July 23, 2025 • 46 mins
Jesse Kelly investigates shocking tales of corruption, abuse, and cover-ups within the highest levels of government—scandals that rocked the nation but left no one held accountable. Why were these injustices buried? Who protected the culprits? Join us as we unravel the truth behind these forgotten betrayals.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
We're going to talk about forgotten scandals. And when I
say forgotten scandals, I don't mean that you have forgotten
all these. Maybe you have maybe forgotten all, maybe forgotten some.
Maybe you want to forget them. You know. We look
back on things like Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, we look
back on things like the COVID tyranny. And the truth is,
(00:32):
it's human nature. I have this too. You have this too,
to want to move on when things are painful. You
have painful memories in your life, of course you do.
Everybody does. That's part of life. You like to sit
around dwelling on them. No, you want to move on.
And I understand that. I understand that about you want
to understand that about me. But here's the thing. We
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have moved on too many times in this country from
political scandals. Powerful people in the government, politicians, bureaucrats, whoever
they may be, They use their political office, do something
terrible with it, and then slowly you'll get an investigation.
(01:15):
Some documents end up getting revealed. The years later, people
will do a report. I'll come on television and talk
about it. But by then the outrage of that particular
thing has kind of been turned way down, and everybody
just kind of wants to move on. We have bear
fish to fry. Haven't you heard about inflation? But let
me tell you something, there is nothing criminals love more
(01:41):
than the feeling people just want to move on. Think
about the mafia, Italian mafia. Think about the Gambino family
right now. Think how lovely it would be if they
woke up one morning and found out, oh, well, look
at this, the Department of Justice, all these guys, they're
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tired of talking about our crimes. They're ready to move on.
Criminals love the idea of moving on, and criminals inside
of our government love that you and I move on.
They know they can do horrible things, drag things out,
and people will just move on eventually because we're too busy.
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There are too many scandals. Everyone has a phone, there's
a new scandal coming down, and they know that eventually
you are going to be tempted to just say, oh gosh,
can't we just move on? That's music to the ears
of a criminal. I will not move on. Maybe it's
a Kelly thing, maybe it's my Irish heritage. I don't know,
(02:45):
but I haven't moved on from the President of the
United States of America telling me he was losing patience
with me.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Over two hundred million Americas have gotten at least one shot.
You've been patient, and our patience is wearing thin, and
your refusal has cost all of us.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We've been patient, but our patients is wearing thin. I
know that was one press conference. I know you maybe
probably have moved on from it, not dwelling on it.
I want you to just take a moment with me
and dwell on that, just that moment right there. The
President of the United States of America is not a king.
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He's not a dictator. He is not a czar. He
is a servant of the people, the top executive, for sure.
But you were not a subject. You realize that you
are a citizen. It's a huge difference. You are not
underneath the President of the United States of America. You
He cannot give you commands. He doesn't get to tell
you what to do, where to go, where to live.
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Not in a free country. And he most definitely should
never feel comfortable standing in front of the American people
and telling them how we patient he was getting with them,
with a little threat built in there. You could almost
feel it. We've been patient, but our patients is wearing thin.
Oh really, mister president, what do you plan on doing
to us when your patience runs completely out? I haven't
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let it go. I haven't let go of the fact
that these people have used the forces of government to
attack their political opponents. In my mind, I believe that
should come with life imprisonment or the death penalty. The
director of the Central Intelligence Agency, director of the FBI
getting together with the president to cook up some fake
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intelligence in order to torpedo the incoming Republican president is
a crime that should come with capital punishment or life
in prison. I genuinely believe that all the way that
is taking critically important positions in the government and using
it for evil. And I mentioned it already. Let's talk
about COVID. Let's talk about the fact that the Land
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of the Free turned into a communist dictatorship where you
were told where to go, what to eat, where you're
not allowed to eat, what you have to wear. These
people forced you in some cases, many cases, people lost
their jobs. If they weren't injected with something completely experimental,
they didn't even know if it worked or not. And
of course we now know it lasts about as long
(05:21):
as fruit striped gum, if it works at all. And
yet the United States government, the medical community, our major corporations,
institution after institution, the elites in this society smashed normal
people during COVID, and now no one wants to talk
about it anymore. No one wants a reckoning. Everybody wants
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to move on. Oh, Jesse, that's too much. Can't we
just move on? I want to move on. I'm not
ready to move on. How about the Federal Bureau of
Investigation going to Facebook and telling them to censor a
story about Hunter Biden one they knew was true.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think basically came to us some folks on our team.
It was like, hey, just so you know, like you
should be on high alert. There was We thought that
there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the twenty
sixteen election. We have it on notice that basically there's
about to be some kind of dump of that's similar
(06:21):
to that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So just beaving people should go to prison for that.
We are going to talk about these scandals. We're going
to talk about not moving on. All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am most definitely right. We
have Jim Jordan here John Solomon is about to drop
some information on you that is going to floor you.
(06:43):
Jeffrey Tucker most definitely is not ready to move on
from COVID stuff. We are jam packed. We'll be back.
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Speaker 4 (08:17):
The witch Hut that you should be talking about is
they caught President Obama absolutely called Chelsea Gabbert what they
did to this country in twenty sixteen, starting in twenty sixteen,
but going up all the way going up to twenty
twenty of the election. They tried to rig the election
and they got caught, and there should be very severe
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consequences for that. You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton,
I said, you know what, let's let's not go too
far here. It's the ex wife of a president. And
I thought it was sort of terrible and I let
her off the hook. And I'm very happy I did.
But it's time to start after what they did to me,
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and whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go
after people. Obama's been caught.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Director, that's a big deal. What Tulsa Gabbard's been saying
publicly is a big deal. This has gone now beyond
just you me talking about it here. This almost appears
like there's going to be action. I hate to get
my hopes up joining me now. The great John Solomon,
founder of just the news, one of my favorites. That's
(09:26):
one of my go tos out there. Okay, John, obviously
none of this stuff was news to you, because this
is stuff you've been talking about for a very, very
long time. But for the normal person who probably has
read just the news, they're wondering what changed, what's new?
What's new?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
John?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Well, I think what changes at the intelligence community finally
coughed up the evidence that we knew existed in a
classified setting. They kept this stuff classified for eight years
so that you couldn't prove a conspiracy, so John Durham
couldn't go to court and make the best case he
could in front of a grand jury. And I think
now because Telsea Gabbert, in Cashptel and Pam Bondi and
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John Radcliffe are in place, the secrets are getting forced
out of the vaults. And when you put it all together,
what I've been able to report for years is now
sitting in playe view. You see the documents, and you
see a machinery, an intelligence machinery and a law enforcement
machinery that was directed by the President of the United States,
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Barack Obama and his team to make sure that Donald
Trump couldn't win the election, then when he did win
the election, to make sure he couldn't succeed in his
first term as president. That's really the storyline, and the
most awesome tools we gave the intelligence community in the
FBI to fight terrorists, to fight counter intelligence seats were
turned against the American people. That's the real story.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
That is the real story for sure. And one thing
I love, and again this is not news to people
who are who've been paying attention, but I love that
Barack Obama's name is finally getting brought up under this.
It's always driven me crazy that people pin this all
on Hillary Clinton. I mean, it's not that I love
Hillary Clinton, but Hillary Clinton was not the president of
the United States of America when these things happened. Barack
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Obama was. And I always knew there was not a
snowballs chance and you know where that the intelligence agencies
were going to go after Donald Trump without Barack Obama's approval.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, listen, Barack Obama's at the center of the plot
along with Hillary Clinton. There's no doubt about it. Let
me tell you two data points that we've had for
a long time that I think are important. Hillary Clinton
does a poll going into the twenty sixteen election, and
she thinks her email scandal is the number one problem,
and she finds out that actually among voters, the problem
is her family's ties to Russia. So they decide, long
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before Donald Trump is the president, they're going to hang
a Russian shingle on somebody, whoever the Republican nominee is.
And at that point they didn't think it was Donald Trump,
but she needed to neutralize based on her own internal polling,
the Russia collusion storylines in her own family, Bill Clinton
taking the five hundred thousand donation, the millions of dollars
that come in through the uranium one Russian nuclear deal.
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So they make that decision very early on, and then
it just pivots in the summer of twenty sixteen to
Donald Trump because he's the nominee. Now the Barack Obama
is in three key ignition points of this really eight
year scandal. The first is in late July, he meets
with John Brennan and John Brennan tells him that they've
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intercepted information that Hillary Clinton approved doing a dirty trick,
basically making it look like Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump
were collaborating to hijack the twenty sixty elections, so they
knew it was a dirty trick. They have that meeting
five days before a crossfire hurricane is opened by the
FBI as the investigation. Barack Obama could have stopped it.
