August 20, 2025 • 38 mins
Andersonville Prison Camp. Stuck in an overcrowded confederate prison camp.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the
Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Wednesday, And it is
time to check out, meaning it's time to check out
of current events in the news of the day.
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I will get back to talk about these things. The
police officer who's in illegal, We're gonna talk about four
thousand troops parked off the coast of Venezuela. We're gonna
talk about Adam Schiff maybe going to prison. We're gonna
do some emails, We're gonna do other things, but all
that is going to have to wait, because now it
is time to do history. I don't know how long.
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It's gonna take. Maybe a half hour, maybe an hour,
but I don't know. It's a longer one like the
other ones have been. But let me ask you something.
Have you ever have you ever been fascinated with the
origin of words, of terms that are commonly used. I'm
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rarely fascinated by it. I'll be honest with you, as in,
I don't want to look into it. But then I'll
discover the origin of a term and I'll be all, Wow,
that's amazing. Have you ever used the word deadline. I'm
on a deadline. I have a deadline. I'm on a deadline.
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Would you like to hear where that term came from?
You're about to find out today. Now, this is a
Civil War story, and so we have to do quite
a bit of background, or at least a little bit
of background to kind of set up the situation. Here.
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We are going to discuss Andersonville. It was actually officially
Camp Sumter. No it's not Fort Sumter, but Camp Sumter,
but it's known by the name of the small town
in Georgia that is close to where it was located. Andersonville.
It was a Confederate prisoner of war camp. That is
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going to be the subject we're going through today. But
before we get to there, let's talk about kind of
the war, the way it went, the way it was
set up, and what was happening at the time. So obviously,
you know North facing the South Civil War. A lot
of people don't know unless you've looked into it, unless
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you've kind of expanded beyond a little more than you'll
probably get in a history class. They don't know that
the South never had much of a chance in the
Civil War. That was because of logistics and manpower. They
didn't have the industry, they didn't have the wealth. I
would actually compare it to what we've talked about before
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when it comes to Japan VERSUS America and World War Two.
Japan had an excellent frontline. You know, great navy, great
fighter planes, initially, great troops. They were really good, and
a lot of ways they were better than we were initially.
But the problem is if you are better but you
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can't build more stuff. You don't have enough stuff to
make more stuff, more ships, more planes, more bullets, more everything.
Things are going to break. If you can't replace it,
you will lose. The longer it goes on. You can't
win the longer it goes on, and you can be worse.
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You can be a worse fighter, you can even in
some ways have worse stuff than someone else does. But
if you can just build more stuff and replace more
stuff than if it goes on long enough, you'll win.
If you have a great cutting edge and nothing behind it,
you better win quickly, quickly, fast, because if it goes on,
because time is your enemy. I'll put it to you
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that way. That's exactly what the South was. Pretty much
what the South was facing when it comes to the
Civil War or the War of Northern Aggression, depending on
where you're listening to the sound of my voice. The
story was in the beginning, and this is I don't
know that you can really debate this. Of course, you
can debate anything. But the South had better military leaders.
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They had better generals, Robert E. Lee in particular, but
I mean so many under him, Stonewall Jackson, so many others.
Remember Lincoln's first pick to lead the Union Army was
not McLellan. He wanted Robert E. Lee. He's like, I
want that guy, and Lee said, no, I'm fighting for
the other side. Sorry, best of luck. They had great leadership,
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they had an excellent, excellent initial crop of troops. For
this simple fact, the the South was more rural than
the North. It wasn't that there weren't rural areas in
the North, but the North is going to be more
bigger cities, bigger industrial areas, and rural troops have always
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made better troops. I don't care if that offends you.
I know there are a million exceptions, so don't email me.
I'm from Brooklyn, and obviously I know, I know, I
know there are exceptions. But this is just simply easy
to explain. Rural troops go into the military already ten
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steps ahead of the urban troop because he's more comfortable
with firearms, he's more comfortable sleeping outdoors. It's just more
comfortable with a lot of things that are part and
parcel for the military. When I was in the Marine Corps,
we would do things like we would go out to
the field and do field ops. Well, I grew up
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hunting and fishing and camping in the mountains of Montana.
That's what we were always doing. I grow up shooting
with my dad. Firearms were I was familiar with them.
And it wasn't that my buddy from Chicago, I've about
to said his name about my buddy from Chicago, wasn't
like that. He wasn't just as good or even a
better marine than I was. I started out so far
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ahead of him. He never even there are bugs. Yeah,
there are bugs. We're outside, of course there are bugs.
That it's just different. The South had better troops initially,
but as the war progressed, the South simply couldn't replace
those troops and couldn't. More importantly, and this is going
to come into play in our story, they couldn't replace
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the stuff you need to fight a war. You know,
I'll tell you something right now. If you were in
a situation where it was just you and your mother,
You and your mother, You're in a bunker, very safe,
secure bunker, and you have all the food in water
you could ever want. And who are the baddest people
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on the planet. Delta Fores we use deltaphes and Delta
forhes showed up outside of your bunker trying to get
you out. They didn't have much food, they didn't ad
much water. They better get you out quickly. You know
you're going to defeat Delta force. Even the toughest guy
on the planet has to eat or he dies. Even
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the toughest guy on the planet has to drink water
or he dies. The South started to lose. Now, let's
go to Richmond, Virginia. Richmond, Virginia was the capital of
the South during the Civil War, and there is all
kinds of fighting that take place around Richmond, Virginia. We're
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going to focus right now for our purposes on the
year eighteen sixty three. Though, okay, don't worry about the date,
it's not important. But the year is eighteen sixty three,
and there's all this fighting around Richmond, Virginia. Now, we
because we are so blessed to be here in this country,
we don't necessarily understand the logistics of food. We'll just
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focus on food for right now. We don't think about
the logistics of it right because what do you do
when you want something to eat? You go down to
a restaurant, or you go to the grocery store. Or
I realized it'd be a bodega if you're in New
York City listening to me or something like that. But
there's a store close to you where you go buy
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meat and eggs and cheese and bread and things. Okay,
you got me there, But where did that food that's
in your store come from? We see, this is why
we don't realize how spoil we are everywhere. I can
go down to Agib. Agib is a huge grocery store
chain in Texas. I can go down to Agib, I
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have one fifteen minutes from my house. I can go
down to Chib right now, and I can pick up ingredients,
food ingredients from not just all over the country, all
over the world. I can grab an avocado from Mexico.
