Employee #1 (Part One)

 

How did Breitbart News become so influential? To find the answer, we follow the story of the outlet's very first employee, Alex Marlow. Along the way, we hear exclusively from the top voices within the conservative media powerhouse.

 

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The series was originally broadcast in January twenty twenty. I've
been involved in media for over two decades, and one
development that's been stunning to watch throughout that time is
the massive growth and influence of Breitbart News.

Speaker 3 (01:16):
You know, Breibart is one of President Trump's favorite news
sources for starters.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
The entire industry has been obsessed with this startup since
it's scrappy days.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Breitbart, Breitbart, Breitbart, Breitbart, Breitbart.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
The sheer list of impressive Breitbart News alumni is seemingly endless,
and a few staffers have even gone on to work
in the White House.

Speaker 5 (01:34):
The President electapping as his top strategist Stephen Bannett.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
And Breitbart News's coverage has been known to make or
break an issue, propel a politician into office, or send
them packing. How did this happen? How did Breibart News
become so influential. I'm Patrick CARELCI.

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News is the most influential media outlet in America. This
media organization that started in the basement of its founder's
home has helped propel a man into the White House,
retired politicians, created the popularity of bad legislation, and has
even sent a movie box office soaring and helped tank
a few others. The list of alumni and early contributors

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to Breitbart News looks like a who's who of conservative media.
Steve Bannon, Miloianapolis, Ben Shapiro, Stephen Crowder, Dana Losh, James O'Keefe,
Sebastian Gorka, Larry O'Connor, Greg Gudfeld, Andrew Claven, Christian Toto,
Kurt Schlichter. This show has even sprouted from this new
media giant. The foes of Breitbart News alone give a
good indication of its power. Hollywood, big Tech, our far

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left education system, and the political establishments of both parties
have all unsuccessfully tried to take them down or at
least quiet them, but they've all failed. Its rise is
no doubt been a bumpy ride, but over a decade later,
Breitbart News stands at the top of the media heap
for its influence in America. How did this happen? How
did Breitbart News become so influential. To find the answer,

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we follow the story of a young man that unexpectedly
found himself in the editorial driver's seat of this new
media pioneer at the ripe old age of twenty seven,
a young man that Andrew Breitbart himself once said was
quote arguably the most important person in the entire operation.

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It was a Friday night, the beginning of Memorial Day weekend,
and a young man named Alex Marlowe was just getting
home with his girlfriend to their one bedroom studio City apartment.

Speaker 6 (04:26):
And we had just been to I think it was
the hangover too.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
That's Alex. Movie night may have been over, but the
real fun was just getting started.

Speaker 6 (04:36):
And we came home and my email was filled with
all these crazy emails.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
While he was out enjoying a rare reprieve from work,
rumors had been swirling that a rising Democrat politician had
tweeted out a loot image to an attractive young woman,
a young woman that was not his wife. By the
time Alex walked through his front door, emails from his
colleagues were piling up, and the descriptions of the alleged
tweet seemed designed for the tabloids.

Speaker 6 (05:01):
The congressman had tax a picture of gray jockey shorts
with a prominent bulge in them. He had tweeted that
out and then immediately deleted it an announced that he
was hacked.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
At the time, Alex was young, but he was no
average joe. He was part of an inner circle of
rebel journalists, a team led by new media pioneer Andrew
Breitbart that had made it their stock in trade to
cover the news that the mainstream media ignored. But this story,
this lewde tweet from a congressman, sounded like a sex scandal,
and that wasn't something they covered. However, there was one

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loose thread in the whole affair that caught Alex's eye.

Speaker 6 (05:40):
But there was something that we all started to fixate on,
and I was very vocal about this that him tweeting
that he was hacked was a massive problem because if

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a hacker is hacking into accounts of United States congress
people and tweeting pictures of generals, that is a story
that is not a sex story. That is a cybersecurity story. Now,
and so we published.

Speaker 1 (06:22):
When they did, it set off a chain reaction that
would change the course of history, and it may have
never happened had Alex not spoken up.

Speaker 6 (06:30):
That was one of the first times I was really
vocal on a big editorial decision. The fact that they
tweeted that he was.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Hacked means we have to go with it today. Alex
Marlowe is just in his early thirties, but is one
of those people that found is calling at a very
young age, making him now a new media veteran. He's
also one of the most influential media figures in America.
Alex grew up in West Los Angeles and what he
characterizes as a standard upper middle class childhood with his mom, dad,

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and sister.

Speaker 6 (06:57):
We did not have a luxurious life growing up, but
I had everything I needed. Lots of sports, lots of jokes,
good relationships with both of my parents. He was a
pretty loving, wonderful upbringing.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Alex's awakening began innocently enough during his middle school commute.

Speaker 6 (07:27):
I started noticing the contrast between what my parents were
listening to in the car on talk radio. Finally, Johnny
Cochrane is dead wrong when he says race plays a
part of everything in America. It does not, and the
assumption that it does is debilitating to minorities. And what
I was hearing from the rest of the media and
from what I was learning in the.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Classroom, back and forth between home and middle school, Alex
was getting a steady diet of conservative commentary that was
in direct conflict from what he was hearing from his
teachers and on TV.

Speaker 6 (07:57):
There was a pretty stark difference, and I started to
pick up on that pretty early on. I would listen
to a guy named named Larry Elder, and it's it
Larry Elder, absolutely quite positively, no s aka the s
to the SAE from South Central who is still a

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nationally syndicated broadcaster, and he really expanded my horizons. And
my parents weren't forced feeding him to me. They just
happened to be. That's what my mom liked to listen
to when she was picking me up from middle school.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
At around the same time of this awakening, Alex was
excelling academically.

