it is
in furtherance of a tax evasion for purposes of a
(07:11):
criminal conviction judgement. Shawn is going to treat that as
the required unanimity. That would mean that Donald Trump is convicted. Guys,
the fixes in this thing has been jerry rigged from
the outset. Robert de Niro, the whole Biden campaign apparatus
there outside the courtroom yesterday literally showing to the world
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what many of us have said for months and months now,
which is that this is not a legal proceeding. This
is not a criminal trial. This is a politicized lawfair
apparatus vehicle that the Democrat lawfair complex, as I call it,
is now increasingly forced to put all of their eggs
in this particular basket. All the others are collapsing. In Georgia,
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the Fannie Willis case, that's not again, the trial before
Novac in Florida, the classified documents case. Judge Aleen Cannon
has been doing a great job of slowwalking there. That's
not getting to a trial before November in all likelihood
either in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Similarly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
We are now waiting for the US Supreme Court to
tell us what happens when it comes to the scope
and breadth and depth of presidential community. So the Democrat
law fair complex is putting all of its eggs into
this rotten, feated New York City basket. And they know
it too. That is why they are pulling out all
the stunts. That is why the Democrat partisan judge While Marshan,
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who literally donated to the Joe Biden and twenty twenty campaign,
whose daughter Lauren Marshon has fundraised up to ninety three
million dollars for her well connected, well heeled Democratic fundraising
and political clients, based on the fact that her daddy
might become the first judge to incarcerate a former president.
That is why they have not seated an inch. Why
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would they. They're on the one yard line at this point. Folks,
If you are a red blooded American patriot, if you
are a constitutionalist, if you like me, if you love
this country, with every fiber of your being, if you
proudly waive the flag on July fourth, if you reread
Jefferson's eloquent rhetoric and the decoration, If you love our constitution,
(09:20):
our separation of powers, our federalist structure, our Bill of rights,
all of that, it doesn't matter what your part is,
an affiliation is. It doesn't actually matter who you hope
to be president of the United States this November. If
you love this country, you have to be rooting for
an acquittal or a hung jury in this case, the
people of the State of New York versus Donald J.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Trump.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
This case is an absolute farce. Some of the other
cases maybe could have gone in a different direction. The
classified Documents case in Florida. Okay, if Jacksmith, the Special
Council had prosecuted on a different charge, if he had
shoot an espionage Act, prosecution had decided to just go
with obstruction of justice, he actually might have had a case.
(10:04):
He didn't do that, obviously, but he might have had
a case. But this case, this case, where the jury
is deliberating and they don't even know what the actual
black letter criminal statue that they are supposed to be
assessing and adjudicating is we have crossed a rubicon, folks,
(10:25):
and it is not a pretty rubicon at all. Up next,
we're talking about all this and more with Mike Davis,
the founder of the Article three project. Mike's been all
over the airwaves when it comes to the lawfair against Trump.
Can't wait to get his reactions. Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I'm Josh Hammer once again filling in for Jessic Kelly
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Speaker 1 (11:51):
Time for some more insight on the first ever criminal
trial of a foreign president of the United States. Let's
bring on Mike Davis. He's the founder of the Article
three Project. It also happens to be my colleague at
the Article three Projects. Mike, thanks so much for joining us.
As we have finished closing arguments, we've gotten the jury
instructions now and now at this point, it's basically it's
(12:11):
basically just a waiting game. You have been following this,
just like me, throughout the entirety of this whole Swordid
Stalinist affair. What are your thoughts as we currently stand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
My thoughts have not changed. This is a partisan, corrupt,
rigged process by this corrupt Democrat Manhattan judge who illegally
donated to Trump to Biden's campaign. He got reprimanded for
this several months ago. We just learned his daughter, Lauren
Mishon is raising millions of dollars off of this unprecedented
(12:45):
criminal trial of the former un likely future president, requiring
Judge Marshaan's recusal. He refused to recuse. Instead, he retaliated
against Trump. Threatened to throw Trump in jail with an unconstitutional,
illegal gag order if Trump made Laura Mahan or Trump
mentions that's Soros. Fut of Manhattan DA brought in this
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Biden political appoint see Matthew Colangelo to resurrect this bogus
zombie case against Trump. Trump can't talk about Stormy Daniels
or Michael Cohen changing their story several times, raising money,
trashing Trump online. But Trump can't respond. Cohen is their
star witness. He's a serial perjurer, convicted felon. We learned
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he embezzled from Trump. Both Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen
hate Trump. You have this jury pool, this Manhattan jury
pool that voted eighty seven percent for Joe Biden and
Mershan and Colangelo and Brad further rigged the jury selection
process by bouncing people who followed Trump on social media,
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the three people in Manhattan who followed Trump on truth,
but not bouncing people who follow Biden. So you have
a rigged jury. And then we saw this judgment. Sean
and Braggan. Colangelo further rigged this by giving these unconstitutional
jury instructions where they don't even have to unanimously find
that Trump committed the crime that Trump the second crime
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that Trump supposedly committed in furtherance of this supposed bookkeeping misdemeanor,
it's not even a bookkeeping misdemeanor. They don't even have
to unanimously agree as a jury what that second crime is.
So four people can say it was a federal election crime,
four people can say it was a New York election crime,
and four people can say it was something else. Again,
(14:34):
this is a partisan, corrupt, rigged process against President Trump.
This is law fair at election interference.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So the point that I made it in the opening
monologue was that when Alvin Brad first unveiled this indictment,
these thirty four accounts over a year ago. Now, one
of my very first thoughts, I'm sure one of your
very first thoughts was Okay, well, this fraudulent bookkeeping charge
has a two year statute of limitations that told years ago,
what are they actually gonna tell us what the predicate
offense is? What are they gonna tell us what the
(15:04):
infurtherance of something else is? And I've been waiting throughout
this trial. I've been waiting. I've been waiting. I've been waiting.
When is Brad Colangelo all the rest of these clowns.
What are they gonna tell us what the actual offense is?
And here we are waiting for averse and.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
They literally have not done.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So I just find this so unbelievably astounded. And you know,
cards on the table here, I generally tend to be
favorable towards the prosecution. In fact, years ago, you and
I have been friends for a while now, but I
remember that when we first got drinks Man the years ago,
you called me a caveman conservative because of my zeal
for all things prosecution and throwing people in jail. And
I say that because I, of all people also, I'm
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looking at this and saying.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What the actual heck, what the actual heck?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean? Is this all that it takes to put
a president in jail? So what is your actual prediction.
I mean, you and I agree as to what should happen,
but putting on your your your prediction had what do
you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think this is so rigged against President, with this
corrupt and partisan judge, these partisan prosecutors, in these rigged
jury selection and these rigged jury instructions, I think they're
going to find Trump guilty for this noncrime of a
businessman settling a nuisance claim and putting it in his
private books as a legal expense in his private books.
(16:18):
I don't know what else you would call it other
than legal expense. I've been a lawyer for nearly twenty years.
Apparently I'm the felony because I've been settling these nuisance
claims for business people and businesses for nearly twenty years,
and they book it as a legal expense, and somehow
booking it in your private books was somehow a book
keeping misdemeanor related to business books, and somehow booking it
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in your books in twenty seventeen, in your private books
somehow affect it the twenty sixteen presidential election. And then
somehow that was a felony because you had a presidential
candidate conspiring with others to try to win the election,
and somehow that's a felony under this legal theory. Apparently
every presidential candidate, every candidate for office in world history
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is now apparently felons because they tried to conspire to
win the election.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
All right, so let's assume the worst. Let's assume that
what you said is right and that they're going to
convict him. I mean, they're going to put him in handcoffs,
So they're going to do the whole like Riper's Island
orange jumpsuit thing. When is it going to be an appeal?
