December 12, 2025 • 53 mins
Why is Candace Owens attacking Erika Kirk? We dig into the "friendship" between Candace and Charlie and when/why the founder of Turning Point USA began to distance himself from the provocateur.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
This is Red Pilled America you're listening to. You're listening
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going to blow your mind. I guarantee it. So we
are going to continue on with this analysis of what's
happening between Candice Owns, TPUSA and Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know I have to say before we go into this,
is that I I have a lot of moments in
my life that I am not proud of. I have
done and said things where I look back in my
life at that moment and I think, what was I thinking?
I'm ashamed of my behavior. But this behavior that Candice
Owens is engaging in is next level. I just I
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don't know how she can live with herself doing what
she's doing. How does she look herself in the mirror
and look at her children and her husband, and how
could she be proud of herself doing what she's doing.
It is so it's it's beyond the pale.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It is putting herself in a corner that. This is
the kind of scary thing about it is that in
order for her to come out of this, Tyler Robinson
is going to have to be found not guilty, okay,
because that is really the only way out of this. Now.
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She could come back later and claim, oh, you know,
they tainted, they messed with the evidence, and oh the
FBI and you know, pull some kind of JFK kind
of a situation or an Epstein situation. But she is
going to have to start to push in such a
direction where she taints the jury poll and she makes
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it in such a way where she just finds one
duror that says this man is not guilty and gets
him off. That is really one of the few ways
that I can see her getting out of this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh here's another way, she becomes a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
There is that, But ultimately she's putting this, She's putting
herself in such a corner that she is I mean,
if you saw Tyler Robinson is a court appearance recently,
he just you know, had a court appearance where they
have announced that they're going to the judge decided that
they're going to allow video cameras in the trial. During
the trial. You look at this man's face, there's no remorse.
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He's smiling, he's smug, he's enjoying it, just like kanda
sister enjoying it. And you could see that this is
a crazy man, and she has put herself in such
a horrible position. The saving grace is also that she
has a bunch of cute, hard audience, you know, followers
that don't care about the facts. We've seen that time
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and time again, facts that she has put out there
into the public get debunked, and she survives those. It's
because they aren't worried about the facts. They just want
to burn down the system. They want to keep this
kind of conspiracy going on as long as they possibly can.
But I agree with you, she has put herself into
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a horrible situation. Here's the thing if you really look
at Candace's background, I mean, when we've done stories on her,
our first episode, one of the first episodes, the first episode,
the first day of our existence of Red Pilled America.
We put on an episode where we discussed the idea
or we asked the answered the question why do blacks
vote for Democrats exclusively or almost exclusively, and we interviewed
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her we interviewed the Diamond and Silk, and we interviewed
a descendant of Martin Luther King, and we got their
kind of input on it, and it really wasn't kind
of like a deep dive of analysis into the background.
And then we did an eight part series between her
and the Feud, between her and The Daily Wire, and
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we kind of looked at you a little bit about
her background and then focused in on how these kinds
of two people came together and how they meet. But
really those that episode was about how do we fight
this kind of the growth of anti Semitism in the
United States. And we're probably going to be re releasing
that epis that series pretty soon, just to kind of
get a good look into Candas's background. There's been controversy
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in Candace's life going back to her earliest days in
the public spotlight. In high school, she had a situation
where she got some calls from somebody that was kind
of a race, some racist voicemails. I asked her actually
for those voicemails, and I couldn't get them from her.
But here is a picture of her when she at
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that time, she was aligning with a NAACP and she
ended up suing her high school. I think she ended
up getting thirty seven thousand dollars or something from the
high school. Many people think it's because they just it
would cost less to pay her some form of money
than to fight the case, because I'm not sure how
the school had anything to do with the case. But anyways,
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the school settled and paid her thirty seven thousand something
along those lines, thirty seven thousand dollars to settle the case,
so controversy has been around. She saw how, you know,
playing the victim can be very profitable, and there's multiple
kinds of instances of this very early on. Fast forward
to two thousand and fifteen and she starts to put
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together this blog. If you look at the content of
these blogs, it's pretty interesting she talks. One of the
blog posts that she put up is that she thinks
that I think affairs are romantic, is what she was
one of the headlines. Another one was monogamy not natural,
not natural at all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You know, I have to say that in Kansas's defense,
Once upon a time, when I was in college and
I was unmarried, I thought that monogamy was unnatural as well,
because you know, you look at the animal kingdom, and
it's pretty unanimous that monogamy is unnatural, you know, unless
you're you're a sea horse. But now, as a woman
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in her fifties who has been married for almost twenty
five years, I believe that monogamy is very very natural.
I think you evolve and that maybe she's had a
change of heart. You know, you do say and and
write things when you're young that you don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well that's true. So but you know, she had some
pretty like she you know, went at the tea party.
She thought she went at Republicans and Democrats. This is all.
In twenty sixteen, she wrote an article that kind of
rationalized straight women marrying gay men, which I.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Think is kind of a interesting that's this.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Is the article right here. Did you is that something
that you used to believe in back in the day
as well?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Absolutely not never, not once.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, here it is a lot of straight women are
settling down with gay men. Here's why. And she goes
into this whole kind of rationalization.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So she's for the lavender marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It sounds like it was something that she was seeing
that was a phenomenon, and she was explaining as to
why it was a phenomenon. It sounds like she was
kind of trying to normalize it to me if you're
asking me, But that will be kind of an illuminating
article for in a little bit. So she does this
to stay with us.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Because we're gonna maybe blow your mindset.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So she does these you know, this blog it was
called Degree one eighty and it was very left wing,
very far left. This is twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Sure the way she makes no secret about she was.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Making fun of. Yeah, but not many people have addressed
each one of these kinds of articles. So it's one
of those kinds of things where I think we were
so happy to have this vocal black woman coming out
as a conservative.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You can just say it, a black conservative.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Who was a woman, yes, coming out and basically making
this argument that why she was leaving the left, and
it was a one eighty. I mean, it's just like
her website, Degree one eighty was. It was a complete
one eighty from the stuff that she was putting out there.
And if you understand that she's a narcissist, a lot
of people kind of make this argument that, oh, she
wasn't a conservative ever, that she's always been a liberal,
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And I think that is the wrong framework. I think ultimately,
if you really look at who she is, she never
believed in liberalism or conservatism. She is she believes in narcissism.
That is what she is all about. And if you
look at everything that she does through that lens, everything
starts to make sense. It makes sense that she would
be going at Trump and going at conservatives and going
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at liberal excuse me, republicans back in twenty sixteen, and
then right when Trump gets elected. Oh, okay, there's this
conservative thing happening. How do I get into this?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And how do I keep the attention on me? She
makes a complete one eighty and goes and starts to
come out as a conservative. You know, before that, when
she was in this kind of conservative realm, she had
this doxing site called Social Autopsy, where she was setting
up this website where people could report people's for kind
of certain bad behavior online and have it. It was basically
a social credit score type of a website where people
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could come on say that this person said this to
me at school, or said to this to me at
the workplace, or said this to me online. They would
post those things and then employers could go on there
and look and see what these people like. They're kind
of their score within this social autopsy website. And she
got pretty heavily panned for that, and I think at
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the time, once again US conservatives were kind of looking
at it and was like, oh okay, that was during
her stupid liberal days. So she makes the transition. She
comes out as a conservative. She puts out this video saying,
you know, mom, dad, I'm a conservative. It's kind of
like her coming out as not gay but coming out
as conservative. That thing went viral and within a matter
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of just a couple of weeks or she was already
starting to get courted by people. She the first people
were coming to her side were Stephan Mall and you,
and you had Mike Cernovich and you had the guys
from Alex Jones World. Kind of brought her into that world,
and Alex Jones was like the really first big, big
platform that she was on. And she eventually meets Charlie Kirk.
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I believe Dave Rubin takes credit for introducing them at
some event, and he hires her on the spot and
she becomes their urban engagement director in November of twenty seventeen.
It was that next month that we interviewed her from
the hotel at the Amfest and she was just getting
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started at that time. Fast forward to April twenty eighteen
and she was at this TPUSA event with Charlie Kirk
and she gets an argument with a crowd member, a
BLM protester at this event, and she goes at them
pretty hard, and the video kind of goes viral on
social media. It gets into Kanye West's feed, and Kanye
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West tweets out, I love the way Candae Owen's thinks.
And that was a huge moment, a huge cultural moment,
and it basically took her and Charlie Kirk into this
pop culture world. They go on with Kanye West and
they you know, go on the TMZ and they kind
of do the whole kind of tour thing with him,
and it was a really big deal. The interesting thing
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about this timeframe is that when that tweet went out,
it caught the eye of this man in the UK.
His name is John Mappin exactly. He is the owner
of the Camelot Castle hotel in the UK. He's a scientologist,
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apparently has a lot of money and you know, kind
of his claim to fame is Is during in twenty
twenty one. One January twenty twenty one, he flew the
q An flag at his castle, so.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's a que tard.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He was a que tard. So he basically reaches out
to TPUSA and says, hey, maybe you guys should start
a UK version. This all came from this Candace Owens
Kanye West moment, and I'm sure Candice Owens kind of
felt some ownership in that here and now I'm taking
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TPUSA into the UK. I am part of this international
expansion of Turning Point USA, me Candace Owens. So this
John Mappin guy, he funds this launch of TPUK. Turning
Point UK in December of two thousand and eighteen introduces
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both Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens to this audience.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I just wanted to really, I think I'm speaking for
all of us. We thought long and hard. I know
that there are many many people in this room who
feel as passionately as we do, and we wanted you
to have a little memento of your visit to London.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
At that event, Charlie Kirk references this John Mappin guy
and says, hey, if any of you high donors that
are out there want to start donating to tp UK.
See this guy John mappin.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So we want to bring this to the UK, and
so there's a variety of ways you can help. Again,
we're not here to ask for capital, but that will
be needed somewhere down the road. So if that at
all interests you or position to learn more about that,
you could talk to John or some of our other
very good friends in the room.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
At that event, John introduces Candice Owens to a guy
named George Farmer. George Farmer is a from a wealthy family.