Speaker 6 (08:35):
I was in the student council every year, I was
class president the senior year. My middle school, Walter Reed
Middle School, was had a highly advanced program where there
was a really high minimum IQ threshold, and I really
performed well there. I had all a's throughout the school,
and I did it with doing lots of clubs and
lots of sports, and so I was just a very

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motivated kid. I loved life at a very early age.
So if I was awake, I was trying something. And
my mom was very energetic about making sure that I
didn't have to go to a traditional LA public school,
which are just not effective and they've gotten less effective
since then, and she wanted me to go to this
school in particular.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
That school being Harvard Westlake, arguably the most academically rigorous
high school on the West Coast.

Speaker 6 (09:25):
So she really worked hard to make sure that I
got in, and I guess I did well on tasks
and recommendations.

Speaker 1 (09:30):
Alex was eventually accepted. Just outside of Beverly Hills, Harvard
Westlake is populated by the elite of Hollywood's elite.

Speaker 6 (09:38):
And it is the ritziest, most prestigious private school in
Los Angeles.

Speaker 1 (09:44):
Just to give you a little taste, the campus boasts
a university grade science center gifted by Warren Buffett's billionaire
business partner. It has an annual student film festival with
judges like television producing legend Norman Lear and has a
parent and student alumni list. It includes actors Jodie Foster,
Jack Nicholson, Bar Chris Streissan, mel Brooks, Bruce Springsteen, Kandice Bergen,

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Shirley Temple, Jake and Maggie gillenhol Bridget Fonda, Jamie Lee, Curtis,
Tory Spelling, California Governor Gray Davis, and Los Angeles Mayor
Eric Garcetti, just to name a few. So in his
high school years, Alex was steeped in an elite liberal orthodoxy, and.

Speaker 6 (10:23):
To this day, it's very tough to get in, very expensive,
very ritzy, and even though I had a really nice upbringing,
I was definitely one of the poor kids at that school,
just by virtue the fact that it's an ultra one
percent or environment.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
It was within this competitive liberal enclave that Alex's right
of center world view oddly began to solidify.

Speaker 6 (10:44):
My dad recommended to me when I was in the
tenth grade that I started going to the Drug Report,
and I fell in love with Drudge Report almost instantly,
and I became I thought this it was the greatest
hack in the history of information. That I could go
to this page and I'd get updated on almost the
entirety of what's happening on planet Earth.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
In a heartbeat, z Alex's mind began to open up
to a different perspective. He thought it would be a
good idea to try to bring a speaker to campus
that was resonating with him, to help bridge the gap
between the reality who was gathering through his personal exploration
and that which he was learning at school. He thought
radio host Larry Elder, a black libertarian, would be a
good choice.

Speaker 6 (11:27):
But when I pursued mister Elder to come and speak,
I was told by the schools they mostly blew it off.
But what little response I got from them is that
he might not be an appropriate speaker, And I started
realized that I was triggering people with what I thought
were pretty fundamental ideas. I got very intrigued by that,

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and that only pushed me to explore those ideas further,
and it caused me to read more, study more, and
I realized that I was one of the few people,
if not the only people at my school who was
doing that, who was exploring the entirety of of center
thought it was basically had been banished it was just

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simply uncommon for people to explore right of center ideas.
They were not mainstream in my enclave growing up in
West Los Angeles, in the heart of Hollywood, So that's
I think where it began.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Alex was unable to get Larry Elder approved to speak. However,
throughout his time at Harvard Westlake, he doesn't recall feeling
much discrimination against him for his views. That is, except
for one incident after he debated some classmates on the environment.

Speaker 6 (12:36):
I had very handily beaten a couple of really smart
people in the high school Democrat club, I think it was,
and I was told that one of the teachers had
called me an ignorant moron to his class, and that
to me was a jolt. That was a very exciting
moment for me. To have triggered an adult teacher, an
authority figure by simply winning a debate.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
Didn't scare you, It didn't.

Speaker 6 (13:00):
Scare me in the slightest. And that was a very
seminal moment for me, because I realized that when I
win a debate and then get attacked, there was something
about that that was just very It made me hungry
to learn more, to fight harder, and that really started
in high school right there, and I felt like I

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was arming myself with all this information that everyone else
was ignoring. And it didn't make other things that we
were learning false. It just meant that we were ignoring
these truths.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Aside from academics, Alex was excelling at the baseball diamond
as well.

Speaker 6 (13:36):
I played outfield, so I was a hitter mostly, but
I had a good arm. It was my obsession. It
was my true love's. A lot of people think of
a girl who was the one that got away for
me at baseball. It's that was the one thing I
left out there that I wonder what my life would
have been like.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
But he never got a Division I college offer to
play ball, So instead of gambling at a Division III
school to try to make it to the pros, racking
up debt all along the way, he took a different route.

Speaker 6 (14:01):
When I got into UC Berkeley, I immediately saw the
path for me, which is that I had to go.
I had to go to u C. Berkeley. This is
because of the politics, because of their reputation as not
just being extremely left, but being the home of the
free speech movement. I may not get that with.

Speaker 7 (14:19):
You well, what I want you to know tonight A
we have the people who get to the promishment.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
The nineteen sixties saw the growth of the civil rights movement,
but throughout the beginning of the decade, advocacy for political
causes on college campuses were largely prohibited. On October first,
nineteen sixty four, these two conditions collided when a group
set up an informational table on the campus of UC
Berkeley to solicit donations for civil rights causes. When a

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former graduate student sitting at the table was arrested for
refusing to show his ID to campus police, students spontaneously
surrounded the police car that was transporting him, blocking its path.
The event led to the birth of the free speech
movement that included large student protests on the campus of
UC Berkeley over the weeks that followed.

Speaker 7 (15:13):
There's a time when the operation of the machine becomes
so odious, makes you so sick at heart, But you
can't take part, you can't even passively take part. And
you've got to put your bodies upon the gears and
upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus,
and you've got to make it stop. And you've got
to indicate to the people who run it, to the

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people who own it, that unless you're free, the machine
will be prevented from working at all.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
Uc Berkeley has been the epicenter of far left political
causes ever since.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
That legacy intrigued Delics. But his high school piers shed
away from an enormous campus like that of Berkeley's, and
a lot.