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If he's gonna do the right thing. He said, well,
wait a second, that's herdly Hillary Clinton's dirty trick. We're
not going to use the FBI that way. He doesn't. Then,
in the same time, there's an intercept that the FBI
gets that says that Barack Obama has been putting the
squeeze Loretta Lynch to not investigate Hillary Clinton any further.
That squeeze apparently causes the FBI not to look at
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five thumb dry's worth of potential serious information stolen from
the State Department on her watch by a foreign power,
and not to look at some evidence about the tampering
of President Obama with the Justice Department. They slide that
off to the side, give Hillary Clinton a pass, and
James Kobe waves a magic wand and does it. So
Barack Obama's in the middle of that. Then in January,
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as they're heading into the new administration, the first part
of the plot failed, Donald Trump still won in spite
of the Russian collusion hoax. Barack Obama presides over a
meeting with his top lieutenant's justice, FBI Intelligence, and they're
trying to figure a way to keep the investigation of
Mike Flint open. Why because on January fourth, twenty seventeen,
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the FBI decided to close down Mike Flint. There was
no evidence of wrongdoing. He did do anything wrong. On
January fifth, they meet and they try to find a
way and concoct way to keep Mike Flynn in harm's way.
Why because that will hamper the president. His National security
advisor will be blown out by a DOJ investigation. An
FBI agent takes notes at that meeting and writes, what's
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our goal here? To get the truth or to try
to get someone to lie? So we have a criminal case.
Even he could see what the President was presiding over.
That's why Barack Obama's name now surfaces so much in
this scandal.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay, John, I've been asking every smart person I can
get my hands on at this point in time, So
I'm going to ask you too, does anybody go down
for this? I know it's eight years old. I know
there are a statue of limitations. I am not a lawyer,
but I'm just like just like everyone else. I'm tired
of hearings. I'm tired of finding out how evil these
people are. Who goes to jail?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, listen, I think that is the question, because if
nobody really pays a consequence, a serious consequence for this,
the temptation to do this in future elections will grow exponentially.
The answer to the question with Pambondy, who had a
bumpy start with the Epstein documents, but this is her
moment to potentially right the ship and show that you
could do something. In April, the FBI under Cash Betel
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opened what we call a grand conspiracy case. It takes
what began in declaring of Hillary Clinton in the spring
and summer of twenty sixteen, ignoring that evidence we just
talked about, and takes it all away to the fall
of twenty twenty twenty four with Jack Smith, and looks
at it as one ongoing conspiracy, a conspiracy among government collaborators, intelligence,
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law enforcement, and democratic operatives to put the thumb of
the government on the election, to deprive Donald Trump of
his civil liberties, to interfere in the election process for
Americans and to falsely clear Democrats who may have been
engaged in wrongdoing Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton. That conspiracy case
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gives Pam Bondy the opportunity to do some exciting things.
One go back and charge crimes outside the statute of limitations.
Normally there's a five year window, but if you chart
if you have an ongoing conspiracy like the Mob cases
would do, things in twenty sixteen are just as important
as twenty twenty four, and you can lop them together
in an indictment. The second reason this is exciting for
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people who want accountability is that Pam Bondy does not
have to bring this case in the District of Columbia,
where John Durham could not secure convictions even though he
had some slam dunk evidence. She can bring this case
in the state of Florida, which has a much more
moderate jury poll, not a ninety percent democratic jury pol.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Because Jack Smith's raid on President Trump's mar Lago Hop office,
his submissions to the court all occurred in federal court
in Florida, that opens the door for Florida to be
the venue. It's one of the overt acts of the conspiracy,
and then you can bring all the charges in Florida
going back to twenty sixteen. It takes the jury poll
and the ninety percent democratic taint to that jury poll
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out of the equation. But Pambondy has to have the courage.
That conspiracy case was opened for three months, Pam Bondi
has not yet lifted a finger to act on it.
That I think is the big question. Pam Bondy has
to act or this is just another set of revelations
that end up with no consequence.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
John, Does she have what it takes? I know I've
been frustrated. Everyone else has been frustrated. She's not going
to have high marks with any Republican at this point
in time. But it's also early. Does this woman, with
her history, her legal history, does she have what it
takes to go after two thousand dollars an hour lawyers
and take down powerful people.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I think the more likely scenario is that Pam Bondi
would name a special prosecutor. There's a good reason to
do it. The victim of this conspiracy is her boss,
Donald Trump. So you go get the best confirmed Senate
and pointe. That is a most skilled lawyer you can find,
and you put him in charge of this investigation. You
take advantage of that Florida jury poll, and then you
may have an opportunity not only to secure indictments in
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a grand jury, but secure convictions. But it's not going
to be the career people at the Justice Department. It's
not going to be Pam Bondi, who's more of a
political figure. Obviously a good lawyer, but a political figure.
It's gonna take the best Senate confirmed prosecutor you can find,
who's got the bona fid. He's the court experience, the
ability to prosecute, interrogate, and convince a jury. That great
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storyteller can secure convictions because the evidence in the storyline
are there. You just need a great prosecutor to bring
the case.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
John, thank you, my friend. I appreciate you very much.
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Speaker 4 (19:50):
The leader of the gang was President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
Have you heard of him? And except for the fact
that he gets shielded by the press for his entire life,
that's the one they.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Look.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's guilty.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Is that a question?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You know? I like to say, let's give it time.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
It's there.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
He's guilty. They this was treason. This was every word
you can think of. They tried to steal the election.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Look, it's a big deal. It's gone into big deal mode.
For lack of a better way to put it, It's
one thing for me to sit here and rant about
Obama weaponizing the intelligence community. The president of the United
States of America is saying the word treason, The DNI
is dropping documents on the AG's desk and saying prosecute.
Are we about to see some real punishment? I know
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someone who's about probably probably quite happy with the current circumstances.
The chairman and the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Jim Jordan,
joins me. Now, Congressman, what do we know now that
we didn't know before? I know you've been on this
stuff for quite a while. Is it just confirmation of
everything we knew?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That is, It certainly is.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
And I do think when President Trump referenced President Obama,
he was pointing to what I think is a key date,
December ninth, twenty sixteen. So remember, they spied on his campaign.
They tried to undermine his campaign. Never in American history
have you had the intelligence community spy on where the
major political parties presidential candidate's campaign. They did that, that
didn't work. President Trump wins. And so now it's between
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election day and inauguration day and they're figuring out what
to do. They have this meeting on December ninth in
the Oval Office. All the key players are there, Camy Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Lynch,
you name it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There, the whole team is there.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
And it's at this meeting where it looks like President
Obama decided, we're not going to accept the intelligence community
assessment that President Trump and Russia had no collusion, that
the Russian didn't interfere with the election. We're not going
to accept that. We're going to hold that. And they
plot their strategy and then over the next thirty days
they set about trying to trap and undermine President True
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Trump's administration. And so you fast forward to January third,
twenty seventeen, Chuck Schumer does an interview I think it
was on Meet the Press. He does an interview and
he says, if you mess with the intelligence community, referring
to President Trump, if you mess with the intelligence community,
they have six ways from Sunday to.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Get back at you.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
And the first question is why is the leader of
the Democrat Party in the Senate saying something like that,
the government's going to get back to the guy who's
in charge of the government, the executive branch.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But that's what he says.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Three days later, the plan that was I think hatched
at that meeting on December ninth is carried out three
days after Chuck Schumer makes his threat. Cally Clapper Brennan
go to Trump Tower. They brief the president. President elect.
Trump thinks this is the customary defensive briefing all incoming
presidents are going to receive from the intelligence community. He
has no idea they're setting him up or trying to
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set him up. And at that meeting, Comy tells the
President about the dossier, the dossier that the FBI had,
the dossier that they knew was false. He tells President
Trump about it because no one really covered it during
the campaign. But now if the FBI director is telling
President Trump about it, well, shizam, it must be important.
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And it's leaked to the press, and the press runs
with it, and off we go to Muller and everything else.
So this is where it all began, and it was
an effort to undermine the elected president of the United States.
And so Tulsa has done I think exactly the right thing.
She's giving the documents that support that entire narrative, which
I always believe is what.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Happened, Congressman. Can people actually go down for this? And
I understand, I understand you are not Pamboni, You're not
the age, you don't have the power to do this.
But then you hear the same things I hear. People
are tired of government people never going down for committing crimes.
