October 3, 2025 • 43 mins
In the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic, this episode dives into the cracks exposed in America's public health system. Jesse Kelly uncovers the cascading failures that left the nation vulnerable. Experts dissect the lessons learned and discuss bold reforms. As communities rebuild, the episode asks: Can America forge a resilient public health future, or are we doomed to repeat the past?
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
We've talked many times before about about the importance of institutions,
in the importance of institutional trust, let's recap before we
get to the actual public health health care reckoning we
need in our country, your society. All societies, this is
not unique to America, are built on the institutions of
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that society. The institutions build and train generations of people.
The institutions safeguard society against abuse that may come from anywhere,
from inside that society or outside society. One a great
example of this how it should work in a country, if,
for instance, the federal government tries to cover up felonies
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committed by the president's son so Democrats can win an election.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's bad. Okay, I got that. But every country has.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Bad evil people. Every country's going to have bad evil leaders.
It shouldn't become immortal wound. You know why it shouldn't
because the media, for instance, should step up and investigate
and expose it and smash that kind of evil in malfeasance.
If you had a media institution, that's the kind of
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thing they would do. Good example, right, abortion is a
great one. I'm super pro life, but abortion's awful, isn't it.
Over sixty million killed. Absolutely awful. Now, how is it
that abortion has been able to go on for decades
in this country and still goes on today without him?
(01:38):
How is it because we should have an institution, a
religious institution that steps up universally every denomination and boldly
cracks down on it, says no, this is evil, this
is wrong. But we don't have that. Oh, some will,
many won't, many will say it's okay. Many will come out.
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I mean the Pope recinc ame out and said, well,
I mean, if you do the death penalty, then you're
not pro life either. Ridiculous institutions and your medical institutions
are a critical part of a society.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You have to have them, and the people have to
trust them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You have to have some sort of a place people
can go where they can rely on the medical advice
given to them. And this applies to societies large and small,
whether you're a big, prosperous country like ours or even
a tiny Indian tribe in the Americas in the year
of seventeen hundred. You need a medicine man. You need
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a tent where you can go to where there's a
grizzled old man who will tell you to mix this
root with this kind of mud and rub it in
your eyes and leave it there until you're blind, and
that'll get your.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Cold away reliable. I don't know, but the people have to.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Believe it is otherwise things go crazy. Now our medical
institutions have violated our trust over and over and over
again in this country, and so much of this. If
you're real young, maybe you think it was always like this.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It was not. For most of my life. You trusted
your doctor.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But if you had to go to the er or
the hospital for something God forbid, you trusted the nurses.
You trusted the healthcare institutions. How did they get like
they are now? But like so many things, it comes
back to this man.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
First, no matter what you've heard, if you like your
doctor or healthcare plan, you can keep it. If you
don't have insurance, you'll finally be able to afford insurance
and everyone will have the security and stability that's missing today.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, Obamacare.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You want to know why, in large part, you don't
trust your doctor anymore? By your nurses a demon. Now
we'll get to that part in a moment. You want
to know why you go to the doctor's office, Well,
you know what. Pause, Let me explain what it used
to be like. This is for anyone who's younger. If
you went to the doctor's office. Let's say your back hurts,
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you wanted to go to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You would sit down in the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Your nurse would come in and should check your vitals
just like today, blood pressure, all that. And then the doctor,
your doctor who knows you, he would come in and
he would sit down with you, and you would sit
and you would talk face to face.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
He'd look you in the eye.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He would even discuss things that didn't involve giving prescriptions
for things. Hey, your back hurts. Have you been working out?
You know you need to go for a walk through
some sit ups, get that core, strengthen your doc and
you would sit down and have a conversation. You know
what you see now when you go in the doctor's office.
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The back of his head the whole time. You know
why you see the back of his head because he's
facing a w from you, typing into a computer, clicking
on this, clicking and what did you say?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
What do you want to know? Why?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Because Obamacare created this thing in medicine where now it's
only money, it's only this checkbox and that checkbox, and
this insurance thing and that pharmaceutical thing. It became completely impersonal.
You you're just dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Oh, you came in.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Your toe is sore. Here's twenty five prescriptions. Come back
and see me next week. We'll get your refill. That's
what it became. And of course it filtered all the
way down into the medical institutions that are now fully
captured by the Communists and training legions of future communists
to look after you and your bed while you're laying
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there sick. I can't wait to be treated like these
students from Columbia.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I promised to self reflect diligently, to confront unconscious prejudices,
and to develop the skills, knowledge, and character necessary right
to and gender an inclusive, equitable field of medicine. Let
us bow our heads and recognition of the gravity of
this show. We swear to faithfully engage with these ideals
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and obligations for the ongoing betterment of medicine and humanity.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And we didn't realize fully where we're at until COVID came.
We thought we still had medical institutions we could trust,
and then we saw things like this.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You really should, in an indoor setting, a congregous setting,
be wearing masks. It's just the appropriate thing to do
to defend, to protect yourself and your family.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Our data from the CDCs today suggests you know that
vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
If we really do our part stay at home social distance,
then we can flatten our curve even low those projections.
But it really depends on all of us.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I'm making the personal sacrifices not to infect my parents
and my pregnant daughter. I worry about that because then
it gives people the option to say, well, bars and
restaurants are open. Then I can have twenty people over
for Thanksgiving, and so I don't like it to be
any number. I like it to keep it to your
immediate household.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Lie after lie after lie.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Remember the closure of your kid's school, Remember the footprints
in the grocery store. Remember the local family owned restaurant
that had been there for forty years that closed its
doors and never opened again. Remember it was all based
on the concept of social distancing.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Here's what I want you and America to know. Those
projections are definitely sobering, but they don't have to be
our reality.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
If we really do our part.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Stay at home social distance, then we can flatten our
curve even below those projections.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Social distancing is absolutely critical, and if you can't social
distance and you're outside, you must wear a mask.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
Other than wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding crowds, and social distancing,
what more on a policy level do we in the
United States need to be doing?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
What we've got to do is make what you just said, Jake,
uniform and not spotty. Everybody's got to do it. There's
no excuse not to do that right now because we
know that can turn things around.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So why did that local mom and pop restaurant close?
Why did your child misgraduation? Why did business after business
go under the idea of social distancing?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So that of course begs the question.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Where did the medical professionals we're supposed to try t
us get that idea.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
The initial recommendation that the CDC brought to the White House,
and I talk about this was ten feet, and a
political appointing in a White House said, we can't recommend
ten feet. Nobody can measure ten feet. It's inoperable society
will shut down. So the compromise was around.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Evil.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We have to get that trust back, especially in our
medical institutions. It's too important. We are going to discuss
that tonight. Tracy Bens joins us in just the moment.
She's one of these health freaks. All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We'll be back.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
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Speaker 6 (10:47):
Don't take Tyler all.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Don't take it. Take it if you're pregnant, don't take
Thailand all. Don't don't do it.
Speaker 6 (10:53):
Don't cake Thilan all.
Speaker 10 (10:55):
Don't take get and don't give tyland All to your child.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Don't take thyland All. Don't take it. Don't have your
baby take Tyler know, just don't get it.
Speaker 7 (11:05):
Don't cake thiland all, don't take get tank.
Speaker 2 (11:09):
Nothing bad can happen.
Speaker 11 (11:10):
It can only could happen.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's so immature. It's the Elon musk part of it
that makes me laugh. All right, quit, we're not here
to joke.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're here to talk to Tracy joining me now, the
editor in chief of Undercovered DC, my friend Tracy Bans
All right, Tracy, A lot was made about the Thailand
all during pregnancy thing, and of course young beatheads like
my sons are calling their friends Thailand all Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now, what is the truth of all this Thailand all stuff?