Is it going to be an appeal before the election November?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Do we think it's?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Kind of an expert I had timeline for an appeal,
and I mean, talk us through how this actually looks.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
If the jury does do what you predicted they would.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, I would say this, at best, there might be
a hung jury. But I don't even think there's going
to be a hungury. But even if there is a
hung jury, that just means that this corrupt partisan judge
and these partisan prosecutors can just retry Trump immediately and
keep him in that courtroom for another three months instead
of the campaign trail. And so if they do fight
him guilty in this judge convicts, which I expect the
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judge to do, he could sentence Trump to prison. Now
there is a federal statute where the Secret Service is
bound to protect former presidents for the rest of their lives,
and so Judge Marchond is going to have to work
with the Secret Service to put President Trump into prison
with his Secret Service detail for the rest of Trump's life,
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if that's where they're heading with this. But look, this
is not going to fly with the American people. And
this is where these Biden Democrats don't understand this. Trump's
already already going to win by like two points according
to current polling. If they convict him in New York
out of these bogus non crimes, then I think Trump's
going to win by like four points if they try
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to throw Trump in prison, which I think Judge Marchon
will do because he is so conflicted and his daughter,
Lauren Machon is raising millions of dollars off of this
unprecedented criminal prosecution that her father is presiding over. If
he doesn't do this, he knows that the Biden Democrats
are going to cut off Lauren Machan as their leading
campaign consultant and fundraiser and they're going to throw her
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to the wolves. So I think that he may try
to put Trump in prison. If he does that, Trump's
gonna win by like six points or more. It's gonna
be like Nelson Mandela. But even if Trump, even if
there's judge says, you know, we're not gonna put Trump
in prison because of the logistics of the Secret Service.
We're just gonna put him in home confinements. And then
he asked to report to my New York courthouse every
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like once a week or twice a week for drug
test and urine test and probation. They're going to try
to keep President Trump off the campaign trail for the
rest of this year.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, one under said, and that very much is one
of their lead goals all along, as you and I
both know. I mean, while Joe Biden is campaigning in Pennsylvania,
Donald Trump is confined to this core room for the
five days of the working week. So, Mike, and in
remaining time, I want to spit hears a little bit here.
Justice sam Alito, who has been in the leftist crosshairs
for a while, and now for these outrageous, these frankly,
(19:55):
just absurdly stupid stories about the flags that he was flying,
both in his Virginia own than his New Jersey Beach home.
They're very common flags. They say it's an insurrectionist symbol.
So he took the step of actually writing a formal
letter to San Jucieri Chairman Dick Durbin and the rest
of Senate Democrats explaining why he's not going to recuse.
When do you go ahead and just break that down
for us, What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
That He's absolutely right? Justice Alito should tell them to
go to hell, frankly, because he does not. He is
required not to recuse. With the lower federal courts. The
federal judges are interchangeable, and if there's an appearance of bias,
you can just swap out another judge. With Supreme Court justices,
they're not. There is a presumption that Supreme Court justices
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do not recuse because you do not want to what
you do not want to happen. What the Senate Democrats
and other Democrats the New York Times are doing right now.
They're trying to play games right now to get Alido
to recuse because he's deciding to January sixth cases, the
Trump case on presidential immunity and the Fisher case, where
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the Biden Justice Department used the end run obstruction of
justice statutes for corporate fraud to go after Trump and
his and their political enemies. The January sixth defendants. Justice
Alito should not recuse. His wife blew an upside down
distress American flag after one of their deranged neighbors at
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an f Trump sign in front of a school bus,
and the neighbor called Missus Alito the sea word. They're
lucky that Missus Alito only flew the upside down distress
flag after that instead of knocking their faces with her fist.
And she also flew the Appeal to Heaven flag, the
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George Washington Revolutionary War flag that has blown across America
for centuries, including by the city of San Francisco. Not
exactly MAGA supporters in the City of San Francisco. This
is a bogus game that the Democrats are playing, and
Jody Canter at The New York Times is a partisan
shill for bringing this bogus these bogus stories against Justice
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Alito of Justice Alito needs to recuse Jody and Senate Democrats.
Why hasn't the bust Biden Justice Department asked for Justice
Alito's recusal and the Fisher case and the Trump case
And the answer is they know that request would be
legally frivolous and they probably get sanctioned.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, there you have it, Mike Davis, appreciate your time, brother,
Thank you. Josh ert more on Law Fair and All
Things twenty twenty four campaign related coming up next for
bringing on Sean Spicer.
Speaker 7 (22:38):
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(23:01):
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Speaker 6 (23:44):
Under Trump, this kind of government will perish from the earth.
I don't mean to scare you. No, no, wait, maybe
I do mean to scare you. If Trump returns to
the White House, you can kiss these freedoms goodbye. We
all take for granted, and elections forget about it. That's over,
(24:05):
that's done. If he gets in, I can tell you
right now.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
He will never leave.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
He will never leave. You know that he will never leave.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Elections forget about it, says washed Uff former A List
actor Robert de Niro.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But what says Sean Spicer.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Sean Spicer is the host, of course, of the Shawn
Spicer Show right here on the first TV Monday through
Friday at seven pm. Sewan, thank you so much for
joining us. As you and I both watched this this
clown car destruction from Robert de Niro and the Democrat
law Fair complex playing out outside of the courtroom of
Justice wanmer Shawn in New York City earlier this week.
(24:47):
You know, we've talked about the law Fair already on
this show. What are the politics of this? I mean,
is this actually going to work out for the Democrats?
Seems like kind of a hail Mary to me.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Oh, it's a huge Heil Mary.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You see the guy in the back by the way, ah,
the black gentleman to over Danniro's left shoulder. He is
the constructor for the Biden campaign. This was clearly I mean,
I cannot believe the level of incompetence, the idea that
you would show up, you haven't shown up in what
five weeks, and suddenly you show up on the day
of this court hearing and make a big spectacle like this.
(25:20):
This was I mean, this was a massive unforced error,
and it proved the Trump campaign's point that this is
all political by the very nature of the campaign folks
showing up, and secondly by the fact that that you've
got the constructor for the campaign standing behind him. So
it was really I frankly, they had tried to keep
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this notion that it was political out of the dialogue
for a while. This just literally gave the campaign on
the Trump side the perfect talking point when it needed
one desperately, just in terms of the nature and the narrative.
So I cannot believe I look here my guests on this.
By the way, there was a big political headline yesterday
(26:04):
saying that the Dems were freaking out their words, not mine,
about how this campaign is being run and the concern
that a lot of leading Democrats have about the current
poll numbers. This just gave further concern to that same
group of people.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Surprised to see a shake up at the top levels
of the campaign in the next week or two. More
likely than not. What I would see as like some
kind of babysitter coming in where they say that they're
bringing in an old hand, a rama manual, if you will.
Somebody comes in and says he's going to be the
new chairman or something like that. But these guys are
making unforced errors at a critical time.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, they're making a ton of unforced stairs, and they're
making it right out in the open, and they are
freaking out. As the political article described in luscious and
quite livid detail. And you know, the Biden campaign is
in Philadelphia this week. They're in Pennsylvania while Donald Trump
is being confined to this core room in New York City.
So what is the place there? Are they trying just
to gin up black support in Philadelphia? They trying to
(27:03):
reassure the black demographic. I mean, when they look at
the current polls, when they look at the stunts they're
pulling this hail Mary thing with Robert de Niro, what
is their move just to try to get enthusiasmic voter
turnout from historically democratic groups like black voters, millennials, groups
like that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, it's twofold.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
The first is that logistically it's easy, right, I mean,
this is their go too. If they need to go somewhere,
you go to Pennsylvania. I mean you see this every week.
It's like on the way home for him when he
goes to Delaware to the beach or to his house.
So it's logistically easy. Two, it's part of what they
call the Blue Wall Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
They have to win.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I mean, I don't see how there's any scenario to
get to two seventy if you don't win one of
those three if you're Biden. Right, So that's it. And
then look and then to your point about that, they
know that they are rooting support among black men in particular.
You've seen Trump at the end of the last election,
he was about eight percent. Right now he's pulling just
north of twenty percent. That's a concern from them. You
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think about these urban areas, the states that I just
mentioned Detroit in Michigan, Milwaukee and Wisconsin in Pennsylvania, and
Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Just to put this in context to people,
the twenty electoral votes in Pennsylvania were won by Trump
by forty four two hundred and ninety two votes, which
is zero point seven two of a percent of margin.
(28:26):
In twenty sixteen, Biden won Pennsylvania according to the official record,
by eighty five hundred and fifty five votes. That's one
point eighty six. This is going to be a close state.