Speaker 6 (15:54):
Of people at Harford Westlake were decrying big classes. They
wanted you to have a lot of hands on, small,
touchy feely environment. I didn't like that as much. I
liked the idea of a big, sprawling, diverse campus, but
diverse in terms of ideas, and I liked the history
of the leftism. I thought that that would be a challenge,

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and I wanted to see it. I wanted to go
inside the belly of the beast.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
So when Alex graduated from Harvard Westlake, he first took
a semester off clerking at a law office and working
part time for Larry Elder. Then he went off to
the birthplace of the free speech movement, majoring in political
science with a minor in music. And when he arrived
something caught him by surprise.

Speaker 6 (16:34):
I was struck by the prominence of the College Republicans.

Speaker 1 (16:39):
At the time. Alex noticed that there were so many
leftists on campus that they bifurcated into many small niche groups.
But if you were a right of center student, there
was really only one game in town, the College Republicans.
The group included small government libertarians, big government neocons, and
everything in between, and was one of the largest clubs
on campus. It was with his involvement in this club

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that Alec began to get a peek into what the
left was becoming like.

Speaker 6 (17:05):
We did some events. I did one on historic Sprout
Plaza where the task was to read quotes of literal
terrorists talking about how we needed to wipe Israel off
the map, et cetera, Hesballa, connected leaders, Hamas leaders and
just reading them verbatim. And this was shouted down by protesters,
many of them from the communist bookstore, and they were

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shouting me down, racist, go home, Racist, go home. And
none of this surprised me. But I had a very
early window into where the left trajectory was going. This
was a big cheat for me is that I was
there at Berkeley during the George W. Bush years, and
I think I got to see where they were going
to go, and they have not disappointed.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
It was an exhilarating time for Alex, a guy that
appeared to somehow be immune to the ideas of the left.
I mean, think about it. Alex grew up in the
heart of liberal Los Angeles, attended a private high school
populated entirely by Hollywood elites, and was now being educated
and practically the headquarters of the institutional left at UC Berkeley.
Alex was seeped in the ideology of the far left,

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yet still gravitated towards conservatism. Being comfortable as the outlier
must have been an intellectual boot camp for Alex, preparing
him for what was to come. Alex took advantage of
this time, picking up both blogging and podcasting, gaining valuable
insight into the burgeoning world of new media. He was
trying to figure out on his own how to disseminate

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information on the Internet, how to make arguments in an
environment where you get instant feedback from commenters looking to
find chinks in your armor.

Speaker 6 (18:45):
And people are fisking your arguments and in some cases
outright embarrassing you on the spot. It's an amazing thing,
and I was getting a taste of that very very
early on, through blogging in some podcasts.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Towards the end of his stint at UC Berkeley, he
got involved with a group called the Young America's Foundation.

Speaker 6 (19:03):
Or YEAFF, which is a great group that owns the
Reagan Ranch where Ronald Reagan's Western White House, and they
put a lot of speakers on campus.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
And one of those speakers would change the course of
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Speaker 2 (21:12):
Welcome back to Red Pilled America. So toward the end
of Alex's time at UC Berkeley, he started to get
involved with the group called the Young America's Foundation. In
two thousand and seven, he attended one of their conferences
in Santa Barbara, and they had a speaker by the
name of Andrew Breitbart.

Speaker 6 (21:32):
So Andrew gave this speech. It was about how culture
is upstream from politics, and growing up in Hollywood and
seeing the power and influence of my peers parents at Harvard,
Westlake and elsewhere. It was so obvious this guy was
right on the money. And I loved movies and I
loved music, and it was so clear what Andrew was saying.

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And it had never dawned on me that, of course,
that the politicians are taking cues from the cultural actors,
not the other way around. And I never heard this. Now,
everyone on the right not only acts like that is
a given, they act like they figured it out in
their own No one had figured it out. Andrew Breitbart

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had figured it out.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Alex had heard of Andrew before when he clicked on
links at the Drudge Report. Some led to his site,
Breitbart dot com. Andrew himself was an editor at the
Dredge Report.

Speaker 6 (22:28):
And Andrew Breitbart gave his speech, and it was a
wild and wieldy speech, and he was drinking red wine
and he was gesticulating wildly. At one point he talked
about throwing a bag of shit. I forget the context,
but I was sitting there slack job, going this is
the vision, and I did something that is tough for

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me because I'm pretty much an introvert. Right after the speech,
in the hotel lobby bar, where Andrew has been known
to congregate and talk to anyone because he's a genuine populist,
I went up to him simply said love your speech.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
The two had similar backgrounds and they hit it off immediately.

Speaker 6 (23:08):
He was about three miles from me at the time
where I grew up. He lived right by the Veteran Cemetery,
which I used to pass every day twice a day
going to and from school since middle school here in Westwood, California,
and we had the same interest baseball, music. He had
an incredible sense of humor, which I was always a

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huge comedy fan, and so we had so much in common.
There was a lot of things that we had that
were differences, but just the core interests, similar politics, similar background,
lived in similar places, even in the same hobbies like baseball.
It was a pretty clear match that we were kindred

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spirits in some way.

Speaker 2 (23:53):
At the time, Andrew was taking on a business partner,
a lawyer and lifelong best friend Larry Solov and was
looking to expand his online business. Alex was amazed that
everything that he saw on Breitbart dot Com at the
time was being run by this one guy from the
basement of his house.

Speaker 6 (24:12):
He's Agrey Newswires. I just thought this, this guy's a genius,
and as a DRUDG fan, I knew I had to
figure out a way to work with him. Luckily, Andrew
saw something in me very early on, and by the
end of the weekend he'd offer me a job.

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Alex was Breitbart News's employee number one. Now, Alex had
one semester of college left, so during that time he
primarily moderated comments on Breitbart dot Com and provided links
to related stories.

