December 12, 2025 • 37 mins
Why is Candace Owens attacking Erika Kirk? We do a deep dive into the face off and the shocking claims made by the alleged friend of the founder of Turning Point USA.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is red pilled America. Candice is destroying TPUSA right now.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Had a vivid dream this weekend, and Charlie came to
me and he told me that he was betrayed.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Because she had her dreams as evident.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
She was like, missus cleo, don't go blindly.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Let me lose the.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Power of the tyrol called missus cleo, come now for
your free reading.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
A foreign country has put out a hit on her,
yet here she is at a party and by the way,
the ugliest top I've ever seen in my life. What
the hell is she wearing? She looks like a minion.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
She wrote an article that kind of rationalized straight women
marrying gay men, which I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Think is kind of aesday. So she's for the lavender marriage.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It seems kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Because it is I've known a lot of bad people
in my life, but I have to say, I don't
think I've ever known an actual pimp.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
There's logic holes throughout her entire narrative.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You know what I think she is. I think she's
a woman scorned guy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think that they should deport Milo.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
She's a cancer in this movement.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
If you really look at who she is, she believes
in narcissism.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
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Christmas season. I know that we are. My wife has
nailed all the presents and I just get to kind
of show up and pretend like I'm Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What is that? Like?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
My gosh, you're so lucky.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I am.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Let me tell you something. I am in the weeds.
I'm in the Christmas weeds. I have so much rapping
to do. I have bought all the gifts because that's
tie roll. I get everything Black Friday, you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do, I fail it quick.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Although I have to say that I did drop the
ball on something. For the first time in about eighteen years.
I did not do a Christmas card.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, you didn't drop the ball on it. It
was conscious. It was a conscious decision. I think at
the end of the day, we just got too busy
and we had to kind of pick and choose our battles,
and that was the one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That was the one that that it got dropped this year.
Although I'm going to come back next year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You'll come back and stronger bigger and stronger. A lot
to talk about today, and it's a topic that I
hate to discuss. I hate to discuss it because narcissists
love attention, and we're going to give a narcissist to
attention today. I'm sure you guys are all very familiar
with everything that's been going on with Candace Owens, TPUSA,
(04:06):
Erica Kirk. I want to break it down. I want
to kind of do a deep dive into this and
kind of give some background on it right before they
give their big expose next week. TPUSA is going to
be responding to all of the allegations that Candace Owens
has been putting out there, or missus cleo, as I
like to put it, she is going she has been
(04:28):
making some wild, wild accusations at TPUSA. They've been getting
crazier and crazier, and TPOSA finally said we're going to
respond to this, and I think I know why they
decided to respond to it, and so I want to
get into some of that first. On some background. As
you guys know, right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
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Candace started a quote unquote investigation and we've been talking
about that I think we were one of the first
to really kind of start slamming her and picking apart
her completely sloppy investigation of the Charlie Kirk's assassination. There's
others out there, you know. The quartering came up pretty early.
Nick Fuentes, I think he was one of the earliest
(05:15):
bronsons a handful of others, Ali, Beth Stucky Zachy. Yeah,
but that's kind of it. There wasn't a lot of
other people coming out and speaking out on her. And
I think what it has to do is with audience capture.
I think a lot of people, especially in our business,
they're afraid they're going to piss off their audience and
(05:36):
lose subscribers and lose followers and have people drop off
with their subscriptions, and so they would just rather play
it safe. And we saw Making Kelly do that around
the time that she did a recent interview with Ben Shapiro,
and Ben Shapiro called out Making Kelly for not saying
something about Candace's insinuating or suggesting or just outright accusing
(05:58):
Erica Kirk of somehow being involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Megan basically hunted and then she erroneously corrected Ben Shapiro
later on on that and said that, oh no, he
was not. She was actually coming out defending Erica Kirk.
Megan was. She got some bad information from her researchers
on that. But that's been kind of the status quo.
(06:21):
And then recently you've seen some bigger names speak up,
like Tim Poole and others start to come forward and
say things now and directly call Candace out. The tide
is turned, let's say, on Candace. But she starts this
investigation in September, and we talked about this early on
(06:42):
when she first started her discussion on Charlie kirk assassination,
and I thought that it was really heartfelt her very
first video. I thought it was pretty heartfelt and gave
the impression that they were very good friends at the
time of his assassination. But from there it started to
go south, and she started to basically shift her investigation
(07:06):
immediately to bringing Israel into the conversation. But she had
one little thing that everyone seemed to latch onto is
She claimed that Charlie was moving away from Israel, and
she had a text that somebody internally at or it
wasn't a text, excuse me, It was like a chat
log that somebody internally at TPUSA gave to her, and
(07:30):
it said that she was going In so many words,
he was saying that he was getting frustrated with donors
and that he might if they continue to push him
a certain way, he's going to have to leave their cause.
And it ended up proving out that that was just
a moment of frustration, because the day of his or
right around the time that he was assassinated, he ended
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up meeting with his rabbi. He had meetings with Josh Hammer,
who's a kind of a noted pro Israel guy, a
conservative Jewish man, trying to get his intake or his
input on how to handle once he goes on this tour,
how is he going to handle some of these negative
comments about Israel that have been, you know, all over
(08:14):
college campuses. Charlie is a guy that was very well
connected and in tune with the youth and kind of
how they were thinking about things, and he knew once
he started this tour that he was going to start
getting those kinds of questions about Israel, and so he
turned to his colleagues to kind of help answer that question.
So he wasn't turning his back on Israel, but he
(08:39):
was displaying some frustrations behind the scenes. And she basically
releases this chat log as if it was some kind
of crazy revelation. It was not a crazy revelation. Everybody
that was watching or knew Charlie could see that he
was having frustrations with Israel. He basically went on the
Megan Kelly Show literally said it publicly that he was
(09:02):
having issue use and frustrations with Israel and the donors,
the Jewish donors that were coming to him.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
And Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do,
a lot of decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have
been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border neoliberal,
quasi Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a
beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for
(09:30):
Jews and they're like, what on earth happened?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So that is kind of how her investigations started. And
I think initially everybody was just kind of like either
not paying attention to what she was doing or sitting
back and seeing where this was going, you know. And
I think, ultimately, if you understand that this woman is
(09:53):
the biggest narcissist imaginable. We called her the quintessential narcissist
in an episode in early October, that she was going
to make this about her, and that was the first
steps this Charlie Kirk assassination. Her first steps of making
it about her were shifting the topic towards Israel because
(10:17):
that was a pet project of hers. One thing that
she did not do is she did not go after
Erica Kirk. And very early on she said, the only
people that can stop her doing this investigation was her
husband and Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No one, and I mean absolutely no one outside of
my husband and Erica Kirk has the power to shut
me up right now.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So she starts coming up with all of these theories.
