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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What's going on with all this Epstein stuff. I will
give you my thoughts. We also are going to bring
in Mike Ben's, who is going to drop more information
on you than you can possibly fathom. We'll touch on
those horrible floods in Texas and more coming up on
my Okay, I know what's on your mind, and I'm
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going to warn you right now that this show is
going to be incredibly informative, especially when Mike Ben's joins
us here in about ten minutes. But I'm about to
say some things that may make you angry. And I've
done this before, I will do it again because here's
what happens. We can all of us, myself included, We
can find ourselves getting whipped up in the mob, the
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rage mob, anger over something. Oftentimes that anger is justified.
Oftentimes that anger is righteous. But you're mad about it,
and he's mad about it, and he's mad about it.
And so perhaps right now you're turning tuning into I'm right,
and you're thinking, well, Jesse's about to sign on here
and call everybody at the FBI a bunch of dirty
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criminals and pambodies a dirty criminal. And Jeffrey Epstein did it,
and the government's covering it up, and well kind of
I'm going to do some of that, but here's the
reality of it. We form a picture in our mind
of what has happened. We form a picture. Most people
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have this picture in their mind. Jeffrey Epstein, wealthy billionaire,
trafficked underage women to the most powerful people in the
world in conjunction with the government, FBI, CIA, somebody and
now the government in order to cover its own rear
end they're covering the entire thing up. I would bet
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you money that's exactly the picture you have in your mind.
And I'm not telling you you're wrong, by the way,
But what happens is once you get that sure in
your mind, you want everybody you listen to on the
radio or watch on the television said you want them
to confirm what you have in your mind. So allow
me to explain my thoughts. I know about the leak,
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the Axios leak, where there's a no client list. The
FBI says that there's no evidence Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing
somebody and that there's no client list, and people are
bringing up things like Pam Bondi and her going on
TV and saying things like this.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, that really happened.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm
reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process
of being reviewed because that was done at the directive
of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So so, have you seen anything that you said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet. Okay, So let's be adults about
this and let's walk through this. Did Pam Bondy say
there was a list? You just watched the clip. Did
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Pam Bondy say there was a client list? No, that's
what the host said. I'm not criticizing the host. I'm
not even criticizing Bondi. She said, it's on my desk.
What's on her desk a file? A file created by
whom we don't know that it was Jeffrey Epstein's file.
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Do you believe that, if Jeffrey Epstein was a criminal
trafficking underage women, that he had a Microsoft word document
on his computer that says client list on it? Is
that what you believe. Pause on that for a moment.
You know who John Connolly is. You ever heard that name.
I'm being a sidetrack for a moment. Just stay with me.
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John Connolly was an FBI agent. John Connolly had a friend,
quite a friend, friend from childhood, a friend whose name
you do know for sure. His name is Whitey Bulger,
famous famous Boston area gangster. They had known each other
since they were children. Whitey Bulger chose a different path
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and John Connolly chose the FBI. Now, Whitey Bulger, as
you can imagine, knew a whole lot about the underworld,
all kinds of things, drugs, dealings with the Italian mafia,
structures of families. Anybody who's that high up in the
underworld is going to be a wealth of information. John Connolly,
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ambitious young FBI agent, wanted to be promoted like all
ambitious people do. Knows Whitey Bulger. They come to an agreement.
The agreement was Whitey's going to give John Connolly information,
information that is going to allow John Connolly to look really,
really good and smart to his bosses as he busts
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dirty people in the underworld. But there's always an exchange,
right in exchange. John Connolly looked out for Whitey Bulger
in terrible ways, ways that were illegal. He ended up
going to prison for all this spoiler alert. But John
Connolly protected his asset, protected his asset from prosecution. Whitey
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Bulger was an asset to John Connolly. John Connolly in return,
protected Whitey Bulger. This is not a one off story
about John Conley and Whitey Bulger and Boston. It's not
even a one off story about the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
This is how CIA works, the FBI works, local police
departments work. You will work with bad people. You will
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protect those bad people from prosecution in exchange for something.
Now that brings me specifically to this story around Epstein,
the DOJ, FBI, CIA. Do you do you remember Cash
Battel got confirmed in February and I came on here
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and I said this, he has a mountain to climb.
An evil secret state police agency is not just going
to lay down for the new director. They have been
working tirelessly since Donald Trump won that election to hide
their evil deeds. God only knows how many the emails
have been deleted, phone records evident. God only knows the
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horrible things they've been doing as they prepare to have
someone come in and shed light on them. Remember how
angry I got that Republicans were allowing Democrats to delay
confirmations of Pambondi, cash Betel. Remember remember the one big
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Trump nominee who didn't get through. There was one. It
was actually his first one. As a matter of fact,
all the other ones, as controversial as they may have
been to the media, all the other ones eventually got through.
The President gets his nominees. We had the House, we
had the Senate, but there was one guy who was
a bridge too far. Not even Donald Trump, having freshly
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won the election, super popular with the bully pulpit, not
even Donald Trump could get Matt Gates into the Attorney
General chair. They stopped Matt Gates immediately and then stonewalled
his replacement for as long as humanly possible. Now, let's
just say, for the sake of argument here, that Jeffrey
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Epstein was working with the FBI, CIA, somebody sort of
a Whitey Bulger type scenario arrangement, if you will. Jeffrey
Epstein is providing this, They are in turn protecting him
from that. Do you think if you're at the FBI, CIA.
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Do you think if you have a file revealing your
horrible deeds and things you've done with je Jeffrey Epstein,
do you think you're just going to what, let us
sit on your desk? You think you're gonna just put
a big file like that on your desk, maybe put
a pack of cigarettes on it, and just kind of
wait there, Well, this is the file. I'm just gonna
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wait around till till there's a new FBI director, till
there's a new Attorney general. And I mean, I hope
nobody finds it. You do remember that a paper shreddered
truck was parked outside of the DJ right you know
that criminals in the government and outside of it, they
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destroy evidence that links them to crimes. You know that, right?
Of course? You know that. You're an adult, You get it.
That's what happened. And why do you think they stopped
Matt Gates and then delayed Pambondi and cash Pateel for
as long as humanly possible? Do you think they were
twiddling their thumbs at the FBI, at the CIA throwing
a big party. Let me tell you something else. I
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know this is from a source I have. I was
told by this source that that time was spent. Evil
people in these organizations were putting up how did they
put it to me? Trip wires all over the place. Oh,
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I realized Cash Ptels now the head of the FBI,
and oh Pambondi's the ag My goodness, she's the head
over all of it. And so you me. We want results.
I want the client list, I want the names of
all the bad people. I want everybody going to prison.
I want you to fix all this stuff right now.
But I'm here to tell you criminals delete evidence of
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their crimes. Even Pam Bondi got stonewalled by the FBI.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
A source told me New York, SD and Y. They're
sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein, thousands, thousands,
And of course you've seen the very strong letter. We
will get everything, we will have it in our possession.
We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Pam Bondi said, have the files on my desk. Head
of the New York Field Office said, uh, sorry, I
don't have time. Go have a beer. The FBI is
a thirty five thousand person agency CIA god knows how
many actually work for that DJ as well. Years and
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years and years and years and years, these organizations have
been filled up with committed communists, committed to destroying America,
committed to protecting themselves, protecting their organisations. You me, we
want information, We want results right away. We want the FBI,
dj CIA come out. No, no, no, you tell me who
the bad guys are. We're in charge now. Why won't
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you tell me? Do you think all the criminals inside
of these organizations are all gone? Come on, be serious.