Speaker 12 (11:39):
Well, they found there was a causal link between the
use of thailand All and autism in children when moms
took it during pregnancy, or as doctors advise you to
do after you shoot your child up with seven hundred
vaccines in their first visit, give them thailand all when
their immune system reacts and they get a fever, and
thailand All can mess with certain pathways that allow the
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body to cleanse itself of heavy metals and toxins. So
the causal link between thailanol and autism is actually likely,
in my humble opinion, more of the impact of thilanol
stopping the body from being able to detoxify itself from
the assault it had just undergone at the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
All right, Tracy, we're gonna go ahead and pause here
for a moment. I need you in your health freak ways,
just like my wife, to explain what you're talking about
when you talk about heavy metals and things like that,
because morons like me or that and we think metallica,
that's not what you're discussing. What are you talking about
heavy metals in your body cleansing?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What is this?
Speaker 12 (12:46):
Let's get Metallica to the super Bowl, That's what I
have to say to that anyway. So when you are
injected with the vaccine, there needs to be something in
the vaccine to agitate the body to react to the
virus or whatever they're injecting you with, right, trying to
make you immune from and they use heavy metals to
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do that. So aluminum, mercury, other metals are in these
childhood vaccines that then go into the body. The body says, ooh,
what's that and reacts to it, thereby building an immune
response to the thing delivered with the metal. Right, So
once that's over, what is your body going to do
with that? It doesn't want it. But the tile and
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all potentially blocks the pathways the body would use to
get rid of those metals after the injection. So does
that help?
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Is that better?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That actually helped a great deal? Now I feel so
much smarter. I'm going to tell all my friends this now. Okay,
let's talk back more about the tailean All thing. Thailand
All has been publicly lampooned for putting this out publicly
years ago that he pregnant women maybe shouldn't take it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So if this is something that has been.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Kind of known for quite some time, why would it
take this long to just come out and say it is.
What was the political motivation or what maybe there was none?
Explain this to me.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
I think it's money. I really do. I really think
it's money. And you know, the craziest thing I ever
saw a teeny bit off topic was during the COVID fiasco.
There was a pregnant woman on TikTok and she was
about eight months along and she was like, I just
went and got my COVID shot, but I'm nervous about
taking tile and all. And I'm sitting here like, okay,
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so you're nervous about taking tile and all and over
the counter medication, but you just got yourself injected with
an experimental vaccine that hasn't really been tested on pregnant
women at all, And that's okay. People are just not
thinking straight, you know, we as women, at least me.
When I was pregnant with my kids, I didn't eat
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you know, cold cuts, because they talked about the danger
of those. I stayed away from cats. But when I
was sick, I took tile and all. You just figure
because it's available over the counter, it's safe, And then
why go around and talk to any about the anybody
about the danger of it. After that, when it's making
so much money. There was a huge push to get
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tile and all available over the counter. And it's actually
not good for you at all. You think you're taking
something safe. It's really very bad for everybody, not just
pregnant women. So you know, just heal yourself naturally, start
taking care of your body, putting good food in it,
and then don't get sick.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
It's very simple, right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Red Lobster. All right, Setting that aside, let's talk a
little big.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Pharma because Trump recently talked to the head of Pheiser.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Here. He was.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm curious, where are the other companies other than Peiser?
Speaker 11 (15:49):
Are you expecting them to And I was.
Speaker 10 (15:52):
Honored to have Albert be the first. He's done a
fantastic job with as you know, with the COVID, he
did a fantastic job with a lot of things. He's
a leader, and Pfizer is right at the top. You know,
it's there. Eli Lilly has been fantastic, also your friend,
my friend, and they're all coming in over the next week.
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We're making deals with all of them.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
Great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Uh, that made me feel lucky.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
I mean, seriously, you know, it's so hard with this
administration because he takes ten steps forward and then takes five, six, seven,
eight back, and you just wonder where he's getting information
from and what he's paying attention to. The bottom line
is this, our country is very, very sick, and a
very large majority of our country is dependent upon pharmaceutical
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medications instead of just being healthy, like I said, and
going to red lobster.
Speaker 13 (16:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (16:47):
I mean, if that's what your bag is, baby, I guess.
But if we were healthy, we wouldn't need the pharmaceutical companies.
So we're in this hamster wheel of millions of sick
Americans dependent on prescription drugs and drug companies like Pfizer
jacking up the cost of those drugs for the people
that need them. So should he make a deal with
(17:09):
Pfizer and say great things about them? No, But we
also have a nation of very, very very ill individuals
who are now dependent upon medicine to live. And so
what RFK is doing is trying to tackle that issue
not necessarily emboldened the pharmaceutical companies, which is what's been
happening for you know, gosh, fifty sixty seventy years now.
(17:31):
I hated it it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Tracy is I know this is kind of a chicken
or the egg question, but I generally find it fascinating
because when you look at how pilled out America is
in the studies, it's eye popping that the wealth is
the most powerful country in the history of the world,
would be pilled out of his mind? What came first,
the unhealth or the pills, because it's very noticeable.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
What probably the unhealth came first? And it really started
amping up with You're gonna love this one, truthfully, when
moms started going to work instead of staying home to
take care of their children where I think that they
should be in my opinion, meals went downhill. Everything needed
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to be convenient. Time was less spent on, you know,
taking care of your kids. Not only that, but the
vaccine started being mandated and then we started getting all
kinds of disease after that, so food quality went down.
Moms were busy outside the house. The whole women's you know,
feminism movement that I wish never happened, happened, and so
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you have moms not paying attention to their kids, feeding
them garbage, which makes them sick. And after a while
we have to play catch up and we're there so
and that that trickled up, right, So from kids eating
McDonald's that used to be cooked a lot better to
them becoming adults and doing the same thing over again.
We've now got about two generations, if not three, that
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are very, very unhealthy. And it's really in my opinion,
and a lot of it was convenience, and a lot
of it was the mandated vaccines for kids. And during school.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I knew it was going to be tied to women
going into the workforce. I knew it, and I blamed
so many of our problems on exactly that. All right, Tracy,
tell me about an inconvenient study?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
What is this?
Speaker 12 (19:19):
So I'm speaking on behalf of myself right now. This
was a This is a film that's about a study
that was done at Henry Ford Health Center where they
compared unvaccinated to vaccinated children and looked at the differences
in health outcomes between the two. And what this study
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that was not published shows is that at least in
this category, this is the one that got me, vaccinated
children were six times more likely to have an autoimmune
disease than on vaccinated children other asthma, ezema, other health
issues three times more likely four times more likely in
the vaccinated cohort. And that study was no published and
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now it was. So this movie is going or is
going to go through and show what that study showed
and the story behind it. And I'm excited to see
it because I think it's something. There have been six
or seven other studies like this done and never getting
any attention, and this one was from a very well
respected health institution at Henry Ford, and so the results
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of that should be made public for for everybody to see.
And you can actually find it on the House I'm sorry,
Senator Ron Johnson's website because he was the one who
brought it forward and they had a hearing on it
a couple weeks ago. It's pretty stunning, and I think
if parents saw this, they would at least have a
little bit more informed consent when making choices about vaccinating
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their children.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, so two things that I want you to clarify.
When you talk about vaccinations of children. We're not talking
about COVID. We're talking about the standard vaxes, right, the
ones that are thought that every parent's told they have
to give David Show. Okay, that's one yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Two. Why wasn't it published?
Speaker 12 (21:03):
I don't know my opinion, probably because it showed that
there was a six times greater chance of your child
having an autoimmune disease if they were vaccinated. Just throwing
it out there. Because health became politicized Jesse instead of health.
