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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay when he throw your headphones on, the after show
is beginning. Hi, everybody, welcome in. Yeah, it's the after show.
The show just ended and now it's after get it
after show? How do we do it? How do we
do it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
When our role this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Justine? Thank you very much? Thank you. I hope everyone
had a great weekend. I did. When he did, I think,
I don't know. Let me guess. Hold on, you went
out to eat with your boyfriend? Yes, yeah, there we go.
Any good spots?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Chili's?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay? Can we try somewhere local?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's funny. We have a whole list of places to go.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's like we have a little shared note where we
publices want to go. And then I just feel like
a third No. Saturday, we just laid in bed to
like four pm. And finally I was like, okay, I'm
so hungry, like let's go at food. And he said, okay,
where do you want to go? And I just didn't
really feel like thinking, so I said Chili's.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You laid in bed until four o'clock? Yeah, what is that? Like?
It's amazing what I imagine what I got done in
that time?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah? Well, I feel like him and I have both
pretty early risers.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But we went to bed late on Friday because of
the games, because he went out with his friends to
watch it. So he came over after and then so
he didn't get in my house like eleven, and then
like we just went to bed late and then we
woke up about the dog and it was just kind
of it was like overcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It wasn't really like a let's.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Were you watching TV?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah we were. Yeah, what were you watching?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We watched you, We watched the Pit, We watched Oh
that documentary Deadly Marriage?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh is that good?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's okay. It could have been an email.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
See And that's the thing about these documentaries that it
shows up on my like my Facebook or wherever and
it's like hot new show. You got to see it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It could have been an email. I was like over
it after the I mean yeah it was fine.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wouldn't waste my time again.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm on Mobland.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, it's good, Tom Hardy. It's since set in England,
but it's about it's about the mob Mobland. But it's
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's pretty much in Mobland. Cassie his husband.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Who does he play?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know he's in like episode four or something.
I'll tell you right now. Oh my god, what is
the premiere in London?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh? Shoot, what's his name? Oh my god, I need
to know who he was? Okay, oh oh, I know
who that is.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He plays Donnie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh wow, I'm trying to think. Oh Donnie, Yeah,
that's her husband. Yeah, holy shit. Okay, the did he trial?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
We can talk about it here. We haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here's my thing. Yeah, Diddy is a piece of shit. Yes,
a domestic abuser, a drug addict, whatever is what it is.
Just an awful person. But they're not doing a good
job of proving the racketeering and the I mean the
the RICO Act and the trafficking. They're just showing that
he was a domestic abuser. But that's only because Cassie
(02:55):
had to go first because she's going to give birth exactly.
So I'm not a lawyer, but in my mind and
watching the trial, I would think they would have if
they had the choice done, shown all the evidence for
the main charges, the RICO and the trafficking and everything,
and then put Cassie on. It's like a nail in
the coffin, right, but unfortunately they haven't. So they haven't
proven anything except for that he's a piece of shit
(03:17):
domestic abuser.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And it's funny his lawyers are saying that, like, yeah,
he is a piece of shit. Yeah, but like that's
not what he's on trial.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He's not. He's on trial for that.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But you know who is going to be testifying this
week is Dawn and Audrey from the Dandy Kane.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh no, Audrey's not, she pulled out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
She did.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Audrey Audrey O day yea Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey O day. No,
she's not. She said it the other day. So what
another member is Dawn?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, yeah, she said she saw I think Serry started
on Friday, the end of Friday, maybe she started. Like
her testimony, she said she saw him hit Cassie.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I feel like everybody saw him hit Castie and no
one did anything.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No one did anything. Yeah, Like there was one part
of the testimony where the male escort was having sex
with Cassie and he was telling Diddy was watching and
directing and this is pretty pretty crazy. And he was
telling Cassie to finish and she couldn't so he literally
went over and grabbed her while they were mid intercourse,
pulled her into the other room, and all the escort
(04:16):
heard was smack smack, smack, and he's like, you finished,
When I fucking say you finish? I mean, this guy
was a fucking monster, And I can't help but think. Okay,
he had the parties, Obviously, people knew when to leave.
