January 29, 2025 • 37 mins
Democrats talking tough on ICE while they do nothing about it. Getting illegals out of the country as fast as possible. Deporting student visa holders. Brandon Weichert explains why Greenland is so important. Are China's hyper-sonic missiles a threat to the American military? Are our carriers the answer?
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on
a wonderful Wednesday. We have Brandon Wiker coming up about
a half hour from now. We are about to get
so much smarter on trade, Russia, Greenland, China, hypersonic missiles.
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A wealth of information is coming your way about a
half hour from now, so that will be fun. We're
gonna move away from the RFK stuff for now because
I'm gonna talk about Democrat resistance to illegal immigration enforcement.
We're gonna talk about the USDA Inspector General getting escorted
out of the building, deporting anti Semitic student visa holders,
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and so much more coming up on the world famous
Jesse Kelly they showed. Now, I need to explain something
we're all seeing here because you're going to see a
lot of it. You're going to keep seeing a lot
of it, and so you really need to roll your
eyes when you see it. And I'm talking about the
Democrat resistance to mass deportation. If you are a Democrat,
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you have a tight rope you need to walk right now,
and you have to be very, very very careful with
that tightrope. Let's say you're a mayor, because right now
the Pittsburgh mayor came out, Pittsburgh mayor vows not to
work with ICE on illegal immigration crackdown. Okay, what's that mean. Well,
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he's not going to work with ICE. But you notice
he didn't say he was going to actually oppose ICE
actually stand in the way. And here's why the tightrope
you have to walk if you're a Democrat, governor or
mayor senator, whatever it is right now is you need
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to act as if you are trying to stop mass deportation.
You need to act that way as much as humanly possible.
So you will make announcements like over my dead body,
or I'm not going to work with ICE. You have
to make kind of threatening sounds like this from this
is Governor of Illinois JB. Pritzko.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I made a promise to the people of Illinois when
it comes to threats to our freedom, health or security,
if you come for my people, you come through me.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
WHOA sounds scary. Oregon governor came out two same things.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I will not back down from a fight, whether it's
access to reproductive and gender affirming healthcare. Staying on our
path to reach our climate goals, protecting immigrant communities, upholding
our civil liberties.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm not going to back down from a fight. San
Francisco officials said the same thing. Pittsburgh was not going
to work with Arby. We know that San Francisco is
a centuary Gosh, that voice is tough to deal with,
isn't it. We know that San Francisco is a centuary city.
We will always be a sentuary city. We want to
be clear.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The Sheriff's office does not and will not take part
in immigration raids or any federal.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, we're not going to work with them. Mayor of Minneapolis,
same thing. In the city of Minneapolis, we will stand
up for you and we will do anything in our
power to help because you're not an alien in our city.
You're a neighbor. But here's the tightrope. They have to watch,
you have to walk, you have to oppose illegal immigration crackdowns,
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but you can't break the law. You see. So what
they're trying to do with all these mayors and governors,
what they're all trying to do is you're trying to
raise your profile in the Democrat Party because the Democrat
parties anti American They love illegal immigration, so you have
to raise your profile by saying, no, I'm not gonna
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help you deport Loupe. But they're not actually going to
physically oppose Ice or oppose the deportation efforts, because that
is a felony. And the Trump administration is proving to
have actual teeth, and they have essentially come out and said,
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go ahead and oppose us, that's a felony. We'll have
you arrested, even if you're an elected official. So Democrat
after democrat after they're all doing it, and you're gonna
watch them all do it. Now, you're gonna laugh now
that you see it. They're all playing the same game.
They're all saying, we're not gonna help Ice, we're not
gonna support Ice, but they can't actually oppose Ice. You see. Oh,
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they're gonna stand to the side while Ice goes in
there and grabs a bunch of rapists and murderers. They'll
give them a disapproving look on the way by, but
they're not actually going to stand in their way. Because
then you go from being an up and coming Democrat
who's out there fighting for the foreign barbarians. You go
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from that into being the Democrat who got arrested on camera,
the Democrat facing felony federal charges for illegal immigration. And
that is where you don't want to be. You're seeing,
and will continue to see, a fake resistance put up
by a bunch of ladder climbing Democrat losers who are
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only interested in earning their next position. They're not interested
in protecting their city or their state. They don't even
actually care about any of this stuff. They understand the
rabbit animals who make up the Democrat party base. They
want foreigners here by the million, and they'll try to
get promoted in their own party by acting like they
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oppose it, but none of them will actually oppose it.
That's the game being played right now. They're watching. They're
watching a man who sounds dead serious about all day.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I am also signing an executive order to instruct the
Departments of Defense and Homeland Security to begin preparing the
thirty thousand person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay. Most people
don't even know about it. We have thirty thousand beds
in Guantanamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening
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the American people. Some of them are so bad we
don't even trust the countries to hold them because we
don't want them coming back. So we're going to send
them out to Guantanamo. This will double our capacity immediately,
right and tough. That's a tough that's a tough place
to get out.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Of, outstanding Jesse. Fifteen hundred illegals a day isn't enough.
This adds up to two point two million in four years.
There needs to be other ways of getting fifteen to
twenty million illegals out of the country. I want them
all gone. I thought that's what Donald Trump promised us
ideas Okay, first, you know, I would be more than
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happy to criticize the administration if I felt like they
were slow rolling this or breaking a promise. But they
are out there publicly saying essentially what you just said.
You satisfied Tom Homan with the pace of migrant deportations.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
No, we gotta do more. We got we got to
open that aperture up. What we're going to do. Here's
a great start. The first week was unprecedented.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean the illegal crossing to on the border one day,
it was like five hundred and forty I've never seen that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And I started Bordutur nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We're not satisfied. We've got more to do. I warned
you repeatedly that mass deporting twenty thirty forty fifty million
people was probably not realistic. That in the end, if
you have a president like Joe Biden who's going to
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intentionally bring in as many people as humanly possible, that
that is something the next administration likely cannot overcome, even
if they tried. I've warned you about that a million times,
have I not? So here we are now that said,
what is the greatest immigration enforcement tool on earth? What
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is it? Think for a second, what is it? Is
it walls, border patrol agents? What's the greatest illegal immigration
enforcement tool out there? That's right, Chris actually guessed it.