Because healthcare became politicized from insurance to illness. Healthcare is
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now politics, and that is absolutely not the way it
should be.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's whine. It's ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It is an inconvenient study. Highly recommend you go see it.
Thank you, Tracy, appreciate it. Doctor Aaron Carrioty is going
to join us next.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
When I was a kid, I used to beg my
parents to let me have chips, and if they would
just give me a bag, which they would never do,
I would lay wasted like an entire bag of Dorito's
or something like that. So I have a real chip problem.
I have to be regulated with my chips. But I'm
forty four now and I've come to realize these chips
are freaking terrible for you.
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Speaker 14 (22:53):
People in America, I'm not settled with the information that's
been given to us right now. So I'm not gonna
to be lining up taking a shot or an a
vaccination for something that wasn't clear in the first place,
and then you all create a shot in miraculous time.
It takes years to create vaccination.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Well it used to take years, Okay, you know how
you know how many years were invested in this in
this approach, About twenty years of science to get us to.
Speaker 14 (23:24):
Be wanting to do not enough, And nine months is
definitely not enough for nobody to be taking no vaccination
that you all came up with.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
How many people have died from COVID nineteen in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Six hundred thousand Americans.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
Well, well, well the number that you all given that
died that once again that you all.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Know do do so miss the patriots who stood up
during that time of insanity in this country. One of
those patriots joins me now and wrote a book that
is near and dear to my heart, because it's really
what I want for this country, Doctor Aaron Carriarty, author
of Making the Cut, How to Heal Modern Medicine. Doctor,
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I would very much like the trust in our medical
institutions to return in this country. Well, I can't treat myself.
I'm not a doctor. I don't know anything about this stuff.
I'm not a nurse. I need medical institutions I can
trust now when I walk in my doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Scoring I'm just scornful about everything. I don't trust a
single thing.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
And you're not alone in that, sadly, And I cite
some statistics early in the book showing how trust and
physicians has really tanked. Obviously took a big hit during COVID,
but even prior to COVID, it was being eroded by
various factors in medicine that I get into in Making
the Cut. That clip that you just showed is so
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brilliant because here you have an ordinary man, not trained
in medicine, but exercising his logic and exercising his common
sense and saying things that are far more sensible and
far more reasonable than the supposed exp who was leading
our pandemic response and who was actually lying, for example,
about the mRNA vaccines. So when Fauci said, well, this
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technology has been in the works for twenty years, what
he failed to mention was twenty years of work on
mRNA technology had essentially failed to produce safe and effective treatments.
So they had been working on mRNA vaccines for twenty years,
but they had never gotten past the animal testing phase
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because they kept running into problems with the technology. And
then nine months of operation warp speed, and everyone is
supposed to accept that suddenly, when it became something that
was going to be very lucrative and appeared to be
very effective at addressing the COVID problem, we were supposed
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to believe that a technology that had failed to advance
for twenty years was now ready for prime time. And
anyone who raised their hands like the man in the
video and asked an entirely sensible questions about it. We're
just told to shut up. You don't know what you're
talking about. You're not a virologist, you're not an epidemiologist.
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This kind of condescension. And what I like to tell
people is, yeah, you might not be a virologist, you
might not be an epidemiologist, but you are a person
with common sense. You're a person with logic and rationality,
and you can know without being a biologist or an
expert in infectious disease that, let's say a policy that says,
when you walk into a restaurant and you're standing at
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the door, you have to wear a mask, but as
soon as you sit down in the restaurant, you can
take your mask off. This is our infection control recommendation.
You don't have to be an expert in how viruses
work to know that. That makes absolutely no sense and
it's ludicrous, and it's theatrical and it's stupid. And so
years of this kind of condescension from the public health
(26:54):
and sadly the medical community as well, has eroded people's
trust in medicine. The other thing that happens is, you know,
you go to the doctor with your chief complaint and
you want to get some help and instead of looking
at you face to face and carefully examining you and
asking questions, in depth questions precisely about the issue that
you came to get help with. You have a doctor
(27:16):
staring at a screen who's become a glorified data entry
clerk for a medical record system that was not designed
for patients but was designed essentially for data gathering and
data analysis. And he's asking you a bunch of questions
about do you wear a helmet when you ride a bike?
And do you wear a seat belt? And are you
a smoker? And so on and so forth, which you
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know may be interesting from time to time to get
a health screening. But really, this person who's staring at
a screen asking you questions that have nothing to do
do with your chief complaint is not increasing your confidence
that you're going to get the help that you need.
So I describe in Making the Cut what I call
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the advent of turnstyle meta that the primary end primary
purpose of medical institutions is no longer first and foremost
about health and healing. It's about efficiency, and hospitals and
many clinics operate on the principle of efficient people moving
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what I call turnstile medicine. Right when you go to Disneyland.
The whole engineering of Disneyland is designed to get as
many people through as many turnstyles and as many rides
and get you fed, gets.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You toileted, and.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
To move the maximum number of people through the system. Right,
and medicine now operates more or less on the same principle,
and so rather than treating you like a unique individual,
they treat you like a sort of widget that's processed
by an industrialized healthcare system that's subjected to top down
managerialist control. Managerialism, which has taken over so many aspects
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of our society, is essentially the ideology that says that
a small group of technocrats, a small group of experts,
knows best. We saw this during COVID, and is therefore
in a position to tell everyone else what to do.
And that flows down from the top of our healthcare
system to the people on the ground. The doctors and
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the nurses who no longer have the appropriate discretionary latitude
to tailor treatments to individual patients. Right, they're reduced to
checking boxes. They're reduced to treating every hip replacement exactly
the same. And in fact, the bundled payment system of
the Affordable Care Act dictates that hospitals treat every hip
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replacement exactly the same. So if your hospital is extended
because you have a surgical complication, the hospital is actually
losing money on you. The hospital begins to resent you
because you're not behaving according to the principle of efficient
people moving. Hospital administrators love of the term throughput. Get
people in, get them processed, and get them out as
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soon as possible, and patients start feeling like manufactured products
rather than human beings with the unique history and unique
problems and unique fears and worries about their illness that
need to be attended to by actual human beings that
care for them. So the central theme of Making the
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Cut is how do we restore the doctor patient relationship,
the relationship between someone who's vulnerable because they're suffering from
illness and someone who professes to use all their knowledge
and skills for the purpose of health and healing, not
for the purpose of data gathering, not for the purpose
of efficient people moving, not for the purpose of a
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needle in every arm so that they can get their
bonus payment. Because eighty five percent of their patient population
has vaccinated, or any any other external thing that's dictating care,
and we need we need to move to a much
more decentralized healthcare system where obviously the healthcare system needs
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some regulation, but things have gone so far in the
direction of over regulation that it constrains the ability of
conscientious doctors and nurses to provide the kind of care
that their patients really need. And patients feel that. I
think many people experience it. Maybe they can't articulate it,
maybe they don't know why, but they just leave the
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clinic experience, they leave the hospital experience feeling like something
very fundamental was missing there and I'm actually not getting
any better.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I'm not healing. We have, as.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
Everyone knows now or should know from the from the
Maha movement, we have this chronic disease epidemic.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's that's undeniable.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
These statistics don't why. We have a very serious problem
with chronic illness in this country, and medicine has not
been very effective at dealing with it. Medicine is still
very good at certain things. If God forbid, Jesse, you
get hit by a truck tomorrow, go to the emergency room,
have the trauma surgeons patch you back together. Medicine is
(32:19):
very good at dealing with acute trauma, at dealing with
acute illness, we're not very effective at dealing with chronic illness,
at helping people maintain healthy lifestyle, at sort of long
term projects of health and healing. And so this book
is my attempt to explain what's going on in the
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house of medicine, how medicine itself got sick, and also
try to offer some realistic and constructive solutions regarding how
we might be able to move forward.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, that's why we need it so much. I'm so
glad you wrote it. Doctor. Thank you so much for
joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I appreciate you. Please come back soon. It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's the body portion of it. Let's talk about the
mental health portion of it. It's undeniable. We have a
mental health disaster.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
In our country. Let's get to the bottom of that next.