I believe they've made their money in precious metals. His
father's name is Lord Farmer, so that would mean I
believe that he has some kind of connection to the UK,
to the royalty there.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you can become a lord in England through inheritance, marriage,
appointment to the House of Lords, or by becoming a
Church of England.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ship, got it. So they meet at that event and
eighteen days later he's proposing to her, and he proposes
to her via FaceTime, you know, over the phone, And
I thought this was really interesting. This is George Farmer
explaining how this relationship.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Progressed between that day and the day that we got engaged,
nothing nothing romantic was said at all, you know, there
was no overtures like I didn't didn't we didn't go
for dinner, like we didn't take it nothing at nothing, Yeah,
nothing exactly. And so I was very clear about that
because it was it was almost like getting to know
ones self in some ways. It was kind of a
very strange experience, you know, it was like I saw
myself in her.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So no, nothing romantic. They didn't go out to dinner,
they didn't see each other a bunch of times. Eighteen
days later, he is proposing to her over a face time,
and I think it seems kind.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Of strange because it is because it is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It is. So he basically ends up becoming the chairman
of TPUK. So now you have candae At, you know,
as part of this kind of urban strategy at TPUSA.
Her fiance is the chairman of tp UK. This is
the same event where she got into this major controversy
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where somebody asked her why is it that the word
nationalism is so negatively defined or so negatively viewed by
so many people When.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
You think about whenever we say nationalism, the first thing
people think about in at least in America, is Hitler.
You know, he was a national socialist. But if Hitler
just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine.
The problem is is that he had dreams outside of Germany.
He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German,
everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look at different way.
That's not to me, that's not nationalism.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And when she made that connection and kind of said
it in a little bit of a sloppy way, she
had these pro Israel Jewish groups come out and attack
her and basically said that she was minimalized, minimizing what
Hitler was doing and what he had done. And it
was a huge controversy. She was fearful that her career
was over before it started. She had to go to
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some rabbi to kind of get his approval that she
could kind of move forward. I believe it was Charlie
Kirk that helped set up that relationship. Just a couple
months later, her husband steps down from TPUK, and then
a month after that, in May twenty nineteen, she steps
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down from TPUSA to go and work for prager U,
which she does for a couple of years. She in
twy and twenty one, she does that for two years
twenty twenty one, March of twenty twenty one, she goes
on to work for Daily Wire. And this is where
problems start, and we're going to get to that. Right
after the break, you're listening to Red Pilled America's fam
(17:10):
Boogie and we are talking about the feud between Candace
Owens TPUSA and Erica Kirk. So when we left off,
there was we basically talked about Candace going over to
the Daily Wire, and there started to be some This
is where her problems started. A couple of years later,
actually a year, about maybe a year and a half
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later after her the starting of Candace Show over at
Daily Wire, Kanye West goes on this anti Jewish tirade,
I guess you could say, and that went on for
about a month or so, huge, huge deal at that time.
Candace would not denounce him, and she got a lot
of pressure at that time, I think unfairly if I'm
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being honest, because this was her friend, and this was
also a cultural icon, and this man meant a lot
to her in her childhood and in her upbringing. This
is not something that she wanted to do. She didn't
want to throw this man under the bus, but there
was a lot of pressure there. Then she interviews Andrew Tate,
and that one was really kind of frowned upon within
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a lot within the conservative movement. I know that we
started criticizing her at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We did not like it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
We didn't like it they were normalizing this man who
wasn't just saying things. He was actually saying that he
was doing things. He was actually doing things as acting
as a pimp. There's videos of him hitting people. There's
just a lot of bad behavior, actual behavior, not just
words coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I've known a lot of bad people in my life,
but I have to say, I don't think I've ever
known an actual pimp.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, yeah, I haven't known Have I ever known
a pimp? I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Known, And I mean I've known like a lot of
shady folks.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Are there a lot of pimps out there?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Apparently?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So yeah, I guess you're right. But then October seventh happens,
and that's when things really start. The heats really starts
to be turned up on her, and she starts to
take this pretty controversial view when you're working at the
Daily Wire that Israel was going too far with it,
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and she started to have on some people that spoke
out against Israel. And this was at a time where
there was very few people speaking in this space. You know,
I think Nick Fointee is one of the few people
in this space, maybe Owen Benjamin We're kind of speaking,
that would ever kind of speak out about Israel. Candace
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was kind of the first mainstream, one maybe mainstream conservative
voice to kind of speak out this way, and that
caused a rift between her and Ben Shapiro obviously, and
by March she was out. Daily Wire fires her.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We saw that one coming.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We saw that one coming. And this is kind of
where Candace is entering into a completely new realm for
the conservative movement. Because before she had guardrails up when
she was with TPUSA, they were guardrails. When she went
over to Prager you there were guardrail rails. When she
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went over the Daily Wire, there was guardrails. Now she
had no guardrails. She was out on her own and
she starts producing The Candace Show, and at first it
kind of looks very similar to what she was doing
at the Daily wire at the very end. But then
you start to see TPUSA starts to distance themselves from her.
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So they post this website it's for donations from an
Israel audience, and on it you have this pretty interesting disclaimer.
It says, as a reminder, Charlie is not Candace, and
Candace is not TPUSA employee. If you have specific questions
about Candace's comments or views, we suggest you contact her directly. However,
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these videos and links should provide clearly clarity on Charlie
Kirk's positions and views on Israel. So it was this
pretty kind of you could see this happening, This divide
starts to form, and at one point TPUSA was questioned
about this website and Andrew Colvett, who is at TPUSA
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now he's one of the main spokesman persons for TPUSA,
he said, we love Israel and we love Candice, and
he kind of left it as that, and they were
still using her through donations on their websites. But the
next month June, that is her last event that she
ever speaks at at a Charlie Kirk event. This is
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June of twenty fourteen. It is at a Michigan event.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So Her last event was at the People's Convention, a
TPUSA event. It was on June fourteenth, June fourteenth through
sixteenth in Detroit, Michigan, and that was the last time
that she ever participated in a TPUSA event exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So this is June twenty fourteen, excuse me, twenty twenty four.
She was at the Amfest in twenty twenty three, but
once the Amfest came around in December twenty twenty four,
she's not there. So you're starting to see this distancing happening.
So this was in May of two thousand and twenty four. Now,
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at some point around this time, a lot of people
have said, and it was reported that he unfollowed her
on Twitter. Is that true. It's hard to tell. You
have to go through their entire thing, but I know
that there has been there was news reports of that.
Either way, you see this distancing happening with this website,
and you see it happening through their events.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Is he following her now? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm not sure. It's too hard to tell me he
follows like one hundred thousand people. Oh wow, so's it's
not easy.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
To tell, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But the fact is is that you see this distancing happening.
You see it happening through the website, you see it
happening through the events. She and this is a big
deal for conservatives. If you want to enter that kind
of mainstream conservative realm and you are not invited to
a TPUSA event, you are not part of the conservative
mainstream movement period. End of story. So that is kind
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of where you kind of see this relationship now for her,
once this assassination happens, she starts to take this position
that she is this close friend. It was her best friend.
There was the position that she was taking. But she
hadn't spoken at a TPUSA event for well over a year.
And if you look at some of the text messages
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that she's providing to the public, you're not seeing anything recent,
of anything substantial. You're not seeing a substantial conversation between
them two, that is anything within like the last year
or so of his assassination. There was a distancing happening.
As she moves forward with her investigations, This guy from
the UK that introduced her to George Farmer, this John
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Mappin guy starts speaking out for Candace, and Candace's behalf
starts defending her, and this was the man that funded
tp UK to launch, and he's speaking out for Candace,
saying that she needs to continue asking these questions. Pretty
big kind of a moment, and you see there's a
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moment where he is going through and saying that he
basically is co signing on Candace's investigation into this. Well.
Tyler Boyer responds to this John Mappen guy and basically
calls him a loser. He says, you're a loser, John,
and Candace responds to that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I don't think Turning Point USA is going to survive
if they continue down this path of you know, Tyler
Boyer late night tweeting at donors as he did over
the weekend. I think he directed his fire at like
John Mappen and Arena Mappen called John Mappen a loser.
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I don't think that that's the direct messaging to come
out of Turning Point USA.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So that's her protecting this John Mappen guy. And I
think at the end of the day, you're starting to
see this kind of UK contingency going at TPUSA. And
I say that Candice married a brit and is she
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a dual citizen. I think that she claims that she
is not. In her lawsuit with the Macrones, they claim
that she is a British citizen by marriage, which I
thought was kind of interesting. Ultimately, how do we round
this all out? So my thoughts on this is this,
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as far as the Charlie Kirk assassination goes, it's pretty
clear that Tyler Robinson was the killer. Was there some
people other than him involved, could potentially his his boyfriend
Triggs have been involved, or potentially some other of that
kind of gender furry movement known about this beforehand. Potentially
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maybe that will come out during the case. I think
that is potentially, if anything should be looked at, that
should be the area that should be looked at, because
that is the only kind of thing that we've seen
any evidence potentially of anyone having fore knowledge. There has
been some tweets that have been put out there that
could have looked like some people knew that something was
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going to happen, although a lot of that has been debunked,
and I saw some of the things that have been debunked,
and it's I don't want to get into that right now.
We've kind of that's another rabbit hole, and maybe we'll
get into it another point. Ultimately, though, it's my belief
that Tyler Robinson was the killer that he killed him with.
His parents were the ones that turned him in. His
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parents were the one that identified the rifle. You do
not hear them coming out now and speaking about their
son being innocent. You do not hear him in his
recent court appearance coming out and saying that he was innocent.
There's no one from his family coming forward and saying
he did not do this. Although Candace claims to have
spoken to somebody behind the scenes, she's not showing that person,
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she's not interviewing that person, she's not having that person
on her show. There's no evidence that that's been happening.
It is the FBI has video of this man. Is
the Trump White House that is running this investigation through
the FBI in conjunction with the Utah the police Department.