I can go get all of oil from Italy. I
can go get if I want to spend the money,
I can walk into hb in Texas and access food
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items that come from all over the planet. That is
not how most human beings have lived throughout history. Most
food throughout history, because of the logistics of getting food
to and fro. Most food throughout history is locally sourced,
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locally sourced. So what's this mean? I mean today today
we have kind of an older way of thinking when
it comes to where do you get the best this
or best that? Like, where can you get the best
lobster role? Most people would say, well, you got to
go to Maine, That's where the lobster is. Oh, you
got to go to Boston's where the lobster is. I
just went to Boston. He ate to lobster role. Best
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lobster role I've ever had in my life is in
a parking lot here in Houston, Texas. Why there's a
place a food truck here. They fly in fresh main
lobster every morning. I can have a lobster roll just
as fresh as your main lobster right here, right here.
It was not always like that. You have to get
local stuff. We'll go back to Virginia. We'll go back
to Richmond here in a minute and get to Andersonville.
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dot com. I'ven't decided what's going to be next after
this one, at least as far as history goes. We'll
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get back to politics in just a little bit. So Richmond,
Virginia is the capital of the South during the Civil
War and they are having a problem. You see, all
these battles are popping up. The South doesn't have the industry.
They don't have the stuff they need, not just for
the troops, for their own civilians. As I mentioned, logistics
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is not sexy, but it is important. The people who
live in Virginia, the people who live around Richmond, they
don't have enough stuff. And what they're encountering is there
are lots and lots of POWs from the North held
in camps around Richmond, and they're hoovering up all the food.
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I heard. Look, I heard a bunch of different estimates.
I've been doing so much reading and studying things on this.
I heard one in five, I heard one in ten, whatever,
the number is, one in five or one in ten
people around Richmond was a Union pow at one point
in time. That's ten to twenty percent of the population
you're trying to feed. There's not enough food already, not
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enough food for the civilians, not enough plus plus you're
really close to the north, you're close to the northern lines.
They're worried about these POWs escaping. They're being a rebellion.
What if the Union freese these camps. What if the Okay,
so we got to move them. We have to move
them south. Now, there's another part of the reason they
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had to move them, and that was it's known as
the Dix Hill System, the Dick's Hill Exchange system, you
could also call it. Those were who those were. It
was one Union guy and one Confederate guy, and what
they had was a prisoner exchange system they had established.
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It's actually really fascinating. I took a huge nerdy deep
dive into it, which I won't get into with you
because you would hate me for it. But it essentially
came down to this, Hey, let's understand, hopefully we're going
to come together after this. Let's understand we want to
exchange troops. Let's come up with a value for every
type of soldier based on their rank, and from time
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to time, let's do in exchange. Now, when I say
a value, I mean this. The officers are going to
be worth more in that value system than an enlisted man.
You know, a general is going to be worth more
than a private. So let's say a general's worth one
hundred and fifty points and a private's worth five points. Okay, well,
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you go find me ten privates. Wait, that wouldn't be right.
It's more than ten, chrisp ten five five. Go find
me thirty privates. That adds up to one fifty. I'll
give you your general back. You see what I mean.
A prisoner exchange system. They had different locations for the
prison exchange system. Where I show up with my guys,
you show up with your guys. There's a representative from
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each time we exchange prisoners. Okay, we're gonna go. You
got it. Prisoner exchange system. It broke down. It broke
down for several different reasons. One of the main ones
is they begin to lie. Each side begin to lie
because you're trying to fudge the values, fudge the numbers
if you will, so you can get more valuable people
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back and not give them valuable people. So that's a
big part of it. Another part of it was the
North had black people in its army. The South obviously
did not. The South did not treat black POWs as
if they were POW's. They essentially treated them like they
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were escapees. It treated them like they were property. They
would just flat out kill them. That angered the North.
And those are the reasons you mainly read. But there
is one reason above all. The decision was made to
essentially shut down the prison exchange system. And none of
the none of the good reasons they try to give
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you are as cold and calculating as the real reason
the prison exchange systems shut down. The real reason was this,
Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant, depending on who you believe,
the North shut down the prison exchange system because the
North had more men. The North had more men than
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the South. So if we simply stop exchanging people, even
if every one of our Union soldiers died in Southern captivity,
we can replace them. You can't replace your men. Think
about the World War two, comparison we made. If Japan
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has three aircraft carriers and can't replace them, If America
has three and can replace them, and let's say they're
captured by the other side, America would probably say, well,
keep our aircraft carriers. I don't care, you can't build more.
That same system happened, and so again it was either
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a Blincoln. The sources are all weird. It was either
a Blincoln or Ulysses S. Grant, depending on who you
believe that. Everyone has a different opinion. But the North
shut down the prison exchange system. There's no more dix
Hill prison exchange system. You South, we are keeping all
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your prisoners, and guess what you can keep ours. We
will outlast you. We have more men, we have more stuff.