Not all the celebrities went to the party. But this
dude was boys with jay Z, Beyonce, all these biggest stars.
No one had any idea obviously about the freak ops.
(04:39):
What about the abuse? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But my other question is all the famous women he dated,
j Lo, who was the one he just taking? Young
Miami or young j Sheewa are from city.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Girls for two years? Like what was he doing with them?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was like was he only doing I can't imagine
he's only doing freak ops with Cassie, Like he must
have been doing them with other females that he was dating. Correct,
you would think, kim Porter, maybe he had three children
with her.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, well there's theories about that. There's a theory that
he had something to do with her death. Yeah, that's
just a theory. Kim Porter. There's also a theory that
he poisoned Jamie Fox see that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, I did see that, yeap.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Because Pete Diddy was the last person Jamie Fox saw
before he went to the hospital. He woke up in
the hospital after seeing Diddy. Yeah, I mean, this is
all speculation. But now after seeing all the stuff that's
been coming out in the trial, he.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Had died around him, Tupac Biggie. Then that Shine guy
went to jail.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, he basically he fuck Shine. He definitely fuck Shine.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah. So actually no, no, no, no, no, no no,
he Shine took the hit for yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I know meimpo.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah. And there's another weird part of the Diddy trial.
So back in twenty maybe seventeen, there was a guy,
white guy who tried to assassinate Donald Trump. He showed
up at mar A Lago and like with the guns
and everything, right, and so they put him in the
interrogration room and this is you know, this is eight
years ago before did he got charged. And he was
(06:01):
started talking about how he was a sex slave for
Ditty Yeah, and that people were like because he clearly
had mental illness, so they just disregarded it. It was
confirmed by Cassie this week that that guy was a
fucking legit sex lave. For Ditty, he was telling the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, you know what's funny is that he liked her
to have sex with not good looking men.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They were normally like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But he did have male escorts though, that were not
good looking on purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yes, yeah, I didn't see them, yeah, she said, like, yeah,
he wanted them to be like short ball, like like
just not conventionally attractive men, like they were not like
like that guy wasn't conventionally attractive, like I wouldn't consider
him like no, you know, so it's interesting the type
of men he wanted her to have sex with, because
maybe that's how he saw himself.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know, but or maybe he saw himself better
of them.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm better than I would think. That's what it was. Yeah,
to a certain power, maybe dominance. I really don't get in.
And again, if there's children listening, please yeah, turn this off.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Put a warning in the title.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, where the escort was having sex with Cassie again
while Diddy was watching, And what he liked was when
when the escort would finish, you know, finish sexually that
Diby Diddy would want it to be rubbed by Cassie
on him, on him, specifically his nipples. What is that Whennie,
(07:21):
Now you're you're your sexual freak, right, I mean you
probably do some freaky ship I think, Okay, other than
that freaky.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No another guy, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I don't even know what to say about that. That's
when you've had so much sex with all the women
in the world that you want and nothing is enough.
It's like from a male perspective, it's like porn. When
you watch porn non stop. What happens is regular porn
that you watch stops working for you, and you got
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to get weirder and weirder and weirder before you're watching
like some crazy shit.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't watch porn.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's good. You probably shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like I've seen it obviously, but I don't. I sometimes
watch it like it for entertainment, like ha ha, but
I've never like gotten off to it, like yeah, it's
it's weird.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I I can't talk about this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Do you old that time you had a porn addiction?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah? I did. I did have a porn No no, no,
I did, I did. I didn't watch porn for probably
a year or two years, and it was very beneficial
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Are you back to watching it again?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's what I was gonna say, Oh you're back, Well,
not anywhere near that. I only I only will if
it's that time of the month, things like that, right,
because I'm married, you know. But what I found is
I might start watching it, but I don't complete it.