And do you remember these theories that the crackpot theories?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yes, of course, yes. I have to say that in
the beginning, I wanted to show her some grace, Candice,
and I thought, okay, you know what she's grieving. Her
friend was, you know, brutally assassinated. It was a horrific site.
It's it's you know, I can still see it clearly
in my mind. It will never leave me. And I
(11:09):
thought she's grieving, she's processing this and maybe, you know,
not the best way. Let's see where this goes. Is
she going to come to her senses, But unfortunately she
has just continued on this path and I have to say,
I find it disgusting. I find her to be disgusting.
I am repulsed by her behavior.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And she just started getting whackier and whackier with her
her accusations or this investigation. But first to start off
as sloppy, you know, she first, you know, accused Josh
Hammer of having pre knowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination because
he tweeted something out about a public execution and being
four public executions right before Charlie Kirk's assassination. Turns out
(11:55):
that that had to do with Irena, the North Carolina
refugee from Ukraine that was stabbed in the neck and
we and he was talking about that, and there was
news that came out that day that made everybody react
in that way as we did at that time. We
actually published or tweeted out something stating that we were
for public executions on that that's the same time, So
(12:18):
did we have you know, foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination,
of course not. She messed up on the UTC time,
thinking that that was Utah time for these planes. She
came up with this theory that there were these Egyptian planes,
that this Egyptian plane that landed in Utah and that
took off right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. She
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looked at the time and saw UTC and thought that
was Utah time, And it turns out that that was actually,
I believe it's universal time accordinate something along those lines.
But it was well after the assassination that that plane,
excuse me, before the assassination, that that plane took off.
She go she saw that, and she knew that she
(13:03):
was wrong, and she just said, you know, uh, you know,
it's still my Sterey film. My theory still works.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Because she had her dreams as evidence. Well, she had
these dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Mommy sloths that she talks about. She has these mommy
sloths that are feeding her information. And this mommy sleuth,
although it was a male sleuth, gave her this kind
of information about these Egyptian planes that were out there
that were Later she started to evolve into these things
are falling around Erica Kirk this plane and had been
(13:35):
falling around Erica Kirk for multiple years. Like you mentioned,
she said that she had dreams and she was using
dreams as evidence.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
She was like, missus cleo, what was it, missus cleo,
I'm saying it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Was, yeah, life, missus cleo, don't go blindly through life.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Let me use the power of the tyrot to show
you the way coming.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Out for your free reading.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So she had dreams thing going on. Then she starts
to see suspicion in the TPUSA executives, and that was
something that I thought was just like, oh, okay, now
she's going into a completely different direction. And that's when
we started to say, okay, show some evidence, and we
sat back to see if there was any evidence, and
she showed no evidence. What she would do is is
(14:25):
she would make this list of lies. She called them
the TPUSA executives were saying and as some form of evidence. Really,
what the what these lies were that she was listing
off were the worst interpretations of things that happened. And
it was just as simple as that. One example is
(14:47):
that she claimed that there was some doge effort that
Charlie kicked off within TPUSA, and that that could potentially
have been the reason why he was assassinated by the executives.
There was because he was going to find some kind
of money. Shanani and agains that the executives were doing
no evidence of that. She'd had some kind of a
(15:07):
tip that he launched some kind of a doge effort.
Apparently the executive came forward and said, yeah, he does
that all the time. He does that every year. He's
always looking for cost savings. She claimed that the FBI
was hiding the timecode on them, but then she would
show text messages of Charlie Kirk that didn't have the
time code. So she didn't have the journalistic integrity that
(15:28):
she was basically asking of the FBI. And anytime she
got something wrong, you could not question those things that
she was getting wrong, but you could quite any little
misstep by the FBI, any little misstatement by the FBI,
and that showed a conspiracy because she has a bunch
of q tart, a huge q tart audience. Then she
(15:51):
st starts to subtly bring Erica Kirk into the equation.
So I want to get into how she starts to
first go at Erica Kirk, and we're going to do
that right after the break, but first you're listening to
(16:13):
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Kirk beef.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
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Speaker 1 (16:49):
So Candace Owens said that she would stop investigating Charlie
Kirk's assassination if Erica Kirk said stop. And I think
a lot of people thought, maybe she's taught talking to
Erica Kirk behind the scenes, Maybe she is working with
Erica Kirk, because Erica Kirk was kind of quiet on everything. Now,
(17:13):
a logical person would say, she's just had to take
over an enormous nonprofit. Her husband was just brutally assassinated publicly.
She has kids, She isn't listening to everything that Candace
Owans is saying, and at the time, she wasn't really
going at TPUSA executive so much. She was just kind
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of going the Israel route, and everyone was probably like, Okay,
this is Kandace doing her anti Israel thing. So I
think a lot of people were thinking Erica Kirk might
be talking to her behind the scenes because she is
playing this role of how close her and Charlie Kirk were.
They were just best It was her best friend, and
(17:54):
so you're thinking, well, obviously if they're best friends, then
she must be friends with Erica Kirk as well. Right,
So everybody, I think kind of gave her the benefit
of the day out, but her audience was craving. They
wanted her to go at Erica Kirk. He could see
it in the comments under her podcast. They wanted her
to start attacking Erica Kirk, and she smartly avoided that,
(18:19):
and she addressed it in one of her podcasts.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Okay, so I want to address this.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So many people have been writing into us, sending us emails,
people that are paying in super chats, asking me to
address Erica Kirk, And I guess my question back would
be what is there for me to address?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
She hasn't sat down for a long interview.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All we have seen from Erica has been the speech
at the memorial event for Charlie Kirk. I see the
innuendo that is online. I am interested in investigating who
killed Charlie Kirk and the people that I have been
reserving my eyr for my smoke, for my investigation for
are the people that are blatantly lying?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What lie?
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Has Erica told that I'm supposed to be focused on?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Has she said something about did she come out and
say Charlie never had an issue with Israel in the end,
he loved Israel to his dying breath.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
She hasn't done that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So that was kind of her take on it. And
she was waiting for this Jesse Waters interview to happen
to kind of see where that went. And I think
that it was a kind of an interesting thing to
see that she was holding back and she was this
whole time. She was kind of explaining to her audience
that she was the one, the only one that was
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kind of really looking out for Charlie and that Charlie
came to her in a dream and said that he
was betrayed, and she started to play this this savior
kind of role. And at the time she hadn't primed
her audience enough to really or the public, I should say,
because a lot of her audience wanted her to go
(19:55):
to Erkakirk, go at Ericakirk, but the general public had
not yet been primed to do that. But after after
this Jesse Waters interview, she decides to just subtly go
at Erica and it had to do with his with
the succession plan. She thought that here is a man
(20:17):
that was smart, that had, you know, a lot of
money on the line, that he would probably have gone
to his lawyers to set up a succession plan. And
so this was the line of attack that she went on.