Best of luck to you. So now the South has
to figure out what to do, because it's not like
you just have the men you currently have. The South
is still winning battles, the South is still taking in prisoners.
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What to do? What to do? They found a big
spot in Georgia and decided this was going to be
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Kelly Show on a wonderful Wednesday oday. Remember if you
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whole thing on iheard Spotify iTunes. So the South, it's
eighteen sixty three. They have too many Union prisoners. The
Union won't exchange them anymore because they know they have
more men. In the end, they win. The prisoners around
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Richmond are eating up all the food. The residents are upset.
The prisoners are too close to the northern lines, and
so they find a place outside of a small town
in Georgia called Andersonville, and they think to themselves, well,
this is where we'll put them all. Now. I can't
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stress how terrible the supply situation was for the South
at this time. When they began construction of the Andersonville
prison camp. The troops themselves were not getting enough food, blankets,
clothing that the South didn't have enough stuff. Without another
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major nation partnering with the South, the South was never
going to win the Civil War. It simply was not
possible logistically for them to do so. As they may valiant,
as they may have fought, they were never going to
win this war. And now the stuff situation is getting
worse and worse and worse. They start building this camp.
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At first, they just put a big wall. The camp
is shaped like a rectangle. And some of this stuff
is going to be really really important, so you're gonna
have to pay attention to it. The camp is shaped
like it's a big rectangle. Okay, it's in essentially a
big open field. There's a slope to it. There is
you can go look at it to this day. In fact,
there's a million YouTube videos on it. You can go
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look at exactly what I'm talking about. But picture a
big open field in Georgia, surrounded by woods, and they
just start building a wall, a wall without anything in it.
There's a place for the campguards and such to sleep,
but everything else is just a big open field. And
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and some of this is gonna get gross. I'm sorry,
but I have to describe what our Americans have gone through.
There was a stream going through the camp, you know,
the long side of the rectangle and the short side
of the rectangle, the short lines on the rectangle. The
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stream paralleled the short lines and it divided the camp
into a little stream. The camp is half built in
February of eighteen sixty four, but the South can't wait
any longer. They began to start shuttling prisoners into this camp.
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There is a train station nearby. They show up on
the trains, they bring them into the camp. Already, we
have a humanitarian nightmare on our hands. As I just said,
there's no quarters, there's no barracks, there's nothing but a field.
This place was designed to hold ten thousand troops. At
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its peak, it held thirty three thousand troops. Thirty three
thousand troops with no cover, no facilities, no nothing, herded
in like cattle to a fenced in open field in Georgia.
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In Georgia, I don't know if you know this, it
gets really really hot, It gets really really cold. It's
not just that they don't have a roof over their heads,
they don't have the proper clothing. And remember we talked
about how the troops and the civilians weren't eating. Well,
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here's the thing about prisons, and this is true today.
What are the worst prisons in the world today? They're
from poor countries. Why well, when you don't have the
money to create a decent prison, decent beds, decent food,
a poor country's not going to take its limited resources
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and put any of those resources into prisons and prisoners.
They're simply going to build cages and toss them whatever
scraps of food they happen to have left. The worst
prisons are poor prisons. What we're dealing with here is
logistically an unbelievably poor country in the South. They don't
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have enough food. Our guys don't have housing, they don't
have clothes, and they get a tiny minuscule amount of
food every day. It essentially amounts to a little bit
of salt in corn meal. But most of the time
they couldn't even cook the corn meal into a cake
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or something because firewood was also forbidden in Andersonville. They
didn't want prisoners starting fires and escaping. Now let's get gross.
The stream thirty three thousand men, one stream, one stream.
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In order to get water for yourself bathe that is important.
You have to clean your body, laundry. Remember we don't
have changes of clothes. You better get naked at some
point in time, clean your clothes one stream to use
as a bathroom. Now pause for a moment. This is
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one of those things that is really really gross, and
it's about to be a little gross. I'm sorry, but
we do have to discuss it. It's the least sexy
part of war. Bathroom waste. What do you do with it?
It's one of the things America is so good at
because we've spent so many years studying it in logistics
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and whatnot. I remember one of the first things we
did when we were in Iraq and we left Bagdad
and we went to some tiny dump of a town
called Najaf. We seize control of a walled in farmer's
market they had, and it was day one. Immediately, where
are we using the bathroom? Build bathroom facilities over there.
Now they weren't nice, don't get me wrong. It wasn't
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flushable toilets or anything like that. But let's immediately designate
a place because we have to isolate the waste where
all that disease in bacteria grows. If you are in
a big fenced in camp without flushable toilets, there's no
indoor plumbing. You have to have to use the stream
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as essentially your flushable toilet. When you use the bathroom,
you have to use it into the stream, so all
that bacteria fodder flows out in a way from you.
Well that's a problem, but look, this is the military.
We have adult men in there, men in charge the prisoners,
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so they knew they had to come up with a system, obviously,
and the system is it's a pretty obvious system, one
you've probably figured out for yourself. Let's go as far
upstream as we can. That is where we will pull
the water out to drink. Right, that's where we'll pull
it out to drink. The next system down, that's where
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we will clean ourselves. The next system down, that's where
we will clean our clothes. And then as far down
stream as you can possibly get in the camp, that's
where we will use the stream as a toilet. They
weren't morons. They knew what they were doing. They understood
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that's how well it had to be set up, And
in fact, they constructed for themselves what essentially is a
wooden wall system along the stream. You can go look
it up by the way, if you'd like to. Right
now you'll see men washing their clothes and men sitting
over the wall going boopy in the stream. You can
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go look at a picture of it. To this day
in Andersonville, they had a system set up. But I
want to again stress it was a system designed for
ten thousand men, not thirty three thousand men, and there
was a flaw in the stream system the Union troops
could not possibly hold or could not possibly help. We'll
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discuss those two things. Before we discuss those two things,
let's discuss nutrition, because that's going to come into play
here in a moment too. Do you get everything your
body needs from what you eat? Then we go ahead
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Show on a wonderful Wednesday, oh Hope day. Doing a
little history right now, we'll get back to politics here.
