October 30, 2025 • 37 mins
Calling your political opposition under the guise of “protecting the nation”. Why was the federal government behind January 6th. Brandon Weichert on how advanced Russian equipment ended up in Venezuela. China had one card and they played it the best they could. Why is BRICs not dead?
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
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On a Thursday, a magnificent Thursday. I'm hoping it's going
to be an informative Thursday because we have a couple
different things going on today.
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So let me set the table for.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You on what's going to happen on tonight's world Famous
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have a little talk probably fairly soon about tariffs manufacturing
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much more coming up on the world Famous Jesse Kelly Show.
(01:21):
So before I get to any of that, I wanted
to touch a bit more on Arctic frost because it's back,
of course, it's in the news today. Looks like it's
going to stay there. For the foreseeable future. A reminder.
Maybe you've been on the outs, maybe you've been in
the mountains, Arctic frost. Is that FBI investigation Special Counsel
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Jack Smith, Christopher Ray, the DOJ. All these guys colluded.
They all colluded to weaponize the federal government against Republicans.
And let me expand on this a little bit more.
You know, I try to be a person who admits
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when I'm wrong. Now we all know that's extremely rare
in all serious I try to be that person. But
I have pride like anyone else. How many fights have
you gotten in, arguments have you gotten in in your
life because you're just too prideful to admit you're wrong.
So I don't love it. It's more fun to have
to make Jewish producer Chris grab some old prediction where
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I'm right and play that and be obnoxious about it
than to have to sit here and tell you, well,
I got something wrong. No one enjoys that. You don't.
I don't, But I'm going to own something I was
wrong about in my younger years. For sure, when I
got out, well, while I was in the Marine Corps.
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When I got out, I had some very very strong
views about national security and specifically terrorism. This was the
nine to eleven era. This is yeah, you're right, Chris,
every excuse in the world. I watched the towers come down,
and we fought against these people, So I had some
views on terrorism that kind of went something like this.
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When people when libertarian types and that's you. Honestly, if
that's you, that's fine. I guess that's maybe a bit me.
But libertarian types back then would say, hey, obviously terrorism's bad.
But expanding government's domestic powers in the name of terrorism,
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allowing them to spy here and in spy there on
the American people, in the name of hunting down terrorists,
that's a really, really bad idea that's going to be abused.
And young Jesse, we'll call him twenty five year old Jesse,
give or take, used to mock and belittle those people.
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You're soft on terror, you don't know what you're talking about,
you're enabling the enemy. But they were one hundred percent right.
The truth is giving the government power to hunt down
domestic terror, which obviously we want the government hunting down
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domestic terror, right, but giving the government extra powers to
sidestep this. In sidestep that and the name of hunting
down terror It did pave the road for the government
one day waking up and deciding that you are a terrorist.
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When we were talking about when we were wanting even
the government to hunt down domestic terrorists, well you know
what we were talking about. We're talking about Okata. Later
on we were talking about Isis. I'm talking about these
ge Hotti nutballs that are flying into buildings and blowing
themselves up. I don't mean me, but of course, eventually
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our federal government gets occupied by evil communists and for them,
all their political enemies are terrorists. And you know what
bothers me about this, what bothers me about me about
not seeing this coming. Historically, if you go read things
that Stalin said and Mao said, do you know the
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term they use for their political opponents they're persecuting almost
all the time terrorists. They were always calling their political
opponents terrorists to justify sending the secret state police after
these terrorists. Because nobody, Stalin maw, nobody wants to stand
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in front of their people and say I'm going after
my political opposition. I'm going to use the secret police
to go after my political opposition. Nobody says that then
the people might get angry, but you know what, the
people will be a bit more understanding about I'm going
after terrorists.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Hey, go get them frigging terrorists.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And back when they were lining out these powers for
the federal government in the wake of nine to eleven,
young Jesse was all about that life. Forty four year
old Jesse now watches the communist FBI hunt down over
one thousand January six ers hunt down Donald Trump, Republican consultants,
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Republican groups. Forty four year old Jesse looks back at
young Jesse and things, Hmmm, had a lot to learn,
didn't you. So we have this arctic frost thing that
wasn't actually the point of all that. I actually have
two points I want to make about the artic frost
stuff before we move on and we talk about other things.
One of them is this one. Hey, Jess, I'm glad
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Republican members of Congress are finally becoming angry about the
FBI's abuse of power. What bothers me is that they
Republicans had to be personally targeted for them to become angry.
I read this email because it mirrors something I said
briefly yesterday. It was on my mind all night, and
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it really bothers me too. Before I go to insulting
the communists, I do have to insult Republicans here, I do.
I understand that people are self serving by their nature,
and I understand that many people, most people you would
probably say, are more prone to cowardice than bravery. I
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get that. I understand that. But we elect Republicans not
because we're in love with Republicans, not because we're always
happy with Republicans. We elect Republicans because we, oftentimes I
know I do, view them as the only chance we
have to have a political opposition to the communists who
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want us dead. That's why we elect the Republicans. We
elect Republicans to fight the communists on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's why. And they know that, by the way, that's
why they run all these ads. I'm sure they're already
on your television depending where you are. I'll be the fighter.
I'm gonna fight. Elect man, I'll fight, I'll fight. I'm
a fighter. Look at me. I fight. They know that
we elect these people to fight on our behalf, not
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their behalf. Now, a central figure in this whole Arctic
frost thing is Justice Boseburg. I know you know the name.
Do you know why you know the name? He's that
alien looking freak of a judge who, after Donald Trump
got elected the second time, has been making a name
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for himself, issuing these rulings, trying to stop everything Trump does.
It wasn't long ago we were right here, you and
me screaming about Boseburg this and bo Burg, Dad and
Boseburg this and Boseburg dat. Okay, who was the judge
signing off on all this illegal crap the FBI was doing?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You guessed it, Boseburg.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Now today we had republican politician after republican politician United
States senators get up behind the podium and call for
the impeachment of Justice Boseburg. All right, sounds good, totally agree.