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I should take that back. The Utah Police Department is
running it with the FBI support. Okay, but you have
Charlie's people intimately involved in the investigation. They caught this
man forty eight hours within the assassination. He wasn't there
as a patsy ready to go. Everyone kind of points
to this thirty six rifle as being impossible that would
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have blown his head off. If you actually look at
thirty odd six and depending on the kind of round
that it is, it is very possible for it to
have entered the body and not exited the body. There
are cases of this. There are ballistic experts that have
come forth and said that this is possible. They are
credible ballistic experts that have come forward to say this.
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So if you are saying that this is this big
cabal that Israel and France and the Trump administration and
the FBI and TPUSA executives and perhaps even Erica Kirk
somehow had something to do in coordinating this execution, but
through all of that, they put the wrong They used
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the wrong gun, they use the wrong bullet. I mean,
it doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Why would they kill him so publicly. Why wouldn't they
just like someone, shake his hand or something with fentanyl
and kill him that way, or shoot him when he
is at home, in the privacy of his own home.
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Why do it so publicly like that where everybody can
kind of scrutinize it. It makes no sense. Ockham's razor
is the most the simplest explanation is probably the most
likely explanation that is the case here. There's been no
other evidence shooting outside of that realm. Now you have
all these conspiracy theorists coming forward and saying, oh, you know,
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look at the way that this TPUSA executive was looking
at in the background, or oh, look at this phone
call that this person made afterwards, or look at all
these maroon T shirts that people were wearing, or there
was this tunnel underneath there and they covered over it
at some point. I mean, there's all of these wild
conspiracy theories, but there's no there there, there's no evidence
that's coming forward. Okay, it's very clear that this man
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was involved. Now where some other people helping him plan out,
where there's some other people that were coaxing him into
doing it. I think that will all play out, and
we'll see that all play out over the course of
the investigation. But we this Internet generation has become so
I don't know, expecting of transparency, and they live their
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lives onlines and they live through these true crime podcasts,
and they think we demand this information and we demand
it now. That is not the way cases are done.
That's not the way prosecutions are done. If you have
ever followed these kinds of things, if you have ever
been involved with kind of court interactions or court cases,
you know that that is not the case. They do
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not want to lose this case. They want to put
this man in jail and potentially execute him, and they're
not going to make the mistake of screwing that up. Okay,
So that is kind of where I see as far
as the case goes, As far as Candice goes, I
think that she is just she's a buffoon. First of all.
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I don't think she's that smart. I think she's dumb.
I think she's a good propagandist. I think she's great
with rhetoric. I think she knows how to build a cult.
But she is not high IQ by any stretch of
the words. You could see that in the way that
she executes things. You could see that in her investigations.
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There's this thing in screenwriting, and it's called a logic hole.
When you're writing a narrative for a screenplay and it
doesn't make sense because there's a logic hole in it,
there's something wrong with your logic. She is a horrible
script writer. In that sense, there's logic holes throughout her
entire narrative that she's been putting together. That is what
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I mean by her being a buffoon. She is not
that smart, but she is in. But like Kanye West,
she is great provocateur. Yes, and I think ultimately she
is kicking tpusa's ass. She is destroying them every day
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on her podcast, and they have no one to respond
to that. They have nobody with the charisma that Charlie
Kirk has. And that is why I think putting Erica
Kirk in this position. Although it might be good in
regards to a normal logical person to not attack the
widow of somebody that was so brutally executed, someone like
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Candace doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
By the way, there's a lot of people like Candace
that hapn't cared. I've seen a lot of attacks on
Erica Kirk. By the way. I think it's interesting that
Candace's subscribers were the lowest that they'd been right before
Charlie's assassination, and now they're the highest that they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's interesting that you say that, And that is exactly
that is exactly right right before the assassination of Charlie
Kirk her subscriber account, you know, expansion was near zero,
and then the day that he was he was assassinated,
and following that, it spiked enormously, So you're entirely you're
entirely right with that.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that she's necessarily stupid.
I think that she knows what she's doing and she's
doing it for audience capture.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That doesn't make her smart. And you know, there's a
lot of people that are really great at audience capture.
That does not make them smart.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
She's nice smart in.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That regards, and if she was smart, she wouldn't have
so many logic holes in her narrative. She would be
smarter about the way that she approaches her investigation.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a cash cow for her right now, it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Is, and she's having the time. He's giddy, she's loving
every minute of this. And she anytime she runs out
of content, she just looks through her old messages between
Charlie Kirk and her. She's talking about Charlie Kirk dating
some other woman and about the clothing that he was
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wearing and whether it was okay for him to wear
this outfit going out with this other woman that Candace
said he loved that was not Erica Kirk. Okay, this
woman is is doing this true crime podcast and she
has all of these kinds of true crime, true crime
q A on followers that are eating it up. They're
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eating it up. But that does not make her smart.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know what I think she is. I think she's
a woman scorned.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And I think that when you look at her history
with TPUSA, as we spelled out, you see that she's
pissed off at them. She wants to destroy this company
and she wants to destroy them because she feels like
the rightful air. She thought that she was the person
that should have taken that position. In my opinion, she
had her husband was the chairman of TPUK. She was
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the one that helped expand it into into Great Britain.
She helped put them on the map nationally with that
Kanye West moment. It was a huge, huge moment for TPUSA.
It showed that they were reaching into kind of a
pop culture audience that no one else had at that time.
She felt that she was this was her company and
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the thing was is that Charlie did not attack her.
He quietly separated himself from her at the you know,
during that time, during that time from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five, but he didn't publicly attack her,
in publicly distance himself from her. And you know why,
because he knew what she was capable of. She's capable
of what's happening right now. So Candace is destroying TPUSA
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right now. They don't have anybody rhetorically that can battle
against her, and I think she has a chance to
succeed at this. The reason why they were so powerful
is because they had Charlie Kirk who could stand in
a debate and battle against people one on one at
these events. They have nobody there like that. Right now.
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They have nobody there that can go up against Candace Owens.
Because facts don't matter to her. She will just go
straight for the jugular. Let me give you an example.
There was this recent tweet that Tyler Boyer put out,
and this was a direct job at Candace Owens. He says,
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if my wife was posting about how innocent people who
were friends, family, or the spouse of Charlie Kirk murdered
Charlie Kirk, I would skip counseling and head straight for
the divorce lawyer's office. He's basically talking about George Farmer
and basically saying, George Farmer, if my wife was doing
what your wife is doing, I would head directly to
the divorce courts. Candace Owens responds in a way that
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she just body slams him. You and your wife are swingers, Tyler,
was her response. One line simple, who knows if it's
true or not? She won't show any evidence because she
never does or very rarely does, I should say, and
there's no receipts here. But it was a kill shot.
They do not have it in them to go at
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her in that way.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He should have responded to her and said, really, Candace,
because your husband's gay. Okay, Because if it were me
and someone comes at me, it comes at me hard.
You better believe I'm gonna come at you and I'm
gonna take you the hell out. And the rumors about
Kandace's husband, I don't know if they're true, but they
have been going nuclear. And by the way, these rumors
(37:21):
have been around for a very very long time. They've
recently resurfaced. But these are rumors that I have been hearing.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
For years, you know, And this is where they are
out there I want to get to that for a second.
But you know it's this, there's this kind of British
cabal that's going at TPOSA. Like I said earlier, this
John Mappin guy. You have Russell, a brand that has
put out videos for Candace, just recently defending her. While
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he's scheduled to go to TPUSA.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
They should cut ties with him. If you're friends with her,
you can't come to our events.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And then they you have Milo Yanopolis, who has relatively
recently kind of patched old patched, made amends with with
Candice Owens. He goes on the Tim Poole Show and
starts making some outlandish, outlandish claims. Here he is when
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she said, this feels like an inside job?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It does? What does it does?
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Does the astronomically uh in adequate explanations given in my
view for the actions before, at, and after Charlie's death
and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and
Turning Point executives. You think say nothing of his deeply
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deeply sinister wife, what Erica, how is you sinister?
Speaker 9 (38:49):
No, my lord, my little please please question no, no, no,
hold on, no, no, hold on, Please please explain to
me how is Erica Kirk.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Have you seen the difference in the size of her
hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures and then compared
it to him in his costcut.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Are you saying she's a man?
Speaker 8 (39:07):
No? No, I'm saying that wasn't Charlie in there. But
somebody tweeted today that Candice said that that that she
believed that they were about to get a divorce.
Speaker 9 (39:15):
I think he was gay, it says, and I think
he was gay, and you know that. I've you do
know that I've criticized like this is I'm sorry to him,
but like, why would you even go there, like to
say something like no, no, no, the man's dead.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
You're calling now.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
People were like, that's when people can tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So that is Milo accusing Charlie Kirk of being gay. Uh,
and also claiming that there's a potential that he's not dead.
It is, Uh, this guy, this man. I think that
they should deport Milo. I'm sorry. I think he should
be out of this country. He's a troublemaker.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He's a merchant of chaos.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He's a merchant of chaos. I bought into him for
a while. I thought he was kind of fun, But
now I I see what he's doing. All he is
doing is trying to cause chaos within the conservative movement.
He's aligning now with Candace. It's another brit coming to
trying to basically destroy TPUSA, claiming that Charlie Kirk is gay,
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claiming that there's a potential that he's not dead, claiming
that they were going to get a divorce. And by
the way, this is the same man that not that
long ago, was accusing George Farmer of being gay. Here's
a tweet from Charlie from Milo saying, I want to
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make something clear, Candace, when I said your husband was gay,
I wasn't looking at him. I was looking at you.