And after that interview, this is what she had to say, this.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Organization in Martin. She left me the blueprint and all
of his journals.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But more so, but wait, Charlie was thinking, like a
boy genius, he's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have
maybe formalized that succession plan outside of like a diary,
maybe call one of his many lawyers, maybe formalize it
in a will, because that's what you're supposed to do.
If you are thinking about dying and you need to
make a plan, you make a will. I'm sure we
had a will, but no, you want to put it
in these notebooks. And then the plan was to guilt us,
(21:00):
I think, to try to haunt us with the ghost
of Charlie's notebooks that were never going to be allowed
to read, but we're supposed to accept that they most
definitely read, like for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you agree. I think their thought process was it
will be much easier for us to control the spirits
of Charlie Kirk than the actual living, breathing Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So that was a very subtle attack there in that
she is claiming that they could not control the living
Charlie Kirk, so they needed to control the dead Charlie Kirk.
And in order to have that narrative work, you have
to have Erica Kirk on board with that as part
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of that plan, because she took over for Charlie. Now
I'm going to say this, I wasn't necessarily fond of
her taking over for Charlie Kirk. I understood why, and
because she's an obvious choice. She is his wife. She
probably heard the ins and outs. If I was to
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leave Red Pilled America, it would be Adrianna that would
take over the show, obviously. But TPUSA is a little
bit of a different organization than say Red Pilled America.
It is a gatekeeper for the conservative movement. It does
decide who is and is not mainstream conservative, and so
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having that gatekeeper there is it's a big role. And
for Erica to step into that position, it is kind
of something that she's going to have to face some
scrutiny now, scrutiny by Candace Owens. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Not.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If Candace Owens is the good friend that she had
claimed she was with Charlie Kirk, it makes no sense
for her to be going at Erica Kirk. She is
claiming that Charlie Kirk is her best friend, has been
her best friend. Why would she go at her best
friend's wife. But I didn't like the fact that she
was kind of put out there right in that position,
(23:06):
in under that fire. But you know, they made the
decision to do that, and who are we to criticize.
Kind of, let the dust settle and let's kind of
see where this thing goes. So but that is her
first kind of subtle attack. She starts going harder at
the TPUSA executives. She starts to implicate Donald Trump into
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the assassination. Then she starts to do what every narcissist
would do. She went for a complete shift to make
his murder all about Candace OANs. And how does she
do that? She basically says that she got some kind
of a tip from somebody high up in the French administration,
(23:49):
Emmanuel Macrone, that claimed that the Macrones put a hit
on Candaces OANs to kill her, and that they were
involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And why because
they wanted to avert divert her attention away from her
investigation into Bridget Macrone. And to do that, of course,
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what are they gonna do. They're gonna kill Candice Owen's
best friend, and then she's gonna stop talking about the
Macrones and focus in on her best friend, Charlie Kirk. Okay,
that was one of the craziest jiu jitsu moves that
I have ever seen. I've never seen a jiu jitsu
move of that nature. I mean, if you were to
write out a program for an AI to slowly show
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your narcissism. That would have been you know, lying like
fifty three, not line ten. She immediately switches everything away
from Charlie Kirk and to her. She is now right
in the middle of the murder of Charlie Kirk. It
was shocking. And of course she shows no receipts, no
(25:00):
you know, payments to any hitman. By the way, these
people are so stupid that they pay fifteen hundred dollars,
excuse me, one point five million dollars to an assassin
and the assassin doesn't kill her and then leaks it
to the public. Okay, Then Candace Owens does the thing
that draws the attention of TPUSA until up until this point,
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TPUSA really didn't know what to do. They did, they
spoke out a little bit on it, but most of
the things, most of their reaction was to ignore her.
They're thinking, you know, let's ignore her and see if
this goes away.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And by the way, I feel like that with a narcissist,
that's actually usually a good move, because there's nothing at
a narcissist hates more than being ignored. They love the
attention on them, that's what they're trying to get. And
so by not giving her that attention, I thought that
up until that point that was a good move.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So what basically made TPUSA start to make a move
was that Candace Owens called on every everybody to stop
donating to TPUSA and to ask for refunds for their donations.
And once she did that, TPUSA had to respond. I mean,
that is their bread and butter, that is their lifeblood,
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is their donations. And now you have this person with
one of the biggest platforms in the United States, if
not the world as far as her podcast goes, and
she is claiming that she's telling the public to not
donate to this company, that the executives were involved in
Charlie Kirk's murder. And that made TPUSA respond. So a
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TPOSA representative comes forward and basically says, you know, we're
going to respond to her accusations. On December fifteenth.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in
our court. So here's what is going to happen in
the near future. There will be a live stream here
in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive
way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have
been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here
(27:08):
at turning Point, we plan to walk through everything carefully
and thoroughly. If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome
her participation in that live stream at our studio here
in Phoenix. At this point, we believe the ball is
back in her court. Our motivation for doing this is
not out of any obligation to Candace. It is about
(27:30):
honoring Charlie. We feel a deep responsibility to protect his legacy,
his work, and the truth. I feel that I owe
Charlie everything in my life. I feel it immensely, and
that is why we feel compelled to speak clearly and openly.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
We'll have more on this in the near future.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yay, Finally, you didn't have to get through all that
shade that you were throwing me to get to the
point that you are willing to answer questions and the
right person cross from you and to ask you questions. Right,
some things that you told me on that day, they're
not adding up. I think the entire world would like
to see this discussion. You can pick the place you
can pick with time, I say, we do it.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
We don't need to plan for this. We need lawyers
in between us lawyer statements. It's not how I roll. Okay,
I don't care about any of that. I wanted to
be authentic, Like I said, you can take the money.
We can raise money live for this conversation. That is
how badly the world is demanding it. So I accept
it with whistles and bells everything I fully accept.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
I say, let's do it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Okay. So she says that she wants to stand across
from them and look them in the eye. He clearly
said let's do this in person. She says, yes, let's
do it immediately, and then she backs out.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'm at four pm Eastern two pm Local time on Monday,
December fifteenth, from Charlie's Phoenix studio. Our offer from yesterday
holds if Cannice wishes to join us in person in Phoenix,
you can pick the place. You can pick with time.
I'm obvious, Lee, leading up to Christmas. This is that's
the last week of our show. Obviously it's a pretty
(29:08):
busy week. You can pick the place, you can pick
the time, But now they need to have it in
person in Phoenix on December fifteenth, or they cannot have
me at all.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
There you have it. She was clearly said you could
pick the place, you could pick the time. They picked
the place, they picked the time, and then she basically
says never mind. So yeah, then Candace is you know,
claiming that she has the French legion legionnaire coming to
kill her and assassinate her. But then you start seeing
(29:39):
pictures of her out and about at events where she
is hanging out with other people. Do I have some
of those here?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I hope so, because I don't know what kind of
a mother is frightened of being She's being assassinated, a
foreign country has put out a hit on her. Yet
here she is at a party, schmoozing, smiling and by
the way, the ugliest top I've ever seen in my life.