And so, as I said, the bottom line is, if
you think about that blue wall Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, well,
it's just easy, you know, to always be going there
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because it's twenty electoral votes. That's more than Michigan's sixteen
and in Wisconsin's ten. It's the big prize and it's
just easy for them on a Friday to be like, hey,
we're on our way to the beach. Let's spring by Pennsylvania,
maybe Philly or so. That's why they're doing what they're doing.
It's a key constituency that they need and it's an
easy swing by logistically.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well, you know, switching gears a little bit sean, but
sticking on the same overarching theme of swing states and
key demographics and everything like that. I mean, probably the
last remaining huge question when it comes to the Republican
ticket is who's the other half that ticket going to be?
And you know, this is that time of the year
where politic goes like me and you love to talk
about the veepsteaks and all of that. Who should it
be and what kind of factors should go into that
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decision for President Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, it's funny you asked that. I did a
thing on my show the other day where I put
my bet into an envelope and I mailed it to
my producer in la and we will open that on
my show when he is to see if I'm right.
But I will tell you this. If I had to
give you a list right now, I would say it's
going to be it's probably Tom Cotton, jd Vance, Marco Rubio.
(29:58):
I still have a problem with Rubio and Florida. I
don't know. I hear that people are talking about ways
to get around this, but people have to remember that
Florida has thirty electoral votes. The constitution prohibits the same
the vice president and the president both getting them from
any given state, so it logistically doesn't make sense. There
are talks that potentially Rubio would resign and then move
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out of state. Again, I think that's too complicated. I
think Trump is going to go someone that he feels
like he has a relationship with that understands the dynamic,
meaning they have to be the robin to his batman.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, it's totally right and to your point as well
as a Floridia myself, I couldn't agree with you more
strongly about Marc or Rubio. The text of the twelfth
Amendment is actually it's actually pretty clear on this one.
To be honest with you. They managed to get around
to it with Cheney in two thousand. But Cheney pretty big.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, obviously you know the law really well. And
the bottom line is they didn't get around it in
twenty twenty, right, I mean Cheney just sort of knew
it and said, great, I'll move back to Wyoming. I
still own houses that But again, it's not just moving.
Remember the state that you moved to has to allow
you to become a voter quickly. Some states say that
you have to be there for months. So in the
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case of Rubio, he would have to move back and
to somewhere and establish residency quick Again. I get it's possible,
but it's just one more dynamic and one more challenge.
In the case of Dick Cheney in two thousand, he
was obviously he'd represented Wyoming in the Congress. They still
had light land and property there. It made sense and
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no one was going to challenge it. There's a I
mean would I would be very concerned about making sure
if you're going to make a bold move like that
with a Rubio or a Byron Donald's, that you had
that thing six ways to Sunday lockdown, because the last
thing you need is a challenge when it comes to
electoral college and the thirty electoral votes that Florida would
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be clearly in the Trump column.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, no, I strongly agree with you, Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And for what it's worth, my own personal two cents
is I've been an outspoken advocate for JD. Vans on
those on those russ Belt blue Wall state grounds.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That kind of is basically my argument.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But in any event, I guess we'll see and hopefully
you're gonna, you know, open up an envelope with your
producer and hopefully you'll you'll be correct at the.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
End of the day.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But Sean Spicer was a host of Seawan Spicer Show
right here on the first TV.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Thanks for joining us, Sean, as always, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Come up next, we'll talk with Todd Bensman, one of
the absolute best immigration reporters out there.
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Speaker 9 (33:30):
Camilo Montoya Galvez spoke to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandromiorcis, who
responded to the accusations of the administration encouraging migrants to
come to the US.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
That is false if we take a look at migration,
not just at our southern border, but in context, the
level of migration throughout the hemisphere is unprecedented, unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do you believe a word that? Secretary my Orcus says,
I'm not sure if I do. We'll find out what
our guest thinks. So joining us now is the great
Todd Bensman Todd is a fellow at the Center for
Immigration Studies and also the author of Overrun, How Joe
Biden leaves the greatest border crisis in US history. Todd Bensman,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Good to be here.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Of course your work has been absolutely indispensable when it
comes to all things immigration and border security related for
a very very long time now, So always love your work.
So before we get into this very interesting and eye
opening piece, who wrote the New York Post, Why do
me just get your reaction to what we just heard
from Secretary of Majorkers. I mean, do you believe anything
he's saying there about encouraging legal migration?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Well, I believe the immigrants. I've interviewed thousands of them
now over the last three years all over Mexico and
Central America, literally thousands, And it doesn't matter what nationality
they are, or what country or where they're coming from
or anything. They always say the same thing that I
am coming now because they're letting us in. And that's it.
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They're letting us in. They've never let us in like
this before. We sold everything we had, where beg borrowed,
stole the money, that was necessary to pay smugglers, and
we're going in. All our neighbors got in, all our
friends got in, all our relatives got in. So I'm
always going to default to the primary sources on this,
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and that's the ones who are making the decisions to
spend the money to come, who said that they would
not have come had the border not been wide open,
had their odds of being let in, and to stay
pretty much forever forever, let's just say it that they
would have stayed home.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, and you know your work is Elsie helped to
shanny bright spotlight on this. It's been a problem for time.
I mean, Tod's been upon for about as long as
I've been following US politics. I mean, during the Trump administration,
I think we started to see a bit of a
crackdown when it comes to fraudulent assi les here. But
you certainly the situation right now under Secretary Majorcas and
President Biden is the worst that you or I have
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probably ever seen, as probably the worst in this country's history.
But you know, you also wrote a fascinating piece of
The New York Post a little bit related. This really
got a lot of attention and well deserved attention in
social media. From what I saw, your piece of the
New York Post basically says that Bien officials are engaged
and potentially a cover up. They're essentially covering up an
attempted terror attack committed by illegal aliens here. You know,
(36:33):
why don't you give us some detail as to what
you found.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
On May third, two Jordanian illegal immigrants got in a
big box truck, you know, one of those big like
Amazon size trucks that unmarked though said that they were
Amazon deliverymen when they went to the gate of Quantico
Marine Corps base also big FBI training facility there, very
(37:02):
symbolic as a terror target, and they were put into
secondary inspection because they didn't have IDs or anything. And
when they were in secondary inspection, they hit the gas
and tried to ram through and break bust through the
court on there to reach the little village of Quantico
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just inside the gates where who knows what they were
going to do. It sure looked, I mean, on its own,
it's terrible enough. But one of those Jordanians crossed the
border illegally, came in from Mexico. We're not sure exactly when,
but not that long ago. And was waved through and
rubber stamped in like everybody else. And if this was
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a terror attack, then that would make this the first
attempted terror attack by a border crossing illegal immigrant from
the Middle East came in accessed the target through the border.
The problem is that the the Biden administration has now
had almost a month of questioning what was this? Was
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there a terror motive? That's the big question. Was there
a terror motive? Second big question is what was in
the truck? Was the truck itself a weapon? What were
they going to why were they trying to? Who does that?
Who tries to vehicle ram their way into a heavily
guarded military base if not a terrorist. So, you know,
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there's a blackout on information coming from the Biden administration.
In my column in the New York Post, you know,
I'm left We're all left to just speculate at this point,
but and to conduct analytical assessments. And my analytical assessment
is that the way the administration is behaving is all
(38:51):
but confirmation that this was a terror attack, and that
they know it was, and that they can't deny it
because they know it to be true and they don't
want to be on the record in case whatever they
get found out lying or they know it is and
they don't want to say it because Donald Trump will
use that like a giant heavy sledgehammer at the very
(39:15):
next televised debate. And so the end result is that
nobody really knows for sure, but I believe it to
be true, and I'll just say that, and I would
invite the Washington Post and the New York Times to
all come out and fact check me to death on that. Please.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, you know, Todd, it's a wonderful invitation to the
Washington Post in the New York Times.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I'm not sure you're going to find.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Many reporters tragically who are going to take you up
on that, although they really should, you know. I mean,
just a quick word about Quantico for those who maybe
you are less familiar. I mean, I've been to Quantico
as many Americans have. I was there to see one
of my law school buddies actually have his Marine Corps
graduation after he finished basics training. This was like six
years ago or so. It's my iconic American military facil.