If you take your position as the head of the FBI,
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head of the CIA and you choose to politic with that,
just me speaking in my mind, you should spend the
rest of your life in prison. That's how bad that
crime is. To take such a sacred organization and use
it for the Demo party, that's just it's evil on
a whole new level. But I'm also not naive, and
I don't want to sit and promise people Barack Obama
is going to be in an orange jumpsuit. Who goes
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down anybody? Well, we'll find out.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
And again that's going to be up to the Attorney
General in the Justice Department. But I do think this
is something that has to be pursued. We'll see what
PAM decides to do. First, gather the evidence, do do
do the investigation. I think you have a lot. That's
why the Director of National Intelligence turned that information over
to the Justice Department. I do think it's important for
we as Republicans, we as people who love this country,
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the greatest country ever, not be vengeful, but also say, look,
accountability is important. And I do think what what I
just described, I believe that happened, just as sure as
I'm talking to you, Jesse. What I described is wrong,
as wrong as wrong could be. And so I am
all for the Justice Department using every means they can
to go after these people, and within the law, within this,
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within what's fair, what's what's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But I do think they should do it.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Now there's a statute of limitations issue we'll have to
deal with. Is it a conspiracy charge, is it aligned
to congres There's lots of things, But I do think
it should be pursued to the fullest extent.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
That wasn't the only get Trump hoax. We have Jack Smith. Honestly,
Jack Smith is all but forgotten about now because that
whole thing failed. But from what I understand, you guys
might be poking around in that, are you.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Yeah, we're talking to some of the people who were
part of his team. We're bringing him in and we
may even get to Jack Smith. We've got everything on
the table, because you're right, it all started back with
what we were just describing back in twenty sixteen to
twenty seventeen, but it continued with Muller, then with impeachment,
then with the fifty one Intel. You know, it's funny,
it's the same group, same group of people Clapper and
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Brennan were on that fifty one intelligence fistles who signed
that letter and impact of the twenty twenty election, and
then moved through twenty and then it's the January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Committee going after President Trump.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
And then in twenty twenty two, right after the midterms,
President Trump announces he's running for pre and what happens
Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Alvin Bragg, they all started going
after him, but Jack Smith was the serious one. So
we're talking to some of the prosecutors who were part
of his team, bringing them in, getting answers to questions
that we think are important. And so we're gonna we've
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now we had mister wyndhaman we're bringing back in under
a subpoena because he didn't really answer all the questions
that we think are important.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So we'll continue to dig there.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
But it's all part of this weaponization of government that
started with the Obama White House when President Trump was running,
and then when President Trump won, and it's continued ever since.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yet another scandal that looms out there is the Hunter
Biden stuff. Now I don't expect people to care about
Hunter Biden personally, kind of just a disaster of a
human being. So that's not what I'm talking about at all.
But the arrangements look bad. They look corrupt. It's not
just the bearismas stuff, the David Weiss investigation. It looks
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like Hunter Biden was guarded and protected by forces of
government in ways that were wrong, illegal. I don't know
what do you think.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Well, it sure looks that way, and you don't have
to get into the details. Just look at what happened.
David Weiss puts together the sweetheart deal. They take it
to the court, and the court says, have you ever
put a deal like this together before? And the prosecutors
for David Whisse say, no, your honor, we haven't. She says,
I've never seen anything like this myself, and they throw
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the sweetheart deal out. And then, and then and only
then does David Weiss go to the Attorney General say
now I need a special counsel, which meant the investigation
was going to continue. We couldn't get answers all during
that time when Obama was excuse me, when Biden was
still president and he was still planning to run for office.
So I think that was all political and he got
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a special deal from the get go, clear back to
when he got a special deal when he gets put
on the board of Barisma in his own words, with
no qualifications and gets paid like a million bucks a
year to show up at a couple board meetings. So yeah,
I think he got special treatment the entire way through.
And now he's out giving interviews and saying all kinds
of squear words and criticizing Republicans. And I think he
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even said if I were president, I would do X,
Y and Z. And the good news is I don't
think he's ever going to be president.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't like his odds campaigning in Iowa. Done with you, yeahs.
As he's as he's making the rounds, he is bringing
up Joe Biden's decline, covering for that, complaining about Nancy Pelosi.
But and I know there are just too many scandals
now people only have so much outrage in the tank.
But it is kind of a big deal that we
didn't have a functional adult as president in the United
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States for four years and the country was run by
auto pen Can we do anything about that? I know
they're all clamming up when you drag them in there.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Yeah, you keep investigating, but it seems to me short
of a whistleblower, short of someone in the government coming
forward and saying I saw this, here's what happened, I
don't know that you're ever going to get the hard
evidence because they're gonna assert privilege if their key counselors
to the president, or they can assert their their you know,
(29:09):
their privileges under the er the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment,
so they're likely to do that. I think you're gonna
need a whistleblower like we had with the Hunter Biden story.
I mean Ziggler, mister Shapley, mister Ziggler, who from the
IRSA came forward that. But for them, we probably don't
know about any of this stuff with Hunter Biden, and
they were they were right on target. None of their
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story ever changed, and it didn't change because they were
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So short of a whistleblower. I think it's tough. Excuse me,
what about the FBI whistle blowers? There are, I mean
some whistleblowers have been made whole. Others are still waiting
on that. I understand, there are procedures that people have
to go through. Where are we at.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
On that Marcus Allen has been I mean made whole
is sort of subjective. He's got his back pay and
everything else. But what they put him through, what they.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
GARRETTL.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Boyle through and some of these other guys, is just
as wrong as it gets. I mean literally, Garrett Boyle
was I remember this story. He comes forward, talks about
a number of those issues that we were dealing with,
the Catholic memorandum, the targeting parents at school board meetings,
and all the terrible things that were going on in
the Biden DOJ. He comes forward and he's been given
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this promotion and moved to this new office. They let
him move his family across the country and then tell him, oh,
by the way, you're on leave. You're not gonna get paid,
You're not gonna be able to get your stuff. That
was in story, I mean the way they treated this guy.
But Marcus Allen was another one who came forward. He's
actually been made whole as far as backpay goes. But
it just a testament to the Chris ray FBI just
(30:43):
how just how bad the leadership was at that time.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Truly was Congressman, thank you, sir, come back soon. We
have so much more.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
I love chips. I'm a chip freak, I am, but
I also have this thing called cholesterol. Maybe you've heard
of it. And so when I go to the doctor
and I get my blood work done, he's normally leaning
on me about that. So what do I do. I'm
not gonna not eat chips. What do I do?
Speaker 8 (31:20):
Well?
Speaker 1 (31:21):
I had a friend tell me about Massive Chips, and
I'd seen all kinds of massive chips advertisements before, and
I dismissed every one of them. And you know why,
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And I immediately thought, okay, so they're gross. They're gross.
I got a couple of bags. It's probably my favorite
(31:44):
chip maybe that I've ever had in my life. I'm
not even kidding. I just devour these things. Now. My
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Speaker 8 (32:12):
You really should, in an indoor setting, a congregous setting,
be wearing masks. It's just the appropriate thing to do
to defect, to protect yourself and your family.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Our data from the CDCs today suggests you know that
vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Bibermectin is something more often used to deworm horses.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
If we really do our part, stay at home, social distance,
then we can flatten our curve even below those projections.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But it really depends on all of us.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
I'm making the personal sacrifices not to infect my parents
and my pregnant daughter. I worry about that because then
it gives people the option to say, well, bars and
restaurants are open. Then I can have twenty people over
for Thanksgiving, and so I don't like it to be
any number. I like it to keep it to your
immediate household.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I haven't let it go. I hope you haven't let
it go. A relentless assault on your liberty. Just evil
was done to the society, and people need to be
punished for joining me. Now, maybe the best person probably
I've ever talked to on this stuff is Jeffrey A. Tucker.
He authored the book Life After Lockdown, which still gets
(33:29):
me steamed when I think about reading it. I highly
recommended it. Jeffrey. We lived under tyranny for a period
of time, and I do feel like a lot of people,
understandably just kind of want to let it go. They
want to forget about it, they want to move on.
