July 4, 2025 • 48 mins
Jesse Kelly dives headfirst into the gritty, rebellious heart of the American Revolution. Jesse unpacks the key events, bold personalities, and raw motivations that fueled the fight for independence. Expect sharp insights into the Founding Fathers’ genius, the sacrifices of everyday patriots, and the timeless principles that birthed a nation.
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Speaker 1 (00:14):
Well, it just seemed like the time we should have
a little chat about the American Revolution because we still
have problems, we always will have problems, but we need
to remember how blessed we are. That's really what I
wanted to talk you about. And we have three incredible
guests that are going to come at this revolution from
different angles, and you're about to learn so much on
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the show. But I just want to remind you of
this revolution. The toppling of a government, it's not a
new concept. It's happened since well since man started to
establish governments on Earth. People get sick of it, they
topple it. It almost always ends bad. Why Why does
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it almost always end bad? And you see that, you
can see this today. You'll have an evil government, an
evil tyrant, something horrible, and we'll think, well, well, let's
just get rid of it. And we do several times.
We've participated in it several times and you think, whoa,
it can't possibly get worse. We got rid of this guy.
But it's almost always worse. Why is that, Well, it's
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because usually the people with the most power, the most guns,
they're the ones who fill up the power vacuum when
a government has been toppled. So you may kick out
a tyrant, an evil tyrant, a bad man, but the
guy who is the most powerful, who's willing to shoot
the most people in the face or stab him, if
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we're going back to ancient history, he's the one who
ends up taking over. And then you went from one
tyrant to an even worse tyrant slash warlord. But that
didn't happen here. We are one of the few few
countries you can ever name in human history where we
had a revolution. We tossed off a tyrant. And the
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men who led our revolution, they absolutely could have taken
power established some sort of monarchy and oligarchy here. But
the men, wealthy, powerful men who led our revolution, they
wanted something different. You me, we exist here two hundred
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and forty nine years later, was something different because our
revolution was about casting off tyranny and making sure we
never replace it. They didn't want to replace the King
of England when they tossed him out. They wanted the
American people to be free. And I wanted to nail
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down on this really quickly before we get to our guests.
Land of the Free. Free America is free. Don't let
that word mean nothing. It's become so watered down now
that we don't even really understand what we're talking about.
To be free means that you the citizen, you can
criticize your government openly, out in the public square without fear.
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It means you, the American citizen, you are allowed to
be armed because it doesn't matter whether or not the
government wants you to be armed. You should be armed
because you the individual, you are sovereign, and you have
every right to protect yourself, your family, and your property.
Now these concepts may seem oh yeah, I get that.
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You don't understand how unique that is in human history.
In fact, how unique it is in the world today
as we speak right now. That's not how most people
live on this planet. But you do and I do,
and we have that blessing because of the Revolution, not
that's just because we fought a war with the most
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powerful country on Earth and one because we fought a
war with the most powerful country on Earth one and
created a free society. Just the state system itself, the
federal government limited. That's really what most of the Constitution
is about. Putting up walls fences around the federal government.
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You're only allowed to do this and only allowed to
do that anything else. The states get to govern themselves.
The people deserve to be free, The people deserve to
choose what they want. You me, our children, they get
to enjoy that country. And that is so incredibly unique
in human history. That's not usually how it goes. We
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are blessed. Our revolution is rare. It's the rarest thing
in the world, and we're just so blessed by God
to be here. I hope you realize that the American Revolution,
we all think we kind of know the high points,
and maybe we do know the high points, but there's
so much more to it. So we thought we thought
it'd be a good time to bring in some experts,
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guys who've written books on it, dissected it. I mean
even things like give me liberty or give me death.
Everyone knows that speech, But what was that all about?
What was happening at the time. Well, I think we
should dig into that, don't you. Let's do that next.
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slash Jesse TV. All right, so how do you teach history?
How should you teach history? Your nation's history. Certain countries,
like ours in certain sectors, teach their kids that the
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country sucks. Certain countries go completely the opposite way, maybe
over the top, maybe too over the top, depending on
who you are countries like Japan. Let's ask someone who
actually teaches it instead of me. Joining me now, the
great doctor Wilfred maclay of the amazing Hillsdale College, which
is near and dear to my heart, an author of
the book that I would recommend if you're looking to
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learn about this land of Hope. All right, doctor, you
have the awesome responsibility of teaching young minds about America,
American history, the Revolution. How do you do it? What's
the right way?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, there are a lot of things. I think the
first and foremost thing is you have to think of
yourself as being involved in helping deform citizens a good citizens,
people who are going to be informed, effective, judicious, non
crazy to function as citizens in a democratic, republican society.
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And that doesn't just happen by osmosis. They have to
learn certain things. They have to learn the principles of
our way of life, of our government. So that's what
I see as the foremost responsibility.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But I also think.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You ought to teach history is something that is part
of their heritage, that it's an inheritance, and it's a
good inheritance. It's not an inheritance of disease or debt.
It's a or not that exclusively is an inheritance of
freedom and the freedom that people have fought for, died for,
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sacrifice for, and given they're all to perpetuate. So there
should be an attitude of gratitude, if I may put
it that way. And I definitely am not of the
school thought the first kind of historian that you cited
in your intro. I think it's an extraordinary country and
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they should know it, and they should be grateful for that,
and they should take up the task of perpetuating it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Amen. No, I agree one hundred percent. I love that.
I love that line. I'm preparing citizens. Do you find
now I should preface this by saying, I understand Hillsdale
College is going to get a certain kind of student,
a student that's probably more ready to hear from someone
like you than you know, Berkeley or something like that.
But do you find the students you get ready for
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that message? Are they have they been taught something different?
Do they do they soak it up like a sponge?
Do they push back? How's that go?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Look, I feel very privileged to be at Hillsdale. I've
only been here for four years, and actually, if somebody
my age would normal people would be thinking about retirement.
My idea of retirement is getting carried out in a
pine box. So I love what I do so much,
and I think it's too important to you know, I
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have no interest in playing golf or shuffleboard, so you
know what am I going to But seriously, it's a
privilege to teach at Hillsdale. But I've only done it
for the last four years. The other thirty six seven
years i've been teaching, I've been at other places, some
of which were very good or I had very good experience.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's very good students. I had great students at the University.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Of Oklahoma, for example, where I was for eight years
and before coming to Hillsdale. And I have great affection
for Hillsdale for Oklahoma. But I would have to say,
unlike Hillsdale students, you can't You don't know what you're
going to be getting. In terms of having a kind
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of eager, hungry predisposition to know more about a country
that they all any love and they want to know
more why about why they should love it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to you have to do some persuasion.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And students come in with very bad mistaken ideas. For example,
I think other places that I've taught, the assumption that
students have coming into the class is that the United
States invented slavery, and really only the Southern States. So
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there's a unique kind of burden of guilt that we bear,
and that's absolutely rubbish. You know, we did not invent slavery.
Slavery has been universal, It's almost been more the rule
than the exception in the.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
History of humankind.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We did something extraordinary beginning around the eighteenth century that
we and the Anglo American world started to move towards
abolition of slavery, and we America, the United States in America,
had the first anti slavery you abolitionist society in the world. So, yes,
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we were guilty of this institution that the human race
has largely outgrown, although there's a lot of it going
on today in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That's another subject.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But we have led the way in dealing with our faults,
and I think that's one of the things that kids
need to get is an understanding you don't have to
claim perfection for the United States of America to be
proud of it, and to be proud of our founding fathers,
who were fallible leaders. If you're looking for infallibility in
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your heroes, you're never going to find any heroes because
there aren't any infallible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Men in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But what is great about us It is not only
that we have a great beginning founded on great principles,
but we've been trying and trying, trying decade after decorating,
I guess, century after century to live up to those
ideals that are foundational to us, and I think accentuated
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the negative, especially when we come up on our two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary, seems to be.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Very wronghanded. But you're right.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There are America Sucks contingents out there and full force,
particularly in higher education, which is really very sad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No it is. And I'll tell you doctor, I'm a
history freak. Obviously, I'm just a fan. I'm not a
historian like you are, but I'm a history freak. I
just hoover it up, I read, I watch it all,
and it has been very difficult for me, as a
history fan to watch what has happened to the subject
of history. I actually argue repeatedly it's one of the
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most damaging thing the America haters have taken over. You
can't just download a podcast now while getting some sort
of America sucks version of history a new book. It's
some America sucks version of history, and I can't stand it.
