May 16, 2025 • 46 mins
Jesse Kelly pulls back the curtain on the deep-rooted corruption within America’s political elite, exposing the machinations of “The Swamp.” Joined by Mike Benz, executive director of the Foundation for Freedom Online, Jesse dives into the shadowy world of government overreach and the weaponization of federal agencies. Plus, an exclusive interview with ousted D.C. Attorney turned weaponization czar Ed Martin.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
All right, let's talk about the swamp. We love calling
it the swamp, but here's the truth. The United States
government is the largest criminal organization on the planet. Now,
this did not happen overnight, and this is not a
permanent state of affairs, Lord Willing, but decades and decades
and decades of negligence from us, the citizen. We have
(00:31):
to own it. Myself included negligence from us. We didn't
care enough about politics or primaries. It has created this
system where Washington, DC really is a den of corruption,
where these people blood suck money from the taxpayer, you,
from me, and hand it out to each other. They
hand it to their friends, they hand it to their allies.
(00:54):
And what is it that criminal organizations fear the most?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They fear in.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Filtration, being exposed, and being held accountable. There's a reason
mob bosses won't speak on the phone with their members anymore.
They have to walk and cover their mouth and have
whispered conversations. That exact same thing is at work inside
of the United States government. You see the reason the
swamp has not drained, even though you want it drained,
(01:22):
even though Trump wants it drained, is there is a
cabal there. Well, now you're probably thinking about Democrats, but
set them aside. Democrats don't have the House, they don't
have the Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
We do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But you see the established people, the people who've been
there a long time, most of them the Tom Tillis's
of the world. They don't see themselves as opposing Democrats
or fighting for you. They know how they have to
lie to you about that, but that's not how they
see themselves at all.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They see themselves as.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Knowing they have to pretend they'll oppose Democrats, but in
reality they are there to protect the criminal organization from prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Remember what Tom Tillis said.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It was so revealing about why he opposed Ed Martin
for US Attorney.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Here he was, he is, I don't believe he's being
in advanced to the markup.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
And I met with mister Martin.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He seems like a good man. Most of my concerns
related to January sixth, and he built a compelling case
on some of the fifteen twelve prosecutions that were probably
heat of the moment, bad decisions. But where we probably
have a difference is I think anybody that reached the
perimeter should have been in prison for some period of time.
(02:39):
Whether it's thirty days or three years is debatable. But
I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the building
on January the sixth, and that's probably where most of
the friction was.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
If mister Martin were being put forth.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As a US attorney for any district except the district
where January six happened, the protest happened, I probably support them,
but not in this district. At this point, indicated to
the White House, I wouldn't support his nomination.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
As Trump CARDI.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Fredan not talk all the time?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Do you really think Tom Tillis sits at home at
night stresses about January sixth?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Still I think it bothers him a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
January sixth, a slightly spicy, unarmed protest. Do you think
that really gets to Tom Tillis? Of course, don't be
a naive. You know better than that. So if it's
not that, if he's lying about the reason, then why
well why is what matters most? And in fact we're
going to talk to ed here in a couple of minutes.
US attorney in that area. He is the shield that
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protects the system, that protects the swamp.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The shield.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's the rule that that particular position has played for
a long time. Sword and shield. And if you were
to actually get a reformer in there who really genuinely
wanted to drain the swamp, it would be disastrous, not
just for Democrats, for people like Tom Tillis. So once again,
when it came down to it and we were almost
(04:12):
ready to get something done, Establishment Republicans stuck their foot
in the doors so it couldn't close all the way
on communism. This happens because they're trying to protect the
criminal organization. They are very much a part of all
that may have made you uncomfortable. I hope it did,
(04:33):
but I am right now. Ed Martin will be a
very revealing interview about this, because Ed Martin was, as
you just heard, the man who was about to be
US Attorney until the GOP, not Democrats, the GOP stopped him.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What kind of a guy? Is Ed Martin?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
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Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, what is this whole DC attorney thing about? What
does he do? What kind of ugliness has taken place there?
We figured it's how we're doing a little special on
all this. It'd probably be appropriate to bring in friend
of the show and hardcore one of us ed Mark
Trump weaponizations are And now what is this new thing?
(06:28):
Associate Deputy Attorney General. I mean, I'm happy for him,
but I wish he was there draining the swamp as
US attorney in DC. Ed, I'm going to get over
my disappointment. Will you please explain what this DC attorney
role actually is for stupid people like me who don't
understand this DOJ court system.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But what do they do there?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Well, first of all, Jesse, thank you to you to
your so many viewers and listeners who were great about
fighting for me as we were going through. This confirmation
is great, and the process was the punishment. And here
we are, and you know, President Trump is good at this.
He kind of turns it around. And so you mentioned, look,
I have actually three hats to wear. Okay, so I've
got this hat. It's called an a DAG Associate Deputy
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Attorney General. And in the bureaucracy that's actually a pretty
cool spot. There's a lot of really talented people. The
cool thing about it, Jesse, is everybody there is a
Trump appointee and a hard charging guy. And we work
with like Amo Bove, who's been absolutely kicking tails. He's
actually the first among equals. He's actually the principal associated
a Deputy Attorney General. And then it's a good gig
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and everybody's got different areas that they take on. And
some folks are looking at the cartels and things, and
some of our US attorneys. My docket is this weaponization ZAR,
this working group. President Trump day one said, get after weaponization.
Pam Bondi on day one said, here's a list of
some things to do, and this working group started. We've
been in that Jack Smith, Catholics, being targeted, school boards,
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targeting parents, a whole list, and so we're getting after it.
And then the last thing I got put though, Jesse,
is this is for you, because I'm going to make
a retroactive pardon of Jesse Kelly all the crimes he
committed when he was in the Marine Corps, mostly off base.
Obviously he's pardoned, and I don't know if I have
that authority. I've got to look closer at the law.
But I mean, if Joe Biden could pardon everybody under
(08:18):
the sun, why can't I go back in time to
that time you left base and like don Imus, you know,
remember that don Imus incident. I know that happened to
you too, So anyway, so it's uh, but actually you
put these things together, Jesse, and we're running against the clock. Okay,
running against the clock to expose the truth and hold
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people accountable. And I know people are frustrated at the
speed that I agree. You should be pissed, you should
be honest all the time. But I'm in a position
now and in the Department of Justice to go after
the weaponization and to expose it and hold them accountable.
And I wish it happened faster. I wish I stayed
in my job as used attorney. But the President has
(09:00):
us loose on this. I have been let loose. I
don't have to be confirmed ever again. I'm not going
to do that, you know. I'll have to do it
because I couldn't get it done that time. And so
here we go, and I think people are going to
be happy with the results and it's going to be
important for the country.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I am curious with about eighteen different titles which
one goes on the official government business card.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You have to just pick the coolest one, right.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It's I think weaponization Zar, you know, because I got
accused of all this Russia stuff, so I figured go
right into it, and I tried. I walk into my house,
I said to my wife, you have to call me
general now, you know, because associated in general. I said,
General Martin and she said, it's not going to happen.
And I said, what about ZAR? And she said, well,
maybe we'll try ZAR out and see. So you know,
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there's the business card and then there's in your own
home what you can get away with, and so so
far a ZAR is carrying the day. Now, pardon Attorney,
I do walk around the streets and I say pardon me,
pardon me, you know, just to get the people thinking
about the partner office.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know, I'm actually glad you brought that up for
a couple of different reasons. One, I probably am going
to need those pardons from my Marine Corps days and
I'll send you with this afterwards. It's going to be
fair the extensive. But Two, the Joe Biden pardons, they
are on people's minds because it's obvious that it wasn't
Joe Biden doing these things. Record pardons of some of
(10:22):
the most detestable scumbags we have.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
In our country.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I'm not naive. I don't think those pardons are
going to be undone. But is there anything that can
be done?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well, Look, one thing is this, The pardon power is plenary.
If people don't like it. We have to amend the constitution.
In other words, the pardon power is the president gets
to pardon, and I think that's real. But it's a
different question about the conduct the way pardons were done.
In other words, a pardon power, a pardon properly done
is plenary. It's complete and all that. But if there
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was fraud involved, if there was something a reason that
had happened, that would be something you'd question. And we
saw something that no one's ever seen. Look, Donald Trump
has done historic stuff. And then people say, we've never
seen a president who tweets or who does this and
that other thing. What Joe Biden. The unprecedented nature of
what he did back in time, blanket pardons for any
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crime fourteen years, This is not normal. And he did
it over areas that we see major questions, the pardons
over COVID, blanket partons over the COVID stuff. You know, again,
at a certain point you say, might be plenary, might
be allowed, but it looks like it's covering things up right.
It looks like we've got some conflicts. So again, we
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are not supposed to be whimps. I know, Jesse, you
know this we're not supposed to be you know, you know,
silly about being soft. We should ask questions if you
do stuff that's unprecedented. We should ask questions. When the
when the EPA transferred six point seven billion dollars with
a bee to a nonprofit that was created in the
last year by three other nonprofits that are wholly sub
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subsidiaries of three other nonprofits, you say to yourself, largest
transfer of wealth in the history of America to a
nonprofit that looks like a shell set of companies. Isn't criminal?