I mean guessed ten minutes that hopefully I'll finish this
up ten to twenty minutes and then we'll get back
to more politics. Talking about Andersonville Pow Camp. Essentially, it
was known as Camp Sumter. We call it Andersonville in
the South. In World War Two. The camp is supposed
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to be ten thousand men expanse to thirty three thousand
the South. They do bring in some more resources for
the camp as far as wood and materials go, but
materials are rare and they only use the materials to
expand the wall system. Now I mentioned the stream, and
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I mentioned the diet human beings. We talk about this
all the time when we talk about our own nutrition.
When I tell you about chalk, when I tell you
about rough greens for your dog. You have to have things.
You need things. Your body has to have certain vitamins
and minerals your diet. You have to have them in there,
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and if you don't, you will begin to see physical
evidence of it. Scurvy. Have you ever heard of scurvy?
It's awful. Your gums swell up, your teeth fall out,
your mouth bleeds. Why do you get that you don't
get vitamin C? It was one of the big struggles
of oceanic explorer. Explorers, guys who got on those old
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sailing chips. How do you keep fruit good long enough
so we can get vitamin C in our diet. They
may not have known everything we know about medicine, but
they knew without fruit, the clock is ticking. We will
get sick and die Scurvy. Scurvy becomes everywhere. It spreads
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like wildfire. And Andersonville another thing that starts to spread
like wildfire. There is disease, several different kinds. But for
our purposes here, I hope you're not eating. We're going
to discuss dysentery. Now. I've had dysentery. That's one of
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the two parasites I've had. I know that you know
what it's like to be physically sick in a way
where you have to use the toilet. Okay, I'll just
put it that way. I know you know what that's like.
Everyone knows what that's like. Everyone's had a bad chili dog, right,
I know you know what that's like. I can't stress
to you enough when I tell you that is not
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what dysentery is like. If you took if you took
a little midget and you shrunk him down even more
so he's a four inch tall midget and you gave
him two gigantic swords and then swallowed him. Imagine that
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little midget jamming his swords into your gut. That's what
dysinterior feels like. And when it's time to go, it's
not a hold out for five minute type thing. You
are in physical agony and you better be at the
toilet or it's going to be a problem. And it's
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not a one off where normally when you get sick
in that way, you get sick, and even if you're
super sick, you've got twenty minutes half hour before you
have to worry about it again. You'll go five minutes later,
go again, five minutes later, go again. You can't you
can't stop. Now what else it's doing. On top of
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sucking nutrients out of your body, it's sucking water out
of your body, and it's contagious, thirty three thousand men.
You can't get to the stream every time you have
to go when there's thirty three thousand men. And even if,
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by the grace of God, you managed to get to
the stream, it's not possible for you to locate the
exact spot on the stream where you're supposed to go.
I had to describe it because I wanted to drive
this point home. You're going, no matter what, you are going,
stream not stream, whatever you're doing, you are going the
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midget stabbing you. You are going what the men describe
all of them when they arrive in Andersonville. The new
Andersonville POWs all of them. Every single thing I read
was smell. Andersonville became oh my gosh, I have the scream.
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He's just thinking about it. Andersonville became a mud bog
lot of mud. Could you imagine what it would be
like to live in a mud bog of diarrhea? On
top of the disgustingness of that, the smell of that,
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the disease that would spread. You're not getting nutrition, you're
not getting water. Now the water you have is already bad.
And oh, I meant to mention to you, you know
how they had set up that system where the clean
waters on one side, and then the laundry and then
the toilet. The Confederate Army they set up a camp upstream,
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and they were using the stream the same way. So
even where you thought you were getting clean drinking water,
you were still getting the toilet residue from the Confederate
camp that was up the way. Do you want to
hear a jaw dropping stat before we try to wrap
this thing up. We've talked many times about the Jackjapanese
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in World War Two and their unimaginable cruelty, especially to POW's.
Most people know, some don't that if you actually, if
you were an American and you were captured by the Nazis,
there was very little cruelty. Believe it or not, you
were treated quite well. Two percent death rate. They fed you,
clothed you, you were warm, you were there. Are are
our Allied POWs were treated quite well in Europe. In Japan,
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you know what, the death rate was twenty six percent.
A quarter of them who went in there died. You
know what the death rate was in Andersonville twenty nine
Andersonville had a death rate that exceeded Japanese pow camps
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in World War Two, men dying in droves, a third
of them gone. The disease was terrible. And then that
brings us to maybe the worst part of this whole thing,
And it really might be. And I swear I'll try
to wrap this up next. What happens when men become desperate,
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desperate from disease, desperate from hunger, even your disciplined military
men with unity. What happens when men become desperate enough.
We will talk about that as we wrap this up
in a moment. Now, all this talk of vitamins and
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It is the Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of the
Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Wednesday, And it is
time to check out, meaning it's time to check out
of current events in the news of the day.
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I will get back to talk about these things. The
police officer who's in illegal, We're gonna talk about four
thousand troops parked off the coast of Venezuela. We're gonna
talk about Adam Schiff maybe going to prison. We're gonna
do some emails, We're gonna do other things, but all
that is going to have to wait, because now it
is time to do history. I don't know how long.