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, and you know, the funny thing about it is
that they are so moralistic, and you know, you can't
you can't talk about just in an objective way about slavery,
how it is different at different times and in different regions,
and you know, just understand it as a human institution
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of a particular time and place.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You have to deliver a sermon on the subject.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And that, again, that gets in the way of historical understanding.
History is not a morality play, even though I also
insist that we have much to be very very proud
of about our history. And but you know, another reason
to teach history, eric in history to our students is
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that this is something, is their heritage. It's a precious thing,
and to teach it wrongly, to teach it as a
source of shame, is really to deprive them.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's like depriving somebody of their inheritance.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I think that's morally offensive and also a big
waste of time that could be better spent inculcating them
with a sense of pride.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
One of the things when I was working on the book,
I had a man I didn't know very well, a
very high end lawyer in New York, white shoe law firm,
who wanted to meet me, and we had dinner together,
and he made this statement that absolutely blew me away.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's a simple statement.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Many of your listeners will say, well, duh, But I
had not thought about this. He said, Look, I think
that when you teach young people that they live under
a bad regime, it's damaging to their souls.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And while that just hit.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Me very hard that the way you teach history it's
very important as an act of moral formation in the art,
and if you form them in the wrong way, it
could be damaging to them and permanent and very serious ways,
and have consequences for the nation too. But I have
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consequences for them in their individual lives so ever since then,
and I had informed my composition of the book. But
by the way, may I say, we have a new
second edition of Land of Hope coming out and it's
going to be great. We have three times as many
maps and images, all kinds of features that teachers are
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going to love. It's a kind of non textbook textbook.
That's what I stroked it. And everybody tells me they
love reading it. So you know, who am I to object?
But I think they're going to love the two point
oh the Land of Hope two point oh better.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, I'm going to so nerd out on this book.
I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Well,
we'll send you a copy as soon as I get it. Oh,
that's all over it. I'm all over it. Why do
you call it a Land of Hope?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Because well, and that was the first thing I did
when I before I started writing it, I thought to myself,
you know, the title is really going to be very important,
and I thought of and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It came to me very quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And for this reason that it America is.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
America is a place.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's an idea, but it's also a sort of spiritual concept.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And in this sense that we.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's part of our national makeup, a part of our
nation creed.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
We're made up of many people.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
We are a nation of immigrants, in the sense that
the entire Western hemisphere was populated by people who had
come from somewhere else. Even the indigenous peoples had come
from somewhere else. They'd come from Asia. But all the
people who came westward, but the very important exception of
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enslaved Africans, came in search of a better life. They
wanted to take a chance on a new place, a
new location, a second chance at life, not to be
condemned to live out their lives in the conditions into
which they were born, whether they were Polish peasants or
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what have you. That America's was a chance at a
second chance. And you know, it's a land of hope
in that the hopes of improvement of one's life and
also the hope because it's that we've always been a
very religious people. I said, a hope that while it's
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the original Puritan saught that they could establish a true
church in a new Zaia, the new world. Uh So,
in some ways it's we are the most I say,
we're the most aspirational people on earth, probably the most
aspirational people that have ever been. And that's why my
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Land of Hope seemed to me to be the perfect title,
because hope is aspiration, Hope is that is uh that
that that substance towards which we we yearn, the things
for which which may be material, they may be spiritual.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
All of these things are part of our makeup.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Doctor. You make me want to go sit in your class.
Not that I could ever get into Hillsdale, but you
make me want to go sit in your class. A
land of hope. I will be picking it up, Thank you,
sir very much. That guy's awesome. Gosh, I'm just so
geeking out on the revolution. Anyway, we have more with
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all make a mistake with history. I shouldn't say we all.
I make a mistake with history where we look back,
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especially on something like the American Revolution, the early days
of this country, and we think to ourselves, Wow, I mean,
they didn't have the criminal government we have now that
be FBI and all this crimes and cover ups and lies,
that this is a new phenomenon. But there's nothing new
under the sun. As the Good Book says, joining me
now is somebody who knows just a little bit more
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about this than I do. Donald Jeffrey's, author of the
book Crimes and cover Ups in American Politics from nineteen
seventy six to nineteen sixty three. Donald, are you telling
me there were there were cover ups in crimes back
in the seventeen hundreds. That doesn't sound right.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
As you said, there's nothing new under the sense hard
to believe.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Isn't it what happened back then?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Well, I think you know it's that book covers a
whole lot of territory. It does start from the American
Revolution on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But I think you know that.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I think the first thing you remembers was we have
a unique situation here where we have a country that
was formed, and at this point in history, the people
that rule this country now want nothing to do with
the founders of the country or the documents that for
at matter, so they basically ignore the founding In fact,
when I was researching that book, I watched a lot
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of movies. I watched a lot of movies anyhow, and
I've found, in my astonishment that Hollywood pretty much has
always ignored the founding fathers. There's never been a biography
about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, any of them,
which is odd given the patriotic films they had back
in the day. And in fact, when mel Gibson made
the movie The Patriot, I think in the late nineties,
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I don't know if you remember, but it caused a
great deal of controversy, and it was just it was
just a straightforward account of one man's you know, fight
against the British and you think that would be a
harold It is a patriotic film, no they I mean
all the usual suspects. You're raked it over the calls.
How can you make this film? This is full of
hate and everything. So it's it's very unique because we
still have leaders that swear to uphold the Constitution, and
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I don't think very many of them believe in the Constitution.
So I don't know there are other other countries like this,
but we have a unique situation here where our founding
documents and our founders, which of course are increasingly vilified now.
When I was a kid, they were still heroes. Largely
none are heroes now except Alexander Hamilton, who's been transformed
into a black Broadway star because he was the banker's
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favorite founder and invented debt, so of course he would
he would be welcome today. But none of the others,
especially Thomas Jefferson, my favorite, has been really chastised and
unfairly treated, and he you know, wrote the timeless Declaration
of Independence and was probably the first classical liberal which
I based my politics on.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Where did he learn his politics?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Well, I think he was certainly inspired by John Locke
and and you know people like that. But he, you know,
he had an open mind. He was one of the
free thinkers you know, of his day, and he was
he was a product of the Enlightenment. Of course, he
came long later in the Enlightenment, but probably you could
argue that the American Revolution was maybe one of the
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greatest accomplishments of the Renaissance. It came down, it came
a little later, but these were free thinkers who no
longer thought we had to have royalty. We don't need
a king or queen. And that was the idea and
the most revolutionary concept they came up with was the
consent to the government. You know, no other nation had
done that before, so you know, we we're gonna you know,
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in most other countries it was by royal decree. You know,
you listen to the king or you didn't. But in America,
this was no you know, these you have a right
to be governed by those that you consent to have
you governed. So you know, that's why it's you know,
when we look at something like later on during the
Civil War. That's why there's a big dichotomy between what
happened then what happened in Civil War, because clearly in
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eighteen sixty there were people, you know, seven thirty that
can be thirteen states who no longer consented. So it
kind of made a mockery of what we were because
we were founded on the consent of the governed. And
now I don't know how many millions we look at
a secession. Now we've got probably between the red and
Blue states, how many millions of people don't want to
live with, you know, the other seventy or eighty million,
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lots of us And so we're not consenting anymore. And
I'm not sure what will happen out of that, because
we've never had the kind of division that we have
now in anywhere, and certainly during the Civil War you
had basic foundational issues that everyone agreed on God for instance.
Now we don't have anything like that. We don't have
any type of fundational issue. So I don't think what
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happened in seventeen seventy six would would be remotely possible today.
And people always need to remember as well that that
revolution was led by the one percenters of their day,
these people you know, John Hancock, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,
Thomas Jefferson. They were like the Bill Gates and jeff
Bezos of the day. So I certainly can't imagine the
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one percenters that now they're the villains of our day
to most of us. But I don't think the warfare
independence would have been possible because most people are followers,
and I don't think they would have had the wherewithal
or even the desire to lead a revolution by themselves.
But we had the people of influence that basically sparked this,
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and then you had Thomas Paine, another rich guy who
wrote Common Sense, which was just a little forty eight
page pamphlet, but it had a huge impact on the public.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The population back then during this revolution. They ended up
coming together after the revolution, but we were divided during
it as well. Obviously, as you well know, there were loyalists,
there were revolutionaries, there were people who kind of sat
the thing out. How in the world did we come
together after that?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, it's a good question.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
In One of the most notable examples would be everybody
remembers that they've seen the picture the painting of Benjamin
Franklin with his little son, you know, flying the kite,
you know, and being hit by lightning, and that little
boy ended up being a loyalist and Benjamin Franklin, and
that was probat of the most notable schism from the Revolution.
