September 5, 2025 • 47 mins
Fireworks went off as RFK Jr testified before the Senate. Jesse Kelly plays the highlights and gets reaction from Jennifer Galardi, but not before a discussion about troops being sent into blue cities. Mike Cernovich joins Jesse to break that down and more. Plus, Sean Spicer explains why he went on Gavin Newsom's podcast.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Let's talk about sending the National Guard into Chicago and
other cities. Let's talk about that RFK hearing, what happened
with the Epstein press conference, all that and more coming
up on I'm right, okay, So let's just cover this
(00:25):
briefly because we have a huge show with amazing guests.
Spicer is here and Serno and Jennifer Glardi. So I
just I wanted to cover a concern. I have concern.
I have crime in big cities. We hate it. You
hate it, and I hate it, even if you don't
live in one, even if you don't ever visit. It's
kind of crappy. Makes us look bad. That New York
City's dirty and crime ridden, that Chicago's dirty and crime in,
(00:47):
that LA's dirty and crime ridden. We don't like it.
And we know you know as well as I do,
that that's not the case in every big city around
the world. There are all kinds of very big cities
that are very clear and quite save. So why is
it that way here? Because democrats run them, and democrats
do it on purpose. They create this poverty, crime ridden
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disaster because it keeps them in power. That's why. That's
why it exists, and we don't like it. You don't
like it, and I don't like it. And Trump doesn't
like it either, and he comes in, takes over as president,
and first things first, does not like the filth and
the violence and the murder in Washington, d C. So
he orders up the National Guard. And you cheered, and
(01:29):
I cheered, thrilled he did it. I'm thrilled. It's happening
right now. And we've seen crime numbers have dropped off
a cliff. There aren't murders anymore, robberies. All of a sudden.
The place is clean and safe. It's a place you
can take your family, even with little kids, and go
enjoy the new Korean War Memorial, Go enjoy the Vietnam Memorial.
(01:52):
Go enjoy your nation's capital. And when stuff like that happens,
here's what we do. We go, Oh, that's wonderful. Let's
do that everywhere. Let's do that in New York City,
Let's do that in Chicago. Let's do that everywhere. And
Trump has announced when it comes to places like Chicago,
(02:12):
that he intends to find up on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Chicago, though, well, we're going in I didn't say when
we're going in. Washington, DC is a totally safe city.
You're not reporting any crime because there is none. They
said crime is down eighty seven percent, and I said, no,
it's not, it's down one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
We have a great thing going.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I could do that with Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
We could do that with New York.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We could do it with Los Angeles. So we're making
a determination. Now do we go to Chicago or do
we go to a place like New Orleans, where we
have a great governor, Jeff Landry, who wants us to
come in and straighten out a very nice section of
this country. I want to go into Chicago and have
(02:57):
this incompetent governor that doesn't want us. Do you know
that this weekend, seventy two people were shot in Chicago,
So in three weeks I lost almost almost thirty five
people were killed.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It could have been stopped.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
If you look at.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Three weeks ago, it was the same or worse.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And now it's considered a totally safe zone.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, hard to argue with anything he says there. And
I'm not saying don't go. Let me repeat myself. I'm
not saying don't go. I want these cities cleaned up.
Maybe the national guardess a solution. But I want to
make something perfectly clear. Washington d C is not Chicago
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because the United States federal government controls Washington d C.
Washington d C exists at the behest of the United
States government. That is territory. The United States government controls
top to bottom. Therefore, even the dirtball COMMI Mayor of
DC has to get up and give press conference as well.
(04:05):
It is working, it's working very well. Why did she
say that that dirty commy? She has no whether choice.
But the United States government does not control Chicago, does
not control New York City. It doesn't it's outside of
their control. Who does control Chicago? What kind of welcome
(04:26):
can the National Guard anticipate? What kind of cooperation can
they anticipate with the Chicago Police Department? Well, here's the mayor.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Oh, are you prepared to defend this land? This land
that was built by slaves, a land that was built
by indigenous people, a land that's built by workers. Are
you prepared to defend this land? The people United will
(04:56):
always prevail. I need you understand firm to stand from
if this president decides to continue to break this custody.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The National Guard comes in unlike DC. The Chicago Police
Department says, we're not working with you. You're not going
to supplement anything. Hey, you want to go solve some crime,
say hello to the South Side by the way. That's
where all of these shootings and murders take place. Chicago
is a hub for the drug cartels. Therefore, Chicago gang
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members murder each other and droves for control of those drugs.
It's all in the South Side of Chicago, where people
die in stacks. We're going to send in the National
Guard without the cooperation the Chicago Police Department. What happens
if you wake up one morning and there's a Chicago
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gang banger, black kid dead with a National guardsman standing
over him. What are the of that? Or even worse,
what are the optics off? It's a National Guard soldier, husband, wife,
kids at home, dad on a street corner in Chicago,
not saying don't go. I'm saying be careful. And the
(06:16):
Trump administration knows this. That's why they haven't gone in yet.
They're not stupid, They're well aware of what I just said.
I'm concerned. Don't think that Chicago is DC. It is
not all that may have made you uncomfortable, but I
am right now. We have a huge show for you.
There was an Epstein press conference yesterday. I kind of
(06:37):
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We'll be back. Well, maybe you saw a little bit
(08:07):
of it. Maybe you didn't. There was a press conference
yesterday with a bunch of the Epstein victims and Gloria
Alrid was there, and look, I know the line we're
supposed to take. You know, they all deserve justice and whatnot.
And believe me, victims deserve justice, and I have no
doubt there are some there. But it felt kind of
(08:28):
scummy to me. It felt scummy. Maybe it's the Gloria
Allred part of it. It almost felt like I was
being scammed a little bit. And I don't like feeling
like that. Maybe Michael yelled me for feeling like that.
He's welcome to joining me now, my buddy Mike Cernovich,
filmmaker and author Mike It felt thirty man.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, it was a clown show. When I saw it,
I held my thoughts because I didn't want to word
things undiplomatically. But the press conference became a sideshow. People
holding signs saying Trump's a pedal. It looked like a
(09:09):
No King's protest. To be quite frank, that's what I thought.
It was a no King's protest, And I understand why
Massey did it. Marjorie Taylor Green is usually great. She
probably didn't realize what she was walking into. But how
can anyone think that the whole Epstein file thing is
not a debacle because Trump handle it poorly to understate it.
(09:35):
And then Massey, who the first time he ever posted
about it was in twenty twenty four. We've been talking
about this. I think I was on your show talking
about this is twenty twenty maybe years ago. You'd have
to check, but this is not something that magically appeared
in twenty twenty four. And then Massey tweets about it
one or two times when Biden's in office, and now
(09:55):
Massey sees it get Trump angle and he's all in
on it. So we have to be honest here about
what is what has happened. Trump was obviously given bad
intel by people who I think are don't have America's
best interests in mind. Trump really scruc a pooch on it.
How you know you don't support me if if you
(10:15):
want these files, like, what are you talking about? And
then Massy uses it because Massy and Trump have been feuding,
and I was a Massy supporter during the first round
of feuds. To be clear, I think we've talked. We've
talked about this. You know, we're getting old back in
the you know, back in the day, like we've talked.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
About all this.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
But I guess if it's a person's first time watching it,
they think we're reacting to some new thing. No, this
is part of an ongoing conversation we've had for five, six,
seven years, right, Massy Trump Epstein files, and the press
conference was a culmination of Massy's feud with Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, I guess we can focus on the Massy angle
of it for a second. A lot of Maga people
are very angry with Massy for it, and and I
certainly understand the anger. But you know, Donald Trump has
very publicly blasted him, very publicly threatened to primary him,
has just tried to primary him out. And this is
a contact sport. As people know. If you declare war,
(11:14):
they're going to declare war back. You can say, Massey
did it just to get Trump, And I would say, well, yeah,
what did you think he was just gonna lay it
down and let you the bullets get shot both ways
in war. Trump declared it now it's on.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Sure, And I backed Massey during the first few and
I thought it was stupid for Trump to have a
feud because you're not going to primary Massey. What do
they say, You don't start fights, you know you're gonna lose.
All you've done now is trade an enemy. But the
reason I bring the feud angle into it is because
Massey's office didn't talk to people like me who are
familiar with the case and say, hey, can you give
(11:50):
me a lay of the land? Well, you know, who
can you trust? How did this come about? And then
that meaning or whatever you want to call that thing.
Yesterday it probably wouldn't have had happened at all. But
if it had happened that it wouldn't have been a
me too two point zero where there's all these vague accusations.
Now we have a list, and we're gonna we're gonna
release the list, and then oh no, we're not gonna
(12:11):
release the list because if we do, we're gonna get sued.
I don't know if anybody's been been napping, but if
if a woman accuses a man of something, he's he's
not suing his life is more or less destroyed, right,
I don't I don't know what exactly. You look what
e Jo and Carroll did to Trump and and that
completely break things. So that's not a credible point of
(12:34):
view at all. So now Massi's claiming that he'll go
on the the House floor and because the speech and
Debate Immunity released a name. So in other words, the
people who are gonna get called out aren't are gonna
aren't gonna have any due process at all. I don't know, man,
I don't know how any I don't know how anybody can.
I don't know how everybody can offend that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, Mike, can you give for those of us who
for people who have been watching you and I discussed
this for years and years and years. You are great
about the lay of the land with this, and there's
so much crap information and headline chasing and click chasing
out there. What is the lay of the land? What
do we know? What do we believe? How did Trump
screw it up? Give us the lay of the land.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The lay of the land was that there was a
mob of operation that was conducted in twenty eighteen, twenty
nineteen and if you follow the timeline of the case.