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It's gonna take. Maybe a half hour, maybe an hour,
but I don't know. It's a longer one like the
other ones have been. But let me ask you something.
Have you ever have you ever been fascinated with the
origin of words, of terms that are commonly used. I'm
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rarely fascinated by it. I'll be honest with you, as in,
I don't want to look into it. But then I'll
discover the origin of a term and I'll be all, Wow,
that's amazing. Have you ever used the word deadline. I'm
on a deadline. I have a deadline. I'm on a deadline.
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Would you like to hear where that term came from?
You're about to find out today. Now, this is a
Civil War story, and so we have to do quite
a bit of background, or at least a little bit
of background to kind of set up the situation. Here.
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We are going to discuss Andersonville. It was actually officially
Camp Sumter. No it's not Fort Sumter, but Camp Sumter,
but it's known by the name of the small town
in Georgia that is close to where it was located. Andersonville.
It was a Confederate prisoner of war camp. That is
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going to be the subject we're going through today. But
before we get to there, let's talk about kind of
the war, the way it went, the way it was
set up, and what was happening at the time. So obviously,
you know North facing the South Civil War. A lot
of people don't know unless you've looked into it, unless
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you've kind of expanded beyond a little more than you'll
probably get in a history class. They don't know that
the South never had much of a chance in the
Civil War. That was because of logistics and manpower. They
didn't have the industry, they didn't have the wealth. I
would actually compare it to what we've talked about before
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when it comes to Japan VERSUS America and World War Two.
Japan had an excellent frontline. You know, great navy, great
fighter planes, initially, great troops. They were really good, and
a lot of ways they were better than we were initially.
But the problem is if you are better but you
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can't build more stuff. You don't have enough stuff to
make more stuff, more ships, more planes, more bullets, more everything.
Things are going to break. If you can't replace it,
you will lose. The longer it goes on. You can't
win the longer it goes on, and you can be worse.
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You can be a worse fighter, you can even in
some ways have worse stuff than someone else does. But
if you can just build more stuff and replace more
stuff than if it goes on long enough, you'll win.
If you have a great cutting edge and nothing behind it,
you better win quickly, quickly, fast, because if it goes on,
because time is your enemy. I'll put it to you
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that way. That's exactly what the South was. Pretty much
what the South was facing when it comes to the
Civil War or the War of Northern Aggression, depending on
where you're listening to the sound of my voice. The
story was in the beginning, and this is I don't
know that you can really debate this. Of course, you
can debate anything. But the South had better military leaders.
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They had better generals, Robert E. Lee in particular, but
I mean so many under him, Stonewall Jackson, so many others.
Remember Lincoln's first pick to lead the Union Army was
not McLellan. He wanted Robert E. Lee. He's like, I
want that guy, and Lee said, no, I'm fighting for
the other side. Sorry, best of luck. They had great leadership,
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they had an excellent, excellent initial crop of troops. For
this simple fact, the the South was more rural than
the North. It wasn't that there weren't rural areas in
the North, but the North is going to be more
bigger cities, bigger industrial areas, and rural troops have always
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made better troops. I don't care if that offends you.
I know there are a million exceptions, so don't email me.
I'm from Brooklyn, and obviously I know, I know, I
know there are exceptions. But this is just simply easy
to explain. Rural troops go into the military already ten
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steps ahead of the urban troop because he's more comfortable
with firearms, he's more comfortable sleeping outdoors. It's just more
comfortable with a lot of things that are part and
parcel for the military. When I was in the Marine Corps,
we would do things like we would go out to
the field and do field ops. Well, I grew up
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hunting and fishing and camping in the mountains of Montana.
That's what we were always doing. I grow up shooting
with my dad. Firearms were I was familiar with them.
And it wasn't that my buddy from Chicago, I've about
to said his name about my buddy from Chicago, wasn't
like that. He wasn't just as good or even a
better marine than I was. I started out so far
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ahead of him. He never even there are bugs. Yeah,
there are bugs. We're outside, of course there are bugs.
That it's just different. The South had better troops initially,
but as the war progressed, the South simply couldn't replace
those troops and couldn't. More importantly, and this is going
to come into play in our story, they couldn't replace
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the stuff you need to fight a war. You know,
I'll tell you something right now. If you were in
a situation where it was just you and your mother,
You and your mother, You're in a bunker, very safe,
secure bunker, and you have all the food in water
you could ever want. And who are the baddest people
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on the planet. Delta Fores we use deltaphes and Delta
forhes showed up outside of your bunker trying to get
you out. They didn't have much food, they didn't ad
much water. They better get you out quickly. You know
you're going to defeat Delta force. Even the toughest guy
on the planet has to eat or he dies. Even
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the toughest guy on the planet has to drink water
or he dies. The South started to lose. Now, let's
go to Richmond, Virginia. Richmond, Virginia was the capital of
the South during the Civil War, and there is all
kinds of fighting that take place around Richmond, Virginia. We're
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going to focus right now for our purposes on the
year eighteen sixty three. Though, okay, don't worry about the date,
it's not important. But the year is eighteen sixty three,
and there's all this fighting around Richmond, Virginia. Now, we
because we are so blessed to be here in this country,
we don't necessarily understand the logistics of food. We'll just
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focus on food for right now. We don't think about
the logistics of it right because what do you do
when you want something to eat? You go down to
a restaurant, or you go to the grocery store. Or
I realized it'd be a bodega if you're in New
York City listening to me or something like that. But
there's a store close to you where you go buy
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meat and eggs and cheese and bread and things. Okay,
you got me there, But where did that food that's
in your store come from? We see, this is why
we don't realize how spoil we are everywhere. I can
go down to Agib. Agib is a huge grocery store
chain in Texas. I can go down to Agib, I
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have one fifteen minutes from my house. I can go
down to Chib right now, and I can pick up ingredients,
food ingredients from not just all over the country, all
over the world. I can grab an avocado from Mexico.