I don't know about you. I'm not going to be
shedding any tears for Justice Boseburg. But it wasn't until
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your phone line was tented. What if it was my
phone line would you be calling for I know I'm
not a senator, I'm not a member of the House
of What if it was yours? You know what?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Forget about me? Because I have a.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Big platform radio show and all that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What if it was you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What if they found out Justice Boseburg approved a completely evil,
illegal wire tap on your cell phone, collecting your data,
by the way, just like they did to all those
poor January six ers.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
How many you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's a perfect example. Let me ask you a question.
Name for me every Republican senator who called for a
judge to be impeached because they approved the illegal wire
tapping of January six ers. Anybody is this this microphone on?
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But they get their information hoovered up? Now it's a
big deal. That's crap, man. We expect you to fight
for us, not just you. All right now, set that,
Setting that aside, we'll riff on the communists here briefly,
then we'll move on. Jd Vance has impressing me. Impressing me.
Brandon Wicker's coming up a half hour from now to
talk about Venezuela and China. Russia is flying military cargo
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jets into Venezuela. What is happening down in Venezuela. We'll
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Whatever he asked me doesn't even have to be political.
Back to what we were discussing, so artic frost. That's
back in the news, we covered a bit of the mouthfeasons,
although there's more stuff that's coming out. I'll get to
that in a moment. And I touched on the fact
that I have noticed, and it does bother me, that
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Republican politicians are now finally calling for the impeachment of judges,
expressing a great deal of outrage because their phones have
been tapped, because they have been tracked.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And now it is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But you matter as much as they do these You
would like them to think that, or at least pretend.
But either setting that aside, this is something we've touched
on before, but I want to touch on it again
because as we find out more about Artic Frost. For instance,
today I got this from my buddy Sean Davis, who's
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looking into this. It's not just Republican senators. It's not
just Republican individuals, meaning the head of certain groups. You know,
certain political pacts which are not criminal at all. These
are all groups on the up and up. They also
dug into the groups themselves and pulled donor lists in
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email addresses as part of this investigation. They completely took
a part and hoovered up all the data on people
in Republican politics, a complete witch hunt to create an
enemy's list. This was insanely evil and frightening beyond belief.
This is how people end up in gulags. This is really, really,
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really bad. All right, that's what they did. I'm going
to read to you something. It's a direct quote. Ken
Delanian is a communist. He works for MSNBC NBC. He
poses as a reporter, but he's a communist. So I
just laid out what they did. Keep in mind, as
I mentioned yesterday, tracking people's not just their phone numbers,
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who they called, who they texted, what their location was,
Tearing apart organizations, hoovering up it was so far reaching,
so illegal, so out of line. The communist got elected
and used all the forces inside the government against his
political opponents to create enemies lists, hunt down innocent people
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all over the country. Now this is Ken Delanian quote.
He's talking about Chuck Grassley. He has yet to produce evidence,
and he put this in quotes. The Biden DOJ did
anything improper in investigating a plot among Trump's supporters to
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overturn a free and fair election, or that Biden had
anything to do with the investigation at all, January sixth,
I will always believe was an operation conducted by the
federal government. I believe there is a mountain of evidence
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out there, the FBI agents in the crowd, the people
who have never been identified, who were the main instigators
of all that riot stuff? Now, that always begged the question,
why would the government want a riot? Why would Nancy
Pelosi refuse National Guard? Why would we have people on
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camera telling people to go into the cap and they
were getting not only not arrested, they were getting puff
pieces in the New York Times? Why would the government?
If I'm correct, why would the government do January sixth
on purpose? I thought they were all very concerned about
the whole thing, weren't they. Why would they do it?
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You're reading it right now, Why they would do it?
You're reading it exactly right now. Yeah. Ray Epps is
on camera saying we're going to go into the Capitol.
He's on camera whispering something in some guy's ear. As
soon as he whispers it, the guy turns around and
batters down the barricades. He wasn't hunted down like a
dog here he was on sixty minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Why didn't you stop to help this police officer who
was knocked over. When she was knocked down, and I
started to go towards her to help her up, and
I saw a billy club over here in the corner
of my eye, and I thought, you know, they're going
to think I'm part of this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So I backed off. You were part of it. I
was there.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I wasn't a part of that knocking her down.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And he wasn't part of the violence. There's a big
difference there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Why would the federal government, if I'm correct, why would
they do this? You're witnessing right now. That's why you
do it. You run an operation like this, if it
was an operation, because it makes your political opponents look
like domestic terrorists. You use that operation as justification to
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tap the phone lines of United States senators to hunt
down January six ers all over the country with the
promise of more. You use that as justification to go
through the donor lists email addresses of your political opponents.
You essentially use that as the way you can pick
the lock, open up the door, and hoover up all
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the intelligence you've been wanting on your political opponents. And
they did. It's really bad, all right, all right? Are
we going to invade Venezuela. And why are Russian cargo
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kellyshow dot com. Now we have to talk Venezuela. We
have to talk China. Brandon Weikert is our go to
for all of these questions. He has criticisms of the
China deal. But first, before we go China, Brandon, I
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want to know why there are Russian cargo jets landing
in Venezuela.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Well, it's because they know we're getting ready to invade
Venezuela and they're trying to help their their client out
as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Okay, now I'm gonna touch on that for a moment.
Help them out as much as possible. Because it used
to be proxy wars were fought with at least some
level of secrecy, even if everyone knew what everyone was doing. Then,
of course we started shipping weapons to Ukraine, and every
American politician bragged about how many Russians were killing with them.
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So I'm assuming the veil of secrecy is off on
this sort of thing, and Russia's just gonna come out
and say we gave them this so they can kill Americans.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well, the Russians aren't saying that. It's the Venezuelans who
are saying it. The Venezuelans have let the cat out
of the bag and they're letting everybody know. And I
think we've confirmed that the Russians have given them the
KH thirty one A anti ship ballistic missile. We're still
trying to determine if the Russians handed over the even
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more advanced KH thirty one AD anti ship ballistic missile.
But it's somewhat ironic because I think the reason Maduro
is sharing this publicly is to try to put the
fear of God into the Americans so that they won't attack.
