November 9, 2024 • 42 mins
(Full Show) Republican voters gave the GOP a mandate at the ballot box, electing them to office in a red wave. What are they going to do with their newfound power? Jesse Kelly has a list of priorities. He will talk to a handful of guests about these priorities as well. Hear from Julio Rosas, Victor Avila, Mike Davis and Carol Roth.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Okay, so we have the White House, we have the Senate,
we have the House of Representatives. So what are we
going to do now? I know this is the time
of celebration of feeling good, But now the work begins,
doesn't it. This allowed us to start the work. That's
what it did. I don't want to be I don't
want to be the Debbie down or we got to
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get back in the weight room. But it's time to
get back in the weight room. What do we need
to work on? First, first, and foremost of border. It's
no debate. I remember we've talked about this many times before,
and we'll get to the debt in a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But an unending mass immigration, legal and illegal will end
a nation of any size, any size. No country can
withstand unending numbers of people pouring into it from poor,
crime ridden third world dumps.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's not how it works throughout history. Every time it's happened,
the country has collapsed. It's not enough to simply secure
the border. We have to begin deporting people and deporting
them in mass. I like the kind of Tom Holman's jib.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We have seen one estimate that says it would cost
eighty eight billion dollars to deport a million people a year.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know if that's accurate or not.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Is that what American taxpayers should expect?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What price do you put on a national security? Is
it worth it?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without
separating families?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Of course, families can be deported together.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Did that make you square them in your chair? Hope not,
because that's what it's going to take. There is no polite, nice,
empathetic way to round up fifteen to twenty million people.
Apprehend them. You have to locate them, You have to
apprehend them, and then you have to remove them from
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your country. And it cannot be done politely. There will
be tears, people will get hurt. Undoubtedly, that's how it goes.
Are you mentally ready for that? It's a must, it
must happen. And are we ready for pushback like you've
never seen before? Because we've had this talk before. Illegal
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immigration and mass is not a side issue for communists.
It is maybe the central part of their plan. They
must replace patriotic citizens with foreigners who can be bought
for a visa card. It is a central part of
their plan. Massachusetts governors already say, and don't expect any
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help from us.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
If the Trump administration requests it, would the Massachusetts State
Police assist in mass deportations?
Speaker 7 (03:09):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think that the key here is that, you know,
every tool in the toolbox is going to be used
to protect our citizens, to protect our residents, and protect
our states, and certainly to hold the line on democracy
and the rule of law as a basic principle.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Right, protect our citizens and protect our residents. You know
what she said again, the communists, to the communists, a
wide open border, filling up your country with murderers and
rapists is not a thing he does on the side.
It's everything to him. How else could he collapse this country?
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He's trying to collapse. So we have to be ready
for that. And speaking of getting ready, speaking of getting
ready about things or to do things that make us uncomfortable.
Priority number two government people have to go to prison.
I've said it many, many, many, many many times before,
but I'm going to say it again. There are little
signs and symbols, you know, you know, there are signs
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and symbols when you're getting in better shape, you're not
as out of breath anymore that there are signs. The
signs that we are on the right track to fixing
this horribly corrupt and broken country will be government people
going to prison, not just fired, not just blasted in
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the news. No, no, no arrests, trials, prison. These people
are criminals. It's not that we want to just arrest
people for being Democrats, of course not. They have committed
crimes against their country and they must be arrested for
those crimes. Remember when Amy McCabe said this.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
He runs the risk of really dismantling and greatly incapacitating
the Department of Justice and the FBI. I have a
lot of conversations with former colleagues, people who are or
were in the intelligence and law enforcement community and may
have worked in the Obama administration other places, and you know,
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people are really trying to assess, like what is life
going to be like if Donald Trump wins a second term?
And on a very personal level, I mean, these are
tortuous discussions with their family members about whether or not
they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally
and illegally detained. I mean people are actually worried about
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being thrown in jail or grabbed in some sort of
extra judicial detention.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, they should be worried about being thrown in jail.
Many of them should be arrested and put on trial,
given a fair trial, and put in jail. And everyone
who's concerned about that should leave the country with their families. Goodbye,
too bad, so sad, We'll see you later. And speaking
of the FBI, the organization itself shouldn't exist anymore. I'm
not naive enough to think that's something that's going to
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be done by Donald Trump and the Republicans in the
next four years. But I'll tell you, cutting out huge
portions of the government must happen. It must. Though they're
not going to eliminate the FBI like you want, like Iowa,
but huge parts of the government have to go. And
when I hear things like this about the Department of Education,
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sounds good to me.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I'm going to close the Department of Education and move
education back to the States, and we're.
Speaker 9 (06:30):
Going to do it fast.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Good. They have to go. We can't. We can't do
this thing where we take a bunch of people in
this horrible department, will make it the education Department. We
take these horrible commies and we kick them out because
we got the presidency and we replace them with our people,
but we leave the department there because what will happen
is eventually shocking, is it sounds Democrats will win another
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election and then they're going to take our people and
remove them, but put their people right back in and
go back to abusing the country. The department itself has
to be removed. And these are the things that make
people uncomfortable. And speaking of making people uncomfortable, there's nothing
that people hate more than spending cuts. This is one
of those things we all lie to ourselves about, Yeah,
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they need to cut spending, they need to cut spending.
And then you show people the federal budget, you say
you want to cut this, this, and this, like the
big parts of it that have to be cut to
save the country, and that's when they start, well, I
mean maybe not that, but spending has to be cut.
There's been a lot of talk, serious talk about bringing
in Elon Musk, and yes, this has to happen.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
All government spending is taxation.
Speaker 10 (07:42):
So whether it's it's direct taxation or all govern spending,
it either becomes inflation or it's a direct taxation.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Your money is being wasted, and the.
Speaker 10 (07:51):
Department of Government Divisioncy is gonna fix that.
Speaker 9 (07:58):
We're gonna get the government up.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
You're back and out of your pocketbook.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It has to happen, and spending cuts are uncomfortable. Remember
when Elon Musk bought Twitter, which he renamed x which
is kind of weird. Remember when he bought Twitter, he
spent his time firing people. You need to go, and
you need to go, and you need to go and online.
It was so sad.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh my gosh, I said said about it a job.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Government employees must be fired by the thousand, and the
debt must be cut. We can't have thirty five trillion
in debt. It's going to be uncomfortable, but it has
to happen. And speaking of Elon Musk, he's been hot
on something else. Even though this isn't the Elon Musk show.
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The birth rate families. This is not a small thing.
And no, I don't want the federal government to get
too involved and families, but as a country, we are
losing our nuclear families for a variety of reasons. We're
losing nuclear families. Young men are not marrying young women
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and staying married and making babies. And I know this
gets really uncomfortable because everyone has a different walk in life,
and maybe that wasn't your walk in life. But the
nuclear family is the building block of every country, not
just ours, every country. A country made up of strong
nuclear families will be strong, and a country where nuclear
families have been shattered will be weak, and it will
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blow with the wind. And that's where we are right now.
Maybe that looks like tax incentives, Maybe it just looks
like we're talking about it being bold about cultural issues
like that, but this is where we have to go
to save the country. All right, All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am right, have a great
show for you. Many of the issues start with the deportations.
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We'll do those decks, and on.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Day one we will begin the largest domestic deportation operation
in American history.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm excited. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very, very excited
for this, not because of the ugliness it's going to
take to get it done, but because of the necessity
of it. And it doesn't sound like they're backing off
of that. So joining me now to talk about it
a couple people who know quite a bit. Victor Avila
is a retired special agent with ICE, so he probably
knows a little bit of something about it, and of
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course Julio Rosauce, national correspondent with The Blaze and friend
of the show. Okay, first, Victor, let's begin here. Obviously,
locating people, apprehending people, and removing people from anywhere. It's
not a pretty nice process. It can't be by its
very nature. What does it look like? You were a
nice I've ever been a nice? What does it look like?
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How does this get done?
Speaker 10 (11:11):
It's gonna be methodical, it's gonna it's gonna be cumbersome.
And we know where these people are at a lot
of times, a lot of people say you're not.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
Gonna be able to find them. We will be able
to find them.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
And I tell people there's different categories of illegals, obviously,
and we've got to be cognizant of that. Obviously, we're
going after the really bad ones right now. There's you know,
the Venezuela and Standarawa, a lot of these illegals that
came in just in the last four years, plus the
ones that already have been ordered deported. It's over a
million illegals walking around with a deportation order in their pocket.