Not sure yet, but we ought to ask questions. Same
thing with the Partons, right. And so here's what we know.
Under Joe Biden, we had the government used as a
weapon to destroy our citizens in a way. This isn't politicization.
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This is weaponized against the citizens. And so we've got
a responsibility. The President said, go and get it, and
we're going to expose it. We're going to hold people accountable.
And by the way, Jesse and they don't want me
to do this. They want me to say this next part.
If you got taken to the woodshed by weaponization of
the government, you should be healed. Now they're like Tom
Tillis said, are you for reparations? I said, I'm not
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for reparations. It's a stupid term that they use regarding slavery.
What I am for is that the government destroys someone,
they should have to clean it up. And it's not
just Stocken Page getting a million dollars because Biden is
in charge and they just want to pay them. I'm
talking about if you sit in jail for three and
a half years because Lisi Monico lied and the fifteen
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twelve charge was a lie, then you ought to probably
be able to say, what can I do to figure
out where not just to get my life back, to
get my life back together. I think that's real, and
I think that we need. The present is saying hey,
we're going to put it all together and try to
make government trustworthy and do the right things. And that's
what we're getting after.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I'm glad you brought that up to ED because a
lot of people did add their lives destroyed by that
DC court system. And something that I found just so
odd was Tom Tillis. Obviously I'm not a fan, as
everybody knows, but Tom Tillis cited January sixth and your
position on it specifically as the reason why he didn't
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want you in there, even said, well, I'd be fine
if he was anywhere else except for DC. What in
the world about January sixth stuck in his cross so
badly that that's the reason we can't have ed Martin here?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well, I'll answer two ways, and I you know, I
probably again, I'm not good at this jesse, you know,
in terms of being politically correct or if I'm supposed
to behave or something. But look two things, and one,
as a lawyer, as someone who cares about fighting, and
I have to be a lawyer fighting for people who
are getting wronged. You're supposed to be allowed to do that.
It doesn't mean that I agree with everything they said.
It doesn't mean and I agree with everything everybody did.
(14:22):
You know, when someone punches a cop, you should get
in trouble, you should be prosecuted. I got no problem
with that. But the rest of this rhetoric about things
and what Tom tillis and others, often when you listen
to them, you say, you guys are subscribing to a reality.
I can't see that. That looks like a hoax. And
the hoax is that January sixth was everyone there was
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an insurrectionist that deserves to be judged as an insurrectionist. A.
That's not America, and B it's not true. And so
I see these guys and they say everybody who went
in that capital deserves what they got. Well, as you know,
Jesse cops were law enforce. Was the man they were
welcoming them in. They were you know, you you can't
act like that. But they they believe the hoax of
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January sixth. And why do they believe the hoax of
January sixth? That's pretty easy. As soon as January sixth happened,
the media spent hundreds of millions of dollars. Liz Cheney
in her Select Committee spent hundreds of millions of dollars.
The whole place spent hundreds of millions of dollars. People
were tried and put in jail to say it was
what they said it was, and it was a lie.
And the fact is we broke through it, and a
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lie is clearer. But a whole lot of people are
under the spell of the j six hoax, and when
you meet them, you're like, you can't be serious, and
they are serious. We had to break the hoax by
the way, but we also have to not let the
people that were destroyed and being damaged by the hoax damaged.
And one minute.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More, and what is I understand?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Things take time, as you mentioned, draining the swamp takes time.
It took decades to get here. You can't clean it
up overnight. So what is a realistic expectation from people
watching myself included, who want criminals inside of the government arrested.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm thrilled with.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
The newest cartel guy going to prison. Yeah, I mean,
throw the pedophiles of the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
For all I care.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
All that stuff sounds great, But if people have committed
crimes with either party for any reason with their government position,
for me, that's as serious as any crime on the
planet because you're taking a responsibility and you're abusing people's
rights with it. But is it realistic to think we're
going to see government people go to prison in the
next four years?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah? Yes, the answer is yes. And here's what I say.
Number One, everybody who's watching, and including you, Jesse, don't
stop being pissed at the speed we need to be faster.
So don't stop even at me, even at the good
guys right, and everybody. I agree with it because we're
running against the clock. The clock is used against us.
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The article three courts are you they slow us down.
And I can tell you, as a prosecutor, you're looking
at this, You're saying this case is going to take
eighteen months, and you're thinking eighteen months from now, how
are we going to be able to win the battle
for the future of the country. So my might be
mad about the timing. I just would say this, I'm
in this and I'm not. You know, I don't care
about being spit at. I mean, it's it's you know,
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last week. But I can tell you we get I
get threats against me and my family and all and
everybody does. It goes into this and so at this
level and where we are, it's worth it because it's
now or never. I mean, Jesse, you've written a book
on this. You do it all the time. It's now
or never. And so yes, we want to drag them
out when they're bad guys in cuffs, but we also
have to realize every day that they are. Todd Blanche
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is the real deal. That's the dag. He's the real deal.
All day long, he's looking at ways to get at
these people. He's they try to destroy his client and him.
You know, he represented Trump and so just I guess
trust me is one way to say it, but more
and more importantly, you know, look Reagan said trust and
verify about the Soviets. I say, when it comes to government,
all of you should distrust and verify. Distrust everything even
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we say and verify it. Make us show you what
we're doing. But just remember it's I think there's three
parts of this. One is to to name and shame.
And I did a press confience. They said you can't
do that. I said, watch me, name and shame. I mean,
these guys are scum, the guys like Brannan and Shift
that these people are destroying the country. Name and shame,
and I know what you're gonna say next. The next one, though,
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is hold them accountable. And we have to. We have
to arrest people, we have to charge them, we have
to have sophisticated trials. If it's got to be rico,
we've got to get there and it has to come.
I'm with you, but it's coming, it's not not there.
And then the last thing is we got to heal
each other and the people that have been really damaged.
That's you know, it's now or never for America. That's
what's at stake. And all I can say is, I'll
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come on your show any time you want, and I'll
say to people, look, here's where we are, Here's what's
going on. I gotta tell you, like Bongino, Bongino got
in office. And when Bongino got in, I can tell
you the energy of the FBI, the urgency to start
getting stuff done changed one hundredfold. And every time I
talk to him, he's on this stuff so not fast.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Everybody wants a rest. I'm just telling you it's harder
than you think to get control and to get these
things going. You don't come in and go you're all
fired and let's go. You're dealing. It's treachery all the time.
We're behind enemy lines. Jesse. It's like being in VC,
France and I'm a Jedburgh and Bongino's a Jedburg and
we're signaling to each other trying to fight through this.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's what it's like, Ed Steak, because I'm me next
time I come to DC. Very few people have an
open invitation on this show, but general since you're a
general now you most definitely do. I appreciate you very much.
Talk sooner, brother, All right, I love that guy. Let's
talk to Mike Bens. He knows a little bit about
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Speaker 2 (20:56):
Look, I've talked to.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You before many times about the GOP and GOP specifically senators,
and you can tell what their real role is.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's controlled opposition.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
They're there to pretend to oppose all this communist filth,
but right when it comes down to actually draining the
swamp or stopping something, that's when they step in and
then stop you from stopping it. They do it all
the time. For instance, the Doge cuts, all that Doze
stuff gets all.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Kinds of flashy headlines.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hey, fifty million dollars for tranny frogs and Zimbabwe, and
you're mad, and I'm mad. But they actually tried to
get those cuts through actual official cuts. You see twenty
six senators. Republican senators said, nah, keep funding it all,
twenty six of them.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Let you know what they really stand for.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Joining me now, someone who understands quite a bit about
how deep the swamp is.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know him already.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
His name is Mike Ben's, executive director of Foundation for
Freedom Online. Hey, Mike, why in the world would a
twenty six Republican senators want to keep funding tranny frogs
in some random country.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Their donors, their political lifelines. This has been the real
pillar of the Republican Party since the early twentieth century
has been the Chamber of Commerce. Companies, the international multinational
companies that are technically domiciled here but depend on the
battering ram of the Pentagon, the State Department, and the
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Central Intelligence Agency in order to preserve their markets, in
order to preserve their supply chains, in order to expand
their profit margins. And so this is why you had
this big USAID lobbying arm called the US Global Leadership Coalition,
which came together in the early nineteen nineties at the
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end of the Cold War, when the Cold War was over,
so the American people were saying, hey, there's no need
for NATO anymore, there's no need for USAID or at
least as large a function. There's no need for all
these State Department grants because the Cold War is over.
We're supposed to be having a peace dividend. And it
was right at that time that's something called the US
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Global Leadership Coalition formed, which is today sort of the
largest lobbying arm for USAID on the on the US Congress,
and they work with both sides of the political art aisle.
