December 17, 2025 • 36 mins
Dan Bongino is stepping down from the FBI, what does that mean? What was it like on the ground in Rhodesia? Buddy Lilly explained.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. I'm
so nerding out right now that a half hour from
now we get to talk to a veteran of the
Rhodesian bush War. I'm having trouble staying focused.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My focus is just stay focused.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And don't shake your head.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Chris, shut up.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I love that we added that on there. That's my
new favorite SoundBite. Chris. I'm gonta text people about it. Well,
did you get that email? Chris? From the guy? Sorry,
we'll get back to politics in a minute. Somebody wrote
in an email and had his kid or his nephew
figure out how to put that. People be texting. It's
now the text notification on his phone. Chris, can you
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do that for me?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Corey? Can you? Can someone do that? Do you know
how to do that? Is it? No one knows how
to do that. We need some young people in this office.
This is the problem. We need young what Chris, don't
I have two kids? Yeah, but I worry that they're
more like me. You know what, James could probably do it.
I'll make James do it. He'll figure it out all right.
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First of all, two good things before we get back
to some other stuff. Headline, heg Seth, the Secretary of
warpteg Seth is planning a huge shakeup at the top
of military command. That is incredibly important and necessary. As
we were just discussing last hour, the long march through
the institutions. Well, the Communists didn't exempt the military from that.
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They wanted it, they knew they had to have it,
and they went and got it. They attacked our military.
We have so many commie generals, commie admirals, so many
of them throughout our service, academies now again doing what
being subversive, fighting for the revolution. Cleaning them out is
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going to be a very long, very difficult process, and
it is extremely necessary and I mean extremely necessary. So
that's a good thing, something you can feel good about.
Here's something else. The federal government has shed two hundred
and seventy one thousand jobs this year. I know we
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have concerns. I know we have things that we want done,
things that aren't being done. I get that. Then all
that stuff is legitimate. Look, I just criticized everybody yesterday. Man,
do you think we'd have gotten rid of two hundred
and seventy one thousand federal government jobs if Kamala Harris
was president. No, we would not. No, we would not.
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Now I have to play this bit because it just
makes me laugh. This is Zoran Mandani. He's the incoming
mayor of New York City talking about free busses.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We made five bus routes free in New York City.
When we made those bus routes free, after a year,
assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine
percent on the bus driver the bus drivers because unlike
the train, the act of fair collection on the bus
happens on the bus.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And they're actually going to claim that bus drivers will
get assaulted less when they make the bus free. Let's
have a little chat, shall we, before we get back
to politics. And it's ugly to have this conversation, but
(03:37):
I don't care. I'm ugly, wait on the inside. On
the inside, I'm ugly, So let's have it. Access access
is it's one of those things you need to monitor
in life. And if you ever find yourself in a
place that lets everybody in, you will find the biggest
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bunch of scumbags and low lifes in your area every
single time. If you want to get me to not
go somewhere, and you know I'm cheap. I'm not Jewish
producer Chris cheap, but I'm cheap. If you want to
guarantee that I will not go somewhere, make it free
or and I've learned this lesson after forty four years,
you're just gonna have to trust me. Or half priced Day.
(04:23):
They have this place here locally, and it's one of
these kind of kids paradise places. They're all over the country,
so you have one close to you as well that
has a bowling and laser tag and arcade games and pizza.
You know, it's kids paradise. Of course, we walked in
that we had been there before. It took the boys there.
Then it was a Wednesday, I believe. We went there
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with the boys and it was more scumbags and ghetto
trash than you've ever seen in your entire life. Couldn't
figure it out until we walked up to buy our
tickets and they said, oh, hey, it's half priced Day.
I'm glad you're here. They're going to make the buses
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free in New York City and it's going to be
so freaking bad. It's just there's nothing these people cannot ruin.
It's absolutely nothing these people cannot ruin. All right, now,
I'm going to play something for you. It's ihan Omar,
and I love that she's in so much pain right now.
(05:28):
I mean, this is about by the way, this is
about Trump's new travel band. He added a bunch of
more Muslim countries to the travel band.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I mean, the biggest worry of the new executive order
is that it does separate families. It doesn't create an
exception for you as citizens to have their family members
be able to come visit and celebrate milestones with them.
And so this is a very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh well, let me clarify. We don't want your family
members here. We don't want them to visit. We certainly
don't want them to live here. I don't want to
smell a single one of ilhan Omar's family members. In fact,
if I ever take power in this country, ilhan Omar
in all of her family will not just be banned
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from this country. I'll deport anybody they know who's in
the country. That's how bad it's going to be one day.
But again, the communists understand who's the bread and butter
of their revolution. Here's Steve Cohen.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They're arresting people simply for the offense of being in
the country illegally. It's not right, but it's not necessarily
something that should cause deportation when they are not committee
crimes and they are contributing to the economy.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So that's a concern we have. They're arresting and deporting
people for being in the country illegally. That is a
controversial position for the modern Democrat Party. Oh, he had
more to say.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Memphis is not an immigration center of crimes. And most
of the people that are there that are immigrants, even
if they come into the country illegally, them are working
legally and doing a lot of important work in Memphis
and construction industry, the tourism industry, and they're necessary and needed.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They just prefer foreigners over you. It's pregernorrible, fringnorable. Hey, Jesse,
thanks for the outstanding Another outstanding history lesson, this time
about the Rhodesian Bush War. I am so disappointed in
the West, especially the US, for failing to support Rhodesia
against the black communist factions. I understand now why my
long education never included this disgraceful debacle. Of a pop
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prosperous nation. Yeah, that's why. Look, that's why your school
teachers never taught you about Rhodesia because they were on
the side of the communist terrorists who were butchering people.
They were on the side they viewed them as as
their kinsmen, the communist terrorists who destroyed a once beautiful,
prosperous country. I know it's hard to accept, but there's
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a good chance your history teacher wants to do the
exact same thing here and will do anything in his
or her power to make that happen. It's a terrible
state of affairs. But this is why this stuff doesn't
get taught in schools. Jesse. This is about healthcare costs.