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So we already know where they're at, and we're gonna
need a lot of cooperation here from the state and locals.
A lot of things that we could there's a lot
of things that we could do here, and we.
Speaker 9 (11:57):
Were gonna do all of them and explore all of them.
Speaker 10 (11:59):
And one of those is to deputize a lot of
the state and locals. HSI, with the old US Customs Authority,
has the authority to deputize state and locals. We do
it a lot with our Task force officers that come
and work in our groups, and so giving them that
authority will help and rounding up because the state of
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locals know exactly where they're at. I can tell you
in my hometown where we could go to the areas
and exactly in every state. We're going to be able
to do that and start building up these these facilities.
Remember all these facilities that we build for the illegals
to come in and be processed, Well, now we're going
to use them.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
But it's going to be the other way around.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
Just it's going to be to be processing processing them
on the way out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Gosh, I may just have to sit back and just
cheer for a couple of minutes. At the thought of
a country actually preserving and protecting its borders. Hulo. By
the way, why do we even need these mass deportations.
Aren't all these people here just picking strawberries?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Well, no, that's funny because we actually do have a
workers program where, you know, like Yuma, for example, they
do use Mexicans who legally enter the country to work
on the farms and then they go back to Mexico
once the season's over. So I mean, it's very it's
very insulting to them because obviously they're not illegal. But
the reason, I mean, the reason why we we we
have this problem is because, I mean, it was day one.
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I mean, I know, I know people like saying the
day one and it, but it's so true. And so
this has been a day that a lot that I know,
a lot of border patrol agents, a lot of people
in the border communities of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California
have been waiting for it because, you know, whenever there's
a congressional delegation, I mean, that's basically what the answer was, like, Well,
we gotta wait for the election. We gotta you know,
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we gotta you know, hope that we can get Trump
back into office in order for this to be fixed,
because the acute problem, this current problem is coming from
the executive branch, right.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Obviously there is the legislative aspect as well.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
But to address the current issues that we're facing right now,
that can be solved, you know, single handedly by the
incoming Trump administration. And so the thing is now is
to make sure that that does.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Have followed through.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
And I can tell you, I mean, you have people
like Tom Homan, you have people like Steven Miller that
are going to be part of the you know, the
new Trump administration that will I mean, I've known Tom
for years now.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And he is I mean, he's he's just been a
pit bull chained up, we are ready to go. And
so he's going to have that. He's gonna be unleashed
on January twentieth.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So I know, I know there's some people who are
concerned like, oh, well, Trump's not going to do it.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You know, I'm on conservatives right because like a Trump's
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
He's that I have.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I think it is going to happen just because the
people that are going to be staffing these positions are
going to make sure that this campaign promise is going
to be carried out, and if it's not carried out,
that's a very big detriment because the American people want this.
I mean, the American people voted for this, and right,
this is the popular vote. He has the mandates. So yes,
there's gonna be the media backlash. They're gonna be leftist backlash,
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but it doesn't represent what Americans want.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Victor. Is there anything Trump and Ice and you guys
can do about the places that aren't Texas? You know,
I know you mentioned logistically deputizing. Look, you're not gonna
have trouble deputies in the Texas Rangers or Galveston County
Sheriff's Department to participate. It's not gonna be in issue here.
But we already had the Massachusetts governor to come out
and say, well, no, you can't do that here. We
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know how California is going to handle it. How does
that work with these blue cities and states that are
obviously going to declare themselves to be sanctuaries and no,
you can't touch our illegals. Can you do anything there?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (15:40):
In this funny with these sanctuary cities and policies, A
lot of time it's not the actual police, it's the mayors.
It's the these county commissioners dictating to the sheriffs and
chiefs the police what they can and cannot do. Several things.
To eighty seven g's gonna come back.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
If you're not familiar with.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
TO eighty seven G, this law that will give the
state of locals the authority to do it. And it's
going to be it's gonna be about sanctions. It's going
to be about cutting them off financially. And Trump has
already said it. I don't doubt he'll do it in
a minute and cut them off. A lot of the
county jails around the country are subsidized by federal monies,
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and so you cut that off, they're not going to
be able to function.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
We're gonna, I'll put it to you this way.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
We're going to incentivize them very very strongly to participate
with ICE and there are other programs. By the way, Jesse,
we used to have back then it was I ins.
But even with ICE ro enforcement removal operations, an actual
deportation officer inside the county jails when these illegals would
get arrested, immediately you get flagged immediately you place the detainer.
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But now the detainer will be honored. The detainer will
be respected and executed if forever reason that person, an
illegal person, is released. Something really quick as well that
we have to talk about here is Mexico. Mexico, we
got issues over there. We got a new president over
there as a full communist. She won't even call a
President Trump to acknowledge him as a new president of
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the United States president elect. So we have issues there.
Mexico has to be dealt with very, very seriously. The
cartels and the designation of the cartels as foreign terrorist
organization is all part of.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
This whole deal.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
It's going to be it's going to be a little
bit complicated, it's going to be a lot, but we're
going to be doing it simultaneously, and you're going to
immediately see some big changes border patrol and all those
you're going to see them right away because at the
border it's going to change overnight on January twenty and twenty.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
First it's going to change, but then.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
You're going to start seeing it a little bit slow,
like what's happening with the deportations.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I'm going to tell you right now, it's going to
be happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 10 (17:45):
But when people are going to start realizing is that
their towns are going to start becoming safer. It's all
about public safety and national security. And when they start
seeing that now they could actually go to the park
that they couldn't go to before, that their child can
write the bike where they couldn't write it intil Rio,
Texas and those type of changes, then people are going
to realize it's happening, and it's going to happen one
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at a time, and it's going to be a million
first and another million. But we have to hold these
countries accountable, not just Mexico, Central America and the rest
of the world that have allowed their people to come
into ours illegally.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Ulio, how do we to what Victor just said, the
new president of Mexico is just an unmitigated freaking disaster.
Those four people in that country can never seem to
buy a decent government. So how do we see how
do we take on the cartels without the cooperation I
forget about without the cooperation with the opposition of Mexico's president.
This presents a problem. I know we can do it.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
How do we do that well?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It's through trade. I mean, this is what Trump did
the first time around. I mean when the migrant care.
The whole reason why Mexico reorganized its National Guard to
actually use to be used to stop the migrant caravans
is because Trump threatened them with terrists that hey, we're
gonna we're gonna put you know, we're gonna we're gonna
text everything.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
We're an to tax everything that's going through the border.
And so that's our leverage.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And that's a leverage that the Biden administration never used.
They they just said, Mexico, you do whatever you want,
until it started to get politically inconvenient, and so then
they started doing this, you know, this minimal pressures like hey,
can you guys, would you mind you know it's not
making it, you know, can you can.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
You spread them out a little bit, not having go
in one place.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Can you just spread them out a little bit or
doesn't look as bad and you just do some interior
enforcement operations just until the election. That's basically what their
plan was. So then you know, then kind of going
back to business as usual. But you're right, so the
United States has we not to sound too full of ourselves,
but in this relationship.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
We're the top dog, right, We're the top dog in
this relationship, and when you act like it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
And again, I think with the people that the new
Trump administration will have, I think they're going to use
that tool in that toolbox to say Mexico, you know,
play times over, you got you know there. They have
that huge money incentive to allow this to happen, So
we got to cut that off as well. And it's
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just but I just really want to emphasize this is
that this was such a huge disaster and that's why
Harris lost. I mean people, you know, before twenty twenty one,
people had no idea what nande adagua was. And now
that is a common word that people know from Texas
all the way to New York. Why because they opened
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the border they said come on in, and people American
citizens are dead as a result of that. And that
is so sickening and that is why it's such a
relief that this is now finally going to be solved.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Again, there is larger.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Issues when it comes to immigration that that do need
to be addressed, but the acute problem, the most stark
issues of this problem. You know, hopefully by January you know,
starting January twenty will be fixed. And it's just it's
a vindication because people were saying you're racist for being
concerned about the border. White scare it brown people. It's like, no, Latinos,
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we're the primary victims of this.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Are they racists?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Absolutely not victimized Latinos.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
And then they only started to become a problem when
they started to affect white people. And again that's not
to play into the left, you know, racial game, but
that's how you got it, that's how you got.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
To present it to them.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Right, we're all Americans, we all deserve to be safe,
and this is what needs to be done.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And America said, yes, we're not going to do with
this anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And we are the top dog. That's a good way
to put it, Julio. We are the Marines, they are
every other lesser branch. Thank you so much. Happy birthday,
my brother said for five. Thank you boys. All right,
let's talk about the economy next. And after the greatest
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political comeback in American history, we're gonna leave the greatest
economic come back in American history under Donald Trump's leadership. Okay,
sounds good, I'm all on board for it. And Lord
knows we need it because we have got to grow
our way out of this freaking disaster we're in. But
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can we what is realistic what is not? We know
Carol will give it to as straight as she always does.