Speaker 6 (24:41):
And so I would do that, I guess, you know,
maybe fifteen twenty hours a week part time from a
car table in my apartment in Berkeley.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Here was a guy that could have opened practically any
corporate door he wanted. He had the pedigree of Harvard Westlake,
arguably the best high school on the West Coast. He
was now a UC Berkeley graduate, one of the top
up universities in the nation. He'd been entrepreneurial, creating his
own blog and dabbling and podcasting way back in two

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thousand and seven. But instead of entering the big corporate
media structure, Alex decided to start his post college career
in Andrew Breitbert's basement.

Speaker 6 (25:20):
But what I saw on Andrew that was pretty clear.
I saw a massive space for conservative media. It was
so obvious to me already that the education system, the
entertainment world, and the media world were all decidedly left
of center. But it was clear that there was a

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huge space for a right of center worldview in the
media space. And I was drawn to this naturally because
I loved Drudge and I loved talk radio. So when
the guy who is one of Drudge's handpicked editors, who

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happened to live three miles from my parents' house, who
had a terrific sense of humor, loved baseball, said I'm
going to be the guy who does this, I instantly said, Okay,
sign me up, let's do it. So I didn't know
if it was going to work, but I knew that
the math was there. I knew that if someone was

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going to do it, why not this guy Andrew Breitbart,
And someone was going to do it. Someone was going
to fill this space. In hindsight, of course, you would
bet on that horse. And that's what I did.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Alex started full time in June two thousand and eight,
within days of graduating from Berkeley.

Speaker 6 (26:40):
My first day of work, I got to work maybe
five minutes early, and maybe you know, a fifty five
something like that, and my polo shirt tucked into my
slacks and my low ferst and no one's home and
the door's unlocked, and I let myself in and I
look around. What's going on. I go down to Andrew's basement,

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which is where we were going to put the offices,
and then no one's there, and I wander upstairs and
Andrew is on his belly, asleep in his bed with
his mouth open.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Andrew was suffering from what we refer to in the
media world as a morning hit. You see, many of
us who work in media on the West Coast often
appear on morning shows based in the East Coast. That morning,
Andrew went on Fox and Friends that airs from three
am to six am Pacific standard time.

Speaker 6 (27:31):
So he had been up, gone to Fox News, done television,
and then come home and he was napping, so he
wasn't really still in bed. He'd gone back to bed,
and so I went downstairs and worked on setting up
my laptop and waited for my life to begin.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Up until January two thousand and nine, Breitbart dot Com
had primaryly been a news aggregator where Alex and Andrew
picked stories from the newswires services like the Associated Press
and UPI and others that provide general interest stories to
media organizations, and they would curate those stories for the site. Basically,
there wasn't original content, but around Obama's inauguration, Breitbart News

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launched its first foray into original content with a new
section on his site. Andrew called it Big Hollywood.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
Big Hollywood launched the day after President Obama's inauguration, and
it was the beginning of an opposition to the establishment
media narrative that largely hinged on Obama as the messiah.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Andrew spoke about why he started Big Hollywood in an
interview right around the time of its launch.

Speaker 8 (28:47):
So, Andrew, tell me about your new website, Big Hollywood.

Speaker 9 (28:52):
I'll tell you anything you want to know about it.
Luke Ford, tell.

Speaker 5 (28:57):
Me why why do this website?

Speaker 9 (29:01):
The number one reason is that the conservative movement has
completely detached itself from the concept of popular culture and
things that it can survive in the twenty first century
on politics and legislation alone, and political rhetoric and great
writing reflecting conservative principles. And that's not going to happen.

(29:23):
What needs to happen is at the conservative movement, based
in Washington, d c. For the most part, and with
ancillary entities around the country, New York City, Dallas, Virginia.
These people have ignored anything west of the Mississippi for
a generation, and they're suffering the consequences and the election

(29:43):
of Barack Obama as evidence of that. They the conservative
movement proper did not embrace Ronald Reagan initially, but it
eventually came to accept him as the standard bearer of conservatism.
He was successful less because he carried conservative principles, but
because he came from Hollywood and he understood the importan
of communication and pop culture. It took them a long

(30:07):
time to realize that that magic was a good way
to sell conservatism. That bride eyed optimism, and so the
conservative movement needs to go focus on Hollywood in countless ways.
It needs to encourage its young to go out to
Hollywood to become screenwriters, actors, producers, below the line workers.

(30:27):
It also needs to focus on Hollywood proper film reviews
and become engaged in the debate out there. It's interesting
that we have so many people in the conservative movement
who write about legislation and political controversies every single day.
As matter of fact, there seems to be about fifty
people writing on the same subject all day long, but

(30:51):
very few people focus on pop culture. And pop culture
is the DNA of who we are, and we export
that through the satellite dishes and in our DVDs and
on the television screen in films across the world. And
if we don't alter that DNA, if we don't try
to inject in it our best qualities and not our

(31:11):
worst qualities, our fate is in the hands of people
who don't agree with us. And that faith is in
people in Hollywood that we disagree with right now. So
we have to take them on using their skills, and
that's the primary objective. I'd say the secondary objective of
the site is to create cover for those who exist

(31:33):
in Hollywood right now who actually are conservative or libertarian
or consider themselves to be Lieberman Democrats or JFK liberals.
People who don't necessarily relate to the current boutique leftism
that seems to be intent on squalching any type of dissent,

(31:57):
especially descent that is right of center. And I believe
that the site will provide cover for those people.

Speaker 1 (32:03):
Again.

Speaker 6 (32:03):
Alex Andrews's passion had been the culture and the culture wars.
And he lived in Hollywood, and he'd written a book
called Hollywood Interrupted with a guy named Mark Evner, where
he had written about He did a lot of good
journalism in that as well. So this was Andrew's interest,
and he genuinely believed it was even more important than
the political side of things. And so that's where Andrew began.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
And you also needed to find an editor in chief
for Big Hollywood. So he turned to a guy named
John Nolty.