I can't. I guess I'm just not like that. I
can't let it go.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Is a totalitarian, dystopian nightmare of unmitigated evil emanating from
the top of society. We've yet to entirely figure out who,
or why or why. But even at the time, plenty
of people I figured out that what was going on
was not normal, It was inconsistent with all rights and
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liberties in Western tradition. It is a CCP style regime
that lasted a year or two or three. In many ways,
we're still living in the aftermath of it, and we
absolutely need to revisit this, figure it out, see what's
going on. I feel like we're coming to this moment
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culturally where it's becoming more permissible. Just last night, I
saw in a movie Eddington. I don't know if you've
heard about it. It's not appearing in any of the
posh theaters and rich neighborhoods because it is absolutely brutal
in its truth telling about these times, about divided our communities,
(34:53):
and how we were all being played by very powerful
forces to to shatter our lives and to self emulate
and essentially destroy everything that civilization has to offer. This
is where Faucci led us, This is where the national
security state led us. This is where big tech and
(35:15):
big media and big medicine, they were all involved, and
the Academy absolutely shut up about it and just let.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
It go on and on.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
So there's a lot of people that need to pay
a heavy price for this. Arrests would be nice, accountability
of some sort, or even just figuring out what the
heck happened between February in August of twenty twenty and
following where the kids were sacrificed. But I'll stop, but
(35:46):
I'm as outraged as you are, adjessing, and I'm so
grateful that you're continuing to visit this issue.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
No, you don't need to stop, Jeffrey. I'm worried that
we're going to stop. And you mentioned it was so
true that it was a CCP style thing, and I'll
tell you, this is something I still can't wrap my
head around. Maybe you can help me with this. I
was amazed that not only America's government and at least
some percentage of America's people craved that and demanded that
(36:16):
instead of craving freedom, going a different route, the freedom route.
I can't count how many people experts said, well, look
at what China's doing, as if that was somehow a
model for what we should be doing, and the American
people who accepted it. I guess I hate to sound
like a father. I'm disappointed. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (36:34):
No, I do understand your point. There was a red
guard that arose among us, mostly consisting of the professional educated,
well to do classes that were entitled to stay at
home and they want to stay clean, and they joined
in all the state propaganda throwing people out of grocery stores.
(36:54):
Are not very mass screaming at you because you wouldn't
accept of the vaccination. Our churches segregated themselves, our cities
New York, Boston, New Orleans, DC, and Seattle, at least
those in Portland, I think, all segregated according to vaccination status.
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Something we thought was gone, you know, one hundred and
fifty years ago, came back with the approval of the
New York Times and the Harvard faculty and all of
the elites in society. It was left to the working classes,
lower classes and people who do their own research to
drive the incredulity and the skepticism and led to an
(37:40):
unraveling of all these policies. And that's also fed very
much strongly into our politics. In fact, my own view
of this of Jesse is that COVID experience is the
prism through which you can pretty much understand everything that's
going on in America today, the lack of trust of
basically everything. It all began with the COVID, with the
(38:03):
COVID period, and we still haven't put our lives back
together again. And you know, it's interesting about this this
Eddington movie, which again I encourage everybody to go see. It,
really does, you know, pick off the scap in that
kind of a delightful way. But the New York Times
(38:26):
ran an article saying oh, America went mad in twenty twenty,
and it's too soon really for us to visit those times. Well,
I mean there's a couple of points about that. One
is that The New York Times pushed this. I mean
they were the very first media outlet to try to
whip up the publican to accepting accepting lockdowns. That was
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February twenty seven, twenty but with reported with the reported
Donald g McNeil's podcast that appeared on that morning. He
was later fired from the paper and got a subseac
and said that he was being lied to the entire time.
You know, I would like to know more about his
(39:07):
experiences in that respect. He's a competent reporter, but he
played a very evil role this entire thing. And the
second thing I say about Goldberg's point there concerning how
it's too soon, well, well wait a minute. You know,
do we have to wait another ten years, another twenty years,
and when is it going to be time to have
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some accountability explanation or at least some cultural accounting of
how this country descended into totalitarianism to the extreme. I'll
tell you one other thing, Bessie is fascinating to me
about this you've been following all the revelations from Tulsa Gabbard,
which we're getting dripped by drip about what was really
(39:49):
going on in twenty sixteen with Russiagate and so on. Well,
this ties very closely into the COVID story, which nobody
says that. You know, as soon as the Russia Gate
thing was kind of more or less over, COVID came along.
But the person running the Justice Department at the time
is Rod Rosenstein. All Right, so that's now well known.
(40:13):
His sister, Nancy Messenier, was the employee at the CDC
who first took out upon herself to brief all the
elite media about the coming lockdowns without ever asking permission
of the Trump administration. All Right, so you know Rosestein,
I mean, maybe he's maybe he's not speaking terms of
(40:35):
the sister. I tend to think that there is a
connection there. Nancy Messiger at CDC was the one who
did this, at least probably at the behest of the
national security state, briefed all the media about the coming lockdowns,
prepared everything. This is I'm going to say, this is
like February twenty third or twenty fourth, twenty twenty a
(40:55):
few days later, they're all drumming it up for lockdowns.
It was an attempt to get Trump the back Trump
into a corner where they basically said, this is going
to happen. You can either be left behind or get
out in front of it. He chose to get out
in front of it. But realized, you know, a few
weeks later, certainly bout a month later, that he had
(41:16):
been that this is just another chapter in the Russiagate plot.
It was as another it was an attempt at a coup. Essentially,
That's what really happened. So I'm you know, I hope
before this term is up with Trump, we get some
accountability for that, and we get some truth and we
get some honesty about it, because we desperately need it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:39):
One of the things that I, I, you know, still
just can't believe really happened. We recall in March we
all locked down and all the businesses were destroyed, and
you know, our churches were closed. We couldn't have Eastern then,
we couldn't even have Christmas. Much later, but right in
the middle of this we had this is the summer,
We had this weird time where we all we're all
(42:01):
supposed to care desperately and deeply about George Floyd and
joined the Black Lives Matter movement. Remember all that, and
then the protests and the riots and the burnings in
the streets, you know whatever. An Antifa was running around
all over the place. So that's a really interesting chapter
of this story because it it grew out of the
(42:24):
frustration and anger and really psychosis that was imposed by
the central authorities on all the American youth who were
forced to sit in their in their bedrooms for two
or three months, scrolling through Instagram and TikTok and sneaking
(42:45):
out at late nights to have socially distanced beer parties
and so on. Well, you know, when the opportunity came
for them to get out and protest something. So what
were the elites telling these young people? Your life is terror,
your life sucks. You should be angry. What should you
be angry at? You should be angry at whiteness. You
(43:11):
should be angry at white people. They're the problem. Look
at what they did to George Floyd. Join Black Lives Matter,
and then you will do some maya copost for your
sense Black Lives matter, But it's mostly a white a
white movement, white progressive movement. But they enlisted all the
young people who now had an excuse finally to get
(43:33):
out and do something with their lives, right, and they
were given a purpose which was abolished the white race,
all right. So that I mean, all all of this
happened in the in the seeming blink of an eye.
And then you know, Antifa was all over the place,
which we now know, you know, had very strong funding
from George Sorrows. So you know, there there are some
(43:56):
very terrible things that happened in that in that period,
and it never really went away. We just kind of
lost interest in it in some sense because it was
so traumatizing. But like I say, it fundamentally transformed this culture,
this country, and not just the US, but but really
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all over the world, but the US in particular, because
I mean, frankly, what happens in America matters a lot
more than what happens in Malaysia or whatever. Right, So
we've got to figure out here. And it's also arguably
true that the virus was originated with the US, with
a US project, and the lockdowns were an attempt to
cover it up. You know, I'm not saying I have
(44:41):
the final answers to this, but it seems like more
or less that's what we're getting. And if anything I
just said is true, we need to We need to
know it, so we need we need hearings, we need trials,
we need reports, so we don't just need the same
old maloney cover up stuff that we got we get
into every other national travel. We need actual, actual truths,
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real documents.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Actual action and accountability. You're not wrong, Jeffrey. Thank you
so much. I appreciate you. We have final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Next.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Punishment is important. It's important. It's biblical. It's important for children,
it's important for adults. When people do wrong, they need
to be punished, not out of revenge, out of lesson
giving to a society. Society itself needs to see bad
people punished because it keeps society in line. For too long,
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in this country, government people have escaped that punishment, never
get in trouble at all, and that has brought us
to the place where our government is a gigantic criminal enterprise.
We have to have punishment, not because we're vengeful. Maybe
you are I am a little bit, but not because
we're vengeful, because we want to live in a good,
just country. People have to start going to prison. Let's
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hope it begins. We'll do it again.
We're going to talk about forgotten scandals. And when I
say forgotten scandals, I don't mean that you have forgotten
all these. Maybe you have maybe forgotten all, maybe forgotten some.
Maybe you want to forget them. You know. We look
back on things like Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, we look
back on things like the COVID tyranny. And the truth is,
(00:32):
it's human nature. I have this too. You have this too,
to want to move on when things are painful. You
have painful memories in your life, of course you do.
Everybody does. That's part of life. You like to sit
around dwelling on them. No, you want to move on.
And I understand that. I understand that about you want
to understand that about me. But here's the thing. We
(00:55):
have moved on too many times in this country from
political scandals. Powerful people in the government, politicians, bureaucrats, whoever
they may be, They use their political office, do something
terrible with it, and then slowly you'll get an investigation.