Joining me now, the great Carol. We're author of the book,
several books actually, which are all wonderful, but you will
own nothing. Highly recommend it, Okay, Carol. Obviously the economy
will get better under these two under Trump and the
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GOP and fewer regulations, and just on energy alone, because
there's such a lot of money waiting there to be
spread around, so it will get better. How much better
can it get? They can't fix everything that's not realistic.
How much better can it get? All?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Right?
Speaker 11 (22:58):
So, first of all, this is our first time I'm
coming together since the election, and we have not taken
a collective victory lab We have not you know, bathed
in the optimism. So this will probably be my most
optimistic time with you. And I'm sure as time goes
on this will kind of tail off. But I'm in
this moment of optimism because I do think that sentiment
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is very self fulfilling. You know, if you are a
business or an individual, that wants to, you know, do
something to make an investment, like you're not going to
do that under Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. But now
when these shackles have been you've been freed from them,
you have the feeling that you can go ahead and
make these types of investments and those are the things
that are going to grow. So right now, I'm just
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going to bathe in the sense of optimism, and I
do think that growth is the key here and some
of the areas that are really going to help with
that is one regulation. You know that the Biden Harris
administration on a small business alone one point seven trillion
dollar regulatory burden. So Donald Trump's going to walk that back.
He's going to do things like put back flexible work.
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You know, he was pro independent contractor and gig worker.
That's great for those people and for small business. He's
going to create some certainty around longer term tax cuts.
So all of these things can really help us to grow.
And I do feel good that he has people around
him this time that are more entrepreneurial.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
The Viveks, the the Elon.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Musks, you know, these are the kinds of people that
can show that path of growth and sort of balance
that against any type of spending cuts that we're going
to do. Now, does this mean that you're going to
all of a sudden see prices drop back to the
levels of ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
I think the path forward is through growth and then
making sure that wages across the board do really catch
up and so you know things are not You're not
going to see those prices drop down, but if your
purchasing power can help catch up, that would be very helpful.
It is a very delicate needle to thread, Jessie, and
I'm sure we'll be talking about this a lot. So
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I'm not promising that you're not getting more inflation, and
I'm not promising that everything is going to.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Be great forever.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
But there is at least some semblance of a path
that we need to begin to walk down.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, walk me through the threading of that needle, Carol,
or why is it a delicate needle? I guess is
the way I want to put this, as you just
laid out, blow up the energy industry in a good way, sorry,
blow it up in a good way. Deregulate the economy.
We're going to get growth that seems it doesn't seem
delicate at all. It seems fairly straightforward. I know what
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you're talking about, but please explain why is this a
delicate needle to thread at all?
Speaker 11 (25:42):
Well, I love the fact that I've taught you so
much over the years that you actually know what I'm
talking about now, because I remember when we started, you
had no idea what I was talking about. So let's
just take a moment to celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
As hard, I still don't up.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
But the reality is we're in a different situation because
of our fiscal foundation. If you think back to the
eighties and what they had to contend with, they had
thirty percent ish debt to GDP. Right now, we have
more than one hundred and twenty percent debt to GDP.
We're running deficits that are double the historic average, and
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we're not in an offensive war or anything that's an
emergency situation right now. So that limits the options that
we have because if we really increase how much debt
to GDP we have, or we increase the deficits to GDP,
we're going to end up in a sovereign debt crisis,
and that's very wonky. And we could talk about that
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another day, But just if you believe me on that,
the fact of the matter is that we have to
make sure when we make these cuts to government that
it's done so with the growth alongside of it. Otherwise
you end up shrinking the GDP, you end up shrinking
the tax collections, and that actually ends up expanding the deficit,
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which is something we don't want to see. So we
really need torategic thinkers in there. We're going to understand.
We can't just go in with the hatchet we would
all love to take to the government on day one
without these the delicate modeling out of how we're going
to have the growth exceed what we're doing on the
cutting side. So it has to be done in a
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very methodical manner, and if it's not done in the
right manner, then it could have adverse consequences, one of
those no good deed it becomes or goes unpunished types
of situations.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Carol Trump loves tariffs. He loves to talk about them.
He's very much more of a a Teddy Roosevelt type Republican.
It's not been the norm in GOP circles, but Trump
kind of has brought that back. People have a vague
understanding of what tariffs are. But is this a good
idea a complete disaster? He loves that. He talks about
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it a lot, and he means it. He's been talking
about it since long before he got into politics. What's
the deal with tariffs?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
So I am a centrist on tariffs.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
I think that they're There are some places where where
there are businesses who don't have the ability to make
their products in the United States. There isn't the know how,
The cost would be absolutely prohibitive, and to put tariffs
on those companies will actually put them out of business. However,
there are places where not only do we have a
lot of options, but maybe it's critical to our national security.
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This is one of those things we've learned during COVID
is how much of the supply chain is sitting in
other countries and could absolutely crip us. And for those countries,
we do want types of situations. We do want to
incentivize companies to be making those products here in the US.
So I think again, a thoughtful strategic approach needs to
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be taken. The other issue with tariffs, just like everything else,
is math and logic. It's really lovely to say we'll
just go and throw a tariff onto everything. But we
have to remember that seventy percent of our economy is service.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Based, it's not goods based.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
And people will say, well, Carol, that's the whole point
to bring manufacturing back, But we don't have the lowest
cost of energy. We certainly don't have the lowest cost
of labor. The reality is we're not going to be
able to grow manufacturing to a point anytime in the
near future where tariffs are going to be able to sustain,
you know, the government that we have, or even one
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that we shrink down slightly. So again, a thoughtful strategic approach.
There are going to be places where it makes sense.
But does this happen across the board. No, And again
we're turning around a huge ship here, Jesse. So this
is the stuff that is going to you know, we're
gonna have to do it one step at a time.
It's you know, how do you eat an ell of
it elephants? You eat it one bite at a time.
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You can't just try to put the whole thing in
your mouth. So I think that's what people are going
to have to understand, is that there does need to
be a thoughtful approach, and this is going to have
some time. We just need to be moving that in
the right direction to start making that progress.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, it's a delicate process. Can picture yourself guiding Whoopy
Goldberg hambered out of a bar into her car. That's
kind of what we're left dealing with here. Kirol Rock,
you are the best. Come back and join us soon.
I appreciate you. All right, Mike Davis is going to
be a bulldog, has been a bulldog for Donald Trump.
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What are his plans for the deep state? Let's talk
about that next.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I will immediately reissue my twenty twenty executive Order restoring
the President's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats, and I will
wield that power very aggressively. Second, we will clean out
all of the corrupt actors in our national security and
intelligence apparatus. We will totally reform Pfizer courts, which are
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so corrupt that the judges seemingly do not care when
they are to in warrant applications.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Man, I don't even know if Mike and I need
to talk. Maybe we should just play that on a
loop over and over and over again. I can just
sit and watch it and just drink it all in
joining me now. Mike Davis, founder of the Article three Project. Mike,
it sounds really good. And since Trump's selection, they haven't
backed off of that. You haven't backed off of that
kind of talk. It hasn't been a you know, well,
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I guess never mind, let's get along. It looks to
be all gas, no breaks right now and getting these
criminals out of our government, is it? It seems that way.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I am very happy that President Trump is going to
fulfill his campaign promise to reform or intel agencies in
justice system. They have been politicized and weaponized, going all
the way back to Crossfire Hurricane against President Trump Russian collusion.
They've gone after Trump, his top aids Steve Bannon and
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Peter Davarrow, who they put in prison his supporters on
January sixth, though they politically persecuted according to the Supreme
Courts Fisher decision. And June they went after parents outraged
by chaos and schools and the resulting rapes in high
school bathrooms. They went after pro life Christians, including putting
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a pro life Christian in prison for seventy five years
for praying at an abortion clinic while they gave amnesty
to Joe Biden, Biden family, blm Antifajamas, abortion industry activist,
trans terrorist.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
We need to fix this, Mike. How can we fix it?