I can't believe this fear. Fear is your greatest tool.
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It is. People don't like to talk like that. We're
obsessed with being nice for some ridiculous reason in this country.
But the greatest tool you can have is illegals around
the globe. Member people come from every tree in the world.
It's not just Latin America, all over the globe. People
have heard for years that you can just walk into
America and just dump on our immigration laws and there
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really won't be any consequences. Maybe you'll get deported, but
then you don't turn around and come right back. People
around the globe now are hearing things like this, and
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they're afraid. They're hearing people say they're deporting everyone. They're afraid.
Migrant caravans down hugely. You just heard Tom Holman talk
about it. Where our encounters at the border. It's off
a cliff now because the greatest tool for immigration enforcement
is the word getting on the street that we are
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closed for business. That is going to help snow ball deportations.
Self deportations will be an enormous thing as we move forward,
as people realize I don't feel safe here. I don't
feel secure here. Any day ice might come kicking down
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my door. That's how we want people to feel if
they're here illegally. All right, I'm going to talk about
suspending or deporting people with visas who we don't like.
Let's discuss that along these exact same lines, and we'll
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Speaker 4 (11:53):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
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well Peter's Michigan's Peters here in just a moment. Before
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we do that, Trump sign an executive order to deport
anti Semitic student visa holders. And so what is this?
What is this? Well, you saw all the college protests
that took place after the October seventh attack by Hamas,
and you add a bunch of kids on college campuses
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running out, oh my gosh, kill all the Jews, all
that stuff, and Trump's signing an executive order that says, hey,
if you're here on a visa and you do that
kind of crap, we will deport you. And there's been
a lot of back and forth today about that on
the right of do I support it, do I not
support it? Now, let me clarify the people who are
unsure of that is their argument from what I've seen,
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has been well, okay, so it's just protecting people who
have critical opinions, even ones you don't like. You know
you're not allowed to. And here's where I fall on that.
I have no problem at all with people criticizing me,
criticizing people I like, countries, I life, I don't care
at all. My thinking on this kind of stuff is,
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when you are a visa holder, you should be a
model citizen at all times. Unless you are an American citizen,
you should exist every single day here with a tiny
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bit of fear in your mind that if you step
out of line, you are going to be removed from
this country. That is basic immigration. That's how countries handle it.
Immigration no different than if you were a guest in
someone else's house. You make sure you put the toilet
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seat down, you clean up after yourself, you don't track
mud into the place. Because you're a guest, it's not
your house. You don't have ownership of it, you didn't
pay for it, it doesn't belong to you. And as
long as you're a guest, you mind your p's and q's.
But again, we've had such a backwards way of thinking
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when it comes to immigration in this country for so
long because of the filthy communists suve and filtrated us
because of the feminized American Christian Church. Ah James, that's
much a refuge. Because of all this idiocy we've had
in the country, we now have this state of affairs
where the American left, some of the American right, and
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every person who's here illegally or the very least is
here without being a citizen. They all just feel entitled
to it, all of them. I couldn't imagine it. Look,
I'll tell you this. You know, I'm not exactly given
my white trash background, I'm not exactly what you'd call
sophisticated or a world traveler at all. But I have
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since in the past two or three years, we've started
to try to go to other countries. You know what
a history geek I am. So we've done you know, Italy,
We've gone to Germany. We've been trying to go over there.
When I'm in these relatively civilized foreign countries, I am
mindful of the fact that I am not a citizen.
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I am a guest and as much of an ugly
American as I can be. I still it is still
on my mind, and I'm over there vacationing with my family.
I'm not committing crimes. I'm not doing it. And even then,
I am always mindful that this is not my country,
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and I need to ensure that I'm on my best
behavior because it's not my country. And that's how you
should think. That's the normal way to think. But we
have been so poisoned by this America hating mentality that
now it's even remotely controversial that we're going to deport
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visa holders. Now, I'll take it way further than the
Trump administration is taking it. I don't think you should
be deported if you're a visa holder and you criticize Israel.
I think you should be deported if you're a visa
holder and you publicly protest anything period. If you stand
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in front of red lobster and call for a return
of endless shrimp, that's fine. That's you're right, that's fine
unless you are here visiting. If you're here visiting, if
you're not a citizen of this country, then you shut
your freaking mouth. You be quiet, go to work, you
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go to school. You try to stay out of my
way and off of my radar. In the same way
guests who walk into my home. Yes, even family members.
They don't get to walk in, sit down in my chair,
put their dirty shoes up on my table, grab the
television remote and tune into whatever they choose to tune into.
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That's not permitted in my home. And that exact same way.
If you hold a visa here, you don't get to
make trouble about anything. I'll take that well beyond criticism
of Israel. I'll take it to criticism of anything at all. Now,
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on the flip side, if you're an American citizen, I
don't care who are what you criticize, as long as
you're not breaking the law. You can stand on college
campus and scream about killing all the Jews for all
you it means nothing to me whatsoever. But if you're
here and you're not a citizen, keep your feet off
my table and don't even think about touching the remote.
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I'll deport you for looking at me the wrong way.
That's how it should be treated. It's a privilege to
be here, all right. Brandon Wikert is going to join
us in just moment, and we were about to get
so much smarter about foreign affairs, China, shipping lanes, trade,
Why is Russia in the Arctic.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
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It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Loves some hollow notes.
Joining me now, Senior National Security editor for The National Interest,
my friend Brandon Wikert, who always has a lot of
takes on things. Okay, Brandon, first, I might as well
go ahead and tackle the big thing with you, the
news of the day already. RFK Junior obviously has a
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lot of thoughts on things that are much different than
what people are used to. The point I've made over
and over again tonight is if you're upset about that, well,
you shouldn't have violated the trust of the American people.
Over and over again. They're looking for something different.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now, that's right, that's right, It's it's I really appreciate
yet again, Donald Trump does this thing where he'll make
a statement, or he'll he'll pass a law, or he'll
nominate somebody that causes all of our elites to show
who they really are. And in the case of the
RK nomination, you have Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, who have
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you know, made a career off supposedly representing the little
guy and standing up for the people who've been wrong.