I ensued to unseal epstein files in a defamation case
involving Kallaine Maxwell. The Miami here later joined that lawsuit.
(13:38):
We lost at trial, we went at appeal, or we
lost at the trial court.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It didn't go all the way to trial.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
It's a hearing.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It went on appeal. The appellate court said this clearly
was wrong. They should be released. Two days later, Epstein's arrested,
and then everybody thought, Okay, we're going to have some
kind of answers. But then this was me. People can
confirm it that this is not money Murton quarterbacking. I
read the indictment of Jeffrey Epstein, and I said, why
was he only charged with getting massages and his New
(14:05):
York apartment? And then I go, oh, that way all
of the other properties can be cleaned up by the
intelligence agencies and all the evidence can be taken and destroyed.
I said, I said that immediately. People can go back
and read my tweets about it immediately. So then what
happened was that the other properties were cleaned out. Then
(14:26):
three weeks later the properties are searched by the FBI.
After everything has been picked out. So there's the Epstein Falls.
Whoever was there before the FBI got there, has the
Epstein Falls. This all happened, you know, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Mike, What do we believe about the man? I mean,
a lot of people, people who'd spend you know, a
lot of time online, maybe reading some weird sources. A
lot of people believe that he's running in international sex
trafficking ring, which obviously he may have been. Others believe
that he was some sort of a CIA asset, a
(15:04):
wealthy guy who had wealthy powerful men, and similar to
you know, P Diddy hires prostitutes to come in when
rich powerful men come to his home and some of
them are under age. What do you believe? You're the
one who knows more than I do.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, My beliefs is that he was flying women from
around the world, that they weren't checking IDs necessarily, it
was a party place. And by the way, before somebody
tries to clip that, I'm not saying that's defensible, but
I don't think it was necessarily what other people think.
And then he was of course blackmailing people. Everyone who
(15:44):
had any kind of encounter with them saw the camera
hidden cameras everywhere, my bookcase behind me. You know they
know what they are, Jesse books in a bookcase, there's
no people, there's no like if you start moving books around,
you're not going to see a microphone into people and everything.
So obviously Epstein was blackmailing people and or at least
(16:05):
keeping things as an insurance policy. And because every man
knows what right, every man knows what if you're in
the If you're in the game, no money, no sex.
Which so for those of people who want to get
famous for the wrong reasons, let me just tell you
that that's how you're gonna be taken down. So people
who don't follow those rules end up compromised by others.
(16:28):
And Epstein obviously had compromised a number of very powerful people.
But the whole intelligence angle, here's here's what I never
got right. Let's say, for example, because Bill Gates and
Epstein have been connected, so we're not pulling names out
of thin air, what what is the macade? You know
(16:49):
we're gonna need Bill Gates blackmailed for right? That's that
to me, that was always the missing link. I know
that the Kloak and Dagger movie angle is so much
more appealing than Epstein sort of kept people under his
film for his own enrichment.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And but I.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Don't see what what is Epstein going to be able
to do that the CIA or Masad or other groups
couldn't do on their own. And Bill Gates would play
ball anyway. That's that's what I don't get is why
you know the regime doesn't need to blackmail Bill Gates? Right,
the regime doesn't need They would need to blackmail you.
They would need to blackmail me. Right, You don't blackmail
(17:27):
people who read Hoffin? What are you gonna blackmail Read Hoffman?
With read Hoffin's gonna do whatever regime tells him to do, right,
whatever message the regime comes up with an Aspen and
Builderberg and all these other events, he's gonna do. So
for me, that was always the big Well, it's a
great story, it's a great plot line for a movie.
But the people close to Epstein were not right wing people. Right,
(17:51):
it wasn't oh, this great conservative guy like, it wasn't
Talker Carlson, taker Carlson. You would want to try to
use leverage on right because Tucker's not gonna play ball.
You're not going to play ball other people aren't going
to play ball. But Reid Hoffman and Bill Gates, who
you know, I think are scummy people. That's a separate question.
They're blackmail with what make them do what?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They're going to do it anyway, Yeah, those powerful people. Mike,
Before I let you go, I do have to ask you.
I talked a little bit in the open, very briefly
about about Trump sending in the troops, potentially sending in
the troops to other places like Chicago. Not at all
against it. I need to clarify that for the tenth
time on this show. But I am more concerned because
(18:34):
we don't control Chicago the we control DC. We don't
control it like LA like we control DC. This is
a hostile political environment and I could see it not
going well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
People have always been worried about the left orchestrating at
Kent State event, because most people of this day don't
know that the Kent State event, as we were taught,
was actually false. Kent State. They were Antifa, they were Marxists,
they were throwing bricks and trying to kill the National
Guard people, and then things popped off a little bit.
So a lot of people are justifiably concerned that the
left could orchestrate a Kent State style event. But the
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difference is that we look what they tried to do
a Written House. Even though it was a travesty, the
Written House was ever indeted, or Daniel Penny was ever
indeted because the elon God bless them. I know people
have their concerns with them and everything else, but they
can't they can't gaslight people the way they do. So
if they do a can't state kind of event, like
you know, Writtenhouse would have been dead without the Daily
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Caller people and without even censorship era Twitter, this is
a object to fact. Daniel Penny's same thing. So it's
much more difficult for the left to orchestrate these kind
of things where oh look, I'm take, for example, that
woman who is running at the cop and got shot
debunked immediately right. It was debunked so fast that I
(19:54):
was two days behind it. I go, oh wow, I
didn't even see this one because with free speech on X,
immediately like, oh, that's the bunk. There was that one
where the woman claimed, oh I was cooking spaghetti and
the cop shot her, and then you see that she's
about to throw a boiling water at the cop right,
and you're like, Okay, that one is the bunk. So
I'm not as worried about the Kent States found narrative
(20:17):
forming because we do have truth on her side, and
we do have for now freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Mike, my brother. As always, I appreciate you come back.
RFK had a spicy hearing. We'll talk to Jennifer Gallardi
about it in a moment. Let me talk to you
about remembering to put your money where your morals are.
You know, there was a period of time, i'd say
two three years ago where it seemed like everybody had
(20:46):
gone mad, and every corporation most definitely, especially in the
wake of the George Floyd stuff. And then when you
told people to put their money where their morals are,
then it was an easier thing. But now that it
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Speaker 7 (21:47):
Change has its enemies. That's why we need new blood
at CDC. That's also why it's imperative then we remove
officials with conflicts of interest and catastrophically bad judgment and
political agendas. We need unbiased politics, free, transparent, evident based
science in the public interest. Those are the guiding principles
(22:11):
behind the changes at the CDC, and that is what
you can expect all across our agency for the next
three years. We are the sickest country in the world.
That's why we have to fire people at CDC. They
did not do their job. This was their job to
keep us healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I need to fire some of those people to make
sure this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Spicy today, I enjoyed it. I bet Jennifer Gallardi was
absolutely doing backflips. If she can do backflips, it's probably
dangerous joining me now. Jennifer Gallardi's senior policy analysts at
the Heritage Foundation. Jennifer, can you do a backflip?
Speaker 8 (22:50):
I can't, but I can do cartwheels, and I was
doing some of those in the office today. At least
I was jumping up and down. You know, everybody can
do that and probably should given the state of OBCD
rates in the country. Just do a couple jumping jacks,
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, jumping jacks actually are a great exercise. Now back
to the hearing today, how'd it go?
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I mean, he obviously got grilled, But what do you
expect from members in Congress that are so entrenched in
orthodoxy in the medical establishment and pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
He's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
We're seeing the pushback we expected to see when we
drained the swamp. Trump promised it in twenty sixteen. He
wasn't able to accomplish it because of, you know, the
forces working against them.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He wisened up.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
He put people in place that would shake up everything
that were that were kind of anti establishment. We're seeing
this in the State Department, we're seeing it in the
Defense Department, and we're seeing it here. And it's exactly
what the people voted for. The Only people that are
going kicking and screaming are mostly the people that get
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funds from big pharma, big ag so I think this
is what we can expect. They didn't get them a
chance to even breathe. I think it was disgraceful and disrespectful,
but that's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah. Speaking of which, here's Ron Wyden and Michael Bennett
with some grilling.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
I hope that you will tell the American people how
many preventable child deaths are an acceptable sacrifice for enacting
an agenda that I think is fundamentally cruel and defives
common sense.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Thank you to German.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I do I got a reply, sanity. You've said in
that chair for how long? I'm twenty twenty five years
while the chronic disease and our children went up to
seventy six percent and you said nothing?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Saturday?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Are you saying that.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Has never been as I was myer cardis or paracardis.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I am saying, I am simple.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You're trying to tell I am simply trying to say
that the people that you have put on that panel
after firing the entire evading the question. You No, I'm
asking the questions.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Here're evading that question.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'm asking the questions they're going to have to go
off label.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This is crazy too, You're just to prescribe the vaccine
for children.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I'm not making things.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
You're so wrong on fact.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You're you're interrupting me, and sir, you're a charlatan.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You're making it up interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
You are getting dishonest.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Right, you want to talk about mental health and guns
you're being in this country.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
If you want to talk.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
About mental health and gun violence in this country, we
should be talking about that, because that's what the talking school.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
You don't want to talk on a harangue. And you
want to be politically, you want to have partisan politics.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
That was your promise.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I know I can't. I never promised that I was
going to recommend products with which there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Is not really occasion.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Wait, you said, and I know you've taken eight hundred
and fifty five thousand dollars from pharmaceutical company.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Senator, It's hard not to notice on the entertainment value,
how many big pharma talking points do come out of
these hearings. Just how bought is the United States Senate?