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So it really is exactly the kind of place where
you might have some miscreans and some lowblet breakers, people
who are frankly up to no good. It is an
obvious target for folks who are motivated by that sort
of thing. So, Todd, I guess you kind of answered
this question already. But I mean, nothing's going to happen here, right,
if we're being realistic, I mean, the BIME Instruation is
(40:20):
not going to do anything here. Are they basically just
hoping that people are going to forget about your story,
forget about this whole conversation. The whole thing is just
going to get swept under the rug. Is that basically?
Is that basically the legal and the political move.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Here, I believe So. I believe that they are well
aware that the regular legacy media is not interested in
this story at all. They've shown no interest. There was
a big White House press conference just a few days
ago and Fox News's Doocey was the only one who
(40:52):
asked about this, and you can just watch the expressions
on the faces of all the other report orders, the
disinterest that nobody followed up on him on his questions,
what do you say about this Quantico base thing? And
she was like, you know, that's a law enforcement matter,
so we're not going to say anything about that. Well,
(41:15):
how about if you he said, was this a failed
terror attack? And she wouldn't say no, she wouldn't say yes,
she wouldn't say anything, and nobody else followed her up
on it, not followed him up on that question, like
what since when would something like this happen at Quantico?
And the White House Press Corps not express absolutely no
(41:37):
interest except for one guy. So I do believe that
they're counting on the sort of complicity of silence on
this issue.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So you know, Chuck Schumer has recently resurrected his Senate
border bill after it went down in flames last time
they tried it here, and it's probably not going to
get a whole lot further this time. I mean, I'm
trying to look ahead here for those of us who
actually want the secure border, for those of us who,
you know, heaven forbid, actually desire to see a country
where Jordanian's Middle Eastern is not basically willing to get
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to the gates of Quantico and attempt a terrorist attack.
Do we have any hope for the rest of this year, Todd?
Or is our only hope really that that Trump prevails
and then starts changing some policies come January twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
I don't know. Everybody always accuses me of depressing them
on that question, and you know, I can't deny it,
but I kind of am with the latter. I think
that nothing is going to change here at all until
after November. And that goes for the Biden administration too.
The administration has got Mexico doing it's dirty work down
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there to slow some of the flow so that it
doesn't look as bad, at least in Texas. They've got
the numbers like from fourteen thousand a day to you know,
seven thousand a day, which seems to be under the
threshold of media interest. I think the only way that
any of this is going to change is if there's
(43:05):
a new occupant of the White House, because you know,
this administration has really made a decision that they are
not going to follow any immigration law, nor are they
going to use any of the readily available executive authorities
that Donald Trump used to shut the whole thing down,
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Like you know, overnight, they opened up the spigot. They
they made it so that probably close to one hundred
percent of everybody who reaches the southern border is allowed
in and to stay in for years, if not forever.
That's simply unprecedented that you have that much of a
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guarantee of entering and staying in this country. I mean
Majorcus himself recently said, yeah, about eighty five percent of
everybody who reaches the order more than he said, more
than eighty five percent of everybody who reaches the border.
Now you know we're stamping them in. That's unprecedented. I mean,
if I had those odds at the table games in Vegas, man,
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I'd have my own TETs up out there looking, you know,
and I'll waiting for my turn to get at one
of those card games.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, you and me both, brother, But look, Todd, fantastic
work as always. You really are one of the indispensable
journalists and researchers and investigative reporters out there when it
comes to this issue. Thank you for this article on
the Post, and thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Coming up next, it's lighting the mood. Well, it's time
to lighten the mood. And here is something that I
know very much lightened my mood. You know, they say
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that God has a sense of humor, right, They say
that man plans, but God will lasts. And every so
often you see a clip like this that really just
reassures you of that. I mean, you have people there
that are supporting this US recognized foreign terrorist organization, openly
clamoring for more jihadism, for more political Islam, for more
murderous barbaric medieval Islamist savagery, going ahead and burning the
(45:35):
flag of our Israeli allies, and you know what, they're
gonna get burned too. Honestly, personally, when I see this clip,
the only thing that I think of is I'm only
upset they think get burned even harder could have taken
a pretty big bright burned to the face. Maybe that
would have been some just come uppance for you filthy,
dirty terrorst supporting savages. In the meantime, like I said,
you know, you gotta look for the little things, right,
(45:57):
God shows himself in very mysterious ways. We kind of
have to think maybe maybe maybe that's what's going on here.
That's our show, guys. Once again, Josh Hammer been filling
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Trump verdict imminently forthcoming there in New York City. We
have never seen anything like this before in the entire
history of the public. Mike Davis, founder of Article three project,
helped you with us later to unpack it all. Meanwhile,
Joe Biden campaign today in Philadelphia. Is Pennsylvania in play
(00:24):
for Trump? Isn't in play for Biden? Very important Swing states.
Sean Spice was going to stop by later in the
show to break it all through for us. Then later
on what is going on the Southern board? Do we
just winn as a terrorist attack at the southern border?
God forbid? Todd Benson's going to stop by to break
that down for us as well. All of that and
more on im right, I would say.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
In listening to the chargers from the judge, who's as.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
You know, very conflicted.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
Because of the confliction, very very correctly, Mother Teresa could
not beat these judges.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
These charges are rigged. The whole thing is rigged. It's
a disgrace, and I mean that Mother Teresa could not
beat those judges. But we'll see, we'll see how we do.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
I think the people of this country see that this
is a rigged deal.
Speaker 4 (01:21):
It's a weaponized deal for the Democrats to hit their
political opponents.
Speaker 1 (01:28):
Mother Teresa could not beat these charges, so says former
President Donald Trump.
Speaker 5 (01:34):
You know he's probably right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
But before we explain why he's probably right about that,
why don't we take a step back a little bit
and explain at how exactly it is that we have
gotten to this point. There are four criminal prosecutions currently
pending against President Donald Trump. Alvin Bragg, the Soros funded
prosecutor in New York County, New York. He was the
first out of the gate. He was the first one
to drop his thirty four count indictments over a year ago.
(01:57):
Now in April of twenty twenty three. Take a look
at those charges.
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Though.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
We're gonna circle back to what's happening right now in
the court room. But I think it's important just to
set the scene and just do a very brief surveying
of the land and a quick rundown of the calendar.
Alvin Bragg's thirty four account indictment drops thirty four misdemeanor
charges for New York State fraudulent bookkeeping. Now, that particular
charge in New York State, lest I remind you, has
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a two year statute of limitations built into it. What
that means is that the actual underlying charge for Alvin
Bragg this Soro's funded prosecutor who literally campaigned for office
on an explicit Get Trump platform. Yes, he literally did
do that. Those thirty four accounts actually told around twenty
eighteen or so because of the two year statute of
(02:44):
limitations all along, but Alvin Bragg's theory of the case
has been along with Matthew Colangelo, the former third ranking
member and the Joe Biden Department of Justice, who is
now moonlighting as Alvin Bragg's as the robin to his
batman there in the New York County New York DA's
off the brag Colangelo theory of the case. Dare I
say also the judge Wanmersham theory of the case, because
(03:06):
the judge seems to be just in with the prosecution
at this point. The theory of the case has been
that the way to get around a two year statute
of limitations while simultaneously elevating this misdemeanor offense to a felony,
thereby opening up the possibility of putting Donald Trump in
literal handcuffs and incarcerating him off in Riker's Island. Their
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theory has been that the fraudulent bookkeeping charges were actually
done in furtherance of something else, emphasis on dot dot
dot something else. Notably in the indictment last year when
it dropped in April twenty twenty three, Alvin Bragg never
said what that something else was. And here we are
(03:48):
about to get a verdict in the first ever criminal
trial of a former president of the United States, and
we still don't know what that something else is. We
had closing arguments that took place yesterday, and the debate
in general over the past thirty six to forty eight hours,
or really the debate going back for at least a
week or two now, has been what are the jury
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instructions going to be? How are the jury instructions going
to possibly account for the fact that the prosecution to
date has not actually told us what their theory of
the case is. You know, I've made this point on
my daily show here on the First America on Trial
so often because it just bears repeating. We are in
the uncharted waters, the uncharted territory of a former president
(04:31):
of the United States being criminally charged, possibly sent off
in handcuffs to Rikers Island. And they literally have not
said but the actual predicate offense hits. They have not
ever bothered to fill in that infurtherance of They have
flowed the possibility that it is a New York state
campaign finance violation. They have flowed the possibility that it
(04:52):
is a federal the United States Code campaign finance violation, which,
by the way, Alvin Bragg, as a New York County
New York DA, doesn't even have jurisdiction to bring that.