And she spent three minutes this afternoon questioning Urka, demanding
that he vowed not to stand up for the little
guy anymore by taking a four year avow to not
sue any big pharmaceutical agencies that are in violation of
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the law, and that he basically allowed for her, as
she put it, to vaccinate his kids. And so you know,
here we have it. You know, yet again Trump has
done something where it has forced the elite to show
who they really are. They don't care about us, they
hate us, and they want to basically drug us so
that they can experiment on us with big pharmaceutical you
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know industry behind them.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Brandon, were exactly did the pharmaceutical industry where? When when
did it become what it is? And I don't expect
them to all be a bunch of saints. It's a
for profit industry, and I want it to be a
for profit industry because that means the products get better
for us. But when did it become this cabal between
the government, FDA, big pharm Because it's really really ugly
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what has happened in this country?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well, incidentally, I or coincidentally or oddly enough. I think
it was when Lyndon Johnson basically create the current medical
insurance market, whereby you had the businesses started providing for
their employees health insurance. You had basically these rules being
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written by the government where they were getting involved in
the cost of things and basically forcing these companies to
change the way that they would do business ordinarily in
a free market. One of the things that Donald Trump
since twenty sixteen has talked about he was being funneled
for saying this, but he talked about the lines, getting
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rid of the lines. And what he was talking about
was if I live in Florida, if I find a
cheaper healthcare insurance in Wisconsin or North Dakota, because I
live in Florida, I can't purchase it. No other product
does that. Is it like that? For so things like
that actually have caused insurance to get into bed with government,
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create regulations that stifle competition and actually, oddly enough, empower
the insurance giants who then of course stick it to
all of us. And that also helps big pharma because
all of these insurance claims and whatnot causes prices to
go up. It basically creates lack of competition. Among the
big pharmaceutical industries, among the big insurance giants, and among
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government It creates a sort of cartel, if you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Will, Brandon switching gears here. Why is Greenland important? Everybody's
snickered and ha ha ha, that's funny. Trump wants to
take Greenland. But as I explained to people, whether you
like the idea or not, he's dead serious about it,
and strategically it is important. But it's up north. It's
I see, no one's ever going to go there. So
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people have a hard time understanding why it matters at all.
Why does it matter?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well, it matters because it's part of a larger movement
by the Trump administration to restore hemispheric defense. Basically, since
at least the Cold Wars end, America has basically let
its own backyard become overrun by hostile forces, whether it
be local forces like Venezuela or Cuba. They've grown in
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power and interns. They've brought with them foreign outside elements,
not only Iran, but also more importantly China and Russia.
And this is also why Trump wants to reclaim the
Panama Canal and Greenland is a keen sort of lynchpin
for America's northern defense strategy. We've allowed it to basically
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become this sort of open door for China and Russia
to exploit. Russia is crawling all over the Arctic since
two thousand and eight, they've basically conquered it, and we've
ignored that. And now we're waking up to the fact that,
oh my gosh, because Russia is controlling eighty percent of
the Arctic right now, they're bringing China with them because
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they're buddy buddy now, and Greenland, if we don't take it,
is going to fall into the Chinese Campact. That's why
in twenty nineteen, Trump started talking about buying Greenland in
the first term of his presidency, because China was moving
in and trying to buy up all of the real
estate in Greenland. And this is also part of a
larger issue, which is that Trump is the only American
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president who realizes that post Cold War American order is gone.
We are now living at the beginning of a tripolar
world order that is inherently unstable. It is a tripolar
order divided between the US, China, and Russia. And for
US to compete in that world order, we've got to
make sure our own backyard is secure.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, again, speak with Brandon Wiker. Walk me through this
as if I'm stupid, because as you know, I am.
Why Why does Russia want the Arctic For a normal person,
that doesn't make any sense at all, who wants an
inhospitable block of ice? Why?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Well, it goes down to geopolitics. You know, all of
geopolitics throughout history is about controlling resources and controlling trade routes.
And what we're finding is that the Arctic has probably
the largest untapped bevy of rare earth minerals, which is
the stuff we need to build modern technology, as well
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as untapped natural gas and oil deposits underneath that ice.
The Russian since two thousand and eight have been heavily
taking that stuff from there. And also the trade routes.
So people may not know this, but there's two competing
trade routes opening up, one along the Russian coast and
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the Arctic and the other one which is floundering along
the Alaskan and Canadian coastlines of the Arctic. The Russian
trading route is known as the Northern Sea Route. They've
been investing heavily in that route since two thousand and eight.
It will take ships safely from Vladivostok along the Russian
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Pacific coast with China, and it will allow ships to
go all the way around all the way to northern
Europe without having to pass through the Suez Canal. And
it actually cuts down I think by about two weeks
of travel time, which is a huge money saver for
shipping firms, and Russia wants to make all the money
off of transit fees by having those ships use their
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territory to pass through. We want to do something similar
with the famous Northwest Passage. However, Canada is not letting
us use it, and there has been a territorial dispute
with Canada since the seventies, which, by the way, is
one of the reasons Trump is wanting to saying that
he's going to annex Canada because he wants he wants
to create a competing trading route in the Arctic to
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compete against Russia.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Brendan Okay, so you say create a trade route. Russia's
creating a trade route, but it's the open ocean. They're
not paving the roads. What does that mean in creating
a trade.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Route They've built the Russians have built the largest fleet
of nuclear eyes. In fact, they're the only ones with
nuclear ice breakers. China is starting to build their own now,
but Russia has the only and the largest fleet of
nuclear ice breakers, and those ice breakers are used to
cut paths in the ice that then allow for Russian
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military as well as civilian shipping containers to pass through.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Gosh, that is so fascinating, Brandon. I've should have asked beforehand,
do you have time for one more quick segment? I
have like a bunch more questions. All right, we're going
to come back here. We're going to come back with
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kellyshow dot com. But we are back with Brandon Wikert,
National Senior National Security Editor for the National Interest. Brandon,
(29:11):
do you have senior National Security editor on your business
card because that would be really cool.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Uh, well, I don't have business cards because I do
everything electronically, but it is in my electronic business cards.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I have business cards that only have my name and
face on them. It's one of the best investments I've
ever put in. I would highly recommend you do something
along those lines. Anyway, I want to talk to you
it shifting gears again. I want to talk a little
bit about China right now, because when you wake up,
you read things about China, which is all the time.