Speaker 8 (26:09):
It seems to be greatly bought. I think there's two things.
I think there's money involved, You're always going to get people,
like I said, kicking and screaming when they were being
paid a lot. But also, if I'm being generous, some
of these people, this is their orthodoxy, this is their religion. Otherwise,
why aren't they willing and open to hear alternative I
(26:30):
don't want to say alternative facts, but dissenting data on
a product that didn't work, particularly on the COVID vaccines.
What I can't seem to get my head around is
why they are so entrenched on keeping these available for
children when you know, at the best they did nothing,
(26:50):
They were ineffectual. At the worst, they harmed young adults
with myocarditis like he was trying to get out there periocarditis.
There's evidence of that. Are they what are they hanging on?
I think part of it is an identity crisis. They
place their identity in some sort of boogie savior, right,
some sort of Christ that they believe is going to
(27:11):
save the world, like a vaccine.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Otherwise, I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
It challenges the core of who they are and everything
they've believed up until this point. Vaccine saved the world,
you know, despite the fact that a lot of the
kind of the health and the healing from a lot
of these diseases has come from sanitation measures, cleaning up
kind of sewage and medical practices.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right, not necessary. We don't know that vaccines.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
A lot of them have been given after the fact,
when disease rates were already starting to come down. Was
it the vaccine or was it just natural immunity. There's
a lot of questions around these and why they are
holding on so tightly, I think is when you and
we've discussed this about the ideology, when when something becomes
your identity and something, there's a crack in that, right
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you believe in something for so long, there's a crack,
You start to go, well, what else have I been
lied to about? What else do I believe That's false?
I think we're seeing some of that, but obviously the
money is a good source of their resistance as well.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
What do we what do we know now about all
these childhood vaccines. It's a topic of endless debate back
and forth. Some people will say it kills kids, it
causes autism, it saves kids. If you want to cause
an online debate, just say anything on either side of
the childhood vaccine thing and get ready for the barking
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hyenas to start snarling. What do we know?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
We don't know enough, and that's the point. We want
better research. We want to understand. No, there have been
no truly double blind, placebo controlled trials on vaccines. That's
exactly what Kennedy is calling for. That's what the CDC
and kind of the new guard at the CDC is
calling for. We don't know enough. We don't know enough
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about what's causing autism. We want to have funding for
good research and to say that the science is settled.
Kind of going back to his confirmation hearing the science
is never settled.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Why can't we question.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Something is going wrong? And why are we insisting on
following the people that were heads of the agency when
the thing started to go wrong? Like Kennedy makes some
really good points, it's almost laughable. Like you said, it's
good entertainment because aside it from being very sad, it
is kind of good comedy because I think these these
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senators are making fools of themselves.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
There's something.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
They're so adamant that something's up.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jennifer, why is the Heritage Foundation pushing for a new
Manhattan project? Who are we going to new.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Yes, we're not nuking anyone. Leave it to the liberal
media to scandalize something that is really common sense that
everybody knows is that the nuclear family is the foundation
for a great America and even a healthier America. And
you know, shocker, Heritage Foundation supports family policy. We're doing
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what we've always done. We're just kind of putting more
focus on it. We're excited to release exactly what we've
been working on, and the Washington Post thank you, like
our domestic policy had Roger Severino mentioned in the article,
thanks for bringing attention to it, and we're excited to
roll out what we actually recommend. You know, there are studies,
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as we know, children do best with a mother and
a father and a nuclear family. I kind of lived
the liberal ideologies we've talked about ad nauseum, and even
as someone who's not married without kids, I understand the
benefits of it for a rightly ordered society, for a
civil society, and that's really what we're about.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Jennifer It sentenced me. I saw a recent charge you've
talked about. I'm sure you've seen it that shows you know,
we talk about birth rates, but right wingers are reproducing
in fact, they're reproducing above replacement level. They are getting
married and they're making babies, and they're moving on and
being happy. But left wingers simply are not. That's what
That's what all the following birth rates are about. And
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I know we're supposed to celebrate that because the kooky
commies aren't aren't reproducing, But I find that to be
so incredibly sad that half of our society is just
kind of checked.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Out of it, right, And I feel the same way. Yeah,
I always say I'm not.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I think we need to be very careful between identifying
as a libertarian or conservative conservative. Part of a conservative
platform is caring what happens to us as a country
as community, as our fellow citizens.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
What does it mean to be a citizen. It means to.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Work together in this kind of political environment, in this
cultural environment, to have the greatest benefit for the most
amount of people. That's what politics aims to do. And
you're right, it does make us sad at heritage when
we see women who kind of condemn marriage, saying the
very thing that they were born to do is kind
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of a scourge on their life and doesn't bring them
joy or restricts their freedom it's kind of sad. I mean,
me being older and not being able to have children.
I look at babies and I get a little bit
of regret. I don't have much in my life. God
took me down the path he was meant to. But
you know, I get a little sad that I don't
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have children, and I try to channel that instead of
being angry at people or lashing out. I try to
channel that in other ways. I play with my kids,
my friend's children's and my boyfriend's kids. I get active
and watching them participates in sports. So you know, you
don't have to go down that path to acknowledge that
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it's helpful for society, that it's good for children. I
think we need to start, just like Kennedy is saying
with America, make America healthy again. We need to start
thinking about the children and what we're leaving behind for
them and the kind of life they're going to inherit.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, plus you can do other things women are meant
to do. Let cook and clean. Jennifer, thank you so much.
I appreciate it. Come back soon. We'll be back sure
well by now, unless you're a complete moron or living
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under a rock somewhere you figured out that Gavin Newsom
wants to be president of the United States, and he's
quite obviously running already to be president of the United States.
But Gavin Newsom has a problem. He's governor of California.
Beautiful and wonderful as California is, it's viewed as a
complete commie, left wing kookie state full of nutballs, and
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that's going to be a hard sell in swing states.
And Gavin Newsom is no moron, he knows this. So
what's the game. Well, he's having sharp people on the
right on to I guess spar with a little maybe
joining me. Now. One of those people Sean Spicer, who
you know, host of the wonderful Sean Spicer's show. Sean,
you went and sat down with the old governor. How
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was that?
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Actually kind of enjoyed it. You know, we had a
really interesting civil discussion.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
I think, look, he's got a big audience, there's no
doubt about it. And I got to make a pretty
I think compelling case about what President Trump's doing and
why his policies are moving to president the country in
the right direction. So if I can open the eyes
up of a bunch of people who don't see that.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
That's great, right.
Speaker 11 (34:39):
You and I both have shows on the first television
networking on YouTube, and I think when people on the
left have their eyes opened to the reality of what's
going on and the policies that were offering in the
solutions and the results.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
A lot of times I hear people saying I've never
heard that before.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Huh, So I'm sort of evangelizing the left. I think
anyway getting out there. I'll take any opportunity. I'll go
to any forum.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
My view is we're right.
Speaker 11 (35:05):
You know that phrase, and I like we should be
willing to take our message pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Sean, what was your measure of the guy? Obviously I've
never met him personally. Many people who have have opinions
all over the place. I am concerned concerned that he's
going to make or run at it. He's a prolific fundraiser,
has access to a whole bunch of money. Governor of
the richest, most powerful state in the Union. I think
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he's going to make a very serious run at it.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Do you one hundred percent? One hundred percent?
Speaker 11 (35:42):
He is like, Look, I talked to him off camera
about this because I do a morning show on my
YouTube channel called The Morning Meeting, and Mark Halper and
I have a little bit of bet going. I believe
there's no question he's running for a million reasons. Mark
is less certain. And so I said to him off camera,
I meant to say it on the show, but we
ran a Thomas said, you know, we got a little
bet going, and he said, you know, I don't feel
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like I'm betraying anything, but he said, look, I am,
I'm thinking about it. I don't think there's any question
about that. But you know, the guy's got a family.
And one of the things that you realize in these
conversations Jesse, is you know there are things that do
bind us together. We both have young kids. We had
an opportunity to talk off camera about the challenges that
kids face on social media, and so there are some
things on a personal level that you can have a
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discussion with somebody about that that aren't necessarily political in nature,
that you might share some common issues with.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
And in this case, I think we both had a very.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Off camera discussion about the challenges that young kids face
today and with respect to social media. And so I
say that because I think he's running for a million reasons.
One of which if you and I said to him,
you know, when I looked at the media that you
got when he went to South Carolina, any political aid
would say that it was really well executed. And then
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a couple of days later, Governor Brashiera Kentucky went and
it was abysmal.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So if you're Governor Newsome.
Speaker 11 (37:03):
And you go do a trip like this and you realize, Wow,
whatever I'm doing is resonating with my left wing base.
But when my fellow governors go they get panned, you
gotta think. I mean, you can't be in office as
long as Gavin Newsom has without a pretty healthy ego.
I don't think that anyone would ever doubt that he
probably would agree with that. And I think that when
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you realize how weak this field is, and let's be honest,
I mean, we're grading on a curve here, you've got
to say to yourself, I gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I gotta do it for the good of my party.
So there's no question in my mind he is running.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
And part of the.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
Reason that I think he's doing this podcast is so
that he can say that he's having meetings and discussions
with people.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Sean, how does he hold up when he stands on
that debate stage with AOC on one side of him
and Jasmine Crockett on the other side of him, and
they're coming out for full blown communism. There, I need
reparations every kooky idea because they try to sell books
and make a name for themselves getting to the left
of him, and he can't take that position and then
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have a hope or a prayer of winning Pennsylvania, wisconsinin
or Michigan. How do you navigate that minefield?