I now pay twenty seven thousand dollars a year for
good coverage for my family. Good grief, My pot is
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simmering and about to boil. The whole system seems so
messed up, from the hospitals to the drug companies to
the insurance providers. Can this ever get fixed? Are there
ways to opt out of the system and into something
that will cover a family without paying extra for abortions
and trans grap and illegals. Paying for healthcare is now
a full time job. It is unbelievable what health insurance
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now costs in this country. I can only tell you
what I've looked into, Okay, and I'm not an expert,
so I haven't done it right. What I've looked into
getting out of the insurance run medical industry, meaning concierge medicine.
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And it sounds expensive, and it is expensive, there's no
question about it. But it's not that much more expensive
than having health insurance now. And that number is going
to get better as more and more people chafe against
the health insurance industry, which, of course the government screwed up.
Remember it's not the insurance companies. It was all this
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Obamacare exchanges and everything else that's screwed it up, that
screwed up our health insurance industry. Now there are doctors
in doctor's offices and there's change of these things now,
multiple chains across the country that do concierge medicine, which
means no insurance. You'd pay something like a monthly fee
or something like that. But what I've warned about repeatedly
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and what you can totally see happening now, is this
is going to make good healthcare only something rich people
get and that was previously not like that in the country.
The last time I had to go to the hospital,
I was mortified, not just by the conditions by the staff.
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Were there some lovely nurses, of course? Was there a
good doctor? I don't know. None of the ones I saw.
It was a bunch of dirt balls, rude, dumb, free, terrible,
bad state of affairs. Now, speaking of which, let's focus
on being drug free, shall we. I mean, when we're
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Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on
a magnificent Wednesday hop Day. And you can email us
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Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Ten minutes away from
our veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War. Can't wait to
talk to him. But let me go ahead and address
the elephant in the room. So Dan Bongino, Deputy Director
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of the FBI. Dan Bongino came out today. There were
rumors swirling already, but he came out today, made it official.
Trump kind of let the cat out of the bag.
I think he's leaving. Dan said, hey January, I'm leaving,
And a bunch of people were asking my thoughts on
it and say, no, I know Dan. So hey, Chris,
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if you wouldn't mind, I would like to hear what
I said back in July. So here it is. Do
you remember what I told you about Dan Bongino and
the FBI. But I wake up every day and I
look at my phone for maybe a text message or
maybe just a headline Dan Bongino stepping down. If Dan
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Bongino steps down, especially if it's over the next year,
it can't be saved. He doesn't believe he can save
it because he's not gonna sit there and do nothing.
If he throws his hands up and says screw it on,
that'll tell you it can't be fixed. I don't know
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all of his reasons. I don't know. Maybe he just
misses being you know, on the radio or wherever he's
going to go back to. He's going to be a
huge success wherever he goes back to. I don't know
all his reasons. But I told you a long time
ago that was my concern. My concern is that that
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institution I was about to call it organization, that that
institution is far beyond saving. That it is such a
criminal institution now after years and years of communist and filtration,
it is such a criminal institution that maybe you can
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nibble a little on the edges here and nibble a
little on the edges there. And obviously you can do
some good things. I mean, the only reason we have
the pipe bomber now is because Bongino, right, you can
do so good things, but all you can do is
nibble around the edges, because at its core it is
an evil, communist criminal organization, and I do not believe
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it can be fixed. I don't It should be defunded,
disbanded in its entirety. It should, And as I've said
many many times before, I believe that the FBI will
be one of the main driving forces between whatever you
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want to call it, secession, rebellion, something in the future
in this country, because the Communists are going to keep
sending FBI agents into states, into people's homes, They're going
to keep sending swat teams to arrest pastors, and one
day some red states may actually get some guts and
say no, you're not allowed to come in. No, you're
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not allowed to do this, And that is going to
put a state versus the federal government. And it's easy
to see how that could kick the whole thing off.
We we can't take half measures with communist institutions. We
want to I want to do with the right word
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of it. You cannot take half measures with communist institutions.
By the way, Chris, what are the are these shekels
you put on my thing? What are these things? Is? This is
what you people call shekels? Is that what it is? What?
Playing with the drad ol? What's a dradol? Again, Chris,
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I didn't. You don't have to insult me like I
know everything. I didn't. I know my campaign manager was Jewish.
I didn't go over the whole Torah with him. I
don't know everything about everything. Okay, you know he did
not well, I mean no, I didn't get invited to
any holidays. Definitely not after the time I asked him
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if Matza ball soup had mozzarella in it. I was
always under the impression that it did. He was mortified.
He thought, what did he say? I think he said
to me, that's the most goy thing I've ever heard
in my entire life. I don't care. His mother loved me.
She was an angel. What, Chris, Matza ball soup sucks.
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I know all your food sucks, but I'm sorry. And
by the way, don't sell me on the potato cake things.
Everybody else does that too. You can't claim that you
people can't claim that bagels are admittedly phenomenal, A good
I'll make this argument, A good everything bagel with bacon, egg,
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and cheese on it. What Chris Oh yeah, I forgot.