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You find out they are an economic juggernaut who's about
to overtake us, and then the next day you read
something that it says their economies on shaky ground, they're
about to collapse. When you read about them militarily, you
find out that they're capable of sweeping the US Navy
off the high season five minutes, and then the next
day you read that their equipment is hot, stinky garbage,
their troops have no experience whatsoever, and they would collapse
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in a matter of days. What is China right now?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
China is the world's next great superpower. I think Peter
Thiel has said this, and I happen to agree with
him that basically he thinks that China pays people in
America to say one good thing about China, and then
they pay another group to say one bad thing about
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China in order to confuse the American people and government
as to what's really going on in China. I think
you have to look at the data, and the data
has been this since twenty fourteen. China is the number
one economy in purchasing power parody terms. That is, according
to economists, the best measure of a national economy, much
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more so than gross domestic product GDP. In terms of GDP,
we're still number one, but China is right at our
heels at number two. They have a robust and growing
high tech sector. If you look at their human capital,
that's their their people compared to ours. They're graduating more
PhDs and science, technology, and engineering and math fields. They're
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smarter than us in testing terms, and they are as
we just saw with artificial intelligence, they're starting to produce
and innovate, not just copy and rip off the Americans,
which is something we were told they could never do.
So all this is to say, I am not of
the mind that China's going away anytime soon. Even if
it were to go away, I don't think the country
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would collapse. I think possibly Jijinping. The president would go
away and be replaced probably by someone much worse for us.
And so all this is to say that China is
the existential threat of our lifetimes, and unlike the Soviet
Union of old, this country is an economic dynamo, even
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if it has ups and downs. We have ups and
downs too. By the way, in our economy, nobody talks
about the American system collapsing, you know, when we went
through the Great Recession. Why do we say the same
thing about China. We probably shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, So how did the dynamic change? Meaning they're they're
pushing ahead while we appear to be lagging behind. Because
it's got to be more than you know, education Asians
getting PhDs. It's not exactly breaking news or something new here.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
What changed, well, I think a lot of it is
what actually people like Elon Musk have been complaining about,
and this is why they formed DOGE. A lot of
this is bad government policies that have piled up for decades,
whether we're talking about education policy where we're prizing, you know,
giving everybody a medal rather than making sure people can
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can pass their tests, you know, or whether we're talking
about the loocification of our children, or other things such
as I don't know, you know, having our government steming
innovation with regulations and taxes so much that American firms
prefer to go overseas and do business rather than do
it here. And so a lot of this is what
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Trump and Elon have been talking about for years, and
they are finally in a position where they can start
kind of cutting back on those things and encouraging and
in some cases forcing American firms to stay in America
and do business here so that we benefit from it
and get more competitive. Another key thing is China has
consistently invested in building world class infrastructure, and in doing so,
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having world class infrastructure allows for other investments to be
made and encourages real economic growth in the long term.
The United States has never has not, probably in seventy years,
done infrastructure properly. Again, that's something Trump has talked about fixing.
And so I think that with Trump and with Elon
and some of the people around Trump, I think we
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might actually start getting to the point of being competitive
again with China.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay, real quick, wrapping this up. I've only got a
couple of minutes left here. Hypersonic missiles. They concern me
when I think about our carrier based military, definitely our
carrier based Navy. It concerns me a great deal. Do
we have countermeasures? Does it concern you or is this overhyped?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I have been accused by the carrier folks at Navy
of waging a chihat against the carrier because I believe
hypersonic weapons and anti access area denial systems have rendered
the carrier obsolete. Hypersonic weapons are the game changer, and
we don't have them. China and Russia do. We're trying
to build them out. But by the way, this is
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the real reason Trump's talking about iron dem If you
actually read the executive order, he mentions more than just
iron delm. He wants to build space based interceptors. That's
to combat hypersonics because right now there is no active
defense against hypersonics. The only ones that can be built
would be a space Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay, well that's pretty much horrifying. Brandon Wiker go read
everything he puts out there. Obviously very sharp guy, Brandon,
I appreciate you as always. Hey, Chris, I kind of
want to get involved in the space aspect of all
this I know I hate space, but I also like
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cool stuff and I feel like I could be part
of I don't know, a design group, if you will,
designing space weapons. This is something I've been hot on
since I watched Alien for the very first time. No,
don't roll your eyes, Chris. I feel like I feel
like I have some good spaceship ideas and I don't care.
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And by the way, I don't hate space. No, I don't. No,
I don't. I'm uninterested in space. That's completely different. And
when I say space, I mean outer outer space. It's
not near space. It's just every time the scientists come
out at oh my gosh, we detected a watermelon on Uranus.
And I don't understand why that any of that would
(36:10):
interest me or concern me whatsoever. What, Chris, do I
want to go to Mars at the moon? No? Why
would I? Why? Why would I know? It's not because
I hate space. It's cold. I don't want to know. No,
I'm done with that now. I'm not gonna wear a jacket, Chris. See,
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a half hour from now. We are about to get
so much smarter on trade, Russia, Greenland, China, hypersonic missiles.
(00:33):
A wealth of information is coming your way about a
half hour from now, so that will be fun. We're
gonna move away from the RFK stuff for now because
I'm gonna talk about Democrat resistance to illegal immigration enforcement.
We're gonna talk about the USDA Inspector General getting escorted
out of the building, deporting anti Semitic student visa holders,
(00:56):
and so much more coming up on the world famous
Jesse Kelly they showed. Now, I need to explain something
we're all seeing here because you're going to see a
lot of it. You're going to keep seeing a lot
of it, and so you really need to roll your
eyes when you see it. And I'm talking about the
Democrat resistance to mass deportation. If you are a Democrat,
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you have a tight rope you need to walk right now,
and you have to be very, very very careful with
that tightrope. Let's say you're a mayor, because right now
the Pittsburgh mayor came out, Pittsburgh mayor vows not to
work with ICE on illegal immigration crackdown. Okay, what's that mean. Well,
(01:45):
he's not going to work with ICE. But you notice
he didn't say he was going to actually oppose ICE
actually stand in the way. And here's why the tightrope
you have to walk if you're a Democrat, governor or
mayor senator, whatever it is right now is you need
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to act as if you are trying to stop mass deportation.
