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August 26, 2025 36 mins

The 4-year anniversary of the attack at abbey gate. Recapping what happened and honoring those who gave their lives. 

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show, and then Jesse Kelly Show.
Let's have some fun on a Tuesday, and it's going
to be a different kind of a Tuesday. So strap

(00:31):
in and buckle up and let me tell you what
it's in store for you tonight on the world famous
Jesse Kelly Show. First of all, I'm just gonna lay
out this warning right now. This first bit, maybe the
first hour, I don't know how long it's going to take.
Me is going to be a little bit heavy. It
is the anniversary today of Abby Gate. It is weighing

(00:56):
heavy on my heart. I have a lot I want
to say, trying to honor them, trying to condemn those responsible,
and we are going to walk through that. I'm not
going to forget and I'm not going to let it go.
We're going to talk about that tonight, I know, because
that's going to be heavy. We're all going to be
a little way down in a little bit, you me, everybody.

(01:17):
I'm gonna chop away at a bunch of really cool emails,
fun stuff, history stuff, all kinds of stuff afterwards, and
then we'll get onto some other news of the day.
A couple little items here, little items there, Pam, Bonnie
doesn't want you getting hammered on a boat this weekend.
All that and so much more coming up on the
world famous Jesse Kelly Show. Yeah, Pam, you know freedom

(01:39):
is not free quit anyway. We'll get to that in
a little while, but let's first discuss military service sacrifice,
risking your life, losing your life on behalf of your
nation or tribe, whatever, wherever you happen to live. There

(02:00):
is an old, old old saying that war is old
men talking and young men dying. It's an old saying.
They pulled that saying out in the movie Troy. If
that's where you heard that saying first, just know that's
an ancient proverb, much older than the movie Troy. Okay,
but I do think it's thousands of years old. War

(02:20):
is old men talking and young men dying. Now, that
is not as insulting as it always sounds. That's just
the nature of how things are. As you get older,
Lord willing, you get wiser, but your body isn't. It's
not what it used to be, and so you need

(02:42):
to do more, the thinking, more, the decision making. When
you're young, not as wise yet, not because you're stupid.
Or there's anything wrong with you. You just don't have
enough years under your belt yet, don't have enough experience.
You're not as wise maybe, but physically you are tip
top shape. And you as a young man and well

(03:02):
young women nowadays. Two as a young man, you have
those shoulders, legs, chests. You have that body in part
because you are made to defend things. Defend your home physically,
your woman, defend your town, your city, your country, and sometimes,

(03:23):
if you so choose, give up your life in service
to your country. That's the way things are. Young Men
have fought in wars since time immemorial, and have died
in wars since time began. That's the way it goes.
I understand that, and then we explain every single person
in uniform, especially frontline troops, they understand that, and they

(03:46):
understand that's part of the risk. Yes, if I sign up,
I may die. But whether we're talking about a big
country or a small tribe, I have always in will
always believe that the country itself, the government itself, owes

(04:07):
you two things. If you are one of the young
men or young women who will go die on behalf
of that country, your country owes you two things. One
your life that you're willing to give up for it
should not be thrown away, should not be disregarded as nothing.

(04:29):
Oh yeah, look, they may order you to go do
something very very dangerous with the risk of death very
very high. Don't throw my life away like it's nothing.
Don't throw the life of a young soldier away like
it's nothing, because it's not nothing. That's a living, breathing
human being with parents, siblings, maybe a wife, children. Don't

(04:54):
take his willingness to sacrifice and abuse it and throw
it away, throw it away with incompetence, with evil, with corruption.
So that's one, don't throw the life away. And two,
if that young soldier does give up his life on
behalf of his country, honor him the old man who

(05:20):
did the talking, meaning the ones who gave the orders,
the ones who planned it. Honor the one who gave
up his life. He deserves that. Society deserves to know
his name, His fellow soldiers deserve to see you honoring him.
His family deserves to see that honor in respect the