You can't eat some of that and a little bit
of mayo or miracle whip if you want to class
it up a little bit. That is the best breakfast
on the planet. It's better than biscuits and gravy sped
than waffles. It's better than anything else you can come
up with. A good It's better than steak and eggs, Chris,
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A good, A good bacon, egg and cheese, baker. You
wouldn't know because you're from Texas, buddy, and I know
you're Jewish, but the Jewish food sucks here. Actually, you
do make good bagels. I take that back, so maybe
you would know. Now you don't know much about bacon,
egg and cheese, not like I do, but maybe you
can have like goat, egg and cheese. What Goat's not bad, Chris,
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It's really not bad anyway. Jewish food's terrible, Buddy, It's
just dreadful, dreadful. That great comedian Sebastian Maniscalo has he's
obviously Italian, has a hilarious stand up routine about that,
making it basically bragging about Italian food and making fun
of Jewish food. I think his name you've never heard
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of Aim Sebastian Maniscalo. He's got eight thousand TV specials
out there. He's really really funny. Hey, I have no
idea why I'm talking about this right now. Oh, it's
because of the shekels you put here that say Happy
Hanukah on them, and apparently there's chocolate in here or
something like that. But thanks for the shekels, Chris. Now,
let's go talk to a veteran of the Rhodesian Bush
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War next. This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is
the Jesse Kelly Show. Chris Buddy picked this song. I
like this guy already. It's freaking awesome. So obviously, as
we've been discussing over the past week, I did a
multi part thing on the Rhodesian Bush War. But I'm
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just a dumb American from Ohio. I'm a white trash
kid from Ohio. What do I know about the Rhodesian
Bush War? Just what I read? Right. I'm blessed enough
that we had someone reach out to the show who
knew someone who was there, a veteran of the Rhodesian
Bush War who will's probably forgotten much more about it
than I will ever know. And I thought it would
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just be a wonderful perspective. Now, allow me to introduce
Buddy Lily, Rhodesian veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War. Buddy,
but before we get into the war and everything, tell
me about Rhodesia pre war. Tell me about your family.
What'd you do there?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I grew up on a farm, HOCKI. I was the
original gomer pile they've done, a dairy farm. Never went
anywhere until I went to Paras Island.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How about that? Now you're a farm boy, you go
to Paris Island, then you end up in Rhodesia. How
does that happen?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well? No, No, I went into Marines. I did my
four years. Liked it. I liked the Marines. I had
a good time faut the twenty six Marines a Queson.
I went back flue helicopters when HTMM won sixty one
as a gunner. I was quite a change from being
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a ground founder and division but it was all good.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now we can't just fast forward past being a freaking
marine in Quaison. Tell us about Kaison.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Do you ever go up there? It's beautiful? I don't.
When I landed there August sixty seven, when I got
off the plane, I looked around and for those that
are listening to an events that's been there, it was dark,
kind of foggy, but it's beautiful right on the the
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ocean border. And I was there almost seven months, and
I was lucky enough to have been all gone all
the way out to Long Vay, which was the special
Forces camp that got overrun during the fight, and it
was just beautiful territory. I mean, that's all all I
can say now.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The fight itself, it's hard for me to explain to
people what it's like when an artillery round of any
kind lands close to you. I have attempted to explain
it had happened to me in Iraq, but someone at
Qua San would know far more about it than I
would tell people about what it's like to be under
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artillery fire.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
From my own personal perspective. To your pardon my language,
the pucker factor goes up. That was not the first
time I had been under artillery or rocket fire, been
there a couple of times up in dog Huh. Really
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caught it up there, I thought. But when they started
hitting us at Kasan, which would have been January twenty first,
they were so accurate it was scary. The base is
not very big. You can go online and look at it.
It's not a big base. And what you listen for
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is your guys shooting back. That gives you a little
bit of satisfaction because when you're down there in the
hole and there's nothing you can do, but when your
guns go off, and that would be the thirteenth Marines
when they started returning fire, it really felt good.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
M Yeah, it feels good to give it back to them. So,
I know it's kind of a dumb question, but how
does one even sleep when you are surrounded by the enemy.
You know you're surrounded, things are exploding all the time.
How do you even get any shut high? Did you?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yes, it's I'm sure there's the other guys that have
been the same situation. But you get to the point
you're tired, and I would I had an M sixty
and I had an outside fighting hole right at the
flight line of the runway, and I would pull a
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poncho over me in the M sixty and sit on
the two cases of ramo and bring the gun up
close to me, and when the pancho had the top
tied off, if the fog would miss were just like
being in rain, and I'm sleep like a baby.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I forgot what it was like to be that's freaking tired.
All right. Now, for the reason you're joining us again,
we're speaking to Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian Bush
War and obviously the Vietnam War as well. Buddy, how
do you end up in Rhodesia?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I do not want to sound too corny, but one
thing I missed was the camaraderie of the military. And
after I got to reading about it what was going on,
I said, crap, you know this is a real thing.
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It's bad guys over there. And I said, okay, I'm
going to do this. Let's do it now. I had
missed the seventy three war in Israel because it didn't
last very long, and I'd been so used to traveling
with as without a passport because I worked for the Fan. Well,
first thing I did after the Israeli war was get
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a passport, duh. And I just one day woke up
and said, okay, that's it. I said, I'm out of here.
I should have gone about a year and a half earlier.
My dad had passed away and I had responsibilities here
and by then everything was good. Had my mom taken
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care of bills for all data, didn't know nothing anymore
and just wanted to get over there and get into
it all right, so that it doesn't sound too goofy.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Doesn't sound goofy at all. I just had them meet
up with my marine buddies last year because I missed
the camaraderie. It's nothing goofy about at all. Anybody who's
been in that knows exactly what you're talking about. Now
we'll try to walk through this step by step overview wise. First,
what is Rhodesh What is the state of the war
when Buddy Lily gets there?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Not good?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Pardon sir?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This would be September of seventy nine. Okay, they were
still fighting and they were still winning the sas and
a light infantry would do it a lot of raids
over in mosam Beak, which I would tell the readers
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that are interested to they can find some books on
it to read on it. These guys were really good
of what they did on the incursions in the Mosambique,
but they were still hitting when I got there because
we had a safetunse where we kept our gear at
and I was walking in there one day and two
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aircraft came over so low, and this nice lady that
was there noticed, Oh, they're going to Mosam Beach, you know,
just like that, It like it was no big deal.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh my goodness. Okay, So, buddy, if you don't mind,
if I'm just so grateful you're giving us your time
before I start to dig into you, the training, when
you got there, everything else. I have to go to
what commercial break, and then we'll come back and we'll
talk some more about this if you have time. You
had some more time for me.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Buddy, Yes, sir, I'm here as long as you want me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Thank you so much. Man, Buddy Lily veteran of the
Rhodesian Bush War, gonna come break some more of it
down for us. I scannot believe how much this topic
has taken off with you. So look I love it too.