But it's actually I think encouraging the Pentagon to seek
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to strike a land invasion, partly because they're going to
want to send the Marines to go hunt those launch
sites down and make sure they're destroyed because the KA
thirty one A and the K starty one a D
definitely are such very serious threats to our warships that
are off the coast of Venezuela right now, Brenn.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And can you expand on this missile in its capability
because most people do not understand. So is this we
can't stop it? Can it sink an aircraft carrier? What?
What can these things do? What's the range? Well, what's
their capability?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well just not yet two technical. Our ships, all of
them right now, that are operating off the coast of
Venezuela are within range of this thing. And our ships
have to be where they are to support any kind
of operation that we will be conducting in the Venezuelan areas.
So our ships really can't move that far if they
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want to be in a support role. Of course, we
have I believe a Los Angeles class submarine off the coast,
armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles, and that will play a
factor as well. Well. That is not as that's not
threatened by dismissile. But our service ships are, including the
USS Gerald R Ford, which the last I heard about
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four or five days ago, it was being retasked from
the Mediterranean over to the Caribbean to support what I
suspect will be an invasion of Venezuela. The thing about
these missiles, the Russians have been listen. We have a
lot of misinformation in the West about the Russian military capabilities.
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Just to clear up any confusion, the Russians are very
serious players militarily. They are not, as McCain described them
before he died, just a giant gas station with nukes.
They are very real military power. They have very serious
systems of increasingly complex capabilities. Dismissile is one of them.
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And they have a war machine right now, a war
economy that can industrially produce these things like sausages, and
they are These weapons are very dangerous to US Navy warships,
and that is why they are flying them in by
the plane load and have been for a year or
so two Venueuela in anticipation that we were going to
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do this. These things can swarm, they are very cheap
to produce, relatively speaking, They can be fired in multiple iterations,
and they can overwhelm the ship based air defenses that
we have anti missile defenses that we have on the
destroyers on the carrier. This is their threat. It's not
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necessarily that one will will only one fired or two
fired will be the threat. It's that dozens and dozens
of them fired at once at a single target will
overwhelm the onboard defense systems.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, again, we're speaking with Brandon Wikert, so we are
going to nerd out on some technical details because details
matter and they can be the difference between three thousand
sailors going to the bottom of the ocean or not. Okay, Brandon,
so you already brought up take them out at the
launch site. Can you talk to me about the launch site?
And I ask it very stupidly for this reason, can
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we not detect the launch site and drop a tomahawk
on it before they send an aircraft carrier to the
bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, no, I am sure that we will be doing
our own with like I said, that Los Angeles class
submarine that's lurking there. I am sure we will be
doing everything we can to knock out known launch sites.
The problem is, you know, Trump said he doesn't like
to telegraph military movements, but unfortunately this has been the
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worst telegraph one he's done, in the sense that the
Venezuelans have known since at least August we're coming, so
they have had time to dismantle their launch sites and
disperse them throughout the country, harden the sites and whatnot.
And the Russians are experts at that, and the Russians
have absolutely been helping them do this. As by the way, have.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The Iranis okay so hardening the sites? Don't We have
all these different things we can drop that can destroy
bunkers deep underground. How do you harden a site the
work where it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
The Israelis did not in their war with Iran. Contrary
to what the media is saying, none of those underground
missile cities were destroyed because the Iranians had hardened them
so well that they still have these massive bunkers of
hypersonic weapons and missiles. It's the same thing going on here.
Plus they can hide them out in the jungle. It's
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harder for us to detect. This is why the discussion
is they want to send in marines to basically verify
we're going to be able to kill these things before
they can be much of a threat to the fleet.
But of course, the fact is, all it takes is
one swarm. I mean, you know, all it takes is
one go. They don't even have to sink an American ship.
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All we have to do is damage it sufficiently that
there's some pretty amazing photos of it that go out
on the Internet, and that sends a signal to the
rest of the world that Uncle Sam really isn't as
powerful as he once was. And then it's open season
on the United States.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Brandon again speaking with Brandon Weikert here. Politically, and I
know that's not necessarily what you and I usually talk about,
but politically, doesn't this put Donald Trump in an extreme
amount of danger? Politically because the American people, especially now,
they're kind of okay with a little foreign adventuring. If
you're dropping some bombs on Iran with no real threat
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to our troops, no damage to our stuff, wake up
one day, we celebrate on Instagram and call it a day.
If an American sailor dies down off Venezuela, they're going
to start asking harder questions.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, well, especially if this turns out like erupted is.
Remember Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, they were running around telling everybody
that the invasion was going to pay for itself. We
were going to go in toppless, be greeted as liberators,
install a democracy in short order, and oh, by the way,
all the oil and natural gas would pay for the invasion.
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Of course, none of that happened. We ended up getting
stuck holding a bag, you know, an insurgency. It was
a nightmare. It took us decade, a decade to get
out of there, and we got out of there with
our tail behind between our legs. Similarly, my concern, and
I'm not saying this will happen, but my concern is twofold. First,
Trump is clearly committed to regime change in Venezuela, and
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I'm no lover of Maduro, happy to see him go,
but it's really a problem for us if we do
this because secondly, Maduro is mobilizing three million of his
Bolivarian militia guys. Now, there's a lot of debate in
the military kind of observing community as to how combat
effective these guys are. But even if a quarter of
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that number is combat effective, we're talking about, you know,
another Vietnam potentially here, because we're going to try to
get out after we knock out Maduro, and we're going
to find that we kicked over a hornet's nest.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Brandon, do you have another segment for me to talk
China and okay, we will be back with more. Brandon
Wiker to just that exactly why I wanted him to
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It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Thursday memory.
If you miss any part of the show, you can
download at Iheartspotify iTunes. Now let's talk Trump China trade deal.
But we have one more year now with rare Earth.