They're partnered with the US Chamber of commerce, and what
you see here are Republicans who are beholding to multinational
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corporations rather than to the nation here, the United States
of America.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mike, can you lay out exactly what kind and I'm
talking about amounts of donations we're talking about, and I
say it this way. Let me let me preface it
with this, It takes a ton of money to run
for United States Senate John corn and that loser, he's
going to run for Senate again next year in Texas.
It's going to be thirty forty million dollars. I realized
that's a lot of money, so that it must cost
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a lot of money to buy United States Senator.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Right, Well, they're pretty cheap. Actually, if you there's some
great quotes I can't remember how how that. I don't
want to miss misquote them, but there's some great quotes
about how cheap it is to buy Congress. But the
fact is is, you know, there is a huge lobbying pot.
Everyone knows when they see, for example, military contractors or
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big energy companies or big pharma companies who come in
and buy for example, the media sponsored by Pfizer. We
saw constantly during media hits on Fox News or MSNBC.
We see all these corporate interests are the same groups
that go in and provide the big lobbying base for
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Congress as well. For example, even folks like George Soros,
who was the largest single donor to the Democrats. George
Soros runs massive hedge funds and private equity funds like
the famously the Quantum Fund where he really got his start,
and these invest in portfolio companies. For example, George Soros
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invested in Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company for oil and gas refining.
What you see is there is this giant pot. The
maximum individual contribution is only a couple thousand dollars from
an individual, but if you have multinational corporations, they can
put millions of dollars into a super pac and that
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money is thousands of times in order of magnitude of
what an individual can do in their individual capacity. And
so this is effectively what we see here. We saw
these multinational corporations clamor for more USAID funding because USAID
opens their markets for them. It's like a subsidy. It's
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like a subsidized business. When we pay for transgender dance
festivals in Bangladesh in order to overthrow a government who
is placing caps on the amount of petroleum that they're
sharing with the US or preventing the installation of US
military base there because that country is cracking down on
the transgender population. Well, that ends up manifesting as a
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back channel conversation between the petroleum and the military companies
with the Biden administration. The Biden administration then task groups
like IRI and the National down for Democracy and USAID
to then work with the transgender population. There fun transgender
dance festivals as well. You'll see this in USA spending
dot gov in the grant list, and then work with
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them to mobilize street protests, to do demonstrations, to create
human rights violations predicates in order to oust that government.
That's exactly what we saw happen, for example in that country.
With the documents that I published originally came from the
Gray Zone in just write the the waning months of
the Biden administration that this is how this is, so
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you can understand, this is to profit these multinational corporations
who represent the donor drafter overclass of the guts of
our government.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's so ugly, So a lot of this what you're
saying is a lot of this international LGBTQ activism garbage
that is funded by USAID is actually about something else.
It's about money, It's about US influence, and we're funding
these things to destabilize governments who have angered US.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, they don't give a flying fig about lgbt I mean,
there are some true believers, but they don't really represent
the senior class of the US State Department or the
US Intelligence community or the US Pentagon. It's very cynical
and self serving. Will they will immediately subsidize and pay
for the most extreme anti lgbt groups in the world.
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When it suits their purpose. They will fund, for example,
the Taliban, they will fund Isis, they will fund Al Qaeda,
they will find I mean, this is what we saw
literally the US Institute of Peace doing this, and we
saw one hundred and twenty two million dollars or something
to that effect from USAID funding these groups who are
not exactly lgbtq's best friend. What you see. And same
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thing with Nazism. You know, they talk all this stuff
about fascism and Nazism being the threats, and then they'll
turn around and fund the ash Off Battalion. If it's
geopolitically useful against the Russians and to seize control over
the energy market in Eurasia.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I want to talk about the Ed Martin thing because
I was hot on this. I know you were hot
on this. What was it about Ed Martin? I mean,
it's US attorney. It's a big deal, but it's just
one area. What was it about Ed Martin that was
a bridge so far that GOP senators like Tom Tillis
would actually risk the wrath of Donald Trump to stop him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Why.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Well, d C happens to be the home court jurisdiction
of the swamp. The fact is is the d C,
you know, the DC district courts are where all of
the Trump related litigation, as in terms of his government
policies are litigated. This is why the Chief Justice Boseburg
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has become such a a villainous figure to the MAGA
policy implementation, is because the d C courts are where
d C executive orders and d C activity is litigated.
So if you are going to, for example, take on
Trump's executive order about opening the border wall, well that's
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not going to be litigated in Arizona and Texas. That's
going to be litigated in d C. And the fact
is is therefore, who who is on the other side
presenting to the judge in these is extremely critical for
implementing Trump agenda. You need someone who is going to
represent to those justices a full and zealous case for
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the government's position. And Ed Martin was a fighter through
and through. One of the things you know. Ed Martin
talked about the Transition Integrity Project just on Tucker Carlson
this week, and was hot on the entire Georgetown law
nexus and the domestic Color Revolution plotting that was being
done by Rosa Brooks and the whole cabal out of
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Georgetown with Mary McCord. The fact is is these networks
are a check on trump Ism. And I think Tom
Tillis jumped on the grenade. But the fact is, as
you put on that list of twenty six other folks
in the US Congress, I think that there were several
other senators who were having back channel conversations with Tom
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Tillis so that he would jump on the grenade and
they would be relatively clean. John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
could have removed and replaced Tom Tillis from the committee
in order to get a floor vote if he had
wanted to, but he did not want to do that
same thing we saw with others. John Cornyn initially, I believe,
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was resistant to saying that he would support ed Martin.
And then once it became clear that Tom Tillis was
going to jump on the grenade and block it out
of the committee, John corn said, if it comes to
the floor, I'll vote on it. But you never saw
John Cornyn actually speak out against Tom Tillis's vote or
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put pressure in order to change that vote. So I
think you have essentially this internationalist blob class of Republicans
who are it was actually jumped on. You allowed Tom
Tillis to be the fall guy for this, but they
all wanted that as well. They did not want someone
who was going to go after corruption at usaid, they
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did not want someone who was going to go after
the bipartisan corrupt elements of the swamp. Because again even
something of the Transition Integrity Project, that domestic Color Revolution
coup simulator where they literally simulated invoking a breakdown on
January sixth, and then having Black Lives Matter serve as
paramilitary street muscle, as if we were funding some coast
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of ar paramilitary group in order to fight the Slovana
Melosovich in Serbian the nineteen nineties. These were the analogies
that they were giving that we would effectively fund anti
fund Black Lives Matter right after the George Floyd riots.
It just happened. They were still playing out when they
were doing these simulations. And this all serves as a
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check on trump Ism, which is what these international republicans want.
They want to get back in the Nicky Haley box.
They want to get back on the George hw Bush,
the George Bush, the John McCain, Mitt Romney, Nicky Hayley box.
They want to go back to coke and pepsi in
terms of your only choices as a US voter, and
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all these aspects of bipartisan approved corruption that Trump is
trying to clean up. They don't want that cleaned. And
so they want someone in there who is not as aggressive,
who is not as tuned in, And so they got
rid of be Ed Martin.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Mike Well, I could go on and on and on
with you about this, but I want to make sure
we talk about this angle of it. I do the
best I can not to make myself sound like a
complete quack but when I look at the two assassination
attempts of Donald Trump, and I look at the circumstances
around it, particularly the quick destruction of evidence on the
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first assassination attempt, from spraying off the roof to cremating the.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Body right away. Mike, I'll just come right out and
say it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I believe elements inside of the United States government were
involved in the attempted assassination of the Republican nominee for
President of the United States of America. You're welcome to
hang up right away if you think I'm a nutball,
But does that sound crazy to you?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
It doesn't sound crazy to me. I think that that
is a very considerable probability. The fact is is all
it would take is advance knowledge and allowing it to happen.
It would not take necessarily recruiting people to do it,
if they simply had advanced knowledge from informants or from
surveillance that these attacks are going to play out. All
(34:26):
it would take would be somebody inside the Biden DHS
or Biden FBI or Biden Justice Department or Biden CIA
to say, hmm, we've been tipped off about this. Let's
let's sit on this one and then simply have a
few backchannel conversations, keep it tight hold. But the fact is,
(34:47):
as I think that we've talked about, both of these
shooters ran right through aspects of federal law enforcement and
Biden admin intelligence worlds. On the law enforcement side, was
reported by I believe the New York Post that Matthew
Thomas Crooks was training at the very same gun range
(35:08):
as dhs HSI DHSHSI, who was actively recruiting and infiltrating
Trump group Trump movement groups during January sixth. There's the
famous case of Jeremy Brown from the Oathkeepers to dhs
HSI agents arrived at his home about a month before
January sixth and actively recruited him, threatened him that if
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he did not, as a Green Beret, join up with
join up with HSI and become an informant, that he
could have problems, but those problems would go away and
he might be able to make some money from it
if he became an informant HSI. We later learned from Congress,
or at least testimony was published in a Congressional letter
on this that HSI agents reportedly replaced almost half of
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the Secret Service agents at the Butler Rally, we're told
because Secret Service had a diminished force because they were
split between the NATO summit and a Jill Biden trip.