Speaker 6 (32:37):
He was a writer. He wrote for a thing called
Dirty Harry's Place, which was a blog that anyone who
followed conservative media was familiar with where he's very passionate
writer and very knowledgeable in Hollywood.

Speaker 10 (32:49):
Andrew had been following me. I didn't know this, but
he'd been following my work for years.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
That's John Nolty.

Speaker 11 (32:55):
I was unemployed a movie side i'd been working for
called Libertaz.

Speaker 10 (32:59):
It just closed down.

Speaker 11 (33:00):
The owners of whatever they just got closed down, and
all of a sudden, I was out of his job.

Speaker 12 (33:05):
And literally, people probably don't believe this, but I had an.

Speaker 11 (33:08):
Interview set up to be a bag boy at Ralph's,
the grocery store chain in California.

Speaker 10 (33:14):
I was living in LA at the time. That's that's
the situation I was in. It was that bad.

Speaker 11 (33:19):
And all of a sudden, I got an email from
Andrew Breitbart, who I had never spoken to beyond Hey,
how you doing, I think.

Speaker 12 (33:30):
On two occasions, and I called.

Speaker 10 (33:33):
Him right away and we talked. You know, you know
what it was like to talk to Andrew on the phone.
It was awesome.

Speaker 11 (33:38):
And so we talked for about forty five minutes, and
then the next day he asked me to come over
for an interview, a formal interview, to his house. So
I headed out there and he told me his ideas
for big Hollywood, which I loved. I didn't know Andrew
at the time, but you know, I just thought, Okay, well,
I don't see how you're going to do this, but

(33:59):
if you're willing to offer me X.

Speaker 13 (34:00):
Dollars a month, I'll do the job. And it was
in the basement there.

Speaker 11 (34:06):
That was the first time I met Alex. In Andrew's basement,
Larry Solof was there. I talked to Andrew and Larry,
and Alex was in the back with his desk by
the bathroom.

Speaker 10 (34:15):
But that was how it started.

Speaker 11 (34:17):
He offered me the job, and I grabbed it more
out of desperation than anything.

Speaker 13 (34:20):
But I did like Andrew.

Speaker 10 (34:21):
And I did like Larry right away. They made a
very good first impression.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
John also saw something in the new college graduate as well.

Speaker 14 (34:28):
Well.

Speaker 11 (34:28):
I could tell right away. I mean the moment I
met Alex the first time. I think he was twenty
one or twenty two, and I was already in my
mid forties.

Speaker 12 (34:38):
And I could just tell that there was an old
soul there.

Speaker 11 (34:41):
And I didn't have any help running Big Hollywood.

Speaker 10 (34:45):
We had one hundred contributors. We had to get seven
or eight pieces up a day, and.

Speaker 13 (34:49):
I had to addit all those and I had no help.
Andrew just couldn't afford it.

Speaker 10 (34:54):
And that's just how it is when you're doing a startup.
So I don't want anybody think that's complaint.

Speaker 13 (34:58):
But I did have Alex.

Speaker 10 (34:59):
Sometimes they would free Alex up to help.

Speaker 12 (35:01):
And I could tell immediately that.

Speaker 11 (35:03):
This was not only a nice guy, you know, and
you always want to work with a nice guy who's
got a sense of humor, but he.

Speaker 13 (35:10):
Just he had excellent judgment.

Speaker 11 (35:13):
And for a twenty one to twenty two year old
guy to have that kind of judgment, that kind of.

Speaker 10 (35:18):
Wisdom is just shocking.

Speaker 11 (35:20):
And you don't see you don't see that kind of
wisdom and judgment and guys in my age, and in
many cases he had better wisdom and judgment that I did.

Speaker 10 (35:27):
I would often bow something off with him, and if
he told me it wasn't a good idea, I wouldn't
do it.

Speaker 11 (35:32):
So that was obvious right away. And he was very
good at headlines. He'd already been working with Andrew on headlines.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
So with Nulty on board, Big Hollywood went from an
idea to an actual website.

Speaker 6 (35:52):
And it was a group blog, and a lot of
people participated who were right of center Hollywood types, and
a lot of it was opinion piece. It was mostly
opinion and aggregation at the beginning.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
In those first few weeks, some of today's biggest conservative
personalities were Big Hollywood contributors. Ben Shapiro Stephen Crowder, Greg Guttfeld,
and Andrew Claven, just to name a few.

Speaker 11 (36:14):
It felt consequential immediately because it got a lot of
media attention, and not just from Drudge and Rush Limbaugh,
who were with us right away, but you could see
that outlets like the Los Angeles Times and Variety, the
Hollywood Reporter, that they were paying attention to this because

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Andrew's idea at the time was to give right of
center artists everything from libertarians to religious conservatives because they
have no voice in Hollywood because there's a blacklist in Hollywood,
and there still is a blacklist in Hollywood.

Speaker 12 (36:47):
So right away they could tell this.

Speaker 10 (36:49):
Was something new and it was a movement.

Speaker 13 (36:55):
Of real artists that wanted a voice.

Speaker 10 (37:00):
And you had what.

Speaker 11 (37:02):
Andrew was doing on top of the success of the
Passion of the Christ, which had happened about four or
five years earlier, and there was something happening. So it
felt right away like it was it was important and that.

Speaker 13 (37:15):
It made a difference.

Speaker 12 (37:17):
And then we broke some big stories like your story
about the NEA, the National Download for the Arts, and
the Obama administration how they were going to try and
manipulate that and pervert.

Speaker 6 (37:25):
That Patrick, maybe you can introduct here our first big
scoop with your scoop.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
What Alex and John are referring to is the NA
story when Adrianna and I caught the Obama administration trying
to turn the National Endowment for the Arts into a
propaganda machine. We've gone into great detail about the lead
up into that story with our red Pilled America episode
entitled David and Goliath, so we won't do that here,
but in a nutshell, we recorded a White House conference

(37:49):
call where the Obama administration tried to use a federal
arts agency, the NEA, to create propaganda all to sell
the American people on Obamacare. At the time, some experts
claimed that the effort might have violated in a law
prohibiting federal funds to be used for political activities. We
worked with Andrew on the story and published it with

(38:09):
his big Hollywood site. At first, only conservative media picked
up the story.