So what are the details of all this? What do
we like? What do we hate? Brandon Wiker of course
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joins us again for this Brandon talk. I mean, we
did we do well?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Did we do poorly?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well? I just want to clarify one thing because I
think I said launch site about the Cage thirty one
a in Venezuela. I've got to say the depots, because
the launch site are the air bases because they're launched
by the Russian made warplanes. But it's the depots where
they're housed. That's what I was talking about. That's why
I mentioned the Iranian mississipies. But with that, with that
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being out of the way, the question of China US
trade war, well, this is a this is a sticky
wicked I'm getting a lot of pushback for my friends
and the mar Lago crew, because I think we got
our butts handed to us in the trade war by China,
and I think the Chinese know it, and I think
the rest of the world, notably the Global South, knows it,
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which is breathing new life into the Bricks Alliance. Contrary
to what Trump said, it's not dead, you know. It's
the fact of the matter is China had one card
to play and they played it brilliantly, and that was
the rare earth mineral ban or the threat of a
rare earth mineral band, specifically the export controls they wanted
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to put in on heavy rare earth minerals. That's the
stuff that we need to make everything from your laptop
to cruise missiles and everything in between. And the Chinese
control the bulk of it. And when Trump went after
them in the trade war, they said, you could tear
of us all you want, but you're not getting access
to the rare earth minerals. And now Trump realized that,
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and that's why he's trying to cut a deal at
all costs.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, So, Brandon, how in the world do we get
to a place where the Chinese controls so much that
they have this leverage over us.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What well, remember this is what Trump was rightly attacking
in all three of his campaigns whenever the issue of
trade came up. I mean, he's the only president in
my lifetime we talked about this seriously and had an
idea of what to do about it. The problem is
her he ran out of time, he ran out of daylight.
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Because what happened was, going back to the nineteen seventies,
Nixon and Carter both opened up to China, and ever
since then, forty or fifty years now, both Republican and
Democratic Party presidents have systematically dismantled our own capability to
produce stuff and to mine for things here, and they
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gave it to the Chinese. And as we shut down
here and Wall Street got rich off the shutting down
of everything, the Chinese were able to make themselves into
a industrial mega mega power or superpower. And now they've
reached kind of that critical moment where they have their
hand on the beating heart of the rare earth mineral market,
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which is the one bottleneck that if they were to
cut us off from, we would basically go back to
the eighteenth century technologically, don't we.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Have our hand on their economic heart too, because they
need us buying things or have they found so many
new customers they don't need us as bad as they
used to need.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, and this is the key thing here. You know,
it's not that the Chinese beat us so completely. They're
laughing that. You know, we're never going to be a factor.
You're right, they did need us to buy stuff, at
least for now, but they are finding alternative markets much
the same way the Russians are for their stuff. The
key thing here with China is the objective, right, What
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was our objective? What was their objective? Our objective was
a lot harder to achieve. Our objective was we want
to get as much of our stuff out of China
and get our companies out of China to either return
to the United States on shoring or reshoring, or to
go to a friendly country called friendshoring where our supply
chains couldn't be disrupted and China couldn't do what they
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were what they did ultimately to us in the trade war.
What China's objective was was a lot easier. They just
needed to hang on long enough to inflict enough pain
on our farmers and our high tech and our defense establishment,
that they would then get US to reopen trade with them,
And that is exactly what they've gotten. And so that
is why I say they won the trade war, because
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their objectives were much more attainable, and they calculated correctly
that by squeezing us on that one issue, the rare
earth mineral issue, they could basically get us to, you know,
contort in ways I don't think Trump would have had
to do even four years ago. My friend Dan Collins,
who's done a bunch of business in China. He's a
factory guy. He builds factories for a living. He told
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me about it two weeks ago that the reason the
tech war the trade war went better in Trump's first
term is because China depended on us for helium. You
need helium to make a lot of this technology that
China's making. So from twenty twenty until about a year ago,
China embarked on a nationwide Manhattan project to no longer
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be dependent on the US for helium. That was our
silver bullet against them in the trade war. They took
it away from US, and they knew when Trump got
elected he was going to play the trade war card.
We didn't have the kind of vulnerability to exploit in
them that they had on us with the rare earth mineral,
which is why it's playing out the way it is now.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Brandon, I've only got about a minute left, but I
do have to ask, because you mentioned it, why is
bricks not dead? I thought we were past all this.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, because look, America looks weak right now, and they
don't like the way that we handle the dollar, or
how we weaponize it and we use it for sanctions
and whatnot. Or they're threatening to take the Sovereign Wealth
Fund of Russia, a nuclear armed superpower. So the rest
of the developing world is going, hey, if they can
do that to Russia, the Americans are going to do
it to little o' us. So we're going to align
with Russia and China because we're not going to be
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pushed around. It's the politics of resistance, that's what you're dealing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
With, Brandon Weikert. Go read his stuff. He writes amazing books.
By the way, Brandon, thank you, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Dang it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I was hoping. Look, I understand when it comes to deals.
This is why I wanted to come on today to
talk about this. China deal. I understand when it comes
to deals that not everybody, no side, is going to
be one hundred percent happy. That's part of the point
of making a deal. You're going to have to give
a little one. I'm going to have to give a
little I understand all that, and I am hopeful that
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we will come out the back end of this well.
But we essentially the clock has begun ticking. From what
I understand about this trade deal. We don't have rare
earths for years. We have it for a year. We
have a year to figure out how to source this stuff.
If we cannot, we will technologically fall behind the other
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superpower on the globe that wants to topple us. And
that kind of seems important, doesn't it. All Right, all right,
never fear, that's only one hour. We still have two
more hours left on an amazing Thursday. And then ask
doctor Jesse, Friday's coming tomorrow, So don't worry. Hang on
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Speaker 2 (00:19):
Let's have some fun.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
On a Thursday, a magnificent Thursday. I'm hoping it's going
to be an informative Thursday because we have a couple
different things going on today.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
So let me set the table for.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
You on what's going to happen on tonight's world Famous
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diversity higher, why are they finally getting hard questions? What's
actually going on here? Climate change is not pulling as
a main issue for people. So we're actually going to
(00:59):
have a little talk probably fairly soon about tariffs manufacturing
bringing jobs back, and we're going to tie that quimatechuring
stuff into that. All that we have apparently legions of
foreigners on welfare in this country. All that and so
much more coming up on the world Famous Jesse Kelly Show.