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Well, look, as I said a moment ago, the guy's
been in office for like sixty years. He was mayor
of San Francisco, lieutenant governor, governor, so he's been adept
at dealing with this. And obviously, if you can get
elected statewide in California for as long as he has,
you clearly don't have to handle a very liberal base.
So I would actually argue that he probably is better
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at this than almost anybody, which is sort of how
do you say something appealing to your base without really
getting into deep to it.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
That's where I think, And look, this is not his
first rodeo.
Speaker 11 (38:49):
I would you know, juxtapose that to AOC and Crockett
in particular, can throw out a bunch of words, but
they're an inch deep at best.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
I think that's probably being generous.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
So one thing about Newsom is that he has been
on the big the big stage. He has taken some
serious at bats, which unlike that. I mean, those guys,
they are Their idea of a tough interview is Rachel Maddow.
So I will say this the governor, and I think
part of the reason that he's having these discussions he
had one with me, he had one with Charlie Kirk,
he had one with Steve Bannon, is that it's kind
of like it's it's spring training for him. He's like, Okay,
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how do I take on you know, conservatives, maga types,
uh and engage with them? Look at I mean, look, look,
you could watch the conversation that we had and you'll
see we never raise our voice and never got mad.
I think I made some pretty strong points and pushed
back on on on his liberal positions.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
But I think he's he's he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
The guy's a shrewd politician, right and and I think
he is he is trying to get ready for this race.
And that's where I think the funny part is the
guys on the left, the Jasmine Crocketts, the AOC's, et cetera.
They're they're talking to themselves and that's great for a primary.
But but Javin Newsom's he's already thinking ahead. And as
I said earlier, Jesse, you look at this field. It
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is so pathetic. I literally I think to myself, if
I were a Democratic governor right now, why wouldn't you
get into this race?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
It is so pathetically weak.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Is there a concern, Sean that you're helping him get ready?
You mentioned it's spring training, Well, you're the opposition team
helping him get ready for the season. Is there a
concern with that? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (40:26):
I got a bunch of pushback and said, you're platforming
this guy. You've got two hundred thousand people. Look at
the end of the day, if you're watching Gavin Newsom,
I would argue the opposite. I'm out there evangelizing these
folks who have gotten spoon fed left wing talking points
and told that Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Is horrible and bad.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
And I got on the Gavin Newsom's I got platformed
by him to tell his audience why what Donald Trump
is doing and what the MAGA movement is doing, is
moving this country.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
In a better, safer, more prosperous way.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
So you know, look, if we want to talk to ourselves,
then great. But at the end of the day, what
Donald Trump did in the last life, he went places,
He did things that no other politician would do, and
he was rewarded with the popular vote in winning every
battleground state. It wasn't because he sat in a hole
and just talked to you know, went on war room
with Steve Bannon or I'm right with Jesse Kelly or
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even Sean Spicer.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
This guy went everywhere and he put a message and
he was rewarded with not just the votes.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
We think about the number of young men, black men
and women black men, and you know, Hispanics. He was
rewarded because he went places and he took that message
of America first and a results oriented record. And so
that's what I think. We've got to do that kind
of stuff. Now we do it without fear of favor.
If you watched that interview with.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Gavin eastim I pushed back. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I didn't.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
I'm not there to play like suck up to the host,
which is what a lot of Republicans do on Sunday shows.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Oh, Kristen, Margaret, thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.
Speaker 11 (41:53):
You know what I mean today that I'm My view
is we should be unapologetic in our support for the
America First agenda and the results that we're getting, order, security, crime,
Donald Trump's doing in DC, tax cuts, tariffs. I mean, look,
I'm out there and I said at the beginning of
the of my appearance with him that I'm very proud
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of what Donald Trump is doing. I'm very proud to
be a fiscal and social conservative. So as long as
we lead with pride in our positions, I think we
should go everywhere and do everything. The difference is that,
as I said, too many Republicans go on these shows
and just you're right, Oh, that's an area of agreement.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Thanks so much. Through that, let's take let's be.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
Proud of what we're fighting for and spread and evangelize
the brand.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Sean you mentioned, well, you've said you think JD. Vance
is going to be the next president, which of course
begs the question. I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves,
but that's fun, isn't it. Who's the VP? Are Rubio?
Is it to say it this is it some dark
horse we don't see.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Look, it's very possible.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
The one thing that's interesting, like I had a conversation
with a guy named Nate Morris the other day. He's
running for the Senate in Kentucky. Good friend of JD's,
He's gotten to know him. My point in saying that,
Jesse is that JD is going to cultivate a whole
other group of folks into the America First Agenda. Now,
on his face, I think Marco Rubio would be fantastic.
He is shown to be an unbelievable warrior in the
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America First Agenda Secretary of State. But my former colleague
Sarah Huckeby Sanders has been really digging into the MAHA
movement in Arkansas, making Arkansas a better state, a healthier state.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
So she'd be another great pick. Look, the one difference.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
Between our side and theirs is that you and I
could probably spend two hours going back and forth creating
a list, and that would be the short list of
people who would make a great vice president. I can't
even tell you who'd make a great president on the left.
And I'm being trying to be objective, and that's the
difference between our side and theirs. We're full of ideas.
You think about Trump's cabinet. I've said this every time
when Trump has a cabinet meeting, I get excited. It's
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like a report card to the American people. Every one
of them goes around the room and has to say,
here's what I've done in the last thirty days.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
And every one of them, I go, you know what,
that person.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Could be a vice president.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
They many of them could be president. So our side
on the right is not lacking in depth. Their side
is really pathetic.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
What about Glenn Youngkin, Sean, It's hard to ignore the
man who won the governorship in a state that was
thought to be very blue, has done quite well in
that state, yet you never hear his name.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Yeah, I live in that state.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
I mean, look, I think Governor Younkin's done a lot
of good in Virginia.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
I'm, you know, considering.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Where we were.
Speaker 11 (44:40):
But a couple of things politically, and I don't mean
this in a disparaging way, Jesse, but Youngkin mccauliffe lost
that race more than Younkin won it. And when we
look at what we've got, we've lost the House, We've
lost the Senate under his tenure. So I would just
argue that, look, I he's been a great governor, So
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I'm not I'm trying to be disparaging. But at the
end of the day, what are you campaigning on? What
have you done in the Comwealth of Virginia.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
We lost both houses of.
Speaker 11 (45:11):
You know, the state legislature here in Virginia, So I'm
really not sure what you campaign on.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
What is it that you What is it that he did.
Speaker 11 (45:19):
He didn't cut taxes, he didn't There's no there's nothing
that he can turn to and say, I got this
done and I'm campaigning on it. So I think you know, look,
he did a great job getting Virginia back on track
considering where it was headed. Terry mcauff would have been
an absolute disaster as governor again. But at the end
of the day, as somebody listened in the Commonwealth of Virginia,
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I'm not entirely sure what the case that he would
make would be.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Sean, thank you as always, my brother, come back to
light the mood. That's be very grateful you still live
in the United States of America. As we lighten the
mood here because we still have some semblance of freedom
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in this country. And if the government turns to evil,
we have lots of guns to do something about it.
They don't have that luxury over there in the UK.
And we're watching in real time as that government gets
more and more evil, the people get more and more angry,
and who knows where this is going to go. British
comedy writer Graham Linehan, he put up a tweet, just
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put up a tweet saying, you know, it's essentially men
can't become women kind of a thing. You know, get
the training nonsense out of here, It's all he said.
Well he gets arrested, surrounded by cops and arrested the
second he gets to the UK. This is the kind
of courage. This is how you push back against tyrants.
This is how he showed up to court. Do you
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have a few words I had him put in here.
Speaker 12 (46:57):
And guys, oh well, I'm never gonna saying that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I'll see it the more.
Speaker 7 (47:13):
M h
Speaker 6 (47:17):
Mh
Let's talk about sending the National Guard into Chicago and
other cities. Let's talk about that RFK hearing, what happened
with the Epstein press conference, all that and more coming
up on I'm right, okay, So let's just cover this
(00:25):
briefly because we have a huge show with amazing guests.
Spicer is here and Serno and Jennifer Glardi. So I
just I wanted to cover a concern. I have concern.
I have crime in big cities. We hate it. You
hate it, and I hate it, even if you don't
live in one, even if you don't ever visit. It's
kind of crappy. Makes us look bad. That New York
City's dirty and crime ridden, that Chicago's dirty and crime in,
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that LA's dirty and crime ridden. We don't like it.
And we know you know as well as I do,
that that's not the case in every big city around
the world. There are all kinds of very big cities
that are very clear and quite save. So why is
it that way here? Because democrats run them, and democrats
do it on purpose. They create this poverty, crime ridden
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disaster because it keeps them in power. That's why. That's
why it exists, and we don't like it. You don't
like it, and I don't like it. And Trump doesn't
like it either, and he comes in, takes over as president,
and first things first, does not like the filth and
the violence and the murder in Washington, d C. So
he orders up the National Guard. And you cheered, and
(01:29):
I cheered, thrilled he did it. I'm thrilled. It's happening
right now. And we've seen crime numbers have dropped off
a cliff. There aren't murders anymore, robberies. All of a sudden.
The place is clean and safe. It's a place you
can take your family, even with little kids, and go
enjoy the new Korean War Memorial, Go enjoy the Vietnam Memorial.