What the hell is she wearing?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Allow?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's like a Halloween costume in December?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't really definitely not a what are those like?
Silly Christmas?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
She looks like a minion, I'm not kidding. Does she
actually is dressed exactly like a minion?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So here she is, you know, out and about. I
think it was some kind of an event where you
see what's his name? What's that guy's name again? Jason,
Jason Whitlock and several other people that were it must
have been a blaze event because there's a lot of
blaze kind of people is there. So, you know, it
just kind of underscores how ridiculous this whole lesionnaire French
(30:40):
lesionaire assassination, you know, fear that she has on her.
So this is the point where you start having some
big major personalities, conservative personalities come forward. You have Tim
Pool come out and basically just laid into her with
a profanity laced video discussion on her and called her,
(31:01):
you know, basically a bunch of different things. You next Tuesday, Yeah,
I see you next Tuesday exactly. So Erica Kirk comes
forward and she decides that it's time to start talking
about things. And she is promoting a book that I
guess Charlie had been working on, uh and they are
(31:22):
releasing it posthumously. And here she is with a interview
with Fox News and it becomes very clear that she
is talking to Candice Owens.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Come after me, call me names, I don't care, call
me what you want, go down that rabbit hole whatever.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
But when you go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
After my family, my Turning Point, USA family, my Charlie
Kirk Show family. When you go after the people that
I love, and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars
every single episode going after the people that I love
because somehow they're in on this.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
No, you know, I have to say it.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I've never seen you like that.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
No, I'm very this is righteous anger because this is
not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes,
I believe in our jewdicial system.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I do.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
We have a hell of a team working on this.
Excuse my French, but this is not okay. So you
want to put these people back in the box where
they've been creeping from. I don't care what box you're in,
but just know that your words are very powerful, and
we are human. My team are not machines, and they're
(32:41):
not robots. They are human. We have more death threats
on our team and our side than I have ever seen.
I have kidnapping threats, I have you name it, we
have it. And my poor team is exhausted. And every
time they bring this back up, what are we supposed
to do relive that trauma all over again? They watched
my husband get murdered. I have no idea how I
(33:02):
would have reacted if I was there that day, and
think the Good Lord that I did not have to
see that happen. But my team, they are rocked the core,
So why every single day did they have to be
dragged through the mud, analyzed, hyper analyzed?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
So, you know what, I'm sorry. I just have to
say that I'm so relieved to hear her say that
she was not there that day.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I agree, I agree, I thought she was, and I
thought she.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Was rumor and that you know that her littlest daughter
ran up to them. I don't know if that's her
or not. It's probably not, given that she wasn't there. Yeah,
I am gosh, thank God, thank god she wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So there's at one point she comes straight out and
tells Candace to stop. And here's a quick clip of
that the podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Are Candace Owens Okay, at one time a friend of Charlie's,
at one time an employee of Turning Point. She has
been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies and
she has me a huge amount of money on it.
She is building her business off of these lives. What
do you want to say to her and the other
(34:12):
people that are putting these lies out into the world
right now.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Stop, that's it. That's all I have to say. Stop.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
When that line of questioning started, Erica Kirk had a big,
beautiful smile on her face the minute that Barry Weiss said,
Candice Owens, I mean, her entire demeanor just changed. Wow.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
We were told that.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
If we said stop, they would stop, and we said stop,
and I'll say it again, please stop.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's a no from me, but you know me, I'm
just out here saying what needs to be said. We'll
be right back after a brief message from our sponsors.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So there's you have it. She said that she would
stop if Erica Kirk said that asked her to stop.
Erica Kirk asked her to stop on multiple occasions directly,
and now she's saying no, and she went a lot
farther than that. She went on the attack.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Now.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I wasn't sure about Erica.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I was waiting kind of a situation for her to
be in, obviously having lost her husband.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, before we go on there, do you hear what
she said there? She said she wasn't sure about her.
She's kind of waiting. She doesn't know this woman. How
close could her and Charlie Kirk have been if she
doesn't even know his husband. She doesn't her husband, Yeah,
her husband. She did not know Erica Kirk, and that
(35:50):
should tell you a little bit about the relationship between
her and Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It is this idea that well, now the widow has spoken,
we're not dealing with the widow. We want the CEO
and the chairman of Turning Point USA to answer. Okay,
you got If you can't complimentalize, then I don't see
how you're going to be.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
To lead this organization in the future.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Because Charlie, Charlie worked. We knew what Charlie was, because
he was authentic. Okay, he didn't just go well, I
only make time for like big pocket donors.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He was sitting college campuses, he was speaking to people,
understanding people, he was changing his ideas, and he was
changing minds. And you are not changing my mind about
the fact that something weird happened that day and that
TPUSA is acting funny because you give give it an
impassioned plea and speak about Neamayah on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Okay, So she's taken the position that that Erica Kirk
is hiding something. She's trying to destroy tp USA. She's
trying to go at their the source of their power,
which is their donors, and she's trying to get them
to stop giving donations, and she's trying to get them
to people to ask for refund She is specifically trying
(37:05):
to destroy the company that Charlie Kirk built, the legacy
that he built, and the means of feeding Charlie Kirk's
family and feeding Charlie Kirk's kids. She's going directly at them. Now,
Why why is Candice Owens going at and trying to
destroy TPUSA. I want to get to that and we're
(37:29):
going to discuss that in Part two. Join us over
there right now.
This is red pilled America. Candice is destroying TPUSA right now.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Had a vivid dream this weekend, and Charlie came to
me and he told me that he was betrayed.
Speaker 3 (00:19):
Because she had her dreams as evident.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
She was like, missus cleo, don't go blindly.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Let me lose the.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Power of the tyrol called missus cleo, come now for
your free reading.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
A foreign country has put out a hit on her,
yet here she is at a party and by the way,
the ugliest top I've ever seen in my life. What
the hell is she wearing? She looks like a minion.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
She wrote an article that kind of rationalized straight women
marrying gay men, which I.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
Think is kind of aesday. So she's for the lavender marriage.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
It seems kind of strange.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Because it is I've known a lot of bad people
in my life, but I have to say, I don't
think I've ever known an actual pimp.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
There's logic holes throughout her entire narrative.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You know what I think she is. I think she's
a woman scorned guy.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
I think that they should deport Milo.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
She's a cancer in this movement.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
If you really look at who she is, she believes
in narcissism.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
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Christmas season. I know that we are. My wife has
nailed all the presents and I just get to kind
of show up and pretend like I'm Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
What is that? Like?