One doesn't have jurisdiction of bringing federal campaign fans violation.
That they upload, the possibility that maybe it is some
sort of tax violation. So all along this jury instruction
(05:13):
debate has boiled down to this, Will the jury instructions
say what the actual crime is? Will it include what
lawyers call the relevant men'srea, the specific intentionality needed, these
specific mentality, these specific mental state, the subjective mental state
of the criminal defendant. You know, back when I was
(05:35):
in law school, back when I was taking criminal law
my first year back at the University of Chicago Law School,
you learn that every crime has two parts. A men's rea,
which is your mentality, and then the actus rayis that's
the actual littural act. For example, if you are prosecuting
someone for homicide, the way that you can differentiate, among
(05:56):
other factors between manslaughter, first degree murder, and so forth,
is what is the men's rea? Was it premeditated and
cold blood? Was it a negligent homicide?
Speaker 5 (06:04):
And so forth?
Speaker 1 (06:05):
There a judge here, wanmer Sean not only has completely
completely elighted any possible consideration of relevant men's rea, the
jury instructions go even further than that. In what thesoways
exceptional legal commentator Jonathan Turley refers to as a coup
(06:25):
de gras, as a coup de gras for foreign President Trump.
And I hope and pray that Jonathan Turley is wrong
on that. But he said earlier today, and this has
been corroberated elsewhere, that the jury instructions include include a
deliberate omission, a deliberate decision not to fill in what
that infurtherance of predicate offense is. But another way, if
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the twelve jurors, let's say four of them, say that
the infurtherance of from the fraudulent bookkeeping is actually in
furtherance of a New York state campaign finance law. They
said that, Let's say four more say that it is
in furtherance of a federal campaign finance law. And then
let's say that the final four say that it is
in furtherance of a tax evasion for purposes of a
(07:11):
criminal conviction judgement. Shawn is going to treat that as
the required unanimity. That would mean that Donald Trump is convicted. Guys,
the fixes in this thing has been jerry rigged from
the outset. Robert de Niro, the whole Biden campaign apparatus
there outside the courtroom yesterday literally showing to the world
(07:33):
what many of us have said for months and months now,
which is that this is not a legal proceeding. This
is not a criminal trial. This is a politicized lawfair
apparatus vehicle that the Democrat lawfair complex, as I call it,
is now increasingly forced to put all of their eggs
in this particular basket. All the others are collapsing. In Georgia,
(07:57):
the Fannie Willis case, that's not again, the trial before
Novac in Florida, the classified documents case. Judge Aleen Cannon
has been doing a great job of slowwalking there. That's
not getting to a trial before November in all likelihood
either in Washington, d C.
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Similarly unlikely.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
We are now waiting for the US Supreme Court to
tell us what happens when it comes to the scope
and breadth and depth of presidential community. So the Democrat
law fair complex is putting all of its eggs into
this rotten, feated New York City basket. And they know
it too. That is why they are pulling out all
the stunts. That is why the Democrat partisan judge While Marshan,
(08:33):
who literally donated to the Joe Biden and twenty twenty campaign,
whose daughter Lauren Marshon has fundraised up to ninety three
million dollars for her well connected, well heeled Democratic fundraising
and political clients, based on the fact that her daddy
might become the first judge to incarcerate a former president.
That is why they have not seated an inch. Why
(08:56):
would they. They're on the one yard line at this point. Folks,
If you are a red blooded American patriot, if you
are a constitutionalist, if you like me, if you love
this country, with every fiber of your being, if you
proudly waive the flag on July fourth, if you reread
Jefferson's eloquent rhetoric and the decoration, If you love our constitution,
(09:20):
our separation of powers, our federalist structure, our Bill of rights,
all of that, it doesn't matter what your part is,
an affiliation is. It doesn't actually matter who you hope
to be president of the United States this November. If
you love this country, you have to be rooting for
an acquittal or a hung jury in this case, the
people of the State of New York versus Donald J.
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Trump.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
This case is an absolute farce. Some of the other
cases maybe could have gone in a different direction. The
classified Documents case in Florida. Okay, if Jacksmith, the Special
Council had prosecuted on a different charge, if he had
shoot an espionage Act, prosecution had decided to just go
with obstruction of justice, he actually might have had a case.
(10:04):
He didn't do that, obviously, but he might have had
a case. But this case, this case, where the jury
is deliberating and they don't even know what the actual
black letter criminal statue that they are supposed to be
assessing and adjudicating is we have crossed a rubicon, folks,
(10:25):
and it is not a pretty rubicon at all. Up next,
we're talking about all this and more with Mike Davis,
the founder of the Article three project. Mike's been all
over the airwaves when it comes to the lawfair against Trump.
Can't wait to get his reactions. Stay with us.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
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Speaker 1 (11:51):
Time for some more insight on the first ever criminal
trial of a foreign president of the United States. Let's
bring on Mike Davis. He's the founder of the Article
three Project. It also happens to be my colleague at
the Article three Projects. Mike, thanks so much for joining us.
As we have finished closing arguments, we've gotten the jury
instructions now and now at this point, it's basically it's
(12:11):
basically just a waiting game. You have been following this,
just like me, throughout the entirety of this whole Swordid
Stalinist affair. What are your thoughts as we currently stand.
Speaker 2 (12:22):
My thoughts have not changed. This is a partisan, corrupt,
rigged process by this corrupt Democrat Manhattan judge who illegally
donated to Trump to Biden's campaign. He got reprimanded for
this several months ago. We just learned his daughter, Lauren
Mishon is raising millions of dollars off of this unprecedented
(12:45):
criminal trial of the former un likely future president, requiring
Judge Marshaan's recusal. He refused to recuse. Instead, he retaliated
against Trump. Threatened to throw Trump in jail with an unconstitutional,
illegal gag order if Trump made Laura Mahan or Trump
mentions that's Soros. Fut of Manhattan DA brought in this
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Biden political appoint see Matthew Colangelo to resurrect this bogus
zombie case against Trump. Trump can't talk about Stormy Daniels
or Michael Cohen changing their story several times, raising money,
trashing Trump online. But Trump can't respond. Cohen is their
star witness. He's a serial perjurer, convicted felon. We learned
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he embezzled from Trump. Both Stormy Daniels and Michael Cohen
hate Trump. You have this jury pool, this Manhattan jury
pool that voted eighty seven percent for Joe Biden and
Mershan and Colangelo and Brad further rigged the jury selection
process by bouncing people who followed Trump on social media,
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the three people in Manhattan who followed Trump on truth,
but not bouncing people who follow Biden. So you have
a rigged jury. And then we saw this judgment. Sean
and Braggan. Colangelo further rigged this by giving these unconstitutional
jury instructions where they don't even have to unanimously find
that Trump committed the crime that Trump the second crime
(14:14):
that Trump supposedly committed in furtherance of this supposed bookkeeping misdemeanor,
it's not even a bookkeeping misdemeanor. They don't even have
to unanimously agree as a jury what that second crime is.
So four people can say it was a federal election crime,
four people can say it was a New York election crime,
and four people can say it was something else. Again,
(14:34):
this is a partisan, corrupt, rigged process against President Trump.
This is law fair at election interference.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
So the point that I made it in the opening
monologue was that when Alvin Brad first unveiled this indictment,
these thirty four accounts over a year ago. Now, one
of my very first thoughts, I'm sure one of your
very first thoughts was Okay, well, this fraudulent bookkeeping charge
has a two year statute of limitations that told years ago,
what are they actually gonna tell us what the predicate
offense is? What are they gonna tell us what the
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infurtherance of something else is? And I've been waiting throughout
this trial. I've been waiting. I've been waiting. I've been waiting.
When is Brad Colangelo all the rest of these clowns.