I believe I'm well aware of what you and I
want done. You know what we would like done. I
want government people in handcuffs. I don't say that to
throw bombs. If you've committed crimes, especially using your power
in government to commit these crimes, you should go away.
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You should be in prison longer than a pro lifer
who was praying. But setting that aside, I want to
do whatever is realistic, what can realistically be done to
clean them out. Firings are arrests even possible.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Look, I think President Trump needs to appoint a very
strong attorney general. He needs to appoint a very strong
deputy attorney general, FBI director, White House Council D and
I look, he has looked. President Trump was a political
novice when he ran the first time. He had never
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run for office, he had never been in office. He
has absolutely learned his mistakes from his first term. He's
publicly said that he's not gonna he's not gonna get
duped again by Russian collusion and the other nonsense that
the deep state threw at him the first time, and
he I think he's been very clear that in his
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public statements that he understands we have to fix this.
We are going to destroy our country if we have
a politicized and weaponized justice system and intel agencies. This
has to get fixed. And I'm very pleased that was
one of his first public pronouncements as the president elect.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Missa James made a public statement the other day, and
I think maybe I misinterpreted it initially when I first
heard Lea Tisia James. I'll play it in a second.
I know you've already seen it, Mike. When I first
heard her say this, I took this as being an
offensive thing. We're going to resist, We're going to do
this or that. But more than I think about it,
and I know about the crimes she's committed. Maybe she's
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talking about playing defense here here was with Tisha James.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
We did not expect this result, but we are prepared
to respond to this result. And my office has been
preparing for several months because we've been here before. We
face this challenge before, and we use the rule of
law to fight back, and we are prepared to fight
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back once again, because as the attorney general of this
great is my job to protect and defend the rights
of New Yorkers and the rule of law, and I
will not shrink from that responsibility.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Micah were looking at an offensive or defensive statement. Should
she be worried?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
What New York Attorney General Tis James just said there
is absolutely outrageous. She campaigns for attorney general on getting Trump.
She politicized and weaponized her office to go after Trump
for the non fraud of Trump paying back sophisticated Wall
Street banks in full on time as agreed with interest.
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She's part of the Democrat lawfare, an election interference campaign
against President Trump. Look, I'm not going into the Trump administration.
I'm going to be continuing to support Trump from the
Article three projects.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But I really hope that whoever.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Trump picks as as an attorney general will hold her
accountable for what she has done with this politicized and
weaponized justice system against her political enemies. This is a
conspiracy against rights under eighteen USC. Section two forty one.
It's outrageous and she needs to back off.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, let's talk about the judges. That is one thing
that was lasting and really, really, really good from the
first President Trump term. Obviously, you're never going to nail
at one hundred percent on Skota's Kavanaugh. But setting that aside,
we have a bunch more local judges that Trump will
be putting into place. How does this look, Mike? How
do you vet these people to make sure you don't
get some dirty snakes in there? Look?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
President Trump's biggest and most consequential accomplishment of his first
term was the transformation of the federal judiciary to the
first constitutionalist majority in ninety years, including three appointments to
the Supreme Court. They'll disappoint us from time to time,
but overall they are It's a very good Supreme Court,
and it's getting better and better by the term. I
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think President Trump will build on that in his second
term with even more bold, even more fearless judges. Don't
we have a much better Senate this time with fifty
three It looks like Republican senators. We don't have so
many squishes this time. And frankly, when I was the
Chief counsel for nominations the first time, we were able
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to break through so much Democratic obstruction that we set
up an assembly line to make it much easier for
President Trump to confirm his judicial and executive branch nominees
this time.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
He's ready to go on day one the Supreme Court.
Are we looking at any can you see on the
horizon over the next four years, any of these justices retiring?
And let me ask a question that is uncomfortable, but
it's a very valid question. Clarence Thomas, who I freaking love. Honestly,
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everyone who's decent on the right loves Clarence Thomas. Is
it time for him him to maybe retire?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Look, when these justices have lifetime tenure, they're going to
go when they want to go. I would just I've
said this publicly to these judges on the federal bench.
The stars are aligned right now. We have President Trump
back in office. He's proven that he is he's he
can appoint very good judges. We have a much stronger
Republican Senate this time than we even did the first time.
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So if Republican judges are looking for like minded successors,
people who will carry the torch for them, younger, more bold,
more fearless judges, now is the time to consider stepping down.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
But you're not going to tell a federal judge to leave.
They're going to leave on their own time.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I think if I were Justice Alito, I think I
would get out quickly. I think he's accomplished what he
wants to accomplish. But you know, maybe Justice Thomas has
some more. He'll step down when it's appropriate for him,
when it's appropriate for the country.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He'll do the right thing. And I'm not worried about it. Yeah,
I know the man is the patriot of patriots. I'm
certainly not worried about his heart or his motivation at all.
I'm just thinking about the state of that court. All right. Finally, pardons,
these are things that usually come at the end of
a presidential term. But you've already mentioned people rotting in
prison January sixers me, Maz, there are people who don't
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need to do another four years in prison until the
end of Trump's term. That's politically, it could be political
capital that is limited to start pardoning people. How does
that look, Mike.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Like I said, I'm not going into the administration, but
I would strongly advise President Trump's White House counsel and
as an Attorney general to pardon these Almost all of
the January sixth defenders, the Supreme Court made very clear
in the Fisher decision that they were politically persecuted. For
the worst offenders, you commute their sentences. There's nothing that
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happened on January sixth that calls for a twenty two
your prison sentence. That is ridiculous, especially considering the Biden
Kamala Justice Department gave amnesty to the much more deadly
and destructive BLM and Antifa and hamas writers and so
I hope that's a high priority and I'll certainly make
that a high priority advocating for their partner and commutations
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at the Article three project.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Mike, I appreciate it, Thank you, brother. I'm hopeful, and
the more I hear, the more hopeful I get. We'll
see how it goes. Final thoughts. Thanks. Now, the work
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begins and there's a ton of work to do. The
bad news is there's a ton of work to do.
But the good news is there's a ton of work
to do. What does that mean, Well, just tackle a
new thing all the time. There's always something new that
Republicans at Donald Trump, his administration, hopefully the House, hopefully
the Senate. There's a bunch to do, and we have
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to get going. What we have to remember is that
we have a role to play in all this too.
You and I do believe it or not. You may
feel like you're helpless, but that you're not public backing.
Remember politicians, they're mostly followers, they're not leaders, and even
the ones who are leaders, they need our help. So
when the propaganda campaigns begin, and many of them have
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already begun, Oh don't deport my housemaid. When these things begin,
you are going to have to steal yourself and be ready,
and you're going to have to stop them from using
your values against you. That is the communists plan for
the next four years. As soon as they lose power,
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they try to use your values against you. Don't you
want to be nice? Aren't you empathetic? That isn't what
Jesus would want. You're gonna get a lot of that,
So get ready, vast deport cut spending. Let's get this
government in order and get everything back on track, and maybe,
just maybe we can do a whole lot of good
in the next four years and try to save this place.
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All right, all right, we'll do it again.
Okay, so we have the White House, we have the Senate,
we have the House of Representatives. So what are we
going to do now? I know this is the time
of celebration of feeling good, But now the work begins,
doesn't it. This allowed us to start the work. That's
what it did. I don't want to be I don't
want to be the Debbie down or we got to
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get back in the weight room. But it's time to
get back in the weight room. What do we need
to work on? First, first, and foremost of border. It's
no debate. I remember we've talked about this many times before,
and we'll get to the debt in a few minutes.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
But an unending mass immigration, legal and illegal will end
a nation of any size, any size. No country can
withstand unending numbers of people pouring into it from poor,
crime ridden third world dumps.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
That's not how it works throughout history. Every time it's happened,
the country has collapsed. It's not enough to simply secure
the border. We have to begin deporting people and deporting
them in mass. I like the kind of Tom Holman's jib.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We have seen one estimate that says it would cost
eighty eight billion dollars to deport a million people a year.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
I don't know if that's accurate or not.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
Is that what American taxpayers should expect?
Speaker 1 (01:35):
What price do you put on a national security? Is
it worth it?