Speaker 15 (38:14):
The taxpayer funded National Endowment for the Arts recently conducted
a conference call for dozens of artists and filmmakers, but
our next guest says the agenda on that call seemed
a lot more political than artistic. He says, the NEA
and the and White House officials on the call encouraged
the artistic community to use their work to promote the

(38:34):
Obama team's agenda on issues like healthcare reform and joining
us now as the filmmaker and art consultant Patrick kilch Patrick,
thanks for joining us.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
Driven by Andrew. The story began to slowly spread throughout
conservative media. However, the mainstream media was largely ignoring it.
But what we intentionally kept quiet when we published was
that we'd recorded the call thinking someone involved might step
on their tail to defend themselves, and they did. When
the NEA and even the White House publicly contradicted our account,

(39:05):
we slowly began to release documents backing up our claims.
When the mainstream media continued to ignore the story, we
began to release audio clips of the call.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
I'm going to show you the beginning of something that
should scare the living daylights out of you. It is
propaganda in America. The National Endowment of the Arts is
now holding conference calls. Let me give you a taste
of what was said in this conversation. Listen carefully what
was said by a YOS sergeant from the National Endowment

(39:38):
of the Arts. Your money please play. This is a
brand new conversation forsation.

Speaker 16 (39:45):
We are just now learning how to really bring the
community together to speak with the government. What that looks
like legally, We're still trying to figure out the laws
of putting government website on the fat book and the
use of Twitter.

Speaker 13 (40:03):
This is all being sorted out.

Speaker 16 (40:04):
We are participating in history and it's being made. So
bear with us as we learn the language so that
we can speak to each other safely and we can
we can really work together to move the needle and
to get to get stuff in diving.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Now there's separate audio which has just surfaced. Now what
this is all about is the Obama administration using the
MEA in a community, organizing efforts to help propagandas the
Obama agenda.

Speaker 10 (40:35):
All of it.

Speaker 6 (40:36):
So simultaneously, while your Anya story is breaking, James O'Keefe
goes to Andrew with his acorn tape.

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Speaker 6 (42:12):
So simultaneously, while your anya story is breaking, James O'Keefe
goes to Andrew with his Acorn tapes.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
For those who may not know, Acorn was a community
organizing group founded in nineteen seventy that purported to advocate
for low income families. At its peak, it had roughly
five hundred thousand members in twelve hundred neighborhood chapters all
across the country. The group worked with the federal government
for the census, and it also had ties to a
particular political campaign, a relationship that came up during the

(42:42):
two thousand and eight presidential debates.

Speaker 14 (42:44):
We need to know the full extent of Center Obama's
relationship with Acorn, who is now on the verge of
maybe perpetrating one of the greatest frauds in voter history
in this country, maybe destroying a fabric of democracy. Same
front outfit organization that your campaign gave eight hundred and
thirty two two thousand dollars for for quote lighting and

(43:06):
site selection.

Speaker 17 (43:07):
Acorn is a community organization. Apparently what they've done is
they were paying people to go out and register folks,
and apparently some of the people who were out there
didn't really register people. They just pilled out a bunch
of names. Had nothing to do with us. We were
not involved. The only involvement I've had with ACORN was

(43:28):
I represented them alongside the US Justice Department in making
Illinois implement a motor voter law that helped people get
register at DMBs.

Speaker 14 (43:39):
Well, again, while you were on the board of the
Woods Foundation, you and mister Ayris together you sent two
hundred and thirty thousand dollars to ACORN.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
But perhaps the biggest underreported scandal tied to the community
organizing company was its work in the banking sector. Acorn
played a key role in helping cause the financial crisis
by pressuring local banks to lend to poor and financially
unstable people.

Speaker 18 (44:05):
All right, what is Acorn, and then we're going to
get into a Barack Obama's connection to it.

Speaker 10 (44:12):
What does ACORN do.

Speaker 11 (44:15):
Well?

Speaker 19 (44:15):
Acorn really is at the root in many ways of
the problem here. Acorn is a group of community organizers
and they specialize in putting pressure, really a kind of
intimidation tactics on banks to get these banks to make
high risk loans to low credit customers. And of course

(44:35):
that's very much the source of this whole problem.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
Okay, what is Barack Obama's affiliation with Acorn?

Speaker 19 (44:41):
Barack Obama trained the leadership of organizers in ACORN in Chicago.

Speaker 10 (44:47):
Man, So in fact, you're seeing.

Speaker 18 (44:50):
Acorn is one of the foundation or the cornerstones of
the crisis that we're in right now.

Speaker 19 (44:55):
That's absolutely right.

Speaker 2 (44:57):
The proof was in the pudding. This was one bad organization,
but the general public had awareness of ACORN. However, two
citizen journalists were about to change all of that. They
had an idea to expose the organization.

Speaker 6 (45:11):
Story is that James O'Keefe and Hannah Giles, who were
impersonated a pimp and prostitute and using a button CAMM,
a hidden camera that would come through a button hole
on James o'keeff shirt, they would go into these offices
of the of the Association for Community Organizing and Reform
now ACORN offices, and they would say that they want

(45:35):
to start a child sex trafficking business and launder the
money from that business into a fictitious political campaign for James,
and Hannah was going to run the girls, and or
she was a prostitute and was going to be help
run the girls. So so that was the premise, and

(45:55):
all but one ACORN office bit.

Speaker 11 (45:58):
The business progress who make sure there's a code for okay,
a code across.

Speaker 13 (46:03):
Well, yeah, because.

Speaker 6 (46:05):
We have to I have to have a name and
a code number.