So many of them are right where they've always been.
They use their time wisely to cover up for themselves.
You possibly probably got angry at the thought that the
DOJ was saying there's no evidence of a client list.
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There probably isn't. If there was, it was destroyed long ago.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, But I am right.
Mike Ben's is about to join us, and he's about
to drop more Jeffrey Epstein knowledge on you than you've
ever heard in your entire life. I promise you, cross
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learn a lot about this guy's sordid history, Central Intelligence
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you're having discussions about assets, intelligence operations, possibly suicides, murders,
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things like that, I don't know that there's anybody better
We could bring on to discuss all the ugliness than
Mike Bence's executive director, Foundation for Freedom Online, always putting
wisdom on us. All right, Mike, So the Epstein files, everyone,
everyone's talking about it right now, the news drops on
Sunday that it looks like we're kind of walking away
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from the whole thing. I don't know. I gave my thoughts, Mike.
I just I have a hard time believing that they
were sitting on evidence of their crimes for a long time,
just not shredding them or deleting them. I just have
a hard time believe in it's still there, to be
honest with you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, me too. I mean, it's a strange sequence that
we ended up here. It looks like there was somebody
maybe inside DJ, who gave the this Justice Department memo
to Axios. It doesn't look like the DJ has formally
acknowledged this at this point as of the time of
our recording. There's been very loud cricket sounds that I
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hear outside, but no kind of official acknowledgement. In fact,
Axios even deleted the document that they uploaded so that
even in the article itself you can no longer see it.
But of course the Internet pulled that immediately, and now
we're here where the official word is no client list.
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The suicide estimation by the FBI is now being ratified
by DJ, and this is definitely an escalation in terms
of what had been hinted at through FBI earlier. DOJ
is the keeper of the interagency and the interagency secrets.
FBI is, of course primarily for domestic intelligence. It's the
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intelligence arm of DOJ. But FBI is firewalled from CIA
on many things. And it has been my contention along
that what you're dealing with with Epstein is the CIA network,
not the FBI network. In fact, the FBI, to the
extent that this was an intelligence asset or an intelligence
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network around Epstein, the FBI would be studiously firewalled off
from that in order to avoid giving a legal predicate
for federal law enforcement to make arrests of folks who
were involved in US state craft or any sort of
international state craft or intelligence that the US wants to
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keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Mike, you say, CIA, describe what you think I mean.
I'm assuming some of this is theory because we're never
gonna know, But what do you think Epstein was to
the CIA.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, I think Epstein was working with the CIA in
the early nineteen eighties at the very start of his
career after he left bear Stearns. In nineteen eighty one,
right after leaving bear Stearns, Jeffrey Epstein created a one
person for profit company in his one bedroom New York apartment.
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It was called the Intercontinental Assets Group, and it held
itself out as a international bounty hunter for high net
worth individuals to both recover money and shield money internationally.
So the right away nineteen eighty one, he starts this
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company that basically helps that helped royalty and high net
worth individuals basically recover loan debts or assets owed to
them that were held in cryptic offshore bank accounts, as
well as helping them structure their own assets in a
way that would make it difficult or impossible for others
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to collect those assets. And in nineteen eighty two, just
one year into that, he got a fake passport, an
Austrian passport listing his residence as Saudi Arabia. This is
a fake passport. This was recovered by the FBI in
twenty nineteen when they drilled a hole in Jeffrey Epstein's
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safe and recovered this. Prosecutors held this passport up at
the Glene Maxwell trial. Now, this fake passport was so
good that it was able to go through four different
country checkpoints. It had a false name, but Jeffrey Epstein's
photo so that he could get back and forth. And
why Saudi Arabia Well because Jeffrey Epstein one of his
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main clients for the group that he set up in
nineteen eighty one was Odnan Koshogi. Odnan Koshogi was the
CIA arms runner for the Iran contra affair. When Congress
blocked the US federal government through a congressional law called
the Bolan Amendment, with the Democrats controlling the House of
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Representatives banning any US funds from being directed to the
overthrow of the Nicaraguan Sandinista government, and the Reagan White
House and National Security Council and Central Intelligence Agency wanted
to do it anyway. They were left with a problem,
which was that the CIA had been neutered during the
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Jimmy Carter years. There have been prohibitions on the categories
of covert activity it could do. The Boland Amendment from
Congress blocked them from using usaid funds or State Department
funds to run the operation. Enter Jeffrey Epstein and odd
Non Koshogi, his client during the Iran contra affair, which
dogged the entire Reagan administration. When all this came out,
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the US was selling arms together with Israel to Iran,
which is kind of ironic as we as the current
geopolitics of Israel Iran play out around missiles flying overhead
earlier this month between those two countries. Israel and the
US were selling weapons to Iran at that time through
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odd Non Koshogi, the Saudi arms dealer who had been
working with the CIA for thirty years. In fact, this
all came out informal under oath testimony from the Paris
office of BCCI, which was the Bank of Commerce International,
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one of the largest banks in the world, which was
effectively a CI proprietary bank for running arms to the
Mujahadeen when the CIA was creating the Islamo terrorist network
that would later become Al Qaeda and then Isis. Odd
Non Koshogi was a client of that bank together with
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the CIA, and the head of the head of the
Paris branch said that odd On Koshogi personally told him
that he was working for the Central Intelligence Agency and
Jeffrey Epstein was his money bundler. This is at the
height of the Cold War, mind you, and so you
see this relationship going back to the early nineteen eighties
and nineteen eighty five, Jeffrey Epstein becomes linked up with
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Les Wexner in Columbus, Ohio. Les Wexner was the head
of what at the time was the largest retailer in
the entire United States, Limited Brands, famous for Victoria's Secret
and many others. Wexner's tax attorney, Arthur Shapiro, was murdered
in a gangland style assassination in nineteen eighty five, the
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day before he was set to testify in an IRS
rand jury investigation. The IRS had been looking into the
Westerner Empire's finances and failure to I think file taxes
for something like five years and seven years of investigation.
Arthur Shapiro, who ran that was supposed to testify to
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the IRS grand jury just one day before he was
gunned down. It was right after that that Jeffrey Epstein
appears to meet Les Wexner and then go on to
have durable power of attorney over the entire Wexner Enterprise.
It was then in nineteen ninety three, Jeffrey Epstein personally
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negotiated sale the transfer of Air America, which would then
become Other air transport, a CI proprietary airline straight from
Miami where it got busted as part of the Iran
Contra gun trafficking and narcotics trafficking. In order to run
this illicit operation in Iran Contra, that very airline used
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Jeffrey and that Jeffrey Epstein was a critical part in
the structuring of this CIA operation. He then negotiated the
transfer of that CI airliner straight to Columbus, Ohio, where
the Wexner Empire was based, for the primary purpose of
transporting the limited's cargo between Ohio and Hong Kong, which
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is another one of these narco states. Hong Kong was
won by the British during the Opium Wars and has
been kind of a lawless gun and drug running zone
ever since. How does one get to be the financial
bundler for the CI's arms illicit arms trafficker in the
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Middle East without having any scrutiny from the Central Intelligence Agency.
How does one personally negotiate the transfer of a CIA
proprietary airline. By the way, Southern Air Transport declared bankruptcy
in Columbus, Ohio. The very day the CIA put out
an acknowledgment of Air America's role in the gun running
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in narco trafficking in Iran Contra. Subsequent to that, the
US State Department personally made Jeffrey Epstein the tenant on
the lease for one of the second largest residents in
all of New York City. This residence was seized from
the government of Iran as the US was putting sanctions
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on it, and then personally leased out to Jeffrey Epstein.