I'm geeking out over here. I told Jewish producer Chris
before the show even started. I told him, I'm just
gonna nerd out. I can't believe we have an actual
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veteran of the war here to talk about it. Anyway.
Before we get to that, let me do remind you
that our dogs die too early in this country. They
die too early because we give them. What what do
you feed your dog? Same thing? I feed my dog
dog food. Let me guess what color the food is
you give your dog? Let me guess is it brown? Huh?
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Why is it all brown? The dog? Get together and
just decide on a color. It's all brown because it's dead.
Brown things are dead. They roast that stuff so high
and at such a high temperature at the factory, all
the nutrients is gone, cook it all out of it.
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Jesse Kelly DC. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on
a magnificent, magnificent Wednesday, a hump day, and we are
still joined by Buddy Lilly, veteran of the Rhodesian Bushwar
and Vietnam United States marine. All right, buddy, we kind
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of fast forward through something that actually I'm curious about.
You wanted the camaraderie. You wanted to go fight the
bad guys in Rhodesia, but I would venture to get
you didn't just buy a plane ticket and show up
and knock on, knock on someone's door over there? How
does that work? Do you get? How does it work
to even get recruited? How did you get signed up?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Jesse? You don't know how close you just came. I didn't.
I had been in touch with the recruiter from the
Light Infantry sometime before that. But when I decided to go,
I went and bought a ticket, loading my bags up,
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went on over and when I landed there, I said,
well I'm here. Now what am I gonna do? And
you were? You hit it just about on the head.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You so whose door did you knock on? Buddy?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Let me sell you this on a serious, serious note.
The Rhodesian people are the most polite you'll ever meet.
On the plane. I was, well, I flew from just
for information not to be born you, but from New York.
He had to fly into Yoburg and then they would
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push you on air Rhodesia, and when I got to
Yoberg gentlemen came over to me and I said, oh,
this is not good. He said, we've got your bag, sir.
They're a little heavy, but we're going to load them
for you. Go right ahead. I kid you not, sir,
and he said their head and I said they're tools.
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He said, I understand. And I got on a plane.
I sat next to the Rhodesian gentleman who was coming
back from Canada, and we had a wonderful talk. He
filled me in on things and offered me his home
to stay at, gave me his telephone number when we
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got to where we land is in Salisbury. When we
landed there, he took me to a hotel. He said,
if you don't like this, please call me. And I
was just I just said, gee, this is it's like
being in the country in the USA. These people are
so friendly and polite. The other first person I met
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was the customs guy with a big grin says, you
want to join the army? I said, I just got here.
Can you give me a break? And I really was
like that. Everybody was just helpful. That's all I can
tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, so you get yourself checked in at the Rhodesian
Best Western or whatever hotel you were checked in at,
not quite close. Where do you go then? Do you
go have a night or two out on the town
chasing down Rhodesian women? Do you what's next?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, the gentleman from the customs gave me his number
and asked me to give him a call. As it was,
they only lived about six or eight blocks from the
hotel I was at, which was not a flea bag.
It was okay, but it was not the Monabatapa which
I could see across the town, which I couldn't afford,
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thank you, but it was nice. So I called this
gentleman up, walked to their house and you got to imagine,
now this is downtown Saal, very beautiful town was and
I'm carrying AR in my back. Nobody ship at fact
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that it's an AR, and they don't see AR fifteen. They
don't see too many of them. But I looked around
and said, gee, everybody's carrying guns around here. I mean, seriously,
I'm not exaggerating a whole lot. And anyway, I got
to this gentleman's house and his girlfriend were for the courts.
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The criminal Investigation division. So she sent me over to
see one of the supervisors the next day, who one
a scale one to ten was about eight and a half.
But she sent me to a couple places for interviews.
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I mean, I'm on my second day there. This is
how fast things were moving. And I was offered a
couple jobs, and I did not feel comfortable taking a
couple of them because I didn't know the AO, I
didn't know all the customs. The responsibility I would have
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had did not line up with my knowledge of the country.
If you know where I'm coming from. So I ended
up going to work for Well. I had an interview
with Anglo American, which was a pretty big corporation, and
went to work for the Forest Management Service. The gentleman
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in charge, the big boss, took me to his house
for lunch. I was just flabbergasted. I know it sounds crazy,
but gave me a long talk, took me down, made
sure my driver's license would be okay in Rhodesia. Should
be it the office at one o'clock you're going out
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on a convoy. And next thing I knew, I was hired.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, So we're gonna pause before we get to the convoy.
This is something actually I did not tell everyone. When
I was discussing the Rhodesian Bush War. You brought it up.
I've seen the pictures of it. That the women would
walk around with weapons. It was such a dangerous place
that just everybody was armed.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Did you see that, Yes, sir, I mean he didn't
always do it, but it wasn't unusual to pass somebody
with a you know, with an fal on their back.
Everybody over there had to be a citizen soldier or female.
You did not know when or if mcgobby's boys were
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gonna pop in there and do something. They weren't as
bad as the terrorist star nowadays. They didn't hit the
big city as much, but you had to be prepared anyway,
and those people were prepared some of the later on one
of the hotels. And I'm Tolly where I worked out of. Oh,
I forgot to tell you that much, Huh, I forgot something.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, it's okay, buddy. It's because we're about to take
a break, and then when we get back, you're gonna
tell us everything. Because I'm just gonna continue to bore
you with questions because I'm so fascinated right now I'm
so excited. Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian bush War,
as promised, is here giving us as time killing it.
By the way, Buddy cannot tell you how much I
appreciate this. So we are going to take a little
(36:04):
quick break. When we come back, I know this is
the next hour. Buddy, Lily's gonna give us some more wisdom.
Hang on,
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show. I'm
so nerding out right now that a half hour from
now we get to talk to a veteran of the
Rhodesian bush War. I'm having trouble staying focused.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
My focus is just stay focused.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
And don't shake your head.