So he's basically claiming that at one point, and this
was in twenty twenty four, in January, excuse me, June
and July of twenty twenty four, long ago, he is
claiming that George Farmer was gay. Also, Rahem Cassam, the
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other British kind of Brexit guy that's here in the
United States, also claims that George Farmer was gay. He said, well,
when your husband is a homosexual. That makes for a
difficult marriage. But if you support that kind of a thing,
I'm happy to lose you. So you know the fact
that you have Milo coming in and calling Charlie Kirk
gay and then just a year ago he was calling
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Candice Owen's husband gay. I mean, this guy needs to go.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
He's everybody day by the way, that's kind.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's gone to our colleges. There's been riots there. Yes,
I know it was Antifa that caused the riots, but
this is not what free speech was supposed to be
about here in the United States. We don't want foreigners
coming into this country causing this kind of chaos and
causing these kinds of just kind of discord within the
conservative movement on sham accusations with no you know, with
(41:53):
nothing backing it up, just these kind of wild accusations
to kind of try to destroy TPUSA. You know, should
TPUSA survive. They've done a lot of good work. They
have helped they helped Trump get elected. They have people
all across the country. I have had friends have gone
out and knocked door to door for these guys. I
know of other people that have knocked door to door
for these people. They are the kinds of people that
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on election Day they show up and they make people
get out there and vote. They've done important work, which
is why I also haven't been beating them up over
the last couple of years saying, you know, screw these guys.
They haven't you know, included us in. They have complete
They can choose who they want at their events and
who they don't want at their events, and if they
don't want us there, that's fine. But to at the
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end of the day, you have to focus on truth.
You have to focus on what is factually correct. And
you have these merchants, these kind of chaos merchants out there,
like Milo and like Candice that are going to run
circles over the current tp USA team. They desperately need
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somebody that can fight the way that these people can fight.
They they need to bring somebody within their their tent
that can push back the way that these guys can
push back. Otherwise they are not going to survive this
in the long run. They are going to continually get
attacked by the canvas Owens of the world until they
are just smashed into smithereens. And you the Democrats come
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in and they start going after this company, and they
start investigating them and they break them up to take
this man out the way that they did, and to
have the right completely fighting amongst themselves and not at
least at the bare minimum, have the decency to not
falsely accuse executives of murdering a man and showing no
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evidence whatsoever. It's a joke, these these Candace Owens is
a disgusting human being.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
She's a cancer. She's a cancer in this movement. And
if she can't have it, then nobody else can have it.
She's gonna burn it all down. She's gonna burn it
down to the ground. And she doesn't give a flying
f who suffers or who she has to take out.
If she doesn't get it, nobody gets it.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And the fascinating thing is is you have guys like
Tucker Carlson that just came out and spoke on her
behalf and in her defense, basically using false information that
she has put out there, claiming that he knows it
to be true, which it's not. But you have Tucker
Carlson coming forth and putting out this this. Hey, I'm
friends with everybody on all sides of this, and I
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kind of just want to stay out of this, and
Candace should be able to ask questions.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
Candee Owans, I've known a long time. I love Candis Owans.
Blake Nef at TPUSA once worked for me at a
couple of different places, and I love Blake Nef. Erica
Kirk I've known since she was dating Charlie Kirk, and
I love Erica Kirk, and I think these are all really,
really decent people. And so it's been my desire for
three months not to get involved in any of this,
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and in general to think to myself, anybody who is
earnestly searching for the truth, whether they're right or wrong,
but as long as they're motivated by a desire to
find out what happened and therefore honor Charlie's memory by
getting to justice. Anyone who's doing that, I'm not going
to criticize again, no matter what track they're on. Lots
of us and this has certainly happened to me have
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good moments, but good motives, but wind up in the
wrong place. But it's a sincere mistake, so that definitely happens.
I have done that, and so I've just wanted to
stay out. I'm going to do my best to stay
out of it because I love Charlie and I want
justice to be done in this case. But the rest
of us should remain skeptical. We have a duty to
remain skeptical, and we should not be ashamed of our skepticism.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
That man is not a leader. He is not a leader.
It was a completely cowardice position for him to take.
I mean, who amongst us doesn't have a friend accusing
another friend of murder, because that is basically the position
that he's taken. He's basically standing with Candice as Candace
accuses Erica Kirk and TPUSA executives of being involved in
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the assassination of Charlie Kirk. If you can't come out
and say show me the evidence or this is or
that we're done. If you can't do that, then all
you care about is his audience capture. And I think
that's what Candace Owens is doing. I think that's what
Russell Brand is doing. You see these kind of you know,
Russell Brand once again being another brit You have Tucker
(46:32):
right now. I've just I've had my issue with him
in the past. We've vocalized that here in the past
in regards to the way that he handled COVID, I
thought that he handled he was a complete betrayal. He
went in and argued for Trump to shut down and
then leaked that conversation to Vanity Fair and so I've
had problems with him in the past, but in this
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particular case, it just is it's so frustrating. I didn't
like it when he interviewed Andrew Tate and let Andrew
Tate lie to the public and didn't end up correcting that. Ever,
he plays this kind of like, oh, you know, I'm
just this kind of podcaster. I'm just a podcaster, and
then the next second he's saying, oh, you know, I'm
a journalist. I have this long history of journalism.
Speaker 10 (47:12):
I should know what Cannas is saying is clearly causing
a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I
can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster.
I'm a freaking podcast or I'm a freaking pod cast.
Sure if I were doing this investigation, because I spent
my whole life doing non criminal investigations called journalism, called journalism.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
He doesn't use the same editorial standards for Candas's research
and for Candas's investigations, but he has, you know, this
contempt for Dan Bongino and Cash Betel. They can't make
a single mistake, but Candace can make any mistake in
the book, and he doesn't. He's never critical of her.
(47:54):
Why why is that? Why is he traveling all over
the Middle East, all over the place, going to Guitar
and Doha. He's interviewing Putin out in Russia, and.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
He's buying a house in Guitar, isn't he.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
He just announced that he's buying a house in Guitar.
Speaker 10 (48:11):
Personally, not to make it about me, but I have
been criticized as being a tool of Qatar, and I
just want to say what you already know, which is
I've never taken anything from your country and and and
don't plan to. I am, however, tomorrow, buying a place
in Qatar, both because I am in oh and I'm
doing that because I like the city. I think it's beautiful,
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but also to make the statement that I'm an American
and a free man and I'll be wherever I want
to be, which I think is important.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
What is up with all of this foreign activity that
he's doing. You know, I'm not like this whole, like
you know, Mark Levin putting out there. They're calling him
Tucker Katar Olson. It's funny, it's definitely funny, but there
is something strange about it. It's strange now, and I
don't understand why it is that everything that Kennis has
(49:04):
put out there that's been so wrong, Why has he
not distanced himself from her. He's speaking at Amfest twenty
twenty five, He's one of the lead speakers there. They're
going on, they're letting him, They're letting him speak, I
think because they're in a tough position because he's connected
with a VP Vance and VP Vance is also speaking
(49:26):
at the event, and they're in this kind of very
tough situation right now where they're being accused of being
aligned with israel I. Just this has been one of
the most troubling things that I've ever seen in conservative media.
I think a friend of the show, Matthew Brown, said
it best when he looks back at the JFK situation,
(49:47):
the JFK assassination, this whole thing, and watching this whole
Charlie Kirk thing happen real time is starting to make
him believe that Harvey Alswad was the only shooter. And
I'm starting to feel the same way. You're starting to
see this psychosis take over. We have been talking about
conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theorism spreading throughout the conservative movement
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for a while now. We've been talking about that for
a couple of years. It has gotten to epidemic proportions.
It is making us look, it's basically making the argument
for censorship. When the Democrats get back in power, they
are going to use all of this to censor us. Yeah,
and that is why you need a Tucker Carlson and
Amegan Kelly to start speaking out and speaking out now
(50:34):
and distancing themselves from this woman, or at least, at
the bare minimum, debunk the things that she's been putting
out there about these your friends over at tpusay that
you claim are your friends, we.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Call around, so you need to show receipts already.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
This is it has been.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Where is your evidence?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
She is Satan embodied in the human form. She's the
most disgusting person that I have ever seen in media period.
For her to do this the way that she is
doing this and going on and I'm no, I was
never a huge fan of Charlie Kirk's We've talked about this,
you know, he was the quintessential gatekeeper he had. We've
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been on air for seven years. We would have benefited,
we've been we've done fine without being associated with TPUSA.
But he's never invited us to any of his events,
so we are not like in the in bed with
with Charlie Kirk, I think that he was far too
much of a gatekeeper than he should have been. But
that said, there's decency and ultimately nothing is sacred anymore. Nobody.
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How can you look at this man be killed in
public so gruesomely and not give a little bit of
grace to this woman. It's just it's it's so frustrating
to see this happen and at the end of the day,
just follow the truth. She Kennice Owens, does not care
about the truth. She has put out false information time
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and time and time again. She does not show receipts,
and when she does the few times that she does,
it gets debunked or it gets minimalized because everybody already
knew that information.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
So by the way, and so many of the times,
it's it's embarrassing. I mean, it is like, oh my gosh,
that is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
So you know, there's this, there's this, there's this thing
that's happening right now where people just don't care about
the truth. And it is scary moment right now for
media because we have to rely on the leaders within
the conservative movement, like a candidate, like a Tucker Carlson
and like a Megan Kelly to speak out and the
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fact that they haven't yet is reprehensible. That's it for
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are going to continue on with this analysis of what's
happening between Candice Owns, TPUSA and Erica Kirk.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
You know I have to say before we go into this,
is that I I have a lot of moments in
my life that I am not proud of. I have
done and said things where I look back in my
life at that moment and I think, what was I thinking?
I'm ashamed of my behavior. But this behavior that Candice
Owens is engaging in is next level. I just I
(01:13):
don't know how she can live with herself doing what
she's doing. How does she look herself in the mirror
and look at her children and her husband, and how
could she be proud of herself doing what she's doing.
It is so it's it's beyond the pale.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
It is putting herself in a corner that. This is
the kind of scary thing about it is that in
order for her to come out of this, Tyler Robinson
is going to have to be found not guilty, okay,
because that is really the only way out of this. Now.