Speaker 13 (46:09):
Well, I don't know, but I'm gonna look at it.
I'm gonna get my list.

Speaker 18 (46:12):
Okay, she's the.

Speaker 6 (46:14):
And then we can get the right tax code.

Speaker 10 (46:16):
Yes, so that's wonderful.

Speaker 20 (46:17):
Your business is a performing but you are okay.

Speaker 6 (46:23):
So you're got lying.

Speaker 19 (46:24):
That's kind of.

Speaker 20 (46:26):
How you are performing, aust Okay, okay, so stop saying plastically.

Speaker 6 (46:31):
You got it. And some of them even recommended how
you store the money. You hide it, You bury it
in your backyard and a tin can.

Speaker 13 (46:38):
I put the money in the can and push it
in the yard and put the.

Speaker 6 (46:41):
Grass or It was surreal stuff. And Andrew said when
he saw the tapes, not only are we going to
take out Acorn, We're going to take out the media.

Speaker 1 (46:52):
And you felt that it was the story of his life.
Not only because it showed a deranged government funded organization
and action, it would also expose the extreme bias in
the media. You see, this was way before fake news
became a household phrase. Many right if center folks were
aware of the media bias, but almost no one understood
how corrupt the press had become. Andrew was going to

(47:12):
expose that fact not by just calling out their bias now. Instead,
he was going to expose it by showing that they
would ignore a massive story that hurt the left. In
his best selling book Righteous Indignation, he wrote that he
saw the combination of the NEA story in James O'Keefe's acornsting,
happening at almost the same exact time as quote, a

(47:33):
breakthrough moment for new media. He added, quote, but in
my mind, it seemed that if the Acorn story and
the Nea story could be paired and weaponized, maximized, and
forced into the eye of the American public, they could
serve as a case study demonstrating that the new media
could supplant ye old media. These paired stories could serve
as notice that if the mainstream media wouldn't take helpful

(47:56):
hints to write the ship, they were going to experience
something akin to a mutiny end quote. In the midst
of our Nea story or spreading, Alex helped Andrew write
op ed for The Washington Times entitled Kirk should look
in the mirror or Andrew chastise the mainstream media for
ignoring big stories like the NEA and for its dereliction
of duty in investigating a little known corrupt organization Acorn,

(48:20):
and he hinted that something was about to break that
would completely expose the media's bias. The article read quote,
when the next big scandal hits, and it will, and
it most certainly won't come from traditional journalism, all eyes
will be on Pinch Sulzberger to see if he does
his job end quote. Pinch Solsberger was the publisher of
The New York Times at the time. Andrew was making

(48:42):
a prediction on how the media would react to his
forthcoming Acorn scoop.

Speaker 6 (48:47):
But he was basically laying out how the media is
not only going to miss this story, they're going to
cover up one of the biggest scandals in modern political history.
And he basically wrote a script with a crystal ball
of every step the media would make.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Within days of publishing the op ed Andrew Brooke James
O'Keeffe Acorn Undercover steing, and just like with the NEA story,
the only outlets that would pick it up initially were
conservative media.

Speaker 21 (49:21):
Well and Tonight, I am joined by the independent activist
filmmaker who went under cover into those Acorn offices James O'Keefe.
Now his work is being featured on Big government dot
Com and also with us as Hannah Giles who portrayed
the prostitute in those videos, and she is also with
Big government dot Com.

Speaker 4 (49:38):
Guys, welcome, Welcome to the program. A tape of Acorn,
hidden camera of Acorn encouraging prostitution, trying to help cover
it up so the government never knows, including children.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Acorn and their friends in the media tried to downplay
this story, but Andrew and James had a little surprise
for them.

Speaker 6 (49:56):
But he also revolutionized the drip drip, drip strategy, where
he would put out one story at a time to
bait the media in saying this is an isolated incident.
Of course it wasn't. And Andrew was sitting on piles
and piles of tape.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
It was an exciting time to be working with the
Breitbart News team because we were crafting a method to
crack the mainstream media's blackout of stories they didn't like.

Speaker 6 (50:17):
So and Andrew stood up to a lot of his friends.
I was not I don't think he pulled me personally
on this, but a lot of his friends suggested you
dump it. All out at once, and Andrew stood up
to them and said, no, we're doing it this way.
So again, he was such a visionary. He's just he's
inventing a playbook. I'm sitting there next to him, and
he's sitting there inventing the modern playbook on how to

(50:38):
fight the left.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
As the Acorn story reached a crescendo, we released the
entire audio and transcript of the NEA conference call. When
the White House caught win that CBS News interviewed me
for a story on their network, they'd had enough and
Obama appointee quickly resigned and the White House apologized and
was forced to issue new conduct guidelines, just like Andrew predicted.

(51:00):
It wasn't until then that the New York Times and
The Washington Host were forced to cover the story, and
the rest of the mainstream media followed. From NPR News,
it's all things considered.

Speaker 22 (51:09):
I'm Robert Siegel, and I'm Medaline brand the National Endowment
for the Arts. It's the largest federal funder of the arts.
It's embroiled in a controversy, and it all goes back
to a conference call held in August. In that call,
the NEA's director of communications urged artists to use their
talents to help achieve some of President Obama's goals.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
In light of the controversy, the White House issued an
advisory to federal agencies to take care to avoid even
the appearance that politics played a part in the award
of federal grants.

Speaker 23 (51:40):
Independent film producer Patrick Corrielsh, who believes many artists have
become tools of the state, recorded the call. He says
the mandate was clear.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
They encouraged us to create art on healthcare, on energy,
and in the environment, and they wanted us to bring
whatever art network that we had or whatever art talent
that we had to those issues.