Speaker 4 (01:37):
Is there a way to carry out mass deportation without
separating families?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Of course, families can be deported together.
Speaker 1 (01:51):
Did that make you square them in your chair? Hope not,
because that's what it's going to take. There is no polite, nice,
empathetic way to round up fifteen to twenty million people.
Apprehend them. You have to locate them, You have to
apprehend them, and then you have to remove them from
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your country. And it cannot be done politely. There will
be tears, people will get hurt. Undoubtedly, that's how it goes.
Are you mentally ready for that? It's a must, it
must happen. And are we ready for pushback like you've
never seen before? Because we've had this talk before. Illegal
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immigration and mass is not a side issue for communists.
It is maybe the central part of their plan. They
must replace patriotic citizens with foreigners who can be bought
for a visa card. It is a central part of
their plan. Massachusetts governors already say, and don't expect any
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help from us.
Speaker 6 (02:59):
If the Trump administration requests it, would the Massachusetts State
Police assist in mass deportations?
Speaker 7 (03:09):
No, absolutely not.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
I think that the key here is that, you know,
every tool in the toolbox is going to be used
to protect our citizens, to protect our residents, and protect
our states, and certainly to hold the line on democracy
and the rule of law as a basic principle.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Right, protect our citizens and protect our residents. You know
what she said again, the communists, to the communists, a
wide open border, filling up your country with murderers and
rapists is not a thing he does on the side.
It's everything to him. How else could he collapse this country?
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He's trying to collapse. So we have to be ready
for that. And speaking of getting ready, speaking of getting
ready about things or to do things that make us uncomfortable.
Priority number two government people have to go to prison.
I've said it many, many, many, many many times before,
but I'm going to say it again. There are little
signs and symbols, you know, you know, there are signs
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and symbols when you're getting in better shape, you're not
as out of breath anymore that there are signs. The
signs that we are on the right track to fixing
this horribly corrupt and broken country will be government people
going to prison, not just fired, not just blasted in
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the news. No, no, no arrests, trials, prison. These people
are criminals. It's not that we want to just arrest
people for being Democrats, of course not. They have committed
crimes against their country and they must be arrested for
those crimes. Remember when Amy McCabe said this.
Speaker 8 (04:49):
He runs the risk of really dismantling and greatly incapacitating
the Department of Justice and the FBI. I have a
lot of conversations with former colleagues, people who are or
were in the intelligence and law enforcement community and may
have worked in the Obama administration other places, and you know,
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people are really trying to assess, like what is life
going to be like if Donald Trump wins a second term?
And on a very personal level, I mean, these are
tortuous discussions with their family members about whether or not
they have to leave the country to avoid being unconstitutionally
and illegally detained. I mean people are actually worried about
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being thrown in jail or grabbed in some sort of
extra judicial detention.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yes, they should be worried about being thrown in jail.
Many of them should be arrested and put on trial,
given a fair trial, and put in jail. And everyone
who's concerned about that should leave the country with their families. Goodbye,
too bad, so sad, We'll see you later. And speaking
of the FBI, the organization itself shouldn't exist anymore. I'm
not naive enough to think that's something that's going to
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be done by Donald Trump and the Republicans in the
next four years. But I'll tell you, cutting out huge
portions of the government must happen. It must. Though they're
not going to eliminate the FBI like you want, like Iowa,
but huge parts of the government have to go. And
when I hear things like this about the Department of Education,
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sounds good to me.
Speaker 6 (06:25):
I'm going to close the Department of Education and move
education back to the States, and we're.
Speaker 9 (06:30):
Going to do it fast.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
Good. They have to go. We can't. We can't do
this thing where we take a bunch of people in
this horrible department, will make it the education Department. We
take these horrible commies and we kick them out because
we got the presidency and we replace them with our people,
but we leave the department there because what will happen
is eventually shocking, is it sounds Democrats will win another
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election and then they're going to take our people and
remove them, but put their people right back in and
go back to abusing the country. The department itself has
to be removed. And these are the things that make
people uncomfortable. And speaking of making people uncomfortable, there's nothing
that people hate more than spending cuts. This is one
of those things we all lie to ourselves about, Yeah,
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they need to cut spending, they need to cut spending.
And then you show people the federal budget, you say
you want to cut this, this, and this, like the
big parts of it that have to be cut to
save the country, and that's when they start, well, I
mean maybe not that, but spending has to be cut.
There's been a lot of talk, serious talk about bringing
in Elon Musk, and yes, this has to happen.
Speaker 7 (07:40):
All government spending is taxation.
Speaker 10 (07:42):
So whether it's it's direct taxation or all govern spending,
it either becomes inflation or it's a direct taxation.
Speaker 7 (07:49):
Your money is being wasted, and the.
Speaker 10 (07:51):
Department of Government Divisioncy is gonna fix that.
Speaker 9 (07:58):
We're gonna get the government up.
Speaker 7 (08:00):
You're back and out of your pocketbook.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
It has to happen, and spending cuts are uncomfortable. Remember
when Elon Musk bought Twitter, which he renamed x which
is kind of weird. Remember when he bought Twitter, he
spent his time firing people. You need to go, and
you need to go, and you need to go and online.
It was so sad.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Oh my gosh, I said said about it a job.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Government employees must be fired by the thousand, and the
debt must be cut. We can't have thirty five trillion
in debt. It's going to be uncomfortable, but it has
to happen. And speaking of Elon Musk, he's been hot
on something else. Even though this isn't the Elon Musk show.
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The birth rate families. This is not a small thing.
And no, I don't want the federal government to get
too involved and families, but as a country, we are
losing our nuclear families for a variety of reasons. We're
losing nuclear families. Young men are not marrying young women
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and staying married and making babies. And I know this
gets really uncomfortable because everyone has a different walk in life,
and maybe that wasn't your walk in life. But the
nuclear family is the building block of every country, not
just ours, every country. A country made up of strong
nuclear families will be strong, and a country where nuclear
families have been shattered will be weak, and it will
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blow with the wind. And that's where we are right now.
Maybe that looks like tax incentives, Maybe it just looks
like we're talking about it being bold about cultural issues
like that, but this is where we have to go
to save the country. All right, All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am right, have a great
show for you. Many of the issues start with the deportations.
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We'll do those decks, and on.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
Day one we will begin the largest domestic deportation operation
in American history.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I'm excited. I'm not gonna lie. I'm very, very excited
for this, not because of the ugliness it's going to
take to get it done, but because of the necessity
of it. And it doesn't sound like they're backing off
of that. So joining me now to talk about it
a couple people who know quite a bit. Victor Avila
is a retired special agent with ICE, so he probably
knows a little bit of something about it, and of
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course Julio Rosauce, national correspondent with The Blaze and friend
of the show. Okay, first, Victor, let's begin here. Obviously,
locating people, apprehending people, and removing people from anywhere. It's
not a pretty nice process. It can't be by its
very nature. What does it look like? You were a
nice I've ever been a nice? What does it look like?
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How does this get done?
Speaker 10 (11:11):
It's gonna be methodical, it's gonna it's gonna be cumbersome.
And we know where these people are at a lot
of times, a lot of people say you're not.
Speaker 9 (11:19):
Gonna be able to find them. We will be able
to find them.
Speaker 10 (11:22):
And I tell people there's different categories of illegals, obviously,
and we've got to be cognizant of that. Obviously, we're
going after the really bad ones right now. There's you know,
the Venezuela and Standarawa, a lot of these illegals that
came in just in the last four years, plus the
ones that already have been ordered deported. It's over a
million illegals walking around with a deportation order in their pocket.
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So we already know where they're at, and we're gonna
need a lot of cooperation here from the state and locals.
A lot of things that we could there's a lot
of things that we could do here, and we.
Speaker 9 (11:57):
Were gonna do all of them and explore all of them.
Speaker 10 (11:59):
And one of those is to deputize a lot of
the state and locals. HSI, with the old US Customs Authority,
has the authority to deputize state and locals. We do
it a lot with our Task force officers that come
and work in our groups, and so giving them that
authority will help and rounding up because the state of
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locals know exactly where they're at. I can tell you
in my hometown where we could go to the areas
and exactly in every state. We're going to be able
to do that and start building up these these facilities.
Remember all these facilities that we build for the illegals
to come in and be processed, Well, now we're going
to use them.
Speaker 9 (12:37):
But it's going to be the other way around.