(01:52):
Go enjoy your nation's capital. And when stuff like that happens,
here's what we do. We go, Oh, that's wonderful. Let's
do that everywhere. Let's do that in New York City,
Let's do that in Chicago. Let's do that everywhere. And
Trump has announced when it comes to places like Chicago,
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that he intends to find up on.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Chicago, though, well, we're going in I didn't say when
we're going in. Washington, DC is a totally safe city.
You're not reporting any crime because there is none. They
said crime is down eighty seven percent, and I said, no,
it's not, it's down one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
We have a great thing going.
Speaker 3 (02:32):
I could do that with Chicago.
Speaker 4 (02:34):
We could do that with New York.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
We could do it with Los Angeles. So we're making
a determination. Now do we go to Chicago or do
we go to a place like New Orleans, where we
have a great governor, Jeff Landry, who wants us to
come in and straighten out a very nice section of
this country. I want to go into Chicago and have
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this incompetent governor that doesn't want us. Do you know
that this weekend, seventy two people were shot in Chicago,
So in three weeks I lost almost almost thirty five
people were killed.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
It could have been stopped.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
If you look at.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
Washington, d C.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
Three weeks ago, it was the same or worse.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And now it's considered a totally safe zone.
Speaker 1 (03:21):
Okay, hard to argue with anything he says there. And
I'm not saying don't go. Let me repeat myself. I'm
not saying don't go. I want these cities cleaned up.
Maybe the national guardess a solution. But I want to
make something perfectly clear. Washington d C is not Chicago
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because the United States federal government controls Washington d C.
Washington d C exists at the behest of the United
States government. That is territory. The United States government controls
top to bottom. Therefore, even the dirtball COMMI Mayor of
DC has to get up and give press conference as well.
(04:05):
It is working, it's working very well. Why did she
say that that dirty commy? She has no whether choice.
But the United States government does not control Chicago, does
not control New York City. It doesn't it's outside of
their control. Who does control Chicago? What kind of welcome
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can the National Guard anticipate? What kind of cooperation can
they anticipate with the Chicago Police Department? Well, here's the mayor.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Oh, are you prepared to defend this land? This land
that was built by slaves, a land that was built
by indigenous people, a land that's built by workers. Are
you prepared to defend this land? The people United will
(04:56):
always prevail. I need you understand firm to stand from
if this president decides to continue to break this custody.
Speaker 1 (05:11):
The National Guard comes in unlike DC. The Chicago Police
Department says, we're not working with you. You're not going
to supplement anything. Hey, you want to go solve some crime,
say hello to the South Side by the way. That's
where all of these shootings and murders take place. Chicago
is a hub for the drug cartels. Therefore, Chicago gang
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members murder each other and droves for control of those drugs.
It's all in the South Side of Chicago, where people
die in stacks. We're going to send in the National
Guard without the cooperation the Chicago Police Department. What happens
if you wake up one morning and there's a Chicago
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gang banger, black kid dead with a National guardsman standing
over him. What are the of that? Or even worse,
what are the optics off? It's a National Guard soldier, husband, wife,
kids at home, dad on a street corner in Chicago,
not saying don't go. I'm saying be careful. And the
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Trump administration knows this. That's why they haven't gone in yet.
They're not stupid, They're well aware of what I just said.
I'm concerned. Don't think that Chicago is DC. It is
not all that may have made you uncomfortable, but I
am right now. We have a huge show for you.
There was an Epstein press conference yesterday. I kind of
(06:37):
felt dirty, to be honest with you. Mike Cernovich is
going to join us to talk about that. In a
moment before he joins us, let me talk to you
about how you feel. How's your mood. Something happens as
you get older. You start to get tired, easier, right,
(06:57):
and you get sometimes, don't you almost inexplicably. I'm not
talking about you're watching a sad movie or something. You
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We'll be back. Well, maybe you saw a little bit
(08:07):
of it. Maybe you didn't. There was a press conference
yesterday with a bunch of the Epstein victims and Gloria
Alrid was there, and look, I know the line we're
supposed to take. You know, they all deserve justice and whatnot.
And believe me, victims deserve justice, and I have no
doubt there are some there. But it felt kind of
(08:28):
scummy to me. It felt scummy. Maybe it's the Gloria
Allred part of it. It almost felt like I was
being scammed a little bit. And I don't like feeling
like that. Maybe Michael yelled me for feeling like that.
He's welcome to joining me now, my buddy Mike Cernovich,
filmmaker and author Mike It felt thirty man.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, it was a clown show. When I saw it,
I held my thoughts because I didn't want to word
things undiplomatically. But the press conference became a sideshow. People
holding signs saying Trump's a pedal. It looked like a
(09:09):
No King's protest. To be quite frank, that's what I thought.
It was a no King's protest, And I understand why
Massey did it. Marjorie Taylor Green is usually great. She
probably didn't realize what she was walking into. But how
can anyone think that the whole Epstein file thing is
not a debacle because Trump handle it poorly to understate it.
(09:35):
And then Massey, who the first time he ever posted
about it was in twenty twenty four. We've been talking
about this. I think I was on your show talking
about this is twenty twenty maybe years ago. You'd have
to check, but this is not something that magically appeared
in twenty twenty four. And then Massey tweets about it
one or two times when Biden's in office, and now
(09:55):
Massey sees it get Trump angle and he's all in
on it. So we have to be honest here about
what is what has happened. Trump was obviously given bad
intel by people who I think are don't have America's
best interests in mind. Trump really scruc a pooch on it.
How you know you don't support me if if you
(10:15):
want these files, like, what are you talking about? And
then Massy uses it because Massy and Trump have been feuding,
and I was a Massy supporter during the first round
of feuds. To be clear, I think we've talked. We've
talked about this. You know, we're getting old back in
the you know, back in the day, like we've talked.
Speaker 6 (10:31):
About all this.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
But I guess if it's a person's first time watching it,
they think we're reacting to some new thing. No, this
is part of an ongoing conversation we've had for five, six,
seven years, right, Massy Trump Epstein files, and the press
conference was a culmination of Massy's feud with Trump.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Yeah, I guess we can focus on the Massy angle
of it for a second. A lot of Maga people
are very angry with Massy for it, and and I
certainly understand the anger. But you know, Donald Trump has
very publicly blasted him, very publicly threatened to primary him,
has just tried to primary him out. And this is
a contact sport. As people know. If you declare war,
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they're going to declare war back. You can say, Massey
did it just to get Trump, And I would say, well, yeah,
what did you think he was just gonna lay it
down and let you the bullets get shot both ways
in war. Trump declared it now it's on.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Sure, And I backed Massey during the first few and
I thought it was stupid for Trump to have a
feud because you're not going to primary Massey. What do
they say, You don't start fights, you know you're gonna lose.
All you've done now is trade an enemy. But the
reason I bring the feud angle into it is because
Massey's office didn't talk to people like me who are
familiar with the case and say, hey, can you give
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me a lay of the land? Well, you know, who
can you trust? How did this come about? And then
that meaning or whatever you want to call that thing.
Yesterday it probably wouldn't have had happened at all. But
if it had happened that it wouldn't have been a
me too two point zero where there's all these vague accusations.
Now we have a list, and we're gonna we're gonna
release the list, and then oh no, we're not gonna
(12:11):
release the list because if we do, we're gonna get sued.
I don't know if anybody's been been napping, but if
if a woman accuses a man of something, he's he's
not suing his life is more or less destroyed, right,
I don't I don't know what exactly. You look what
e Jo and Carroll did to Trump and and that
completely break things. So that's not a credible point of
(12:34):
view at all. So now Massi's claiming that he'll go
on the the House floor and because the speech and
Debate Immunity released a name. So in other words, the
people who are gonna get called out aren't are gonna
aren't gonna have any due process at all. I don't know, man,
I don't know how any I don't know how anybody can.
I don't know how everybody can offend that.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
Okay, Mike, can you give for those of us who
for people who have been watching you and I discussed
this for years and years and years. You are great
about the lay of the land with this, and there's
so much crap information and headline chasing and click chasing
out there. What is the lay of the land? What
do we know? What do we believe? How did Trump
screw it up? Give us the lay of the land.
Speaker 3 (13:17):
The lay of the land was that there was a
mob of operation that was conducted in twenty eighteen, twenty
nineteen and if you follow the timeline of the case.
I ensued to unseal epstein files in a defamation case
involving Kallaine Maxwell. The Miami here later joined that lawsuit.
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We lost at trial, we went at appeal, or we
lost at the trial court.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It didn't go all the way to trial.
Speaker 6 (13:42):
It's a hearing.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
It went on appeal. The appellate court said this clearly
was wrong. They should be released. Two days later, Epstein's arrested,
and then everybody thought, Okay, we're going to have some
kind of answers. But then this was me. People can
confirm it that this is not money Murton quarterbacking. I
read the indictment of Jeffrey Epstein, and I said, why
was he only charged with getting massages and his New
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York apartment? And then I go, oh, that way all
of the other properties can be cleaned up by the
intelligence agencies and all the evidence can be taken and destroyed.
I said, I said that immediately. People can go back
and read my tweets about it immediately. So then what
happened was that the other properties were cleaned out. Then
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three weeks later the properties are searched by the FBI.
After everything has been picked out. So there's the Epstein Falls.
Whoever was there before the FBI got there, has the
Epstein Falls. This all happened, you know, eighteen nineteen.