I end up putting it down. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You put do you complete yourself?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I complete myself. But what happens is I end up
And I'm not making this up. I'm not saying this.
My wife does not listen to this podcast. I end
up just thinking about her. You know. That's just the
way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's how that's how should be. That's a healthy marriage,
right there?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is that what that is?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, I should be your only source of sexual pleasure.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, okay, like that is healthy.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. Yeah. Once you start thinking about other people, then
it's whatever. All right, enough of us, Yeah, and here
let's get some talkbacks.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So I'm listening to the after show, and you guys
were just like talking about winnies, you know, lesbian time.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And it was fun.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It wasn't fun, it was fun, but it wasn't good,
but it was good. But it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was just a thing.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
And then you were like, yes, so leave us a talkback. Well,
I'm leaving you a talkback. I want that tea. I'm
rooting for you either way. I don't care which way.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But what happened, Yeah, I die for it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, you know her and I broke up last year
and we're no longer together, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You were just gay for the stay I we.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Talked, rather she pursued me.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I was.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You know, I'm a strong as I am all for
you know, I think you can love whoever you want. Like,
I definitely support the LGBTQ. I A, I just don't
identify as that. If anything, maybe you could have called
me pan sexual for the time being, I guess. But
like when I tell you, I don't look at girls
like that, Like I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like, Okay, do you think that the decision to go
down that road and start dating a girl was had
anything to do with maybe some bad luck or bad
experiences that you had with men.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, And I hate to be that person because I
like a lot of girls end up doing that at
the time that she came into my life. I hadn't
had a relationship like an actual, you know, boyfriend in
hears and I was just living life and I had
some situationships, I had guys I hooked up with, but
nothing I was I had not had a meaningful connection
(10:54):
with somebody in four or five years, probably, so I
think that I was kind of longing for that, and
I think she she came in the right time where
I was like everything in my life was like settled,
like I had my own place, I had, like the
career I wanted. I had good friends and good family,
and I just kind of wanted like someone to share
that with. So when she came around, I was like, oh,
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I don't think I'm not into girls, but like she's cool,
so like I won't be mean to her because I
felt like she was clearly attracted to me and was
interested in me romantically, and I didn't want to be
like mean. And then it ended up being like she
niced her way into my life, like just treating me
nicely and taking me out and whatever, and then I
started getting feelings for her because she was an attractive person,
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like physically.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Like she's not ugly, beautiful girl.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So I just it wasn't you know, I think sexuaty
can be fluid, like it's you know what I mean,
Like it's not necessarily like, oh, you can't have any
type of sexual feelings towards someone that's not your typical type.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But but yeah, so that's you know, we did not
work out.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I did say I will not be speaking about it,
mostly because I now have a boyfriend, So I just
don't think it's respectful to talk about my past relationship
with somebody when like him and I are and we
have a great relationship. So I don't really see a
point to like bring up my shitty past. But yeah, well,
I mean you could probably guess what happened use your imagination.