They never talked to each other for the rest of
our lives. Very very sad case. But I think you know, again,
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people had it. There was there was a There were
certainly people that you had Federalists and at the beginning
of the Republic that the great issue of the day.
One of the great issues was was a central bank,
which later when we look at the Federal Reserve and
things like that, it culminated that. Obviously the other side one,
the federalists one, but at the time you had people
like Jefferson and Madison and Patrick Kenny before he got
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people like that were arguing against that, and that was
a crucial issue, but it wasn't so much as it
wasn't a deal breaker. So you had people like Jefferson
and Adams who had one of the most contentious presidential
campaigns of all time eighteen hundred, who later became wrote
some of the greatest letters in the history of correspondence.
I mean, people still treasure the letters between Jefferson and
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Adams for the next twenty five years or so. They
both lived into old age, but they were able to
bury their differences. So I think the differences were small
back then because they believed in the consent of the government.
And I don't know how many of them took it
to the degree that Thomas Jefferson did, but especially in
this age of people talking about insurrection and what happened
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with the January sixth and all that, when you look
at the wording of the Declaration of Independence, what Jefferson
notably said, anytime that people grow weary or dissatisfied with
the government, they have they have every right to alter
it or abolish it. Now, I don't think there's a
leader in America today that would agree with that. They
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would say, well, yeah, yeah, you do have the right
to alter abolish it. I mean what leader would possibly
say that. Maybe Thomas Massey, I don't know, but I
don't know if anybody else. And so it's a great thing,
and again it's something revolutionary because the idea was that
you have to so if you don't consent, and right now,
I suspect you're on my side. There's seventy or eighty
million of us that don't consent to, you know, the tyranny,
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the degree of tyranny that we're being subjected to. We
don't I mean, no taxation with that representation. And there's
that was invented by a guy named James Otis has
been completely forgotten and went out in classics conspiratorial fire
style where he was struck by lightning as he was
standing in a doorway and died that way. But he's
the one who invented the taxation with no tax no
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taxation with that representation. But that's very important now because
most of us look at it. It's what are we
being taxed for? And we look at what we're what
are we getting back? In terms of the USAID disclosures
certainly showed just a a very minute bit of the
fraud that's going on. We have no idea what we're financing,
but we I do know. I live in one of
the richest counties in the United States, and I you know,
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congressmen live here in the US Press Corps. I drive
out in their potholes everywhere. The infrastructure is a joke.
The power grids here, So what exactly are we paying for?
And yet we all have always have money for Ukraine
or Israel or any kind of whatever whatever needs to
be done in that direction, or the you know, the
next congressional pay raise. So so many people are dissatisfied
(30:31):
with that. But that's why it gets to the core.
If you know, if you if this really is a
government by consent, then there's many millions of us, but
we can't succeed. I mean, what would what would happen
if everybody the voted for Donald Trump and then some decided, well,
you know, we're just we're going to form our own country.
I mean, I guess you would have you know, something
that would make the Civil War palel by comparison, because
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I don't think they would. They would let us leave peacefully.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, I don't think they would either. So why don't
we change it? Why don't the American people march to
the polls? All of the House of Representatives can be
removed every two years. Everybody knows this, but we don't.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Why Well, and that's a good question. And you know,
I've talked about this all the time that Congress has
I think about a five percent approval rate in polls,
and yet the average reelection raised like ninety six percent. So,
I mean, I don't know how to explain that. How
do we make that make sense? But I mean, how
does Lindsey Graham or Chuck Schumer or how did Nancy Pelosi?
(31:32):
How did these people possibly get re elected?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, I can't conceive of anybody that would would
elect these people. So that's of course where you get people,
and we saw it during twenty twenty with the vote
fraud that was so transparent in twenty twenty, is that
so many people believe that your vote doesn't count, because
either way, it's a terrible prospect to consider. If the
votes count, then you have to say that somehow, especially
(31:58):
on the Republican side, Republicans are re electing these people
for whatever reason. You've had maga candidates and good people
that challenge some of these rhinos and they usually go
down to defeat. And but on the other hand, would
the other possibility is that they're not counting the votes,
in which case it makes no sense to even attempt
to vote. So's it's a good question. This is why
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where we are right now in the trumpets administration two
point zero with all the promises made, and we have
people in place there that we should start seeing some changes.
And that's why it's so disappointing when you have somebody
like Cash Betel, who you know, makes a comment like
Epstein killed himself and you know Dan Bongino basically backing
him up, when you know, you get recordings of Dan
Bongino questioning it. That's where people get so jaded and
(32:44):
why people get so cynical, because, Okay, we have people
in here that most people applauded. The RFK Junior is
personal hero of mine. I still don't know for sure
what he's doing. I think he's doing some good things,
but I don't know. I hear from the alt media
the he's not. I really don't know. So we have
to look at what's actually being a cop I said.
I thought doags was a great idea, and it was
wonderful one. But why has it stopped? I mean, they
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were supposed to audit the Pentagon, let's audit the CIA,
le's audit the Federal Reserve. Imagine what we'll find there.
But now that Elon Musky is feuding with Trump, that
kind of seems to have been halted, and even the
disclosures from the USA, I d you had millions of
Americans who were upseted. No, don't tell us about the fraud.
I mean I had people that were friends of mine
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who have Trump or agent syndrome, and they literally argue
with me that they didn't believe there was fraud in government.
I said, really, this surprises you. You actually thought that
there was no fraud in government and it was a
drop in the bucket. I can't imagine what the Federal
Reserve would show, or the CIA, or the you know,
these bigger agencies, the Pentagon itself. But so I think
(33:47):
that would be a start. But again it's a question
of we have to all be on the same page,
and I don't. I think the problem is that millions
of us disagree with other millions about what the problem is.
I mean, there there are millions of people out there
that that are okay with you know, transgender surgery for
you know, for elementary school students. I cannot possibly reason
(34:12):
with somebody like that. I can't discuss that rationally. And
there's millions more like me. So how do you possibly
live in the same culture with with someone like that?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, it's tough. Donald. That was awesome. Appreciate you, sir.
All right, we're going to talk some more about the
American Revolution. I promise next, give me liberty or give
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me death. Everybody knows that quote. Everybody knows that quote.
Even America haters know that quote. It's got a real,
uh John Wayne feel to it. So what was it about?
Why did it last so long? Let's talk to somebody
who knows a little bit of something about all this stuff.
William J. Federer, author of a wonderful book called American Minute. William,
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what's that quote? What's that speech all about? What was happening? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Well that was Patrick Henry and he gave that to
rally the colonies to declare independence against the King of England.
So the King of England was a globalist. He was
a one world government guy. Matter of fact, the default
setting for human government is gangs and a gang leader
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with enough weapons we call a king. And from the
Nimrod Tower of Babbel to Alexander the Great Julius Caesar
until the hunt, the kingdoms keep getting bigger because with
the latest military advancement, kings can kill more people, until finally,
at the time of the Revolution. The King of England
was the most powerful king. The son never sat on
the British Empire. He had India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong,
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British Kuyana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaican America, and America's founders
decided they didn't like a globalist king telling us what
to do, so they broke away and flipped it and made.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The people the king.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
So the colonies had Patrick Henry. He was the five
time governor of Virginia. He was the most popular attorney
in Virginia, and he was rallying the country. He said
that the king is bringing armies of soldiers over here,
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and why there's no threat from France or the Dutch
or the Spanish. Why would he be doing it other
than to subjugatus. And he goes on to say that
I can hear the chains clanging to enslave us. And
he was a powerful speaker. His dad was as an Anglican,
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but his mom was a Presbyterian, and at the time
the Presbyterians were known as the resistance denomination to the king.
They were mostly from Scotland, and so in Virginia was
a Scottish Presbyterian preacher named Samuel Davies, and Patrick Henry
credits him with learning how to give speeches and stir
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people's hearts, and so matter of fact, whenever they would go,
he'd go with his mom. His mom would have him
recite the speech to him on the carriage on the
way back from the church. So his first law, at
first legal case was the parsons cause. So in Virginia
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you had Anglicans, and the Anglicans were paid by the
state actually with tobacco because they were tobacco farmers and
they had a poor cup and they couldn't pay it.