Speaker 1 (14:43):
Mike, What do we believe about the man? I mean,
a lot of people, people who'd spend you know, a
lot of time online, maybe reading some weird sources. A
lot of people believe that he's running in international sex
trafficking ring, which obviously he may have been. Others believe
that he was some sort of a CIA asset, a
(15:04):
wealthy guy who had wealthy powerful men, and similar to
you know, P Diddy hires prostitutes to come in when
rich powerful men come to his home and some of
them are under age. What do you believe? You're the
one who knows more than I do.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Yeah, My beliefs is that he was flying women from
around the world, that they weren't checking IDs necessarily, it
was a party place. And by the way, before somebody
tries to clip that, I'm not saying that's defensible, but
I don't think it was necessarily what other people think.
And then he was of course blackmailing people. Everyone who
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had any kind of encounter with them saw the camera
hidden cameras everywhere, my bookcase behind me. You know they
know what they are, Jesse books in a bookcase, there's
no people, there's no like if you start moving books around,
you're not going to see a microphone into people and everything.
So obviously Epstein was blackmailing people and or at least
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keeping things as an insurance policy. And because every man
knows what right, every man knows what if you're in
the If you're in the game, no money, no sex.
Which so for those of people who want to get
famous for the wrong reasons, let me just tell you
that that's how you're gonna be taken down. So people
who don't follow those rules end up compromised by others.
(16:28):
And Epstein obviously had compromised a number of very powerful people.
But the whole intelligence angle, here's here's what I never
got right. Let's say, for example, because Bill Gates and
Epstein have been connected, so we're not pulling names out
of thin air, what what is the macade? You know
(16:49):
we're gonna need Bill Gates blackmailed for right? That's that
to me, that was always the missing link. I know
that the Kloak and Dagger movie angle is so much
more appealing than Epstein sort of kept people under his
film for his own enrichment.
Speaker 4 (17:04):
And but I.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Don't see what what is Epstein going to be able
to do that the CIA or Masad or other groups
couldn't do on their own. And Bill Gates would play
ball anyway. That's that's what I don't get is why
you know the regime doesn't need to blackmail Bill Gates? Right,
the regime doesn't need They would need to blackmail you.
They would need to blackmail me. Right, You don't blackmail
(17:27):
people who read Hoffin? What are you gonna blackmail Read Hoffman?
With read Hoffin's gonna do whatever regime tells him to do, right,
whatever message the regime comes up with an Aspen and
Builderberg and all these other events, he's gonna do. So
for me, that was always the big Well, it's a
great story, it's a great plot line for a movie.
But the people close to Epstein were not right wing people. Right,
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it wasn't oh, this great conservative guy like, it wasn't
Talker Carlson, taker Carlson. You would want to try to
use leverage on right because Tucker's not gonna play ball.
You're not going to play ball other people aren't going
to play ball. But Reid Hoffman and Bill Gates, who
you know, I think are scummy people. That's a separate question.
They're blackmail with what make them do what?
Speaker 1 (18:12):
They're going to do it anyway, Yeah, those powerful people. Mike,
Before I let you go, I do have to ask you.
I talked a little bit in the open, very briefly
about about Trump sending in the troops, potentially sending in
the troops to other places like Chicago. Not at all
against it. I need to clarify that for the tenth
time on this show. But I am more concerned because
(18:34):
we don't control Chicago the we control DC. We don't
control it like LA like we control DC. This is
a hostile political environment and I could see it not
going well. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (18:47):
People have always been worried about the left orchestrating at
Kent State event, because most people of this day don't
know that the Kent State event, as we were taught,
was actually false. Kent State. They were Antifa, they were Marxists,
they were throwing bricks and trying to kill the National
Guard people, and then things popped off a little bit.
So a lot of people are justifiably concerned that the
left could orchestrate a Kent State style event. But the
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difference is that we look what they tried to do
a Written House. Even though it was a travesty, the
Written House was ever indeted, or Daniel Penny was ever
indeted because the elon God bless them. I know people
have their concerns with them and everything else, but they
can't they can't gaslight people the way they do. So
if they do a can't state kind of event, like
you know, Writtenhouse would have been dead without the Daily
(19:33):
Caller people and without even censorship era Twitter, this is
a object to fact. Daniel Penny's same thing. So it's
much more difficult for the left to orchestrate these kind
of things where oh look, I'm take, for example, that
woman who is running at the cop and got shot
debunked immediately right. It was debunked so fast that I
(19:54):
was two days behind it. I go, oh wow, I
didn't even see this one because with free speech on X,
immediately like, oh, that's the bunk. There was that one
where the woman claimed, oh I was cooking spaghetti and
the cop shot her, and then you see that she's
about to throw a boiling water at the cop right,
and you're like, Okay, that one is the bunk. So
I'm not as worried about the Kent States found narrative
(20:17):
forming because we do have truth on her side, and
we do have for now freedom of speech.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Mike, my brother. As always, I appreciate you come back.
RFK had a spicy hearing. We'll talk to Jennifer Gallardi
about it in a moment. Let me talk to you
about remembering to put your money where your morals are.
You know, there was a period of time, i'd say
two three years ago where it seemed like everybody had
(20:46):
gone mad, and every corporation most definitely, especially in the
wake of the George Floyd stuff. And then when you
told people to put their money where their morals are,
then it was an easier thing. But now that it
feels like we're kind of maybe getting a hold of
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Speaker 7 (21:47):
Change has its enemies. That's why we need new blood
at CDC. That's also why it's imperative then we remove
officials with conflicts of interest and catastrophically bad judgment and
political agendas. We need unbiased politics, free, transparent, evident based
science in the public interest. Those are the guiding principles
(22:11):
behind the changes at the CDC, and that is what
you can expect all across our agency for the next
three years. We are the sickest country in the world.
That's why we have to fire people at CDC. They
did not do their job. This was their job to
keep us healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Thank you.
Speaker 7 (22:30):
I need to fire some of those people to make
sure this doesn't happen again.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Spicy today, I enjoyed it. I bet Jennifer Gallardi was
absolutely doing backflips. If she can do backflips, it's probably
dangerous joining me now. Jennifer Gallardi's senior policy analysts at
the Heritage Foundation. Jennifer, can you do a backflip?
Speaker 8 (22:50):
I can't, but I can do cartwheels, and I was
doing some of those in the office today. At least
I was jumping up and down. You know, everybody can
do that and probably should given the state of OBCD
rates in the country. Just do a couple jumping jacks,
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Yeah, jumping jacks actually are a great exercise. Now back
to the hearing today, how'd it go?
Speaker 8 (23:09):
I mean, he obviously got grilled, But what do you
expect from members in Congress that are so entrenched in
orthodoxy in the medical establishment and pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
He's exactly right.
Speaker 8 (23:21):
We're seeing the pushback we expected to see when we
drained the swamp. Trump promised it in twenty sixteen. He
wasn't able to accomplish it because of, you know, the
forces working against them.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
He wisened up.
Speaker 8 (23:33):
He put people in place that would shake up everything
that were that were kind of anti establishment. We're seeing
this in the State Department, we're seeing it in the
Defense Department, and we're seeing it here. And it's exactly
what the people voted for. The Only people that are
going kicking and screaming are mostly the people that get
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funds from big pharma, big ag so I think this
is what we can expect. They didn't get them a
chance to even breathe. I think it was disgraceful and disrespectful,
but that's my opinion.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Yeah. Speaking of which, here's Ron Wyden and Michael Bennett
with some grilling.
Speaker 9 (24:11):
I hope that you will tell the American people how
many preventable child deaths are an acceptable sacrifice for enacting
an agenda that I think is fundamentally cruel and defives
common sense.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Thank you to German.
Speaker 7 (24:26):
I do I got a reply, sanity. You've said in
that chair for how long? I'm twenty twenty five years
while the chronic disease and our children went up to
seventy six percent and you said nothing?
Speaker 1 (24:41):
Saturday?
Speaker 6 (24:43):
Are you saying that.
Speaker 7 (24:45):
Has never been as I was myer cardis or paracardis.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
I am saying, I am simple.
Speaker 10 (24:51):
You're trying to tell I am simply trying to say
that the people that you have put on that panel
after firing the entire evading the question. You No, I'm
asking the questions.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Here're evading that question.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
I'm asking the questions they're going to have to go
off label.
Speaker 6 (25:09):
This is crazy too, You're just to prescribe the vaccine
for children.
Speaker 7 (25:14):
I'm not making things.
Speaker 11 (25:15):
I don't.
Speaker 7 (25:15):
You're so wrong on fact.
Speaker 6 (25:16):
You're you're interrupting me, and sir, you're a charlatan.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
You're making it up interesting.
Speaker 1 (25:21):
Yeah, you are.
Speaker 7 (25:23):
You are getting dishonest.
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Right, you want to talk about mental health and guns
you're being in this country.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
If you want to talk.
Speaker 8 (25:28):
About mental health and gun violence in this country, we
should be talking about that, because that's what the talking school.
Speaker 7 (25:34):
You don't want to talk on a harangue. And you
want to be politically, you want to have partisan politics.
Speaker 8 (25:40):
That was your promise.
Speaker 7 (25:41):
I know I can't. I never promised that I was
going to recommend products with which there.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Is not really occasion.
Speaker 7 (25:47):
Wait, you said, and I know you've taken eight hundred
and fifty five thousand dollars from pharmaceutical company.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Senator, It's hard not to notice on the entertainment value,
how many big pharma talking points do come out of
these hearings. Just how bought is the United States Senate?
Speaker 8 (26:09):
It seems to be greatly bought. I think there's two things.
I think there's money involved, You're always going to get people,
like I said, kicking and screaming when they were being
paid a lot. But also, if I'm being generous, some
of these people, this is their orthodoxy, this is their religion. Otherwise,
why aren't they willing and open to hear alternative I
(26:30):
don't want to say alternative facts, but dissenting data on
a product that didn't work, particularly on the COVID vaccines.