Speaker 3 (03:01):
My gosh, you're so lucky.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
I am.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Let me tell you something. I am in the weeds.
I'm in the Christmas weeds. I have so much rapping
to do. I have bought all the gifts because that's
tie roll. I get everything Black Friday, you.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Do, I fail it quick.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Although I have to say that I did drop the
ball on something. For the first time in about eighteen years.
I did not do a Christmas card.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know, you didn't drop the ball on it. It
was conscious. It was a conscious decision. I think at
the end of the day, we just got too busy
and we had to kind of pick and choose our battles,
and that was the one.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
That was the one that that it got dropped this year.
Although I'm going to come back next year.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
You'll come back and stronger bigger and stronger. A lot
to talk about today, and it's a topic that I
hate to discuss. I hate to discuss it because narcissists
love attention, and we're going to give a narcissist to
attention today. I'm sure you guys are all very familiar
with everything that's been going on with Candace Owens, TPUSA,
(04:06):
Erica Kirk. I want to break it down. I want
to kind of do a deep dive into this and
kind of give some background on it right before they
give their big expose next week. TPUSA is going to
be responding to all of the allegations that Candace Owens
has been putting out there, or missus cleo, as I
like to put it, she is going she has been
(04:28):
making some wild, wild accusations at TPUSA. They've been getting
crazier and crazier, and TPOSA finally said we're going to
respond to this, and I think I know why they
decided to respond to it, and so I want to
get into some of that first. On some background. As
you guys know, right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk,
(04:52):
Candace started a quote unquote investigation and we've been talking
about that I think we were one of the first
to really kind of start slamming her and picking apart
her completely sloppy investigation of the Charlie Kirk's assassination. There's
others out there, you know. The quartering came up pretty early.
Nick Fuentes, I think he was one of the earliest
(05:15):
bronsons a handful of others, Ali, Beth Stucky Zachy. Yeah,
but that's kind of it. There wasn't a lot of
other people coming out and speaking out on her. And
I think what it has to do is with audience capture.
I think a lot of people, especially in our business,
they're afraid they're going to piss off their audience and
(05:36):
lose subscribers and lose followers and have people drop off
with their subscriptions, and so they would just rather play
it safe. And we saw Making Kelly do that around
the time that she did a recent interview with Ben Shapiro,
and Ben Shapiro called out Making Kelly for not saying
something about Candace's insinuating or suggesting or just outright accusing
(05:58):
Erica Kirk of somehow being involved in Charlie Kirk's assassination.
Megan basically hunted and then she erroneously corrected Ben Shapiro
later on on that and said that, oh no, he
was not. She was actually coming out defending Erica Kirk.
Megan was. She got some bad information from her researchers
on that. But that's been kind of the status quo.
(06:21):
And then recently you've seen some bigger names speak up,
like Tim Poole and others start to come forward and
say things now and directly call Candace out. The tide
is turned, let's say, on Candace. But she starts this
investigation in September, and we talked about this early on
(06:42):
when she first started her discussion on Charlie kirk assassination,
and I thought that it was really heartfelt her very
first video. I thought it was pretty heartfelt and gave
the impression that they were very good friends at the
time of his assassination. But from there it started to
go south, and she started to basically shift her investigation
(07:06):
immediately to bringing Israel into the conversation. But she had
one little thing that everyone seemed to latch onto is
She claimed that Charlie was moving away from Israel, and
she had a text that somebody internally at or it
wasn't a text, excuse me, It was like a chat
log that somebody internally at TPUSA gave to her, and
(07:30):
it said that she was going In so many words,
he was saying that he was getting frustrated with donors
and that he might if they continue to push him
a certain way, he's going to have to leave their cause.
And it ended up proving out that that was just
a moment of frustration, because the day of his or
right around the time that he was assassinated, he ended
(07:52):
up meeting with his rabbi. He had meetings with Josh Hammer,
who's a kind of a noted pro Israel guy, a
conservative Jewish man, trying to get his intake or his
input on how to handle once he goes on this tour,
how is he going to handle some of these negative
comments about Israel that have been, you know, all over
(08:14):
college campuses. Charlie is a guy that was very well
connected and in tune with the youth and kind of
how they were thinking about things, and he knew once
he started this tour that he was going to start
getting those kinds of questions about Israel, and so he
turned to his colleagues to kind of help answer that question.
So he wasn't turning his back on Israel, but he
(08:39):
was displaying some frustrations behind the scenes. And she basically
releases this chat log as if it was some kind
of crazy revelation. It was not a crazy revelation. Everybody
that was watching or knew Charlie could see that he
was having frustrations with Israel. He basically went on the
Megan Kelly Show literally said it publicly that he was
(09:02):
having issue use and frustrations with Israel and the donors,
the Jewish donors that were coming to him.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
And Jewish donors, they have a lot of explaining to do,
a lot of decoupling to do, because Jewish donors have
been the number one funding mechanism of radical open border neoliberal,
quasi Marxist policies, cultural institutions, and nonprofits. This is a
beast created by secular Jews, and now it's coming for
(09:30):
Jews and they're like, what on earth happened?
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So that is kind of how her investigations started. And
I think initially everybody was just kind of like either
not paying attention to what she was doing or sitting
back and seeing where this was going, you know. And
I think, ultimately, if you understand that this woman is
(09:53):
the biggest narcissist imaginable. We called her the quintessential narcissist
in an episode in early October, that she was going
to make this about her, and that was the first
steps this Charlie Kirk assassination. Her first steps of making
it about her were shifting the topic towards Israel because
(10:17):
that was a pet project of hers. One thing that
she did not do is she did not go after
Erica Kirk. And very early on she said, the only
people that can stop her doing this investigation was her
husband and Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (10:32):
No one, and I mean absolutely no one outside of
my husband and Erica Kirk has the power to shut
me up right now.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
So she starts coming up with all of these theories.
And do you remember these theories that the crackpot theories?
Speaker 3 (10:47):
Yes, of course, yes. I have to say that in
the beginning, I wanted to show her some grace, Candice,
and I thought, okay, you know what she's grieving. Her
friend was, you know, brutally assassinated. It was a horrific site.
It's it's you know, I can still see it clearly
in my mind. It will never leave me. And I
(11:09):
thought she's grieving, she's processing this and maybe, you know,
not the best way. Let's see where this goes. Is
she going to come to her senses, But unfortunately she
has just continued on this path and I have to say,
I find it disgusting. I find her to be disgusting.