(05:44):
ones who gave up their lives. I don't think that's
asking a lot of any country or any tribe. Don't
throw the life away honor the sacrifice once it's been made.
The reason I am opening up the show tonight talking
about Abby Gate, I'm going to try to remain quite calm.
If you listen to this show for a while, you'll

(06:06):
know that was the angriest I've ever been on the radio,
shouting into the microphone. I hate doing that. I don't
like doing angry radio. I'm going to try to stay
calm tonight. The reason I'm doing this tonight is both counts,
don't throw the life away and respect the sacrifice after
it's gone. On both counts, the Communists in the Biden administration,

(06:30):
in the State Department, in the intelligence community, in the
military community failed those troops who gave up their lives.
The young woman, a bunch of young men gave up
their lives for this country, and their lives were thrown
away by an evil, evil regime, by negligence by evil,

(06:54):
and afterwards, in the aftermath of it, and to this day,
nothing has been done to properly honor them. I do.
Before I go on the dark stuff, want to give
a nice shout out to Pete Hegseth and Donald Trump
and JD. Vance who welcomed them into the White House
today honored them. Here was a little bit of Pete Hags.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
Half of this beautiful group on, behalf of these families,
on behalf of your loved ones who fought for our nation.
America deserves answers as far as what happened in Afghanistan.
The military needs to answer for what happened in Afghanistan.
So upon the President's direction, immediately we initiated an investigation
which showed that they're needed an even deeper dive. So
Sean Parnell, or Pentagon spokesman, who himself is an Afghanistan veteran,

(07:37):
is leading this effort. It's a top priority for us.
We're getting access to all documents necessary, why decisions were made,
why they weren't made, why certain force protection measures were ignored. Again,
there's never been accountability for this. It's something that Joe
Biden allowed to happen that never should have happened. Anybody
who any objective observer knows that's not how you leave

(07:57):
a country, and certainly these families know better than anyone else.
These families deserving.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sean Parnell was a good man. Sean Parnell will dig
down as deep as this hole goes and Sean Parnell
will get US answers and credit to the Trump administration
for digging into this. So let's recap what happened. Let's
talk about it to hold people accountable, and let's talk
about it to honor those who gave up their lives.

(08:25):
And I'm telling you right now, at the end of
all of this, I'm going to read their thirteen names
and we are going to play taps in their honor.
So Afghanistan, you know, we went there post nine to
eleven to track down Osama bin Laden. That was it
was a big CIA special operations. It was a big

(08:46):
you know, tip of the Spear operation. There's great, great
material on that out there. Now we know Osama bin
Lan was there, we know Afghanistan was really a hotbed
for Jihati activity, and it is, of course, and so
we went there to track down the man responsible for
bringing down the towers. But as is so often the case,

(09:11):
we didn't have a clear mission. Part of the reason
people fall in love with World War two is the
mission was so incredibly clear, and in a lot of ways,
it's really the last war we had where the mission
was clear. There that's Nazi Germany destroy them. Defeat them there,

(09:33):
that's imperial to Japan. Destroy them, Defeat them, that's the goal.
Unconditional surrender. You will be defeated. And that clarity we
find so refreshing, don't we, especially in the wake of
everything that happened after that Korea? What are we doing? Okay,
we ran them out of the south, but now we're

(09:53):
invading the north? Are we?

Speaker 3 (09:54):
What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Vietnam? We started on that. Poor guys over there talked
about it all. What's the mission? What are we doing?
What's the end goal? Iraq? Afghanistan? The lack of clarity
we know now we know courtesy of things like the
Afghanistan papers, which is about the only decent thing the
Washington Post has ever done. We know clear back to Rumsfeld.

(10:19):
They're sending memos to each other. I'm not sure what
the mission is now, can't find him. What are we
doing here? We'll continue on in a moment. Before we
continue on, speaking of Vietnam. Our Vietnam veterans are getting
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(10:41):
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(11:02):
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Jesse kellyshow dot com. And after I get done dragging

(12:05):
you down memory lane talking about Abbygate Afghanistan. The four
year anniversary, we'll get to a bunch of those emails,
maybe take a load off for a little bit, But
for now, we are going to discuss what happened. We're
going to discuss the sacrifice, the players to everything. We
are going to talk about this. We are not going
to let it go. We are not going to forget Afghanistan.