How do you have the State Department as your personal landlord?
Do you think you or I Jesse could score something
like that? The State Department then ended up in a
legal dispute with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein sub leased
that apartment to the defense lawyer for the French Connection
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and Pizza Connection drug scandals where you had CIA involvement
in narco trafficking that was effectively dealt you hushed over
in this trial through this very defense lawyer that Jeffrey
Epstein then leased the State Department building sees from iron
from what I'm trying to communicate here is that every
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aspect of the Jeffrey Epstein story is part of the
restructuring of intelligence work after the scandals of the nineteen seventies,
when the CIA was barred from doing activity directly, and
that's when USAID came into the picture and took the
baton from CIA and the NGO apparatus that were now
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living under with the National down for Democracy and INTERNEWS
and the US Agency for pa US Institute of Peace,
and the web of private contractors and private financiers in
order to be the frontmen for CIA operations. Jeffrey Epstein
was present at creation of that entire apparatus. There is
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zero chance on God's green Earth that there are no
CIA files on this guy. And the fact that this
Justice Department has effectively pointed us to the FBI when
this is a CIA job is not a good look
for transparency.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Dang, that is so much, Mike, Okay, So connect these
worlds to me then most people. For most people, that
is new information as you always bring us. But most
people know Epstein is this filthy trafficker of underage girls
with very powerful men, royalty billionaires, things like that. How
does he end up there? Is it simply blackmail? Is
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that it? You're just hoovering up black mail information because
you bring in president former president to covort with underaged women.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't believe jeffreyt I've not seen evidence I should
say that Jeffrey Epstein was directly involved in blackmail operations.
It would surprise me if he was. And I've studied
this as much as anyone really humanly can, and the
blackmail allegations, Now, certainly the CIA had history of doing
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Jeffrey Epstein's style sexual blackmail operations. Actually, in March of
this year, during the OD and i D classification of
the JFK files, there was a very Jeffrey Epstein like
figure named Robert Mayhew who the CIA was working with
to do sexual entrapment of high level political figures. And
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certainly the Jeffrey Epstein story can very much looks to
be similar to the Robert Mayhew story. But the problem
is is once you're directly involved with blackmail of say
a target in that network, word gets around quickly. You
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lose access to both that asset who is under the
duress and coercion, as well as all of that asset's
friends who they may tell and say, oh my god,
this guy's blackmailing me, and then everybody in the network
clams up. And when you're talking about a network of
that size, I.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Think that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The access agent theory around Epstein is far closer to
the mark where what you have is a deal maker,
what you have is someone. Think about the Iran Contra situation,
for example, you're talking about a very very complex supply
chain for illegal transport of illicit arms for a covert
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deniable operation that spans four different countries. In that case,
it was the US, Israel, the UK, and Saudi Arabia
as well as as their counterparts in Iran. So that's
five countries who all need to keep it super hush
hush quiet. You need to move through a web of
Cayman Island's offshore bank accounts and Panamanian offshore bank accounts.
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You need three dozen shell companies, you need the tax
attorneys and legal teams. You need basically backdoor skid greasing
and private commitments from a range of disparate individuals who
stretch business, finance, diplomacy intelligence. So somebody's got to know
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all those people, and somebody's got to set up those
deals and keep formal government channels at the US side
out of it. Jeffrey Epstein was clearly doing that in
the nineteen eighties. He clearly retained involvement in that throughout
at least the early nineteen nineties, and then went on
to this very high profile file, you know, banking life
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while he was power of Attorney over the Les Wesner Empire,
and then you know, proceeded to have a life of
essentially cavorting with all the world's richest and most famous
people to the extent that he continued to do intelligence
work at that point, I would say certainly access and
deal brokering would be sufficient to explain what he was doing. Now,
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it could be the case that he was passing on
information to intelligence agencies, and separate folks within the intelligence
world or other back channels may have used that information
collected by Epstein. But I don't principally think of Epstein
as being a blackmail story. I think of it as
being a deal maker story, and that helps you know,
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having the capital to do that, the financial capital to
do those deals is essentially what makes the deals work.
That he can negotiate them and running. You know, Epstein
and Company is private arm for doing that. After his
International Intercontinental Assets Group agency folded up in the early nineties,
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it looks like that's when he transitioned into this more
sort of you know, banking empire role that he had.
But that's how I see the story, So it would
not surprise me if there was no evidence around Epstein
and blackmail. But that actually does not make the picture
any less dark than it is, because if Epstein was
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still being used for deal making, for backchannel diplomacy, for
intelligence gathering, I think the American people, and frankly the
entire world has a right to know that. And given
the state of the DJ's handling of this, it doesn't
look like we're going to be getting answers on that
anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Mike, Okay, So let me ask this question this way.
If if he is a guy with connections, and it
certainly sounds like he has many to CIA, possibly FBL,
we don't know. But either way, these organizations have a long,
storied history of protecting criminals who are assets to them.
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Everyone knows that. I brought up John Donnelly and Whitey
Bulger in the open of the show. That's how it works, right,
How does he end up in trouble? He ends up
getting convicted of crimes, he ends up in jail. Who
did he make angry?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, So, when you're talking about the sheer number of
witnesses and scale of the operation, things can get away,
and oftentimes there's a turf battle between CIA and the
State Department. This happened, for example, in the case of
Orlando mas for in the late nineteen sixties. Orlando mas
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for A was a Cuban exile who was brought over
by the Central Intelligence Agency in the late fifties early
nineteen sixties and was intimately involved in running a network
of about one hundred and fifty to two hundred exile
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Cubans who were involved in everything from narcotics trafficking to
gun running as part of the CIA activities and Operation
Mongoose and the regionalization of the conflict against the government
of Cuba. Now, so Master was working directly for and
with the CIA for a time, and then he became
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a little too big for his breeches, went rogue. The
State Department told he thought that the JFK administration. This
is how he ended up in the JFK files. These
documents can describe to you here. He ended up believing
that the JFK administration was too soft on Castro, that
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it was not aggressive enough, it was not moving quickly enough,
that he needed to take matters into his own hands,
using the mercenary network that the CI had helped him cultivate.
And when the State Department the Western Hemisphere officials told
him that they were prohibiting him from unilaterally attempting a
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military coup in Cuba of their the Master's plan was
to take about two hundred mercenaries to invade the island
of Haiti and then use the Haitian docks as a
means to essentially create do a military attack on Cuba.
The State Department said, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Where are we are.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Formally blocking you from doing this. He went ahead and
tried to do it anyway. Customs and Border patrol caught
him and his men on the docks of Miami as
they tried to run this this private operation. They prosecuted
them under the State Department then petition the DOJ to
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arrest mass Fur for violations of the Diplomatic Neutrality Act.
The CIA then intervened and told the Justice Department don't
prosecute them. So what you had was a proxy war.