I am repulsed by her behavior.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And she just started getting whackier and whackier with her
her accusations or this investigation. But first to start off
as sloppy, you know, she first, you know, accused Josh
Hammer of having pre knowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination because
he tweeted something out about a public execution and being
four public executions right before Charlie Kirk's assassination. Turns out
(11:55):
that that had to do with Irena, the North Carolina
refugee from Ukraine that was stabbed in the neck and
we and he was talking about that, and there was
news that came out that day that made everybody react
in that way as we did at that time. We
actually published or tweeted out something stating that we were
for public executions on that that's the same time, So
(12:18):
did we have you know, foreknowledge of Charlie Kirk's assassination,
of course not. She messed up on the UTC time,
thinking that that was Utah time for these planes. She
came up with this theory that there were these Egyptian planes,
that this Egyptian plane that landed in Utah and that
took off right after the assassination of Charlie Kirk. She
(12:42):
looked at the time and saw UTC and thought that
was Utah time, And it turns out that that was actually,
I believe it's universal time accordinate something along those lines.
But it was well after the assassination that that plane,
excuse me, before the assassination, that that plane took off.
She go she saw that, and she knew that she
(13:03):
was wrong, and she just said, you know, uh, you know,
it's still my Sterey film. My theory still works.
Speaker 3 (13:09):
Because she had her dreams as evidence. Well, she had
these dreams.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Mommy sloths that she talks about. She has these mommy
sloths that are feeding her information. And this mommy sleuth,
although it was a male sleuth, gave her this kind
of information about these Egyptian planes that were out there
that were Later she started to evolve into these things
are falling around Erica Kirk this plane and had been
(13:35):
falling around Erica Kirk for multiple years. Like you mentioned,
she said that she had dreams and she was using
dreams as evidence.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
She was like, missus cleo, what was it, missus cleo,
I'm saying it.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Was, yeah, life, missus cleo, don't go blindly through life.
Speaker 7 (13:56):
Let me use the power of the tyrot to show
you the way coming.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
Out for your free reading.
Speaker 1 (14:02):
So she had dreams thing going on. Then she starts
to see suspicion in the TPUSA executives, and that was
something that I thought was just like, oh, okay, now
she's going into a completely different direction. And that's when
we started to say, okay, show some evidence, and we
sat back to see if there was any evidence, and
she showed no evidence. What she would do is is
(14:25):
she would make this list of lies. She called them
the TPUSA executives were saying and as some form of evidence. Really,
what the what these lies were that she was listing
off were the worst interpretations of things that happened. And
it was just as simple as that. One example is
(14:47):
that she claimed that there was some doge effort that
Charlie kicked off within TPUSA, and that that could potentially
have been the reason why he was assassinated by the executives.
There was because he was going to find some kind
of money. Shanani and agains that the executives were doing
no evidence of that. She'd had some kind of a
(15:07):
tip that he launched some kind of a doge effort.
Apparently the executive came forward and said, yeah, he does
that all the time. He does that every year. He's
always looking for cost savings. She claimed that the FBI
was hiding the timecode on them, but then she would
show text messages of Charlie Kirk that didn't have the
time code. So she didn't have the journalistic integrity that
(15:28):
she was basically asking of the FBI. And anytime she
got something wrong, you could not question those things that
she was getting wrong, but you could quite any little
misstep by the FBI, any little misstatement by the FBI,
and that showed a conspiracy because she has a bunch
of q tart, a huge q tart audience. Then she
(15:51):
st starts to subtly bring Erica Kirk into the equation.
So I want to get into how she starts to
first go at Erica Kirk, and we're going to do
that right after the break, but first you're listening to
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Speaker 1 (16:49):
So Candace Owens said that she would stop investigating Charlie
Kirk's assassination if Erica Kirk said stop. And I think
a lot of people thought, maybe she's taught talking to
Erica Kirk behind the scenes, Maybe she is working with
Erica Kirk, because Erica Kirk was kind of quiet on everything. Now,
(17:13):
a logical person would say, she's just had to take
over an enormous nonprofit. Her husband was just brutally assassinated publicly.
She has kids, She isn't listening to everything that Candace
Owans is saying, and at the time, she wasn't really
going at TPUSA executive so much. She was just kind
(17:34):
of going the Israel route, and everyone was probably like, Okay,
this is Kandace doing her anti Israel thing. So I
think a lot of people were thinking Erica Kirk might
be talking to her behind the scenes because she is
playing this role of how close her and Charlie Kirk were.
They were just best It was her best friend, and
(17:54):
so you're thinking, well, obviously if they're best friends, then
she must be friends with Erica Kirk as well. Right,
So everybody, I think kind of gave her the benefit
of the day out, but her audience was craving. They
wanted her to go at Erica Kirk. He could see
it in the comments under her podcast. They wanted her
to start attacking Erica Kirk, and she smartly avoided that,
(18:19):
and she addressed it in one of her podcasts.
Speaker 7 (18:22):
Okay, so I want to address this.
Speaker 2 (18:23):
So many people have been writing into us, sending us emails,
people that are paying in super chats, asking me to
address Erica Kirk, And I guess my question back would
be what is there for me to address?
Speaker 7 (18:35):
She hasn't sat down for a long interview.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
All we have seen from Erica has been the speech
at the memorial event for Charlie Kirk. I see the
innuendo that is online. I am interested in investigating who
killed Charlie Kirk and the people that I have been
reserving my eyr for my smoke, for my investigation for
are the people that are blatantly lying?
Speaker 3 (19:00):
What lie?
Speaker 7 (19:00):
Has Erica told that I'm supposed to be focused on?
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Okay?
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Has she said something about did she come out and
say Charlie never had an issue with Israel in the end,
he loved Israel to his dying breath.
Speaker 7 (19:11):
She hasn't done that.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
So that was kind of her take on it. And
she was waiting for this Jesse Waters interview to happen
to kind of see where that went. And I think
that it was a kind of an interesting thing to
see that she was holding back and she was this
whole time. She was kind of explaining to her audience
that she was the one, the only one that was
(19:35):
kind of really looking out for Charlie and that Charlie
came to her in a dream and said that he
was betrayed, and she started to play this this savior
kind of role. And at the time she hadn't primed
her audience enough to really or the public, I should say,
because a lot of her audience wanted her to go
(19:55):
to Erkakirk, go at Ericakirk, but the general public had
not yet been primed to do that. But after after
this Jesse Waters interview, she decides to just subtly go
at Erica and it had to do with his with
the succession plan. She thought that here is a man
(20:17):
that was smart, that had, you know, a lot of
money on the line, that he would probably have gone
to his lawyers to set up a succession plan. And
so this was the line of attack that she went on.
And after that interview, this is what she had to say, this.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
Organization in Martin. She left me the blueprint and all
of his journals.
Speaker 2 (20:39):
But more so, but wait, Charlie was thinking, like a
boy genius, he's a pretty bright kid. Wouldn't he have
maybe formalized that succession plan outside of like a diary,
maybe call one of his many lawyers, maybe formalize it
in a will, because that's what you're supposed to do.