(12:28):
We end up going in there after Osama bin Laden,
but very very quickly the politicians and military leaders lose
sight of what we're actually doing. What are we doing here?
Why are we here? What is the actual overall mission?
All right, this unbelievably goes on for twenty years. I

(12:54):
still cannot believe that number. For twenty years, we had
our guys running around Afghanistan doing crazy things. Some missions
made sense, some missions did not. A lot of blood
was lost over there. Some things we would we'd go

(13:16):
put in a water well that was never used. Sometimes
we were told we weren't allowed to touch the poppy fields,
the heroin fields. In fact, we had American troops guarding them.
We had a Green Beret assault an Afghani police chief
who was assaulting a young boy, very common practice in Afghanistan.

(13:37):
And the Green Beret got in trouble and what this
did just I'm giving it to you from somebody who
participated in the old g Watt. I was Iraq, not Afghanistan.
And I'm telling you this disillusioned veterans like you cannot
possibly imagine. We watched betrayal after betrayal after betrayal from

(14:02):
our political and military leaders, Republican and Democrat. The most
I've told you this before, the most revealing moment of
my entire life was being in the Iraq invasion, fighting
our way through the country and being told one day
that the order came down that we had to put
away our American flags, telling a legion of young patriotic

(14:27):
Marines that they had to hide their American flags. I
don't know that I've ever seen the light go out
of so many young Marines eyes as I did that day.
But this is what happens when your country's led by
a bunch of scumbags who don't love it, don't care
about anything but their own power, their own wealth. And

(14:48):
this went on for twenty years in places like Afghanistan. Now,
after twenty years, see Obama wanted out of Afghanistan at
least he said he did. Trump said he did too.
Biden said, everybody kept saying they wanted out, but we
were not out because it's not easy to get out

(15:10):
when you've been in a place for twenty years. You
have a military base, you have relationships, you have supply lines,
you have all these things. And one of the things
we were doing for twenty years was supposedly building up
the Afghan forces so they would be able to withstand
the Taliban when we did leave. But here's a little

(15:34):
genius wrinkle, brought to you by America's military. We also
forced them to be reliant on us, meaning yeah, you'll
be able to fight off the Taliban as long as
we are here providing X, Y, and Z. We essentially
trained them to ride a bike with training wheels and

(15:56):
then decided all at once to rip those training wheels away. Now,
let's discuss the decision itself to pull out the way
Joe Biden did, Because there is a way to egress
from a nation. There is a way to pull out.
It is not easy, but it is there is a way.

(16:18):
You have to do it carefully, slowly, one step at
a time. You essentially take one step at a time
backwards towards the door. You don't turn and run towards
the door. You don't back up too fast or you'll fall.
You take one step at a time, just like you
see in the movies, backing out the door, slowly but surely.

(16:43):
But you see, that's not what the Biden administration wanted.
Why why the big hurry? Why just pull everyone out,
turn around and run for the door. Oh, I'm glad
you asked poll numbers, approval ratings. We were approaching the

(17:06):
anniversary of nine to eleven, the twentieth anniversary nine to eleven.
The Biden administration wanted a good talking point. They wanted
a good parade, a good flowery, fluffy military video to
put out. They wanted Joe Biden to look like the

(17:28):
man who finally got us out of Afghanistan. So, against
all the advice in the world, they simply sent the
memo out and said, hey, leave, Oh oh okay, when?
Oh now, what do you mean now? Like right now?
Leave everywhere? Yeah? Well, what about all the equipment we have?

(17:49):
Leave it? Uh? What about the terrorists we're currently holding
ISIS terrorists currently holding being detained in Barga Mare Base.
Oh I don't care. Leave for poll numbers, for approval ratings,
so they could send out a nice tweet. That's why

(18:12):
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Speaker 2 (19:43):
True.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
It's the Jesse Kelly Show.