I can go get all of oil from Italy. I
can go get if I want to spend the money,
I can walk into hb in Texas and access food
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items that come from all over the planet. That is
not how most human beings have lived throughout history. Most
food throughout history, because of the logistics of getting food
to and fro. Most food throughout history is locally sourced,
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locally sourced. So what's this mean? I mean today today
we have kind of an older way of thinking when
it comes to where do you get the best this
or best that? Like, where can you get the best
lobster role? Most people would say, well, you got to
go to Maine, That's where the lobster is. Oh, you
got to go to Boston's where the lobster is. I
just went to Boston. He ate to lobster role. Best
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lobster role I've ever had in my life is in
a parking lot here in Houston, Texas. Why there's a
place a food truck here. They fly in fresh main
lobster every morning. I can have a lobster roll just
as fresh as your main lobster right here, right here.
It was not always like that. You have to get
local stuff. We'll go back to Virginia. We'll go back
to Richmond here in a minute and get to Andersonville.
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dot com. I'ven't decided what's going to be next after
this one, at least as far as history goes. We'll
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get back to politics in just a little bit. So Richmond,
Virginia is the capital of the South during the Civil
War and they are having a problem. You see, all
these battles are popping up. The South doesn't have the industry.
They don't have the stuff they need, not just for
the troops, for their own civilians. As I mentioned, logistics
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is not sexy, but it is important. The people who
live in Virginia, the people who live around Richmond, they
don't have enough stuff. And what they're encountering is there
are lots and lots of POWs from the North held
in camps around Richmond, and they're hoovering up all the food.
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I heard. Look, I heard a bunch of different estimates.
I've been doing so much reading and studying things on this.
I heard one in five, I heard one in ten, whatever,
the number is, one in five or one in ten
people around Richmond was a Union pow at one point
in time. That's ten to twenty percent of the population
you're trying to feed. There's not enough food already, not
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enough food for the civilians, not enough plus plus you're
really close to the north, you're close to the northern lines.
They're worried about these POWs escaping. They're being a rebellion.
What if the Union freese these camps. What if the Okay,
so we got to move them. We have to move
them south. Now, there's another part of the reason they
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had to move them, and that was it's known as
the Dix Hill System, the Dick's Hill Exchange system, you
could also call it. Those were who those were. It
was one Union guy and one Confederate guy, and what
they had was a prisoner exchange system they had established.
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It's actually really fascinating. I took a huge nerdy deep
dive into it, which I won't get into with you
because you would hate me for it. But it essentially
came down to this, Hey, let's understand, hopefully we're going
to come together after this. Let's understand we want to
exchange troops. Let's come up with a value for every
type of soldier based on their rank, and from time
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to time, let's do in exchange. Now, when I say
a value, I mean this. The officers are going to
be worth more in that value system than an enlisted man.
You know, a general is going to be worth more
than a private. So let's say a general's worth one
hundred and fifty points and a private's worth five points. Okay, well,
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you go find me ten privates. Wait, that wouldn't be right.
It's more than ten, chrisp ten five five. Go find
me thirty privates. That adds up to one fifty. I'll
give you your general back. You see what I mean.
A prisoner exchange system. They had different locations for the
prison exchange system. Where I show up with my guys,
you show up with your guys. There's a representative from
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each time we exchange prisoners. Okay, we're gonna go. You
got it. Prisoner exchange system. It broke down. It broke
down for several different reasons. One of the main ones
is they begin to lie. Each side begin to lie
because you're trying to fudge the values, fudge the numbers
if you will, so you can get more valuable people
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back and not give them valuable people. So that's a
big part of it. Another part of it was the
North had black people in its army. The South obviously
did not. The South did not treat black POWs as
if they were POW's. They essentially treated them like they
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were escapees. It treated them like they were property. They
would just flat out kill them. That angered the North.
And those are the reasons you mainly read. But there
is one reason above all. The decision was made to
essentially shut down the prison exchange system. And none of
the none of the good reasons they try to give
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you are as cold and calculating as the real reason
the prison exchange systems shut down. The real reason was this,
Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant, depending on who you believe,
the North shut down the prison exchange system because the
North had more men. The North had more men than
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the South. So if we simply stop exchanging people, even
if every one of our Union soldiers died in Southern captivity,
we can replace them. You can't replace your men. Think
about the World War two, comparison we made. If Japan
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has three aircraft carriers and can't replace them, If America
has three and can replace them, and let's say they're
captured by the other side, America would probably say, well,
keep our aircraft carriers. I don't care, you can't build more.
That same system happened, and so again it was either
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a Blincoln. The sources are all weird. It was either
a Blincoln or Ulysses S. Grant, depending on who you
believe that. Everyone has a different opinion. But the North
shut down the prison exchange system. There's no more dix
Hill prison exchange system. You South, we are keeping all
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your prisoners, and guess what you can keep ours. We
will outlast you. We have more men, we have more stuff.
Best of luck to you. So now the South has
to figure out what to do, because it's not like
you just have the men you currently have. The South
is still winning battles, the South is still taking in prisoners.
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What to do? What to do? They found a big
spot in Georgia and decided this was going to be
their spot. And now we have to go to Hell
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Kelly Show on a wonderful Wednesday oday. Remember if you
missed any part of the show, you can download the
whole thing on iheard Spotify iTunes. So the South, it's
eighteen sixty three. They have too many Union prisoners. The
Union won't exchange them anymore because they know they have
more men. In the end, they win. The prisoners around
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Richmond are eating up all the food. The residents are upset.