The State Department said, listen, these groups are getting out
of These Cuban groups are getting out of control. We
need to prosecute mas Fur in order to send a
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message to all the other Cuban military groups who are
thinking about doing this in the future that they can't
just set their own foreign policy on this. The CIA said,
if you arrest mas for all, this is going to
get out. We're already under so much heat from the
ramparts disclosures and from Senate investigations into CIA malfeasance. If
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the extent of the Mas forver Cia network comes out
in a criminal trial, it will undermine all CIA activities
out of the Miami brand, which it will become a
massive international scandal. And so the Justice Department was torn
between the State Department's directive to pursue prosecution and the
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CIA's directive to stop prosecution and let him skate free,
and effectively they ended up in a compromise. The State
Department is on top of CI. The CIA formally has
a relationship to State, just like FBI has to the
Justice Department. Everything CIA does has to be authorized by State. First,
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it's supposed to be the covert arm of the State Department,
the same way the FBI is the covert arm of
the Justice Department. So the State Department won that tug
of war. Massver was indicted by the Justice Department, but
the conditions put on it were that the CIA was
able to have a DOJ attorney embedded from CIA in
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order to midwife the prosecution, and in order to ensure
that no evidence was admitted in trial that revealed the
CIA network involved. That is, they had the government employees petition,
the government prosecutors petition the judge to not allow any
lines of evidence that might be brought up by the
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defendants that might reveal sources and methods or anyone in
the CIA adjacent network. So they got the prosecution, but
they kept the CIA secrecy. By the way, this is
all public now thanks to Tulca Gabbert. These You can
look at the nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty seven
CIA memos on Orlando mass for in the March twenty
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twenty five releases if you want to see all these documents.
I also did a one hour video presentation for my
subscribers on x on this as well, but I think
this is what happened in the Epstein case. I think
Epstein was clearly CIA, whether in a formal or informal,
more likely an informal role in the sense that the
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CIA would have had analyst, you know, analyst memos, cables,
a code name for Epstein, but not necessarily on payroll
or or a formal formal informant. But and then I
think you also have the international side of this, which
is all the CIA activity that is done jointly with
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British intelligence is rarely intelligence Saudi intelligence, and I think
a lot of those other governments may be exerting pressure
on the on the the Trump administration or the Justice Department,
in order to not reveal their role.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Ah, Mike, you are the best, my man. Go subscribe
to him by the way on next and hoover up
that video. Mike, my brother as always, thank you. I
appreciate you very much. It's ugly, isn't it. But tell
me that wasn't one of the most fascinating things you've
ever seen in your life. It's just the ugly world.
(38:00):
Spy games and assets and all kinds of things out there. Anyway.
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They take your money and they use it to spread
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never would. Let me tell you why they never would,
because that's quite a statement to make. Their CEO fought
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A company so patriotic they hire Americans. When you get
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what America means to them. You will pay less for
your cell phone. They're on the same network. It's time
to switch puretalk dot com slash Jesse TV back. Okay,
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so let's talk very briefly, not necessarily specifically about the floods,
but about the despicable communist reaction to it. First, before
we do that, pray. There are still people out there
right now, searching, hoping, hoping they don't discover something terrible. Prey.
(39:27):
People have lost so much prey. This is the time
to pray. Please pray for those families. Pray for this area.
It's worse than you can imagine. It's a natural disaster,
worse than you can imagine. And because because we've seen
so much loss of life, it hurts you, right, It
stirs something in you no matter what, no matter what,
(39:48):
you look at these videos and you see this death
and these little girls and the families, and it wrecks you,
and you want to do something. You want to help,
You want to pray, you want to hope for the best.
And that's good. I'm glad you have a heart. So
why is it that you reacted like that and the
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communists reacted like this?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
How much do you think the changing climate is part
of what we are seeing go on here?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I think climate change is obviously a part of it.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
To Texas, National Weather Service offices involved in forecasting and
warning about flooding on the Guadalupe River are missing some
key staff members. A director of the NWS union told
CNN that the Austin, San Antonio office is missing a
warning coordination meteorologist due to the Trump administration's buyouts. Do
(40:45):
you have any indication whether those or other cuts helped
play a role in the fact that the people in
the flood zone were not prepared and certainly not evacuated.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Uh, you know, I can't say that conclusively. Listen, New
York Times ran the same thing, the exact same lines.
By the way, those are all outright lies. There were
extra staffers the flood issue, that the warnings were all issued,
it was all done right, everything was done right. The
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media chose to lie about it. What why why would
you even why would you even ask those questions when
they're pulling dead girls out of the mud of the flood.
Why why would you even do that? Why? I just
want to remind you that the communist does this after
natural disasters, mass shootings, whatever it is, because that stirring
that's inside of you as you look at these families,
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and this loss does not exist inside of him, and
it doesn't exist inside of him because human life to
him is not sacred. It's it's just it's it's not
meaningful to him at all. And I know that's hard
to understand that there are people like that out there.
But Dana bash Castro, David Axelrod, the New York Times,
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these are all committed communists for whom there is no
human tragedy, because when human beings are not valued, how
can there be a human tragedy for you, have you
ever failed an ant tragedy when a bunch of ants die?
Of course, of course, not because ants don't have some
special meaning to you. In fact, they're meaningless. A thousand
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of them could die. It would mean nothing to you,
it would mean nothing to me. That's how communists view
human life. And since human life is meaningless, does it
have any value to them? It's not sacred to them. Well,
any time there is a loss of life, communists view
it as an opportunity to move the revolution forward. They
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are constantly being caught saying the most despicable things in
the wake of tragedy because for them, it's not a tragedy.
I know that's hard to accept about your fellow men,
but they are either indifferent to human suffering or flat
out cheer it on because they are anti humans. Sultsanitsen
(43:09):
called them the enemies of humanity, and that's exactly what
they are. That's why they can look at photos of
dead Christian girls and not be stirred in the least.
They look at those photos and think we could move
the ball forward with this. I know it's sick, demonic,
and evil, but I wanted you to understand that's why
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they do what they do. Now, that's enough of the
ugly aspect of that. For lighten the mood, We're gonna
play you a wonderful aspect of that. Hang on, all right,
let's lighten the mood. And it's hard to imagine there
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would be anything light about that horrible Texas flood we
just talked about. So much loss, so much death, and
so much pain and suffering. It's awful. But you know,
in in dark, dark moments, I've seen this many times
in my life privately, and big things. I've been involved
in hurricanes and other things that in dark dark moments,
(44:16):
there is a light that shines. And this made me
feel good.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
It's like springs.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
We want to pass.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
N shre you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
This is si abound on in that it's not way
your abound. I'll shot it from the mountaintop, says I
want my world to know the Lord of Love has
come to me. I want to pass it on. I'll
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shot it from the mountaintops. Raise good. I want my
world to know the Lord has come to me.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I want to pass the girlfriend. Dutch girls who just
survived a living hell, praising God on the way out,
A light shines in the darkness. I'll see it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
M
What's going on with all this Epstein stuff. I will
give you my thoughts. We also are going to bring
in Mike Ben's, who is going to drop more information
on you than you can possibly fathom. We'll touch on
those horrible floods in Texas and more coming up on
my Okay, I know what's on your mind, and I'm
(00:28):
going to warn you right now that this show is
going to be incredibly informative, especially when Mike Ben's joins
us here in about ten minutes. But I'm about to
say some things that may make you angry. And I've
done this before, I will do it again because here's
what happens. We can all of us, myself included, We
can find ourselves getting whipped up in the mob, the
(00:49):
rage mob, anger over something. Oftentimes that anger is justified.
Oftentimes that anger is righteous. But you're mad about it,
and he's mad about it, and he's mad about it.