Speaker 1 (19:47):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a Tuesday, a
wonderful Tuesday, as we walk through Afghanistan, Abbygate to pull
out what happened, as we try to honor sacrifice, try
to hold people accountable on the fourth anniversary of all
of it. So Joe Biden because he wanted and I

(20:08):
know when I say Joe Biden as always, just know
that's a placeholder. He didn't want anything. It was the dirty,
filthy communists who hate America all around him. That was
the only people making decisions. So Joe Biden decided he
wanted a flowery photo op for the anniversary of September eleventh.
He yanked all of our troops out, emptied the place overnight,

(20:29):
without doing it smartly at all. What happens The Afghan
forces that we had supposedly been training for years started
to collapse almost immediately. The Taliban were ready. Of course,
they were given a heads up that we were leaving.
The Taliban were ready, and they began to conquer region

(20:50):
after region immediately. Now the people of Afghanistan are intimately
familiar with how the Taliban operate and what they do.
The Taliban's barbarism is infamous. Everybody knows about it. The
way they treat women, the way they treat children. They're
big on the whole torture thing, execution. Chris, You people

(21:10):
don't fare very well there. Neither do Christians. By the way,
the Taliban are evil. They are the spawn of Satan,
and people begin to panic. Afghan people begin to panic,
and they start to flood towards whatever Americans are left
in the country, saying save us, get us out, because

(21:33):
they know a life of torture and death is imminent
for them. Get us out, save us please. So we
are treated as Afghanistan is falling, we are treated to
scenes that are rough, to put it mildly, a runway

(21:54):
full of panicked Afghanis crowding around Sea one thirties, in
some cases so panicked they're holding on to the landing
gear before plummeting to their death high above the runway.
It's an ugly, awful scene, very reminiscent of when we
were pulling our final troops out of Vietnam. The panicked

(22:17):
people of Vietnam, knowing what's going to happen when the
communist savages finally have control over everything, A level of
fear that I hope you will never know, and frankly,
I hope I will never know. They're scared to death.
Now now the Biden administration is scrambling. They're scrambling because well,

(22:38):
one everyone went on vacation. Everyone went on vacation, Joe Biden,
our Secretary of State, Anthony Blincoln, even the White House
Press Secretary. They left as Afghanistan was collapsing. Then the
outrage starts to pour in. Their phones are blowing up.

(23:02):
What are you doing? What is happening over there? And
they dragged Joe Biden out and this when he sat
down with noted communist propagandist George Stephanopolis. This was the
answer from the President of the United States of America
as people were dropping from C one thirty.

Speaker 4 (23:20):
We've all seen the pictures.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
We've seen those hundreds of people packed into a C seventeen.
We've seen Afghan's fall was four days ago.

Speaker 4 (23:28):
Five days ago.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I was four or five days ago? Why are you
bringing up old stuff? Well, now here's what's happening inside
of the White House. Remember this was supposed to be
a flowery photo op. This was supposed to be a
great moment. Look at who pulled us out of Afghanistan.
Uh oh, the public's mad about something. What are we
going to do? They come up with the most kakamami

(23:55):
plan I've ever heard in my life. Pause for a
moment before we get to the plan, let me talk
about the detention center on Bogram Air Base. You see
the men we were holding there were some of the
most committed Jihadis on the planet. One of those men,

(24:15):
he was an ISIS guy. He had been previously captured
in India. He was in India getting ready to carry
out a terrorist attack in New Delhi. The Indians, by
the grace of God, found him first, grabbed him up,
deported him. We got our hands on him and threw

(24:35):
him in a cage in Bogram Air Base. When the
Biden administration abandoned Bagram Air Base, imagine the moment the
Taliban a walking through our air base and they come
across this detention place with a bunch of committed demons
who were willing to commit murder against Americans. They grabbed
the keys, open up the gates, and then there's a

(24:59):
me between isis between al Qaeda. They were part of this.
In fact, the bin Laden family is part of this.
Did you know this? Isis? Al Qaeda and the Taliban
had high level meetings about planning an attack. How do
we hurt these Americans? How do we blow up these troops?