The prisoners are too close to the northern lines, and
so they find a place outside of a small town
in Georgia called Andersonville, and they think to themselves, well,
this is where we'll put them all. Now. I can't
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stress how terrible the supply situation was for the South
at this time. When they began construction of the Andersonville
prison camp. The troops themselves were not getting enough food, blankets,
clothing that the South didn't have enough stuff. Without another
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major nation partnering with the South, the South was never
going to win the Civil War. It simply was not
possible logistically for them to do so. As they may valiant,
as they may have fought, they were never going to
win this war. And now the stuff situation is getting
worse and worse and worse. They start building this camp.
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At first, they just put a big wall. The camp
is shaped like a rectangle. And some of this stuff
is going to be really really important, so you're gonna
have to pay attention to it. The camp is shaped
like it's a big rectangle. Okay, it's in essentially a
big open field. There's a slope to it. There is
you can go look at it to this day. In fact,
there's a million YouTube videos on it. You can go
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look at exactly what I'm talking about. But picture a
big open field in Georgia, surrounded by woods, and they
just start building a wall, a wall without anything in it.
There's a place for the campguards and such to sleep,
but everything else is just a big open field. And
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and some of this is gonna get gross. I'm sorry,
but I have to describe what our Americans have gone through.
There was a stream going through the camp, you know,
the long side of the rectangle and the short side
of the rectangle, the short lines on the rectangle. The
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stream paralleled the short lines and it divided the camp
into a little stream. The camp is half built in
February of eighteen sixty four, but the South can't wait
any longer. They began to start shuttling prisoners into this camp.
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There is a train station nearby. They show up on
the trains, they bring them into the camp. Already, we
have a humanitarian nightmare on our hands. As I just said,
there's no quarters, there's no barracks, there's nothing but a field.
This place was designed to hold ten thousand troops. At
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its peak, it held thirty three thousand troops. Thirty three
thousand troops with no cover, no facilities, no nothing, herded
in like cattle to a fenced in open field in Georgia.
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In Georgia, I don't know if you know this, it
gets really really hot, It gets really really cold. It's
not just that they don't have a roof over their heads,
they don't have the proper clothing. And remember we talked
about how the troops and the civilians weren't eating. Well,
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here's the thing about prisons, and this is true today.
What are the worst prisons in the world today? They're
from poor countries. Why well, when you don't have the
money to create a decent prison, decent beds, decent food,
a poor country's not going to take its limited resources
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and put any of those resources into prisons and prisoners.
They're simply going to build cages and toss them whatever
scraps of food they happen to have left. The worst
prisons are poor prisons. What we're dealing with here is
logistically an unbelievably poor country in the South. They don't
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have enough food. Our guys don't have housing, they don't
have clothes, and they get a tiny minuscule amount of
food every day. It essentially amounts to a little bit
of salt in corn meal. But most of the time
they couldn't even cook the corn meal into a cake
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or something because firewood was also forbidden in Andersonville. They
didn't want prisoners starting fires and escaping. Now let's get gross.
The stream thirty three thousand men, one stream, one stream.
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In order to get water for yourself bathe that is important.
You have to clean your body, laundry. Remember we don't
have changes of clothes. You better get naked at some
point in time, clean your clothes one stream to use
as a bathroom. Now pause for a moment. This is
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one of those things that is really really gross, and
it's about to be a little gross. I'm sorry, but
we do have to discuss it. It's the least sexy
part of war. Bathroom waste. What do you do with it?
It's one of the things America is so good at
because we've spent so many years studying it in logistics
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and whatnot. I remember one of the first things we
did when we were in Iraq and we left Bagdad
and we went to some tiny dump of a town
called Najaf. We seize control of a walled in farmer's
market they had, and it was day one. Immediately, where
are we using the bathroom? Build bathroom facilities over there.
Now they weren't nice, don't get me wrong. It wasn't
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flushable toilets or anything like that. But let's immediately designate
a place because we have to isolate the waste where
all that disease in bacteria grows. If you are in
a big fenced in camp without flushable toilets, there's no
indoor plumbing. You have to have to use the stream
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as essentially your flushable toilet. When you use the bathroom,
you have to use it into the stream, so all
that bacteria fodder flows out in a way from you.
Well that's a problem, but look, this is the military.
We have adult men in there, men in charge the prisoners,
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so they knew they had to come up with a system, obviously,
and the system is it's a pretty obvious system, one
you've probably figured out for yourself. Let's go as far
upstream as we can. That is where we will pull
the water out to drink. Right, that's where we'll pull
it out to drink. The next system down, that's where
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we will clean ourselves. The next system down, that's where
we will clean our clothes. And then as far down
stream as you can possibly get in the camp, that's
where we will use the stream as a toilet. They
weren't morons. They knew what they were doing. They understood
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that's how well it had to be set up, And
in fact, they constructed for themselves what essentially is a
wooden wall system along the stream. You can go look
it up by the way, if you'd like to. Right
now you'll see men washing their clothes and men sitting
over the wall going boopy in the stream. You can
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go look at a picture of it. To this day
in Andersonville, they had a system set up. But I
want to again stress it was a system designed for
ten thousand men, not thirty three thousand men, and there
was a flaw in the stream system the Union troops
could not possibly hold or could not possibly help. We'll
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discuss those two things. Before we discuss those two things,
let's discuss nutrition, because that's going to come into play
here in a moment too. Do you get everything your
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back truth attitude, Jesse Kelly. It is the Jesse Kelly
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Show on a wonderful Wednesday, oh Hope day. Doing a
little history right now, we'll get back to politics here.