(01:50):
She could come back later and claim, oh, you know,
they tainted, they messed with the evidence, and oh the
FBI and you know, pull some kind of JFK kind
of a situation or an Epstein situation. But she is
going to have to start to push in such a
direction where she taints the jury poll and she makes
(02:10):
it in such a way where she just finds one
duror that says this man is not guilty and gets
him off. That is really one of the few ways
that I can see her getting out of this.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
Oh here's another way, she becomes a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
There is that, But ultimately she's putting this, She's putting
herself in such a corner that she is I mean,
if you saw Tyler Robinson is a court appearance recently,
he just you know, had a court appearance where they
have announced that they're going to the judge decided that
they're going to allow video cameras in the trial. During
the trial. You look at this man's face, there's no remorse.
(02:48):
He's smiling, he's smug, he's enjoying it, just like kanda
sister enjoying it. And you could see that this is
a crazy man, and she has put herself in such
a horrible position. The saving grace is also that she
has a bunch of cute, hard audience, you know, followers
that don't care about the facts. We've seen that time
(03:11):
and time again, facts that she has put out there
into the public get debunked, and she survives those. It's
because they aren't worried about the facts. They just want
to burn down the system. They want to keep this
kind of conspiracy going on as long as they possibly can.
But I agree with you, she has put herself into
(03:31):
a horrible situation. Here's the thing if you really look
at Candace's background, I mean, when we've done stories on her,
our first episode, one of the first episodes, the first episode,
the first day of our existence of Red Pilled America.
We put on an episode where we discussed the idea
or we asked the answered the question why do blacks
vote for Democrats exclusively or almost exclusively, and we interviewed
(03:55):
her we interviewed the Diamond and Silk, and we interviewed
a descendant of Martin Luther King, and we got their
kind of input on it, and it really wasn't kind
of like a deep dive of analysis into the background.
And then we did an eight part series between her
and the Feud, between her and The Daily Wire, and
(04:16):
we kind of looked at you a little bit about
her background and then focused in on how these kinds
of two people came together and how they meet. But
really those that episode was about how do we fight
this kind of the growth of anti Semitism in the
United States. And we're probably going to be re releasing
that epis that series pretty soon, just to kind of
get a good look into Candas's background. There's been controversy
(04:38):
in Candace's life going back to her earliest days in
the public spotlight. In high school, she had a situation
where she got some calls from somebody that was kind
of a race, some racist voicemails. I asked her actually
for those voicemails, and I couldn't get them from her.
But here is a picture of her when she at
(04:58):
that time, she was aligning with a NAACP and she
ended up suing her high school. I think she ended
up getting thirty seven thousand dollars or something from the
high school. Many people think it's because they just it
would cost less to pay her some form of money
than to fight the case, because I'm not sure how
the school had anything to do with the case. But anyways,
(05:19):
the school settled and paid her thirty seven thousand something
along those lines, thirty seven thousand dollars to settle the case,
so controversy has been around. She saw how, you know,
playing the victim can be very profitable, and there's multiple
kinds of instances of this very early on. Fast forward
to two thousand and fifteen and she starts to put
(05:41):
together this blog. If you look at the content of
these blogs, it's pretty interesting she talks. One of the
blog posts that she put up is that she thinks
that I think affairs are romantic, is what she was
one of the headlines. Another one was monogamy not natural,
not natural at all.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
You know, I have to say that in Kansas's defense,
Once upon a time, when I was in college and
I was unmarried, I thought that monogamy was unnatural as well,
because you know, you look at the animal kingdom, and
it's pretty unanimous that monogamy is unnatural, you know, unless
you're you're a sea horse. But now, as a woman
(06:21):
in her fifties who has been married for almost twenty
five years, I believe that monogamy is very very natural.
I think you evolve and that maybe she's had a
change of heart. You know, you do say and and
write things when you're young that you don't know anything about.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Well that's true. So but you know, she had some
pretty like she you know, went at the tea party.
She thought she went at Republicans and Democrats. This is all.
In twenty sixteen, she wrote an article that kind of
rationalized straight women marrying gay men, which I.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Think is kind of a interesting that's this.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Is the article right here. Did you is that something
that you used to believe in back in the day
as well?
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Absolutely not never, not once.
Speaker 1 (07:02):
Okay, here it is a lot of straight women are
settling down with gay men. Here's why. And she goes
into this whole kind of rationalization.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
So she's for the lavender marriage.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
It sounds like it was something that she was seeing
that was a phenomenon, and she was explaining as to
why it was a phenomenon. It sounds like she was
kind of trying to normalize it to me if you're
asking me, But that will be kind of an illuminating
article for in a little bit. So she does this
to stay with us.
Speaker 2 (07:30):
Because we're gonna maybe blow your mindset.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
So she does these you know, this blog it was
called Degree one eighty and it was very left wing,
very far left. This is twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2 (07:43):
Sure the way she makes no secret about she was.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Making fun of. Yeah, but not many people have addressed
each one of these kinds of articles. So it's one
of those kinds of things where I think we were
so happy to have this vocal black woman coming out
as a conservative.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
You can just say it, a black conservative.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
Who was a woman, yes, coming out and basically making
this argument that why she was leaving the left, and
it was a one eighty. I mean, it's just like
her website, Degree one eighty was. It was a complete
one eighty from the stuff that she was putting out there.
And if you understand that she's a narcissist, a lot
of people kind of make this argument that, oh, she
wasn't a conservative ever, that she's always been a liberal,
(08:24):
And I think that is the wrong framework. I think ultimately,
if you really look at who she is, she never
believed in liberalism or conservatism. She is she believes in narcissism.
That is what she is all about. And if you
look at everything that she does through that lens, everything
starts to make sense. It makes sense that she would
be going at Trump and going at conservatives and going
(08:47):
at liberal excuse me, republicans back in twenty sixteen, and
then right when Trump gets elected. Oh, okay, there's this
conservative thing happening. How do I get into this?
Speaker 3 (08:56):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (08:56):
And how do I keep the attention on me? She
makes a complete one eighty and goes and starts to
come out as a conservative. You know, before that, when
she was in this kind of conservative realm, she had
this doxing site called Social Autopsy, where she was setting
up this website where people could report people's for kind
of certain bad behavior online and have it. It was basically
a social credit score type of a website where people
(09:19):
could come on say that this person said this to
me at school, or said to this to me at
the workplace, or said this to me online. They would
post those things and then employers could go on there
and look and see what these people like. They're kind
of their score within this social autopsy website. And she
got pretty heavily panned for that, and I think at
(09:40):
the time, once again US conservatives were kind of looking
at it and was like, oh okay, that was during
her stupid liberal days. So she makes the transition. She
comes out as a conservative. She puts out this video saying,
you know, mom, dad, I'm a conservative. It's kind of
like her coming out as not gay but coming out
as conservative. That thing went viral and within a matter
(10:02):
of just a couple of weeks or she was already
starting to get courted by people. She the first people
were coming to her side were Stephan Mall and you,
and you had Mike Cernovich and you had the guys
from Alex Jones World. Kind of brought her into that world,
and Alex Jones was like the really first big, big
platform that she was on. And she eventually meets Charlie Kirk.
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I believe Dave Rubin takes credit for introducing them at
some event, and he hires her on the spot and
she becomes their urban engagement director in November of twenty seventeen.
It was that next month that we interviewed her from
the hotel at the Amfest and she was just getting
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started at that time. Fast forward to April twenty eighteen
and she was at this TPUSA event with Charlie Kirk
and she gets an argument with a crowd member, a
BLM protester at this event, and she goes at them
pretty hard, and the video kind of goes viral on
social media. It gets into Kanye West's feed, and Kanye
(11:12):
West tweets out, I love the way Candae Owen's thinks.
And that was a huge moment, a huge cultural moment,
and it basically took her and Charlie Kirk into this
pop culture world. They go on with Kanye West and
they you know, go on the TMZ and they kind
of do the whole kind of tour thing with him,
and it was a really big deal. The interesting thing
(11:35):
about this timeframe is that when that tweet went out,
it caught the eye of this man in the UK.
His name is John Mappin exactly. He is the owner
of the Camelot Castle hotel in the UK. He's a scientologist,
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apparently has a lot of money and you know, kind
of his claim to fame is Is during in twenty
twenty one. One January twenty twenty one, he flew the
q An flag at his castle, so.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
He's a que tard.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
He was a que tard. So he basically reaches out
to TPUSA and says, hey, maybe you guys should start
a UK version. This all came from this Candace Owens
Kanye West moment, and I'm sure Candice Owens kind of
felt some ownership in that here and now I'm taking
(12:28):
TPUSA into the UK. I am part of this international
expansion of Turning Point USA, me Candace Owens. So this
John Mappin guy, he funds this launch of TPUK. Turning
Point UK in December of two thousand and eighteen introduces
(12:51):
both Charlie Kirk and Candace Owens to this audience.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I just wanted to really, I think I'm speaking for
all of us. We thought long and hard. I know
that there are many many people in this room who
feel as passionately as we do, and we wanted you
to have a little memento of your visit to London.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
At that event, Charlie Kirk references this John Mappin guy
and says, hey, if any of you high donors that
are out there want to start donating to tp UK.
See this guy John mappin.
Speaker 3 (13:21):
So we want to bring this to the UK, and
so there's a variety of ways you can help. Again,
we're not here to ask for capital, but that will
be needed somewhere down the road. So if that at
all interests you or position to learn more about that,
you could talk to John or some of our other
very good friends in the room.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
At that event, John introduces Candice Owens to a guy
named George Farmer. George Farmer is a from a wealthy family.
I believe they've made their money in precious metals. His
father's name is Lord Farmer, so that would mean I
believe that he has some kind of connection to the UK,
to the royalty there.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
So you can become a lord in England through inheritance, marriage,
appointment to the House of Lords, or by becoming a
Church of England.
Speaker 1 (14:03):
Ship, got it. So they meet at that event and
eighteen days later he's proposing to her, and he proposes
to her via FaceTime, you know, over the phone, And
I thought this was really interesting. This is George Farmer
explaining how this relationship.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Progressed between that day and the day that we got engaged,
nothing nothing romantic was said at all, you know, there
was no overtures like I didn't didn't we didn't go
for dinner, like we didn't take it nothing at nothing, Yeah,
nothing exactly. And so I was very clear about that
because it was it was almost like getting to know
ones self in some ways. It was kind of a
very strange experience, you know, it was like I saw
myself in her.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
So no, nothing romantic. They didn't go out to dinner,
they didn't see each other a bunch of times. Eighteen
days later, he is proposing to her over a face time,
and I think it seems kind.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Of strange because it is because it is.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
It is. So he basically ends up becoming the chairman
of TPUK. So now you have candae At, you know,
as part of this kind of urban strategy at TPUSA.