What are they gonna tell us what the actual offense is?
And here we are waiting for averse and.
Speaker 5 (15:16):
They literally have not done.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
So I just find this so unbelievably astounded. And you know,
cards on the table here, I generally tend to be
favorable towards the prosecution. In fact, years ago, you and
I have been friends for a while now, but I
remember that when we first got drinks Man the years ago,
you called me a caveman conservative because of my zeal
for all things prosecution and throwing people in jail. And
I say that because I, of all people also, I'm
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looking at this and saying.
Speaker 5 (15:42):
What the actual heck, what the actual heck?
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I mean? Is this all that it takes to put
a president in jail? So what is your actual prediction.
I mean, you and I agree as to what should happen,
but putting on your your your prediction had what do
you think is gonna happen?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
I think this is so rigged against President, with this
corrupt and partisan judge, these partisan prosecutors, in these rigged
jury selection and these rigged jury instructions, I think they're
going to find Trump guilty for this noncrime of a
businessman settling a nuisance claim and putting it in his
private books as a legal expense in his private books.
(16:18):
I don't know what else you would call it other
than legal expense. I've been a lawyer for nearly twenty years.
Apparently I'm the felony because I've been settling these nuisance
claims for business people and businesses for nearly twenty years,
and they book it as a legal expense, and somehow
booking it in your private books was somehow a book
keeping misdemeanor related to business books, and somehow booking it
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in your books in twenty seventeen, in your private books
somehow affect it the twenty sixteen presidential election. And then
somehow that was a felony because you had a presidential
candidate conspiring with others to try to win the election,
and somehow that's a felony under this legal theory. Apparently
every presidential candidate, every candidate for office in world history
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is now apparently felons because they tried to conspire to
win the election.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
All right, so let's assume the worst. Let's assume that
what you said is right and that they're going to
convict him. I mean, they're going to put him in handcoffs,
So they're going to do the whole like Riper's Island
orange jumpsuit thing. When is it going to be an appeal?
Is it going to be an appeal before the election November?
Speaker 5 (17:24):
Do we think it's?
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Kind of an expert I had timeline for an appeal,
and I mean, talk us through how this actually looks.
Speaker 5 (17:29):
If the jury does do what you predicted they would.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Well, I would say this, at best, there might be
a hung jury. But I don't even think there's going
to be a hungury. But even if there is a
hung jury, that just means that this corrupt partisan judge
and these partisan prosecutors can just retry Trump immediately and
keep him in that courtroom for another three months instead
of the campaign trail. And so if they do fight
him guilty in this judge convicts, which I expect the
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judge to do, he could sentence Trump to prison. Now
there is a federal statute where the Secret Service is
bound to protect former presidents for the rest of their lives,
and so Judge Marchond is going to have to work
with the Secret Service to put President Trump into prison
with his Secret Service detail for the rest of Trump's life,
(18:14):
if that's where they're heading with this. But look, this
is not going to fly with the American people. And
this is where these Biden Democrats don't understand this. Trump's
already already going to win by like two points according
to current polling. If they convict him in New York
out of these bogus non crimes, then I think Trump's
going to win by like four points if they try
(18:36):
to throw Trump in prison, which I think Judge Marchon
will do because he is so conflicted and his daughter,
Lauren Machon is raising millions of dollars off of this
unprecedented criminal prosecution that her father is presiding over. If
he doesn't do this, he knows that the Biden Democrats
are going to cut off Lauren Machan as their leading
campaign consultant and fundraiser and they're going to throw her
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to the wolves. So I think that he may try
to put Trump in prison. If he does that, Trump's
gonna win by like six points or more. It's gonna
be like Nelson Mandela. But even if Trump, even if
there's judge says, you know, we're not gonna put Trump
in prison because of the logistics of the Secret Service.
We're just gonna put him in home confinements. And then
he asked to report to my New York courthouse every
(19:21):
like once a week or twice a week for drug
test and urine test and probation. They're going to try
to keep President Trump off the campaign trail for the
rest of this year.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Yeah, one under said, and that very much is one
of their lead goals all along, as you and I
both know. I mean, while Joe Biden is campaigning in Pennsylvania,
Donald Trump is confined to this core room for the
five days of the working week. So, Mike, and in
remaining time, I want to spit hears a little bit here.
Justice sam Alito, who has been in the leftist crosshairs
for a while, and now for these outrageous, these frankly,
(19:55):
just absurdly stupid stories about the flags that he was flying,
both in his Virginia own than his New Jersey Beach home.
They're very common flags. They say it's an insurrectionist symbol.
So he took the step of actually writing a formal
letter to San Jucieri Chairman Dick Durbin and the rest
of Senate Democrats explaining why he's not going to recuse.
When do you go ahead and just break that down
for us, What are your thoughts on.
Speaker 2 (20:15):
That He's absolutely right? Justice Alito should tell them to
go to hell, frankly, because he does not. He is
required not to recuse. With the lower federal courts. The
federal judges are interchangeable, and if there's an appearance of bias,
you can just swap out another judge. With Supreme Court justices,
they're not. There is a presumption that Supreme Court justices
(20:38):
do not recuse because you do not want to what
you do not want to happen. What the Senate Democrats
and other Democrats the New York Times are doing right now.
They're trying to play games right now to get Alido
to recuse because he's deciding to January sixth cases, the
Trump case on presidential immunity and the Fisher case, where
(20:58):
the Biden Justice Department used the end run obstruction of
justice statutes for corporate fraud to go after Trump and
his and their political enemies. The January sixth defendants. Justice
Alito should not recuse. His wife blew an upside down
distress American flag after one of their deranged neighbors at
(21:19):
an f Trump sign in front of a school bus,
and the neighbor called Missus Alito the sea word. They're
lucky that Missus Alito only flew the upside down distress
flag after that instead of knocking their faces with her fist.
And she also flew the Appeal to Heaven flag, the
(21:40):
George Washington Revolutionary War flag that has blown across America
for centuries, including by the city of San Francisco. Not
exactly MAGA supporters in the City of San Francisco. This
is a bogus game that the Democrats are playing, and
Jody Canter at The New York Times is a partisan
shill for bringing this bogus these bogus stories against Justice
(22:05):
Alito of Justice Alito needs to recuse Jody and Senate Democrats.
Why hasn't the bust Biden Justice Department asked for Justice
Alito's recusal and the Fisher case and the Trump case
And the answer is they know that request would be
legally frivolous and they probably get sanctioned.
Speaker 1 (22:24):
Well, there you have it, Mike Davis, appreciate your time, brother,
Thank you. Josh ert more on Law Fair and All
Things twenty twenty four campaign related coming up next for
bringing on Sean Spicer.
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Speaker 6 (23:44):
Under Trump, this kind of government will perish from the earth.
I don't mean to scare you. No, no, wait, maybe
I do mean to scare you. If Trump returns to
the White House, you can kiss these freedoms goodbye. We
all take for granted, and elections forget about it. That's over,
(24:05):
that's done. If he gets in, I can tell you
right now.
Speaker 7 (24:09):
He will never leave.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
He will never leave. You know that he will never leave.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Elections forget about it, says washed Uff former A List
actor Robert de Niro.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
But what says Sean Spicer.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Sean Spicer is the host, of course, of the Shawn
Spicer Show right here on the first TV Monday through
Friday at seven pm. Sewan, thank you so much for
joining us. As you and I both watched this this
clown car destruction from Robert de Niro and the Democrat
law Fair complex playing out outside of the courtroom of
Justice wanmer Shawn in New York City earlier this week.
(24:47):
You know, we've talked about the law Fair already on
this show. What are the politics of this? I mean,
is this actually going to work out for the Democrats?
Seems like kind of a hail Mary to me.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Oh, it's a huge Heil Mary.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
You see the guy in the back by the way, ah,
the black gentleman to over Danniro's left shoulder. He is
the constructor for the Biden campaign. This was clearly I mean,
I cannot believe the level of incompetence, the idea that
you would show up, you haven't shown up in what
five weeks, and suddenly you show up on the day
of this court hearing and make a big spectacle like this.