(25:21):
Now back to our kocam Amy plan. Instead of an
air base which is very secure, and let me clarify
this for civilian types who may not understand why is
a military air base like Bogram secure but a civilian
airport is not secure. A military air base is surrounded

(25:41):
by walls, surrounded by towers, and in order to gain
entry to it, because we've learned over years and years
and years of dealing withchie hotties, to gain entry to it,
you don't just drive right up a road right up
to the gate and maybe you get a big truck
full of explosive and you blow through the gate or
blow up the gate or something like that. No, no, no, no, no, no,

(26:03):
no no, that's not how it works at all. You
have different barrier systems set up that force vehicles to
weave their way through gigantic concrete sandbag barriers. Can basically
you have prevented. You have prevented, for the most part,
any kind of a large suicide bomb attack that can

(26:24):
hurt a lot of personnel inside the air base. Maybe
you'll get the people guarding the gates. That certainly happens,
but for the most part, the base is secured. We've
learned how to avoid suicide tactics. But that has to
be done not just with troops, because troops, all of them,
even the toughest in the world, they're just flesh and blood.
It has to be done with hard infrastructure, walls, concrete, pillboxes, sandbags, towers.

(26:51):
This is how you protect yourself against gihatis, with suicide
vests and trucks full of ammonium nitrate. This is how
it is done, and that's what we had at Bagram.
But the geniuses in the Biden administration and the military
and the State Department and the intelligence community, we can't
let any of them off the hook. They just decided
to open up the whole freaking thing and give it

(27:14):
back to the Taliban. Now we have to go to
the airport, the regular old civilian airport. Let me ask
you something. Your airport, the airport in your community, how
secure is it? Oh no, no, don't get wrong. I
know there are metal detectors and things like that. But

(27:35):
what's surrounding the airport in your area? Now, this is
America in your area? At best, at best, there is
a chain link fence that is the ultimate security physically
keeping people out of your airport runway? Am I off?
Am I wrong about that? At all? At best, that's
what you have. Now we have legions of frightened people,

(28:00):
an airport that cannot possibly be properly secured, and we
send Marines, sailors and army soldiers into there to try
to sort through the mess. So the Biden administration doesn't
have the bad optics they had four or five days

(28:23):
ago when Afghani's were dropping from the sky. We sent
the troops in for optics, and we didn't give them
at all the infrastructure they needed to ensure the worst
couldn't happen. And while all this was going on, Taliban
isis al Qaeda operatives were meeting figuring out how to

(28:45):
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(29:10):
Back to what we were discussing. Don't distract me. We'll
get to other things, emails. I'll move office whenever I'm
done with it. I'm not in a hurry. We're talking
about what happened the fourth anniversary of Abby Gate. So
what did happen that day? First of all, don't think
for one single second that we didn't know there were

(29:31):
bad guys about, And don't think for a second that
we didn't identify the bad guy before he incinerated thirteen
of our troops with ball bearings. I'm gonna play a
couple things for you. United States Marine Corps sergeant I
believe he was stat. Sargant, Maybe was Sergeant Vargas Andrews.

(29:54):
He's describing the attack here.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
It was about seventeen thirty stap Sergeant Darren Hoover, friend
and men.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
By the way, this is a minute in forty two seconds.
I don't think I will interrupt it, just out of
respect that if I have to clarify something, I may
interrupt it, but I want him to have his piece.