Her fiance is the chairman of tp UK. This is
the same event where she got into this major controversy
(15:25):
where somebody asked her why is it that the word
nationalism is so negatively defined or so negatively viewed by
so many people When.
Speaker 6 (15:34):
You think about whenever we say nationalism, the first thing
people think about in at least in America, is Hitler.
You know, he was a national socialist. But if Hitler
just wanted to make Germany great and have things run well, okay, fine.
The problem is is that he had dreams outside of Germany.
He wanted to globalize. He wanted everybody to be German,
everybody to be speaking German, everybody to look at different way.
That's not to me, that's not nationalism.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
And when she made that connection and kind of said
it in a little bit of a sloppy way, she
had these pro Israel Jewish groups come out and attack
her and basically said that she was minimalized, minimizing what
Hitler was doing and what he had done. And it
was a huge controversy. She was fearful that her career
was over before it started. She had to go to
(16:17):
some rabbi to kind of get his approval that she
could kind of move forward. I believe it was Charlie
Kirk that helped set up that relationship. Just a couple
months later, her husband steps down from TPUK, and then
a month after that, in May twenty nineteen, she steps
(16:39):
down from TPUSA to go and work for prager U,
which she does for a couple of years. She in
twy and twenty one, she does that for two years
twenty twenty one, March of twenty twenty one, she goes
on to work for Daily Wire. And this is where
problems start, and we're going to get to that. Right
after the break, you're listening to Red Pilled America's fam
(17:10):
Boogie and we are talking about the feud between Candace
Owens TPUSA and Erica Kirk. So when we left off,
there was we basically talked about Candace going over to
the Daily Wire, and there started to be some This
is where her problems started. A couple of years later,
actually a year, about maybe a year and a half
(17:30):
later after her the starting of Candace Show over at
Daily Wire, Kanye West goes on this anti Jewish tirade,
I guess you could say, and that went on for
about a month or so, huge, huge deal at that time.
Candace would not denounce him, and she got a lot
of pressure at that time, I think unfairly if I'm
(17:52):
being honest, because this was her friend, and this was
also a cultural icon, and this man meant a lot
to her in her childhood and in her upbringing. This
is not something that she wanted to do. She didn't
want to throw this man under the bus, but there
was a lot of pressure there. Then she interviews Andrew Tate,
and that one was really kind of frowned upon within
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a lot within the conservative movement. I know that we
started criticizing her at that point.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
We did not like it.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
We didn't like it they were normalizing this man who
wasn't just saying things. He was actually saying that he
was doing things. He was actually doing things as acting
as a pimp. There's videos of him hitting people. There's
just a lot of bad behavior, actual behavior, not just
words coming out of his mouth.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I've known a lot of bad people in my life,
but I have to say, I don't think I've ever
known an actual pimp.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
You know, yeah, I haven't known Have I ever known
a pimp? I don't think I've ever.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Known, And I mean I've known like a lot of
shady folks.
Speaker 1 (18:53):
Are there a lot of pimps out there?
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Apparently?
Speaker 1 (18:56):
So yeah, I guess you're right. But then October seventh happens,
and that's when things really start. The heats really starts
to be turned up on her, and she starts to
take this pretty controversial view when you're working at the
Daily Wire that Israel was going too far with it,
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and she started to have on some people that spoke
out against Israel. And this was at a time where
there was very few people speaking in this space. You know,
I think Nick Fointee is one of the few people
in this space, maybe Owen Benjamin We're kind of speaking,
that would ever kind of speak out about Israel. Candace
(19:37):
was kind of the first mainstream, one maybe mainstream conservative
voice to kind of speak out this way, and that
caused a rift between her and Ben Shapiro obviously, and
by March she was out. Daily Wire fires her.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
We saw that one coming.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
We saw that one coming. And this is kind of
where Candace is entering into a completely new realm for
the conservative movement. Because before she had guardrails up when
she was with TPUSA, they were guardrails. When she went
over to Prager you there were guardrail rails. When she
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went over the Daily Wire, there was guardrails. Now she
had no guardrails. She was out on her own and
she starts producing The Candace Show, and at first it
kind of looks very similar to what she was doing
at the Daily wire at the very end. But then
you start to see TPUSA starts to distance themselves from her.
(20:34):
So they post this website it's for donations from an
Israel audience, and on it you have this pretty interesting disclaimer.
It says, as a reminder, Charlie is not Candace, and
Candace is not TPUSA employee. If you have specific questions
about Candace's comments or views, we suggest you contact her directly. However,
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these videos and links should provide clearly clarity on Charlie
Kirk's positions and views on Israel. So it was this
pretty kind of you could see this happening, This divide
starts to form, and at one point TPUSA was questioned
about this website and Andrew Colvett, who is at TPUSA
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now he's one of the main spokesman persons for TPUSA,
he said, we love Israel and we love Candice, and
he kind of left it as that, and they were
still using her through donations on their websites. But the
next month June, that is her last event that she
ever speaks at at a Charlie Kirk event. This is
(21:44):
June of twenty fourteen. It is at a Michigan event.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
So Her last event was at the People's Convention, a
TPUSA event. It was on June fourteenth, June fourteenth through
sixteenth in Detroit, Michigan, and that was the last time
that she ever participated in a TPUSA event exactly.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So this is June twenty fourteen, excuse me, twenty twenty four.
She was at the Amfest in twenty twenty three, but
once the Amfest came around in December twenty twenty four,
she's not there. So you're starting to see this distancing happening.
So this was in May of two thousand and twenty four. Now,
(22:24):
at some point around this time, a lot of people
have said, and it was reported that he unfollowed her
on Twitter. Is that true. It's hard to tell. You
have to go through their entire thing, but I know
that there has been there was news reports of that.
Either way, you see this distancing happening with this website,
and you see it happening through their events.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Is he following her now? I don't know.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
I'm not sure. It's too hard to tell me he
follows like one hundred thousand people. Oh wow, so's it's
not easy.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
To tell, okay.
Speaker 1 (22:55):
But the fact is is that you see this distancing happening.
You see it happening through the website, you see it
happening through the events. She and this is a big
deal for conservatives. If you want to enter that kind
of mainstream conservative realm and you are not invited to
a TPUSA event, you are not part of the conservative
mainstream movement period. End of story. So that is kind
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of where you kind of see this relationship now for her,
once this assassination happens, she starts to take this position
that she is this close friend. It was her best friend.
There was the position that she was taking. But she
hadn't spoken at a TPUSA event for well over a year.
And if you look at some of the text messages
(23:38):
that she's providing to the public, you're not seeing anything recent,
of anything substantial. You're not seeing a substantial conversation between
them two, that is anything within like the last year
or so of his assassination. There was a distancing happening.
As she moves forward with her investigations, This guy from
the UK that introduced her to George Farmer, this John
(24:01):
Mappin guy starts speaking out for Candace, and Candace's behalf
starts defending her, and this was the man that funded
tp UK to launch, and he's speaking out for Candace,
saying that she needs to continue asking these questions. Pretty
big kind of a moment, and you see there's a
(24:22):
moment where he is going through and saying that he
basically is co signing on Candace's investigation into this. Well.
Tyler Boyer responds to this John Mappen guy and basically
calls him a loser. He says, you're a loser, John,
and Candace responds to that.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
I don't think Turning Point USA is going to survive
if they continue down this path of you know, Tyler
Boyer late night tweeting at donors as he did over
the weekend. I think he directed his fire at like
John Mappen and Arena Mappen called John Mappen a loser.
(25:01):
I don't think that that's the direct messaging to come
out of Turning Point USA.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
So that's her protecting this John Mappen guy. And I
think at the end of the day, you're starting to
see this kind of UK contingency going at TPUSA. And
I say that Candice married a brit and is she
(25:26):
a dual citizen. I think that she claims that she
is not. In her lawsuit with the Macrones, they claim
that she is a British citizen by marriage, which I
thought was kind of interesting. Ultimately, how do we round
this all out? So my thoughts on this is this,
(25:47):
as far as the Charlie Kirk assassination goes, it's pretty
clear that Tyler Robinson was the killer. Was there some
people other than him involved, could potentially his his boyfriend
Triggs have been involved, or potentially some other of that
kind of gender furry movement known about this beforehand. Potentially
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maybe that will come out during the case. I think
that is potentially, if anything should be looked at, that
should be the area that should be looked at, because
that is the only kind of thing that we've seen
any evidence potentially of anyone having fore knowledge. There has
been some tweets that have been put out there that
could have looked like some people knew that something was
(26:29):
going to happen, although a lot of that has been debunked,
and I saw some of the things that have been debunked,
and it's I don't want to get into that right now.
We've kind of that's another rabbit hole, and maybe we'll
get into it another point. Ultimately, though, it's my belief
that Tyler Robinson was the killer that he killed him with.
His parents were the ones that turned him in. His
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parents were the one that identified the rifle. You do
not hear them coming out now and speaking about their
son being innocent. You do not hear him in his
recent court appearance coming out and saying that he was innocent.
There's no one from his family coming forward and saying
he did not do this. Although Candace claims to have
spoken to somebody behind the scenes, she's not showing that person,
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she's not interviewing that person, she's not having that person
on her show. There's no evidence that that's been happening.
It is the FBI has video of this man. Is
the Trump White House that is running this investigation through
the FBI in conjunction with the Utah the police Department.
(27:34):
I should take that back. The Utah Police Department is
running it with the FBI support. Okay, but you have
Charlie's people intimately involved in the investigation. They caught this
man forty eight hours within the assassination. He wasn't there
as a patsy ready to go. Everyone kind of points
to this thirty six rifle as being impossible that would
(27:57):
have blown his head off. If you actually look at
thirty odd six and depending on the kind of round
that it is, it is very possible for it to
have entered the body and not exited the body. There
are cases of this. There are ballistic experts that have
come forth and said that this is possible. They are
credible ballistic experts that have come forward to say this.