And so perhaps right now you're turning tuning into I'm right,
and you're thinking, well, Jesse's about to sign on here
and call everybody at the FBI a bunch of dirty
(01:09):
criminals and pambodies a dirty criminal. And Jeffrey Epstein did it,
and the government's covering it up, and well kind of
I'm going to do some of that, but here's the
reality of it. We form a picture in our mind
of what has happened. We form a picture. Most people
(01:30):
have this picture in their mind. Jeffrey Epstein, wealthy billionaire,
trafficked underage women to the most powerful people in the
world in conjunction with the government, FBI, CIA, somebody and
now the government in order to cover its own rear
end they're covering the entire thing up. I would bet
(01:52):
you money that's exactly the picture you have in your mind.
And I'm not telling you you're wrong, by the way,
But what happens is once you get that sure in
your mind, you want everybody you listen to on the
radio or watch on the television said you want them
to confirm what you have in your mind. So allow
me to explain my thoughts. I know about the leak,
(02:14):
the Axios leak, where there's a no client list. The
FBI says that there's no evidence Jeffrey Epstein was blackmailing
somebody and that there's no client list, and people are
bringing up things like Pam Bondi and her going on
TV and saying things like this.
Speaker 2 (02:30):
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
Well, that really happened.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
It's sitting on my desk right now to review. That's
been a directive by President Trump. I'm reviewing that. I'm
reviewing JFK files, MLK files. That's all in the process
of being reviewed because that was done at the directive
of the president from all of these agencies.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
So so, have you seen anything that you said, Oh,
my gosh, not yet. Okay, So let's be adults about
this and let's walk through this. Did Pam Bondy say
there was a list? You just watched the clip. Did
(03:11):
Pam Bondy say there was a client list? No, that's
what the host said. I'm not criticizing the host. I'm
not even criticizing Bondi. She said, it's on my desk.
What's on her desk a file? A file created by
whom we don't know that it was Jeffrey Epstein's file.
(03:33):
Do you believe that, if Jeffrey Epstein was a criminal
trafficking underage women, that he had a Microsoft word document
on his computer that says client list on it? Is
that what you believe. Pause on that for a moment.
You know who John Connolly is. You ever heard that name.
I'm being a sidetrack for a moment. Just stay with me.
(03:54):
John Connolly was an FBI agent. John Connolly had a friend,
quite a friend, friend from childhood, a friend whose name
you do know for sure. His name is Whitey Bulger,
famous famous Boston area gangster. They had known each other
since they were children. Whitey Bulger chose a different path
(04:19):
and John Connolly chose the FBI. Now, Whitey Bulger, as
you can imagine, knew a whole lot about the underworld,
all kinds of things, drugs, dealings with the Italian mafia,
structures of families. Anybody who's that high up in the
underworld is going to be a wealth of information. John Connolly,
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ambitious young FBI agent, wanted to be promoted like all
ambitious people do. Knows Whitey Bulger. They come to an agreement.
The agreement was Whitey's going to give John Connolly information,
information that is going to allow John Connolly to look really,
really good and smart to his bosses as he busts
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dirty people in the underworld. But there's always an exchange,
right in exchange. John Connolly looked out for Whitey Bulger
in terrible ways, ways that were illegal. He ended up
going to prison for all this spoiler alert. But John
Connolly protected his asset, protected his asset from prosecution. Whitey
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Bulger was an asset to John Connolly. John Connolly in return,
protected Whitey Bulger. This is not a one off story
about John Conley and Whitey Bulger and Boston. It's not
even a one off story about the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
This is how CIA works, the FBI works, local police
departments work. You will work with bad people. You will
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protect those bad people from prosecution in exchange for something.
Now that brings me specifically to this story around Epstein,
the DOJ, FBI, CIA. Do you do you remember Cash
Battel got confirmed in February and I came on here
(06:15):
and I said this, he has a mountain to climb.
An evil secret state police agency is not just going
to lay down for the new director. They have been
working tirelessly since Donald Trump won that election to hide
their evil deeds. God only knows how many the emails
have been deleted, phone records evident. God only knows the
(06:39):
horrible things they've been doing as they prepare to have
someone come in and shed light on them. Remember how
angry I got that Republicans were allowing Democrats to delay
confirmations of Pambondi, cash Betel. Remember remember the one big
(07:02):
Trump nominee who didn't get through. There was one. It
was actually his first one. As a matter of fact,
all the other ones, as controversial as they may have
been to the media, all the other ones eventually got through.
The President gets his nominees. We had the House, we
had the Senate, but there was one guy who was
a bridge too far. Not even Donald Trump, having freshly
(07:25):
won the election, super popular with the bully pulpit, not
even Donald Trump could get Matt Gates into the Attorney
General chair. They stopped Matt Gates immediately and then stonewalled
his replacement for as long as humanly possible. Now, let's
just say, for the sake of argument here, that Jeffrey
(07:47):
Epstein was working with the FBI, CIA, somebody sort of
a Whitey Bulger type scenario arrangement, if you will. Jeffrey
Epstein is providing this, They are in turn protecting him
from that. Do you think if you're at the FBI, CIA.
(08:09):
Do you think if you have a file revealing your
horrible deeds and things you've done with je Jeffrey Epstein,
do you think you're just going to what, let us
sit on your desk? You think you're gonna just put
a big file like that on your desk, maybe put
a pack of cigarettes on it, and just kind of
wait there, Well, this is the file. I'm just gonna
(08:30):
wait around till till there's a new FBI director, till
there's a new Attorney general. And I mean, I hope
nobody finds it. You do remember that a paper shreddered
truck was parked outside of the DJ right you know
that criminals in the government and outside of it, they
(08:53):
destroy evidence that links them to crimes. You know that, right?
Of course? You know that. You're an adult, You get it.
That's what happened. And why do you think they stopped
Matt Gates and then delayed Pambondi and cash Pateel for
as long as humanly possible? Do you think they were
twiddling their thumbs at the FBI, at the CIA throwing
a big party. Let me tell you something else. I
(09:14):
know this is from a source I have. I was
told by this source that that time was spent. Evil
people in these organizations were putting up how did they
put it to me? Trip wires all over the place. Oh,
(09:36):
I realized Cash Ptels now the head of the FBI,
and oh Pambondi's the ag My goodness, she's the head
over all of it. And so you me. We want results.
I want the client list, I want the names of
all the bad people. I want everybody going to prison.
I want you to fix all this stuff right now.
But I'm here to tell you criminals delete evidence of
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their crimes. Even Pam Bondi got stonewalled by the FBI.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
A source told me New York, SD and Y. They're
sitting on thousands of pages of documents regarding Epstein, thousands, thousands,
And of course you've seen the very strong letter. We
will get everything, we will have it in our possession.
We will redact it, of course, to protect grand jury information.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Pam Bondi said, have the files on my desk. Head
of the New York Field Office said, uh, sorry, I
don't have time. Go have a beer. The FBI is
a thirty five thousand person agency CIA god knows how
many actually work for that DJ as well. Years and
(10:49):
years and years and years and years, these organizations have
been filled up with committed communists, committed to destroying America,
committed to protecting themselves, protecting their organisations. You me, we
want information, We want results right away. We want the FBI,
dj CIA come out. No, no, no, you tell me who
the bad guys are. We're in charge now. Why won't
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you tell me? Do you think all the criminals inside
of these organizations are all gone? Come on, be serious.
So many of them are right where they've always been.
They use their time wisely to cover up for themselves.
You possibly probably got angry at the thought that the
DOJ was saying there's no evidence of a client list.
(11:37):
There probably isn't. If there was, it was destroyed long ago.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, But I am right.