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You know, we were together, she wasn't doing the right things,
the right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
She wasn't a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It was not a healthy relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But actually just talking.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But that's what I'll say about her.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
She was very nice to me, but we did not
have a healthy relationship, which I think was like a
mind fuck for me because I never had somebody just
she was. She treated me nicely and I don't want
to like disparage her name, like she was shitty to
me and she was mean, like she was sweet, she
was nice. She outwardly was like you saw how she
was with me, like loving. She spent like I don't
say money, but she took care of me in like
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different ways. But when it came to the important parts,
she missed the mark.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, so you know what, you had to go through
a frog to get to your prints.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
She was a bridge. She was a bridge to him.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
She really was because I because of her, I feel
like I found him because like he is the type
of guy that I was not dating, not because I
just hadn't met somebody like him, And I think she
kind of like bridged me into way where I could
never go back to the guys I was dating before her,
because she kind of like up the game a little bit,
which is really sad since whatever, But so now that
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I had somewhat of a relationship that I was liking
how it was going, that I was okay, the next
person has to be had those qualities and then plus
the things that she didn't provide. So and I feel
like that's literally what I have with him.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So when will we see see him? Maybe on social
media and not just his fingernail.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, I think this goes back to the trauma from her.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Where I just I pos after I started, you know,
I kind of saft launched her and I just started
posting her. I was like, fuck it, like whatever, she
can be wherever I am. It's fine, Like it's not
a secret.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I just it's just me. It's not him, Like we
have pictures together, like we go out every day, like
all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I have plenty of stuff on my phone of him,
Like I'm just kind of nurturing our relationship and just
making sure that it's like solid, which it is. Like
I have nothing bad to say about him, I have
no red flags.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Hard hitting question coming your way in coming, Yeah, is
there any hesitation to post him because of her? What
do you mean like your previous girlfriend? Like you mean
like like maybe she'll see it and then we reach
out to you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh, I don't care about that because I have a
close friend story, which I think I don't know if
you're on or not, And she was in my close
friend story and I was. I posted him when we
were in Dallas on my close friends like his face.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
She saw that, but then I blocked her afterwards.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
There we go Petty, the Queen of Petty. That's what
you're talking about right there, the Queen of Petty.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Wow, morning.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I was just wondering if Justin has consecut writing a book,
I'd love to be the day.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean, it would be cool.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But you have a podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I have a podcast, an audiobook like like we could
do we could do a whole episode just like about you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I actually have a question about that about when it
comes to writing a book. Okay, do I have to
change the names of all the people if they're dead? Now? Okay,
what about lawsuits?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
From who?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
From the people that I mentioned that? Maybe I'm not
going to be in the best light.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I say, if they're dead.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If they're dead, I can oh, if they're alive, I
can't do I change the names?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't know. That's a legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Un Let you ask them first, right, like, Okay, give
me an example.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm just thinking, like, you know one kid that I
spent a lot of time with when I was a teenager.
We don't talk anymore, but he's still alive, still alive?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is he clean now?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay, so he's deafer for a book?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
We did well, we did a lot a lot of
shit together, like a lot of dirt together.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Oh and then I wouldn't say if he well is
the statute limitations up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm not worried so much about that. I'm worried about
you know, him or whoever being painted in a bad light. Okay,
there's no way to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay, Then I would say, then I'm going back. I'm
going to stand by. If they're dead, you can say
the real name. If they're no longer, if they're in
the flesh.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Change their names. So that's gonna be a that would
be a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
If his names, if his names.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Say his names, say his name is Dave, Calm, Dan, Okay,
his name's not but Dave. By the way, I'll tell
you also, like you.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Know what I mean, it's if it's Tyler Calm, Kyle, Kyle,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I just don't know, you know, to be if I
if I'm going to be truly honest in telling the
stories and telling like the path that I went down.
There's a lot of things that I don't share on
this podcast on the air that are just downright awful.
And it's like, do I write about that stuff? I
don't know. I mean, I was in the depths of
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drug addiction, so it's kind of a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Are you well, Okay, you share so much of it.
Are you embarrassed about the stuff that you haven't shared yet? Probably,
like you would have shared it by now if it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, well, I send the funny stuff usually. I mean,
I say the funny stuff that's funny to look back an.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You've talked about, like being sleeping on the streets and
throbbing people and fucking girls.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, you're nasty.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Day you haven't showered in a month. That's kind of funny,
but that's fucking nasty.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's kind of funny. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I mean, I feel like you've told so much of
your story, Like, do you feel like you've left parts out?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I definitely have left parts out, like.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Really interesting juicy parts, like tea.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Some of it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, like what's more interesting? What really happened between me
and my ex girlfriend? Or you're your ship on the
street yet?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh your girlfriend for sure?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, then go ahead and tell the story. You should
tell you a story.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
No, I have to really think about it. But how
do you go about writing a book? Like?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
What do you I mean, ask Ben Mezrek next time
he's in.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, you just start with drafts and then you organize
your thoughts, right, So I mean for you it should
be relatively easy in parallel, like the order start from.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yes, yes, because it is a story if when I
think back about it is a.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Story childhood because your parents are lovely, but there was
some missteps in parenting.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Definitely were definitely were you know, well, did I ever
tell you the story? I actually I thought about this
when I was thinking about the book, I ever tell
the story about McLain Hospital. When I was like my
first program.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I think, I think, Alex, your brother, wasn't he did
he write your letter or something like that?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No? No, no, that that was dead. That was in jail. Okay,
But this is my first program. I was thirteen years old.