(01:15):
Some documents end up getting revealed. The years later, people
will do a report. I'll come on television and talk
about it. But by then the outrage of that particular
thing has kind of been turned way down, and everybody
just kind of wants to move on. We have bear
fish to fry. Haven't you heard about inflation? But let
me tell you something, there is nothing criminals love more
(01:41):
than the feeling people just want to move on. Think
about the mafia, Italian mafia. Think about the Gambino family
right now. Think how lovely it would be if they
woke up one morning and found out, oh, well, look
at this, the Department of Justice, all these guys, they're
(02:02):
tired of talking about our crimes. They're ready to move on.
Criminals love the idea of moving on, and criminals inside
of our government love that you and I move on.
They know they can do horrible things, drag things out,
and people will just move on eventually because we're too busy.
(02:24):
There are too many scandals. Everyone has a phone, there's
a new scandal coming down, and they know that eventually
you are going to be tempted to just say, oh gosh,
can't we just move on? That's music to the ears
of a criminal. I will not move on. Maybe it's
a Kelly thing, maybe it's my Irish heritage. I don't know,
(02:45):
but I haven't moved on from the President of the
United States of America telling me he was losing patience
with me.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Over two hundred million Americas have gotten at least one shot.
You've been patient, and our patience is wearing thin, and
your refusal has cost all of us.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
We've been patient, but our patients is wearing thin. I
know that was one press conference. I know you maybe
probably have moved on from it, not dwelling on it.
I want you to just take a moment with me
and dwell on that, just that moment right there. The
President of the United States of America is not a king.
(03:29):
He's not a dictator. He is not a czar. He
is a servant of the people, the top executive, for sure.
But you were not a subject. You realize that you
are a citizen. It's a huge difference. You are not
underneath the President of the United States of America. You
He cannot give you commands. He doesn't get to tell
you what to do, where to go, where to live.
(03:52):
Not in a free country. And he most definitely should
never feel comfortable standing in front of the American people
and telling them how we patient he was getting with them,
with a little threat built in there. You could almost
feel it. We've been patient, but our patients is wearing thin.
Oh really, mister president, what do you plan on doing
to us when your patience runs completely out? I haven't
(04:15):
let it go. I haven't let go of the fact
that these people have used the forces of government to
attack their political opponents. In my mind, I believe that
should come with life imprisonment or the death penalty. The
director of the Central Intelligence Agency, director of the FBI
getting together with the president to cook up some fake
(04:37):
intelligence in order to torpedo the incoming Republican president is
a crime that should come with capital punishment or life
in prison. I genuinely believe that all the way that
is taking critically important positions in the government and using
it for evil. And I mentioned it already. Let's talk
about COVID. Let's talk about the fact that the Land
(04:58):
of the Free turned into a communist dictatorship where you
were told where to go, what to eat, where you're
not allowed to eat, what you have to wear. These
people forced you in some cases, many cases, people lost
their jobs. If they weren't injected with something completely experimental,
they didn't even know if it worked or not. And
of course we now know it lasts about as long
(05:21):
as fruit striped gum, if it works at all. And
yet the United States government, the medical community, our major corporations,
institution after institution, the elites in this society smashed normal
people during COVID, and now no one wants to talk
about it anymore. No one wants a reckoning. Everybody wants
(05:42):
to move on. Oh, Jesse, that's too much. Can't we
just move on? I want to move on. I'm not
ready to move on. How about the Federal Bureau of
Investigation going to Facebook and telling them to censor a
story about Hunter Biden one they knew was true.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
I think basically came to us some folks on our team.
It was like, hey, just so you know, like you
should be on high alert. There was We thought that
there was a lot of Russian propaganda in the twenty
sixteen election. We have it on notice that basically there's
about to be some kind of dump of that's similar
(06:21):
to that.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
So just beaving people should go to prison for that.
We are going to talk about these scandals. We're going
to talk about not moving on. All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am most definitely right. We
have Jim Jordan here John Solomon is about to drop
some information on you that is going to floor you.
(06:43):
Jeffrey Tucker most definitely is not ready to move on
from COVID stuff. We are jam packed. We'll be back.
You know why the bread's good in Europe? We got
stuck in France for two days. It's a long story
(07:05):
over Christmas time, but all the bread was so good.
It was amazing. It turns out there's a law requiring
it to be made the same day. It's also good
because it's fresh. Fresh things are better. That's not exactly news.
You know that. I know that. But here's the thing.
We don't ever think about that when it comes to
(07:25):
things we buy in glass bottles, things like olive oil.
We know we want fresh fruit and fresh bread, but
we go down the grocery store. I will just grab
a botlive olive oil. All that looks authentic. You know
some of that stuff is years old. Let me change
your cooking world farm Fresh two four six dot com.
(07:50):
You will find olive oil fresh from the farm there.
In fact, they'll send you a thirty nine dollars bottle
of this olive oil. All you do is pay a
bus to cover the shipping. Try one bottle. My wife
is hooked, You'll always have some in your house. Farm
Fresh two four to six dot com.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
The witch Hut that you should be talking about is
they caught President Obama absolutely called Chelsea Gabbert what they
did to this country in twenty sixteen, starting in twenty sixteen,
but going up all the way going up to twenty
twenty of the election. They tried to rig the election
and they got caught, and there should be very severe
(08:38):
consequences for that. You know, when we caught Hillary Clinton,
I said, you know what, let's let's not go too
far here. It's the ex wife of a president. And
I thought it was sort of terrible and I let
her off the hook. And I'm very happy I did.
But it's time to start after what they did to me,
(08:58):
and whether it's right or wrong, it's time to go
after people. Obama's been caught.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
Director, that's a big deal. What Tulsa Gabbard's been saying
publicly is a big deal. This has gone now beyond
just you me talking about it here. This almost appears
like there's going to be action. I hate to get
my hopes up joining me now. The great John Solomon,
founder of just the news, one of my favorites. That's
(09:26):
one of my go tos out there. Okay, John, obviously
none of this stuff was news to you, because this
is stuff you've been talking about for a very, very
long time. But for the normal person who probably has
read just the news, they're wondering what changed, what's new?
What's new?
Speaker 5 (09:42):
John?
Speaker 6 (09:43):
Well, I think what changes at the intelligence community finally
coughed up the evidence that we knew existed in a
classified setting. They kept this stuff classified for eight years
so that you couldn't prove a conspiracy, so John Durham
couldn't go to court and make the best case he
could in front of a grand jury. And I think
now because Telsea Gabbert, in Cashptel and Pam Bondi and
(10:06):
John Radcliffe are in place, the secrets are getting forced
out of the vaults. And when you put it all together,
what I've been able to report for years is now
sitting in playe view. You see the documents, and you
see a machinery, an intelligence machinery and a law enforcement
machinery that was directed by the President of the United States,
(10:26):
Barack Obama and his team to make sure that Donald
Trump couldn't win the election, then when he did win
the election, to make sure he couldn't succeed in his
first term as president. That's really the storyline, and the
most awesome tools we gave the intelligence community in the
FBI to fight terrorists, to fight counter intelligence seats were
turned against the American people. That's the real story.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
That is the real story for sure. And one thing
I love, and again this is not news to people
who are who've been paying attention, but I love that
Barack Obama's name is finally getting brought up under this.
It's always driven me crazy that people pin this all
on Hillary Clinton. I mean, it's not that I love
Hillary Clinton, but Hillary Clinton was not the president of
the United States of America when these things happened. Barack
(11:09):
Obama was. And I always knew there was not a
snowballs chance and you know where that the intelligence agencies
were going to go after Donald Trump without Barack Obama's approval.
Speaker 6 (11:20):
Yeah, listen, Barack Obama's at the center of the plot
along with Hillary Clinton. There's no doubt about it. Let
me tell you two data points that we've had for
a long time that I think are important. Hillary Clinton
does a poll going into the twenty sixteen election, and
she thinks her email scandal is the number one problem,
and she finds out that actually among voters, the problem
is her family's ties to Russia. So they decide, long
(11:41):
before Donald Trump is the president, they're going to hang
a Russian shingle on somebody, whoever the Republican nominee is.
And at that point they didn't think it was Donald Trump,
but she needed to neutralize based on her own internal polling,
the Russia collusion storylines in her own family, Bill Clinton
taking the five hundred thousand donation, the millions of dollars
that come in through the uranium one Russian nuclear deal.
(12:04):
So they make that decision very early on, and then
it just pivots in the summer of twenty sixteen to
Donald Trump because he's the nominee. Now the Barack Obama
is in three key ignition points of this really eight
year scandal. The first is in late July, he meets
with John Brennan and John Brennan tells him that they've
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intercepted information that Hillary Clinton approved doing a dirty trick,
basically making it look like Vladimir Putin and Donald Trump
were collaborating to hijack the twenty sixty elections, so they
knew it was a dirty trick. They have that meeting
five days before a crossfire hurricane is opened by the
FBI as the investigation. Barack Obama could have stopped it.