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Speaker 13 (34:27):
I certainly consider mass shootings a health crisis, and we
are doing for the first time real studies to find
out what the ideology of that is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And we're looking for.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
The first time as psychiatric drugs. You know, he's kind
of man sitting. People have have had guns in this
country forever. When I was a kid, we had shooting
clubs at our school. People kids, my classmate's other people
would bring a twenty two rifle. Whether the guns is
at school and market in the parking lot. Nobody was shooting, said,
(35:00):
there's never been a time in America in the history
of humanity and people walk into a crowd into a
church or a movie theater, or a school, or crowded
standers that just started randomly shooting. It's happening in our country.
It's not happening around the world. And there are many
other countries that have comparable levels of guns.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
That we have in this country. We had comparable.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Levels in the forties, fifties, and sixties, and people weren't
doing it. Something changed and it dramatically changed human behavior.
And one of the culprits we need to examine is
whether the fact that we are the most over medicated
nation in the world, and at a lot of those
are psychiatric drugs that have black box warnings on them
(35:49):
that warn of suicidal and homicidal ideation. So we are
doing those studies right now for the first time.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
For the first time. That is what an admission.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Joining me now, doctor Joseph went dooring CEO and medical
director of Taper Clinic and host of Side Effects with
doctor Joseph. Doctor okay, so we'll set aside that we're
doing these studies for the first time. What he says
is noticeably true. We've always had guns. Now we have
psychos walking into schools and churches murdering people before they
blow their heads off, and it's unbelievably terrible.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
We need to get to the root of the problem.
What is it?
Speaker 15 (36:31):
So when we look at the you know, what is
causing mass shootings? I think there is you know, surely
there's an element of mass contagion going on. But what
Bobby says about the psychiatric drugs being involved is completely true.
You know, if you listen to the media these days,
they will say that you're a conspiracy theorist if you
even suggest that these drugs can do such a thing.
(36:54):
But it's it's hiding in plain sight. I mean, if
you look at the drug labels he mentioned for SSRIs,
it already says that they can cause aggression and hostility.
It already says that they can make people who are
not suicidal suicidal. If you look at the side effects
for stimulant medications in the warnings and precautions, which is
(37:16):
one of the areas on the drug which has the
most important risk, it already lists hostility in aggression. If
you look at the drug Abilifi, a popular antipsychotic drug
given to people. It already lists homicidal ideation in there.
These side effects are there because doctors and the pharmaceutical
industry have known for a long time that these drugs
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in rare instances. I want to say that these are
not the common effects. These are the paradoxical effects from
the medications that in rare instances, they can make some
people more aggressive. And so you know, it's like, imagine
you have like ten people smoking some cannabis right, nine
people they're sitting around giggling, having a good time, and
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one person is getting paranoid. The same thing happens with
psychiatric medication. Some people, just for reasons that we don't understand,
respond in a negative way and they can become more aggressive.
And there's actually been and the media never talks about this.
There's actually been several cases out there which have gone
to the courts where judges and jurors have found that
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these drugs have been involved in suicides and ohso mass homicide.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Doctor, Do we believe that it has something to do
I know we don't know yet, as you just pointed out,
but does this have something to do with your mental
state going into the use of it or is it genetic?
What is it that has As you said, nine people
can take it and maybe they're a little lethorarogic, and
the last one turns into a demon who murders Catholic
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school kids.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How in the world can the results be so different?
Speaker 15 (38:56):
Yeah, and that you're putting your finger on something that's
really unique. That these drugs can have a spectrum effect.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 15 (39:03):
Let's say, for instance, you already have someone who is
harboring some kind of homicidal thoughts. You put them on
a medication that's disinhibiting, a medication that is blunting their emotions.
And this is what a lot of these medications do,
especially things like SSRIs. They may be more likely to
act on pre existing thoughts. However, what I do want
to say, and this is where it's going to sound
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like kind of almost demonic, These medications can make some
people so psychotic that even people who never had a
hint of violence, they can actually go and do terrible things.
You know, two cases come to mind, and this is
a little bit dark, but I think it's important to
talk about this topic. You know, there was the case
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of Donald Shell in Wyoming in the nineties and now
Donald Shell had been exposed to I think it was prozac.
It's an SSRI medication, and he had a very bad
reaction to it. He actually became more agitated. He went
and saw another doctor who put him on Paxel, which
is actually another SSRI in the same class as prozac. Now,
normally this should never happen. You know, if you have
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a bad reaction to a drug in a class, a
doctor doesn't give you a drug in that same class
later on. But because of poor record keeping and you know,
bad communication, that happened. Now within a week, Don Shechell
killed his wife, his daughter, and his granddaughter and then
he killed himself. This went before a jury and they
(40:32):
found that Smith Klein was eighty percent responsible for what
had happened. This resulted in a million dollar verdict. And
that's just one case. You know, another case was and
this is these are some of the most heartbreaking stories
you'll ever hear. Another very well known case was David Carmichael.
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This was a Canadian man, never had a history of violence,
loving father, all of those things. He actually took a
metation Paxel again I believe, and within a week he
killed his son by accident, he became completely psychotic and delusional.
I think his son had a seizure disorder, and so
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that was it. That was like the nut. His son
had a seizure disorder. But when he took the medication,
he started to believe that his son was going to
die and that the most compassionate thing to do would
be to put him out of his misery. He woke
up in jail several weeks later realizing what he had done,
and now he speaks about this all over the country.
And so, yes, I do think you can have like
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a spectrum issue where someone who might be a little
bit on edge already can get pushed into it. But
I also think in some people who are very unlucky,
it can be entirely the drug and the manic type
psychosis reaction that pushes them into this.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Gosh, that is scary stuff. Doctor.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Thank you so much for giving us a few minutes. Then,
I think I really really appreciate.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Thank you. We're gonna have him back.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
This is fascinating and it's scary, but it's something we
have to talk about because it's everywhere. Maybe you're on them. Okay,
let's talk about it. Let's continue to have these conversations.
All right, I have some final thoughts to those next.
All right, So we do these kinds of specials a lot.
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Whole lot more. All right, all right, we'll do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
We need to have a public reckoning for our medical institutions,
and I should say it is beginning. We do have
good people there, Doctor j doctor Martin McCarey.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
We have good people there.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
But we have to have this reckoning because we have
to have medical institutions we can trust. I can't be
my own doctor. You can't be your own doctor. Even
doctors aren't their own doctor. We need help. We need
institutions like this, and ours have been destroyed and taken
from us. We have to take whatever steps are necessary
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in order to get those institutions back.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I'm not going to let this go, and no other
should you. All Right, we'll do it again.
We've talked many times before about about the importance of institutions,
in the importance of institutional trust, let's recap before we
get to the actual public health health care reckoning we
need in our country, your society. All societies, this is
not unique to America, are built on the institutions of
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that society. The institutions build and train generations of people.
The institutions safeguard society against abuse that may come from anywhere,
from inside that society or outside society. One a great
example of this how it should work in a country, if,
for instance, the federal government tries to cover up felonies
(00:49):
committed by the president's son so Democrats can win an election.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
It's bad. Okay, I got that. But every country has.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Bad evil people. Every country's going to have bad evil leaders.
It shouldn't become immortal wound. You know why it shouldn't
because the media, for instance, should step up and investigate
and expose it and smash that kind of evil in malfeasance.