You need to act that way as much as humanly possible.
So you will make announcements like over my dead body,
or I'm not going to work with ICE. You have
to make kind of threatening sounds like this from this
is Governor of Illinois JB. Pritzko.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
I made a promise to the people of Illinois when
it comes to threats to our freedom, health or security,
if you come for my people, you come through me.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
WHOA sounds scary. Oregon governor came out two same things.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
I will not back down from a fight, whether it's
access to reproductive and gender affirming healthcare. Staying on our
path to reach our climate goals, protecting immigrant communities, upholding
our civil liberties.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
I'm not going to back down from a fight. San
Francisco officials said the same thing. Pittsburgh was not going
to work with Arby. We know that San Francisco is
a centuary Gosh, that voice is tough to deal with,
isn't it. We know that San Francisco is a centuary city.
We will always be a sentuary city. We want to
be clear.
Speaker 4 (03:14):
The Sheriff's office does not and will not take part
in immigration raids or any federal.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Okay, we're not going to work with them. Mayor of Minneapolis,
same thing. In the city of Minneapolis, we will stand
up for you and we will do anything in our
power to help because you're not an alien in our city.
You're a neighbor. But here's the tightrope. They have to watch,
you have to walk, you have to oppose illegal immigration crackdowns,
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but you can't break the law. You see. So what
they're trying to do with all these mayors and governors,
what they're all trying to do is you're trying to
raise your profile in the Democrat Party because the Democrat
parties anti American They love illegal immigration, so you have
to raise your profile by saying, no, I'm not gonna
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help you deport Loupe. But they're not actually going to
physically oppose Ice or oppose the deportation efforts, because that
is a felony. And the Trump administration is proving to
have actual teeth, and they have essentially come out and said,
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go ahead and oppose us, that's a felony. We'll have
you arrested, even if you're an elected official. So Democrat
after democrat after they're all doing it, and you're gonna
watch them all do it. Now, you're gonna laugh now
that you see it. They're all playing the same game.
They're all saying, we're not gonna help Ice, we're not
gonna support Ice, but they can't actually oppose Ice. You see. Oh,
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they're gonna stand to the side while Ice goes in
there and grabs a bunch of rapists and murderers. They'll
give them a disapproving look on the way by, but
they're not actually going to stand in their way. Because
then you go from being an up and coming Democrat
who's out there fighting for the foreign barbarians. You go
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from that into being the Democrat who got arrested on camera,
the Democrat facing felony federal charges for illegal immigration. And
that is where you don't want to be. You're seeing,
and will continue to see, a fake resistance put up
by a bunch of ladder climbing Democrat losers who are
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only interested in earning their next position. They're not interested
in protecting their city or their state. They don't even
actually care about any of this stuff. They understand the
rabbit animals who make up the Democrat party base. They
want foreigners here by the million, and they'll try to
get promoted in their own party by acting like they
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oppose it, but none of them will actually oppose it.
That's the game being played right now. They're watching. They're
watching a man who sounds dead serious about all day.
Speaker 5 (06:04):
I am also signing an executive order to instruct the
Departments of Defense and Homeland Security to begin preparing the
thirty thousand person migrant facility at Guantanamo Bay. Most people
don't even know about it. We have thirty thousand beds
in Guantanamo to detain the worst criminal illegal aliens threatening
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the American people. Some of them are so bad we
don't even trust the countries to hold them because we
don't want them coming back. So we're going to send
them out to Guantanamo. This will double our capacity immediately,
right and tough. That's a tough that's a tough place
to get out.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Of, outstanding Jesse. Fifteen hundred illegals a day isn't enough.
This adds up to two point two million in four years.
There needs to be other ways of getting fifteen to
twenty million illegals out of the country. I want them
all gone. I thought that's what Donald Trump promised us
ideas Okay, first, you know, I would be more than
(07:06):
happy to criticize the administration if I felt like they
were slow rolling this or breaking a promise. But they
are out there publicly saying essentially what you just said.
You satisfied Tom Homan with the pace of migrant deportations.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
No, we gotta do more. We got we got to
open that aperture up. What we're going to do. Here's
a great start. The first week was unprecedented.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
I mean the illegal crossing to on the border one day,
it was like five hundred and forty I've never seen that.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
And I started Bordutur nineteen eighty four.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
We're not satisfied. We've got more to do. I warned
you repeatedly that mass deporting twenty thirty forty fifty million
people was probably not realistic. That in the end, if
you have a president like Joe Biden who's going to
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intentionally bring in as many people as humanly possible, that
that is something the next administration likely cannot overcome, even
if they tried. I've warned you about that a million times,
have I not? So here we are now that said,
what is the greatest immigration enforcement tool on earth? What
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is it? Think for a second, what is it? Is
it walls, border patrol agents? What's the greatest illegal immigration
enforcement tool out there? That's right, Chris actually guessed it.
I can't believe this fear. Fear is your greatest tool.
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It is. People don't like to talk like that. We're
obsessed with being nice for some ridiculous reason in this country.
But the greatest tool you can have is illegals around
the globe. Member people come from every tree in the world.
It's not just Latin America, all over the globe. People
have heard for years that you can just walk into
America and just dump on our immigration laws and there
(09:11):
really won't be any consequences. Maybe you'll get deported, but
then you don't turn around and come right back. People
around the globe now are hearing things like this, and
(09:31):
they're afraid. They're hearing people say they're deporting everyone. They're afraid.
Migrant caravans down hugely. You just heard Tom Holman talk
about it. Where our encounters at the border. It's off
a cliff now because the greatest tool for immigration enforcement
is the word getting on the street that we are
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closed for business. That is going to help snow ball deportations.
Self deportations will be an enormous thing as we move forward,
as people realize I don't feel safe here. I don't
feel secure here. Any day ice might come kicking down
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my door. That's how we want people to feel if
they're here illegally. All right, I'm going to talk about
suspending or deporting people with visas who we don't like.