(12:45):
If he's gonna do the right thing. He said, well,
wait a second, that's herdly Hillary Clinton's dirty trick. We're
not going to use the FBI that way. He doesn't. Then,
in the same time, there's an intercept that the FBI
gets that says that Barack Obama has been putting the
squeeze Loretta Lynch to not investigate Hillary Clinton any further.
That squeeze apparently causes the FBI not to look at
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five thumb dry's worth of potential serious information stolen from
the State Department on her watch by a foreign power,
and not to look at some evidence about the tampering
of President Obama with the Justice Department. They slide that
off to the side, give Hillary Clinton a pass, and
James Kobe waves a magic wand and does it. So
Barack Obama's in the middle of that. Then in January,
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as they're heading into the new administration, the first part
of the plot failed, Donald Trump still won in spite
of the Russian collusion hoax. Barack Obama presides over a
meeting with his top lieutenant's justice, FBI Intelligence, and they're
trying to figure a way to keep the investigation of
Mike Flint open. Why because on January fourth, twenty seventeen,
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the FBI decided to close down Mike Flint. There was
no evidence of wrongdoing. He did do anything wrong. On
January fifth, they meet and they try to find a
way and concoct way to keep Mike Flynn in harm's way.
Why because that will hamper the president. His National security
advisor will be blown out by a DOJ investigation. An
FBI agent takes notes at that meeting and writes, what's
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our goal here? To get the truth or to try
to get someone to lie? So we have a criminal case.
Even he could see what the President was presiding over.
That's why Barack Obama's name now surfaces so much in
this scandal.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
Okay, John, I've been asking every smart person I can
get my hands on at this point in time, So
I'm going to ask you too, does anybody go down
for this? I know it's eight years old. I know
there are a statue of limitations. I am not a lawyer,
but I'm just like just like everyone else. I'm tired
of hearings. I'm tired of finding out how evil these
people are. Who goes to jail?
Speaker 6 (14:48):
Yeah, listen, I think that is the question, because if
nobody really pays a consequence, a serious consequence for this,
the temptation to do this in future elections will grow exponentially.
The answer to the question with Pambondy, who had a
bumpy start with the Epstein documents, but this is her
moment to potentially right the ship and show that you
could do something. In April, the FBI under Cash Betel
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opened what we call a grand conspiracy case. It takes
what began in declaring of Hillary Clinton in the spring
and summer of twenty sixteen, ignoring that evidence we just
talked about, and takes it all away to the fall
of twenty twenty twenty four with Jack Smith, and looks
at it as one ongoing conspiracy, a conspiracy among government collaborators, intelligence,
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law enforcement, and democratic operatives to put the thumb of
the government on the election, to deprive Donald Trump of
his civil liberties, to interfere in the election process for
Americans and to falsely clear Democrats who may have been
engaged in wrongdoing Hunter Biden, Hillary Clinton. That conspiracy case
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gives Pam Bondy the opportunity to do some exciting things.
One go back and charge crimes outside the statute of limitations.
Normally there's a five year window, but if you chart
if you have an ongoing conspiracy like the Mob cases
would do, things in twenty sixteen are just as important
as twenty twenty four, and you can lop them together
in an indictment. The second reason this is exciting for
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people who want accountability is that Pam Bondy does not
have to bring this case in the District of Columbia,
where John Durham could not secure convictions even though he
had some slam dunk evidence. She can bring this case
in the state of Florida, which has a much more
moderate jury poll, not a ninety percent democratic jury pol.
Speaker 1 (16:30):
Why is that?
Speaker 6 (16:31):
Because Jack Smith's raid on President Trump's mar Lago Hop office,
his submissions to the court all occurred in federal court
in Florida, that opens the door for Florida to be
the venue. It's one of the overt acts of the conspiracy,
and then you can bring all the charges in Florida
going back to twenty sixteen. It takes the jury poll
and the ninety percent democratic taint to that jury poll
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out of the equation. But Pambondy has to have the courage.
That conspiracy case was opened for three months, Pam Bondi
has not yet lifted a finger to act on it.
That I think is the big question. Pam Bondy has
to act or this is just another set of revelations
that end up with no consequence.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
John, Does she have what it takes? I know I've
been frustrated. Everyone else has been frustrated. She's not going
to have high marks with any Republican at this point
in time. But it's also early. Does this woman, with
her history, her legal history, does she have what it
takes to go after two thousand dollars an hour lawyers
and take down powerful people.
Speaker 6 (17:31):
I think the more likely scenario is that Pam Bondi
would name a special prosecutor. There's a good reason to
do it. The victim of this conspiracy is her boss,
Donald Trump. So you go get the best confirmed Senate
and pointe. That is a most skilled lawyer you can find,
and you put him in charge of this investigation. You
take advantage of that Florida jury poll, and then you
may have an opportunity not only to secure indictments in
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a grand jury, but secure convictions. But it's not going
to be the career people at the Justice Department. It's
not going to be Pam Bondi, who's more of a
political figure. Obviously a good lawyer, but a political figure.
It's gonna take the best Senate confirmed prosecutor you can find,
who's got the bona fid. He's the court experience, the
ability to prosecute, interrogate, and convince a jury. That great
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storyteller can secure convictions because the evidence in the storyline
are there. You just need a great prosecutor to bring
the case.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
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Speaker 4 (19:50):
The leader of the gang was President Obama, Barack Hussein Obama.
Have you heard of him? And except for the fact
that he gets shielded by the press for his entire life,
that's the one they.
Speaker 6 (20:04):
Look.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
He's guilty.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Is that a question?
Speaker 4 (20:06):
You know? I like to say, let's give it time.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
It's there.
Speaker 4 (20:11):
He's guilty. They this was treason. This was every word
you can think of. They tried to steal the election.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
Look, it's a big deal. It's gone into big deal mode.
For lack of a better way to put it, It's
one thing for me to sit here and rant about
Obama weaponizing the intelligence community. The president of the United
States of America is saying the word treason, The DNI
is dropping documents on the AG's desk and saying prosecute.
Are we about to see some real punishment? I know
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someone who's about probably probably quite happy with the current circumstances.
The chairman and the House Judiciary Committee, Congressman Jim Jordan,
joins me. Now, Congressman, what do we know now that
we didn't know before? I know you've been on this
stuff for quite a while. Is it just confirmation of
everything we knew?
Speaker 3 (20:59):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (21:00):
That is, It certainly is.
Speaker 7 (21:02):
And I do think when President Trump referenced President Obama,
he was pointing to what I think is a key date,
December ninth, twenty sixteen. So remember, they spied on his campaign.
They tried to undermine his campaign. Never in American history
have you had the intelligence community spy on where the
major political parties presidential candidate's campaign. They did that, that
didn't work. President Trump wins. And so now it's between
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election day and inauguration day and they're figuring out what
to do. They have this meeting on December ninth in
the Oval Office. All the key players are there, Camy Clapper, Brennan, McCabe, Lynch,
you name it.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
There, the whole team is there.
Speaker 7 (21:38):
And it's at this meeting where it looks like President
Obama decided, we're not going to accept the intelligence community
assessment that President Trump and Russia had no collusion, that
the Russian didn't interfere with the election. We're not going
to accept that. We're going to hold that. And they
plot their strategy and then over the next thirty days
they set about trying to trap and undermine President True
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Trump's administration. And so you fast forward to January third,
twenty seventeen, Chuck Schumer does an interview I think it
was on Meet the Press. He does an interview and
he says, if you mess with the intelligence community, referring
to President Trump, if you mess with the intelligence community,
they have six ways from Sunday to.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Get back at you.
Speaker 7 (22:18):
And the first question is why is the leader of
the Democrat Party in the Senate saying something like that,
the government's going to get back to the guy who's
in charge of the government, the executive branch.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
But that's what he says.
Speaker 7 (22:27):
Three days later, the plan that was I think hatched
at that meeting on December ninth is carried out three
days after Chuck Schumer makes his threat. Cally Clapper Brennan
go to Trump Tower. They brief the president. President elect.
Trump thinks this is the customary defensive briefing all incoming
presidents are going to receive from the intelligence community. He
has no idea they're setting him up or trying to
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set him up. And at that meeting, Comy tells the
President about the dossier, the dossier that the FBI had,
the dossier that they knew was false. He tells President
Trump about it because no one really covered it during
the campaign. But now if the FBI director is telling
President Trump about it, well, shizam, it must be important.
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And it's leaked to the press, and the press runs
with it, and off we go to Muller and everything else.