Speaker 3 (00:31):
Chris, shut up.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
I love that we added that on there. That's my
new favorite SoundBite. Chris. I'm gonta text people about it. Well,
did you get that email? Chris? From the guy? Sorry,
we'll get back to politics in a minute. Somebody wrote
in an email and had his kid or his nephew
figure out how to put that. People be texting. It's
now the text notification on his phone. Chris, can you
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do that for me?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Do you know what?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Corey? Can you? Can someone do that? Do you know
how to do that? Is it? No one knows how
to do that. We need some young people in this office.
This is the problem. We need young what Chris, don't
I have two kids? Yeah, but I worry that they're
more like me. You know what, James could probably do it.
I'll make James do it. He'll figure it out all right.
(01:21):
First of all, two good things before we get back
to some other stuff. Headline, heg Seth, the Secretary of
warpteg Seth is planning a huge shakeup at the top
of military command. That is incredibly important and necessary. As
we were just discussing last hour, the long march through
the institutions. Well, the Communists didn't exempt the military from that.
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They wanted it, they knew they had to have it,
and they went and got it. They attacked our military.
We have so many commie generals, commie admirals, so many
of them throughout our service, academies now again doing what
being subversive, fighting for the revolution. Cleaning them out is
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going to be a very long, very difficult process, and
it is extremely necessary and I mean extremely necessary. So
that's a good thing, something you can feel good about.
Here's something else. The federal government has shed two hundred
and seventy one thousand jobs this year. I know we
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have concerns. I know we have things that we want done,
things that aren't being done. I get that. Then all
that stuff is legitimate. Look, I just criticized everybody yesterday. Man,
do you think we'd have gotten rid of two hundred
and seventy one thousand federal government jobs if Kamala Harris
was president. No, we would not. No, we would not.
(02:47):
Now I have to play this bit because it just
makes me laugh. This is Zoran Mandani. He's the incoming
mayor of New York City talking about free busses.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
We made five bus routes free in New York City.
When we made those bus routes free, after a year,
assaults on bus drivers dropped by thirty eight point nine
percent on the bus driver the bus drivers because unlike
the train, the act of fair collection on the bus
happens on the bus.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
And they're actually going to claim that bus drivers will
get assaulted less when they make the bus free. Let's
have a little chat, shall we, before we get back
to politics. And it's ugly to have this conversation, but
(03:37):
I don't care. I'm ugly, wait on the inside. On
the inside, I'm ugly, So let's have it. Access access
is it's one of those things you need to monitor
in life. And if you ever find yourself in a
place that lets everybody in, you will find the biggest
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bunch of scumbags and low lifes in your area every
single time. If you want to get me to not
go somewhere, and you know I'm cheap. I'm not Jewish
producer Chris cheap, but I'm cheap. If you want to
guarantee that I will not go somewhere, make it free
or and I've learned this lesson after forty four years,
you're just gonna have to trust me. Or half priced Day.
(04:23):
They have this place here locally, and it's one of
these kind of kids paradise places. They're all over the country,
so you have one close to you as well that
has a bowling and laser tag and arcade games and pizza.
You know, it's kids paradise. Of course, we walked in
that we had been there before. It took the boys there.
Then it was a Wednesday, I believe. We went there
(04:46):
with the boys and it was more scumbags and ghetto
trash than you've ever seen in your entire life. Couldn't
figure it out until we walked up to buy our
tickets and they said, oh, hey, it's half priced Day.
I'm glad you're here. They're going to make the buses
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free in New York City and it's going to be
so freaking bad. It's just there's nothing these people cannot ruin.
It's absolutely nothing these people cannot ruin. All right, now,
I'm going to play something for you. It's ihan Omar,
and I love that she's in so much pain right now.
(05:28):
I mean, this is about by the way, this is
about Trump's new travel band. He added a bunch of
more Muslim countries to the travel band.
Speaker 5 (05:34):
I mean, the biggest worry of the new executive order
is that it does separate families. It doesn't create an
exception for you as citizens to have their family members
be able to come visit and celebrate milestones with them.
And so this is a very cool.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Oh well, let me clarify. We don't want your family
members here. We don't want them to visit. We certainly
don't want them to live here. I don't want to
smell a single one of ilhan Omar's family members. In fact,
if I ever take power in this country, ilhan Omar
in all of her family will not just be banned
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from this country. I'll deport anybody they know who's in
the country. That's how bad it's going to be one day.
But again, the communists understand who's the bread and butter
of their revolution. Here's Steve Cohen.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
They're arresting people simply for the offense of being in
the country illegally. It's not right, but it's not necessarily
something that should cause deportation when they are not committee
crimes and they are contributing to the economy.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
So that's a concern we have. They're arresting and deporting
people for being in the country illegally. That is a
controversial position for the modern Democrat Party. Oh, he had
more to say.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
Memphis is not an immigration center of crimes. And most
of the people that are there that are immigrants, even
if they come into the country illegally, them are working
legally and doing a lot of important work in Memphis
and construction industry, the tourism industry, and they're necessary and needed.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
They just prefer foreigners over you. It's pregernorrible, fringnorable. Hey, Jesse,
thanks for the outstanding Another outstanding history lesson, this time
about the Rhodesian Bush War. I am so disappointed in
the West, especially the US, for failing to support Rhodesia
against the black communist factions. I understand now why my
long education never included this disgraceful debacle. Of a pop
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prosperous nation. Yeah, that's why. Look, that's why your school
teachers never taught you about Rhodesia because they were on
the side of the communist terrorists who were butchering people.
They were on the side they viewed them as as
their kinsmen, the communist terrorists who destroyed a once beautiful,
prosperous country. I know it's hard to accept, but there's
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a good chance your history teacher wants to do the
exact same thing here and will do anything in his
or her power to make that happen. It's a terrible
state of affairs. But this is why this stuff doesn't
get taught in schools. Jesse. This is about healthcare costs.