Speaker 10 (12:38):
Just it's going to be to be processing processing them
on the way out of the country.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
Gosh, I may just have to sit back and just
cheer for a couple of minutes. At the thought of
a country actually preserving and protecting its borders. Hulo. By
the way, why do we even need these mass deportations.
Aren't all these people here just picking strawberries?
Speaker 5 (12:58):
Well, no, that's funny because we actually do have a
workers program where, you know, like Yuma, for example, they
do use Mexicans who legally enter the country to work
on the farms and then they go back to Mexico
once the season's over. So I mean, it's very it's
very insulting to them because obviously they're not illegal. But
the reason, I mean, the reason why we we we
have this problem is because, I mean, it was day one.
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I mean, I know, I know people like saying the
day one and it, but it's so true. And so
this has been a day that a lot that I know,
a lot of border patrol agents, a lot of people
in the border communities of Texas, Arizona, New Mexico, California
have been waiting for it because, you know, whenever there's
a congressional delegation, I mean, that's basically what the answer was, like, Well,
we gotta wait for the election. We gotta you know,
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we gotta you know, hope that we can get Trump
back into office in order for this to be fixed,
because the acute problem, this current problem is coming from
the executive branch, right.
Speaker 7 (13:53):
Obviously there is the legislative aspect as well.
Speaker 5 (13:56):
But to address the current issues that we're facing right now,
that can be solved, you know, single handedly by the
incoming Trump administration. And so the thing is now is
to make sure that that does.
Speaker 7 (14:10):
Have followed through.
Speaker 5 (14:10):
And I can tell you, I mean, you have people
like Tom Homan, you have people like Steven Miller that
are going to be part of the you know, the
new Trump administration that will I mean, I've known Tom
for years now.
Speaker 7 (14:21):
And he is I mean, he's he's just been a
pit bull chained up, we are ready to go. And
so he's going to have that. He's gonna be unleashed
on January twentieth.
Speaker 5 (14:30):
So I know, I know there's some people who are
concerned like, oh, well, Trump's not going to do it.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
You know, I'm on conservatives right because like a Trump's
not gonna do it.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
He's that I have.
Speaker 5 (14:38):
I think it is going to happen just because the
people that are going to be staffing these positions are
going to make sure that this campaign promise is going
to be carried out, and if it's not carried out,
that's a very big detriment because the American people want this.
I mean, the American people voted for this, and right,
this is the popular vote. He has the mandates. So yes,
there's gonna be the media backlash. They're gonna be leftist backlash,
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but it doesn't represent what Americans want.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Victor. Is there anything Trump and Ice and you guys
can do about the places that aren't Texas? You know,
I know you mentioned logistically deputizing. Look, you're not gonna
have trouble deputies in the Texas Rangers or Galveston County
Sheriff's Department to participate. It's not gonna be in issue here.
But we already had the Massachusetts governor to come out
and say, well, no, you can't do that here. We
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know how California is going to handle it. How does
that work with these blue cities and states that are
obviously going to declare themselves to be sanctuaries and no,
you can't touch our illegals. Can you do anything there?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Absolutely?
Speaker 10 (15:40):
In this funny with these sanctuary cities and policies, A
lot of time it's not the actual police, it's the mayors.
It's the these county commissioners dictating to the sheriffs and
chiefs the police what they can and cannot do. Several things.
To eighty seven g's gonna come back.
Speaker 9 (15:56):
If you're not familiar with.
Speaker 10 (15:57):
TO eighty seven G, this law that will give the
state of locals the authority to do it. And it's
going to be it's gonna be about sanctions. It's going
to be about cutting them off financially. And Trump has
already said it. I don't doubt he'll do it in
a minute and cut them off. A lot of the
county jails around the country are subsidized by federal monies,
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and so you cut that off, they're not going to
be able to function.
Speaker 9 (16:22):
We're gonna, I'll put it to you this way.
Speaker 10 (16:23):
We're going to incentivize them very very strongly to participate
with ICE and there are other programs. By the way, Jesse,
we used to have back then it was I ins.
But even with ICE ro enforcement removal operations, an actual
deportation officer inside the county jails when these illegals would
get arrested, immediately you get flagged immediately you place the detainer.
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But now the detainer will be honored. The detainer will
be respected and executed if forever reason that person, an
illegal person, is released. Something really quick as well that
we have to talk about here is Mexico. Mexico, we
got issues over there. We got a new president over
there as a full communist. She won't even call a
President Trump to acknowledge him as a new president of
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the United States president elect. So we have issues there.
Mexico has to be dealt with very, very seriously. The
cartels and the designation of the cartels as foreign terrorist
organization is all part of.
Speaker 9 (17:19):
This whole deal.
Speaker 10 (17:20):
It's going to be it's going to be a little
bit complicated, it's going to be a lot, but we're
going to be doing it simultaneously, and you're going to
immediately see some big changes border patrol and all those
you're going to see them right away because at the
border it's going to change overnight on January twenty and twenty.
Speaker 9 (17:36):
First it's going to change, but then.
Speaker 10 (17:38):
You're going to start seeing it a little bit slow,
like what's happening with the deportations.
Speaker 9 (17:42):
I'm going to tell you right now, it's going to
be happening behind the scenes.
Speaker 10 (17:45):
But when people are going to start realizing is that
their towns are going to start becoming safer. It's all
about public safety and national security. And when they start
seeing that now they could actually go to the park
that they couldn't go to before, that their child can
write the bike where they couldn't write it intil Rio,
Texas and those type of changes, then people are going
to realize it's happening, and it's going to happen one
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at a time, and it's going to be a million
first and another million. But we have to hold these
countries accountable, not just Mexico, Central America and the rest
of the world that have allowed their people to come
into ours illegally.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
Ulio, how do we to what Victor just said, the
new president of Mexico is just an unmitigated freaking disaster.
Those four people in that country can never seem to
buy a decent government. So how do we see how
do we take on the cartels without the cooperation I
forget about without the cooperation with the opposition of Mexico's president.
This presents a problem. I know we can do it.
Speaker 7 (18:43):
How do we do that well?
Speaker 5 (18:45):
It's through trade. I mean, this is what Trump did
the first time around. I mean when the migrant care.
The whole reason why Mexico reorganized its National Guard to
actually use to be used to stop the migrant caravans
is because Trump threatened them with terrists that hey, we're
gonna we're gonna put you know, we're gonna we're gonna
text everything.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
We're an to tax everything that's going through the border.
And so that's our leverage.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
And that's a leverage that the Biden administration never used.
They they just said, Mexico, you do whatever you want,
until it started to get politically inconvenient, and so then
they started doing this, you know, this minimal pressures like hey,
can you guys, would you mind you know it's not
making it, you know, can you can.
Speaker 7 (19:23):
You spread them out a little bit, not having go
in one place.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Can you just spread them out a little bit or
doesn't look as bad and you just do some interior
enforcement operations just until the election. That's basically what their
plan was. So then you know, then kind of going
back to business as usual. But you're right, so the
United States has we not to sound too full of ourselves,
but in this relationship.
Speaker 7 (19:43):
We're the top dog, right, We're the top dog in
this relationship, and when you act like it.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
And again, I think with the people that the new
Trump administration will have, I think they're going to use
that tool in that toolbox to say Mexico, you know,
play times over, you got you know there. They have
that huge money incentive to allow this to happen, So
we got to cut that off as well. And it's
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just but I just really want to emphasize this is
that this was such a huge disaster and that's why
Harris lost. I mean people, you know, before twenty twenty one,
people had no idea what nande adagua was. And now
that is a common word that people know from Texas
all the way to New York. Why because they opened
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the border they said come on in, and people American
citizens are dead as a result of that. And that
is so sickening and that is why it's such a
relief that this is now finally going to be solved.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (20:41):
Again, there is larger.
Speaker 5 (20:43):
Issues when it comes to immigration that that do need
to be addressed, but the acute problem, the most stark
issues of this problem. You know, hopefully by January you know,
starting January twenty will be fixed. And it's just it's
a vindication because people were saying you're racist for being
concerned about the border. White scare it brown people. It's like, no, Latinos,
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we're the primary victims of this.
Speaker 7 (21:07):
Are they racists?
Speaker 1 (21:08):
No?
Speaker 7 (21:08):
Absolutely not victimized Latinos.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
And then they only started to become a problem when
they started to affect white people. And again that's not
to play into the left, you know, racial game, but
that's how you got it, that's how you got.