Yet the Anglican ministers still wanted to get paid the same,
so they appealed to the king, and the king said
they get paid the same. And so Patrick Henry is there.
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He says, the Bible says you're to take care of
the orphan of the widow, but you're making orphans and
widows by forcing him to sell their family farm to
pay you to you know. And he's like lays into him.
And so they vote to give an award of one
dollar the equivalent to these these Anglican parsons. But they
lifted up Patrick Henry on their shoulders. He was like
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a hero too, but that was the first time that
he came out against something the king had done, and
so he was not afraid of speaking out and stirring
up the sentiment. The situation in the colonies was the
seventeen seventy ben Gall famine. The British HEAs India Company
took over Bengal and they rearranged their economy to grow
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profitable crops, and they didn't realize that they were messing
up the way they had done stuff for centuries. And
when a famine came, ten million people died. There were
streets ten thousand a day were dying of this famine
and dogs are around with you know, human body parts,
and it was horrible. And so the British East India
companies on the Verrgin bankruptcy. So they appealed to the
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King of England for a corporate bailout. Right the government
bailing out corporations. So the King said, okay, you can
tax England with your tea and raise the price of it.
But the people of England didn't want the taxes. So
the King says, okay, you can tax the colonies and
you can cut out the middlemen, and you can go
in there, and we can make sure no other countries
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can smuggle stuff into the colonies, and we can take
away the colonies right to have their own currency. And
we're going to have the judges be appointed by the
king rather than locally, so that you won't get justice
if you buck the king. And then we're going to
have the Stamp Act. Every single piece of paper, credit cards,
excuse me, playing cards, and wedding licenses and everything had
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to have a king stamp on it. And then Franklin
goes to England. It says there's no way you can
even collect the text. It's a rural country. And then
they passed the rits of Assists. Since this allows the
government to read everybody's emails. Now they didn't have email
back then, but your letters. The government could rifle through
everybody's letters and read it, and they could confiscate all
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your possessions, your farm, just on a suspicion of you
being disloyal to the king. And then they quartered in
your houses, all right, So they left over troops from
the French and Indian War and they would come up
to your house and they would sleep in your beds
and eat in your kitchen, and you'd have.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
To live in the attic.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
And so one by one they kept tightening the screws
and confiscating ships, and so you had a Boston tea
party and three hundred and forty two chests of tea. Well,
the king didn't like it, so he decided to blockade
Boston's harbor on June first, seventeen seventy five. Means no
business in and out. We're going to grind your economy
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to a halt. So Thomas Jefferson is in Virginia and
he writes a day a fasting and prayer, introduces it
in the Virginia legislature to be observed June seventeen seventy four,
the same day that Boston Harbor is being blockaded. George
Washington writes in his diary, went to church fasted all day.
And so the royal governor considers this a veiled threat
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to the king, so he disbands their house of burgesses.
The legislators go down the street to Raleigh Tavern. In
the back room, they plot to have a Continental Congress.
And then a couple months later they have the first
Continental Congress, and there from all the different colonies, and
you had Anglicans and Congregationalists and Presbyterians and Baptists and
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Lutherans and Dutch Reforms and a one Catholic. And there
was a motion to open with prayer, and they didn't.
One denomination didn't want to hear prayer from another denomination.
But Sam Adams stands up and he says, I'm no bigot.
I can hear a prayer of any man of piety
who at the same time as the patroot of our country.
So they have the first Continental Congress, and then the
next year they have the second Continental Congress. But that's
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when Patrick Henry gives his famous speech, give me liberty,
give me death, okay, Because you had certain ones like
John Dickinson Olive Branch petition. He's like, oh, let's apologize
to the king one more time. Let's try to patch
it up. And Patrick Henry like, there's no more patching
it up.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
William. It almost seems to hear you lay it out.
It almost seems as if they wanted a revolution, just
poking people in the ribs and poking them in the
ribs and poking them in the ribs. And I understand
the son never set on the British Empire. But even
for a king, how could you be that arrogant to
not see a revolution coming.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Well, he was thirty eight years old, King George the third,
and he had profiia, a blue blood disease where if
you intermarry to keep the royal blood, after a while
you've intermarried too much. And after the revolution, seriously after
the revolution, they put King George the Third in a
royal insane asylum and he gets out and he's giving
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his speech and he says, my lord's in my peacock
because the ladies had the fancy hats with the feathers,
and they realized he still wasn't, so they put him
back in the Royal in sant asylum, and the Duke
of Windsor took overrun in England in his place, And
so they tried to say that that, you know, it
really got bad after the revolution. But I don't think
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he was playing with a full deck of cards the
whole time. But sort of like, you know, God hardened
Pharaoh's heart because he wanted Israel to break away. In
a sense, maybe he was belligerent on purpose because God
wanted America to become free.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
It sounds like the Christian faith played a significant role
in the revolution, but I don't want to overstate that
did it or was it just something that was alongside
the revolution?
Speaker 6 (43:49):
Right, So we have to realize that in Europe it
was Catholic, and then the Reformation in every country had
its own denomination. Northern Germany and Sweden were Lutheransland Calvin
and Scotland Presbyterian, Holland Dutch Reformed, and they didn't get along,
and so we're chasing people out of each other's countries. Well,
those were the displaced people that spilled over and founded
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colonies in America. So every colony was started by a
different Christian denomination. Virginua's Anglican, Massachusetts was Puritan, Rhode Island
was Baptist, Maryland was Catholic, Pennsylvania Quaker, Connecticut and Newmpshire Congregationalists.
New York Dutch Reform, Delaware and New Jersey were Swedish Lutheran,
and they didn't get along, and they were turre and
feather each other. But then they all had to work
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together against the king after the Revolution. Their attitude was
we may not always agree on religion, but you were
willing to fight and die for my freedom. But when
you realize that the same states that sent representatives to
do the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution in seventeen
seventy six, nine of the states required their representatives to
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be Protestant. All you had to do is be a
plain Christian, right, and so Delaware's seventeen seventy six state
constitution said every officeholder had to make a declaration of
belief in God, Jesus Christ's only Son, the Holy Ghost
One God bless her evermore. I mean, that's that was Delaware,
you know. So Ben Franklin signed Pennsylvania's constitution in seventeen
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seventy six, which said every officeholder had to believe in God,
the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of
the good, the punisher of the wicked, and acknowledge the
scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given
by divine inspiration. Right, so you not only had to
lay your hand on a Bible, yeah, to where you
believed in the Bible. But these were the states that
sent the representatives to do the Declaration and the Constitution
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and the Bill of.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Rights, and so.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
One little trivia the continent second Continental Congress does the
Declaration of Independence just two months before that May of
seventeen seventy six, the Continental Congress unanimously passes a day
of fasting and prayer to Almighty God through the merits
and mediation of Jesus Christ, and they give a copy
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to Washington, and he orders his troops to observe this
day of fasting and prayer. And then Washington appoints chaplains
to every regiment. And so you look at the revolution.
My wife and I put together a book called Miracles
in American History. The Battle of Brooklyn Heights, the British
find a loyalist to lead ten thousand troops through Jamaica,
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pass in New York and attack George Washington from behind.
On August twenty seventh, seventeen seventy six. Three thousand Americans
are killed, only three hundred British. And then Washington's pinned
up against the water. The sun goes down, and he's
trying to ferry his troops across, but the sun starts
to come up, and you only move half the troops.
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And so his chief of intelligence, Major Ben Talmage, describes
a fog that settled and blocked it so that you
couldn't see a man at six yards distance. And then
Washington is able to remove all the rest of the troops,
and then the fog lives and the British charge nobody's there.
I mean, there's miracle after miracle that allowed us to
break away from the most powerful military force in the
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world and create a country where we the people are
in charge government from the consent of the governed.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's wonderful. William, thank you so much for that. I
appreciate you very much. Final thoughts. Thanks. I love this country.
I know you love this country. Just know this, just
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quick final thought. We are blessed by God to have
this opportunity to live here, to be born here, to
die here, and I am so grateful for it. And
I'm grateful for the men who fought the most powerful
empire on the planet so you and I can live free.
We'll do it again.
Well, it just seemed like the time we should have
a little chat about the American Revolution because we still
have problems, we always will have problems, but we need
to remember how blessed we are. That's really what I
wanted to talk you about. And we have three incredible
guests that are going to come at this revolution from
different angles, and you're about to learn so much on
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the show. But I just want to remind you of
this revolution. The toppling of a government, it's not a
new concept. It's happened since well since man started to
establish governments on Earth. People get sick of it, they
topple it. It almost always ends bad. Why Why does
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it almost always end bad? And you see that, you
can see this today. You'll have an evil government, an
evil tyrant, something horrible, and we'll think, well, well, let's
just get rid of it. And we do several times.