So HSI is training at the Matthew Thomas Crooks gun range.
All that would have taken is for them to see
this Matthew Thomas Crooks guy putting a Trump face, for example,
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on a Trump bullet or talking to guys at the
gun range, and then you've got an HSI connection there.
HSI would have been in position to allow the shot
to go through to the extent that they replaced Secret
Service agents that day. So this whole thing could have
been in house with four or five people simply allowing
it to happen. On Ryan Routh caase it's even crazier.
(36:37):
Ryan Routh was a part of a five oh one
C three Ukraine nonprofit network, the exact nonprofit network that
is such a big part of the USAID presence in Ukraine.
It was called the Volunteer Center of Ukraine. That he
gave his card to Customs and Border Patrol in twenty
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twenty three that he was the director of. They've denied that,
but it was on his business card that he handed
to Customs and Border Patrol. Customs and Border Patrol then
referred an investigation on Ryan Routh in twenty twenty three
to dhs HSI and according to Customs and Border Patrol,
DHSHSI quote refused to investigate, not declined, refused to investigate
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Ryan Routh. Now, Ryan Routh at the time was recruiting thousands,
at least five thousand by his own numbers, of terrorist
and extremist militia fighters from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and Iran.
Now all four of those are highly CIA inflected geopolitical
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conflict zones with intense US military and intelligence pressure and
infiltration of various militant networks there. And he was trawling
WhatsApp and telegram to get the front and back of
over five thousand passports of jihadi fighters in order to
back channel with the US Embassy in Kiev the ability
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to provide an increased military support for the US Pentagon
in Ukraine. So that these fighters who who the CIA
was backing when they were called the Mujahadeen in the
nineteen seventies and eighties, now they're al Qaeda and Isis.
So that they just just as they fought the Russians
during the Cold War, they would come back and fight
the Russians in Ukraine just as they were bombing the
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Russians were told when Isis claimed responsibility for the attack
inside of Russia just last year that killed one hundred
and thirty five people at a Saint Petersburg theater. So
the fact is this is a CIA network, this is
a Pentagon network. This was flagged at DHS and they
did nothing. And you know, this guy is a part
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of a sort of usaight adjacent five oh one C
three in Ukraine. I mean, it's like every single every
single object on the pinball machine of the US intelligence state.
This guy just went bing bing bing bing bing through
the whole thing for years and then he ends up
being the guy who's parked behind a bush at the
Trump golf course, you know, to take a clean shot
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on the US President.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Good Mike, I have to ask you before I let
you go. I know, it's a lot, it's a tight
knot to untied.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's going to take time. I get that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Do you think we're going to be able to untie
at least a chunk of this during Trump's four years
with guys like Ed Martin now in place. Do you
think we have a chance at getting some of this
not just exposed but accounted for.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Some of it and a lot of it is personnelist policy.
The fact that, for example, Pam Bondi has fired fifteen
of the j six prosecutors, the fact that we have
fired something like fourteen thousand folks at USAID, the fact
that these funding grants are going to force a diminished
capacity at the end stitutional level of many aspects of
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the blob if they go through. That's going to be
the question. This is why during the period between inauguration,
between election and inauguration, I kept stressing this concept of
the Senate snake in it, which was my belief that
the Senate would end up snaking the president, and that
much of White House strategy has to be geared towards
coalition building within those internationalist sides of the Republican blob,
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because as I saw it, the biggest threat was the
Republican side of the aisle, not the Democrat one. You
have the votes with a Republican held House and Senate.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
The issue is the.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Bush era, McCain era Nicky Hayley adjacent side of the GOP.
But that is going to be something that would be
continually negotiated. There's much more leverage now than there was
during the Paul Ryan speakership when there were almost no
Trump allies in Congress. Now, I would say somewhere between
fifty and seventy percent of the Republican Congress is more
(41:01):
or less fully behind Trump. But the fact is is
twenty five to thirty percent of the Republicans is enough
to form a coalition with the Democrats in order to
get their way on the budget, to get their way
on funding cuts. But you know, there's a lot of
tools in the toolkit, and I think that this admin
is serious about deploying as many as is necessary.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I said that was the last question, but I lied, Mike.
I just had to ask really quickly, do you believe
there are Republicans because I definitely believe this that are
just flat out blackmailed. I'm talking Netflix special blackmailed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Someone has something on them.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Look, when I hear ken Buck who's retiring from Congress,
he's retired.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Now when I hear.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Him who's about to retire, lovingly practically make out with
Christopher Ray during a hearing where Christopher Ray is supposed
to be held accountable. Honestly, I've listened to that clip
a thousand times. Mike, I hear somebody who has a
file on them.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
It's possible. I think that you can explain the exact
same set of facts, though in a I don't want
to say more benign because in a way it's it's
even more insidious, which is the simple economics of Congress.
You don't make a lot of money in Congress. I'm
actually not against significantly raising the pay of Congress because
I think the relatively low paid you have all of
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this power, and you're around people with so much money,
and you see yourself and you can't even afford private
school for your kids. While you are making these you know,
you're hobnobbing constantly all day with everyone who can. Everyone
else is a you know, a relatively secure financial life,
and here you are putting everything on the line if
you're a bold member of Congress or you want to
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do serious reform, and you know that the moment you leave,
you're already you know, not making a particularly high salary
given your influence and given the pressure on you. But
then on top of that, when you get out, what
are you going to do? For a job when you,
you know, have invested all of this in your career
(43:02):
and you've got no, you know, significant financial prospects unless
you convert that into something with the donor class. The
fact is is, I actually think that the relatively low
salary of Congress makes it so that it doesn't even
require blackmail. It simply requires financial incentives. You are incentivized
to do what Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and Pfizer and
(43:26):
you known name your company if it's if it's in
the censorship space, what Google and Microsoft or Meta want
you to do. What the telecom companies want you to do.
You become, as Joe Biden put it himself when he
was running for Senate at twenty nine years old, he
called himself a prostitute. That he had to prostitute himself
(43:46):
out to the credit card companies in Delaware. He had
to prostitute himself out as the poorest person in Congress.
And I think that you see this, and so simply
being economically beholden to your donors is to get you
to be pliant as a doormat, especially when these things
are morally justified by your allies and the media, and
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so it doesn't weigh on your consciousness heavily. But the
fact is is, I think those money networks have a
sufficient explanatory power, but I would not be surprised if
there were elements of blackmail and coercion as well.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Mike, as always, you're the best brother. Come back soon, please.
All right, we have final thoughts. It's going to say
light in the mood, but there's nothing light about this.
Let's do some final thoughts next. How'd you sleep last night? Good?
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Bad?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Is that a consistent thing for you? Or is sleep
a struggle? Listen, Sleep's a struggle for people.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I know you.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Look, there's a million pharmaceuticals you can get. Doctor will
prescribe you something. Hey, take this, she'll put you to sleep.
Or walk in any pharmacy over the counter stuff there.
You take this to sleep, Take this to sleep. What
do all those things have in common?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You've tried them. What do they have in common? You'll sleep?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
When you wake up you feel like garbage every single time.
The only thing I've ever taken in my life to
sleep that had me waking up feeling rested and refreshed
is dream powder from Beam.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's the only thing I've ever had. It's a cup
of hot chocolate.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Delicious hot chocolate, mind you, but it's got a bunch
of natural things. And that's really the difference, isn't it.
It's natural sleep in a way. Go to shopbeam dot
com slash Jesse Kelly and try it. Shotbeam dot com
slash Jesse Kelly. All Right, so I'm gonna say something
(45:52):
that'd probably.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Make you mad.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's gonna make me mad as we finish things up here.
It does take time. It takes time to take apart
any criminal organization. You don't snap your fingers and make
it happen. If you're going after the Gambino crime family,
you're not gonna get indictments next week.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
You're not. Takes time.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
When the criminal organization is the United States government, it's
going to take us time. That doesn't mean be patient,
just means understand it's going to take time. But as
you heard Ed Martin say earlier in the show, demand
they go faster, even when sometimes you understand why.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
They're not going faster.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Still whip them all the time, faster, more arrests. That's
what we demand. Stay on them, you can save the country.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
We'll do it again.
All right, let's talk about the swamp. We love calling
it the swamp, but here's the truth. The United States
government is the largest criminal organization on the planet. Now,
this did not happen overnight, and this is not a
permanent state of affairs, Lord Willing, but decades and decades
and decades of negligence from us, the citizen. We have
(00:31):
to own it. Myself included negligence from us. We didn't
care enough about politics or primaries. It has created this
system where Washington, DC really is a den of corruption,
where these people blood suck money from the taxpayer, you,
from me, and hand it out to each other. They
hand it to their friends, they hand it to their allies.
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And what is it that criminal organizations fear the most?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
They fear in.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Filtration, being exposed, and being held accountable. There's a reason
mob bosses won't speak on the phone with their members anymore.