Speaker 23 (52:04):
Ten Republican senators sent a letter to the chairman of
the Naight concerned taxpayer dollars were being used to promote
the president's legislative priorities. The na in a statement, said
some of the language used by the former NEA director
of Communications was unfortunately not appropriate. The White House also
released a statement saying the conference call was to encourage
voluntary participation in a national service initiative, adding quote, we

(52:28):
regret any comments on the call that may have been
misunderstood or troubled other participants, but the White House is
clearly concerned about this. White House Counsel Gregory Craig sent
a memo to agency heads saying, avoid even the appearance
of impropriety, make sure funding decisions are free of political interference,
and make sure that engagement with citizens and organizations is

(52:48):
even handed.

Speaker 8 (52:49):
My god, Obama has bypassed the bully pulpit national media, NASCAR,
pro football to use an army of federally subsidized artists
to help propagandais socialist agenda brilliant.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
The Anya story may have took down an Obama appointee,
but the Acorn sting brought down an entire government funded organization.
It was a blockbuster.

Speaker 6 (53:16):
You know who broke this story?

Speaker 24 (53:17):
These two you're telling me, the two kids from the
cast of High School musical three can break this story
with a video camera and their grandmother's chinchilla coat, and
you got nothing.

Speaker 15 (53:29):
Rarely does a piece of investigative reporting get such a
big and quick response, and rarely is the undercover reporter
such a fascinating character.

Speaker 4 (53:38):
No one seems to be able to say exactly how
many taxpayer dollars have been pumped into Acorn affiliates over
the last forty years. Tens of millions to be sure.

Speaker 25 (53:47):
How about the funding free course, Well, it's frankly, it's
not really something I followed closely. I didn't even know
the Acorn was getting a whole lot of federal well.

Speaker 6 (53:55):
The send in the Hause vote to cut it off.

Speaker 25 (53:57):
You know, what I know is is that what I
saw on that video was certainly inappropriate.

Speaker 6 (54:01):
It's a Acorn, obviously, the conduct that you see on
those tapes is completely unacceptable. And the legacy of the
Acorn story is not just the rise of James O'Keeffe,
the rise of Breitbart, the destruction of Acorn. It is

(54:21):
the beginning of the end of the establishment media as gospel.
That was one of the biggest media scandals.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Ever, and Alex Marlow had a front row seat throughout
the entire process of breaking these stories.

Speaker 6 (54:35):
I was literally had to jump out of my olsat
classes and I really offended the teacher by doing this
all the time to sit in this convention center lobby
in Pasadena, editing Acorn stories and going on conference calls
and getting everything together, and eventually Acorn was delinked from
the Census, which was supposed to be He was tasked

(54:57):
with taking the twenty ten census. It was part of
that team. They had been defunded and were soon out
of business because of that, And the New York Times
and the Washington Post had not yet covered the story.
And if you went on cable news, you're watching om SNBC,
you're seeing people attack Andrew Breitbok, suggesting that there could
be a racism component to it.

Speaker 20 (55:18):
We know that there's a race element to trying to
stop us. I mean, look at what's happened with Van
Jones and Eric Holder and Judge so to Mayor. We
know that we have been used as a surrogate to
attack President Obama. The tea baggers have had signs with

(55:41):
Acorn at t bag parties, and we never even were
around or there.

Speaker 1 (55:49):
It was through this media war that I first met
Alex Marlowe. He was a mere twenty three years old
at the time, but it was already easy to see
that he was one of the smartest people in the room.
In the aftermath of these stories, with egg on their face,
cable news began doing what has become so common today.
They tried to marginalize and deplatform their opposition at every turn.

(56:10):
They tried branding Andrew Breitbert and his news organization as
intentionally inaccurate, even racist, and for the better part of
the next year and a half it was a full
court press.

Speaker 6 (56:20):
You have no concern from the answer, were self to
make allegations about.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Other people, pretend they're sort of creating the people's journalism.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
They don't even know what it is. They have no
respect for it.

Speaker 8 (56:30):
They don't follow any of the standards or guidelines.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
And depending on your view, he's also been described as
a conservative propagandist and a Tea Party loyalist, not.

Speaker 22 (56:39):
A journalist or a commentator. You're a con man and
that's your job.

Speaker 17 (56:44):
Let me tell you what you just did. You use
a cold language the black studies people right, in other words.

Speaker 10 (56:51):
Then I'm a racist.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Let me finish my point.

Speaker 17 (56:53):
I'm able to speak articulately.

Speaker 15 (56:54):
You yourself have been up to skulldugree before you know,
he stitched up Shirley Sheryl pretty spectaculated.

Speaker 20 (57:00):
Wow, you think he's think he's so vicious? Yes, I do,
And I think that's why he's so vicious against a
black president.

Speaker 1 (57:15):
Throughout this entire ordeal, Alex was learning during his early
years in liberal Los Angeles then his elite Hollywood High School,
then the epicenter of the free speech movement of UC Berkeley.
Alex saw how the left thought and how they fought
as he sat next to Andrew Breitbart. He learned how

(57:36):
to bypass the traditional media gatekeepers from one of the
best who'd ever lived, and saw how they'd smear, attack,
and do whatever necessary to take down the unauthorized truth tellers.
As Memorial Day weekend twenty eleven approached, the media smears continued.
But what the gatekeepers didn't know was that Breitbart News

(57:56):
was getting ready to dunk on the old guard and
start a chain reaction that would change the course of history,
and the event would mark a seminal moment in the
rise of Alex Marlow on his way to become one
of the most influential media figures alive today. Next time
on red Pilled America.

Speaker 15 (58:14):
What I will say is this is that I know
for a fact that my account was hacked.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
Was it or was it not?

Speaker 7 (58:20):
His bulge And that day we received an email via
the tip line.

Speaker 6 (58:26):
They started to attack Andrew, which was their playbook. They
started to attack Breitbart, which is their playbook, and they
start shooting the Messenger.

Speaker 4 (58:34):
He tweeted a picture of his Schwunz.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
Allegedly allegedly, give me one example of approvable IE.

Speaker 1 (58:42):
One the unthinkable happened.

Speaker 6 (58:45):
Let me think about how much I want to get
into this because it's a little personal.

Speaker 2 (58:51):
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