We've participated in it several times and you think, whoa,
it can't possibly get worse. We got rid of this guy.
But it's almost always worse. Why is that, Well, it's
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because usually the people with the most power, the most guns,
they're the ones who fill up the power vacuum when
a government has been toppled. So you may kick out
a tyrant, an evil tyrant, a bad man, but the
guy who is the most powerful, who's willing to shoot
the most people in the face or stab him, if
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we're going back to ancient history, he's the one who
ends up taking over. And then you went from one
tyrant to an even worse tyrant slash warlord. But that
didn't happen here. We are one of the few few
countries you can ever name in human history where we
had a revolution. We tossed off a tyrant. And the
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men who led our revolution, they absolutely could have taken
power established some sort of monarchy and oligarchy here. But
the men, wealthy, powerful men who led our revolution, they
wanted something different. You me, we exist here two hundred
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and forty nine years later, was something different because our
revolution was about casting off tyranny and making sure we
never replace it. They didn't want to replace the King
of England when they tossed him out. They wanted the
American people to be free. And I wanted to nail
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down on this really quickly before we get to our guests.
Land of the Free. Free America is free. Don't let
that word mean nothing. It's become so watered down now
that we don't even really understand what we're talking about.
To be free means that you the citizen, you can
criticize your government openly, out in the public square without fear.
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It means you, the American citizen, you are allowed to
be armed because it doesn't matter whether or not the
government wants you to be armed. You should be armed
because you the individual, you are sovereign, and you have
every right to protect yourself, your family, and your property.
Now these concepts may seem oh yeah, I get that.
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You don't understand how unique that is in human history.
In fact, how unique it is in the world today
as we speak right now. That's not how most people
live on this planet. But you do and I do,
and we have that blessing because of the Revolution, not
that's just because we fought a war with the most
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powerful country on Earth and one because we fought a
war with the most powerful country on Earth one and
created a free society. Just the state system itself, the
federal government limited. That's really what most of the Constitution
is about. Putting up walls fences around the federal government.
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You're only allowed to do this and only allowed to
do that anything else. The states get to govern themselves.
The people deserve to be free, The people deserve to
choose what they want. You me, our children, they get
to enjoy that country. And that is so incredibly unique
in human history. That's not usually how it goes. We
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are blessed. Our revolution is rare. It's the rarest thing
in the world, and we're just so blessed by God
to be here. I hope you realize that the American Revolution,
we all think we kind of know the high points,
and maybe we do know the high points, but there's
so much more to it. So we thought we thought
it'd be a good time to bring in some experts,
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guys who've written books on it, dissected it. I mean
even things like give me liberty or give me death.
Everyone knows that speech, But what was that all about?
What was happening at the time. Well, I think we
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slash Jesse TV. All right, so how do you teach history?
How should you teach history? Your nation's history. Certain countries,
like ours in certain sectors, teach their kids that the
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country sucks. Certain countries go completely the opposite way, maybe
over the top, maybe too over the top, depending on
who you are countries like Japan. Let's ask someone who
actually teaches it instead of me. Joining me now, the
great doctor Wilfred maclay of the amazing Hillsdale College, which
is near and dear to my heart, an author of
the book that I would recommend if you're looking to
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learn about this land of Hope. All right, doctor, you
have the awesome responsibility of teaching young minds about America,
American history, the Revolution. How do you do it? What's
the right way?
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Well, there are a lot of things. I think the
first and foremost thing is you have to think of
yourself as being involved in helping deform citizens a good citizens,
people who are going to be informed, effective, judicious, non
crazy to function as citizens in a democratic, republican society.
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And that doesn't just happen by osmosis. They have to
learn certain things. They have to learn the principles of
our way of life, of our government. So that's what
I see as the foremost responsibility.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
But I also think.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
You ought to teach history is something that is part
of their heritage, that it's an inheritance, and it's a
good inheritance. It's not an inheritance of disease or debt.
It's a or not that exclusively is an inheritance of
freedom and the freedom that people have fought for, died for,
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sacrifice for, and given they're all to perpetuate. So there
should be an attitude of gratitude, if I may put
it that way. And I definitely am not of the
school thought the first kind of historian that you cited
in your intro. I think it's an extraordinary country and
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they should know it, and they should be grateful for that,
and they should take up the task of perpetuating it.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
Amen. No, I agree one hundred percent. I love that.
I love that line. I'm preparing citizens. Do you find
now I should preface this by saying, I understand Hillsdale
College is going to get a certain kind of student,
a student that's probably more ready to hear from someone
like you than you know, Berkeley or something like that.
But do you find the students you get ready for
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that message? Are they have they been taught something different?
Do they do they soak it up like a sponge?
Do they push back? How's that go?
Speaker 3 (09:43):
Well?
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Look, I feel very privileged to be at Hillsdale. I've
only been here for four years, and actually, if somebody
my age would normal people would be thinking about retirement.
My idea of retirement is getting carried out in a
pine box. So I love what I do so much,
and I think it's too important to you know, I
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have no interest in playing golf or shuffleboard, so you
know what am I going to But seriously, it's a
privilege to teach at Hillsdale. But I've only done it
for the last four years. The other thirty six seven
years i've been teaching, I've been at other places, some
of which were very good or I had very good experience.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
It's very good students. I had great students at the University.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Of Oklahoma, for example, where I was for eight years
and before coming to Hillsdale. And I have great affection
for Hillsdale for Oklahoma. But I would have to say,
unlike Hillsdale students, you can't You don't know what you're
going to be getting. In terms of having a kind
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of eager, hungry predisposition to know more about a country
that they all any love and they want to know
more why about why they should love it.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
You have to you have to do some persuasion.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
And students come in with very bad mistaken ideas. For example,
I think other places that I've taught, the assumption that
students have coming into the class is that the United
States invented slavery, and really only the Southern States. So
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there's a unique kind of burden of guilt that we bear,
and that's absolutely rubbish. You know, we did not invent slavery.
Slavery has been universal, It's almost been more the rule
than the exception in the.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
History of humankind.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
We did something extraordinary beginning around the eighteenth century that
we and the Anglo American world started to move towards
abolition of slavery, and we America, the United States in America,
had the first anti slavery you abolitionist society in the world. So, yes,
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we were guilty of this institution that the human race
has largely outgrown, although there's a lot of it going
on today in the world.
Speaker 3 (12:18):
That's another subject.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But we have led the way in dealing with our faults,
and I think that's one of the things that kids
need to get is an understanding you don't have to
claim perfection for the United States of America to be
proud of it, and to be proud of our founding fathers,
who were fallible leaders. If you're looking for infallibility in
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your heroes, you're never going to find any heroes because
there aren't any infallible.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Men in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
But what is great about us It is not only
that we have a great beginning founded on great principles,
but we've been trying and trying, trying decade after decorating,
I guess, century after century to live up to those
ideals that are foundational to us, and I think accentuated
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the negative, especially when we come up on our two
hundred and fiftieth anniversary, seems to be.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
Very wronghanded. But you're right.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
There are America Sucks contingents out there and full force,
particularly in higher education, which is really very sad.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
No it is. And I'll tell you doctor, I'm a
history freak. Obviously, I'm just a fan. I'm not a
historian like you are, but I'm a history freak. I
just hoover it up, I read, I watch it all,
and it has been very difficult for me, as a
history fan to watch what has happened to the subject
of history. I actually argue repeatedly it's one of the
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most damaging thing the America haters have taken over. You
can't just download a podcast now while getting some sort
of America sucks version of history a new book. It's
some America sucks version of history, and I can't stand it.
It's awful.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
Well, and you know, the funny thing about it is
that they are so moralistic, and you know, you can't
you can't talk about just in an objective way about slavery,
how it is different at different times and in different regions,
and you know, just understand it as a human institution
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of a particular time and place.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
You have to deliver a sermon on the subject.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
And that, again, that gets in the way of historical understanding.