They have to walk and cover their mouth and have
whispered conversations. That exact same thing is at work inside
of the United States government. You see the reason the
swamp has not drained, even though you want it drained,
(01:22):
even though Trump wants it drained, is there is a
cabal there. Well, now you're probably thinking about Democrats, but
set them aside. Democrats don't have the House, they don't
have the Senate.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
We do.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
But you see the established people, the people who've been
there a long time, most of them the Tom Tillis's
of the world. They don't see themselves as opposing Democrats
or fighting for you. They know how they have to
lie to you about that, but that's not how they
see themselves at all.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
They see themselves as.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Knowing they have to pretend they'll oppose Democrats, but in
reality they are there to protect the criminal organization from prosecution.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Remember what Tom Tillis said.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
It was so revealing about why he opposed Ed Martin
for US Attorney.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Here he was, he is, I don't believe he's being
in advanced to the markup.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
And I met with mister Martin.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
He seems like a good man. Most of my concerns
related to January sixth, and he built a compelling case
on some of the fifteen twelve prosecutions that were probably
heat of the moment, bad decisions. But where we probably
have a difference is I think anybody that reached the
perimeter should have been in prison for some period of time.
(02:39):
Whether it's thirty days or three years is debatable. But
I have no tolerance for anybody who entered the building
on January the sixth, and that's probably where most of
the friction was.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
If mister Martin were being put forth.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
As a US attorney for any district except the district
where January six happened, the protest happened, I probably support them,
but not in this district. At this point, indicated to
the White House, I wouldn't support his nomination.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
As Trump CARDI.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Fredan not talk all the time?
Speaker 2 (03:10):
Why do you think that is?
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Do you really think Tom Tillis sits at home at
night stresses about January sixth?
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Still I think it bothers him a lot.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
January sixth, a slightly spicy, unarmed protest. Do you think
that really gets to Tom Tillis? Of course, don't be
a naive. You know better than that. So if it's
not that, if he's lying about the reason, then why
well why is what matters most? And in fact we're
going to talk to ed here in a couple of minutes.
US attorney in that area. He is the shield that
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protects the system, that protects the swamp.
Speaker 2 (03:49):
The shield.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
That's the rule that that particular position has played for
a long time. Sword and shield. And if you were
to actually get a reformer in there who really genuinely
wanted to drain the swamp, it would be disastrous, not
just for Democrats, for people like Tom Tillis. So once again,
when it came down to it and we were almost
(04:12):
ready to get something done, Establishment Republicans stuck their foot
in the doors so it couldn't close all the way
on communism. This happens because they're trying to protect the
criminal organization. They are very much a part of all
that may have made you uncomfortable. I hope it did,
(04:33):
but I am right now. Ed Martin will be a
very revealing interview about this, because Ed Martin was, as
you just heard, the man who was about to be
US Attorney until the GOP, not Democrats, the GOP stopped him.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
What kind of a guy? Is Ed Martin?
Speaker 1 (04:50):
Just some dangerous person? Let's talk to him next. I
love feeling good. It's kind of a dumb thing to say, though,
isn't it. Everybody loves feeling good? But I feel so
much better now than I used to. Why what am
(05:11):
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Speaker 2 (05:20):
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Speaker 2 (05:40):
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Speaker 1 (06:06):
Well, what is this whole DC attorney thing about? What
does he do? What kind of ugliness has taken place there?
We figured it's how we're doing a little special on
all this. It'd probably be appropriate to bring in friend
of the show and hardcore one of us ed Mark
Trump weaponizations are And now what is this new thing?
(06:28):
Associate Deputy Attorney General. I mean, I'm happy for him,
but I wish he was there draining the swamp as
US attorney in DC. Ed, I'm going to get over
my disappointment. Will you please explain what this DC attorney
role actually is for stupid people like me who don't
understand this DOJ court system.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
But what do they do there?
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Well, first of all, Jesse, thank you to you to
your so many viewers and listeners who were great about
fighting for me as we were going through. This confirmation
is great, and the process was the punishment. And here
we are, and you know, President Trump is good at this.
He kind of turns it around. And so you mentioned, look,
I have actually three hats to wear. Okay, so I've
got this hat. It's called an a DAG Associate Deputy
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Attorney General. And in the bureaucracy that's actually a pretty
cool spot. There's a lot of really talented people. The
cool thing about it, Jesse, is everybody there is a
Trump appointee and a hard charging guy. And we work
with like Amo Bove, who's been absolutely kicking tails. He's
actually the first among equals. He's actually the principal associated
a Deputy Attorney General. And then it's a good gig
(07:34):
and everybody's got different areas that they take on. And
some folks are looking at the cartels and things, and
some of our US attorneys. My docket is this weaponization ZAR,
this working group. President Trump day one said, get after weaponization.
Pam Bondi on day one said, here's a list of
some things to do, and this working group started. We've
been in that Jack Smith, Catholics, being targeted, school boards,
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targeting parents, a whole list, and so we're getting after it.
And then the last thing I got put though, Jesse,
is this is for you, because I'm going to make
a retroactive pardon of Jesse Kelly all the crimes he
committed when he was in the Marine Corps, mostly off base.
Obviously he's pardoned, and I don't know if I have
that authority. I've got to look closer at the law.
But I mean, if Joe Biden could pardon everybody under
(08:18):
the sun, why can't I go back in time to
that time you left base and like don Imus, you know,
remember that don Imus incident. I know that happened to
you too, So anyway, so it's uh, but actually you
put these things together, Jesse, and we're running against the clock. Okay,
running against the clock to expose the truth and hold
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people accountable. And I know people are frustrated at the
speed that I agree. You should be pissed, you should
be honest all the time. But I'm in a position
now and in the Department of Justice to go after
the weaponization and to expose it and hold them accountable.
And I wish it happened faster. I wish I stayed
in my job as used attorney. But the President has
(09:00):
us loose on this. I have been let loose. I
don't have to be confirmed ever again. I'm not going
to do that, you know. I'll have to do it
because I couldn't get it done that time. And so
here we go, and I think people are going to
be happy with the results and it's going to be
important for the country.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No, I love it.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
And I am curious with about eighteen different titles which
one goes on the official government business card.
Speaker 2 (09:22):
You have to just pick the coolest one, right.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It's I think weaponization Zar, you know, because I got
accused of all this Russia stuff, so I figured go
right into it, and I tried. I walk into my house,
I said to my wife, you have to call me
general now, you know, because associated in general. I said,
General Martin and she said, it's not going to happen.
And I said, what about ZAR? And she said, well,
maybe we'll try ZAR out and see. So you know,
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there's the business card and then there's in your own
home what you can get away with, and so so
far a ZAR is carrying the day. Now, pardon Attorney,
I do walk around the streets and I say pardon me,
pardon me, you know, just to get the people thinking
about the partner office.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You know, I'm actually glad you brought that up for
a couple of different reasons. One, I probably am going
to need those pardons from my Marine Corps days and
I'll send you with this afterwards. It's going to be
fair the extensive. But Two, the Joe Biden pardons, they
are on people's minds because it's obvious that it wasn't
Joe Biden doing these things. Record pardons of some of
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the most detestable scumbags we have.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
In our country.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
And I'm not naive. I don't think those pardons are
going to be undone. But is there anything that can
be done?
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Well, Look, one thing is this, The pardon power is plenary.
If people don't like it. We have to amend the constitution.
In other words, the pardon power is the president gets
to pardon, and I think that's real. But it's a
different question about the conduct the way pardons were done.
In other words, a pardon power, a pardon properly done
is plenary. It's complete and all that. But if there
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was fraud involved, if there was something a reason that
had happened, that would be something you'd question. And we
saw something that no one's ever seen. Look, Donald Trump
has done historic stuff. And then people say, we've never
seen a president who tweets or who does this and
that other thing. What Joe Biden. The unprecedented nature of
what he did back in time, blanket pardons for any
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crime fourteen years, This is not normal. And he did
it over areas that we see major questions, the pardons
over COVID, blanket partons over the COVID stuff. You know, again,
at a certain point you say, might be plenary, might
be allowed, but it looks like it's covering things up right.
It looks like we've got some conflicts. So again, we
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are not supposed to be whimps. I know, Jesse, you
know this we're not supposed to be you know, you know,
silly about being soft. We should ask questions if you
do stuff that's unprecedented. We should ask questions. When the
when the EPA transferred six point seven billion dollars with
a bee to a nonprofit that was created in the
last year by three other nonprofits that are wholly sub
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subsidiaries of three other nonprofits, you say to yourself, largest
transfer of wealth in the history of America to a
nonprofit that looks like a shell set of companies. Isn't criminal?
Not sure yet, but we ought to ask questions. Same
thing with the Partons, right. And so here's what we know.
Under Joe Biden, we had the government used as a
weapon to destroy our citizens in a way. This isn't politicization.
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This is weaponized against the citizens. And so we've got
a responsibility. The President said, go and get it, and
we're going to expose it. We're going to hold people accountable.
And by the way, Jesse and they don't want me
to do this. They want me to say this next part.