Mike Ben's is about to join us, and he's about
to drop more Jeffrey Epstein knowledge on you than you've
ever heard in your entire life. I promise you, cross
(11:58):
my heart and hope to die. You were about to
learn a lot about this guy's sordid history, Central Intelligence
Agency and other things. All right, before we do that,
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you're having discussions about assets, intelligence operations, possibly suicides, murders,
(13:31):
things like that, I don't know that there's anybody better
We could bring on to discuss all the ugliness than
Mike Bence's executive director, Foundation for Freedom Online, always putting
wisdom on us. All right, Mike, So the Epstein files, everyone,
everyone's talking about it right now, the news drops on
Sunday that it looks like we're kind of walking away
(13:51):
from the whole thing. I don't know. I gave my thoughts, Mike.
I just I have a hard time believing that they
were sitting on evidence of their crimes for a long time,
just not shredding them or deleting them. I just have
a hard time believe in it's still there, to be
honest with you.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, me too. I mean, it's a strange sequence that
we ended up here. It looks like there was somebody
maybe inside DJ, who gave the this Justice Department memo
to Axios. It doesn't look like the DJ has formally
acknowledged this at this point as of the time of
our recording. There's been very loud cricket sounds that I
(14:29):
hear outside, but no kind of official acknowledgement. In fact,
Axios even deleted the document that they uploaded so that
even in the article itself you can no longer see it.
But of course the Internet pulled that immediately, and now
we're here where the official word is no client list.
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The suicide estimation by the FBI is now being ratified
by DJ, and this is definitely an escalation in terms
of what had been hinted at through FBI earlier. DOJ
is the keeper of the interagency and the interagency secrets.
FBI is, of course primarily for domestic intelligence. It's the
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intelligence arm of DOJ. But FBI is firewalled from CIA
on many things. And it has been my contention along
that what you're dealing with with Epstein is the CIA network,
not the FBI network. In fact, the FBI, to the
extent that this was an intelligence asset or an intelligence
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network around Epstein, the FBI would be studiously firewalled off
from that in order to avoid giving a legal predicate
for federal law enforcement to make arrests of folks who
were involved in US state craft or any sort of
international state craft or intelligence that the US wants to
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keep going.
Speaker 1 (16:02):
Mike, you say, CIA, describe what you think I mean.
I'm assuming some of this is theory because we're never
gonna know, But what do you think Epstein was to
the CIA.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well, I think Epstein was working with the CIA in
the early nineteen eighties at the very start of his
career after he left bear Stearns. In nineteen eighty one,
right after leaving bear Stearns, Jeffrey Epstein created a one
person for profit company in his one bedroom New York apartment.
(16:39):
It was called the Intercontinental Assets Group, and it held
itself out as a international bounty hunter for high net
worth individuals to both recover money and shield money internationally.
So the right away nineteen eighty one, he starts this
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company that basically helps that helped royalty and high net
worth individuals basically recover loan debts or assets owed to
them that were held in cryptic offshore bank accounts, as
well as helping them structure their own assets in a
way that would make it difficult or impossible for others
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to collect those assets. And in nineteen eighty two, just
one year into that, he got a fake passport, an
Austrian passport listing his residence as Saudi Arabia. This is
a fake passport. This was recovered by the FBI in
twenty nineteen when they drilled a hole in Jeffrey Epstein's
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safe and recovered this. Prosecutors held this passport up at
the Glene Maxwell trial. Now, this fake passport was so
good that it was able to go through four different
country checkpoints. It had a false name, but Jeffrey Epstein's
photo so that he could get back and forth. And
why Saudi Arabia Well because Jeffrey Epstein one of his
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main clients for the group that he set up in
nineteen eighty one was Odnan Koshogi. Odnan Koshogi was the
CIA arms runner for the Iran contra affair. When Congress
blocked the US federal government through a congressional law called
the Bolan Amendment, with the Democrats controlling the House of
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Representatives banning any US funds from being directed to the
overthrow of the Nicaraguan Sandinista government, and the Reagan White
House and National Security Council and Central Intelligence Agency wanted
to do it anyway. They were left with a problem,
which was that the CIA had been neutered during the
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Jimmy Carter years. There have been prohibitions on the categories
of covert activity it could do. The Boland Amendment from
Congress blocked them from using usaid funds or State Department
funds to run the operation. Enter Jeffrey Epstein and odd
Non Koshogi, his client during the Iran contra affair, which
dogged the entire Reagan administration. When all this came out,
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the US was selling arms together with Israel to Iran,
which is kind of ironic as we as the current
geopolitics of Israel Iran play out around missiles flying overhead
earlier this month between those two countries. Israel and the
US were selling weapons to Iran at that time through
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odd Non Koshogi, the Saudi arms dealer who had been
working with the CIA for thirty years. In fact, this
all came out informal under oath testimony from the Paris
office of BCCI, which was the Bank of Commerce International,
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one of the largest banks in the world, which was
effectively a CI proprietary bank for running arms to the
Mujahadeen when the CIA was creating the Islamo terrorist network
that would later become Al Qaeda and then Isis. Odd
Non Koshogi was a client of that bank together with
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the CIA, and the head of the head of the
Paris branch said that odd On Koshogi personally told him
that he was working for the Central Intelligence Agency and
Jeffrey Epstein was his money bundler. This is at the
height of the Cold War, mind you, and so you
see this relationship going back to the early nineteen eighties
and nineteen eighty five, Jeffrey Epstein becomes linked up with
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Les Wexner in Columbus, Ohio. Les Wexner was the head
of what at the time was the largest retailer in
the entire United States, Limited Brands, famous for Victoria's Secret
and many others. Wexner's tax attorney, Arthur Shapiro, was murdered
in a gangland style assassination in nineteen eighty five, the
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day before he was set to testify in an IRS
rand jury investigation. The IRS had been looking into the
Westerner Empire's finances and failure to I think file taxes
for something like five years and seven years of investigation.
Arthur Shapiro, who ran that was supposed to testify to
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the IRS grand jury just one day before he was
gunned down. It was right after that that Jeffrey Epstein
appears to meet Les Wexner and then go on to
have durable power of attorney over the entire Wexner Enterprise.
It was then in nineteen ninety three, Jeffrey Epstein personally
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negotiated sale the transfer of Air America, which would then
become Other air transport, a CI proprietary airline straight from
Miami where it got busted as part of the Iran
Contra gun trafficking and narcotics trafficking. In order to run
this illicit operation in Iran Contra, that very airline used
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Jeffrey and that Jeffrey Epstein was a critical part in
the structuring of this CIA operation. He then negotiated the
transfer of that CI airliner straight to Columbus, Ohio, where
the Wexner Empire was based, for the primary purpose of
transporting the limited's cargo between Ohio and Hong Kong, which
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is another one of these narco states. Hong Kong was
won by the British during the Opium Wars and has
been kind of a lawless gun and drug running zone
ever since. How does one get to be the financial
bundler for the CI's arms illicit arms trafficker in the
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Middle East without having any scrutiny from the Central Intelligence Agency.
How does one personally negotiate the transfer of a CIA
proprietary airline. By the way, Southern Air Transport declared bankruptcy
in Columbus, Ohio. The very day the CIA put out
an acknowledgment of Air America's role in the gun running
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in narco trafficking in Iran Contra. Subsequent to that, the
US State Department personally made Jeffrey Epstein the tenant on
the lease for one of the second largest residents in
all of New York City. This residence was seized from
the government of Iran as the US was putting sanctions
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on it, and then personally leased out to Jeffrey Epstein.