If you had a media institution, that's the kind of
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thing they would do. Good example, right, abortion is a
great one. I'm super pro life, but abortion's awful, isn't it.
Over sixty million killed. Absolutely awful. Now, how is it
that abortion has been able to go on for decades
in this country and still goes on today without him?
(01:38):
How is it because we should have an institution, a
religious institution that steps up universally every denomination and boldly
cracks down on it, says no, this is evil, this
is wrong. But we don't have that. Oh, some will,
many won't, many will say it's okay. Many will come out.
(02:00):
I mean the Pope recinc ame out and said, well,
I mean, if you do the death penalty, then you're
not pro life either. Ridiculous institutions and your medical institutions
are a critical part of a society.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
You have to have them, and the people have to
trust them.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
You have to have some sort of a place people
can go where they can rely on the medical advice
given to them. And this applies to societies large and small,
whether you're a big, prosperous country like ours or even
a tiny Indian tribe in the Americas in the year
of seventeen hundred. You need a medicine man. You need
(02:39):
a tent where you can go to where there's a
grizzled old man who will tell you to mix this
root with this kind of mud and rub it in
your eyes and leave it there until you're blind, and
that'll get your.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Cold away reliable. I don't know, but the people have to.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Believe it is otherwise things go crazy. Now our medical
institutions have violated our trust over and over and over
again in this country, and so much of this. If
you're real young, maybe you think it was always like this.
Speaker 2 (03:10):
It was not. For most of my life. You trusted
your doctor.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
But if you had to go to the er or
the hospital for something God forbid, you trusted the nurses.
You trusted the healthcare institutions. How did they get like
they are now? But like so many things, it comes
back to this man.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
First, no matter what you've heard, if you like your
doctor or healthcare plan, you can keep it. If you
don't have insurance, you'll finally be able to afford insurance
and everyone will have the security and stability that's missing today.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah, Obamacare.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
You want to know why, in large part, you don't
trust your doctor anymore? By your nurses a demon. Now
we'll get to that part in a moment. You want
to know why you go to the doctor's office, Well,
you know what. Pause, Let me explain what it used
to be like. This is for anyone who's younger. If
you went to the doctor's office. Let's say your back hurts,
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you wanted to go to the doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
You would sit down in the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Your nurse would come in and should check your vitals
just like today, blood pressure, all that. And then the doctor,
your doctor who knows you, he would come in and
he would sit down with you, and you would sit
and you would talk face to face.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
He'd look you in the eye.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
He would even discuss things that didn't involve giving prescriptions
for things. Hey, your back hurts. Have you been working out?
You know you need to go for a walk through
some sit ups, get that core, strengthen your doc and
you would sit down and have a conversation. You know
what you see now when you go in the doctor's office.
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The back of his head the whole time. You know
why you see the back of his head because he's
facing a w from you, typing into a computer, clicking
on this, clicking and what did you say?
Speaker 2 (05:04):
What do you want to know? Why?
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Because Obamacare created this thing in medicine where now it's
only money, it's only this checkbox and that checkbox, and
this insurance thing and that pharmaceutical thing. It became completely impersonal.
You you're just dollars and cents.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Oh, you came in.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Your toe is sore. Here's twenty five prescriptions. Come back
and see me next week. We'll get your refill. That's
what it became. And of course it filtered all the
way down into the medical institutions that are now fully
captured by the Communists and training legions of future communists
to look after you and your bed while you're laying
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there sick. I can't wait to be treated like these
students from Columbia.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
I promised to self reflect diligently, to confront unconscious prejudices,
and to develop the skills, knowledge, and character necessary right
to and gender an inclusive, equitable field of medicine. Let
us bow our heads and recognition of the gravity of
this show. We swear to faithfully engage with these ideals
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and obligations for the ongoing betterment of medicine and humanity.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
That's where we're at.
Speaker 1 (06:22):
And we didn't realize fully where we're at until COVID came.
We thought we still had medical institutions we could trust,
and then we saw things like this.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
You really should, in an indoor setting, a congregous setting,
be wearing masks. It's just the appropriate thing to do
to defend, to protect yourself and your family.
Speaker 6 (06:45):
Our data from the CDCs today suggests you know that
vaccinated people do not carry the virus, don't get sick.
Speaker 7 (06:53):
If we really do our part stay at home social distance,
then we can flatten our curve even low those projections.
But it really depends on all of us.
Speaker 6 (07:04):
I'm making the personal sacrifices not to infect my parents
and my pregnant daughter. I worry about that because then
it gives people the option to say, well, bars and
restaurants are open. Then I can have twenty people over
for Thanksgiving, and so I don't like it to be
any number. I like it to keep it to your
immediate household.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Lie after lie after lie.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Remember the closure of your kid's school, Remember the footprints
in the grocery store. Remember the local family owned restaurant
that had been there for forty years that closed its
doors and never opened again. Remember it was all based
on the concept of social distancing.
Speaker 7 (07:50):
Here's what I want you and America to know. Those
projections are definitely sobering, but they don't have to be
our reality.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
If we really do our part.
Speaker 7 (08:02):
Stay at home social distance, then we can flatten our
curve even below those projections.
Speaker 6 (08:08):
Social distancing is absolutely critical, and if you can't social
distance and you're outside, you must wear a mask.
Speaker 8 (08:15):
Other than wearing masks, washing hands, avoiding crowds, and social distancing,
what more on a policy level do we in the
United States need to be doing?
Speaker 2 (08:28):
Well?
Speaker 5 (08:28):
What we've got to do is make what you just said, Jake,
uniform and not spotty. Everybody's got to do it. There's
no excuse not to do that right now because we
know that can turn things around.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So why did that local mom and pop restaurant close?
Why did your child misgraduation? Why did business after business
go under the idea of social distancing?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
So that of course begs the question.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Where did the medical professionals we're supposed to try t
us get that idea.
Speaker 9 (09:02):
The initial recommendation that the CDC brought to the White House,
and I talk about this was ten feet, and a
political appointing in a White House said, we can't recommend
ten feet. Nobody can measure ten feet. It's inoperable society
will shut down. So the compromise was around.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Evil.
Speaker 1 (09:21):
We have to get that trust back, especially in our
medical institutions. It's too important. We are going to discuss
that tonight. Tracy Bens joins us in just the moment.
She's one of these health freaks. All that may have
made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
We'll be back.
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Speaker 2 (09:57):
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Speaker 2 (10:49):
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Speaker 7 (11:05):
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Speaker 2 (11:09):
Nothing bad can happen.
Speaker 11 (11:10):
It can only could happen.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
It's so immature. It's the Elon musk part of it
that makes me laugh. All right, quit, we're not here
to joke.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We're here to talk to Tracy joining me now, the
editor in chief of Undercovered DC, my friend Tracy Bans
All right, Tracy, A lot was made about the Thailand
all during pregnancy thing, and of course young beatheads like
my sons are calling their friends Thailand all Americans.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
Now, what is the truth of all this Thailand all stuff?
Speaker 12 (11:39):
Well, they found there was a causal link between the
use of thailand All and autism in children when moms
took it during pregnancy, or as doctors advise you to
do after you shoot your child up with seven hundred
vaccines in their first visit, give them thailand all when
their immune system reacts and they get a fever, and
thailand All can mess with certain pathways that allow the
(12:01):
body to cleanse itself of heavy metals and toxins. So
the causal link between thailanol and autism is actually likely,
in my humble opinion, more of the impact of thilanol
stopping the body from being able to detoxify itself from
the assault it had just undergone at the doctor's office.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
All right, Tracy, we're gonna go ahead and pause here
for a moment. I need you in your health freak ways,
just like my wife, to explain what you're talking about
when you talk about heavy metals and things like that,
because morons like me or that and we think metallica,
that's not what you're discussing. What are you talking about
heavy metals in your body cleansing?