Speaker 7 (21:20):
To present it to them.
Speaker 5 (21:20):
Right, we're all Americans, we all deserve to be safe,
and this is what needs to be done.
Speaker 7 (21:25):
And America said, yes, we're not going to do with
this anymore.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
And we are the top dog. That's a good way
to put it, Julio. We are the Marines, they are
every other lesser branch. Thank you so much. Happy birthday,
my brother said for five. Thank you boys. All right,
let's talk about the economy next. And after the greatest
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political comeback in American history, we're gonna leave the greatest
economic come back in American history under Donald Trump's leadership. Okay,
sounds good, I'm all on board for it. And Lord
knows we need it because we have got to grow
our way out of this freaking disaster we're in. But
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can we what is realistic what is not? We know
Carol will give it to as straight as she always does.
Joining me now, the great Carol. We're author of the book,
several books actually, which are all wonderful, but you will
own nothing. Highly recommend it, Okay, Carol. Obviously the economy
will get better under these two under Trump and the
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GOP and fewer regulations, and just on energy alone, because
there's such a lot of money waiting there to be
spread around, so it will get better. How much better
can it get? They can't fix everything that's not realistic.
How much better can it get? All?
Speaker 9 (22:58):
Right?
Speaker 11 (22:58):
So, first of all, this is our first time I'm
coming together since the election, and we have not taken
a collective victory lab We have not you know, bathed
in the optimism. So this will probably be my most
optimistic time with you. And I'm sure as time goes
on this will kind of tail off. But I'm in
this moment of optimism because I do think that sentiment
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is very self fulfilling. You know, if you are a
business or an individual, that wants to, you know, do
something to make an investment, like you're not going to
do that under Kamala Harris and Joe Biden. But now
when these shackles have been you've been freed from them,
you have the feeling that you can go ahead and
make these types of investments and those are the things
that are going to grow. So right now, I'm just
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going to bathe in the sense of optimism, and I
do think that growth is the key here and some
of the areas that are really going to help with
that is one regulation. You know that the Biden Harris
administration on a small business alone one point seven trillion
dollar regulatory burden. So Donald Trump's going to walk that back.
He's going to do things like put back flexible work.
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You know, he was pro independent contractor and gig worker.
That's great for those people and for small business. He's
going to create some certainty around longer term tax cuts.
So all of these things can really help us to grow.
And I do feel good that he has people around
him this time that are more entrepreneurial.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
The Viveks, the the Elon.
Speaker 11 (24:26):
Musks, you know, these are the kinds of people that
can show that path of growth and sort of balance
that against any type of spending cuts that we're going
to do. Now, does this mean that you're going to
all of a sudden see prices drop back to the
levels of ten years ago.
Speaker 1 (24:42):
Absolutely not.
Speaker 11 (24:43):
I think the path forward is through growth and then
making sure that wages across the board do really catch
up and so you know things are not You're not
going to see those prices drop down, but if your
purchasing power can help catch up, that would be very helpful.
It is a very delicate needle to thread, Jessie, and
I'm sure we'll be talking about this a lot. So
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I'm not promising that you're not getting more inflation, and
I'm not promising that everything is going to.
Speaker 7 (25:09):
Be great forever.
Speaker 11 (25:10):
But there is at least some semblance of a path
that we need to begin to walk down.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
Okay, walk me through the threading of that needle, Carol,
or why is it a delicate needle? I guess is
the way I want to put this, as you just
laid out, blow up the energy industry in a good way, sorry,
blow it up in a good way. Deregulate the economy.
We're going to get growth that seems it doesn't seem
delicate at all. It seems fairly straightforward. I know what
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you're talking about, but please explain why is this a
delicate needle to thread at all?
Speaker 11 (25:42):
Well, I love the fact that I've taught you so
much over the years that you actually know what I'm
talking about now, because I remember when we started, you
had no idea what I was talking about. So let's
just take a moment to celebrate that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
As hard, I still don't up.
Speaker 11 (25:55):
But the reality is we're in a different situation because
of our fiscal foundation. If you think back to the
eighties and what they had to contend with, they had
thirty percent ish debt to GDP. Right now, we have
more than one hundred and twenty percent debt to GDP.
We're running deficits that are double the historic average, and
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we're not in an offensive war or anything that's an
emergency situation right now. So that limits the options that
we have because if we really increase how much debt
to GDP we have, or we increase the deficits to GDP,
we're going to end up in a sovereign debt crisis,
and that's very wonky. And we could talk about that
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another day, But just if you believe me on that,
the fact of the matter is that we have to
make sure when we make these cuts to government that
it's done so with the growth alongside of it. Otherwise
you end up shrinking the GDP, you end up shrinking
the tax collections, and that actually ends up expanding the deficit,
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which is something we don't want to see. So we
really need torategic thinkers in there. We're going to understand.
We can't just go in with the hatchet we would
all love to take to the government on day one
without these the delicate modeling out of how we're going
to have the growth exceed what we're doing on the
cutting side. So it has to be done in a
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very methodical manner, and if it's not done in the
right manner, then it could have adverse consequences, one of
those no good deed it becomes or goes unpunished types
of situations.
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Carol Trump loves tariffs. He loves to talk about them.
He's very much more of a a Teddy Roosevelt type Republican.
It's not been the norm in GOP circles, but Trump
kind of has brought that back. People have a vague
understanding of what tariffs are. But is this a good
idea a complete disaster? He loves that. He talks about
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it a lot, and he means it. He's been talking
about it since long before he got into politics. What's
the deal with tariffs?
Speaker 9 (27:56):
So I am a centrist on tariffs.
Speaker 11 (27:59):
I think that they're There are some places where where
there are businesses who don't have the ability to make
their products in the United States. There isn't the know how,
The cost would be absolutely prohibitive, and to put tariffs
on those companies will actually put them out of business. However,
there are places where not only do we have a
lot of options, but maybe it's critical to our national security.
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This is one of those things we've learned during COVID
is how much of the supply chain is sitting in
other countries and could absolutely crip us. And for those countries,
we do want types of situations. We do want to
incentivize companies to be making those products here in the US.
So I think again, a thoughtful strategic approach needs to
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be taken. The other issue with tariffs, just like everything else,
is math and logic. It's really lovely to say we'll
just go and throw a tariff onto everything. But we
have to remember that seventy percent of our economy is service.
Speaker 9 (28:55):
Based, it's not goods based.
Speaker 11 (28:57):
And people will say, well, Carol, that's the whole point
to bring manufacturing back, But we don't have the lowest
cost of energy. We certainly don't have the lowest cost
of labor. The reality is we're not going to be
able to grow manufacturing to a point anytime in the
near future where tariffs are going to be able to sustain,
you know, the government that we have, or even one
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that we shrink down slightly. So again, a thoughtful strategic approach.
There are going to be places where it makes sense.
But does this happen across the board. No, And again
we're turning around a huge ship here, Jesse. So this
is the stuff that is going to you know, we're
gonna have to do it one step at a time.
It's you know, how do you eat an ell of
it elephants? You eat it one bite at a time.
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You can't just try to put the whole thing in
your mouth. So I think that's what people are going
to have to understand, is that there does need to
be a thoughtful approach, and this is going to have
some time. We just need to be moving that in
the right direction to start making that progress.
Speaker 1 (29:55):
Yeah, it's a delicate process. Can picture yourself guiding Whoopy
Goldberg hambered out of a bar into her car. That's
kind of what we're left dealing with here. Kirol Rock,
you are the best. Come back and join us soon.
I appreciate you. All right, Mike Davis is going to
be a bulldog, has been a bulldog for Donald Trump.
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What are his plans for the deep state? Let's talk
about that next.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
I will immediately reissue my twenty twenty executive Order restoring
the President's authority to remove rogue bureaucrats, and I will
wield that power very aggressively. Second, we will clean out
all of the corrupt actors in our national security and
intelligence apparatus. We will totally reform Pfizer courts, which are
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so corrupt that the judges seemingly do not care when
they are to in warrant applications.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
Man, I don't even know if Mike and I need
to talk. Maybe we should just play that on a
loop over and over and over again. I can just
sit and watch it and just drink it all in
joining me now. Mike Davis, founder of the Article three Project. Mike,
it sounds really good. And since Trump's selection, they haven't
backed off of that. You haven't backed off of that
kind of talk. It hasn't been a you know, well,
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I guess never mind, let's get along. It looks to
be all gas, no breaks right now and getting these
criminals out of our government, is it? It seems that way.