(01:21):
So before I get to any of that, I wanted
to touch a bit more on Arctic frost because it's back,
of course, it's in the news today. Looks like it's
going to stay there. For the foreseeable future. A reminder.
Maybe you've been on the outs, maybe you've been in
the mountains, Arctic frost. Is that FBI investigation Special Counsel
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Jack Smith, Christopher Ray, the DOJ. All these guys colluded.
They all colluded to weaponize the federal government against Republicans.
And let me expand on this a little bit more.
You know, I try to be a person who admits
(02:07):
when I'm wrong. Now we all know that's extremely rare
in all serious I try to be that person. But
I have pride like anyone else. How many fights have
you gotten in, arguments have you gotten in in your
life because you're just too prideful to admit you're wrong.
So I don't love it. It's more fun to have
to make Jewish producer Chris grab some old prediction where
(02:27):
I'm right and play that and be obnoxious about it
than to have to sit here and tell you, well,
I got something wrong. No one enjoys that. You don't.
I don't, But I'm going to own something I was
wrong about in my younger years. For sure, when I
got out, well, while I was in the Marine Corps.
(02:48):
When I got out, I had some very very strong
views about national security and specifically terrorism. This was the
nine to eleven era. This is yeah, you're right, Chris,
every excuse in the world. I watched the towers come down,
and we fought against these people, So I had some
views on terrorism that kind of went something like this.
(03:10):
When people when libertarian types and that's you. Honestly, if
that's you, that's fine. I guess that's maybe a bit me.
But libertarian types back then would say, hey, obviously terrorism's bad.
But expanding government's domestic powers in the name of terrorism,
(03:30):
allowing them to spy here and in spy there on
the American people, in the name of hunting down terrorists,
that's a really, really bad idea that's going to be abused.
And young Jesse, we'll call him twenty five year old Jesse,
give or take, used to mock and belittle those people.
(03:53):
You're soft on terror, you don't know what you're talking about,
you're enabling the enemy. But they were one hundred percent right.
The truth is giving the government power to hunt down
domestic terror, which obviously we want the government hunting down
(04:14):
domestic terror, right, but giving the government extra powers to
sidestep this. In sidestep that and the name of hunting
down terror It did pave the road for the government
one day waking up and deciding that you are a terrorist.
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When we were talking about when we were wanting even
the government to hunt down domestic terrorists, well you know
what we were talking about. We're talking about Okata. Later
on we were talking about Isis. I'm talking about these
ge Hotti nutballs that are flying into buildings and blowing
themselves up. I don't mean me, but of course, eventually
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our federal government gets occupied by evil communists and for them,
all their political enemies are terrorists. And you know what
bothers me about this, what bothers me about me about
not seeing this coming. Historically, if you go read things
that Stalin said and Mao said, do you know the
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term they use for their political opponents they're persecuting almost
all the time terrorists. They were always calling their political
opponents terrorists to justify sending the secret state police after
these terrorists. Because nobody, Stalin maw, nobody wants to stand
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in front of their people and say I'm going after
my political opposition. I'm going to use the secret police
to go after my political opposition. Nobody says that then
the people might get angry, but you know what, the
people will be a bit more understanding about I'm going
after terrorists.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Hey, go get them frigging terrorists.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
And back when they were lining out these powers for
the federal government in the wake of nine to eleven,
young Jesse was all about that life. Forty four year
old Jesse now watches the communist FBI hunt down over
one thousand January six ers hunt down Donald Trump, Republican consultants,
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Republican groups. Forty four year old Jesse looks back at
young Jesse and things, Hmmm, had a lot to learn,
didn't you. So we have this arctic frost thing that
wasn't actually the point of all that. I actually have
two points I want to make about the artic frost
stuff before we move on and we talk about other things.
One of them is this one. Hey, Jess, I'm glad
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Republican members of Congress are finally becoming angry about the
FBI's abuse of power. What bothers me is that they
Republicans had to be personally targeted for them to become angry.
I read this email because it mirrors something I said
briefly yesterday. It was on my mind all night, and
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it really bothers me too. Before I go to insulting
the communists, I do have to insult Republicans here, I do.
I understand that people are self serving by their nature,
and I understand that many people, most people you would
probably say, are more prone to cowardice than bravery. I
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get that. I understand that. But we elect Republicans not
because we're in love with Republicans, not because we're always
happy with Republicans. We elect Republicans because we, oftentimes I
know I do, view them as the only chance we
have to have a political opposition to the communists who
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want us dead. That's why we elect the Republicans. We
elect Republicans to fight the communists on our behalf.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
That's why.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
That's why. And they know that, by the way, that's
why they run all these ads. I'm sure they're already
on your television depending where you are. I'll be the fighter.
I'm gonna fight. Elect man, I'll fight, I'll fight. I'm
a fighter. Look at me. I fight. They know that
we elect these people to fight on our behalf, not
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their behalf. Now, a central figure in this whole Arctic
frost thing is Justice Boseburg. I know you know the name.
Do you know why you know the name? He's that
alien looking freak of a judge who, after Donald Trump
got elected the second time, has been making a name
(08:50):
for himself, issuing these rulings, trying to stop everything Trump does.
It wasn't long ago we were right here, you and
me screaming about Boseburg this and bo Burg, Dad and
Boseburg this and Boseburg dat. Okay, who was the judge
signing off on all this illegal crap the FBI was doing?
Speaker 2 (09:10):
You guessed it, Boseburg.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
Now today we had republican politician after republican politician United
States senators get up behind the podium and call for
the impeachment of Justice Boseburg. All right, sounds good, totally agree.
I don't know about you. I'm not going to be
shedding any tears for Justice Boseburg. But it wasn't until
(09:39):
your phone line was tented. What if it was my
phone line would you be calling for I know I'm
not a senator, I'm not a member of the House
of What if it was yours? You know what?
Speaker 2 (09:52):
Forget about me? Because I have a.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Big platform radio show and all that.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
What if it was you?
Speaker 1 (10:00):
What if they found out Justice Boseburg approved a completely evil,
illegal wire tap on your cell phone, collecting your data,
by the way, just like they did to all those
poor January six ers.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
How many you know what?