Speaker 2 (12:44):
What is this?
Speaker 12 (12:46):
Let's get Metallica to the super Bowl, That's what I
have to say to that anyway. So when you are
injected with the vaccine, there needs to be something in
the vaccine to agitate the body to react to the
virus or whatever they're injecting you with, right, trying to
make you immune from and they use heavy metals to
(13:07):
do that. So aluminum, mercury, other metals are in these
childhood vaccines that then go into the body. The body says, ooh,
what's that and reacts to it, thereby building an immune
response to the thing delivered with the metal. Right, So
once that's over, what is your body going to do
with that? It doesn't want it. But the tile and
(13:28):
all potentially blocks the pathways the body would use to
get rid of those metals after the injection. So does
that help?
Speaker 9 (13:36):
Is that better?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
That actually helped a great deal? Now I feel so
much smarter. I'm going to tell all my friends this now. Okay,
let's talk back more about the tailean All thing. Thailand
All has been publicly lampooned for putting this out publicly
years ago that he pregnant women maybe shouldn't take it.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So if this is something that has been.
Speaker 1 (13:57):
Kind of known for quite some time, why would it
take this long to just come out and say it is.
What was the political motivation or what maybe there was none?
Explain this to me.
Speaker 12 (14:09):
I think it's money. I really do. I really think
it's money. And you know, the craziest thing I ever
saw a teeny bit off topic was during the COVID fiasco.
There was a pregnant woman on TikTok and she was
about eight months along and she was like, I just
went and got my COVID shot, but I'm nervous about
taking tile and all. And I'm sitting here like, okay,
(14:32):
so you're nervous about taking tile and all and over
the counter medication, but you just got yourself injected with
an experimental vaccine that hasn't really been tested on pregnant
women at all, And that's okay. People are just not
thinking straight, you know, we as women, at least me.
When I was pregnant with my kids, I didn't eat
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you know, cold cuts, because they talked about the danger
of those. I stayed away from cats. But when I
was sick, I took tile and all. You just figure
because it's available over the counter, it's safe, And then
why go around and talk to any about the anybody
about the danger of it. After that, when it's making
so much money. There was a huge push to get
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tile and all available over the counter. And it's actually
not good for you at all. You think you're taking
something safe. It's really very bad for everybody, not just
pregnant women. So you know, just heal yourself naturally, start
taking care of your body, putting good food in it,
and then don't get sick.
Speaker 9 (15:32):
It's very simple, right.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Red Lobster. All right, Setting that aside, let's talk a
little big.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Pharma because Trump recently talked to the head of Pheiser.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Here. He was.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
I'm curious, where are the other companies other than Peiser?
Speaker 11 (15:49):
Are you expecting them to And I was.
Speaker 10 (15:52):
Honored to have Albert be the first. He's done a
fantastic job with as you know, with the COVID, he
did a fantastic job with a lot of things. He's
a leader, and Pfizer is right at the top. You know,
it's there. Eli Lilly has been fantastic, also your friend,
my friend, and they're all coming in over the next week.
(16:12):
We're making deals with all of them.
Speaker 12 (16:15):
Great.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
Uh, that made me feel lucky.
Speaker 12 (16:19):
I mean, seriously, you know, it's so hard with this
administration because he takes ten steps forward and then takes five, six, seven,
eight back, and you just wonder where he's getting information
from and what he's paying attention to. The bottom line
is this, our country is very, very sick, and a
very large majority of our country is dependent upon pharmaceutical
(16:41):
medications instead of just being healthy, like I said, and
going to red lobster.
Speaker 13 (16:46):
I don't know.
Speaker 12 (16:47):
I mean, if that's what your bag is, baby, I guess.
But if we were healthy, we wouldn't need the pharmaceutical companies.
So we're in this hamster wheel of millions of sick
Americans dependent on prescription drugs and drug companies like Pfizer
jacking up the cost of those drugs for the people
that need them. So should he make a deal with
(17:09):
Pfizer and say great things about them? No, But we
also have a nation of very, very very ill individuals
who are now dependent upon medicine to live. And so
what RFK is doing is trying to tackle that issue
not necessarily emboldened the pharmaceutical companies, which is what's been
happening for you know, gosh, fifty sixty seventy years now.
(17:31):
I hated it it was terrible.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
Tracy is I know this is kind of a chicken
or the egg question, but I generally find it fascinating
because when you look at how pilled out America is
in the studies, it's eye popping that the wealth is
the most powerful country in the history of the world,
would be pilled out of his mind? What came first,
the unhealth or the pills, because it's very noticeable.
Speaker 12 (17:55):
What probably the unhealth came first? And it really started
amping up with You're gonna love this one, truthfully, when
moms started going to work instead of staying home to
take care of their children where I think that they
should be in my opinion, meals went downhill. Everything needed
(18:15):
to be convenient. Time was less spent on, you know,
taking care of your kids. Not only that, but the
vaccine started being mandated and then we started getting all
kinds of disease after that, so food quality went down.
Moms were busy outside the house. The whole women's you know,
feminism movement that I wish never happened, happened, and so
(18:36):
you have moms not paying attention to their kids, feeding
them garbage, which makes them sick. And after a while
we have to play catch up and we're there so
and that that trickled up, right, So from kids eating
McDonald's that used to be cooked a lot better to
them becoming adults and doing the same thing over again.
We've now got about two generations, if not three, that
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are very, very unhealthy. And it's really in my opinion,
and a lot of it was convenience, and a lot
of it was the mandated vaccines for kids. And during school.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
I knew it was going to be tied to women
going into the workforce. I knew it, and I blamed
so many of our problems on exactly that. All right, Tracy,
tell me about an inconvenient study?
Speaker 2 (19:17):
What is this?
Speaker 12 (19:19):
So I'm speaking on behalf of myself right now. This
was a This is a film that's about a study
that was done at Henry Ford Health Center where they
compared unvaccinated to vaccinated children and looked at the differences
in health outcomes between the two. And what this study
(19:40):
that was not published shows is that at least in
this category, this is the one that got me, vaccinated
children were six times more likely to have an autoimmune
disease than on vaccinated children other asthma, ezema, other health
issues three times more likely four times more likely in
the vaccinated cohort. And that study was no published and
(20:01):
now it was. So this movie is going or is
going to go through and show what that study showed
and the story behind it. And I'm excited to see
it because I think it's something. There have been six
or seven other studies like this done and never getting
any attention, and this one was from a very well
respected health institution at Henry Ford, and so the results
(20:24):
of that should be made public for for everybody to see.
And you can actually find it on the House I'm sorry,
Senator Ron Johnson's website because he was the one who
brought it forward and they had a hearing on it
a couple weeks ago. It's pretty stunning, and I think
if parents saw this, they would at least have a
little bit more informed consent when making choices about vaccinating
(20:45):
their children.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Okay, so two things that I want you to clarify.
When you talk about vaccinations of children. We're not talking
about COVID. We're talking about the standard vaxes, right, the
ones that are thought that every parent's told they have
to give David Show. Okay, that's one yeah.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Two. Why wasn't it published?
Speaker 12 (21:03):
I don't know my opinion, probably because it showed that
there was a six times greater chance of your child
having an autoimmune disease if they were vaccinated. Just throwing
it out there. Because health became politicized Jesse instead of health.
Because healthcare became politicized from insurance to illness. Healthcare is
(21:25):
now politics, and that is absolutely not the way it
should be.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
That's whine. It's ugly.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It is an inconvenient study. Highly recommend you go see it.