Speaker 4 (31:36):
I am very happy that President Trump is going to
fulfill his campaign promise to reform or intel agencies in
justice system. They have been politicized and weaponized, going all
the way back to Crossfire Hurricane against President Trump Russian collusion.
They've gone after Trump, his top aids Steve Bannon and
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Peter Davarrow, who they put in prison his supporters on
January sixth, though they politically persecuted according to the Supreme
Courts Fisher decision. And June they went after parents outraged
by chaos and schools and the resulting rapes in high
school bathrooms. They went after pro life Christians, including putting
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a pro life Christian in prison for seventy five years
for praying at an abortion clinic while they gave amnesty
to Joe Biden, Biden family, blm Antifajamas, abortion industry activist,
trans terrorist.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
We need to fix this, Mike. How can we fix it?
I believe I'm well aware of what you and I
want done. You know what we would like done. I
want government people in handcuffs. I don't say that to
throw bombs. If you've committed crimes, especially using your power
in government to commit these crimes, you should go away.
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You should be in prison longer than a pro lifer
who was praying. But setting that aside, I want to
do whatever is realistic, what can realistically be done to
clean them out. Firings are arrests even possible.
Speaker 4 (33:07):
Look, I think President Trump needs to appoint a very
strong attorney general. He needs to appoint a very strong
deputy attorney general, FBI director, White House Council D and
I look, he has looked. President Trump was a political
novice when he ran the first time. He had never
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run for office, he had never been in office. He
has absolutely learned his mistakes from his first term. He's
publicly said that he's not gonna he's not gonna get
duped again by Russian collusion and the other nonsense that
the deep state threw at him the first time, and
he I think he's been very clear that in his
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public statements that he understands we have to fix this.
We are going to destroy our country if we have
a politicized and weaponized justice system and intel agencies. This
has to get fixed. And I'm very pleased that was
one of his first public pronouncements as the president elect.
Speaker 1 (34:11):
Missa James made a public statement the other day, and
I think maybe I misinterpreted it initially when I first
heard Lea Tisia James. I'll play it in a second.
I know you've already seen it, Mike. When I first
heard her say this, I took this as being an
offensive thing. We're going to resist, We're going to do
this or that. But more than I think about it,
and I know about the crimes she's committed. Maybe she's
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talking about playing defense here here was with Tisha James.
Speaker 12 (34:36):
We did not expect this result, but we are prepared
to respond to this result. And my office has been
preparing for several months because we've been here before. We
face this challenge before, and we use the rule of
law to fight back, and we are prepared to fight
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back once again, because as the attorney general of this
great is my job to protect and defend the rights
of New Yorkers and the rule of law, and I
will not shrink from that responsibility.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
Micah were looking at an offensive or defensive statement. Should
she be worried?
Speaker 4 (35:25):
What New York Attorney General Tis James just said there
is absolutely outrageous. She campaigns for attorney general on getting Trump.
She politicized and weaponized her office to go after Trump
for the non fraud of Trump paying back sophisticated Wall
Street banks in full on time as agreed with interest.
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She's part of the Democrat lawfare, an election interference campaign
against President Trump. Look, I'm not going into the Trump administration.
I'm going to be continuing to support Trump from the
Article three projects.
Speaker 1 (35:58):
But I really hope that whoever.
Speaker 4 (36:00):
Trump picks as as an attorney general will hold her
accountable for what she has done with this politicized and
weaponized justice system against her political enemies. This is a
conspiracy against rights under eighteen USC. Section two forty one.
It's outrageous and she needs to back off.
Speaker 1 (36:19):
Okay, let's talk about the judges. That is one thing
that was lasting and really, really, really good from the
first President Trump term. Obviously, you're never going to nail
at one hundred percent on Skota's Kavanaugh. But setting that aside,
we have a bunch more local judges that Trump will
be putting into place. How does this look, Mike? How
do you vet these people to make sure you don't
get some dirty snakes in there? Look?
Speaker 4 (36:41):
President Trump's biggest and most consequential accomplishment of his first
term was the transformation of the federal judiciary to the
first constitutionalist majority in ninety years, including three appointments to
the Supreme Court. They'll disappoint us from time to time,
but overall they are It's a very good Supreme Court,
and it's getting better and better by the term. I
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think President Trump will build on that in his second
term with even more bold, even more fearless judges. Don't
we have a much better Senate this time with fifty
three It looks like Republican senators. We don't have so
many squishes this time. And frankly, when I was the
Chief counsel for nominations the first time, we were able
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to break through so much Democratic obstruction that we set
up an assembly line to make it much easier for
President Trump to confirm his judicial and executive branch nominees
this time.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
He's ready to go on day one the Supreme Court.
Are we looking at any can you see on the
horizon over the next four years, any of these justices retiring?
And let me ask a question that is uncomfortable, but
it's a very valid question. Clarence Thomas, who I freaking love. Honestly,
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everyone who's decent on the right loves Clarence Thomas. Is
it time for him him to maybe retire?
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Look, when these justices have lifetime tenure, they're going to
go when they want to go. I would just I've
said this publicly to these judges on the federal bench.
The stars are aligned right now. We have President Trump
back in office. He's proven that he is he's he
can appoint very good judges. We have a much stronger
Republican Senate this time than we even did the first time.
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So if Republican judges are looking for like minded successors,
people who will carry the torch for them, younger, more bold,
more fearless judges, now is the time to consider stepping down.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
But you're not going to tell a federal judge to leave.
They're going to leave on their own time.
Speaker 4 (38:40):
I think if I were Justice Alito, I think I
would get out quickly. I think he's accomplished what he
wants to accomplish. But you know, maybe Justice Thomas has
some more. He'll step down when it's appropriate for him,
when it's appropriate for the country.
Speaker 1 (38:56):
He'll do the right thing. And I'm not worried about it. Yeah,
I know the man is the patriot of patriots. I'm
certainly not worried about his heart or his motivation at all.
I'm just thinking about the state of that court. All right. Finally, pardons,
these are things that usually come at the end of
a presidential term. But you've already mentioned people rotting in
prison January sixers me, Maz, there are people who don't
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need to do another four years in prison until the
end of Trump's term. That's politically, it could be political
capital that is limited to start pardoning people. How does
that look, Mike.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Like I said, I'm not going into the administration, but
I would strongly advise President Trump's White House counsel and
as an Attorney general to pardon these Almost all of
the January sixth defenders, the Supreme Court made very clear
in the Fisher decision that they were politically persecuted. For
the worst offenders, you commute their sentences. There's nothing that
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happened on January sixth that calls for a twenty two
your prison sentence. That is ridiculous, especially considering the Biden
Kamala Justice Department gave amnesty to the much more deadly
and destructive BLM and Antifa and hamas writers and so
I hope that's a high priority and I'll certainly make
that a high priority advocating for their partner and commutations
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at the Article three project.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Mike, I appreciate it, Thank you, brother. I'm hopeful, and
the more I hear, the more hopeful I get. We'll
see how it goes. Final thoughts. Thanks. Now, the work
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begins and there's a ton of work to do. The
bad news is there's a ton of work to do.
But the good news is there's a ton of work
to do. What does that mean, Well, just tackle a
new thing all the time. There's always something new that
Republicans at Donald Trump, his administration, hopefully the House, hopefully
the Senate. There's a bunch to do, and we have
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to get going. What we have to remember is that
we have a role to play in all this too.
You and I do believe it or not. You may
feel like you're helpless, but that you're not public backing.
Remember politicians, they're mostly followers, they're not leaders, and even
the ones who are leaders, they need our help. So
when the propaganda campaigns begin, and many of them have
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already begun, Oh don't deport my housemaid. When these things begin,
you are going to have to steal yourself and be ready,
and you're going to have to stop them from using
your values against you. That is the communists plan for
the next four years. As soon as they lose power,
(41:58):
they try to use your values against you. Don't you
want to be nice? Aren't you empathetic? That isn't what
Jesus would want. You're gonna get a lot of that,
So get ready, vast deport cut spending. Let's get this
government in order and get everything back on track, and maybe,
just maybe we can do a whole lot of good
in the next four years and try to save this place.
(42:19):
All right, all right, we'll do it again.
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Jesse Kelly
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