(25:20):
This was I mean, this was a massive unforced error,
and it proved the Trump campaign's point that this is
all political by the very nature of the campaign folks
showing up, and secondly by the fact that that you've
got the constructor for the campaign standing behind him. So
it was really I frankly, they had tried to keep
(25:42):
this notion that it was political out of the dialogue
for a while. This just literally gave the campaign on
the Trump side the perfect talking point when it needed
one desperately, just in terms of the nature and the narrative.
So I cannot believe I look here my guests on this.
By the way, there was a big political headline yesterday
(26:04):
saying that the Dems were freaking out their words, not mine,
about how this campaign is being run and the concern
that a lot of leading Democrats have about the current
poll numbers. This just gave further concern to that same
group of people.
Speaker 5 (26:20):
I wouldn't be.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
Surprised to see a shake up at the top levels
of the campaign in the next week or two. More
likely than not. What I would see as like some
kind of babysitter coming in where they say that they're
bringing in an old hand, a rama manual, if you will.
Somebody comes in and says he's going to be the
new chairman or something like that. But these guys are
making unforced errors at a critical time.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
No, they're making a ton of unforced stairs, and they're
making it right out in the open, and they are
freaking out. As the political article described in luscious and
quite livid detail. And you know, the Biden campaign is
in Philadelphia this week. They're in Pennsylvania while Donald Trump
is being confined to this core room in New York City.
So what is the place there? Are they trying just
to gin up black support in Philadelphia? They trying to
(27:03):
reassure the black demographic. I mean, when they look at
the current polls, when they look at the stunts they're
pulling this hail Mary thing with Robert de Niro, what
is their move just to try to get enthusiasmic voter
turnout from historically democratic groups like black voters, millennials, groups
like that.
Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yeah, it's twofold.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
The first is that logistically it's easy, right, I mean,
this is their go too. If they need to go somewhere,
you go to Pennsylvania. I mean you see this every week.
It's like on the way home for him when he
goes to Delaware to the beach or to his house.
So it's logistically easy. Two, it's part of what they
call the Blue Wall Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.
Speaker 5 (27:41):
They have to win.
Speaker 3 (27:43):
I mean, I don't see how there's any scenario to
get to two seventy if you don't win one of
those three if you're Biden. Right, So that's it. And
then look and then to your point about that, they
know that they are rooting support among black men in particular.
You've seen Trump at the end of the last election,
he was about eight percent. Right now he's pulling just
north of twenty percent. That's a concern from them. You
(28:04):
think about these urban areas, the states that I just
mentioned Detroit in Michigan, Milwaukee and Wisconsin in Pennsylvania, and
Pittsburgh in Pennsylvania. Just to put this in context to people,
the twenty electoral votes in Pennsylvania were won by Trump
by forty four two hundred and ninety two votes, which
is zero point seven two of a percent of margin.
(28:26):
In twenty sixteen, Biden won Pennsylvania according to the official record,
by eighty five hundred and fifty five votes. That's one
point eighty six. This is going to be a close state.
And so, as I said, the bottom line is, if
you think about that blue wall Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, well,
it's just easy, you know, to always be going there
(28:46):
because it's twenty electoral votes. That's more than Michigan's sixteen
and in Wisconsin's ten. It's the big prize and it's
just easy for them on a Friday to be like, hey,
we're on our way to the beach. Let's spring by Pennsylvania,
maybe Philly or so. That's why they're doing what they're doing.
It's a key constituency that they need and it's an
easy swing by logistically.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Well, you know, switching gears a little bit sean, but
sticking on the same overarching theme of swing states and
key demographics and everything like that. I mean, probably the
last remaining huge question when it comes to the Republican
ticket is who's the other half that ticket going to be?
And you know, this is that time of the year
where politic goes like me and you love to talk
about the veepsteaks and all of that. Who should it
be and what kind of factors should go into that
(29:29):
decision for President Trump.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
You know, it's funny you asked that. I did a
thing on my show the other day where I put
my bet into an envelope and I mailed it to
my producer in la and we will open that on
my show when he is to see if I'm right.
But I will tell you this. If I had to
give you a list right now, I would say it's
going to be it's probably Tom Cotton, jd Vance, Marco Rubio.
(29:58):
I still have a problem with Rubio and Florida. I
don't know. I hear that people are talking about ways
to get around this, but people have to remember that
Florida has thirty electoral votes. The constitution prohibits the same
the vice president and the president both getting them from
any given state, so it logistically doesn't make sense. There
are talks that potentially Rubio would resign and then move
(30:20):
out of state. Again, I think that's too complicated. I
think Trump is going to go someone that he feels
like he has a relationship with that understands the dynamic,
meaning they have to be the robin to his batman.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Yeah, it's totally right and to your point as well
as a Floridia myself, I couldn't agree with you more
strongly about Marc or Rubio. The text of the twelfth
Amendment is actually it's actually pretty clear on this one.
To be honest with you. They managed to get around
to it with Cheney in two thousand. But Cheney pretty big.
Speaker 3 (30:49):
You know, obviously you know the law really well. And
the bottom line is they didn't get around it in
twenty twenty, right, I mean Cheney just sort of knew
it and said, great, I'll move back to Wyoming. I
still own houses that But again, it's not just moving.
Remember the state that you moved to has to allow
you to become a voter quickly. Some states say that
you have to be there for months. So in the
(31:10):
case of Rubio, he would have to move back and
to somewhere and establish residency quick Again. I get it's possible,
but it's just one more dynamic and one more challenge.
In the case of Dick Cheney in two thousand, he
was obviously he'd represented Wyoming in the Congress. They still
had light land and property there. It made sense and
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no one was going to challenge it. There's a I
mean would I would be very concerned about making sure
if you're going to make a bold move like that
with a Rubio or a Byron Donald's, that you had
that thing six ways to Sunday lockdown, because the last
thing you need is a challenge when it comes to
electoral college and the thirty electoral votes that Florida would
(31:50):
be clearly in the Trump column.
Speaker 5 (31:52):
Yeah, no, I strongly agree with you, Sean.
Speaker 1 (31:54):
And for what it's worth, my own personal two cents
is I've been an outspoken advocate for JD. Vans on
those on those russ Belt blue Wall state grounds.
Speaker 5 (32:02):
That kind of is basically my argument.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
But in any event, I guess we'll see and hopefully
you're gonna, you know, open up an envelope with your
producer and hopefully you'll you'll be correct at the.
Speaker 5 (32:10):
End of the day.
Speaker 1 (32:10):
But Sean Spicer was a host of Seawan Spicer Show
right here on the first TV.
Speaker 5 (32:13):
Thanks for joining us, Sean, as always, thank you for
having me.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
Come up next, we'll talk with Todd Bensman, one of
the absolute best immigration reporters out there.
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Speaker 9 (33:30):
Camilo Montoya Galvez spoke to Homeland Security Secretary Alejandromiorcis, who
responded to the accusations of the administration encouraging migrants to
come to the US.
Speaker 4 (33:41):
That is false if we take a look at migration,
not just at our southern border, but in context, the
level of migration throughout the hemisphere is unprecedented, unprecedented.
Speaker 1 (33:56):
Do you believe a word that? Secretary my Orcus says,
I'm not sure if I do. We'll find out what
our guest thinks. So joining us now is the great
Todd Bensman Todd is a fellow at the Center for
Immigration Studies and also the author of Overrun, How Joe
Biden leaves the greatest border crisis in US history. Todd Bensman,
thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Good to be here.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Thank you. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
Of course your work has been absolutely indispensable when it
comes to all things immigration and border security related for
a very very long time now, So always love your work.
So before we get into this very interesting and eye
opening piece, who wrote the New York Post, Why do
me just get your reaction to what we just heard
from Secretary of Majorkers. I mean, do you believe anything
he's saying there about encouraging legal migration?
Speaker 8 (34:40):
Well, I believe the immigrants. I've interviewed thousands of them
now over the last three years all over Mexico and
Central America, literally thousands, And it doesn't matter what nationality
they are, or what country or where they're coming from
or anything. They always say the same thing that I
am coming now because they're letting us in. And that's it.