Speaker 1 (10:14):
That's a perfect example. Let me ask you a question.
Name for me every Republican senator who called for a
judge to be impeached because they approved the illegal wire
tapping of January six ers. Anybody is this this microphone on?
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But they get their information hoovered up? Now it's a
big deal. That's crap, man. We expect you to fight
for us, not just you. All right now, set that,
Setting that aside, we'll riff on the communists here briefly,
then we'll move on. Jd Vance has impressing me. Impressing me.
Brandon Wicker's coming up a half hour from now to
talk about Venezuela and China. Russia is flying military cargo
(11:04):
jets into Venezuela. What is happening down in Venezuela. We'll
get to all that in a few Before we get
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We'll be back the Jesse Kelly Show. I like it.
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Whatever he asked me doesn't even have to be political.
Back to what we were discussing, so artic frost. That's
back in the news, we covered a bit of the mouthfeasons,
although there's more stuff that's coming out. I'll get to
that in a moment. And I touched on the fact
that I have noticed, and it does bother me, that
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Republican politicians are now finally calling for the impeachment of judges,
expressing a great deal of outrage because their phones have
been tapped, because they have been tracked.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
And now it is a big deal.
Speaker 1 (12:56):
But you matter as much as they do these You
would like them to think that, or at least pretend.
But either setting that aside, this is something we've touched
on before, but I want to touch on it again
because as we find out more about Artic Frost. For instance,
today I got this from my buddy Sean Davis, who's
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looking into this. It's not just Republican senators. It's not
just Republican individuals, meaning the head of certain groups. You know,
certain political pacts which are not criminal at all. These
are all groups on the up and up. They also
dug into the groups themselves and pulled donor lists in
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email addresses as part of this investigation. They completely took
a part and hoovered up all the data on people
in Republican politics, a complete witch hunt to create an
enemy's list. This was insanely evil and frightening beyond belief.
This is how people end up in gulags. This is really, really,
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really bad. All right, that's what they did. I'm going
to read to you something. It's a direct quote. Ken
Delanian is a communist. He works for MSNBC NBC. He
poses as a reporter, but he's a communist. So I
just laid out what they did. Keep in mind, as
I mentioned yesterday, tracking people's not just their phone numbers,
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who they called, who they texted, what their location was,
Tearing apart organizations, hoovering up it was so far reaching,
so illegal, so out of line. The communist got elected
and used all the forces inside the government against his
political opponents to create enemies lists, hunt down innocent people
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all over the country. Now this is Ken Delanian quote.
He's talking about Chuck Grassley. He has yet to produce evidence,
and he put this in quotes. The Biden DOJ did
anything improper in investigating a plot among Trump's supporters to
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overturn a free and fair election, or that Biden had
anything to do with the investigation at all, January sixth,
I will always believe was an operation conducted by the
federal government. I believe there is a mountain of evidence
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out there, the FBI agents in the crowd, the people
who have never been identified, who were the main instigators
of all that riot stuff? Now, that always begged the question,
why would the government want a riot? Why would Nancy
Pelosi refuse National Guard? Why would we have people on
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camera telling people to go into the cap and they
were getting not only not arrested, they were getting puff
pieces in the New York Times? Why would the government?
If I'm correct, why would the government do January sixth
on purpose? I thought they were all very concerned about
the whole thing, weren't they. Why would they do it?
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You're reading it right now, Why they would do it?
You're reading it exactly right now. Yeah. Ray Epps is
on camera saying we're going to go into the Capitol.
He's on camera whispering something in some guy's ear. As
soon as he whispers it, the guy turns around and
batters down the barricades. He wasn't hunted down like a
dog here he was on sixty minutes.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Why didn't you stop to help this police officer who
was knocked over. When she was knocked down, and I
started to go towards her to help her up, and
I saw a billy club over here in the corner
of my eye, and I thought, you know, they're going
to think I'm part of this.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
So I backed off. You were part of it. I
was there.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
I wasn't a part of that knocking her down.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
And he wasn't part of the violence. There's a big
difference there.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Why would the federal government, if I'm correct, why would
they do this? You're witnessing right now. That's why you
do it. You run an operation like this, if it
was an operation, because it makes your political opponents look
like domestic terrorists. You use that operation as justification to
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tap the phone lines of United States senators to hunt
down January six ers all over the country with the
promise of more. You use that as justification to go
through the donor lists email addresses of your political opponents.
You essentially use that as the way you can pick
the lock, open up the door, and hoover up all
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the intelligence you've been wanting on your political opponents. And
they did. It's really bad, all right, all right? Are
we going to invade Venezuela. And why are Russian cargo
jets flying into Venezuela. Are they dropping off Cheetos? Let's
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Speaker 2 (19:48):
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Get your questions emailed in now to Jesse at Jesse
kellyshow dot com. Now we have to talk Venezuela. We
have to talk China. Brandon Weikert is our go to
for all of these questions. He has criticisms of the
China deal. But first, before we go China, Brandon, I
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want to know why there are Russian cargo jets landing
in Venezuela.
Speaker 4 (20:29):
Well, it's because they know we're getting ready to invade
Venezuela and they're trying to help their their client out
as much as possible.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Okay, now I'm gonna touch on that for a moment.
Help them out as much as possible. Because it used
to be proxy wars were fought with at least some
level of secrecy, even if everyone knew what everyone was doing. Then,
of course we started shipping weapons to Ukraine, and every
American politician bragged about how many Russians were killing with them.
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So I'm assuming the veil of secrecy is off on
this sort of thing, and Russia's just gonna come out
and say we gave them this so they can kill Americans.
Speaker 4 (21:09):
Well, the Russians aren't saying that. It's the Venezuelans who
are saying it. The Venezuelans have let the cat out
of the bag and they're letting everybody know. And I
think we've confirmed that the Russians have given them the
KH thirty one A anti ship ballistic missile. We're still
trying to determine if the Russians handed over the even
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more advanced KH thirty one AD anti ship ballistic missile.
But it's somewhat ironic because I think the reason Maduro
is sharing this publicly is to try to put the
fear of God into the Americans so that they won't attack.