If you are thinking about dying and you need to
make a plan, you make a will. I'm sure we
had a will, but no, you want to put it
in these notebooks. And then the plan was to guilt us,
(21:00):
I think, to try to haunt us with the ghost
of Charlie's notebooks that were never going to be allowed
to read, but we're supposed to accept that they most
definitely read, like for sure.
Speaker 7 (21:11):
That's what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (21:12):
Do you agree. I think their thought process was it
will be much easier for us to control the spirits
of Charlie Kirk than the actual living, breathing Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
So that was a very subtle attack there in that
she is claiming that they could not control the living
Charlie Kirk, so they needed to control the dead Charlie Kirk.
And in order to have that narrative work, you have
to have Erica Kirk on board with that as part
(21:44):
of that plan, because she took over for Charlie. Now
I'm going to say this, I wasn't necessarily fond of
her taking over for Charlie Kirk. I understood why, and
because she's an obvious choice. She is his wife. She
probably heard the ins and outs. If I was to
(22:05):
leave Red Pilled America, it would be Adrianna that would
take over the show, obviously. But TPUSA is a little
bit of a different organization than say Red Pilled America.
It is a gatekeeper for the conservative movement. It does
decide who is and is not mainstream conservative, and so
(22:28):
having that gatekeeper there is it's a big role. And
for Erica to step into that position, it is kind
of something that she's going to have to face some
scrutiny now, scrutiny by Candace Owens. No, I don't think so.
Speaker 6 (22:44):
Not.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
If Candace Owens is the good friend that she had
claimed she was with Charlie Kirk, it makes no sense
for her to be going at Erica Kirk. She is
claiming that Charlie Kirk is her best friend, has been
her best friend. Why would she go at her best
friend's wife. But I didn't like the fact that she
was kind of put out there right in that position,
(23:06):
in under that fire. But you know, they made the
decision to do that, and who are we to criticize.
Kind of, let the dust settle and let's kind of
see where this thing goes. So but that is her
first kind of subtle attack. She starts going harder at
the TPUSA executives. She starts to implicate Donald Trump into
(23:28):
the assassination. Then she starts to do what every narcissist
would do. She went for a complete shift to make
his murder all about Candace OANs. And how does she
do that? She basically says that she got some kind
of a tip from somebody high up in the French administration,
(23:49):
Emmanuel Macrone, that claimed that the Macrones put a hit
on Candaces OANs to kill her, and that they were
involved in the assassination of Charlie Kirk. And why because
they wanted to avert divert her attention away from her
investigation into Bridget Macrone. And to do that, of course,
(24:10):
what are they gonna do. They're gonna kill Candice Owen's
best friend, and then she's gonna stop talking about the
Macrones and focus in on her best friend, Charlie Kirk. Okay,
that was one of the craziest jiu jitsu moves that
I have ever seen. I've never seen a jiu jitsu
move of that nature. I mean, if you were to
write out a program for an AI to slowly show
(24:34):
your narcissism. That would have been you know, lying like
fifty three, not line ten. She immediately switches everything away
from Charlie Kirk and to her. She is now right
in the middle of the murder of Charlie Kirk. It
was shocking. And of course she shows no receipts, no
(25:00):
you know, payments to any hitman. By the way, these
people are so stupid that they pay fifteen hundred dollars,
excuse me, one point five million dollars to an assassin
and the assassin doesn't kill her and then leaks it
to the public. Okay, Then Candace Owens does the thing
that draws the attention of TPUSA until up until this point,
(25:23):
TPUSA really didn't know what to do. They did, they
spoke out a little bit on it, but most of
the things, most of their reaction was to ignore her.
They're thinking, you know, let's ignore her and see if
this goes away.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
And by the way, I feel like that with a narcissist,
that's actually usually a good move, because there's nothing at
a narcissist hates more than being ignored. They love the
attention on them, that's what they're trying to get. And
so by not giving her that attention, I thought that
up until that point that was a good move.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
So what basically made TPUSA start to make a move
was that Candace Owens called on every everybody to stop
donating to TPUSA and to ask for refunds for their donations.
And once she did that, TPUSA had to respond. I mean,
that is their bread and butter, that is their lifeblood,
(26:18):
is their donations. And now you have this person with
one of the biggest platforms in the United States, if
not the world as far as her podcast goes, and
she is claiming that she's telling the public to not
donate to this company, that the executives were involved in
Charlie Kirk's murder. And that made TPUSA respond. So a
(26:39):
TPOSA representative comes forward and basically says, you know, we're
going to respond to her accusations. On December fifteenth.
Speaker 8 (26:47):
Candace has mentioned several times that the ball is in
our court. So here's what is going to happen in
the near future. There will be a live stream here
in Phoenix where we address in a clear and comprehensive
way the claims and accusations, the false accusations that have
been made against Charlie's family, friends, and the people here
(27:08):
at turning Point, we plan to walk through everything carefully
and thoroughly. If Candace is available, we would sincerely welcome
her participation in that live stream at our studio here
in Phoenix. At this point, we believe the ball is
back in her court. Our motivation for doing this is
not out of any obligation to Candace. It is about
(27:30):
honoring Charlie. We feel a deep responsibility to protect his legacy,
his work, and the truth. I feel that I owe
Charlie everything in my life. I feel it immensely, and
that is why we feel compelled to speak clearly and openly.
Speaker 3 (27:47):
Now.
Speaker 8 (27:48):
We'll have more on this in the near future.
Speaker 2 (27:53):
Yay, Finally, you didn't have to get through all that
shade that you were throwing me to get to the
point that you are willing to answer questions and the
right person cross from you and to ask you questions. Right,
some things that you told me on that day, they're
not adding up. I think the entire world would like
to see this discussion. You can pick the place you
can pick with time, I say, we do it.
Speaker 7 (28:13):
Tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
We don't need to plan for this. We need lawyers
in between us lawyer statements. It's not how I roll. Okay,
I don't care about any of that. I wanted to
be authentic, Like I said, you can take the money.
We can raise money live for this conversation. That is
how badly the world is demanding it. So I accept
it with whistles and bells everything I fully accept.
Speaker 7 (28:33):
I say, let's do it tomorrow.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
Okay. So she says that she wants to stand across
from them and look them in the eye. He clearly
said let's do this in person. She says, yes, let's
do it immediately, and then she backs out.
Speaker 2 (28:48):
I'm at four pm Eastern two pm Local time on Monday,
December fifteenth, from Charlie's Phoenix studio. Our offer from yesterday
holds if Cannice wishes to join us in person in Phoenix,
you can pick the place. You can pick with time.