Thank you, Tracy, appreciate it. Doctor Aaron Carrioty is going
to join us next.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
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Speaker 1 (21:47):
When I was a kid, I used to beg my
parents to let me have chips, and if they would
just give me a bag, which they would never do,
I would lay wasted like an entire bag of Dorito's
or something like that. So I have a real chip problem.
I have to be regulated with my chips. But I'm
forty four now and I've come to realize these chips
are freaking terrible for you.
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Speaker 14 (22:53):
People in America, I'm not settled with the information that's
been given to us right now. So I'm not gonna
to be lining up taking a shot or an a
vaccination for something that wasn't clear in the first place,
and then you all create a shot in miraculous time.
It takes years to create vaccination.
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Well it used to take years, Okay, you know how
you know how many years were invested in this in
this approach, About twenty years of science to get us to.
Speaker 14 (23:24):
Be wanting to do not enough, And nine months is
definitely not enough for nobody to be taking no vaccination
that you all came up with.
Speaker 5 (23:31):
How many people have died from COVID nineteen in the
United States.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Six hundred thousand Americans.
Speaker 14 (23:37):
Well, well, well the number that you all given that
died that once again that you all.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Know do do so miss the patriots who stood up
during that time of insanity in this country. One of
those patriots joins me now and wrote a book that
is near and dear to my heart, because it's really
what I want for this country, Doctor Aaron Carriarty, author
of Making the Cut, How to Heal Modern Medicine. Doctor,
(24:06):
I would very much like the trust in our medical
institutions to return in this country. Well, I can't treat myself.
I'm not a doctor. I don't know anything about this stuff.
I'm not a nurse. I need medical institutions I can
trust now when I walk in my doctor's office.
Speaker 2 (24:20):
Scoring I'm just scornful about everything. I don't trust a
single thing.
Speaker 11 (24:24):
And you're not alone in that, sadly, And I cite
some statistics early in the book showing how trust and
physicians has really tanked. Obviously took a big hit during COVID,
but even prior to COVID, it was being eroded by
various factors in medicine that I get into in Making
the Cut. That clip that you just showed is so
(24:46):
brilliant because here you have an ordinary man, not trained
in medicine, but exercising his logic and exercising his common
sense and saying things that are far more sensible and
far more reasonable than the supposed exp who was leading
our pandemic response and who was actually lying, for example,
about the mRNA vaccines. So when Fauci said, well, this
(25:08):
technology has been in the works for twenty years, what
he failed to mention was twenty years of work on
mRNA technology had essentially failed to produce safe and effective treatments.
So they had been working on mRNA vaccines for twenty years,
but they had never gotten past the animal testing phase
(25:29):
because they kept running into problems with the technology. And
then nine months of operation warp speed, and everyone is
supposed to accept that suddenly, when it became something that
was going to be very lucrative and appeared to be
very effective at addressing the COVID problem, we were supposed
(25:49):
to believe that a technology that had failed to advance
for twenty years was now ready for prime time. And
anyone who raised their hands like the man in the
video and asked an entirely sensible questions about it. We're
just told to shut up. You don't know what you're
talking about. You're not a virologist, you're not an epidemiologist.
(26:09):
This kind of condescension. And what I like to tell
people is, yeah, you might not be a virologist, you
might not be an epidemiologist, but you are a person
with common sense. You're a person with logic and rationality,
and you can know without being a biologist or an
expert in infectious disease that, let's say a policy that says,
when you walk into a restaurant and you're standing at
(26:32):
the door, you have to wear a mask, but as
soon as you sit down in the restaurant, you can
take your mask off. This is our infection control recommendation.
You don't have to be an expert in how viruses
work to know that. That makes absolutely no sense and
it's ludicrous, and it's theatrical and it's stupid. And so
years of this kind of condescension from the public health
(26:54):
and sadly the medical community as well, has eroded people's
trust in medicine. The other thing that happens is, you know,
you go to the doctor with your chief complaint and
you want to get some help and instead of looking
at you face to face and carefully examining you and
asking questions, in depth questions precisely about the issue that
you came to get help with. You have a doctor
(27:16):
staring at a screen who's become a glorified data entry
clerk for a medical record system that was not designed
for patients but was designed essentially for data gathering and
data analysis. And he's asking you a bunch of questions
about do you wear a helmet when you ride a bike?
And do you wear a seat belt? And are you
a smoker? And so on and so forth, which you
(27:37):
know may be interesting from time to time to get
a health screening. But really, this person who's staring at
a screen asking you questions that have nothing to do
do with your chief complaint is not increasing your confidence
that you're going to get the help that you need.
So I describe in Making the Cut what I call
(27:57):
the advent of turnstyle meta that the primary end primary
purpose of medical institutions is no longer first and foremost
about health and healing. It's about efficiency, and hospitals and
many clinics operate on the principle of efficient people moving
(28:18):
what I call turnstile medicine. Right when you go to Disneyland.
The whole engineering of Disneyland is designed to get as
many people through as many turnstyles and as many rides
and get you fed, gets.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
You toileted, and.
Speaker 11 (28:33):
To move the maximum number of people through the system. Right,
and medicine now operates more or less on the same principle,
and so rather than treating you like a unique individual,
they treat you like a sort of widget that's processed
by an industrialized healthcare system that's subjected to top down
managerialist control. Managerialism, which has taken over so many aspects
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of our society, is essentially the ideology that says that
a small group of technocrats, a small group of experts,
knows best. We saw this during COVID, and is therefore
in a position to tell everyone else what to do.
And that flows down from the top of our healthcare
system to the people on the ground. The doctors and
(29:19):
the nurses who no longer have the appropriate discretionary latitude
to tailor treatments to individual patients. Right, they're reduced to
checking boxes. They're reduced to treating every hip replacement exactly
the same. And in fact, the bundled payment system of
the Affordable Care Act dictates that hospitals treat every hip
(29:43):
replacement exactly the same. So if your hospital is extended
because you have a surgical complication, the hospital is actually
losing money on you. The hospital begins to resent you
because you're not behaving according to the principle of efficient
people moving. Hospital administrators love of the term throughput. Get
people in, get them processed, and get them out as
(30:06):
soon as possible, and patients start feeling like manufactured products
rather than human beings with the unique history and unique
problems and unique fears and worries about their illness that
need to be attended to by actual human beings that
care for them. So the central theme of Making the
(30:31):
Cut is how do we restore the doctor patient relationship,
the relationship between someone who's vulnerable because they're suffering from
illness and someone who professes to use all their knowledge
and skills for the purpose of health and healing, not
for the purpose of data gathering, not for the purpose
of efficient people moving, not for the purpose of a
(30:54):
needle in every arm so that they can get their
bonus payment. Because eighty five percent of their patient population
has vaccinated, or any any other external thing that's dictating care,
and we need we need to move to a much
more decentralized healthcare system where obviously the healthcare system needs
(31:16):
some regulation, but things have gone so far in the
direction of over regulation that it constrains the ability of
conscientious doctors and nurses to provide the kind of care
that their patients really need. And patients feel that. I
think many people experience it. Maybe they can't articulate it,
maybe they don't know why, but they just leave the
(31:37):
clinic experience, they leave the hospital experience feeling like something
very fundamental was missing there and I'm actually not getting
any better.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
I'm not healing. We have, as.
Speaker 11 (31:49):
Everyone knows now or should know from the from the
Maha movement, we have this chronic disease epidemic.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
That's that's undeniable.