If you got taken to the woodshed by weaponization of
the government, you should be healed. Now they're like Tom
Tillis said, are you for reparations? I said, I'm not
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for reparations. It's a stupid term that they use regarding slavery.
What I am for is that the government destroys someone,
they should have to clean it up. And it's not
just Stocken Page getting a million dollars because Biden is
in charge and they just want to pay them. I'm
talking about if you sit in jail for three and
a half years because Lisi Monico lied and the fifteen
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twelve charge was a lie, then you ought to probably
be able to say, what can I do to figure
out where not just to get my life back, to
get my life back together. I think that's real, and
I think that we need. The present is saying hey,
we're going to put it all together and try to
make government trustworthy and do the right things. And that's
what we're getting after.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
I'm glad you brought that up to ED because a
lot of people did add their lives destroyed by that
DC court system. And something that I found just so
odd was Tom Tillis. Obviously I'm not a fan, as
everybody knows, but Tom Tillis cited January sixth and your
position on it specifically as the reason why he didn't
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want you in there, even said, well, I'd be fine
if he was anywhere else except for DC. What in
the world about January sixth stuck in his cross so
badly that that's the reason we can't have ed Martin here?
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Well, I'll answer two ways, and I you know, I
probably again, I'm not good at this jesse, you know,
in terms of being politically correct or if I'm supposed
to behave or something. But look two things, and one,
as a lawyer, as someone who cares about fighting, and
I have to be a lawyer fighting for people who
are getting wronged. You're supposed to be allowed to do that.
It doesn't mean that I agree with everything they said.
It doesn't mean and I agree with everything everybody did.
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You know, when someone punches a cop, you should get
in trouble, you should be prosecuted. I got no problem
with that. But the rest of this rhetoric about things
and what Tom tillis and others, often when you listen
to them, you say, you guys are subscribing to a reality.
I can't see that. That looks like a hoax. And
the hoax is that January sixth was everyone there was
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an insurrectionist that deserves to be judged as an insurrectionist. A.
That's not America, and B it's not true. And so
I see these guys and they say everybody who went
in that capital deserves what they got. Well, as you know,
Jesse cops were law enforce. Was the man they were
welcoming them in. They were you know, you you can't
act like that. But they they believe the hoax of
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January sixth. And why do they believe the hoax of
January sixth? That's pretty easy. As soon as January sixth happened,
the media spent hundreds of millions of dollars. Liz Cheney
in her Select Committee spent hundreds of millions of dollars.
The whole place spent hundreds of millions of dollars. People
were tried and put in jail to say it was
what they said it was, and it was a lie.
And the fact is we broke through it, and a
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lie is clearer. But a whole lot of people are
under the spell of the j six hoax, and when
you meet them, you're like, you can't be serious, and
they are serious. We had to break the hoax by
the way, but we also have to not let the
people that were destroyed and being damaged by the hoax damaged.
And one minute.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
More, and what is I understand?
Speaker 1 (15:47):
Things take time, as you mentioned, draining the swamp takes time.
It took decades to get here. You can't clean it
up overnight. So what is a realistic expectation from people
watching myself included, who want criminals inside of the government arrested.
Speaker 2 (16:02):
I'm thrilled with.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
The newest cartel guy going to prison. Yeah, I mean,
throw the pedophiles of the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
For all I care.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
All that stuff sounds great, But if people have committed
crimes with either party for any reason with their government position,
for me, that's as serious as any crime on the
planet because you're taking a responsibility and you're abusing people's
rights with it. But is it realistic to think we're
going to see government people go to prison in the
next four years?
Speaker 4 (16:27):
Yeah? Yes, the answer is yes. And here's what I say.
Number One, everybody who's watching, and including you, Jesse, don't
stop being pissed at the speed we need to be faster.
So don't stop even at me, even at the good
guys right, and everybody. I agree with it because we're
running against the clock. The clock is used against us.
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The article three courts are you they slow us down.
And I can tell you, as a prosecutor, you're looking
at this, You're saying this case is going to take
eighteen months, and you're thinking eighteen months from now, how
are we going to be able to win the battle
for the future of the country. So my might be
mad about the timing. I just would say this, I'm
in this and I'm not. You know, I don't care
about being spit at. I mean, it's it's you know,
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last week. But I can tell you we get I
get threats against me and my family and all and
everybody does. It goes into this and so at this
level and where we are, it's worth it because it's
now or never. I mean, Jesse, you've written a book
on this. You do it all the time. It's now
or never. And so yes, we want to drag them
out when they're bad guys in cuffs, but we also
have to realize every day that they are. Todd Blanche
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is the real deal. That's the dag. He's the real deal.
All day long, he's looking at ways to get at
these people. He's they try to destroy his client and him.
You know, he represented Trump and so just I guess
trust me is one way to say it, but more
and more importantly, you know, look Reagan said trust and
verify about the Soviets. I say, when it comes to government,
all of you should distrust and verify. Distrust everything even
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we say and verify it. Make us show you what
we're doing. But just remember it's I think there's three
parts of this. One is to to name and shame.
And I did a press confience. They said you can't
do that. I said, watch me, name and shame. I mean,
these guys are scum, the guys like Brannan and Shift
that these people are destroying the country. Name and shame,
and I know what you're gonna say next. The next one, though,
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is hold them accountable. And we have to. We have
to arrest people, we have to charge them, we have
to have sophisticated trials. If it's got to be rico,
we've got to get there and it has to come.
I'm with you, but it's coming, it's not not there.
And then the last thing is we got to heal
each other and the people that have been really damaged.
That's you know, it's now or never for America. That's
what's at stake. And all I can say is, I'll
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come on your show any time you want, and I'll
say to people, look, here's where we are, Here's what's
going on. I gotta tell you, like Bongino, Bongino got
in office. And when Bongino got in, I can tell
you the energy of the FBI, the urgency to start
getting stuff done changed one hundredfold. And every time I
talk to him, he's on this stuff so not fast.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (19:00):
Everybody wants a rest. I'm just telling you it's harder
than you think to get control and to get these
things going. You don't come in and go you're all
fired and let's go. You're dealing. It's treachery all the time.
We're behind enemy lines. Jesse. It's like being in VC,
France and I'm a Jedburgh and Bongino's a Jedburg and
we're signaling to each other trying to fight through this.
Speaker 1 (19:21):
That's what it's like, Ed Steak, because I'm me next
time I come to DC. Very few people have an
open invitation on this show, but general since you're a
general now you most definitely do. I appreciate you very much.
Talk sooner, brother, All right, I love that guy. Let's
talk to Mike Bens. He knows a little bit about
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Why does Pure Talk give back to veterans when they
give back? But why because their CEO loves the United
States of America. And that's why I love Chalk. I'm
(20:26):
so tired of giving my business. I'm tired of giving
my money to companies who hate me and my values
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Speaker 2 (20:33):
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Speaker 2 (20:56):
Look, I've talked to.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
You before many times about the GOP and GOP specifically senators,
and you can tell what their real role is.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's controlled opposition.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
They're there to pretend to oppose all this communist filth,
but right when it comes down to actually draining the
swamp or stopping something, that's when they step in and
then stop you from stopping it. They do it all
the time. For instance, the Doge cuts, all that Doze
stuff gets all.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Kinds of flashy headlines.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
Hey, fifty million dollars for tranny frogs and Zimbabwe, and
you're mad, and I'm mad. But they actually tried to
get those cuts through actual official cuts. You see twenty
six senators. Republican senators said, nah, keep funding it all,
twenty six of them.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
Let you know what they really stand for.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
Joining me now, someone who understands quite a bit about
how deep the swamp is.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
You know him already.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
His name is Mike Ben's, executive director of Foundation for
Freedom Online. Hey, Mike, why in the world would a
twenty six Republican senators want to keep funding tranny frogs
in some random country.
Speaker 5 (22:08):
Their donors, their political lifelines. This has been the real
pillar of the Republican Party since the early twentieth century
has been the Chamber of Commerce. Companies, the international multinational
companies that are technically domiciled here but depend on the
battering ram of the Pentagon, the State Department, and the
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Central Intelligence Agency in order to preserve their markets, in
order to preserve their supply chains, in order to expand
their profit margins. And so this is why you had
this big USAID lobbying arm called the US Global Leadership Coalition,
which came together in the early nineteen nineties at the
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end of the Cold War, when the Cold War was over,
so the American people were saying, hey, there's no need
for NATO anymore, there's no need for USAID or at
least as large a function. There's no need for all
these State Department grants because the Cold War is over.
We're supposed to be having a peace dividend. And it
was right at that time that's something called the US
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Global Leadership Coalition formed, which is today sort of the
largest lobbying arm for USAID on the on the US Congress,
and they work with both sides of the political art aisle.
They're partnered with the US Chamber of commerce, and what
you see here are Republicans who are beholding to multinational
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corporations rather than to the nation here, the United States
of America.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Mike, can you lay out exactly what kind and I'm
talking about amounts of donations we're talking about, and I
say it this way. Let me let me preface it
with this, It takes a ton of money to run
for United States Senate John corn and that loser, he's
going to run for Senate again next year in Texas.