Speaker 3 (30:12):
About seventeen thirty staff Sergeant Darren Hoover, friend and mentor
came to get me from the tower to go help
find an Afghan interpreter in the crowd. We found the

(30:38):
interpreter and his brother, born with American passports. They told
us five told us of five family members still in
the canal. I stayed there waiting for the family members,
standing against a two foot canal wall. Ten minutes past.
Then a flash and a massive way of pressure. I'm

(30:58):
throwing twelve feet onto the ground. I suddenly knew what
had happened. I opened my eyes to marines dead or
unconscious lying around me. A crowd of hundreds immediately vanished
in front of me, and my body was catastrophically wounded,

(31:19):
with one hundred, one hundred and fifty ball bearings now
in it. Almost immediately we started taking fire from the neighborhood,
and I saw how injured. I was with my right
arm completely shredded and unusable. I saw my lower abdomen
soaked in blood. I crawled backwards seven roughly seven feet,

(31:44):
because I thought I was still in harms away. My
body was overwhelmed from the trauma of the blast. My
abdomen had been ripped open. Every inch of my exposed
body except from my face to ball bearings shrapnel.

Speaker 1 (31:57):
Now, who was said that had that bomb? And could
we have stopped it beforehand? Here he was?

Speaker 3 (32:07):
I requested for the battalion commander, Lieutenant Colonel Brad Whited,
to come to the tower to see what we did.
While we waited for him, psychological operations individuals came to
our tower immediately and confirmed the suspect met the suicide
bomber description. He eventually arrived and we showed him our evidence,
the photos we had of the two men. We reassured
him of the ease of fire on the suicide bomber. Pointedly,
we asked him for engagement authority and permission. We asked

(32:29):
him if we could shoot. Our battalion commander said, and
I quote, I don't know end quote. Myself and my
team leader asked very harshly well, who does, because this
is your responsibility, sir. He again replied he did not know,
but would find out. We received no update and never
got our answer. Eventually the individual disappeared. To this day,
we believe he was a suicide bomber. We made everyone

(32:51):
on the ground to where operations had briefly halted but
then started again, plain and simple, we were.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Ignored, ignored. Hey, sir, here's a suicide bomber. Can I shoot?
I don't know? Well? Could could you maybe find out?
Never gets back to his troops. This is another thing
We're not just going to dump all over the Biden administration,

(33:18):
which of course we are going to do. The military
leadership in this country is a disgrace. The rot has
been going on for years, in years and years, and
now our brave troops on the ground are oftentimes led
by the biggest bunch of scumbed, dork idiot losers in

(33:40):
the country. You see that uniform that says general admiral
in immediately your respect level goes up. I sneer because
I assume that's a dirtball politician wearing a military uniform
who would sell his troops up the river in a heartbeat.

(34:01):
If it meant one more star on his caller. That's
what I assume, and I'm correct about ninety nine percent
of the time in this country. How in the world,
as a battalion commander, how does a battalion commander look
at a Marine Corps scout sniper who had identified the

(34:21):
suicide bomber ahead of time and say, I don't know.
I'll tell you right now. I had several battalion commanders
in my four years in the Marine Corps, and every
one of them, I guarantee you to a man would
have said kill him immediately, I'll deal with the aftermath. No,
go kill him, shoot him now. That's what I had

(34:44):
in two thousand to two thousand and four. By the
time twenty twenty came around, we get I don't know,
I'll find out, and never even makes a phone call
to come back, doesn't so much as get on the
radio and say lead says nothing. Pathetic. And after our

(35:07):
thirteen warriors died, the American people, hoping that maybe briefly
we had a commander in chief, waited for Joe Biden
to take the podium that night. Joe Biden took the
podium that night after having thrown away the lives of

(35:28):
thirteen brave warriors, and this is how it went.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Unattacked by a group known as isis K took the
lives of American service members standing guard at the airport
and wound it several others. Seriously, we have so much
to do within our capacity to do it. We just

(35:54):
have to remain steadfast, steadfast, playing John. They gave me
a list here. The first person I was instructed to
call on was Kelly O'donnald NBC.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
They gave me a list here, the first person I
was instructed to call on. Now, why were the communist
animals in charge of the country, Why were they giving
Joe Biden specific instructions on which reporter to call on,
Because even in the wake of the death of thirteen

(36:31):
brave souls, they were still just worried about optics, still
worried about poll members, still worried about approval ratings. We'll
wrap this up and play taps for the Fallen next
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