I'm obvious, Lee, leading up to Christmas. This is that's
the last week of our show. Obviously it's a pretty
(29:08):
busy week. You can pick the place, you can pick
the time, But now they need to have it in
person in Phoenix on December fifteenth, or they cannot have
me at all.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
There you have it. She was clearly said you could
pick the place, you could pick the time. They picked
the place, they picked the time, and then she basically
says never mind. So yeah, then Candace is you know,
claiming that she has the French legion legionnaire coming to
kill her and assassinate her. But then you start seeing
(29:39):
pictures of her out and about at events where she
is hanging out with other people. Do I have some
of those here?
Speaker 3 (29:48):
I hope so, because I don't know what kind of
a mother is frightened of being She's being assassinated, a
foreign country has put out a hit on her. Yet
here she is at a party, schmoozing, smiling and by
the way, the ugliest top I've ever seen in my life.
What the hell is she wearing?
Speaker 2 (30:08):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Allow?
Speaker 3 (30:08):
It's like a Halloween costume in December?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
I don't really definitely not a what are those like?
Silly Christmas?
Speaker 3 (30:15):
She looks like a minion, I'm not kidding. Does she
actually is dressed exactly like a minion?
Speaker 1 (30:20):
So here she is, you know, out and about. I
think it was some kind of an event where you
see what's his name? What's that guy's name again? Jason,
Jason Whitlock and several other people that were it must
have been a blaze event because there's a lot of
blaze kind of people is there. So, you know, it
just kind of underscores how ridiculous this whole lesionnaire French
(30:40):
lesionaire assassination, you know, fear that she has on her.
So this is the point where you start having some
big major personalities, conservative personalities come forward. You have Tim
Pool come out and basically just laid into her with
a profanity laced video discussion on her and called her,
(31:01):
you know, basically a bunch of different things. You next Tuesday, Yeah,
I see you next Tuesday exactly. So Erica Kirk comes
forward and she decides that it's time to start talking
about things. And she is promoting a book that I
guess Charlie had been working on, uh and they are
(31:22):
releasing it posthumously. And here she is with a interview
with Fox News and it becomes very clear that she
is talking to Candice Owens.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Come after me, call me names, I don't care, call
me what you want, go down that rabbit hole whatever.
Speaker 6 (31:41):
But when you go.
Speaker 5 (31:42):
After my family, my Turning Point, USA family, my Charlie
Kirk Show family. When you go after the people that
I love, and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars
every single episode going after the people that I love
because somehow they're in on this.
Speaker 8 (32:01):
No, you know, I have to say it.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
I've never seen you like that.
Speaker 5 (32:05):
No, I'm very this is righteous anger because this is
not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus. Yes,
I believe in our jewdicial system.
Speaker 7 (32:19):
I do.
Speaker 5 (32:20):
We have a hell of a team working on this.
Excuse my French, but this is not okay. So you
want to put these people back in the box where
they've been creeping from. I don't care what box you're in,
but just know that your words are very powerful, and
we are human. My team are not machines, and they're
(32:41):
not robots. They are human. We have more death threats
on our team and our side than I have ever seen.
I have kidnapping threats, I have you name it, we
have it. And my poor team is exhausted. And every
time they bring this back up, what are we supposed
to do relive that trauma all over again? They watched
my husband get murdered. I have no idea how I
(33:02):
would have reacted if I was there that day, and
think the Good Lord that I did not have to
see that happen. But my team, they are rocked the core,
So why every single day did they have to be
dragged through the mud, analyzed, hyper analyzed?
Speaker 3 (33:18):
So, you know what, I'm sorry. I just have to
say that I'm so relieved to hear her say that
she was not there that day.
Speaker 1 (33:24):
I agree, I agree, I thought she was, and I
thought she.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
Was rumor and that you know that her littlest daughter
ran up to them. I don't know if that's her
or not. It's probably not, given that she wasn't there. Yeah,
I am gosh, thank God, thank god she wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
So there's at one point she comes straight out and
tells Candace to stop. And here's a quick clip of
that the podcast.
Speaker 4 (33:51):
Are Candace Owens Okay, at one time a friend of Charlie's,
at one time an employee of Turning Point. She has
been one of the main peddlers of these conspiracies and
she has me a huge amount of money on it.
She is building her business off of these lives. What
do you want to say to her and the other
(34:12):
people that are putting these lies out into the world
right now.
Speaker 5 (34:16):
Stop, that's it. That's all I have to say. Stop.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
When that line of questioning started, Erica Kirk had a big,
beautiful smile on her face the minute that Barry Weiss said,
Candice Owens, I mean, her entire demeanor just changed. Wow.
Speaker 7 (34:39):
We were told that.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
If we said stop, they would stop, and we said stop,
and I'll say it again, please stop.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
It's a no from me, but you know me, I'm
just out here saying what needs to be said. We'll
be right back after a brief message from our sponsors.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
So there's you have it. She said that she would
stop if Erica Kirk said that asked her to stop.
Erica Kirk asked her to stop on multiple occasions directly,
and now she's saying no, and she went a lot
farther than that. She went on the attack.
Speaker 5 (35:20):
Now.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
I wasn't sure about Erica.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
I was waiting kind of a situation for her to
be in, obviously having lost her husband.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
Okay, before we go on there, do you hear what
she said there? She said she wasn't sure about her.
She's kind of waiting. She doesn't know this woman. How
close could her and Charlie Kirk have been if she
doesn't even know his husband. She doesn't her husband, Yeah,
her husband. She did not know Erica Kirk, and that
(35:50):
should tell you a little bit about the relationship between
her and Charlie Kirk.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
It is this idea that well, now the widow has spoken,
we're not dealing with the widow. We want the CEO
and the chairman of Turning Point USA to answer. Okay,
you got If you can't complimentalize, then I don't see
how you're going to be.
Speaker 7 (36:12):
To lead this organization in the future.
Speaker 2 (36:15):
Because Charlie, Charlie worked. We knew what Charlie was, because
he was authentic. Okay, he didn't just go well, I
only make time for like big pocket donors.
Speaker 7 (36:24):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (36:24):
He was sitting college campuses, he was speaking to people,
understanding people, he was changing his ideas, and he was
changing minds. And you are not changing my mind about
the fact that something weird happened that day and that
TPUSA is acting funny because you give give it an
impassioned plea and speak about Neamayah on Fox News.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
Okay, So she's taken the position that that Erica Kirk
is hiding something. She's trying to destroy tp USA. She's
trying to go at their the source of their power,
which is their donors, and she's trying to get them
to stop giving donations, and she's trying to get them
to people to ask for refund She is specifically trying
(37:05):
to destroy the company that Charlie Kirk built, the legacy
that he built, and the means of feeding Charlie Kirk's
family and feeding Charlie Kirk's kids. She's going directly at them. Now,
Why why is Candice Owens going at and trying to
destroy TPUSA. I want to get to that and we're
(37:29):
going to discuss that in Part two. Join us over
there right now.
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