It's going to be thirty forty million dollars. I realized
that's a lot of money, so that it must cost
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a lot of money to buy United States Senator.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Right, Well, they're pretty cheap. Actually, if you there's some
great quotes I can't remember how how that. I don't
want to miss misquote them, but there's some great quotes
about how cheap it is to buy Congress. But the
fact is is, you know, there is a huge lobbying pot.
Everyone knows when they see, for example, military contractors or
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big energy companies or big pharma companies who come in
and buy for example, the media sponsored by Pfizer. We
saw constantly during media hits on Fox News or MSNBC.
We see all these corporate interests are the same groups
that go in and provide the big lobbying base for
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Congress as well. For example, even folks like George Soros,
who was the largest single donor to the Democrats. George
Soros runs massive hedge funds and private equity funds like
the famously the Quantum Fund where he really got his start,
and these invest in portfolio companies. For example, George Soros
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invested in Halliburton, Dick Cheney's company for oil and gas refining.
What you see is there is this giant pot. The
maximum individual contribution is only a couple thousand dollars from
an individual, but if you have multinational corporations, they can
put millions of dollars into a super pac and that
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money is thousands of times in order of magnitude of
what an individual can do in their individual capacity. And
so this is effectively what we see here. We saw
these multinational corporations clamor for more USAID funding because USAID
opens their markets for them. It's like a subsidy. It's
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like a subsidized business. When we pay for transgender dance
festivals in Bangladesh in order to overthrow a government who
is placing caps on the amount of petroleum that they're
sharing with the US or preventing the installation of US
military base there because that country is cracking down on
the transgender population. Well, that ends up manifesting as a
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back channel conversation between the petroleum and the military companies
with the Biden administration. The Biden administration then task groups
like IRI and the National down for Democracy and USAID
to then work with the transgender population. There fun transgender
dance festivals as well. You'll see this in USA spending
dot gov in the grant list, and then work with
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them to mobilize street protests, to do demonstrations, to create
human rights violations predicates in order to oust that government.
That's exactly what we saw happen, for example in that country.
With the documents that I published originally came from the
Gray Zone in just write the the waning months of
the Biden administration that this is how this is, so
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you can understand, this is to profit these multinational corporations
who represent the donor drafter overclass of the guts of
our government.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
It's so ugly, So a lot of this what you're
saying is a lot of this international LGBTQ activism garbage
that is funded by USAID is actually about something else.
It's about money, It's about US influence, and we're funding
these things to destabilize governments who have angered US.
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Yeah, they don't give a flying fig about lgbt I mean,
there are some true believers, but they don't really represent
the senior class of the US State Department or the
US Intelligence community or the US Pentagon. It's very cynical
and self serving. Will they will immediately subsidize and pay
for the most extreme anti lgbt groups in the world.
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When it suits their purpose. They will fund, for example,
the Taliban, they will fund Isis, they will fund Al Qaeda,
they will find I mean, this is what we saw
literally the US Institute of Peace doing this, and we
saw one hundred and twenty two million dollars or something
to that effect from USAID funding these groups who are
not exactly lgbtq's best friend. What you see. And same
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thing with Nazism. You know, they talk all this stuff
about fascism and Nazism being the threats, and then they'll
turn around and fund the ash Off Battalion. If it's
geopolitically useful against the Russians and to seize control over
the energy market in Eurasia.
Speaker 1 (28:37):
I want to talk about the Ed Martin thing because
I was hot on this. I know you were hot
on this. What was it about Ed Martin? I mean,
it's US attorney. It's a big deal, but it's just
one area. What was it about Ed Martin that was
a bridge so far that GOP senators like Tom Tillis
would actually risk the wrath of Donald Trump to stop him.
Speaker 2 (29:00):
Why.
Speaker 5 (29:01):
Well, d C happens to be the home court jurisdiction
of the swamp. The fact is is the d C,
you know, the DC district courts are where all of
the Trump related litigation, as in terms of his government
policies are litigated. This is why the Chief Justice Boseburg
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has become such a a villainous figure to the MAGA
policy implementation, is because the d C courts are where
d C executive orders and d C activity is litigated.
So if you are going to, for example, take on
Trump's executive order about opening the border wall, well that's
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not going to be litigated in Arizona and Texas. That's
going to be litigated in d C. And the fact
is is therefore, who who is on the other side
presenting to the judge in these is extremely critical for
implementing Trump agenda. You need someone who is going to
represent to those justices a full and zealous case for
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the government's position. And Ed Martin was a fighter through
and through. One of the things you know. Ed Martin
talked about the Transition Integrity Project just on Tucker Carlson
this week, and was hot on the entire Georgetown law
nexus and the domestic Color Revolution plotting that was being
done by Rosa Brooks and the whole cabal out of
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Georgetown with Mary McCord. The fact is is these networks
are a check on trump Ism. And I think Tom
Tillis jumped on the grenade. But the fact is, as
you put on that list of twenty six other folks
in the US Congress, I think that there were several
other senators who were having back channel conversations with Tom
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Tillis so that he would jump on the grenade and
they would be relatively clean. John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
could have removed and replaced Tom Tillis from the committee
in order to get a floor vote if he had
wanted to, but he did not want to do that
same thing we saw with others. John Cornyn initially, I believe,
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was resistant to saying that he would support ed Martin.
And then once it became clear that Tom Tillis was
going to jump on the grenade and block it out
of the committee, John corn said, if it comes to
the floor, I'll vote on it. But you never saw
John Cornyn actually speak out against Tom Tillis's vote or
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put pressure in order to change that vote. So I
think you have essentially this internationalist blob class of Republicans
who are it was actually jumped on. You allowed Tom
Tillis to be the fall guy for this, but they
all wanted that as well. They did not want someone
who was going to go after corruption at usaid, they
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did not want someone who was going to go after
the bipartisan corrupt elements of the swamp. Because again even
something of the Transition Integrity Project, that domestic Color Revolution
coup simulator where they literally simulated invoking a breakdown on
January sixth, and then having Black Lives Matter serve as
paramilitary street muscle, as if we were funding some coast
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of ar paramilitary group in order to fight the Slovana
Melosovich in Serbian the nineteen nineties. These were the analogies
that they were giving that we would effectively fund anti
fund Black Lives Matter right after the George Floyd riots.
It just happened. They were still playing out when they
were doing these simulations. And this all serves as a
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check on trump Ism, which is what these international republicans want.
They want to get back in the Nicky Haley box.
They want to get back on the George hw Bush,
the George Bush, the John McCain, Mitt Romney, Nicky Hayley box.
They want to go back to coke and pepsi in
terms of your only choices as a US voter, and
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all these aspects of bipartisan approved corruption that Trump is
trying to clean up. They don't want that cleaned. And
so they want someone in there who is not as aggressive,
who is not as tuned in, And so they got
rid of be Ed Martin.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
Mike Well, I could go on and on and on
with you about this, but I want to make sure
we talk about this angle of it. I do the
best I can not to make myself sound like a
complete quack but when I look at the two assassination
attempts of Donald Trump, and I look at the circumstances
around it, particularly the quick destruction of evidence on the
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first assassination attempt, from spraying off the roof to cremating the.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
Body right away. Mike, I'll just come right out and
say it.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I believe elements inside of the United States government were
involved in the attempted assassination of the Republican nominee for
President of the United States of America. You're welcome to
hang up right away if you think I'm a nutball,
But does that sound crazy to you?
Speaker 5 (34:03):
It doesn't sound crazy to me. I think that that
is a very considerable probability. The fact is is all
it would take is advance knowledge and allowing it to happen.
It would not take necessarily recruiting people to do it,
if they simply had advanced knowledge from informants or from
surveillance that these attacks are going to play out. All
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it would take would be somebody inside the Biden DHS
or Biden FBI or Biden Justice Department or Biden CIA
to say, hmm, we've been tipped off about this. Let's
let's sit on this one and then simply have a
few backchannel conversations, keep it tight hold. But the fact is,
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as I think that we've talked about, both of these
shooters ran right through aspects of federal law enforcement and
Biden admin intelligence worlds. On the law enforcement side, was
reported by I believe the New York Post that Matthew
Thomas Crooks was training at the very same gun range
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as dhs HSI DHSHSI, who was actively recruiting and infiltrating
Trump group Trump movement groups during January sixth. There's the
famous case of Jeremy Brown from the Oathkeepers to dhs
HSI agents arrived at his home about a month before
January sixth and actively recruited him, threatened him that if
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he did not, as a Green Beret, join up with
join up with HSI and become an informant, that he
could have problems, but those problems would go away and
he might be able to make some money from it
if he became an informant HSI. We later learned from Congress,
or at least testimony was published in a Congressional letter
on this that HSI agents reportedly replaced almost half of
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the Secret Service agents at the Butler Rally, we're told
because Secret Service had a diminished force because they were
split between the NATO summit and a Jill Biden trip.