What I can't seem to get my head around is
why they are so entrenched on keeping these available for
children when you know, at the best they did nothing,
(26:50):
They were ineffectual. At the worst, they harmed young adults
with myocarditis like he was trying to get out there periocarditis.
There's evidence of that. Are they what are they hanging on?
I think part of it is an identity crisis. They
place their identity in some sort of boogie savior, right,
some sort of Christ that they believe is going to
(27:11):
save the world, like a vaccine.
Speaker 4 (27:13):
Otherwise, I don't understand.
Speaker 8 (27:15):
It challenges the core of who they are and everything
they've believed up until this point. Vaccine saved the world,
you know, despite the fact that a lot of the
kind of the health and the healing from a lot
of these diseases has come from sanitation measures, cleaning up
kind of sewage and medical practices.
Speaker 4 (27:32):
Right, not necessary. We don't know that vaccines.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
A lot of them have been given after the fact,
when disease rates were already starting to come down. Was
it the vaccine or was it just natural immunity. There's
a lot of questions around these and why they are
holding on so tightly, I think is when you and
we've discussed this about the ideology, when when something becomes
your identity and something, there's a crack in that, right
(27:58):
you believe in something for so long, there's a crack,
You start to go, well, what else have I been
lied to about? What else do I believe That's false?
I think we're seeing some of that, but obviously the
money is a good source of their resistance as well.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
What do we what do we know now about all
these childhood vaccines. It's a topic of endless debate back
and forth. Some people will say it kills kids, it
causes autism, it saves kids. If you want to cause
an online debate, just say anything on either side of
the childhood vaccine thing and get ready for the barking
(28:32):
hyenas to start snarling. What do we know?
Speaker 8 (28:36):
We don't know enough, and that's the point. We want
better research. We want to understand. No, there have been
no truly double blind, placebo controlled trials on vaccines. That's
exactly what Kennedy is calling for. That's what the CDC
and kind of the new guard at the CDC is
calling for. We don't know enough. We don't know enough
(28:57):
about what's causing autism. We want to have funding for
good research and to say that the science is settled.
Kind of going back to his confirmation hearing the science
is never settled.
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Why can't we question.
Speaker 8 (29:11):
Something is going wrong? And why are we insisting on
following the people that were heads of the agency when
the thing started to go wrong? Like Kennedy makes some
really good points, it's almost laughable. Like you said, it's
good entertainment because aside it from being very sad, it
is kind of good comedy because I think these these
(29:32):
senators are making fools of themselves.
Speaker 4 (29:34):
There's something.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
They're so adamant that something's up.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
Jennifer, why is the Heritage Foundation pushing for a new
Manhattan project? Who are we going to new.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Yes, we're not nuking anyone. Leave it to the liberal
media to scandalize something that is really common sense that
everybody knows is that the nuclear family is the foundation
for a great America and even a healthier America. And
you know, shocker, Heritage Foundation supports family policy. We're doing
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what we've always done. We're just kind of putting more
focus on it. We're excited to release exactly what we've
been working on, and the Washington Post thank you, like
our domestic policy had Roger Severino mentioned in the article,
thanks for bringing attention to it, and we're excited to
roll out what we actually recommend. You know, there are studies,
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as we know, children do best with a mother and
a father and a nuclear family. I kind of lived
the liberal ideologies we've talked about ad nauseum, and even
as someone who's not married without kids, I understand the
benefits of it for a rightly ordered society, for a
civil society, and that's really what we're about.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
Jennifer It sentenced me. I saw a recent charge you've
talked about. I'm sure you've seen it that shows you know,
we talk about birth rates, but right wingers are reproducing
in fact, they're reproducing above replacement level. They are getting
married and they're making babies, and they're moving on and
being happy. But left wingers simply are not. That's what
That's what all the following birth rates are about. And
(31:17):
I know we're supposed to celebrate that because the kooky
commies aren't aren't reproducing, But I find that to be
so incredibly sad that half of our society is just
kind of checked.
Speaker 4 (31:27):
Out of it, right, And I feel the same way. Yeah,
I always say I'm not.
Speaker 8 (31:33):
I think we need to be very careful between identifying
as a libertarian or conservative conservative. Part of a conservative
platform is caring what happens to us as a country
as community, as our fellow citizens.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
What does it mean to be a citizen. It means to.
Speaker 8 (31:50):
Work together in this kind of political environment, in this
cultural environment, to have the greatest benefit for the most
amount of people. That's what politics aims to do. And
you're right, it does make us sad at heritage when
we see women who kind of condemn marriage, saying the
very thing that they were born to do is kind
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of a scourge on their life and doesn't bring them
joy or restricts their freedom it's kind of sad. I mean,
me being older and not being able to have children.
I look at babies and I get a little bit
of regret. I don't have much in my life. God
took me down the path he was meant to. But
you know, I get a little sad that I don't
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have children, and I try to channel that instead of
being angry at people or lashing out. I try to
channel that in other ways. I play with my kids,
my friend's children's and my boyfriend's kids. I get active
and watching them participates in sports. So you know, you
don't have to go down that path to acknowledge that
(32:53):
it's helpful for society, that it's good for children. I
think we need to start, just like Kennedy is saying
with America, make America healthy again. We need to start
thinking about the children and what we're leaving behind for
them and the kind of life they're going to inherit.
Speaker 1 (33:09):
Yeah, plus you can do other things women are meant
to do. Let cook and clean. Jennifer, thank you so much.
I appreciate it. Come back soon. We'll be back sure
well by now, unless you're a complete moron or living
(33:31):
under a rock somewhere you figured out that Gavin Newsom
wants to be president of the United States, and he's
quite obviously running already to be president of the United States.
But Gavin Newsom has a problem. He's governor of California.
Beautiful and wonderful as California is, it's viewed as a
complete commie, left wing kookie state full of nutballs, and
(33:51):
that's going to be a hard sell in swing states.
And Gavin Newsom is no moron, he knows this. So
what's the game. Well, he's having sharp people on the
right on to I guess spar with a little maybe
joining me. Now. One of those people Sean Spicer, who
you know, host of the wonderful Sean Spicer's show. Sean,
you went and sat down with the old governor. How
(34:14):
was that?
Speaker 6 (34:16):
Actually kind of enjoyed it. You know, we had a
really interesting civil discussion.
Speaker 11 (34:21):
I think, look, he's got a big audience, there's no
doubt about it. And I got to make a pretty
I think compelling case about what President Trump's doing and
why his policies are moving to president the country in
the right direction. So if I can open the eyes
up of a bunch of people who don't see that.
Speaker 6 (34:38):
That's great, right.
Speaker 11 (34:39):
You and I both have shows on the first television
networking on YouTube, and I think when people on the
left have their eyes opened to the reality of what's
going on and the policies that were offering in the
solutions and the results.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
A lot of times I hear people saying I've never
heard that before.
Speaker 11 (34:55):
Huh, So I'm sort of evangelizing the left. I think
anyway getting out there. I'll take any opportunity. I'll go
to any forum.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
My view is we're right.
Speaker 11 (35:05):
You know that phrase, and I like we should be
willing to take our message pretty much anywhere.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
Sean, what was your measure of the guy? Obviously I've
never met him personally. Many people who have have opinions
all over the place. I am concerned concerned that he's
going to make or run at it. He's a prolific fundraiser,
has access to a whole bunch of money. Governor of
the richest, most powerful state in the Union. I think
(35:36):
he's going to make a very serious run at it.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Do you one hundred percent? One hundred percent?
Speaker 11 (35:42):
He is like, Look, I talked to him off camera
about this because I do a morning show on my
YouTube channel called The Morning Meeting, and Mark Halper and
I have a little bit of bet going. I believe
there's no question he's running for a million reasons. Mark
is less certain. And so I said to him off camera,
I meant to say it on the show, but we
ran a Thomas said, you know, we got a little
bet going, and he said, you know, I don't feel
(36:03):
like I'm betraying anything, but he said, look, I am,
I'm thinking about it. I don't think there's any question
about that. But you know, the guy's got a family.
And one of the things that you realize in these
conversations Jesse, is you know there are things that do
bind us together. We both have young kids. We had
an opportunity to talk off camera about the challenges that
kids face on social media, and so there are some
things on a personal level that you can have a
(36:24):
discussion with somebody about that that aren't necessarily political in nature,
that you might share some common issues with.
Speaker 6 (36:30):
And in this case, I think we both had a very.
Speaker 11 (36:34):
Off camera discussion about the challenges that young kids face
today and with respect to social media. And so I
say that because I think he's running for a million reasons.
One of which if you and I said to him,
you know, when I looked at the media that you
got when he went to South Carolina, any political aid
would say that it was really well executed. And then
(36:56):
a couple of days later, Governor Brashiera Kentucky went and
it was abysmal.
Speaker 6 (37:01):
So if you're Governor Newsome.
Speaker 11 (37:03):
And you go do a trip like this and you realize, Wow,
whatever I'm doing is resonating with my left wing base.
But when my fellow governors go they get panned, you
gotta think. I mean, you can't be in office as
long as Gavin Newsom has without a pretty healthy ego.
I don't think that anyone would ever doubt that he
probably would agree with that. And I think that when
(37:24):
you realize how weak this field is, and let's be honest,
I mean, we're grading on a curve here, you've got
to say to yourself, I gotta do it.
Speaker 6 (37:32):
I gotta do it for the good of my party.
So there's no question in my mind he is running.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
And part of the.