History is not a morality play, even though I also
insist that we have much to be very very proud
of about our history. And but you know, another reason
to teach history, eric in history to our students is
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that this is something, is their heritage. It's a precious thing,
and to teach it wrongly, to teach it as a
source of shame, is really to deprive them.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
It's like depriving somebody of their inheritance.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
And I think that's morally offensive and also a big
waste of time that could be better spent inculcating them
with a sense of pride.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
You know.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
One of the things when I was working on the book,
I had a man I didn't know very well, a
very high end lawyer in New York, white shoe law firm,
who wanted to meet me, and we had dinner together,
and he made this statement that absolutely blew me away.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
It's a simple statement.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
Many of your listeners will say, well, duh, But I
had not thought about this. He said, Look, I think
that when you teach young people that they live under
a bad regime, it's damaging to their souls.
Speaker 3 (16:05):
And while that just hit.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Me very hard that the way you teach history it's
very important as an act of moral formation in the art,
and if you form them in the wrong way, it
could be damaging to them and permanent and very serious ways,
and have consequences for the nation too. But I have
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consequences for them in their individual lives so ever since then,
and I had informed my composition of the book. But
by the way, may I say, we have a new
second edition of Land of Hope coming out and it's
going to be great. We have three times as many
maps and images, all kinds of features that teachers are
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going to love. It's a kind of non textbook textbook.
That's what I stroked it. And everybody tells me they
love reading it. So you know, who am I to object?
But I think they're going to love the two point
oh the Land of Hope two point oh better.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Oh, I'm going to so nerd out on this book.
I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Well,
we'll send you a copy as soon as I get it. Oh,
that's all over it. I'm all over it. Why do
you call it a Land of Hope?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Because well, and that was the first thing I did
when I before I started writing it, I thought to myself,
you know, the title is really going to be very important,
and I thought of and.
Speaker 3 (17:38):
It came to me very quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And for this reason that it America is.
Speaker 3 (17:46):
America is a place.
Speaker 2 (17:47):
It's an idea, but it's also a sort of spiritual concept.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
And in this sense that we.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
It's part of our national makeup, a part of our
nation creed.
Speaker 3 (18:01):
We're made up of many people.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
We are a nation of immigrants, in the sense that
the entire Western hemisphere was populated by people who had
come from somewhere else. Even the indigenous peoples had come
from somewhere else. They'd come from Asia. But all the
people who came westward, but the very important exception of
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enslaved Africans, came in search of a better life. They
wanted to take a chance on a new place, a
new location, a second chance at life, not to be
condemned to live out their lives in the conditions into
which they were born, whether they were Polish peasants or
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what have you. That America's was a chance at a
second chance. And you know, it's a land of hope
in that the hopes of improvement of one's life and
also the hope because it's that we've always been a
very religious people. I said, a hope that while it's
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the original Puritan saught that they could establish a true
church in a new Zaia, the new world. Uh So,
in some ways it's we are the most I say,
we're the most aspirational people on earth, probably the most
aspirational people that have ever been. And that's why my
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Land of Hope seemed to me to be the perfect title,
because hope is aspiration, Hope is that is uh that
that that substance towards which we we yearn, the things
for which which may be material, they may be spiritual.
Speaker 3 (19:48):
All of these things are part of our makeup.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
Doctor. You make me want to go sit in your class.
Not that I could ever get into Hillsdale, but you
make me want to go sit in your class. A
land of hope. I will be picking it up, Thank you,
sir very much. That guy's awesome. Gosh, I'm just so
geeking out on the revolution. Anyway, we have more with
another expert. Next. I love chips. Did you know that
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all make a mistake with history. I shouldn't say we all.
I make a mistake with history where we look back,
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especially on something like the American Revolution, the early days
of this country, and we think to ourselves, Wow, I mean,
they didn't have the criminal government we have now that
be FBI and all this crimes and cover ups and lies,
that this is a new phenomenon. But there's nothing new
under the sun. As the Good Book says, joining me
now is somebody who knows just a little bit more
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about this than I do. Donald Jeffrey's, author of the
book Crimes and cover Ups in American Politics from nineteen
seventy six to nineteen sixty three. Donald, are you telling
me there were there were cover ups in crimes back
in the seventeen hundreds. That doesn't sound right.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
As you said, there's nothing new under the sense hard
to believe.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
Isn't it what happened back then?
Speaker 5 (22:13):
Well, I think you know it's that book covers a
whole lot of territory. It does start from the American
Revolution on.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
But I think you know that.
Speaker 5 (22:21):
I think the first thing you remembers was we have
a unique situation here where we have a country that
was formed, and at this point in history, the people
that rule this country now want nothing to do with
the founders of the country or the documents that for
at matter, so they basically ignore the founding In fact,
when I was researching that book, I watched a lot
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of movies. I watched a lot of movies anyhow, and
I've found, in my astonishment that Hollywood pretty much has
always ignored the founding fathers. There's never been a biography
about George Washington or Thomas Jefferson, Benjamin Franklin, any of them,
which is odd given the patriotic films they had back
in the day. And in fact, when mel Gibson made
the movie The Patriot, I think in the late nineties,
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I don't know if you remember, but it caused a
great deal of controversy, and it was just it was
just a straightforward account of one man's you know, fight
against the British and you think that would be a
harold It is a patriotic film, no they I mean
all the usual suspects. You're raked it over the calls.
How can you make this film? This is full of
hate and everything. So it's it's very unique because we
still have leaders that swear to uphold the Constitution, and
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I don't think very many of them believe in the Constitution.
So I don't know there are other other countries like this,
but we have a unique situation here where our founding
documents and our founders, which of course are increasingly vilified now.
When I was a kid, they were still heroes. Largely
none are heroes now except Alexander Hamilton, who's been transformed
into a black Broadway star because he was the banker's
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favorite founder and invented debt, so of course he would
he would be welcome today. But none of the others,
especially Thomas Jefferson, my favorite, has been really chastised and
unfairly treated, and he you know, wrote the timeless Declaration
of Independence and was probably the first classical liberal which
I based my politics on.
Speaker 1 (24:08):
Where did he learn his politics?
Speaker 5 (24:12):
Well, I think he was certainly inspired by John Locke
and and you know people like that. But he, you know,
he had an open mind. He was one of the
free thinkers you know, of his day, and he was
he was a product of the Enlightenment. Of course, he
came long later in the Enlightenment, but probably you could
argue that the American Revolution was maybe one of the
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greatest accomplishments of the Renaissance. It came down, it came
a little later, but these were free thinkers who no
longer thought we had to have royalty. We don't need
a king or queen. And that was the idea and
the most revolutionary concept they came up with was the
consent to the government. You know, no other nation had
done that before, so you know, we we're gonna you know,
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in most other countries it was by royal decree. You know,
you listen to the king or you didn't. But in America,
this was no you know, these you have a right
to be governed by those that you consent to have
you governed. So you know, that's why it's you know,
when we look at something like later on during the
Civil War. That's why there's a big dichotomy between what
happened then what happened in Civil War, because clearly in
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eighteen sixty there were people, you know, seven thirty that
can be thirteen states who no longer consented. So it
kind of made a mockery of what we were because
we were founded on the consent of the governed. And
now I don't know how many millions we look at
a secession. Now we've got probably between the red and
Blue states, how many millions of people don't want to
live with, you know, the other seventy or eighty million,
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lots of us And so we're not consenting anymore. And
I'm not sure what will happen out of that, because
we've never had the kind of division that we have
now in anywhere, and certainly during the Civil War you
had basic foundational issues that everyone agreed on God for instance.
Now we don't have anything like that. We don't have
any type of fundational issue. So I don't think what
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happened in seventeen seventy six would would be remotely possible today.
And people always need to remember as well that that
revolution was led by the one percenters of their day,
these people you know, John Hancock, George Washington, Benjamin Franklin,
Thomas Jefferson. They were like the Bill Gates and jeff
Bezos of the day. So I certainly can't imagine the
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one percenters that now they're the villains of our day
to most of us. But I don't think the warfare
independence would have been possible because most people are followers,
and I don't think they would have had the wherewithal
or even the desire to lead a revolution by themselves.
But we had the people of influence that basically sparked this,
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and then you had Thomas Paine, another rich guy who
wrote Common Sense, which was just a little forty eight
page pamphlet, but it had a huge impact on the public.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
The population back then during this revolution. They ended up
coming together after the revolution, but we were divided during
it as well. Obviously, as you well know, there were loyalists,
there were revolutionaries, there were people who kind of sat
the thing out. How in the world did we come
together after that?
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Well, it's a good question.
Speaker 5 (27:14):
In One of the most notable examples would be everybody
remembers that they've seen the picture the painting of Benjamin
Franklin with his little son, you know, flying the kite,
you know, and being hit by lightning, and that little
boy ended up being a loyalist and Benjamin Franklin, and
that was probat of the most notable schism from the Revolution.