So HSI is training at the Matthew Thomas Crooks gun range.
All that would have taken is for them to see
this Matthew Thomas Crooks guy putting a Trump face, for example,
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on a Trump bullet or talking to guys at the
gun range, and then you've got an HSI connection there.
HSI would have been in position to allow the shot
to go through to the extent that they replaced Secret
Service agents that day. So this whole thing could have
been in house with four or five people simply allowing
it to happen. On Ryan Routh caase it's even crazier.
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Ryan Routh was a part of a five oh one
C three Ukraine nonprofit network, the exact nonprofit network that
is such a big part of the USAID presence in Ukraine.
It was called the Volunteer Center of Ukraine. That he
gave his card to Customs and Border Patrol in twenty
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twenty three that he was the director of. They've denied that,
but it was on his business card that he handed
to Customs and Border Patrol. Customs and Border Patrol then
referred an investigation on Ryan Routh in twenty twenty three
to dhs HSI and according to Customs and Border Patrol,
DHSHSI quote refused to investigate, not declined, refused to investigate
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Ryan Routh. Now, Ryan Routh at the time was recruiting thousands,
at least five thousand by his own numbers, of terrorist
and extremist militia fighters from Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria, and Iran.
Now all four of those are highly CIA inflected geopolitical
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conflict zones with intense US military and intelligence pressure and
infiltration of various militant networks there. And he was trawling
WhatsApp and telegram to get the front and back of
over five thousand passports of jihadi fighters in order to
back channel with the US Embassy in Kiev the ability
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to provide an increased military support for the US Pentagon
in Ukraine. So that these fighters who who the CIA
was backing when they were called the Mujahadeen in the
nineteen seventies and eighties, now they're al Qaeda and Isis.
So that they just just as they fought the Russians
during the Cold War, they would come back and fight
the Russians in Ukraine just as they were bombing the
(38:27):
Russians were told when Isis claimed responsibility for the attack
inside of Russia just last year that killed one hundred
and thirty five people at a Saint Petersburg theater. So
the fact is this is a CIA network, this is
a Pentagon network. This was flagged at DHS and they
did nothing. And you know, this guy is a part
(38:51):
of a sort of usaight adjacent five oh one C
three in Ukraine. I mean, it's like every single every
single object on the pinball machine of the US intelligence state.
This guy just went bing bing bing bing bing through
the whole thing for years and then he ends up
being the guy who's parked behind a bush at the
Trump golf course, you know, to take a clean shot
(39:12):
on the US President.
Speaker 1 (39:15):
Good Mike, I have to ask you before I let
you go. I know, it's a lot, it's a tight
knot to untied.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
It's going to take time. I get that.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Do you think we're going to be able to untie
at least a chunk of this during Trump's four years
with guys like Ed Martin now in place. Do you
think we have a chance at getting some of this
not just exposed but accounted for.
Speaker 5 (39:41):
Some of it and a lot of it is personnelist policy.
The fact that, for example, Pam Bondi has fired fifteen
of the j six prosecutors, the fact that we have
fired something like fourteen thousand folks at USAID, the fact
that these funding grants are going to force a diminished
capacity at the end stitutional level of many aspects of
(40:02):
the blob if they go through. That's going to be
the question. This is why during the period between inauguration,
between election and inauguration, I kept stressing this concept of
the Senate snake in it, which was my belief that
the Senate would end up snaking the president, and that
much of White House strategy has to be geared towards
coalition building within those internationalist sides of the Republican blob,
(40:26):
because as I saw it, the biggest threat was the
Republican side of the aisle, not the Democrat one. You
have the votes with a Republican held House and Senate.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
The issue is the.
Speaker 5 (40:37):
Bush era, McCain era Nicky Hayley adjacent side of the GOP.
But that is going to be something that would be
continually negotiated. There's much more leverage now than there was
during the Paul Ryan speakership when there were almost no
Trump allies in Congress. Now, I would say somewhere between
fifty and seventy percent of the Republican Congress is more
(41:01):
or less fully behind Trump. But the fact is is
twenty five to thirty percent of the Republicans is enough
to form a coalition with the Democrats in order to
get their way on the budget, to get their way
on funding cuts. But you know, there's a lot of
tools in the toolkit, and I think that this admin
is serious about deploying as many as is necessary.
Speaker 1 (41:24):
I said that was the last question, but I lied, Mike.
I just had to ask really quickly, do you believe
there are Republicans because I definitely believe this that are
just flat out blackmailed. I'm talking Netflix special blackmailed.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Someone has something on them.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
Look, when I hear ken Buck who's retiring from Congress,
he's retired.
Speaker 2 (41:41):
Now when I hear.
Speaker 1 (41:42):
Him who's about to retire, lovingly practically make out with
Christopher Ray during a hearing where Christopher Ray is supposed
to be held accountable. Honestly, I've listened to that clip
a thousand times. Mike, I hear somebody who has a
file on them.
Speaker 5 (41:57):
It's possible. I think that you can explain the exact
same set of facts, though in a I don't want
to say more benign because in a way it's it's
even more insidious, which is the simple economics of Congress.
You don't make a lot of money in Congress. I'm
actually not against significantly raising the pay of Congress because
I think the relatively low paid you have all of
(42:19):
this power, and you're around people with so much money,
and you see yourself and you can't even afford private
school for your kids. While you are making these you know,
you're hobnobbing constantly all day with everyone who can. Everyone
else is a you know, a relatively secure financial life,
and here you are putting everything on the line if
you're a bold member of Congress or you want to
(42:41):
do serious reform, and you know that the moment you leave,
you're already you know, not making a particularly high salary
given your influence and given the pressure on you. But
then on top of that, when you get out, what
are you going to do? For a job when you,
you know, have invested all of this in your career
(43:02):
and you've got no, you know, significant financial prospects unless
you convert that into something with the donor class. The
fact is is, I actually think that the relatively low
salary of Congress makes it so that it doesn't even
require blackmail. It simply requires financial incentives. You are incentivized
to do what Raytheon and Lockheed Martin and Pfizer and
(43:26):
you known name your company if it's if it's in
the censorship space, what Google and Microsoft or Meta want
you to do. What the telecom companies want you to do.
You become, as Joe Biden put it himself when he
was running for Senate at twenty nine years old, he
called himself a prostitute. That he had to prostitute himself
(43:46):
out to the credit card companies in Delaware. He had
to prostitute himself out as the poorest person in Congress.
And I think that you see this, and so simply
being economically beholden to your donors is to get you
to be pliant as a doormat, especially when these things
are morally justified by your allies and the media, and
(44:08):
so it doesn't weigh on your consciousness heavily. But the
fact is is, I think those money networks have a
sufficient explanatory power, but I would not be surprised if
there were elements of blackmail and coercion as well.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
Mike, as always, you're the best brother. Come back soon, please.
All right, we have final thoughts. It's going to say
light in the mood, but there's nothing light about this.
Let's do some final thoughts next. How'd you sleep last night? Good?
Speaker 4 (44:46):
Bad?
Speaker 1 (44:47):
Is that a consistent thing for you? Or is sleep
a struggle? Listen, Sleep's a struggle for people.
Speaker 2 (44:53):
I know you.
Speaker 1 (44:54):
Look, there's a million pharmaceuticals you can get. Doctor will
prescribe you something. Hey, take this, she'll put you to sleep.
Or walk in any pharmacy over the counter stuff there.
You take this to sleep, Take this to sleep. What
do all those things have in common?
Speaker 2 (45:08):
You've tried them. What do they have in common? You'll sleep?
Speaker 1 (45:12):
When you wake up you feel like garbage every single time.
The only thing I've ever taken in my life to
sleep that had me waking up feeling rested and refreshed
is dream powder from Beam.
Speaker 2 (45:22):
It's the only thing I've ever had. It's a cup
of hot chocolate.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Delicious hot chocolate, mind you, but it's got a bunch
of natural things. And that's really the difference, isn't it.
It's natural sleep in a way. Go to shopbeam dot
com slash Jesse Kelly and try it. Shotbeam dot com
slash Jesse Kelly. All Right, so I'm gonna say something
(45:52):
that'd probably.
Speaker 2 (45:52):
Make you mad.
Speaker 1 (45:53):
It's gonna make me mad as we finish things up here.
It does take time. It takes time to take apart
any criminal organization. You don't snap your fingers and make
it happen. If you're going after the Gambino crime family,
you're not gonna get indictments next week.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
You're not. Takes time.
Speaker 1 (46:14):
When the criminal organization is the United States government, it's
going to take us time. That doesn't mean be patient,
just means understand it's going to take time. But as
you heard Ed Martin say earlier in the show, demand
they go faster, even when sometimes you understand why.
Speaker 2 (46:31):
They're not going faster.
Speaker 1 (46:32):
Still whip them all the time, faster, more arrests. That's
what we demand. Stay on them, you can save the country.
Speaker 2 (46:41):
We'll do it again.
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