I now pay twenty seven thousand dollars a year for
good coverage for my family. Good grief, My pot is
(08:18):
simmering and about to boil. The whole system seems so
messed up, from the hospitals to the drug companies to
the insurance providers. Can this ever get fixed? Are there
ways to opt out of the system and into something
that will cover a family without paying extra for abortions
and trans grap and illegals. Paying for healthcare is now
a full time job. It is unbelievable what health insurance
(08:43):
now costs in this country. I can only tell you
what I've looked into, Okay, and I'm not an expert,
so I haven't done it right. What I've looked into
getting out of the insurance run medical industry, meaning concierge medicine.
(09:03):
And it sounds expensive, and it is expensive, there's no
question about it. But it's not that much more expensive
than having health insurance now. And that number is going
to get better as more and more people chafe against
the health insurance industry, which, of course the government screwed up.
Remember it's not the insurance companies. It was all this
(09:24):
Obamacare exchanges and everything else that's screwed it up, that
screwed up our health insurance industry. Now there are doctors
in doctor's offices and there's change of these things now,
multiple chains across the country that do concierge medicine, which
means no insurance. You'd pay something like a monthly fee
or something like that. But what I've warned about repeatedly
(09:46):
and what you can totally see happening now, is this
is going to make good healthcare only something rich people
get and that was previously not like that in the country.
The last time I had to go to the hospital,
I was mortified, not just by the conditions by the staff.
(10:09):
Were there some lovely nurses, of course? Was there a
good doctor? I don't know. None of the ones I saw.
It was a bunch of dirt balls, rude, dumb, free, terrible,
bad state of affairs. Now, speaking of which, let's focus
on being drug free, shall we. I mean, when we're
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Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Show on
a magnificent Wednesday hop Day. And you can email us
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Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Ten minutes away from
our veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War. Can't wait to
talk to him. But let me go ahead and address
the elephant in the room. So Dan Bongino, Deputy Director
(12:00):
of the FBI. Dan Bongino came out today. There were
rumors swirling already, but he came out today, made it official.
Trump kind of let the cat out of the bag.
I think he's leaving. Dan said, hey January, I'm leaving,
And a bunch of people were asking my thoughts on
it and say, no, I know Dan. So hey, Chris,
(12:22):
if you wouldn't mind, I would like to hear what
I said back in July. So here it is. Do
you remember what I told you about Dan Bongino and
the FBI. But I wake up every day and I
look at my phone for maybe a text message or
maybe just a headline Dan Bongino stepping down. If Dan
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Bongino steps down, especially if it's over the next year,
it can't be saved. He doesn't believe he can save
it because he's not gonna sit there and do nothing.
If he throws his hands up and says screw it on,
that'll tell you it can't be fixed. I don't know
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all of his reasons. I don't know. Maybe he just
misses being you know, on the radio or wherever he's
going to go back to. He's going to be a
huge success wherever he goes back to. I don't know
all his reasons. But I told you a long time
ago that was my concern. My concern is that that
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institution I was about to call it organization, that that
institution is far beyond saving. That it is such a
criminal institution now after years and years of communist and filtration,
it is such a criminal institution that maybe you can
(13:49):
nibble a little on the edges here and nibble a
little on the edges there. And obviously you can do
some good things. I mean, the only reason we have
the pipe bomber now is because Bongino, right, you can
do so good things, but all you can do is
nibble around the edges, because at its core it is
an evil, communist criminal organization, and I do not believe
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it can be fixed. I don't It should be defunded,
disbanded in its entirety. It should, And as I've said
many many times before, I believe that the FBI will
be one of the main driving forces between whatever you
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want to call it, secession, rebellion, something in the future
in this country, because the Communists are going to keep
sending FBI agents into states, into people's homes, They're going
to keep sending swat teams to arrest pastors, and one
day some red states may actually get some guts and
say no, you're not allowed to come in. No, you're
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not allowed to do this, And that is going to
put a state versus the federal government. And it's easy
to see how that could kick the whole thing off.
We we can't take half measures with communist institutions. We
want to I want to do with the right word
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of it. You cannot take half measures with communist institutions.
By the way, Chris, what are the are these shekels
you put on my thing? What are these things? Is? This is
what you people call shekels? Is that what it is? What?
Playing with the drad ol? What's a dradol? Again, Chris,
(15:39):
I didn't. You don't have to insult me like I
know everything. I didn't. I know my campaign manager was Jewish.
I didn't go over the whole Torah with him. I
don't know everything about everything. Okay, you know he did
not well, I mean no, I didn't get invited to
any holidays. Definitely not after the time I asked him
(16:01):
if Matza ball soup had mozzarella in it. I was
always under the impression that it did. He was mortified.
He thought, what did he say? I think he said
to me, that's the most goy thing I've ever heard
in my entire life. I don't care. His mother loved me.
She was an angel. What, Chris, Matza ball soup sucks.
(16:21):
I know all your food sucks, but I'm sorry. And
by the way, don't sell me on the potato cake things.
Everybody else does that too. You can't claim that you
people can't claim that bagels are admittedly phenomenal, A good
I'll make this argument, A good everything bagel with bacon, egg,
(16:44):
and cheese on it. What Chris Oh yeah, I forgot.