How do you have the State Department as your personal landlord?
Do you think you or I Jesse could score something
like that? The State Department then ended up in a
legal dispute with Jeffrey Epstein because Jeffrey Epstein sub leased
that apartment to the defense lawyer for the French Connection
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and Pizza Connection drug scandals where you had CIA involvement
in narco trafficking that was effectively dealt you hushed over
in this trial through this very defense lawyer that Jeffrey
Epstein then leased the State Department building sees from iron
from what I'm trying to communicate here is that every
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aspect of the Jeffrey Epstein story is part of the
restructuring of intelligence work after the scandals of the nineteen seventies,
when the CIA was barred from doing activity directly, and
that's when USAID came into the picture and took the
baton from CIA and the NGO apparatus that were now
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living under with the National down for Democracy and INTERNEWS
and the US Agency for pa US Institute of Peace,
and the web of private contractors and private financiers in
order to be the frontmen for CIA operations. Jeffrey Epstein
was present at creation of that entire apparatus. There is
(25:15):
zero chance on God's green Earth that there are no
CIA files on this guy. And the fact that this
Justice Department has effectively pointed us to the FBI when
this is a CIA job is not a good look
for transparency.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Dang, that is so much, Mike, Okay, So connect these
worlds to me then most people. For most people, that
is new information as you always bring us. But most
people know Epstein is this filthy trafficker of underage girls
with very powerful men, royalty billionaires, things like that. How
does he end up there? Is it simply blackmail? Is
(25:56):
that it? You're just hoovering up black mail information because
you bring in president former president to covort with underaged women.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I don't believe jeffreyt I've not seen evidence I should
say that Jeffrey Epstein was directly involved in blackmail operations.
It would surprise me if he was. And I've studied
this as much as anyone really humanly can, and the
blackmail allegations, Now, certainly the CIA had history of doing
(26:27):
Jeffrey Epstein's style sexual blackmail operations. Actually, in March of
this year, during the OD and i D classification of
the JFK files, there was a very Jeffrey Epstein like
figure named Robert Mayhew who the CIA was working with
to do sexual entrapment of high level political figures. And
(26:49):
certainly the Jeffrey Epstein story can very much looks to
be similar to the Robert Mayhew story. But the problem
is is once you're directly involved with blackmail of say
a target in that network, word gets around quickly. You
(27:09):
lose access to both that asset who is under the
duress and coercion, as well as all of that asset's
friends who they may tell and say, oh my god,
this guy's blackmailing me, and then everybody in the network
clams up. And when you're talking about a network of
that size, I.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Think that.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
The access agent theory around Epstein is far closer to
the mark where what you have is a deal maker,
what you have is someone. Think about the Iran Contra situation,
for example, you're talking about a very very complex supply
chain for illegal transport of illicit arms for a covert
(27:51):
deniable operation that spans four different countries. In that case,
it was the US, Israel, the UK, and Saudi Arabia
as well as as their counterparts in Iran. So that's
five countries who all need to keep it super hush
hush quiet. You need to move through a web of
Cayman Island's offshore bank accounts and Panamanian offshore bank accounts.
(28:14):
You need three dozen shell companies, you need the tax
attorneys and legal teams. You need basically backdoor skid greasing
and private commitments from a range of disparate individuals who
stretch business, finance, diplomacy intelligence. So somebody's got to know
(28:39):
all those people, and somebody's got to set up those
deals and keep formal government channels at the US side
out of it. Jeffrey Epstein was clearly doing that in
the nineteen eighties. He clearly retained involvement in that throughout
at least the early nineteen nineties, and then went on
to this very high profile file, you know, banking life
(29:02):
while he was power of Attorney over the Les Wesner Empire,
and then you know, proceeded to have a life of
essentially cavorting with all the world's richest and most famous
people to the extent that he continued to do intelligence
work at that point, I would say certainly access and
deal brokering would be sufficient to explain what he was doing. Now,
(29:26):
it could be the case that he was passing on
information to intelligence agencies, and separate folks within the intelligence
world or other back channels may have used that information
collected by Epstein. But I don't principally think of Epstein
as being a blackmail story. I think of it as
being a deal maker story, and that helps you know,
(29:48):
having the capital to do that, the financial capital to
do those deals is essentially what makes the deals work.
That he can negotiate them and running. You know, Epstein
and Company is private arm for doing that. After his
International Intercontinental Assets Group agency folded up in the early nineties,
(30:13):
it looks like that's when he transitioned into this more
sort of you know, banking empire role that he had.
But that's how I see the story, So it would
not surprise me if there was no evidence around Epstein
and blackmail. But that actually does not make the picture
any less dark than it is, because if Epstein was
(30:34):
still being used for deal making, for backchannel diplomacy, for
intelligence gathering, I think the American people, and frankly the
entire world has a right to know that. And given
the state of the DJ's handling of this, it doesn't
look like we're going to be getting answers on that
anytime soon.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Mike, Okay, So let me ask this question this way.
If if he is a guy with connections, and it
certainly sounds like he has many to CIA, possibly FBL,
we don't know. But either way, these organizations have a long,
storied history of protecting criminals who are assets to them.
(31:17):
Everyone knows that. I brought up John Donnelly and Whitey
Bulger in the open of the show. That's how it works, right,
How does he end up in trouble? He ends up
getting convicted of crimes, he ends up in jail. Who
did he make angry?
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Well, So, when you're talking about the sheer number of
witnesses and scale of the operation, things can get away,
and oftentimes there's a turf battle between CIA and the
State Department. This happened, for example, in the case of
Orlando mas for in the late nineteen sixties. Orlando mas
(31:52):
for A was a Cuban exile who was brought over
by the Central Intelligence Agency in the late fifties early
nineteen sixties and was intimately involved in running a network
of about one hundred and fifty to two hundred exile
(32:13):
Cubans who were involved in everything from narcotics trafficking to
gun running as part of the CIA activities and Operation
Mongoose and the regionalization of the conflict against the government
of Cuba. Now, so Master was working directly for and
with the CIA for a time, and then he became
(32:36):
a little too big for his breeches, went rogue. The
State Department told he thought that the JFK administration. This
is how he ended up in the JFK files. These
documents can describe to you here. He ended up believing
that the JFK administration was too soft on Castro, that
(32:56):
it was not aggressive enough, it was not moving quickly enough,
that he needed to take matters into his own hands,
using the mercenary network that the CI had helped him cultivate.
And when the State Department the Western Hemisphere officials told
him that they were prohibiting him from unilaterally attempting a
(33:19):
military coup in Cuba of their the Master's plan was
to take about two hundred mercenaries to invade the island
of Haiti and then use the Haitian docks as a
means to essentially create do a military attack on Cuba.
The State Department said, don't do it.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Where are we are.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Formally blocking you from doing this. He went ahead and
tried to do it anyway. Customs and Border patrol caught
him and his men on the docks of Miami as
they tried to run this this private operation. They prosecuted
them under the State Department then petition the DOJ to
(34:03):
arrest mass Fur for violations of the Diplomatic Neutrality Act.
The CIA then intervened and told the Justice Department don't
prosecute them. So what you had was a proxy war.