I mean guessed ten minutes that hopefully I'll finish this
up ten to twenty minutes and then we'll get back
to more politics. Talking about Andersonville Pow Camp. Essentially, it
was known as Camp Sumter. We call it Andersonville in
the South. In World War Two. The camp is supposed
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to be ten thousand men expanse to thirty three thousand
the South. They do bring in some more resources for
the camp as far as wood and materials go, but
materials are rare and they only use the materials to
expand the wall system. Now I mentioned the stream, and
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I mentioned the diet human beings. We talk about this
all the time when we talk about our own nutrition.
When I tell you about chalk, when I tell you
about rough greens for your dog. You have to have things.
You need things. Your body has to have certain vitamins
and minerals your diet. You have to have them in there,
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and if you don't, you will begin to see physical
evidence of it. Scurvy. Have you ever heard of scurvy?
It's awful. Your gums swell up, your teeth fall out,
your mouth bleeds. Why do you get that you don't
get vitamin C? It was one of the big struggles
of oceanic explorer. Explorers, guys who got on those old
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sailing chips. How do you keep fruit good long enough
so we can get vitamin C in our diet. They
may not have known everything we know about medicine, but
they knew without fruit, the clock is ticking. We will
get sick and die Scurvy. Scurvy becomes everywhere. It spreads
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like wildfire. And Andersonville another thing that starts to spread
like wildfire. There is disease, several different kinds. But for
our purposes here, I hope you're not eating. We're going
to discuss dysentery. Now. I've had dysentery. That's one of
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the two parasites I've had. I know that you know
what it's like to be physically sick in a way
where you have to use the toilet. Okay, I'll just
put it that way. I know you know what that's like.
Everyone knows what that's like. Everyone's had a bad chili dog, right,
I know you know what that's like. I can't stress
to you enough when I tell you that is not
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what dysentery is like. If you took if you took
a little midget and you shrunk him down even more
so he's a four inch tall midget and you gave
him two gigantic swords and then swallowed him. Imagine that
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little midget jamming his swords into your gut. That's what
dysinterior feels like. And when it's time to go, it's
not a hold out for five minute type thing. You
are in physical agony and you better be at the
toilet or it's going to be a problem. And it's
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not a one off where normally when you get sick
in that way, you get sick, and even if you're
super sick, you've got twenty minutes half hour before you
have to worry about it again. You'll go five minutes later,
go again, five minutes later, go again. You can't you
can't stop. Now what else it's doing. On top of
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sucking nutrients out of your body, it's sucking water out
of your body, and it's contagious, thirty three thousand men.
You can't get to the stream every time you have
to go when there's thirty three thousand men. And even if,
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by the grace of God, you managed to get to
the stream, it's not possible for you to locate the
exact spot on the stream where you're supposed to go.
I had to describe it because I wanted to drive
this point home. You're going, no matter what, you are going,
stream not stream, whatever you're doing, you are going the
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midget stabbing you. You are going what the men describe
all of them when they arrive in Andersonville. The new
Andersonville POWs all of them. Every single thing I read
was smell. Andersonville became oh my gosh, I have the scream.
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He's just thinking about it. Andersonville became a mud bog
lot of mud. Could you imagine what it would be
like to live in a mud bog of diarrhea? On
top of the disgustingness of that, the smell of that,
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the disease that would spread. You're not getting nutrition, you're
not getting water. Now the water you have is already bad.
And oh, I meant to mention to you, you know
how they had set up that system where the clean
waters on one side, and then the laundry and then
the toilet. The Confederate Army they set up a camp upstream,
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and they were using the stream the same way. So
even where you thought you were getting clean drinking water,
you were still getting the toilet residue from the Confederate
camp that was up the way. Do you want to
hear a jaw dropping stat before we try to wrap
this thing up. We've talked many times about the Jackjapanese
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in World War Two and their unimaginable cruelty, especially to POW's.
Most people know, some don't that if you actually, if
you were an American and you were captured by the Nazis,
there was very little cruelty. Believe it or not, you
were treated quite well. Two percent death rate. They fed you,
clothed you, you were warm, you were there. Are are
our Allied POWs were treated quite well in Europe. In Japan,
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you know what, the death rate was twenty six percent.
A quarter of them who went in there died. You
know what the death rate was in Andersonville twenty nine
Andersonville had a death rate that exceeded Japanese pow camps
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in World War Two, men dying in droves, a third
of them gone. The disease was terrible. And then that
brings us to maybe the worst part of this whole thing,
And it really might be. And I swear I'll try
to wrap this up next. What happens when men become desperate,
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desperate from disease, desperate from hunger, even your disciplined military
men with unity. What happens when men become desperate enough.
We will talk about that as we wrap this up
in a moment. Now, all this talk of vitamins and
minerals and digestive issues hopefully has you thinking about rough greens.
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You know your dog needs those things too. Maybe you
don't look at your dog and think, well, his coat
is dull because you're with your dog every day. But
your dog's coat is dull because your dog doesn't get nutrition.
Your dog does not get nutrition from dog food unless
you are finding a way to get real nutrition into
your dog. Your dog essentially eats fast food every meal,
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empty calories. Sprinkle roughgreens on your dog's foods so your
dog can live longer, so your dog can be healthier.
How much money did you spend the last time you
had to take him to the vet. What if you
didn't have to go was often. That's something else you'll
notice when you start giving your dog nutrition. Roughgreens is
America's number one dog supplement for a reason. People are
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believers across this country. As I am, Fred gets it
with every single meal. Go to roughgreens dot com get
a free Jumpstart Trial bag or call them two one
four Roughdog. Just just use the promo code Jesse. They'll send
you a free Jumpstart Trial bag. We'll try to wrap
up Innersonville next
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