They never talked to each other for the rest of
our lives. Very very sad case. But I think you know, again,
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people had it. There was there was a There were
certainly people that you had Federalists and at the beginning
of the Republic that the great issue of the day.
One of the great issues was was a central bank,
which later when we look at the Federal Reserve and
things like that, it culminated that. Obviously the other side one,
the federalists one, but at the time you had people
like Jefferson and Madison and Patrick Kenny before he got
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people like that were arguing against that, and that was
a crucial issue, but it wasn't so much as it
wasn't a deal breaker. So you had people like Jefferson
and Adams who had one of the most contentious presidential
campaigns of all time eighteen hundred, who later became wrote
some of the greatest letters in the history of correspondence.
I mean, people still treasure the letters between Jefferson and
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Adams for the next twenty five years or so. They
both lived into old age, but they were able to
bury their differences. So I think the differences were small
back then because they believed in the consent of the government.
And I don't know how many of them took it
to the degree that Thomas Jefferson did, but especially in
this age of people talking about insurrection and what happened
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with the January sixth and all that, when you look
at the wording of the Declaration of Independence, what Jefferson
notably said, anytime that people grow weary or dissatisfied with
the government, they have they have every right to alter
it or abolish it. Now, I don't think there's a
leader in America today that would agree with that. They
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would say, well, yeah, yeah, you do have the right
to alter abolish it. I mean what leader would possibly
say that. Maybe Thomas Massey, I don't know, but I
don't know if anybody else. And so it's a great thing,
and again it's something revolutionary because the idea was that
you have to so if you don't consent, and right now,
I suspect you're on my side. There's seventy or eighty
million of us that don't consent to, you know, the tyranny,
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the degree of tyranny that we're being subjected to. We
don't I mean, no taxation with that representation. And there's
that was invented by a guy named James Otis has
been completely forgotten and went out in classics conspiratorial fire
style where he was struck by lightning as he was
standing in a doorway and died that way. But he's
the one who invented the taxation with no tax no
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taxation with that representation. But that's very important now because
most of us look at it. It's what are we
being taxed for? And we look at what we're what
are we getting back? In terms of the USAID disclosures
certainly showed just a a very minute bit of the
fraud that's going on. We have no idea what we're financing,
but we I do know. I live in one of
the richest counties in the United States, and I you know,
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congressmen live here in the US Press Corps. I drive
out in their potholes everywhere. The infrastructure is a joke.
The power grids here, So what exactly are we paying for?
And yet we all have always have money for Ukraine
or Israel or any kind of whatever whatever needs to
be done in that direction, or the you know, the
next congressional pay raise. So so many people are dissatisfied
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with that. But that's why it gets to the core.
If you know, if you if this really is a
government by consent, then there's many millions of us, but
we can't succeed. I mean, what would what would happen
if everybody the voted for Donald Trump and then some decided, well,
you know, we're just we're going to form our own country.
I mean, I guess you would have you know, something
that would make the Civil War palel by comparison, because
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I don't think they would. They would let us leave peacefully.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
No, I don't think they would either. So why don't
we change it? Why don't the American people march to
the polls? All of the House of Representatives can be
removed every two years. Everybody knows this, but we don't.
Speaker 5 (31:11):
Why Well, and that's a good question. And you know,
I've talked about this all the time that Congress has
I think about a five percent approval rate in polls,
and yet the average reelection raised like ninety six percent. So,
I mean, I don't know how to explain that. How
do we make that make sense? But I mean, how
does Lindsey Graham or Chuck Schumer or how did Nancy Pelosi?
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How did these people possibly get re elected?
Speaker 3 (31:35):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (31:36):
I mean, I can't conceive of anybody that would would
elect these people. So that's of course where you get people,
and we saw it during twenty twenty with the vote
fraud that was so transparent in twenty twenty, is that
so many people believe that your vote doesn't count, because
either way, it's a terrible prospect to consider. If the
votes count, then you have to say that somehow, especially
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on the Republican side, Republicans are re electing these people
for whatever reason. You've had maga candidates and good people
that challenge some of these rhinos and they usually go
down to defeat. And but on the other hand, would
the other possibility is that they're not counting the votes,
in which case it makes no sense to even attempt
to vote. So's it's a good question. This is why
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where we are right now in the trumpets administration two
point zero with all the promises made, and we have
people in place there that we should start seeing some changes.
And that's why it's so disappointing when you have somebody
like Cash Betel, who you know, makes a comment like
Epstein killed himself and you know Dan Bongino basically backing
him up, when you know, you get recordings of Dan
Bongino questioning it. That's where people get so jaded and
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why people get so cynical, because, Okay, we have people
in here that most people applauded. The RFK Junior is
personal hero of mine. I still don't know for sure
what he's doing. I think he's doing some good things,
but I don't know. I hear from the alt media
the he's not. I really don't know. So we have
to look at what's actually being a cop I said.
I thought doags was a great idea, and it was
wonderful one. But why has it stopped? I mean, they
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were supposed to audit the Pentagon, let's audit the CIA,
le's audit the Federal Reserve. Imagine what we'll find there.
But now that Elon Musky is feuding with Trump, that
kind of seems to have been halted, and even the
disclosures from the USA, I d you had millions of
Americans who were upseted. No, don't tell us about the fraud.
I mean I had people that were friends of mine
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who have Trump or agent syndrome, and they literally argue
with me that they didn't believe there was fraud in government.
I said, really, this surprises you. You actually thought that
there was no fraud in government and it was a
drop in the bucket. I can't imagine what the Federal
Reserve would show, or the CIA, or the you know,
these bigger agencies, the Pentagon itself. But so I think
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that would be a start. But again it's a question
of we have to all be on the same page,
and I don't. I think the problem is that millions
of us disagree with other millions about what the problem is.
I mean, there there are millions of people out there
that that are okay with you know, transgender surgery for
you know, for elementary school students. I cannot possibly reason
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with somebody like that. I can't discuss that rationally. And
there's millions more like me. So how do you possibly
live in the same culture with with someone like that?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, it's tough. Donald. That was awesome. Appreciate you, sir.
All right, we're going to talk some more about the
American Revolution. I promise next, give me liberty or give
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me death. Everybody knows that quote. Everybody knows that quote.
Even America haters know that quote. It's got a real,
uh John Wayne feel to it. So what was it about?
Why did it last so long? Let's talk to somebody
who knows a little bit of something about all this stuff.
William J. Federer, author of a wonderful book called American Minute. William,
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what's that quote? What's that speech all about? What was happening? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (35:19):
Well that was Patrick Henry and he gave that to
rally the colonies to declare independence against the King of England.
So the King of England was a globalist. He was
a one world government guy. Matter of fact, the default
setting for human government is gangs and a gang leader
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with enough weapons we call a king. And from the
Nimrod Tower of Babbel to Alexander the Great Julius Caesar
until the hunt, the kingdoms keep getting bigger because with
the latest military advancement, kings can kill more people, until finally,
at the time of the Revolution. The King of England
was the most powerful king. The son never sat on
the British Empire. He had India, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong,
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British Kuyana, Canada, Barbados, Bermuda, Jamaican America, and America's founders
decided they didn't like a globalist king telling us what
to do, so they broke away and flipped it and made.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
The people the king.
Speaker 6 (36:11):
So the colonies had Patrick Henry. He was the five
time governor of Virginia. He was the most popular attorney
in Virginia, and he was rallying the country. He said
that the king is bringing armies of soldiers over here,
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and why there's no threat from France or the Dutch
or the Spanish. Why would he be doing it other
than to subjugatus. And he goes on to say that
I can hear the chains clanging to enslave us. And
he was a powerful speaker. His dad was as an Anglican,
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but his mom was a Presbyterian, and at the time
the Presbyterians were known as the resistance denomination to the king.
They were mostly from Scotland, and so in Virginia was
a Scottish Presbyterian preacher named Samuel Davies, and Patrick Henry
credits him with learning how to give speeches and stir
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people's hearts, and so matter of fact, whenever they would go,
he'd go with his mom. His mom would have him
recite the speech to him on the carriage on the
way back from the church. So his first law, at
first legal case was the parsons cause. So in Virginia
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you had Anglicans, and the Anglicans were paid by the
state actually with tobacco because they were tobacco farmers and
they had a poor cup and they couldn't pay it.