The State Department said, listen, these groups are getting out
of These Cuban groups are getting out of control. We
need to prosecute mas Fur in order to send a
(34:25):
message to all the other Cuban military groups who are
thinking about doing this in the future that they can't
just set their own foreign policy on this. The CIA said,
if you arrest mas for all, this is going to
get out. We're already under so much heat from the
ramparts disclosures and from Senate investigations into CIA malfeasance. If
(34:50):
the extent of the Mas forver Cia network comes out
in a criminal trial, it will undermine all CIA activities
out of the Miami brand, which it will become a
massive international scandal. And so the Justice Department was torn
between the State Department's directive to pursue prosecution and the
(35:11):
CIA's directive to stop prosecution and let him skate free,
and effectively they ended up in a compromise. The State
Department is on top of CI. The CIA formally has
a relationship to State, just like FBI has to the
Justice Department. Everything CIA does has to be authorized by State. First,
(35:32):
it's supposed to be the covert arm of the State Department,
the same way the FBI is the covert arm of
the Justice Department. So the State Department won that tug
of war. Massver was indicted by the Justice Department, but
the conditions put on it were that the CIA was
able to have a DOJ attorney embedded from CIA in
(35:54):
order to midwife the prosecution, and in order to ensure
that no evidence was admitted in trial that revealed the
CIA network involved. That is, they had the government employees petition,
the government prosecutors petition the judge to not allow any
lines of evidence that might be brought up by the
(36:16):
defendants that might reveal sources and methods or anyone in
the CIA adjacent network. So they got the prosecution, but
they kept the CIA secrecy. By the way, this is
all public now thanks to Tulca Gabbert. These You can
look at the nineteen sixty six and nineteen sixty seven
CIA memos on Orlando mass for in the March twenty
(36:37):
twenty five releases if you want to see all these documents.
I also did a one hour video presentation for my
subscribers on x on this as well, but I think
this is what happened in the Epstein case. I think
Epstein was clearly CIA, whether in a formal or informal,
more likely an informal role in the sense that the
(36:59):
CIA would have had analyst, you know, analyst memos, cables,
a code name for Epstein, but not necessarily on payroll
or or a formal formal informant. But and then I
think you also have the international side of this, which
is all the CIA activity that is done jointly with
(37:20):
British intelligence is rarely intelligence Saudi intelligence, and I think
a lot of those other governments may be exerting pressure
on the on the the Trump administration or the Justice Department,
in order to not reveal their role.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Ah, Mike, you are the best, my man. Go subscribe
to him by the way on next and hoover up
that video. Mike, my brother as always, thank you. I
appreciate you very much. It's ugly, isn't it. But tell
me that wasn't one of the most fascinating things you've
ever seen in your life. It's just the ugly world.
(38:00):
Spy games and assets and all kinds of things out there. Anyway.
You know what else is ugly at and T T Mobile. Look, Horizon,
these companies hate you. You know that, they hate your guts.
They take your money and they use it to spread
(38:20):
communist filth all over this country. Pure Talk's never done that,
never would. Let me tell you why they never would,
because that's quite a statement to make. Their CEO fought
for this country in Vietnam. Macvsog two tours in Vietnam.
A company so patriotic they hire Americans. When you get
(38:41):
a hold of pure Talk, you'll be speaking to an
American who speaks English. It's almost odd some unpleasant. That's
what America means to them. You will pay less for
your cell phone. They're on the same network. It's time
to switch puretalk dot com slash Jesse TV back. Okay,
(39:07):
so let's talk very briefly, not necessarily specifically about the floods,
but about the despicable communist reaction to it. First, before
we do that, pray. There are still people out there
right now, searching, hoping, hoping they don't discover something terrible. Prey.
(39:27):
People have lost so much prey. This is the time
to pray. Please pray for those families. Pray for this area.
It's worse than you can imagine. It's a natural disaster,
worse than you can imagine. And because because we've seen
so much loss of life, it hurts you, right, It
stirs something in you no matter what, no matter what,
(39:48):
you look at these videos and you see this death
and these little girls and the families, and it wrecks you,
and you want to do something. You want to help,
You want to pray, you want to hope for the best.
And that's good. I'm glad you have a heart. So
why is it that you reacted like that and the
(40:09):
communists reacted like this?
Speaker 4 (40:12):
How much do you think the changing climate is part
of what we are seeing go on here?
Speaker 1 (40:19):
I think climate change is obviously a part of it.
Speaker 4 (40:22):
To Texas, National Weather Service offices involved in forecasting and
warning about flooding on the Guadalupe River are missing some
key staff members. A director of the NWS union told
CNN that the Austin, San Antonio office is missing a
warning coordination meteorologist due to the Trump administration's buyouts. Do
(40:45):
you have any indication whether those or other cuts helped
play a role in the fact that the people in
the flood zone were not prepared and certainly not evacuated.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
Uh, you know, I can't say that conclusively. Listen, New
York Times ran the same thing, the exact same lines.
By the way, those are all outright lies. There were
extra staffers the flood issue, that the warnings were all issued,
it was all done right, everything was done right. The
(41:22):
media chose to lie about it. What why why would
you even why would you even ask those questions when
they're pulling dead girls out of the mud of the flood.
Why why would you even do that? Why? I just
want to remind you that the communist does this after
natural disasters, mass shootings, whatever it is, because that stirring
that's inside of you as you look at these families,
(41:43):
and this loss does not exist inside of him, and
it doesn't exist inside of him because human life to
him is not sacred. It's it's just it's it's not
meaningful to him at all. And I know that's hard
to understand that there are people like that out there.
But Dana bash Castro, David Axelrod, the New York Times,
(42:05):
these are all committed communists for whom there is no
human tragedy, because when human beings are not valued, how
can there be a human tragedy for you, have you
ever failed an ant tragedy when a bunch of ants die?
Of course, of course, not because ants don't have some
special meaning to you. In fact, they're meaningless. A thousand
(42:27):
of them could die. It would mean nothing to you,
it would mean nothing to me. That's how communists view
human life. And since human life is meaningless, does it
have any value to them? It's not sacred to them. Well,
any time there is a loss of life, communists view
it as an opportunity to move the revolution forward. They
(42:48):
are constantly being caught saying the most despicable things in
the wake of tragedy because for them, it's not a tragedy.
I know that's hard to accept about your fellow men,
but they are either indifferent to human suffering or flat
out cheer it on because they are anti humans. Sultsanitsen
(43:09):
called them the enemies of humanity, and that's exactly what
they are. That's why they can look at photos of
dead Christian girls and not be stirred in the least.
They look at those photos and think we could move
the ball forward with this. I know it's sick, demonic,
and evil, but I wanted you to understand that's why
(43:31):
they do what they do. Now, that's enough of the
ugly aspect of that. For lighten the mood, We're gonna
play you a wonderful aspect of that. Hang on, all right,
let's lighten the mood. And it's hard to imagine there
(43:56):
would be anything light about that horrible Texas flood we
just talked about. So much loss, so much death, and
so much pain and suffering. It's awful. But you know,
in in dark, dark moments, I've seen this many times
in my life privately, and big things. I've been involved
in hurricanes and other things that in dark dark moments,
(44:16):
there is a light that shines. And this made me
feel good.
Speaker 5 (44:22):
It's like springs.
Speaker 1 (44:24):
We want to pass.
Speaker 3 (44:28):
N shre you, my friend.
Speaker 5 (44:30):
This is si abound on in that it's not way
your abound. I'll shot it from the mountaintop, says I
want my world to know the Lord of Love has
come to me. I want to pass it on. I'll
(44:54):
shot it from the mountaintops. Raise good. I want my
world to know the Lord has come to me.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
I want to pass the girlfriend. Dutch girls who just
survived a living hell, praising God on the way out,
A light shines in the darkness. I'll see it tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (45:23):
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