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So if you are saying that this is this big
cabal that Israel and France and the Trump administration and
the FBI and TPUSA executives and perhaps even Erica Kirk
somehow had something to do in coordinating this execution, but
through all of that, they put the wrong They used
(28:41):
the wrong gun, they use the wrong bullet. I mean,
it doesn't make any sense. It makes no sense whatsoever.
Why would they kill him so publicly. Why wouldn't they
just like someone, shake his hand or something with fentanyl
and kill him that way, or shoot him when he
is at home, in the privacy of his own home.
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Why do it so publicly like that where everybody can
kind of scrutinize it. It makes no sense. Ockham's razor
is the most the simplest explanation is probably the most
likely explanation that is the case here. There's been no
other evidence shooting outside of that realm. Now you have
all these conspiracy theorists coming forward and saying, oh, you know,
(29:23):
look at the way that this TPUSA executive was looking
at in the background, or oh, look at this phone
call that this person made afterwards, or look at all
these maroon T shirts that people were wearing, or there
was this tunnel underneath there and they covered over it
at some point. I mean, there's all of these wild
conspiracy theories, but there's no there there, there's no evidence
that's coming forward. Okay, it's very clear that this man
(29:46):
was involved. Now where some other people helping him plan out,
where there's some other people that were coaxing him into
doing it. I think that will all play out, and
we'll see that all play out over the course of
the investigation. But we this Internet generation has become so
I don't know, expecting of transparency, and they live their
(30:08):
lives onlines and they live through these true crime podcasts,
and they think we demand this information and we demand
it now. That is not the way cases are done.
That's not the way prosecutions are done. If you have
ever followed these kinds of things, if you have ever
been involved with kind of court interactions or court cases,
you know that that is not the case. They do
(30:30):
not want to lose this case. They want to put
this man in jail and potentially execute him, and they're
not going to make the mistake of screwing that up. Okay,
So that is kind of where I see as far
as the case goes, As far as Candice goes, I
think that she is just she's a buffoon. First of all.
(30:52):
I don't think she's that smart. I think she's dumb.
I think she's a good propagandist. I think she's great
with rhetoric. I think she knows how to build a cult.
But she is not high IQ by any stretch of
the words. You could see that in the way that
she executes things. You could see that in her investigations.
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There's this thing in screenwriting, and it's called a logic hole.
When you're writing a narrative for a screenplay and it
doesn't make sense because there's a logic hole in it,
there's something wrong with your logic. She is a horrible
script writer. In that sense, there's logic holes throughout her
entire narrative that she's been putting together. That is what
(31:37):
I mean by her being a buffoon. She is not
that smart, but she is in. But like Kanye West,
she is great provocateur. Yes, and I think ultimately she
is kicking tpusa's ass. She is destroying them every day
(31:57):
on her podcast, and they have no one to respond
to that. They have nobody with the charisma that Charlie
Kirk has. And that is why I think putting Erica
Kirk in this position. Although it might be good in
regards to a normal logical person to not attack the
widow of somebody that was so brutally executed, someone like
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Candace doesn't care.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
By the way, there's a lot of people like Candace
that hapn't cared. I've seen a lot of attacks on
Erica Kirk. By the way. I think it's interesting that
Candace's subscribers were the lowest that they'd been right before
Charlie's assassination, and now they're the highest that they've ever been.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
That's interesting that you say that, And that is exactly
that is exactly right right before the assassination of Charlie
Kirk her subscriber account, you know, expansion was near zero,
and then the day that he was he was assassinated,
and following that, it spiked enormously, So you're entirely you're
entirely right with that.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, you know, I don't think that she's necessarily stupid.
I think that she knows what she's doing and she's
doing it for audience capture.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
That doesn't make her smart. And you know, there's a
lot of people that are really great at audience capture.
That does not make them smart.
Speaker 2 (33:14):
She's nice smart in.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
That regards, and if she was smart, she wouldn't have
so many logic holes in her narrative. She would be
smarter about the way that she approaches her investigation.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
It's a cash cow for her right now, it.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
Is, and she's having the time. He's giddy, she's loving
every minute of this. And she anytime she runs out
of content, she just looks through her old messages between
Charlie Kirk and her. She's talking about Charlie Kirk dating
some other woman and about the clothing that he was
(33:51):
wearing and whether it was okay for him to wear
this outfit going out with this other woman that Candace
said he loved that was not Erica Kirk. Okay, this
woman is is doing this true crime podcast and she
has all of these kinds of true crime, true crime
q A on followers that are eating it up. They're
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eating it up. But that does not make her smart.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
You know what I think she is. I think she's
a woman scorned.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
And I think that when you look at her history
with TPUSA, as we spelled out, you see that she's
pissed off at them. She wants to destroy this company
and she wants to destroy them because she feels like
the rightful air. She thought that she was the person
that should have taken that position. In my opinion, she
had her husband was the chairman of TPUK. She was
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the one that helped expand it into into Great Britain.
She helped put them on the map nationally with that
Kanye West moment. It was a huge, huge moment for TPUSA.
It showed that they were reaching into kind of a
pop culture audience that no one else had at that time.
She felt that she was this was her company and
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the thing was is that Charlie did not attack her.
He quietly separated himself from her at the you know,
during that time, during that time from twenty twenty four
to twenty twenty five, but he didn't publicly attack her,
in publicly distance himself from her. And you know why,
because he knew what she was capable of. She's capable
of what's happening right now. So Candace is destroying TPUSA
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right now. They don't have anybody rhetorically that can battle
against her, and I think she has a chance to
succeed at this. The reason why they were so powerful
is because they had Charlie Kirk who could stand in
a debate and battle against people one on one at
these events. They have nobody there like that. Right now.
(35:50):
They have nobody there that can go up against Candace Owens.
Because facts don't matter to her. She will just go
straight for the jugular. Let me give you an example.
There was this recent tweet that Tyler Boyer put out,
and this was a direct job at Candace Owens. He says,
(36:10):
if my wife was posting about how innocent people who
were friends, family, or the spouse of Charlie Kirk murdered
Charlie Kirk, I would skip counseling and head straight for
the divorce lawyer's office. He's basically talking about George Farmer
and basically saying, George Farmer, if my wife was doing
what your wife is doing, I would head directly to
the divorce courts. Candace Owens responds in a way that
(36:35):
she just body slams him. You and your wife are swingers, Tyler,
was her response. One line simple, who knows if it's
true or not? She won't show any evidence because she
never does or very rarely does, I should say, and
there's no receipts here. But it was a kill shot.
They do not have it in them to go at
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her in that way.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
He should have responded to her and said, really, Candace,
because your husband's gay. Okay, Because if it were me
and someone comes at me, it comes at me hard.
You better believe I'm gonna come at you and I'm
gonna take you the hell out. And the rumors about
Kandace's husband, I don't know if they're true, but they
have been going nuclear. And by the way, these rumors
(37:21):
have been around for a very very long time. They've
recently resurfaced. But these are rumors that I have been hearing.
Speaker 1 (37:28):
For years, you know, And this is where they are
out there I want to get to that for a second.
But you know it's this, there's this kind of British
cabal that's going at TPOSA. Like I said earlier, this
John Mappin guy. You have Russell, a brand that has
put out videos for Candace, just recently defending her. While
(37:48):
he's scheduled to go to TPUSA.
Speaker 2 (37:50):
They should cut ties with him. If you're friends with her,
you can't come to our events.
Speaker 1 (37:54):
I would agree with that.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
And then they you have Milo Yanopolis, who has relatively
recently kind of patched old patched, made amends with with
Candice Owens. He goes on the Tim Poole Show and
starts making some outlandish, outlandish claims. Here he is when
(38:18):
she said, this feels like an inside job?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
It does? What does it does?
Speaker 8 (38:23):
Does the astronomically uh in adequate explanations given in my
view for the actions before, at, and after Charlie's death
and the behavior afterwards from both the federal government and
Turning Point executives. You think say nothing of his deeply
(38:43):
deeply sinister wife, what Erica, how is you sinister?
Speaker 9 (38:49):
No, my lord, my little please please question no, no, no,
hold on, no, no, hold on, Please please explain to
me how is Erica Kirk.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Have you seen the difference in the size of her
hands with Charlie's in their wedding pictures and then compared
it to him in his costcut.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Are you saying she's a man?
Speaker 8 (39:07):
No? No, I'm saying that wasn't Charlie in there. But
somebody tweeted today that Candice said that that that she
believed that they were about to get a divorce.
Speaker 9 (39:15):
I think he was gay, it says, and I think
he was gay, and you know that. I've you do
know that I've criticized like this is I'm sorry to him,
but like, why would you even go there, like to
say something like no, no, no, the man's dead.
Speaker 10 (39:29):
You're calling now.
Speaker 1 (39:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (39:31):
People were like, that's when people can tell the truth.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
So that is Milo accusing Charlie Kirk of being gay. Uh,
and also claiming that there's a potential that he's not dead.
It is, Uh, this guy, this man. I think that
they should deport Milo. I'm sorry. I think he should
be out of this country. He's a troublemaker.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
He's a merchant of chaos.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
He's a merchant of chaos. I bought into him for
a while. I thought he was kind of fun, But
now I I see what he's doing. All he is
doing is trying to cause chaos within the conservative movement.
He's aligning now with Candace. It's another brit coming to
trying to basically destroy TPUSA, claiming that Charlie Kirk is gay,
(40:18):
claiming that there's a potential that he's not dead, claiming
that they were going to get a divorce. And by
the way, this is the same man that not that
long ago, was accusing George Farmer of being gay. Here's
a tweet from Charlie from Milo saying, I want to
(40:39):
make something clear, Candace, when I said your husband was gay,
I wasn't looking at him. I was looking at you.