Yet the Anglican ministers still wanted to get paid the same,
so they appealed to the king, and the king said
they get paid the same. And so Patrick Henry is there.
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He says, the Bible says you're to take care of
the orphan of the widow, but you're making orphans and
widows by forcing him to sell their family farm to
pay you to you know. And he's like lays into him.
And so they vote to give an award of one
dollar the equivalent to these these Anglican parsons. But they
lifted up Patrick Henry on their shoulders. He was like
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a hero too, but that was the first time that
he came out against something the king had done, and
so he was not afraid of speaking out and stirring
up the sentiment. The situation in the colonies was the
seventeen seventy ben Gall famine. The British HEAs India Company
took over Bengal and they rearranged their economy to grow
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profitable crops, and they didn't realize that they were messing
up the way they had done stuff for centuries. And
when a famine came, ten million people died. There were
streets ten thousand a day were dying of this famine
and dogs are around with you know, human body parts,
and it was horrible. And so the British East India
companies on the Verrgin bankruptcy. So they appealed to the
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King of England for a corporate bailout. Right the government
bailing out corporations. So the King said, okay, you can
tax England with your tea and raise the price of it.
But the people of England didn't want the taxes. So
the King says, okay, you can tax the colonies and
you can cut out the middlemen, and you can go
in there, and we can make sure no other countries
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can smuggle stuff into the colonies, and we can take
away the colonies right to have their own currency. And
we're going to have the judges be appointed by the
king rather than locally, so that you won't get justice
if you buck the king. And then we're going to
have the Stamp Act. Every single piece of paper, credit cards,
excuse me, playing cards, and wedding licenses and everything had
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to have a king stamp on it. And then Franklin
goes to England. It says there's no way you can
even collect the text. It's a rural country. And then
they passed the rits of Assists. Since this allows the
government to read everybody's emails. Now they didn't have email
back then, but your letters. The government could rifle through
everybody's letters and read it, and they could confiscate all
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your possessions, your farm, just on a suspicion of you
being disloyal to the king. And then they quartered in
your houses, all right, So they left over troops from
the French and Indian War and they would come up
to your house and they would sleep in your beds
and eat in your kitchen, and you'd have.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
To live in the attic.
Speaker 6 (40:29):
And so one by one they kept tightening the screws
and confiscating ships, and so you had a Boston tea
party and three hundred and forty two chests of tea. Well,
the king didn't like it, so he decided to blockade
Boston's harbor on June first, seventeen seventy five. Means no
business in and out. We're going to grind your economy
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to a halt. So Thomas Jefferson is in Virginia and
he writes a day a fasting and prayer, introduces it
in the Virginia legislature to be observed June seventeen seventy four,
the same day that Boston Harbor is being blockaded. George
Washington writes in his diary, went to church fasted all day.
And so the royal governor considers this a veiled threat
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to the king, so he disbands their house of burgesses.
The legislators go down the street to Raleigh Tavern. In
the back room, they plot to have a Continental Congress.
And then a couple months later they have the first
Continental Congress, and there from all the different colonies, and
you had Anglicans and Congregationalists and Presbyterians and Baptists and
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Lutherans and Dutch Reforms and a one Catholic. And there
was a motion to open with prayer, and they didn't.
One denomination didn't want to hear prayer from another denomination.
But Sam Adams stands up and he says, I'm no bigot.
I can hear a prayer of any man of piety
who at the same time as the patroot of our country.
So they have the first Continental Congress, and then the
next year they have the second Continental Congress. But that's
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when Patrick Henry gives his famous speech, give me liberty,
give me death, okay, Because you had certain ones like
John Dickinson Olive Branch petition. He's like, oh, let's apologize
to the king one more time. Let's try to patch
it up. And Patrick Henry like, there's no more patching
it up.
Speaker 1 (42:15):
William. It almost seems to hear you lay it out.
It almost seems as if they wanted a revolution, just
poking people in the ribs and poking them in the
ribs and poking them in the ribs. And I understand
the son never set on the British Empire. But even
for a king, how could you be that arrogant to
not see a revolution coming.
Speaker 6 (42:35):
Well, he was thirty eight years old, King George the third,
and he had profiia, a blue blood disease where if
you intermarry to keep the royal blood, after a while
you've intermarried too much. And after the revolution, seriously after
the revolution, they put King George the Third in a
royal insane asylum and he gets out and he's giving
(42:56):
his speech and he says, my lord's in my peacock
because the ladies had the fancy hats with the feathers,
and they realized he still wasn't, so they put him
back in the Royal in sant asylum, and the Duke
of Windsor took overrun in England in his place, And
so they tried to say that that, you know, it
really got bad after the revolution. But I don't think
(43:17):
he was playing with a full deck of cards the
whole time. But sort of like, you know, God hardened
Pharaoh's heart because he wanted Israel to break away. In
a sense, maybe he was belligerent on purpose because God
wanted America to become free.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
It sounds like the Christian faith played a significant role
in the revolution, but I don't want to overstate that
did it or was it just something that was alongside
the revolution?
Speaker 6 (43:49):
Right, So we have to realize that in Europe it
was Catholic, and then the Reformation in every country had
its own denomination. Northern Germany and Sweden were Lutheransland Calvin
and Scotland Presbyterian, Holland Dutch Reformed, and they didn't get along,
and so we're chasing people out of each other's countries. Well,
those were the displaced people that spilled over and founded
(44:11):
colonies in America. So every colony was started by a
different Christian denomination. Virginua's Anglican, Massachusetts was Puritan, Rhode Island
was Baptist, Maryland was Catholic, Pennsylvania Quaker, Connecticut and Newmpshire Congregationalists.
New York Dutch Reform, Delaware and New Jersey were Swedish Lutheran,
and they didn't get along, and they were turre and
feather each other. But then they all had to work
(44:32):
together against the king after the Revolution. Their attitude was
we may not always agree on religion, but you were
willing to fight and die for my freedom. But when
you realize that the same states that sent representatives to
do the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution in seventeen
seventy six, nine of the states required their representatives to
(44:58):
be Protestant. All you had to do is be a
plain Christian, right, and so Delaware's seventeen seventy six state
constitution said every officeholder had to make a declaration of
belief in God, Jesus Christ's only Son, the Holy Ghost
One God bless her evermore. I mean, that's that was Delaware,
you know. So Ben Franklin signed Pennsylvania's constitution in seventeen
(45:23):
seventy six, which said every officeholder had to believe in God,
the creator and governor of the universe, the rewarder of
the good, the punisher of the wicked, and acknowledge the
scriptures of the Old and New Testament to be given
by divine inspiration. Right, so you not only had to
lay your hand on a Bible, yeah, to where you
believed in the Bible. But these were the states that
sent the representatives to do the Declaration and the Constitution
(45:47):
and the Bill of.
Speaker 3 (45:48):
Rights, and so.
Speaker 6 (45:50):
One little trivia the continent second Continental Congress does the
Declaration of Independence just two months before that May of
seventeen seventy six, the Continental Congress unanimously passes a day
of fasting and prayer to Almighty God through the merits
and mediation of Jesus Christ, and they give a copy
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to Washington, and he orders his troops to observe this
day of fasting and prayer. And then Washington appoints chaplains
to every regiment. And so you look at the revolution.
My wife and I put together a book called Miracles
in American History. The Battle of Brooklyn Heights, the British
find a loyalist to lead ten thousand troops through Jamaica,
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pass in New York and attack George Washington from behind.
On August twenty seventh, seventeen seventy six. Three thousand Americans
are killed, only three hundred British. And then Washington's pinned
up against the water. The sun goes down, and he's
trying to ferry his troops across, but the sun starts
to come up, and you only move half the troops.
(46:56):
And so his chief of intelligence, Major Ben Talmage, describes
a fog that settled and blocked it so that you
couldn't see a man at six yards distance. And then
Washington is able to remove all the rest of the troops,
and then the fog lives and the British charge nobody's there.
I mean, there's miracle after miracle that allowed us to
break away from the most powerful military force in the
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world and create a country where we the people are
in charge government from the consent of the governed.
Speaker 1 (47:29):
That's wonderful. William, thank you so much for that. I
appreciate you very much. Final thoughts. Thanks. I love this country.
I know you love this country. Just know this, just
(47:51):
quick final thought. We are blessed by God to have
this opportunity to live here, to be born here, to
die here, and I am so grateful for it. And
I'm grateful for the men who fought the most powerful
empire on the planet so you and I can live free.
We'll do it again.
Host
Jesse Kelly
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