So this is where it all began, and it was
an effort to undermine the elected president of the United States.
And so Tulsa has done I think exactly the right thing.
She's giving the documents that support that entire narrative, which
I always believe is what.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Happened, Congressman. Can people actually go down for this? And
I understand, I understand you are not Pamboni, You're not
the age, you don't have the power to do this.
But then you hear the same things I hear. People
are tired of government people never going down for committing crimes.
If you take your position as the head of the FBI,
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head of the CIA and you choose to politic with that,
just me speaking in my mind, you should spend the
rest of your life in prison. That's how bad that
crime is. To take such a sacred organization and use
it for the Demo party, that's just it's evil on
a whole new level. But I'm also not naive, and
I don't want to sit and promise people Barack Obama
is going to be in an orange jumpsuit. Who goes
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down anybody? Well, we'll find out.
Speaker 7 (24:11):
And again that's going to be up to the Attorney
General in the Justice Department. But I do think this
is something that has to be pursued. We'll see what
PAM decides to do. First, gather the evidence, do do
do the investigation. I think you have a lot. That's
why the Director of National Intelligence turned that information over
to the Justice Department. I do think it's important for
we as Republicans, we as people who love this country,
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the greatest country ever, not be vengeful, but also say, look,
accountability is important. And I do think what what I
just described, I believe that happened, just as sure as
I'm talking to you, Jesse. What I described is wrong,
as wrong as wrong could be. And so I am
all for the Justice Department using every means they can
to go after these people, and within the law, within this,
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within what's fair, what's what's the right thing to do.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
But I do think they should do it.
Speaker 7 (25:00):
Now there's a statute of limitations issue we'll have to
deal with. Is it a conspiracy charge, is it aligned
to congres There's lots of things, But I do think
it should be pursued to the fullest extent.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
That wasn't the only get Trump hoax. We have Jack Smith. Honestly,
Jack Smith is all but forgotten about now because that
whole thing failed. But from what I understand, you guys
might be poking around in that, are you.
Speaker 7 (25:25):
Yeah, we're talking to some of the people who were
part of his team. We're bringing him in and we
may even get to Jack Smith. We've got everything on
the table, because you're right, it all started back with
what we were just describing back in twenty sixteen to
twenty seventeen, but it continued with Muller, then with impeachment,
then with the fifty one Intel. You know, it's funny,
it's the same group, same group of people Clapper and
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Brennan were on that fifty one intelligence fistles who signed
that letter and impact of the twenty twenty election, and
then moved through twenty and then it's the January sixth.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Committee going after President Trump.
Speaker 7 (25:55):
And then in twenty twenty two, right after the midterms,
President Trump announces he's running for pre and what happens
Jack Smith, Fannie Willis, Alvin Bragg, they all started going
after him, but Jack Smith was the serious one. So
we're talking to some of the prosecutors who were part
of his team, bringing them in, getting answers to questions
that we think are important. And so we're gonna we've
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now we had mister wyndhaman we're bringing back in under
a subpoena because he didn't really answer all the questions
that we think are important.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
So we'll continue to dig there.
Speaker 7 (26:24):
But it's all part of this weaponization of government that
started with the Obama White House when President Trump was running,
and then when President Trump won, and it's continued ever since.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Yet another scandal that looms out there is the Hunter
Biden stuff. Now I don't expect people to care about
Hunter Biden personally, kind of just a disaster of a
human being. So that's not what I'm talking about at all.
But the arrangements look bad. They look corrupt. It's not
just the bearismas stuff, the David Weiss investigation. It looks
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like Hunter Biden was guarded and protected by forces of
government in ways that were wrong, illegal. I don't know
what do you think.
Speaker 7 (27:04):
Well, it sure looks that way, and you don't have
to get into the details. Just look at what happened.
David Weiss puts together the sweetheart deal. They take it
to the court, and the court says, have you ever
put a deal like this together before? And the prosecutors
for David Whisse say, no, your honor, we haven't. She says,
I've never seen anything like this myself, and they throw
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the sweetheart deal out. And then, and then and only
then does David Weiss go to the Attorney General say
now I need a special counsel, which meant the investigation
was going to continue. We couldn't get answers all during
that time when Obama was excuse me, when Biden was
still president and he was still planning to run for office.
So I think that was all political and he got
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a special deal from the get go, clear back to
when he got a special deal when he gets put
on the board of Barisma in his own words, with
no qualifications and gets paid like a million bucks a
year to show up at a couple board meetings. So yeah,
I think he got special treatment the entire way through.
And now he's out giving interviews and saying all kinds
of squear words and criticizing Republicans. And I think he
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even said if I were president, I would do X,
Y and Z. And the good news is I don't
think he's ever going to be president.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
I don't like his odds campaigning in Iowa. Done with you, yeahs.
As he's as he's making the rounds, he is bringing
up Joe Biden's decline, covering for that, complaining about Nancy Pelosi.
But and I know there are just too many scandals
now people only have so much outrage in the tank.
But it is kind of a big deal that we
didn't have a functional adult as president in the United
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States for four years and the country was run by
auto pen Can we do anything about that? I know
they're all clamming up when you drag them in there.
Speaker 7 (28:48):
Yeah, you keep investigating, but it seems to me short
of a whistleblower, short of someone in the government coming
forward and saying I saw this, here's what happened, I
don't know that you're ever going to get the hard
evidence because they're gonna assert privilege if their key counselors
to the president, or they can assert their their you know,
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their privileges under the er the Constitution, the Fifth Amendment,
so they're likely to do that. I think you're gonna
need a whistleblower like we had with the Hunter Biden story.
I mean Ziggler, mister Shapley, mister Ziggler, who from the
IRSA came forward that. But for them, we probably don't
know about any of this stuff with Hunter Biden, and
they were they were right on target. None of their
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story ever changed, and it didn't change because they were
telling the truth.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
So short of a whistleblower. I think it's tough. Excuse me,
what about the FBI whistle blowers? There are, I mean
some whistleblowers have been made whole. Others are still waiting
on that. I understand, there are procedures that people have
to go through. Where are we at.
Speaker 7 (29:50):
On that Marcus Allen has been I mean made whole
is sort of subjective. He's got his back pay and
everything else. But what they put him through, what they.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
GARRETTL.
Speaker 7 (30:01):
Boyle through and some of these other guys, is just
as wrong as it gets. I mean literally, Garrett Boyle
was I remember this story. He comes forward, talks about
a number of those issues that we were dealing with,
the Catholic memorandum, the targeting parents at school board meetings,
and all the terrible things that were going on in
the Biden DOJ. He comes forward and he's been given
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this promotion and moved to this new office. They let
him move his family across the country and then tell him, oh,
by the way, you're on leave. You're not gonna get paid,
You're not gonna be able to get your stuff. That
was in story, I mean the way they treated this guy.
But Marcus Allen was another one who came forward. He's
actually been made whole as far as backpay goes. But
it just a testament to the Chris ray FBI just
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how just how bad the leadership was at that time.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Truly was Congressman, thank you, sir, come back soon. We
have so much more.
Speaker 5 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
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Speaker 8 (31:20):
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Speaker 8 (32:12):
You really should, in an indoor setting, a congregous setting,
be wearing masks. It's just the appropriate thing to do
to defect, to protect yourself and your family.
Speaker 9 (32:23):
Our data from the CDCs today suggests you know that
vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick.
Speaker 3 (32:31):
Bibermectin is something more often used to deworm horses.
Speaker 4 (32:35):
If we really do our part, stay at home, social distance,
then we can flatten our curve even below those projections.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
But it really depends on all of us.
Speaker 9 (32:45):
I'm making the personal sacrifices not to infect my parents
and my pregnant daughter. I worry about that because then
it gives people the option to say, well, bars and
restaurants are open. Then I can have twenty people over
for Thanksgiving, and so I don't like it to be
any number. I like it to keep it to your
immediate household.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
I haven't let it go. I hope you haven't let
it go. A relentless assault on your liberty. Just evil
was done to the society, and people need to be
punished for joining me. Now, maybe the best person probably
I've ever talked to on this stuff is Jeffrey A. Tucker.
He authored the book Life After Lockdown, which still gets
(33:29):
me steamed when I think about reading it. I highly
recommended it. Jeffrey. We lived under tyranny for a period
of time, and I do feel like a lot of people,
understandably just kind of want to let it go. They
want to forget about it, they want to move on.
I can't. I guess I'm just not like that. I
can't let it go.