You can't eat some of that and a little bit
of mayo or miracle whip if you want to class
it up a little bit. That is the best breakfast
on the planet. It's better than biscuits and gravy sped
than waffles. It's better than anything else you can come
up with. A good It's better than steak and eggs, Chris,
(17:06):
A good, A good bacon, egg and cheese, baker. You
wouldn't know because you're from Texas, buddy, and I know
you're Jewish, but the Jewish food sucks here. Actually, you
do make good bagels. I take that back, so maybe
you would know. Now you don't know much about bacon,
egg and cheese, not like I do, but maybe you
can have like goat, egg and cheese. What Goat's not bad, Chris,
(17:30):
It's really not bad anyway. Jewish food's terrible, Buddy, It's
just dreadful, dreadful. That great comedian Sebastian Maniscalo has he's
obviously Italian, has a hilarious stand up routine about that,
making it basically bragging about Italian food and making fun
of Jewish food. I think his name you've never heard
(17:51):
of Aim Sebastian Maniscalo. He's got eight thousand TV specials
out there. He's really really funny. Hey, I have no
idea why I'm talking about this right now. Oh, it's
because of the shekels you put here that say Happy
Hanukah on them, and apparently there's chocolate in here or
something like that. But thanks for the shekels, Chris. Now,
let's go talk to a veteran of the Rhodesian Bush
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War next. This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is
the Jesse Kelly Show. Chris Buddy picked this song. I
like this guy already. It's freaking awesome. So obviously, as
we've been discussing over the past week, I did a
multi part thing on the Rhodesian Bush War. But I'm
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just a dumb American from Ohio. I'm a white trash
kid from Ohio. What do I know about the Rhodesian
Bush War? Just what I read? Right. I'm blessed enough
that we had someone reach out to the show who
knew someone who was there, a veteran of the Rhodesian
Bush War who will's probably forgotten much more about it
than I will ever know. And I thought it would
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just be a wonderful perspective. Now, allow me to introduce
Buddy Lily, Rhodesian veteran of the Rhodesian Bush War. Buddy,
but before we get into the war and everything, tell
me about Rhodesia pre war. Tell me about your family.
What'd you do there?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I grew up on a farm, HOCKI. I was the
original gomer pile they've done, a dairy farm. Never went
anywhere until I went to Paras Island.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
How about that? Now you're a farm boy, you go
to Paris Island, then you end up in Rhodesia. How
does that happen?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
Well? No, No, I went into Marines. I did my
four years. Liked it. I liked the Marines. I had
a good time faut the twenty six Marines a Queson.
I went back flue helicopters when HTMM won sixty one
as a gunner. I was quite a change from being
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a ground founder and division but it was all good.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Now we can't just fast forward past being a freaking
marine in Quaison. Tell us about Kaison.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Do you ever go up there? It's beautiful? I don't.
When I landed there August sixty seven, when I got
off the plane, I looked around and for those that
are listening to an events that's been there, it was dark,
kind of foggy, but it's beautiful right on the the
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ocean border. And I was there almost seven months, and
I was lucky enough to have been all gone all
the way out to Long Vay, which was the special
Forces camp that got overrun during the fight, and it
was just beautiful territory. I mean, that's all all I
can say now.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
The fight itself, it's hard for me to explain to
people what it's like when an artillery round of any
kind lands close to you. I have attempted to explain
it had happened to me in Iraq, but someone at
Qua San would know far more about it than I
would tell people about what it's like to be under
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artillery fire.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
From my own personal perspective. To your pardon my language,
the pucker factor goes up. That was not the first
time I had been under artillery or rocket fire, been
there a couple of times up in dog Huh. Really
(21:47):
caught it up there, I thought. But when they started
hitting us at Kasan, which would have been January twenty first,
they were so accurate it was scary. The base is
not very big. You can go online and look at it.
It's not a big base. And what you listen for
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is your guys shooting back. That gives you a little
bit of satisfaction because when you're down there in the
hole and there's nothing you can do, but when your
guns go off, and that would be the thirteenth Marines
when they started returning fire, it really felt good.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
M Yeah, it feels good to give it back to them. So,
I know it's kind of a dumb question, but how
does one even sleep when you are surrounded by the enemy.
You know you're surrounded, things are exploding all the time.
How do you even get any shut high? Did you?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yes, it's I'm sure there's the other guys that have
been the same situation. But you get to the point
you're tired, and I would I had an M sixty
and I had an outside fighting hole right at the
flight line of the runway, and I would pull a
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poncho over me in the M sixty and sit on
the two cases of ramo and bring the gun up
close to me, and when the pancho had the top
tied off, if the fog would miss were just like
being in rain, and I'm sleep like a baby.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
I forgot what it was like to be that's freaking tired.
All right. Now, for the reason you're joining us again,
we're speaking to Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian Bush
War and obviously the Vietnam War as well. Buddy, how
do you end up in Rhodesia?
Speaker 2 (23:54):
I do not want to sound too corny, but one
thing I missed was the camaraderie of the military. And
after I got to reading about it what was going on,
I said, crap, you know this is a real thing.
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It's bad guys over there. And I said, okay, I'm
going to do this. Let's do it now. I had
missed the seventy three war in Israel because it didn't
last very long, and I'd been so used to traveling
with as without a passport because I worked for the Fan. Well,
first thing I did after the Israeli war was get
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a passport, duh. And I just one day woke up
and said, okay, that's it. I said, I'm out of here.
I should have gone about a year and a half earlier.
My dad had passed away and I had responsibilities here
and by then everything was good. Had my mom taken
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care of bills for all data, didn't know nothing anymore
and just wanted to get over there and get into
it all right, so that it doesn't sound too goofy.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Doesn't sound goofy at all. I just had them meet
up with my marine buddies last year because I missed
the camaraderie. It's nothing goofy about at all. Anybody who's
been in that knows exactly what you're talking about. Now
we'll try to walk through this step by step overview wise. First,
what is Rhodesh What is the state of the war
when Buddy Lily gets there?
Speaker 2 (25:34):
Not good?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (25:39):
Pardon sir?
Speaker 1 (25:40):
What year is this?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
This would be September of seventy nine. Okay, they were
still fighting and they were still winning the sas and
a light infantry would do it a lot of raids
over in mosam Beak, which I would tell the readers
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that are interested to they can find some books on
it to read on it. These guys were really good
of what they did on the incursions in the Mosambique,
but they were still hitting when I got there because
we had a safetunse where we kept our gear at
and I was walking in there one day and two
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aircraft came over so low, and this nice lady that
was there noticed, Oh, they're going to Mosam Beach, you know,
just like that, It like it was no big deal.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh my goodness. Okay, So, buddy, if you don't mind,
if I'm just so grateful you're giving us your time
before I start to dig into you, the training, when
you got there, everything else. I have to go to
what commercial break, and then we'll come back and we'll
talk some more about this if you have time. You
had some more time for me.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
Buddy, Yes, sir, I'm here as long as you want me.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Thank you so much. Man, Buddy Lily veteran of the
Rhodesian Bush War, gonna come break some more of it
down for us. I scannot believe how much this topic
has taken off with you. So look I love it too.