Let's discuss that along these exact same lines, and we'll
do some emails before we get to Brandon Wikert. Let
me first discuss preserving memories your pictures. I want you
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to think, just for a moment, think about the pictures
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the wall, the ones in that baby book, the ones
in your wedding album. What happened if there's a fire tonight,
what would happen? All those pictures gone, all those memories gone.
Those old VHS tapes you have laying around You even
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have a VC who has a VCR? I don't even
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if you're like me, you don't have the first clue
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Speaker 4 (11:53):
Damn it.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
The Transtacks. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on Wednesday,
A wonderful hump day. Don't forget. You can leave. It's
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well Peter's Michigan's Peters here in just a moment. Before
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we do that, Trump sign an executive order to deport
anti Semitic student visa holders. And so what is this?
What is this? Well, you saw all the college protests
that took place after the October seventh attack by Hamas,
and you add a bunch of kids on college campuses
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running out, oh my gosh, kill all the Jews, all
that stuff, and Trump's signing an executive order that says, hey,
if you're here on a visa and you do that
kind of crap, we will deport you. And there's been
a lot of back and forth today about that on
the right of do I support it, do I not
support it? Now, let me clarify the people who are
unsure of that is their argument from what I've seen,
(13:00):
has been well, okay, so it's just protecting people who
have critical opinions, even ones you don't like. You know
you're not allowed to. And here's where I fall on that.
I have no problem at all with people criticizing me,
criticizing people I like, countries, I life, I don't care
at all. My thinking on this kind of stuff is,
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when you are a visa holder, you should be a
model citizen at all times. Unless you are an American citizen,
you should exist every single day here with a tiny
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bit of fear in your mind that if you step
out of line, you are going to be removed from
this country. That is basic immigration. That's how countries handle it.
Immigration no different than if you were a guest in
someone else's house. You make sure you put the toilet
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seat down, you clean up after yourself, you don't track
mud into the place. Because you're a guest, it's not
your house. You don't have ownership of it, you didn't
pay for it, it doesn't belong to you. And as
long as you're a guest, you mind your p's and q's.
But again, we've had such a backwards way of thinking
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when it comes to immigration in this country for so
long because of the filthy communists suve and filtrated us
because of the feminized American Christian Church. Ah James, that's
much a refuge. Because of all this idiocy we've had
in the country, we now have this state of affairs
where the American left, some of the American right, and
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every person who's here illegally or the very least is
here without being a citizen. They all just feel entitled
to it, all of them. I couldn't imagine it. Look,
I'll tell you this. You know, I'm not exactly given
my white trash background, I'm not exactly what you'd call
sophisticated or a world traveler at all. But I have
(15:13):
since in the past two or three years, we've started
to try to go to other countries. You know what
a history geek I am. So we've done you know, Italy,
We've gone to Germany. We've been trying to go over there.
When I'm in these relatively civilized foreign countries, I am
mindful of the fact that I am not a citizen.
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I am a guest and as much of an ugly
American as I can be. I still it is still
on my mind, and I'm over there vacationing with my family.
I'm not committing crimes. I'm not doing it. And even then,
I am always mindful that this is not my country,
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and I need to ensure that I'm on my best
behavior because it's not my country. And that's how you
should think. That's the normal way to think. But we
have been so poisoned by this America hating mentality that
now it's even remotely controversial that we're going to deport
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visa holders. Now, I'll take it way further than the
Trump administration is taking it. I don't think you should
be deported if you're a visa holder and you criticize Israel.
I think you should be deported if you're a visa
holder and you publicly protest anything period. If you stand
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in front of red lobster and call for a return
of endless shrimp, that's fine. That's you're right, that's fine
unless you are here visiting. If you're here visiting, if
you're not a citizen of this country, then you shut
your freaking mouth. You be quiet, go to work, you
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go to school. You try to stay out of my
way and off of my radar. In the same way
guests who walk into my home. Yes, even family members.
They don't get to walk in, sit down in my chair,
put their dirty shoes up on my table, grab the
television remote and tune into whatever they choose to tune into.
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That's not permitted in my home. And that exact same way.
If you hold a visa here, you don't get to
make trouble about anything. I'll take that well beyond criticism
of Israel. I'll take it to criticism of anything at all. Now,
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on the flip side, if you're an American citizen, I
don't care who are what you criticize, as long as
you're not breaking the law. You can stand on college
campus and scream about killing all the Jews for all
you it means nothing to me whatsoever. But if you're
here and you're not a citizen, keep your feet off
my table and don't even think about touching the remote.
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I'll deport you for looking at me the wrong way.
That's how it should be treated. It's a privilege to
be here, all right. Brandon Wikert is going to join
us in just moment, and we were about to get
so much smarter about foreign affairs, China, shipping lanes, trade,
Why is Russia in the Arctic.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
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Speaker 1 (18:36):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Loves some hollow notes.
Joining me now, Senior National Security editor for The National Interest,
my friend Brandon Wikert, who always has a lot of
takes on things. Okay, Brandon, first, I might as well
go ahead and tackle the big thing with you, the
news of the day already. RFK Junior obviously has a
(18:59):
lot of thoughts on things that are much different than
what people are used to. The point I've made over
and over again tonight is if you're upset about that, well,
you shouldn't have violated the trust of the American people.
Over and over again. They're looking for something different.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Now, that's right, that's right, It's it's I really appreciate
yet again, Donald Trump does this thing where he'll make
a statement, or he'll he'll pass a law, or he'll
nominate somebody that causes all of our elites to show
who they really are. And in the case of the
RK nomination, you have Democrats like Elizabeth Warren, who have
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you know, made a career off supposedly representing the little
guy and standing up for the people who've been wrong.
And she spent three minutes this afternoon questioning Urka, demanding
that he vowed not to stand up for the little
guy anymore by taking a four year avow to not
sue any big pharmaceutical agencies that are in violation of
(20:01):
the law, and that he basically allowed for her, as
she put it, to vaccinate his kids. And so you know,
here we have it. You know, yet again Trump has
done something where it has forced the elite to show
who they really are. They don't care about us, they
hate us, and they want to basically drug us so
that they can experiment on us with big pharmaceutical you
(20:24):
know industry behind them.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
Brandon, were exactly did the pharmaceutical industry where? When when
did it become what it is? And I don't expect
them to all be a bunch of saints. It's a
for profit industry, and I want it to be a
for profit industry because that means the products get better
for us. But when did it become this cabal between
the government, FDA, big pharm Because it's really really ugly
(20:50):
what has happened in this country?