But it's actually I think encouraging the Pentagon to seek
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to strike a land invasion, partly because they're going to
want to send the Marines to go hunt those launch
sites down and make sure they're destroyed because the KA
thirty one A and the K starty one a D
definitely are such very serious threats to our warships that
are off the coast of Venezuela right now, Brenn.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
And can you expand on this missile in its capability
because most people do not understand. So is this we
can't stop it? Can it sink an aircraft carrier? What?
What can these things do? What's the range? Well, what's
their capability?
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Well just not yet two technical. Our ships, all of
them right now, that are operating off the coast of
Venezuela are within range of this thing. And our ships
have to be where they are to support any kind
of operation that we will be conducting in the Venezuelan areas.
So our ships really can't move that far if they
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want to be in a support role. Of course, we
have I believe a Los Angeles class submarine off the coast,
armed with Tomahawk cruise missiles, and that will play a
factor as well. Well. That is not as that's not
threatened by dismissile. But our service ships are, including the
USS Gerald R Ford, which the last I heard about
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four or five days ago, it was being retasked from
the Mediterranean over to the Caribbean to support what I
suspect will be an invasion of Venezuela. The thing about
these missiles, the Russians have been listen. We have a
lot of misinformation in the West about the Russian military capabilities.
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Just to clear up any confusion, the Russians are very
serious players militarily. They are not, as McCain described them
before he died, just a giant gas station with nukes.
They are very real military power. They have very serious
systems of increasingly complex capabilities. Dismissile is one of them.
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And they have a war machine right now, a war
economy that can industrially produce these things like sausages, and
they are These weapons are very dangerous to US Navy warships,
and that is why they are flying them in by
the plane load and have been for a year or
so two Venueuela in anticipation that we were going to
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do this. These things can swarm, they are very cheap
to produce, relatively speaking, They can be fired in multiple iterations,
and they can overwhelm the ship based air defenses that
we have anti missile defenses that we have on the
destroyers on the carrier. This is their threat. It's not
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necessarily that one will will only one fired or two
fired will be the threat. It's that dozens and dozens
of them fired at once at a single target will
overwhelm the onboard defense systems.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Okay, again, we're speaking with Brandon Wikert, so we are
going to nerd out on some technical details because details
matter and they can be the difference between three thousand
sailors going to the bottom of the ocean or not. Okay, Brandon,
so you already brought up take them out at the
launch site. Can you talk to me about the launch site?
And I ask it very stupidly for this reason, can
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we not detect the launch site and drop a tomahawk
on it before they send an aircraft carrier to the
bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
Yeah, no, I am sure that we will be doing
our own with like I said, that Los Angeles class
submarine that's lurking there. I am sure we will be
doing everything we can to knock out known launch sites.
The problem is, you know, Trump said he doesn't like
to telegraph military movements, but unfortunately this has been the
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worst telegraph one he's done, in the sense that the
Venezuelans have known since at least August we're coming, so
they have had time to dismantle their launch sites and
disperse them throughout the country, harden the sites and whatnot.
And the Russians are experts at that, and the Russians
have absolutely been helping them do this. As by the way, have.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
The Iranis okay so hardening the sites? Don't We have
all these different things we can drop that can destroy
bunkers deep underground. How do you harden a site the
work where it.
Speaker 4 (26:13):
The Israelis did not in their war with Iran. Contrary
to what the media is saying, none of those underground
missile cities were destroyed because the Iranians had hardened them
so well that they still have these massive bunkers of
hypersonic weapons and missiles. It's the same thing going on here.
Plus they can hide them out in the jungle. It's
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harder for us to detect. This is why the discussion
is they want to send in marines to basically verify
we're going to be able to kill these things before
they can be much of a threat to the fleet.
But of course, the fact is, all it takes is
one swarm. I mean, you know, all it takes is
one go. They don't even have to sink an American ship.
(26:55):
All we have to do is damage it sufficiently that
there's some pretty amazing photos of it that go out
on the Internet, and that sends a signal to the
rest of the world that Uncle Sam really isn't as
powerful as he once was. And then it's open season
on the United States.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Brandon again speaking with Brandon Weikert here. Politically, and I
know that's not necessarily what you and I usually talk about,
but politically, doesn't this put Donald Trump in an extreme
amount of danger? Politically because the American people, especially now,
they're kind of okay with a little foreign adventuring. If
you're dropping some bombs on Iran with no real threat
(27:34):
to our troops, no damage to our stuff, wake up
one day, we celebrate on Instagram and call it a day.
If an American sailor dies down off Venezuela, they're going
to start asking harder questions.
Speaker 4 (27:45):
Yeah, well, especially if this turns out like erupted is.
Remember Wolfowitz and Rumsfeld, they were running around telling everybody
that the invasion was going to pay for itself. We
were going to go in toppless, be greeted as liberators,
install a democracy in short order, and oh, by the way,
all the oil and natural gas would pay for the invasion.
(28:08):
Of course, none of that happened. We ended up getting
stuck holding a bag, you know, an insurgency. It was
a nightmare. It took us decade, a decade to get
out of there, and we got out of there with
our tail behind between our legs. Similarly, my concern, and
I'm not saying this will happen, but my concern is twofold. First,
Trump is clearly committed to regime change in Venezuela, and
(28:32):
I'm no lover of Maduro, happy to see him go,
but it's really a problem for us if we do
this because secondly, Maduro is mobilizing three million of his
Bolivarian militia guys. Now, there's a lot of debate in
the military kind of observing community as to how combat
effective these guys are. But even if a quarter of
(28:52):
that number is combat effective, we're talking about, you know,
another Vietnam potentially here, because we're going to try to
get out after we knock out Maduro, and we're going
to find that we kicked over a hornet's nest.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
Brandon, do you have another segment for me to talk
China and okay, we will be back with more. Brandon
Wiker to just that exactly why I wanted him to
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(30:37):
It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Thursday memory.
If you miss any part of the show, you can
download at Iheartspotify iTunes. Now let's talk Trump China trade deal.
But we have one more year now with rare Earth.