I'm geeking out over here. I told Jewish producer Chris
before the show even started. I told him, I'm just
gonna nerd out. I can't believe we have an actual
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veteran of the war here to talk about it. Anyway.
Before we get to that, let me do remind you
that our dogs die too early in this country. They
die too early because we give them. What what do
you feed your dog? Same thing? I feed my dog
dog food. Let me guess what color the food is
you give your dog? Let me guess is it brown? Huh?
(27:44):
Why is it all brown? The dog? Get together and
just decide on a color. It's all brown because it's dead.
Brown things are dead. They roast that stuff so high
and at such a high temperature at the factory, all
the nutrients is gone, cook it all out of it.
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a magnificent, magnificent Wednesday, a hump day, and we are
still joined by Buddy Lilly, veteran of the Rhodesian Bushwar
and Vietnam United States marine. All right, buddy, we kind
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of fast forward through something that actually I'm curious about.
You wanted the camaraderie. You wanted to go fight the
bad guys in Rhodesia, but I would venture to get
you didn't just buy a plane ticket and show up
and knock on, knock on someone's door over there? How
does that work? Do you get? How does it work
to even get recruited? How did you get signed up?
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Jesse? You don't know how close you just came. I didn't.
I had been in touch with the recruiter from the
Light Infantry sometime before that. But when I decided to go,
I went and bought a ticket, loading my bags up,
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went on over and when I landed there, I said,
well I'm here. Now what am I gonna do? And
you were? You hit it just about on the head.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
You so whose door did you knock on? Buddy?
Speaker 2 (29:51):
Let me sell you this on a serious, serious note.
The Rhodesian people are the most polite you'll ever meet.
On the plane. I was, well, I flew from just
for information not to be born you, but from New York.
He had to fly into Yoburg and then they would
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push you on air Rhodesia, and when I got to
Yoberg gentlemen came over to me and I said, oh,
this is not good. He said, we've got your bag, sir.
They're a little heavy, but we're going to load them
for you. Go right ahead. I kid you not, sir,
and he said their head and I said they're tools.
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He said, I understand. And I got on a plane.
I sat next to the Rhodesian gentleman who was coming
back from Canada, and we had a wonderful talk. He
filled me in on things and offered me his home
to stay at, gave me his telephone number when we
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got to where we land is in Salisbury. When we
landed there, he took me to a hotel. He said,
if you don't like this, please call me. And I
was just I just said, gee, this is it's like
being in the country in the USA. These people are
so friendly and polite. The other first person I met
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was the customs guy with a big grin says, you
want to join the army? I said, I just got here.
Can you give me a break? And I really was
like that. Everybody was just helpful. That's all I can
tell you.
Speaker 1 (31:40):
Okay, so you get yourself checked in at the Rhodesian
Best Western or whatever hotel you were checked in at,
not quite close. Where do you go then? Do you
go have a night or two out on the town
chasing down Rhodesian women? Do you what's next?
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Well, the gentleman from the customs gave me his number
and asked me to give him a call. As it was,
they only lived about six or eight blocks from the
hotel I was at, which was not a flea bag.
It was okay, but it was not the Monabatapa which
I could see across the town, which I couldn't afford,
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thank you, but it was nice. So I called this
gentleman up, walked to their house and you got to imagine,
now this is downtown Saal, very beautiful town was and
I'm carrying AR in my back. Nobody ship at fact
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that it's an AR, and they don't see AR fifteen. They
don't see too many of them. But I looked around
and said, gee, everybody's carrying guns around here. I mean, seriously,
I'm not exaggerating a whole lot. And anyway, I got
to this gentleman's house and his girlfriend were for the courts.
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The criminal Investigation division. So she sent me over to
see one of the supervisors the next day, who one
a scale one to ten was about eight and a half.
But she sent me to a couple places for interviews.
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I mean, I'm on my second day there. This is
how fast things were moving. And I was offered a
couple jobs, and I did not feel comfortable taking a
couple of them because I didn't know the AO, I
didn't know all the customs. The responsibility I would have
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had did not line up with my knowledge of the country.
If you know where I'm coming from. So I ended
up going to work for Well. I had an interview
with Anglo American, which was a pretty big corporation, and
went to work for the Forest Management Service. The gentleman
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in charge, the big boss, took me to his house
for lunch. I was just flabbergasted. I know it sounds crazy,
but gave me a long talk, took me down, made
sure my driver's license would be okay in Rhodesia. Should
be it the office at one o'clock you're going out
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on a convoy. And next thing I knew, I was hired.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Okay, So we're gonna pause before we get to the convoy.
This is something actually I did not tell everyone. When
I was discussing the Rhodesian Bush War. You brought it up.
I've seen the pictures of it. That the women would
walk around with weapons. It was such a dangerous place
that just everybody was armed.
Speaker 2 (34:55):
Did you see that, Yes, sir, I mean he didn't
always do it, but it wasn't unusual to pass somebody
with a you know, with an fal on their back.
Everybody over there had to be a citizen soldier or female.
You did not know when or if mcgobby's boys were
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gonna pop in there and do something. They weren't as
bad as the terrorist star nowadays. They didn't hit the
big city as much, but you had to be prepared anyway,
and those people were prepared some of the later on one
of the hotels. And I'm Tolly where I worked out of. Oh,
I forgot to tell you that much, Huh, I forgot something.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Okay, it's okay, buddy. It's because we're about to take
a break, and then when we get back, you're gonna
tell us everything. Because I'm just gonna continue to bore
you with questions because I'm so fascinated right now I'm
so excited. Buddy Lily, veteran of the Rhodesian bush War,
as promised, is here giving us as time killing it.
By the way, Buddy cannot tell you how much I
appreciate this. So we are going to take a little
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quick break. When we come back, I know this is
the next hour. Buddy, Lily's gonna give us some more wisdom.
Hang on,
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