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well, incidentally, I or coincidentally or oddly enough. I think
it was when Lyndon Johnson basically create the current medical
insurance market, whereby you had the businesses started providing for
their employees health insurance. You had basically these rules being
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written by the government where they were getting involved in
the cost of things and basically forcing these companies to
change the way that they would do business ordinarily in
a free market. One of the things that Donald Trump
since twenty sixteen has talked about he was being funneled
for saying this, but he talked about the lines, getting
(21:34):
rid of the lines. And what he was talking about
was if I live in Florida, if I find a
cheaper healthcare insurance in Wisconsin or North Dakota, because I
live in Florida, I can't purchase it. No other product
does that. Is it like that? For so things like
that actually have caused insurance to get into bed with government,
(21:57):
create regulations that stifle competition and actually, oddly enough, empower
the insurance giants who then of course stick it to
all of us. And that also helps big pharma because
all of these insurance claims and whatnot causes prices to
go up. It basically creates lack of competition. Among the
big pharmaceutical industries, among the big insurance giants, and among
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government It creates a sort of cartel, if you.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Will, Brandon switching gears here. Why is Greenland important? Everybody's
snickered and ha ha ha, that's funny. Trump wants to
take Greenland. But as I explained to people, whether you
like the idea or not, he's dead serious about it,
and strategically it is important. But it's up north. It's
I see, no one's ever going to go there. So
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people have a hard time understanding why it matters at all.
Why does it matter?
Speaker 4 (22:48):
Well, it matters because it's part of a larger movement
by the Trump administration to restore hemispheric defense. Basically, since
at least the Cold Wars end, America has basically let
its own backyard become overrun by hostile forces, whether it
be local forces like Venezuela or Cuba. They've grown in
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power and interns. They've brought with them foreign outside elements,
not only Iran, but also more importantly China and Russia.
And this is also why Trump wants to reclaim the
Panama Canal and Greenland is a keen sort of lynchpin
for America's northern defense strategy. We've allowed it to basically
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become this sort of open door for China and Russia
to exploit. Russia is crawling all over the Arctic since
two thousand and eight, they've basically conquered it, and we've
ignored that. And now we're waking up to the fact that,
oh my gosh, because Russia is controlling eighty percent of
the Arctic right now, they're bringing China with them because
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they're buddy buddy now, and Greenland, if we don't take it,
is going to fall into the Chinese Campact. That's why
in twenty nineteen, Trump started talking about buying Greenland in
the first term of his presidency, because China was moving
in and trying to buy up all of the real
estate in Greenland. And this is also part of a
larger issue, which is that Trump is the only American
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president who realizes that post Cold War American order is gone.
We are now living at the beginning of a tripolar
world order that is inherently unstable. It is a tripolar
order divided between the US, China, and Russia. And for
US to compete in that world order, we've got to
make sure our own backyard is secure.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
Okay, again, speak with Brandon Wiker. Walk me through this
as if I'm stupid, because as you know, I am.
Why Why does Russia want the Arctic For a normal person,
that doesn't make any sense at all, who wants an
inhospitable block of ice? Why?
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Well, it goes down to geopolitics. You know, all of
geopolitics throughout history is about controlling resources and controlling trade routes.
And what we're finding is that the Arctic has probably
the largest untapped bevy of rare earth minerals, which is
the stuff we need to build modern technology, as well
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as untapped natural gas and oil deposits underneath that ice.
The Russian since two thousand and eight have been heavily
taking that stuff from there. And also the trade routes.
So people may not know this, but there's two competing
trade routes opening up, one along the Russian coast and
(25:39):
the Arctic and the other one which is floundering along
the Alaskan and Canadian coastlines of the Arctic. The Russian
trading route is known as the Northern Sea Route. They've
been investing heavily in that route since two thousand and eight.
It will take ships safely from Vladivostok along the Russian
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Pacific coast with China, and it will allow ships to
go all the way around all the way to northern
Europe without having to pass through the Suez Canal. And
it actually cuts down I think by about two weeks
of travel time, which is a huge money saver for
shipping firms, and Russia wants to make all the money
off of transit fees by having those ships use their
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territory to pass through. We want to do something similar
with the famous Northwest Passage. However, Canada is not letting
us use it, and there has been a territorial dispute
with Canada since the seventies, which, by the way, is
one of the reasons Trump is wanting to saying that
he's going to annex Canada because he wants he wants
to create a competing trading route in the Arctic to
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compete against Russia.
Speaker 1 (26:44):
Brendan Okay, so you say create a trade route. Russia's
creating a trade route, but it's the open ocean. They're
not paving the roads. What does that mean in creating
a trade.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Route They've built the Russians have built the largest fleet
of nuclear eyes. In fact, they're the only ones with
nuclear ice breakers. China is starting to build their own now,
but Russia has the only and the largest fleet of
nuclear ice breakers, and those ice breakers are used to
cut paths in the ice that then allow for Russian
(27:15):
military as well as civilian shipping containers to pass through.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Gosh, that is so fascinating, Brandon. I've should have asked beforehand,
do you have time for one more quick segment? I
have like a bunch more questions. All right, we're going
to come back here. We're going to come back with
Brandon Wikert, who's making us all smarter. We will steal
all of his ideas, pass them off as our own,
sound smarter to friends and family members. And that's what
acquiring knowledge is all about. In fact, right now, I
(27:43):
want you to pick up your pure talk phone and
I want you to call a member of your family,
or text a family member a friend a piece of
knowledge you just learned from Brandon Wikert and act like
you came up with it yourself. It's what pure talk.
It's the patriotic thing. It's almost as patriotic as actually
(28:04):
switching to pure talk because You really shouldn't be paying
at and T, T Mobile, Verizon because those countries hate
your freaking guts. Switch to the company that actually loves us.
They hire American citizens. They didn't have to be They
didn't have to be forced by Trump to hire Americans.
Pure Talk was doing it back when Biden was in office.
(28:25):
You get a hold of pure Talk to switch your phone.