Speaker 10 (33:47):
Is a totalitarian, dystopian nightmare of unmitigated evil emanating from
the top of society. We've yet to entirely figure out who,
or why or why. But even at the time, plenty
of people I figured out that what was going on
was not normal, It was inconsistent with all rights and
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liberties in Western tradition. It is a CCP style regime
that lasted a year or two or three. In many ways,
we're still living in the aftermath of it, and we
absolutely need to revisit this, figure it out, see what's
going on. I feel like we're coming to this moment
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culturally where it's becoming more permissible. Just last night, I
saw in a movie Eddington. I don't know if you've
heard about it. It's not appearing in any of the
posh theaters and rich neighborhoods because it is absolutely brutal
in its truth telling about these times, about divided our communities,
(34:53):
and how we were all being played by very powerful
forces to to shatter our lives and to self emulate
and essentially destroy everything that civilization has to offer. This
is where Faucci led us, This is where the national
security state led us. This is where big tech and
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big media and big medicine, they were all involved, and
the Academy absolutely shut up about it and just let.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
It go on and on.
Speaker 10 (35:24):
So there's a lot of people that need to pay
a heavy price for this. Arrests would be nice, accountability
of some sort, or even just figuring out what the
heck happened between February in August of twenty twenty and
following where the kids were sacrificed. But I'll stop, but
(35:46):
I'm as outraged as you are, adjessing, and I'm so
grateful that you're continuing to visit this issue.
Speaker 1 (35:52):
No, you don't need to stop, Jeffrey. I'm worried that
we're going to stop. And you mentioned it was so
true that it was a CCP style thing, and I'll
tell you, this is something I still can't wrap my
head around. Maybe you can help me with this. I
was amazed that not only America's government and at least
some percentage of America's people craved that and demanded that
(36:16):
instead of craving freedom, going a different route, the freedom route.
I can't count how many people experts said, well, look
at what China's doing, as if that was somehow a
model for what we should be doing, and the American
people who accepted it. I guess I hate to sound
like a father. I'm disappointed. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Yes?
Speaker 10 (36:34):
No, I do understand your point. There was a red
guard that arose among us, mostly consisting of the professional educated,
well to do classes that were entitled to stay at
home and they want to stay clean, and they joined
in all the state propaganda throwing people out of grocery stores.
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Are not very mass screaming at you because you wouldn't
accept of the vaccination. Our churches segregated themselves, our cities
New York, Boston, New Orleans, DC, and Seattle, at least
those in Portland, I think, all segregated according to vaccination status.
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Something we thought was gone, you know, one hundred and
fifty years ago, came back with the approval of the
New York Times and the Harvard faculty and all of
the elites in society. It was left to the working classes,
lower classes and people who do their own research to
drive the incredulity and the skepticism and led to an
(37:40):
unraveling of all these policies. And that's also fed very
much strongly into our politics. In fact, my own view
of this of Jesse is that COVID experience is the
prism through which you can pretty much understand everything that's
going on in America today, the lack of trust of
basically everything. It all began with the COVID, with the
(38:03):
COVID period, and we still haven't put our lives back
together again. And you know, it's interesting about this this
Eddington movie, which again I encourage everybody to go see. It,
really does, you know, pick off the scap in that
kind of a delightful way. But the New York Times
(38:26):
ran an article saying oh, America went mad in twenty twenty,
and it's too soon really for us to visit those times. Well,
I mean there's a couple of points about that. One
is that The New York Times pushed this. I mean
they were the very first media outlet to try to
whip up the publican to accepting accepting lockdowns. That was
(38:47):
February twenty seven, twenty but with reported with the reported
Donald g McNeil's podcast that appeared on that morning. He
was later fired from the paper and got a subseac
and said that he was being lied to the entire time.
You know, I would like to know more about his
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experiences in that respect. He's a competent reporter, but he
played a very evil role this entire thing. And the
second thing I say about Goldberg's point there concerning how
it's too soon, well, well wait a minute. You know,
do we have to wait another ten years, another twenty years,
and when is it going to be time to have
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some accountability explanation or at least some cultural accounting of
how this country descended into totalitarianism to the extreme. I'll
tell you one other thing, Bessie is fascinating to me
about this you've been following all the revelations from Tulsa Gabbard,
which we're getting dripped by drip about what was really
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going on in twenty sixteen with Russiagate and so on. Well,
this ties very closely into the COVID story, which nobody
says that. You know, as soon as the Russia Gate
thing was kind of more or less over, COVID came along.
But the person running the Justice Department at the time
is Rod Rosenstein. All Right, so that's now well known.
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His sister, Nancy Messenier, was the employee at the CDC
who first took out upon herself to brief all the
elite media about the coming lockdowns without ever asking permission
of the Trump administration. All Right, so you know Rosestein,
I mean, maybe he's maybe he's not speaking terms of
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the sister. I tend to think that there is a
connection there. Nancy Messiger at CDC was the one who
did this, at least probably at the behest of the
national security state, briefed all the media about the coming lockdowns,
prepared everything. This is I'm going to say, this is
like February twenty third or twenty fourth, twenty twenty a
(40:55):
few days later, they're all drumming it up for lockdowns.
It was an attempt to get Trump the back Trump
into a corner where they basically said, this is going
to happen. You can either be left behind or get
out in front of it. He chose to get out
in front of it. But realized, you know, a few
weeks later, certainly bout a month later, that he had
(41:16):
been that this is just another chapter in the Russiagate plot.
It was as another it was an attempt at a coup. Essentially,
That's what really happened. So I'm you know, I hope
before this term is up with Trump, we get some
accountability for that, and we get some truth and we
get some honesty about it, because we desperately need it.
Speaker 6 (41:38):
You know.
Speaker 10 (41:39):
One of the things that I, I, you know, still
just can't believe really happened. We recall in March we
all locked down and all the businesses were destroyed, and
you know, our churches were closed. We couldn't have Eastern then,
we couldn't even have Christmas. Much later, but right in
the middle of this we had this is the summer,
We had this weird time where we all we're all
(42:01):
supposed to care desperately and deeply about George Floyd and
joined the Black Lives Matter movement. Remember all that, and
then the protests and the riots and the burnings in
the streets, you know whatever. An Antifa was running around
all over the place. So that's a really interesting chapter
of this story because it it grew out of the
(42:24):
frustration and anger and really psychosis that was imposed by
the central authorities on all the American youth who were
forced to sit in their in their bedrooms for two
or three months, scrolling through Instagram and TikTok and sneaking
(42:45):
out at late nights to have socially distanced beer parties
and so on. Well, you know, when the opportunity came
for them to get out and protest something. So what
were the elites telling these young people? Your life is terror,
your life sucks. You should be angry. What should you
be angry at? You should be angry at whiteness. You
(43:11):
should be angry at white people. They're the problem. Look
at what they did to George Floyd. Join Black Lives Matter,
and then you will do some maya copost for your
sense Black Lives matter, But it's mostly a white a
white movement, white progressive movement. But they enlisted all the
young people who now had an excuse finally to get
(43:33):
out and do something with their lives, right, and they
were given a purpose which was abolished the white race,
all right. So that I mean, all all of this
happened in the in the seeming blink of an eye.
And then you know, Antifa was all over the place,
which we now know, you know, had very strong funding
from George Sorrows. So you know, there there are some
(43:56):
very terrible things that happened in that in that period,
and it never really went away. We just kind of
lost interest in it in some sense because it was
so traumatizing. But like I say, it fundamentally transformed this culture,
this country, and not just the US, but but really
(44:19):
all over the world, but the US in particular, because
I mean, frankly, what happens in America matters a lot
more than what happens in Malaysia or whatever. Right, So
we've got to figure out here. And it's also arguably
true that the virus was originated with the US, with
a US project, and the lockdowns were an attempt to
cover it up. You know, I'm not saying I have
(44:41):
the final answers to this, but it seems like more
or less that's what we're getting. And if anything I
just said is true, we need to We need to
know it, so we need we need hearings, we need trials,
we need reports, so we don't just need the same
old maloney cover up stuff that we got we get
into every other national travel. We need actual, actual truths,
(45:01):
real documents.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Actual action and accountability. You're not wrong, Jeffrey. Thank you
so much. I appreciate you. We have final thoughts.
Speaker 5 (45:12):
Next.
Speaker 1 (45:27):
Punishment is important. It's important. It's biblical. It's important for children,
it's important for adults. When people do wrong, they need
to be punished, not out of revenge, out of lesson
giving to a society. Society itself needs to see bad
people punished because it keeps society in line. For too long,
(45:50):
in this country, government people have escaped that punishment, never
get in trouble at all, and that has brought us
to the place where our government is a gigantic criminal enterprise.
We have to have punishment, not because we're vengeful. Maybe
you are I am a little bit, but not because
we're vengeful, because we want to live in a good,
just country. People have to start going to prison. Let's
(46:14):
hope it begins. We'll do it again.
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Jesse Kelly
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