Speaker 11 (31:58):
These statistics don't why. We have a very serious problem
with chronic illness in this country, and medicine has not
been very effective at dealing with it. Medicine is still
very good at certain things. If God forbid, Jesse, you
get hit by a truck tomorrow, go to the emergency room,
have the trauma surgeons patch you back together. Medicine is
(32:19):
very good at dealing with acute trauma, at dealing with
acute illness, we're not very effective at dealing with chronic illness,
at helping people maintain healthy lifestyle, at sort of long
term projects of health and healing. And so this book
is my attempt to explain what's going on in the
(32:43):
house of medicine, how medicine itself got sick, and also
try to offer some realistic and constructive solutions regarding how
we might be able to move forward.
Speaker 1 (32:54):
Yeah, that's why we need it so much. I'm so
glad you wrote it. Doctor. Thank you so much for
joining us.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
I appreciate you. Please come back soon. It was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
That's the body portion of it. Let's talk about the
mental health portion of it. It's undeniable. We have a
mental health disaster.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
In our country. Let's get to the bottom of that next.
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Speaker 1 (33:35):
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Speaker 13 (34:27):
I certainly consider mass shootings a health crisis, and we
are doing for the first time real studies to find
out what the ideology of that is.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
And we're looking for.
Speaker 13 (34:40):
The first time as psychiatric drugs. You know, he's kind
of man sitting. People have have had guns in this
country forever. When I was a kid, we had shooting
clubs at our school. People kids, my classmate's other people
would bring a twenty two rifle. Whether the guns is
at school and market in the parking lot. Nobody was shooting, said,
(35:00):
there's never been a time in America in the history
of humanity and people walk into a crowd into a
church or a movie theater, or a school, or crowded
standers that just started randomly shooting. It's happening in our country.
It's not happening around the world. And there are many
other countries that have comparable levels of guns.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
That we have in this country. We had comparable.
Speaker 13 (35:26):
Levels in the forties, fifties, and sixties, and people weren't
doing it. Something changed and it dramatically changed human behavior.
And one of the culprits we need to examine is
whether the fact that we are the most over medicated
nation in the world, and at a lot of those
are psychiatric drugs that have black box warnings on them
(35:49):
that warn of suicidal and homicidal ideation. So we are
doing those studies right now for the first time.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
For the first time. That is what an admission.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
Joining me now, doctor Joseph went dooring CEO and medical
director of Taper Clinic and host of Side Effects with
doctor Joseph. Doctor okay, so we'll set aside that we're
doing these studies for the first time. What he says
is noticeably true. We've always had guns. Now we have
psychos walking into schools and churches murdering people before they
blow their heads off, and it's unbelievably terrible.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
We need to get to the root of the problem.
What is it?
Speaker 15 (36:31):
So when we look at the you know, what is
causing mass shootings? I think there is you know, surely
there's an element of mass contagion going on. But what
Bobby says about the psychiatric drugs being involved is completely true.
You know, if you listen to the media these days,
they will say that you're a conspiracy theorist if you
even suggest that these drugs can do such a thing.
(36:54):
But it's it's hiding in plain sight. I mean, if
you look at the drug labels he mentioned for SSRIs,
it already says that they can cause aggression and hostility.
It already says that they can make people who are
not suicidal suicidal. If you look at the side effects
for stimulant medications in the warnings and precautions, which is
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one of the areas on the drug which has the
most important risk, it already lists hostility in aggression. If
you look at the drug Abilifi, a popular antipsychotic drug
given to people. It already lists homicidal ideation in there.
These side effects are there because doctors and the pharmaceutical
industry have known for a long time that these drugs
(37:38):
in rare instances. I want to say that these are
not the common effects. These are the paradoxical effects from
the medications that in rare instances, they can make some
people more aggressive. And so you know, it's like, imagine
you have like ten people smoking some cannabis right, nine
people they're sitting around giggling, having a good time, and
(38:00):
one person is getting paranoid. The same thing happens with
psychiatric medication. Some people, just for reasons that we don't understand,
respond in a negative way and they can become more aggressive.
And there's actually been and the media never talks about this.
There's actually been several cases out there which have gone
to the courts where judges and jurors have found that
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these drugs have been involved in suicides and ohso mass homicide.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Doctor, Do we believe that it has something to do
I know we don't know yet, as you just pointed out,
but does this have something to do with your mental
state going into the use of it or is it genetic?
What is it that has As you said, nine people
can take it and maybe they're a little lethorarogic, and
the last one turns into a demon who murders Catholic
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school kids.
Speaker 2 (38:52):
How in the world can the results be so different?
Speaker 15 (38:56):
Yeah, and that you're putting your finger on something that's
really unique. That these drugs can have a spectrum effect.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Right.
Speaker 15 (39:03):
Let's say, for instance, you already have someone who is
harboring some kind of homicidal thoughts. You put them on
a medication that's disinhibiting, a medication that is blunting their emotions.
And this is what a lot of these medications do,
especially things like SSRIs. They may be more likely to
act on pre existing thoughts. However, what I do want
to say, and this is where it's going to sound
(39:24):
like kind of almost demonic, These medications can make some
people so psychotic that even people who never had a
hint of violence, they can actually go and do terrible things.
You know, two cases come to mind, and this is
a little bit dark, but I think it's important to
talk about this topic. You know, there was the case
(39:46):
of Donald Shell in Wyoming in the nineties and now
Donald Shell had been exposed to I think it was prozac.
It's an SSRI medication, and he had a very bad
reaction to it. He actually became more agitated. He went
and saw another doctor who put him on Paxel, which
is actually another SSRI in the same class as prozac. Now,
normally this should never happen. You know, if you have
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a bad reaction to a drug in a class, a
doctor doesn't give you a drug in that same class
later on. But because of poor record keeping and you know,
bad communication, that happened. Now within a week, Don Shechell
killed his wife, his daughter, and his granddaughter and then
he killed himself. This went before a jury and they
(40:32):
found that Smith Klein was eighty percent responsible for what
had happened. This resulted in a million dollar verdict. And
that's just one case. You know, another case was and
this is these are some of the most heartbreaking stories
you'll ever hear. Another very well known case was David Carmichael.
(40:52):
This was a Canadian man, never had a history of violence,
loving father, all of those things. He actually took a
metation Paxel again I believe, and within a week he
killed his son by accident, he became completely psychotic and delusional.
I think his son had a seizure disorder, and so
(41:15):
that was it. That was like the nut. His son
had a seizure disorder. But when he took the medication,
he started to believe that his son was going to
die and that the most compassionate thing to do would
be to put him out of his misery. He woke
up in jail several weeks later realizing what he had done,
and now he speaks about this all over the country.
And so, yes, I do think you can have like
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a spectrum issue where someone who might be a little
bit on edge already can get pushed into it. But
I also think in some people who are very unlucky,
it can be entirely the drug and the manic type
psychosis reaction that pushes them into this.
Speaker 2 (41:54):
Gosh, that is scary stuff. Doctor.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Thank you so much for giving us a few minutes. Then,
I think I really really appreciate.
Speaker 2 (42:00):
Thank you. We're gonna have him back.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
This is fascinating and it's scary, but it's something we
have to talk about because it's everywhere. Maybe you're on them. Okay,
let's talk about it. Let's continue to have these conversations.
All right, I have some final thoughts to those next.
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Whole lot more. All right, all right, we'll do it again.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
We need to have a public reckoning for our medical institutions,
and I should say it is beginning. We do have
good people there, Doctor j doctor Martin McCarey.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
We have good people there.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
But we have to have this reckoning because we have
to have medical institutions we can trust. I can't be
my own doctor. You can't be your own doctor. Even
doctors aren't their own doctor. We need help. We need
institutions like this, and ours have been destroyed and taken
from us. We have to take whatever steps are necessary
(43:27):
in order to get those institutions back.
Speaker 2 (43:29):
I'm not going to let this go, and no other
should you. All Right, we'll do it again.
Host
Jesse Kelly
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