You get to talk to an American. Right now, they're
giving out free iPhone fourteen's or Samsung Galaxies for no
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dial pound two five zero and say Jesse Kelly. Ten
minutes on the phone Pound two five zero, say Jesse Kelly,
(28:47):
we'll be back. What Chris, We can make jokes. It's fine.
We get there right the Jesse Kelly Show. It is
the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wednesday. Reminding you you
can email the show and you should Jesse at Jesse
kellyshow dot com. But we are back with Brandon Wikert,
National Senior National Security Editor for the National Interest. Brandon,
(29:11):
do you have senior National Security editor on your business
card because that would be really cool.
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Uh, well, I don't have business cards because I do
everything electronically, but it is in my electronic business cards.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
I have business cards that only have my name and
face on them. It's one of the best investments I've
ever put in. I would highly recommend you do something
along those lines. Anyway, I want to talk to you
it shifting gears again. I want to talk a little
bit about China right now, because when you wake up,
you read things about China, which is all the time.
(29:47):
You find out they are an economic juggernaut who's about
to overtake us, and then the next day you read
something that it says their economies on shaky ground, they're
about to collapse. When you read about them militarily, you
find out that they're capable of sweeping the US Navy
off the high season five minutes, and then the next
day you read that their equipment is hot, stinky garbage,
their troops have no experience whatsoever, and they would collapse
(30:10):
in a matter of days. What is China right now?
Speaker 4 (30:16):
China is the world's next great superpower. I think Peter
Thiel has said this, and I happen to agree with
him that basically he thinks that China pays people in
America to say one good thing about China, and then
they pay another group to say one bad thing about
(30:36):
China in order to confuse the American people and government
as to what's really going on in China. I think
you have to look at the data, and the data
has been this since twenty fourteen. China is the number
one economy in purchasing power parody terms. That is, according
to economists, the best measure of a national economy, much
(30:56):
more so than gross domestic product GDP. In terms of GDP,
we're still number one, but China is right at our
heels at number two. They have a robust and growing
high tech sector. If you look at their human capital,
that's their their people compared to ours. They're graduating more
PhDs and science, technology, and engineering and math fields. They're
(31:20):
smarter than us in testing terms, and they are as
we just saw with artificial intelligence, they're starting to produce
and innovate, not just copy and rip off the Americans,
which is something we were told they could never do.
So all this is to say, I am not of
the mind that China's going away anytime soon. Even if
it were to go away, I don't think the country
(31:43):
would collapse. I think possibly Jijinping. The president would go
away and be replaced probably by someone much worse for us.
And so all this is to say that China is
the existential threat of our lifetimes, and unlike the Soviet
Union of old, this country is an economic dynamo, even
(32:04):
if it has ups and downs. We have ups and
downs too. By the way, in our economy, nobody talks
about the American system collapsing, you know, when we went
through the Great Recession. Why do we say the same
thing about China. We probably shouldn't.
Speaker 1 (32:17):
Okay, So how did the dynamic change? Meaning they're they're
pushing ahead while we appear to be lagging behind. Because
it's got to be more than you know, education Asians
getting PhDs. It's not exactly breaking news or something new here.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
What changed, well, I think a lot of it is
what actually people like Elon Musk have been complaining about,
and this is why they formed DOGE. A lot of
this is bad government policies that have piled up for decades,
whether we're talking about education policy where we're prizing, you know,
giving everybody a medal rather than making sure people can
(32:53):
can pass their tests, you know, or whether we're talking
about the loocification of our children, or other things such
as I don't know, you know, having our government steming
innovation with regulations and taxes so much that American firms
prefer to go overseas and do business rather than do
it here. And so a lot of this is what
(33:14):
Trump and Elon have been talking about for years, and
they are finally in a position where they can start
kind of cutting back on those things and encouraging and
in some cases forcing American firms to stay in America
and do business here so that we benefit from it
and get more competitive. Another key thing is China has
consistently invested in building world class infrastructure, and in doing so,
(33:40):
having world class infrastructure allows for other investments to be
made and encourages real economic growth in the long term.
The United States has never has not, probably in seventy years,
done infrastructure properly. Again, that's something Trump has talked about fixing.
And so I think that with Trump and with Elon
and some of the people around Trump, I think we
(34:01):
might actually start getting to the point of being competitive
again with China.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Okay, real quick, wrapping this up. I've only got a
couple of minutes left here. Hypersonic missiles. They concern me
when I think about our carrier based military, definitely our
carrier based Navy. It concerns me a great deal. Do
we have countermeasures? Does it concern you or is this overhyped?
Speaker 4 (34:24):
I have been accused by the carrier folks at Navy
of waging a chihat against the carrier because I believe
hypersonic weapons and anti access area denial systems have rendered
the carrier obsolete. Hypersonic weapons are the game changer, and
we don't have them. China and Russia do. We're trying
to build them out. But by the way, this is
(34:45):
the real reason Trump's talking about iron dem If you
actually read the executive order, he mentions more than just
iron delm. He wants to build space based interceptors. That's
to combat hypersonics because right now there is no active
defense against hypersonics. The only ones that can be built
would be a space Oh.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Okay, well that's pretty much horrifying. Brandon Wiker go read
everything he puts out there. Obviously very sharp guy, Brandon,
I appreciate you as always. Hey, Chris, I kind of
want to get involved in the space aspect of all
this I know I hate space, but I also like
(35:27):
cool stuff and I feel like I could be part
of I don't know, a design group, if you will,
designing space weapons. This is something I've been hot on
since I watched Alien for the very first time. No,
don't roll your eyes, Chris. I feel like I feel
like I have some good spaceship ideas and I don't care.
(35:49):
And by the way, I don't hate space. No, I don't. No,
I don't. I'm uninterested in space. That's completely different. And
when I say space, I mean outer outer space. It's
not near space. It's just every time the scientists come
out at oh my gosh, we detected a watermelon on Uranus.
And I don't understand why that any of that would
(36:10):
interest me or concern me whatsoever. What, Chris, do I
want to go to Mars at the moon? No? Why
would I? Why? Why would I know? It's not because
I hate space. It's cold. I don't want to know. No,
I'm done with that now. I'm not gonna wear a jacket, Chris. See,
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