So what are the details of all this? What do
we like? What do we hate? Brandon Wiker of course
(30:57):
joins us again for this Brandon talk. I mean, we
did we do well?
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Did we do poorly?
Speaker 4 (31:03):
Well? I just want to clarify one thing because I
think I said launch site about the Cage thirty one
a in Venezuela. I've got to say the depots, because
the launch site are the air bases because they're launched
by the Russian made warplanes. But it's the depots where
they're housed. That's what I was talking about. That's why
I mentioned the Iranian mississipies. But with that, with that
(31:24):
being out of the way, the question of China US
trade war, well, this is a this is a sticky
wicked I'm getting a lot of pushback for my friends
and the mar Lago crew, because I think we got
our butts handed to us in the trade war by China,
and I think the Chinese know it, and I think
the rest of the world, notably the Global South, knows it,
(31:46):
which is breathing new life into the Bricks Alliance. Contrary
to what Trump said, it's not dead, you know. It's
the fact of the matter is China had one card
to play and they played it brilliantly, and that was
the rare earth mineral ban or the threat of a
rare earth mineral band, specifically the export controls they wanted
(32:08):
to put in on heavy rare earth minerals. That's the
stuff that we need to make everything from your laptop
to cruise missiles and everything in between. And the Chinese
control the bulk of it. And when Trump went after
them in the trade war, they said, you could tear
of us all you want, but you're not getting access
to the rare earth minerals. And now Trump realized that,
(32:29):
and that's why he's trying to cut a deal at
all costs.
Speaker 1 (32:33):
Okay, So, Brandon, how in the world do we get
to a place where the Chinese controls so much that
they have this leverage over us.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
What well, remember this is what Trump was rightly attacking
in all three of his campaigns whenever the issue of
trade came up. I mean, he's the only president in
my lifetime we talked about this seriously and had an
idea of what to do about it. The problem is
her he ran out of time, he ran out of daylight.
(33:02):
Because what happened was, going back to the nineteen seventies,
Nixon and Carter both opened up to China, and ever
since then, forty or fifty years now, both Republican and
Democratic Party presidents have systematically dismantled our own capability to
produce stuff and to mine for things here, and they
(33:22):
gave it to the Chinese. And as we shut down
here and Wall Street got rich off the shutting down
of everything, the Chinese were able to make themselves into
a industrial mega mega power or superpower. And now they've
reached kind of that critical moment where they have their
hand on the beating heart of the rare earth mineral market,
(33:44):
which is the one bottleneck that if they were to
cut us off from, we would basically go back to
the eighteenth century technologically, don't we.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Have our hand on their economic heart too, because they
need us buying things or have they found so many
new customers they don't need us as bad as they
used to need.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
Yeah, and this is the key thing here. You know,
it's not that the Chinese beat us so completely. They're
laughing that. You know, we're never going to be a factor.
You're right, they did need us to buy stuff, at
least for now, but they are finding alternative markets much
the same way the Russians are for their stuff. The
key thing here with China is the objective, right, What
(34:24):
was our objective? What was their objective? Our objective was
a lot harder to achieve. Our objective was we want
to get as much of our stuff out of China
and get our companies out of China to either return
to the United States on shoring or reshoring, or to
go to a friendly country called friendshoring where our supply
chains couldn't be disrupted and China couldn't do what they
(34:46):
were what they did ultimately to us in the trade war.
What China's objective was was a lot easier. They just
needed to hang on long enough to inflict enough pain
on our farmers and our high tech and our defense establishment,
that they would then get US to reopen trade with them,
And that is exactly what they've gotten. And so that
is why I say they won the trade war, because
(35:07):
their objectives were much more attainable, and they calculated correctly
that by squeezing us on that one issue, the rare
earth mineral issue, they could basically get us to, you know,
contort in ways I don't think Trump would have had
to do even four years ago. My friend Dan Collins,
who's done a bunch of business in China. He's a
factory guy. He builds factories for a living. He told
(35:30):
me about it two weeks ago that the reason the
tech war the trade war went better in Trump's first
term is because China depended on us for helium. You
need helium to make a lot of this technology that
China's making. So from twenty twenty until about a year ago,
China embarked on a nationwide Manhattan project to no longer
(35:51):
be dependent on the US for helium. That was our
silver bullet against them in the trade war. They took
it away from US, and they knew when Trump got
elected he was going to play the trade war card.
We didn't have the kind of vulnerability to exploit in
them that they had on us with the rare earth mineral,
which is why it's playing out the way it is now.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
Brandon, I've only got about a minute left, but I
do have to ask, because you mentioned it, why is
bricks not dead? I thought we were past all this.
Speaker 4 (36:19):
Well, because look, America looks weak right now, and they
don't like the way that we handle the dollar, or
how we weaponize it and we use it for sanctions
and whatnot. Or they're threatening to take the Sovereign Wealth
Fund of Russia, a nuclear armed superpower. So the rest
of the developing world is going, hey, if they can
do that to Russia, the Americans are going to do
it to little o' us. So we're going to align
with Russia and China because we're not going to be
(36:41):
pushed around. It's the politics of resistance, that's what you're dealing.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
With, Brandon Weikert. Go read his stuff. He writes amazing books.
By the way, Brandon, thank you, brother, I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Dang it.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
I was hoping. Look, I understand when it comes to deals.
This is why I wanted to come on today to
talk about this. China deal. I understand when it comes
to deals that not everybody, no side, is going to
be one hundred percent happy. That's part of the point
of making a deal. You're going to have to give
a little one. I'm going to have to give a
little I understand all that, and I am hopeful that
(37:18):
we will come out the back end of this well.
But we essentially the clock has begun ticking. From what
I understand about this trade deal. We don't have rare
earths for years. We have it for a year. We
have a year to figure out how to source this stuff.
If we cannot, we will technologically fall behind the other
(37:43):
superpower on the globe that wants to topple us. And
that kind of seems important, doesn't it. All Right, all right,
never fear, that's only one hour. We still have two
more hours left on an amazing Thursday. And then ask
doctor Jesse, Friday's coming tomorrow, So don't worry. Hang on
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