They put me in McLain hospital. It was an adolescent unit,
and so I'm in there with kids that are from
thirteen to eighteen, and I was on the younger end,
so they were like seventeen and eighteen year olds there.
And that was really my introduction to like this whole
other world of like fucked up kids, you know. And
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so they had dude, this will blow your mind. I
never told you about the bus. They tell you about this. Okay.
When I think back about this, I'm like, this has
got to be banned for real. So there was a
kid there that had been in the program before. He
was probably seventeen and either Grateful Dead you know who
they are, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I had one of their concerts. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah. Yeah, So people travel with the band, Okay, So
this kid was in the program when he was fourteen
or fifteen. He ended up leaving and he was traveling
with the Grateful Dead with his best friend, and they
were in a city somewhere in the Midwest or whatever.
What happened is you would hitchhike or you would just
grab a ride with people that were traveling too. So
they were obviously messed up on drugs, probably psychedelics, and
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so they left one show. They got out and they
were trying to find a ride. They found a van
of people that were leaving. They asked, and they said,
we only have room for one. And so the kid
said to his friend, just go, I'll find another ride
and catch up. So his friend went with these strangers,
and what happened on the way there is they were
shooting hero and he had never done that, and they
asked if he wanted to try it, and he said okay,
And so they shot him up on the highway and
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he overdosed and they pulled over on the side of
the road and kicked him out on the side of
the road and he died and they left him to die. Yeah,
so it was a very traumatic event. So we used
to have this group therapy session with this doctor that
would come in and we'd each every week we'd have
to do a different like fucking therapy session. So this
week it was this kid. So we show up to
this crew and the doctor explains to us that we
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have to re enact Okay, the van. Yes, dude, I
was the bus driver.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Okay, who was the guy who was who was the
guy that overdosed?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So another kid was the kid. Yeah, so basically it
was how the van was set up. Here, the kid
explained it. I was with the chairs were set up
like a bus, right, Yeah, I was in the front
and uh. And then there was one of the kids
that were in the program was the kid that died.
And when he he pretended to like go to sleep
like he was dying.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What do you mean the guy that was in the
program died?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But one of the kids that was in your program.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Was the kid that died was playing him. Okay, okay, yeah,
he was playing the kid who died. So he was
sitting there and they said, okay, now go to sleep
as if you are dying. And when he did, the
kid who's you know that was in the program was
sitting right next to him, and he got a chance
to say goodbye, and he started fucking saying goodbye to
his best friend, weeping and screaming and sorry, dude, I
(21:20):
was thirteen years old. I get chills thinking about it, like,
how the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it still didn't stop you from doing Heroin?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh no, okay, no, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And that didn't scare your streets who you are doing
from the fucking beginning.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Not much, not much help me. But I think about
stories like that, and I'm like Heroin yet Oh no,
I didn't do Heroin until I was like sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Excuse the fuck out of me.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Wow, I'm like, I'm a good kid.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I didn't until I was sixteen.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, I was doing pills percocets and on the street
you could just buy them. Yeah, And then I said,
never do heroin. But then what happened is the pills
went up to eighty dollars a pill for an oc
eighty and I couldn't afford it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
How much is heroin cheap?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Cheap? Ten dollars for a little bag. You can get
a bundle which is ten bags. And so then I
started that and then it was like, I'll never shoot heroin.