So he's basically claiming that at one point, and this
was in twenty twenty four, in January, excuse me, June
and July of twenty twenty four, long ago, he is
claiming that George Farmer was gay. Also, Rahem Cassam, the
(41:01):
other British kind of Brexit guy that's here in the
United States, also claims that George Farmer was gay. He said, well,
when your husband is a homosexual. That makes for a
difficult marriage. But if you support that kind of a thing,
I'm happy to lose you. So you know the fact
that you have Milo coming in and calling Charlie Kirk
gay and then just a year ago he was calling
(41:24):
Candice Owen's husband gay. I mean, this guy needs to go.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
He's everybody day by the way, that's kind.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
He's gone to our colleges. There's been riots there. Yes,
I know it was Antifa that caused the riots, but
this is not what free speech was supposed to be
about here in the United States. We don't want foreigners
coming into this country causing this kind of chaos and
causing these kinds of just kind of discord within the
conservative movement on sham accusations with no you know, with
(41:53):
nothing backing it up, just these kind of wild accusations
to kind of try to destroy TPUSA. You know, should
TPUSA survive. They've done a lot of good work. They
have helped they helped Trump get elected. They have people
all across the country. I have had friends have gone
out and knocked door to door for these guys. I
know of other people that have knocked door to door
for these people. They are the kinds of people that
(42:15):
on election Day they show up and they make people
get out there and vote. They've done important work, which
is why I also haven't been beating them up over
the last couple of years saying, you know, screw these guys.
They haven't you know, included us in. They have complete
They can choose who they want at their events and
who they don't want at their events, and if they
don't want us there, that's fine. But to at the
(42:38):
end of the day, you have to focus on truth.
You have to focus on what is factually correct. And
you have these merchants, these kind of chaos merchants out there,
like Milo and like Candice that are going to run
circles over the current tp USA team. They desperately need
(42:58):
somebody that can fight the way that these people can fight.
They they need to bring somebody within their their tent
that can push back the way that these guys can
push back. Otherwise they are not going to survive this
in the long run. They are going to continually get
attacked by the canvas Owens of the world until they
are just smashed into smithereens. And you the Democrats come
(43:22):
in and they start going after this company, and they
start investigating them and they break them up to take
this man out the way that they did, and to
have the right completely fighting amongst themselves and not at
least at the bare minimum, have the decency to not
falsely accuse executives of murdering a man and showing no
(43:45):
evidence whatsoever. It's a joke, these these Candace Owens is
a disgusting human being.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
She's a cancer. She's a cancer in this movement. And
if she can't have it, then nobody else can have it.
She's gonna burn it all down. She's gonna burn it
down to the ground. And she doesn't give a flying
f who suffers or who she has to take out.
If she doesn't get it, nobody gets it.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
And the fascinating thing is is you have guys like
Tucker Carlson that just came out and spoke on her
behalf and in her defense, basically using false information that
she has put out there, claiming that he knows it
to be true, which it's not. But you have Tucker
Carlson coming forth and putting out this this. Hey, I'm
friends with everybody on all sides of this, and I
(44:32):
kind of just want to stay out of this, and
Candace should be able to ask questions.
Speaker 10 (44:37):
Candee Owans, I've known a long time. I love Candis Owans.
Blake Nef at TPUSA once worked for me at a
couple of different places, and I love Blake Nef. Erica
Kirk I've known since she was dating Charlie Kirk, and
I love Erica Kirk, and I think these are all really,
really decent people. And so it's been my desire for
three months not to get involved in any of this,
(44:59):
and in general to think to myself, anybody who is
earnestly searching for the truth, whether they're right or wrong,
but as long as they're motivated by a desire to
find out what happened and therefore honor Charlie's memory by
getting to justice. Anyone who's doing that, I'm not going
to criticize again, no matter what track they're on. Lots
of us and this has certainly happened to me have
(45:21):
good moments, but good motives, but wind up in the
wrong place. But it's a sincere mistake, so that definitely happens.
I have done that, and so I've just wanted to
stay out. I'm going to do my best to stay
out of it because I love Charlie and I want
justice to be done in this case. But the rest
of us should remain skeptical. We have a duty to
remain skeptical, and we should not be ashamed of our skepticism.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
That man is not a leader. He is not a leader.
It was a completely cowardice position for him to take.
I mean, who amongst us doesn't have a friend accusing
another friend of murder, because that is basically the position
that he's taken. He's basically standing with Candice as Candace
accuses Erica Kirk and TPUSA executives of being involved in
(46:08):
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. If you can't come out
and say show me the evidence or this is or
that we're done. If you can't do that, then all
you care about is his audience capture. And I think
that's what Candace Owens is doing. I think that's what
Russell Brand is doing. You see these kind of you know,
Russell Brand once again being another brit You have Tucker
(46:32):
right now. I've just I've had my issue with him
in the past. We've vocalized that here in the past
in regards to the way that he handled COVID, I
thought that he handled he was a complete betrayal. He
went in and argued for Trump to shut down and
then leaked that conversation to Vanity Fair and so I've
had problems with him in the past, but in this
(46:52):
particular case, it just is it's so frustrating. I didn't
like it when he interviewed Andrew Tate and let Andrew
Tate lie to the public and didn't end up correcting that. Ever,
he plays this kind of like, oh, you know, I'm
just this kind of podcaster. I'm just a podcaster, and
then the next second he's saying, oh, you know, I'm
a journalist. I have this long history of journalism.
Speaker 10 (47:12):
I should know what Cannas is saying is clearly causing
a lot of turmoil. Is it true or not? I
can't assess it. I'm not the FBI. I'm a freaking podcaster.
I'm a freaking podcast or I'm a freaking pod cast.
Sure if I were doing this investigation, because I spent
my whole life doing non criminal investigations called journalism, called journalism.
Speaker 1 (47:33):
He doesn't use the same editorial standards for Candas's research
and for Candas's investigations, but he has, you know, this
contempt for Dan Bongino and Cash Betel. They can't make
a single mistake, but Candace can make any mistake in
the book, and he doesn't. He's never critical of her.
(47:54):
Why why is that? Why is he traveling all over
the Middle East, all over the place, going to Guitar
and Doha. He's interviewing Putin out in Russia, and.
Speaker 2 (48:05):
He's buying a house in Guitar, isn't he.
Speaker 1 (48:07):
He just announced that he's buying a house in Guitar.
Speaker 10 (48:11):
Personally, not to make it about me, but I have
been criticized as being a tool of Qatar, and I
just want to say what you already know, which is
I've never taken anything from your country and and and
don't plan to. I am, however, tomorrow, buying a place
in Qatar, both because I am in oh and I'm
doing that because I like the city. I think it's beautiful,
(48:33):
but also to make the statement that I'm an American
and a free man and I'll be wherever I want
to be, which I think is important.
Speaker 1 (48:39):
What is up with all of this foreign activity that
he's doing. You know, I'm not like this whole, like
you know, Mark Levin putting out there. They're calling him
Tucker Katar Olson. It's funny, it's definitely funny, but there
is something strange about it. It's strange now, and I
don't understand why it is that everything that Kennis has
(49:04):
put out there that's been so wrong, Why has he
not distanced himself from her. He's speaking at Amfest twenty
twenty five, He's one of the lead speakers there. They're
going on, they're letting him, They're letting him speak, I
think because they're in a tough position because he's connected
with a VP Vance and VP Vance is also speaking
(49:26):
at the event, and they're in this kind of very
tough situation right now where they're being accused of being
aligned with israel I. Just this has been one of
the most troubling things that I've ever seen in conservative media.
I think a friend of the show, Matthew Brown, said
it best when he looks back at the JFK situation,
(49:47):
the JFK assassination, this whole thing, and watching this whole
Charlie Kirk thing happen real time is starting to make
him believe that Harvey Alswad was the only shooter. And
I'm starting to feel the same way. You're starting to
see this psychosis take over. We have been talking about
conspiracy theorists and conspiracy theorism spreading throughout the conservative movement
(50:10):
for a while now. We've been talking about that for
a couple of years. It has gotten to epidemic proportions.
It is making us look, it's basically making the argument
for censorship. When the Democrats get back in power, they
are going to use all of this to censor us. Yeah,
and that is why you need a Tucker Carlson and
Amegan Kelly to start speaking out and speaking out now
(50:34):
and distancing themselves from this woman, or at least, at
the bare minimum, debunk the things that she's been putting
out there about these your friends over at tpusay that
you claim are your friends, we.
Speaker 2 (50:45):
Call around, so you need to show receipts already.
Speaker 1 (50:48):
This is it has been.
Speaker 2 (50:50):
Where is your evidence?
Speaker 1 (50:51):
She is Satan embodied in the human form. She's the
most disgusting person that I have ever seen in media period.
For her to do this the way that she is
doing this and going on and I'm no, I was
never a huge fan of Charlie Kirk's We've talked about this,
you know, he was the quintessential gatekeeper he had. We've
(51:14):
been on air for seven years. We would have benefited,
we've been we've done fine without being associated with TPUSA.
But he's never invited us to any of his events,
so we are not like in the in bed with
with Charlie Kirk, I think that he was far too
much of a gatekeeper than he should have been. But
that said, there's decency and ultimately nothing is sacred anymore. Nobody.
(51:41):
How can you look at this man be killed in
public so gruesomely and not give a little bit of
grace to this woman. It's just it's it's so frustrating
to see this happen and at the end of the day,
just follow the truth. She Kennice Owens, does not care
about the truth. She has put out false information time
(52:03):
and time and time again. She does not show receipts,
and when she does the few times that she does,
it gets debunked or it gets minimalized because everybody already
knew that information.
Speaker 2 (52:16):
So by the way, and so many of the times,
it's it's embarrassing. I mean, it is like, oh my gosh,
that is embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (52:23):
So you know, there's this, there's this, there's this thing
that's happening right now where people just don't care about
the truth. And it is scary moment right now for
media because we have to rely on the leaders within
the conservative movement, like a candidate, like a Tucker Carlson
and like a Megan Kelly to speak out and the
(52:44):
fact that they haven't yet is reprehensible. That's it for
this episode of Famboogie. Keep an eye out for the
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