Speaker 11 (37:36):
Reason that I think he's doing this podcast is so
that he can say that he's having meetings and discussions
with people.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
Sean, how does he hold up when he stands on
that debate stage with AOC on one side of him
and Jasmine Crockett on the other side of him, and
they're coming out for full blown communism. There, I need
reparations every kooky idea because they try to sell books
and make a name for themselves getting to the left
of him, and he can't take that position and then
(38:08):
have a hope or a prayer of winning Pennsylvania, wisconsinin
or Michigan. How do you navigate that minefield?
Speaker 11 (38:16):
Well, look, as I said a moment ago, the guy's
been in office for like sixty years. He was mayor
of San Francisco, lieutenant governor, governor, so he's been adept
at dealing with this. And obviously, if you can get
elected statewide in California for as long as he has,
you clearly don't have to handle a very liberal base.
So I would actually argue that he probably is better
(38:38):
at this than almost anybody, which is sort of how
do you say something appealing to your base without really
getting into deep to it.
Speaker 6 (38:46):
That's where I think, And look, this is not his
first rodeo.
Speaker 11 (38:49):
I would you know, juxtapose that to AOC and Crockett
in particular, can throw out a bunch of words, but
they're an inch deep at best.
Speaker 6 (38:57):
I think that's probably being generous.
Speaker 11 (38:59):
So one thing about Newsom is that he has been
on the big the big stage. He has taken some
serious at bats, which unlike that. I mean, those guys,
they are Their idea of a tough interview is Rachel Maddow.
So I will say this the governor, and I think
part of the reason that he's having these discussions he
had one with me, he had one with Charlie Kirk,
he had one with Steve Bannon, is that it's kind
of like it's it's spring training for him. He's like, Okay,
(39:20):
how do I take on you know, conservatives, maga types,
uh and engage with them? Look at I mean, look, look,
you could watch the conversation that we had and you'll
see we never raise our voice and never got mad.
I think I made some pretty strong points and pushed
back on on on his liberal positions.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
But I think he's he's he knows what he's doing.
Speaker 11 (39:41):
The guy's a shrewd politician, right and and I think
he is he is trying to get ready for this race.
And that's where I think the funny part is the
guys on the left, the Jasmine Crocketts, the AOC's, et cetera.
They're they're talking to themselves and that's great for a primary.
But but Javin Newsom's he's already thinking ahead. And as
I said earlier, Jesse, you look at this field. It
(40:02):
is so pathetic. I literally I think to myself, if
I were a Democratic governor right now, why wouldn't you
get into this race?
Speaker 6 (40:09):
It is so pathetically weak.
Speaker 1 (40:14):
Is there a concern, Sean that you're helping him get ready?
You mentioned it's spring training, Well, you're the opposition team
helping him get ready for the season. Is there a
concern with that? Yeah?
Speaker 11 (40:26):
I got a bunch of pushback and said, you're platforming
this guy. You've got two hundred thousand people. Look at
the end of the day, if you're watching Gavin Newsom,
I would argue the opposite. I'm out there evangelizing these
folks who have gotten spoon fed left wing talking points
and told that Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (40:40):
Is horrible and bad.
Speaker 11 (40:41):
And I got on the Gavin Newsom's I got platformed
by him to tell his audience why what Donald Trump
is doing and what the MAGA movement is doing, is
moving this country.
Speaker 6 (40:50):
In a better, safer, more prosperous way.
Speaker 11 (40:52):
So you know, look, if we want to talk to ourselves,
then great. But at the end of the day, what
Donald Trump did in the last life, he went places,
He did things that no other politician would do, and
he was rewarded with the popular vote in winning every
battleground state. It wasn't because he sat in a hole
and just talked to you know, went on war room
with Steve Bannon or I'm right with Jesse Kelly or
(41:14):
even Sean Spicer.
Speaker 6 (41:16):
This guy went everywhere and he put a message and
he was rewarded with not just the votes.
Speaker 11 (41:20):
We think about the number of young men, black men
and women black men, and you know, Hispanics. He was
rewarded because he went places and he took that message
of America first and a results oriented record. And so
that's what I think. We've got to do that kind
of stuff. Now we do it without fear of favor.
If you watched that interview with.
Speaker 6 (41:41):
Gavin eastim I pushed back. I didn't.
Speaker 1 (41:43):
I didn't.
Speaker 11 (41:43):
I'm not there to play like suck up to the host,
which is what a lot of Republicans do on Sunday shows.
Speaker 6 (41:49):
Oh, Kristen, Margaret, thanks for having me on. I'm so excited.
Speaker 11 (41:53):
You know what I mean today that I'm My view
is we should be unapologetic in our support for the
America First agenda and the results that we're getting, order, security, crime,
Donald Trump's doing in DC, tax cuts, tariffs. I mean, look,
I'm out there and I said at the beginning of
the of my appearance with him that I'm very proud
(42:14):
of what Donald Trump is doing. I'm very proud to
be a fiscal and social conservative. So as long as
we lead with pride in our positions, I think we
should go everywhere and do everything. The difference is that,
as I said, too many Republicans go on these shows
and just you're right, Oh, that's an area of agreement.
Speaker 6 (42:32):
Thanks so much. Through that, let's take let's be.
Speaker 11 (42:36):
Proud of what we're fighting for and spread and evangelize
the brand.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Sean you mentioned, well, you've said you think JD. Vance
is going to be the next president, which of course
begs the question. I know we're getting way ahead of ourselves,
but that's fun, isn't it. Who's the VP? Are Rubio?
Is it to say it this is it some dark
horse we don't see.
Speaker 6 (43:00):
Look, it's very possible.
Speaker 11 (43:01):
The one thing that's interesting, like I had a conversation
with a guy named Nate Morris the other day. He's
running for the Senate in Kentucky. Good friend of JD's,
He's gotten to know him. My point in saying that,
Jesse is that JD is going to cultivate a whole
other group of folks into the America First Agenda. Now,
on his face, I think Marco Rubio would be fantastic.
He is shown to be an unbelievable warrior in the
(43:23):
America First Agenda Secretary of State. But my former colleague
Sarah Huckeby Sanders has been really digging into the MAHA
movement in Arkansas, making Arkansas a better state, a healthier state.
Speaker 6 (43:35):
So she'd be another great pick. Look, the one difference.
Speaker 11 (43:38):
Between our side and theirs is that you and I
could probably spend two hours going back and forth creating
a list, and that would be the short list of
people who would make a great vice president. I can't
even tell you who'd make a great president on the left.
And I'm being trying to be objective, and that's the
difference between our side and theirs. We're full of ideas.
You think about Trump's cabinet. I've said this every time
when Trump has a cabinet meeting, I get excited. It's
(44:00):
like a report card to the American people. Every one
of them goes around the room and has to say,
here's what I've done in the last thirty days.
Speaker 6 (44:06):
And every one of them, I go, you know what,
that person.
Speaker 1 (44:08):
Could be a vice president.
Speaker 11 (44:09):
They many of them could be president. So our side
on the right is not lacking in depth. Their side
is really pathetic.
Speaker 1 (44:19):
What about Glenn Youngkin, Sean, It's hard to ignore the
man who won the governorship in a state that was
thought to be very blue, has done quite well in
that state, yet you never hear his name.
Speaker 6 (44:31):
Yeah, I live in that state.
Speaker 11 (44:33):
I mean, look, I think Governor Younkin's done a lot
of good in Virginia.
Speaker 6 (44:37):
I'm, you know, considering.
Speaker 1 (44:39):
Where we were.
Speaker 11 (44:40):
But a couple of things politically, and I don't mean
this in a disparaging way, Jesse, but Youngkin mccauliffe lost
that race more than Younkin won it. And when we
look at what we've got, we've lost the House, We've
lost the Senate under his tenure. So I would just
argue that, look, I he's been a great governor, So
(45:02):
I'm not I'm trying to be disparaging. But at the
end of the day, what are you campaigning on? What
have you done in the Comwealth of Virginia.
Speaker 6 (45:07):
We lost both houses of.
Speaker 11 (45:11):
You know, the state legislature here in Virginia, So I'm
really not sure what you campaign on.
Speaker 6 (45:17):
What is it that you What is it that he did.
Speaker 11 (45:19):
He didn't cut taxes, he didn't There's no there's nothing
that he can turn to and say, I got this
done and I'm campaigning on it. So I think you know, look,
he did a great job getting Virginia back on track
considering where it was headed. Terry mcauff would have been
an absolute disaster as governor again. But at the end
of the day, as somebody listened in the Commonwealth of Virginia,
(45:40):
I'm not entirely sure what the case that he would
make would be.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Sean, thank you as always, my brother, come back to
light the mood. That's be very grateful you still live
in the United States of America. As we lighten the
mood here because we still have some semblance of freedom
(46:08):
in this country. And if the government turns to evil,
we have lots of guns to do something about it.
They don't have that luxury over there in the UK.
And we're watching in real time as that government gets
more and more evil, the people get more and more angry,
and who knows where this is going to go. British
comedy writer Graham Linehan, he put up a tweet, just
(46:29):
put up a tweet saying, you know, it's essentially men
can't become women kind of a thing. You know, get
the training nonsense out of here, It's all he said.
Well he gets arrested, surrounded by cops and arrested the
second he gets to the UK. This is the kind
of courage. This is how you push back against tyrants.
This is how he showed up to court. Do you
(46:56):
have a few words I had him put in here.
Speaker 12 (46:57):
And guys, oh well, I'm never gonna saying that's wonderful.
Speaker 1 (47:10):
I'll see it the more.
Speaker 7 (47:13):
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