That's like that's sorting heroin. I was snorting it. Yeah, yeah,
And then I said, and then I developed a habit.
This is the same cycle that everyone has. You develop
a habit where you're snipping it every day and not
getting high, You're just feeling normal and not being sick.
(22:24):
And then there comes a day where the kids like, dude,
just shoot it, and then you do that. You never
do anything again. You shoot you No, I know, girl,
I never did that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, no, that's that was your line.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I wouldn't do that. I don't care because there's there's
many other veins that I could inject into them.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But it's just.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Crazy because like so much time and you're like a
walking example that you do get better because I used
to think like Heroin was a death sentence.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Sometimes it is a.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lot of the time, it is right.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You don't see the other side of someone like you,
that you put all this shit in your ba you
and throw all this stuff and you're a.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Normal guy, that he's a dad and has.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A job, and yeah, well I did a lot of
work on myself.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You did.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But I'm saying like you are, that there is another
side to like, you know, people can't get better Whennie.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm not putting you in my book. Okay, you can
try to fucking you can try to suck up as
much as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Happy to say, I did not know you during that
time you're life.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh you didn't want to know me?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean sometimes now I don't want to know you.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, all right, everyone else, make sure you leaves at
talk Back. We'll try to get to them every single
after show. You can just tap the red microphone or
whatever color it is. Is it white or red? I
think it's red.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Is it red? It is red?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I never use them.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I never use it. Yeah. Anyway, when you're listening to
the podcast only on the iHeartRadio apps, you got to
listen on the iHeart app. Just tap the red microphone.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
The microphone itself is white, but the little circle is red.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Just tap the fucking microphone and record your.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Mess you want to, if you want to be specific.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and you can talk back to us and we'll
have a discussion. So anyway, I have a great toy.
Enjoy the wind.
Okay when he throw your headphones on, the after show
is beginning. Hi, everybody, welcome in. Yeah, it's the after show.
The show just ended and now it's after get it
after show? How do we do it? How do we
do it?
Speaker 2 (00:12):
When our role this morning?
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Justine? Thank you very much? Thank you. I hope everyone
had a great weekend. I did. When he did, I think,
I don't know. Let me guess. Hold on, you went
out to eat with your boyfriend? Yes, yeah, there we go.
Any good spots?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Chili's?
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay? Can we try somewhere local?
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's funny. We have a whole list of places to go.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
It's like we have a little shared note where we
publices want to go. And then I just feel like
a third No. Saturday, we just laid in bed to
like four pm. And finally I was like, okay, I'm
so hungry, like let's go at food. And he said, okay,
where do you want to go? And I just didn't
really feel like thinking, so I said Chili's.
Speaker 1 (00:52):
You laid in bed until four o'clock? Yeah, what is that? Like?
It's amazing what I imagine what I got done in
that time?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Yeah? Well, I feel like him and I have both
pretty early risers.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
But we went to bed late on Friday because of
the games, because he went out with his friends to
watch it. So he came over after and then so
he didn't get in my house like eleven, and then
like we just went to bed late and then we
woke up about the dog and it was just kind
of it was like overcast.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
It wasn't really like a let's.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
Were you watching TV?
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah, yeah we were. Yeah, what were you watching?
Speaker 3 (01:24):
We watched you, We watched the Pit, We watched Oh
that documentary Deadly Marriage?
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Oh is that good?
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's okay. It could have been an email.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
See And that's the thing about these documentaries that it
shows up on my like my Facebook or wherever and
it's like hot new show. You got to see it.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It could have been an email. I was like over
it after the I mean yeah it was fine.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Okay, Yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
Wouldn't waste my time again.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
I'm on Mobland.
Speaker 2 (01:49):
Oh you are?
Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, it's good, Tom Hardy. It's since set in England,
but it's about it's about the mob Mobland. But it's
pretty good.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
It's pretty much in Mobland. Cassie his husband.