(35:05):
They're letting us in. They've never let us in like
this before. We sold everything we had, where beg borrowed,
stole the money, that was necessary to pay smugglers, and
we're going in. All our neighbors got in, all our
friends got in, all our relatives got in. So I'm
always going to default to the primary sources on this,
(35:25):
and that's the ones who are making the decisions to
spend the money to come, who said that they would
not have come had the border not been wide open,
had their odds of being let in, and to stay
pretty much forever forever, let's just say it that they
would have stayed home.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Yeah, and you know your work is Elsie helped to
shanny bright spotlight on this. It's been a problem for time.
I mean, Tod's been upon for about as long as
I've been following US politics. I mean, during the Trump administration,
I think we started to see a bit of a
crackdown when it comes to fraudulent assi les here. But
you certainly the situation right now under Secretary Majorcas and
President Biden is the worst that you or I have
(36:10):
probably ever seen, as probably the worst in this country's history.
But you know, you also wrote a fascinating piece of
The New York Post a little bit related. This really
got a lot of attention and well deserved attention in
social media. From what I saw, your piece of the
New York Post basically says that Bien officials are engaged
and potentially a cover up. They're essentially covering up an
attempted terror attack committed by illegal aliens here. You know,
(36:33):
why don't you give us some detail as to what
you found.
Speaker 8 (36:38):
On May third, two Jordanian illegal immigrants got in a
big box truck, you know, one of those big like
Amazon size trucks that unmarked though said that they were
Amazon deliverymen when they went to the gate of Quantico
Marine Corps base also big FBI training facility there, very
(37:02):
symbolic as a terror target, and they were put into
secondary inspection because they didn't have IDs or anything. And
when they were in secondary inspection, they hit the gas
and tried to ram through and break bust through the
court on there to reach the little village of Quantico
(37:23):
just inside the gates where who knows what they were
going to do. It sure looked, I mean, on its own,
it's terrible enough. But one of those Jordanians crossed the
border illegally, came in from Mexico. We're not sure exactly when,
but not that long ago. And was waved through and
rubber stamped in like everybody else. And if this was
(37:45):
a terror attack, then that would make this the first
attempted terror attack by a border crossing illegal immigrant from
the Middle East came in accessed the target through the border.
The problem is that the the Biden administration has now
had almost a month of questioning what was this? Was
(38:07):
there a terror motive? That's the big question. Was there
a terror motive? Second big question is what was in
the truck? Was the truck itself a weapon? What were
they going to why were they trying to? Who does that?
Who tries to vehicle ram their way into a heavily
guarded military base if not a terrorist. So, you know,
(38:30):
there's a blackout on information coming from the Biden administration.
In my column in the New York Post, you know,
I'm left We're all left to just speculate at this point,
but and to conduct analytical assessments. And my analytical assessment
is that the way the administration is behaving is all
(38:51):
but confirmation that this was a terror attack, and that
they know it was, and that they can't deny it
because they know it to be true and they don't
want to be on the record in case whatever they
get found out lying or they know it is and
they don't want to say it because Donald Trump will
use that like a giant heavy sledgehammer at the very
(39:15):
next televised debate. And so the end result is that
nobody really knows for sure, but I believe it to
be true, and I'll just say that, and I would
invite the Washington Post and the New York Times to
all come out and fact check me to death on that. Please.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Yeah, you know, Todd, it's a wonderful invitation to the
Washington Post in the New York Times.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
I'm not sure you're going to find.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
Many reporters tragically who are going to take you up
on that, although they really should, you know. I mean,
just a quick word about Quantico for those who maybe
you are less familiar. I mean, I've been to Quantico
as many Americans have. I was there to see one
of my law school buddies actually have his Marine Corps
graduation after he finished basics training. This was like six
years ago or so. It's my iconic American military facil.
(40:00):
So it really is exactly the kind of place where
you might have some miscreans and some lowblet breakers, people
who are frankly up to no good. It is an
obvious target for folks who are motivated by that sort
of thing. So, Todd, I guess you kind of answered
this question already. But I mean, nothing's going to happen here, right,
if we're being realistic, I mean, the BIME Instruation is
(40:20):
not going to do anything here. Are they basically just
hoping that people are going to forget about your story,
forget about this whole conversation. The whole thing is just
going to get swept under the rug. Is that basically?
Is that basically the legal and the political move.
Speaker 8 (40:31):
Here, I believe So. I believe that they are well
aware that the regular legacy media is not interested in
this story at all. They've shown no interest. There was
a big White House press conference just a few days
ago and Fox News's Doocey was the only one who
(40:52):
asked about this, and you can just watch the expressions
on the faces of all the other report orders, the
disinterest that nobody followed up on him on his questions,
what do you say about this Quantico base thing? And
she was like, you know, that's a law enforcement matter,
so we're not going to say anything about that. Well,
(41:15):
how about if you he said, was this a failed
terror attack? And she wouldn't say no, she wouldn't say yes,
she wouldn't say anything, and nobody else followed her up
on it, not followed him up on that question, like
what since when would something like this happen at Quantico?
And the White House Press Corps not express absolutely no
(41:37):
interest except for one guy. So I do believe that
they're counting on the sort of complicity of silence on
this issue.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
So you know, Chuck Schumer has recently resurrected his Senate
border bill after it went down in flames last time
they tried it here, and it's probably not going to
get a whole lot further this time. I mean, I'm
trying to look ahead here for those of us who
actually want the secure border, for those of us who,
you know, heaven forbid, actually desire to see a country
where Jordanian's Middle Eastern is not basically willing to get
(42:10):
to the gates of Quantico and attempt a terrorist attack.
Do we have any hope for the rest of this year, Todd?
Or is our only hope really that that Trump prevails
and then starts changing some policies come January twenty twenty five.
Speaker 8 (42:24):
I don't know. Everybody always accuses me of depressing them
on that question, and you know, I can't deny it,
but I kind of am with the latter. I think
that nothing is going to change here at all until
after November. And that goes for the Biden administration too.
The administration has got Mexico doing it's dirty work down
(42:45):
there to slow some of the flow so that it
doesn't look as bad, at least in Texas. They've got
the numbers like from fourteen thousand a day to you know,
seven thousand a day, which seems to be under the
threshold of media interest. I think the only way that
any of this is going to change is if there's
(43:05):
a new occupant of the White House, because you know,
this administration has really made a decision that they are
not going to follow any immigration law, nor are they
going to use any of the readily available executive authorities
that Donald Trump used to shut the whole thing down,
(43:27):
Like you know, overnight, they opened up the spigot. They
they made it so that probably close to one hundred
percent of everybody who reaches the southern border is allowed
in and to stay in for years, if not forever.
That's simply unprecedented that you have that much of a
(43:50):
guarantee of entering and staying in this country. I mean
Majorcus himself recently said, yeah, about eighty five percent of
everybody who reaches the order more than he said, more
than eighty five percent of everybody who reaches the border.
Now you know we're stamping them in. That's unprecedented. I mean,
if I had those odds at the table games in Vegas, man,
(44:14):
I'd have my own TETs up out there looking, you know,
and I'll waiting for my turn to get at one
of those card games.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
Yeah, you and me both, brother, But look, Todd, fantastic
work as always. You really are one of the indispensable
journalists and researchers and investigative reporters out there when it
comes to this issue. Thank you for this article on
the Post, and thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 8 (44:35):
Thank you appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (44:37):
Coming up next, it's lighting the mood. Well, it's time
to lighten the mood. And here is something that I
know very much lightened my mood. You know, they say
(45:12):
that God has a sense of humor, right, They say
that man plans, but God will lasts. And every so
often you see a clip like this that really just
reassures you of that. I mean, you have people there
that are supporting this US recognized foreign terrorist organization, openly
clamoring for more jihadism, for more political Islam, for more
murderous barbaric medieval Islamist savagery, going ahead and burning the
(45:35):
flag of our Israeli allies, and you know what, they're
gonna get burned too. Honestly, personally, when I see this clip,
the only thing that I think of is I'm only
upset they think get burned even harder could have taken
a pretty big bright burned to the face. Maybe that
would have been some just come uppance for you filthy,
dirty terrorst supporting savages. In the meantime, like I said,
you know, you gotta look for the little things, right,
(45:57):
God shows himself in very mysterious ways. We kind of
have to think maybe maybe maybe that's what's going on here.
That's our show, guys. Once again, Josh Hammer been filling
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