Speaker 1 (02:02):
Who does he play?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
I don't know he's in like episode four or something.
I'll tell you right now. Oh my god, what is
the premiere in London?
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Oh? Shoot, what's his name? Oh my god, I need
to know who he was? Okay, oh oh, I know
who that is.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
He plays Donnie.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Yeah, yeah, oh wow, I'm trying to think. Oh Donnie, Yeah,
that's her husband. Yeah, holy shit. Okay, the did he trial?
Speaker 2 (02:31):
We can talk about it here. We haven't talked about it.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Here's my thing. Yeah, Diddy is a piece of shit. Yes,
a domestic abuser, a drug addict, whatever is what it is.
Just an awful person. But they're not doing a good
job of proving the racketeering and the I mean the
the RICO Act and the trafficking. They're just showing that
he was a domestic abuser. But that's only because Cassie
(02:55):
had to go first because she's going to give birth exactly.
So I'm not a lawyer, but in my mind and
watching the trial, I would think they would have if
they had the choice done, shown all the evidence for
the main charges, the RICO and the trafficking and everything,
and then put Cassie on. It's like a nail in
the coffin, right, but unfortunately they haven't. So they haven't
proven anything except for that he's a piece of shit
(03:17):
domestic abuser.
Speaker 2 (03:17):
And it's funny his lawyers are saying that, like, yeah,
he is a piece of shit. Yeah, but like that's
not what he's on trial.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
He's not. He's on trial for that.
Speaker 3 (03:25):
But you know who is going to be testifying this
week is Dawn and Audrey from the Dandy Kane.
Speaker 1 (03:31):
Oh no, Audrey's not, she pulled out.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
She did.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
Audrey Audrey O day yea Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey Aubrey O day. No,
she's not. She said it the other day. So what
another member is Dawn?
Speaker 3 (03:42):
Okay, yeah, she said she saw I think Serry started
on Friday, the end of Friday, maybe she started. Like
her testimony, she said she saw him hit Cassie.
Speaker 1 (03:51):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
I feel like everybody saw him hit Castie and no
one did anything.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
No one did anything. Yeah, Like there was one part
of the testimony where the male escort was having sex
with Cassie and he was telling Diddy was watching and
directing and this is pretty pretty crazy. And he was
telling Cassie to finish and she couldn't so he literally
went over and grabbed her while they were mid intercourse,
pulled her into the other room, and all the escort
(04:16):
heard was smack smack, smack, and he's like, you finished,
When I fucking say you finish? I mean, this guy
was a fucking monster, And I can't help but think. Okay,
he had the parties, Obviously, people knew when to leave.
Not all the celebrities went to the party. But this
dude was boys with jay Z, Beyonce, all these biggest stars.
No one had any idea obviously about the freak ops.
(04:39):
What about the abuse? Right?
Speaker 3 (04:41):
But my other question is all the famous women he dated,
j Lo, who was the one he just taking? Young
Miami or young j Sheewa are from city.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
Girls for two years? Like what was he doing with them?
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Right?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
What was like was he only doing I can't imagine
he's only doing freak ops with Cassie, Like he must
have been doing them with other females that he was dating. Correct,
you would think, kim Porter, maybe he had three children
with her.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah, well there's theories about that. There's a theory that
he had something to do with her death. Yeah, that's
just a theory. Kim Porter. There's also a theory that
he poisoned Jamie Fox see that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yeah, I did see that, yeap.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Because Pete Diddy was the last person Jamie Fox saw
before he went to the hospital. He woke up in
the hospital after seeing Diddy. Yeah, I mean, this is
all speculation. But now after seeing all the stuff that's
been coming out in the trial, he.
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Had died around him, Tupac Biggie. Then that Shine guy
went to jail.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Yeah, he basically he fuck Shine. He definitely fuck Shine.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Yeah. So actually no, no, no, no, no, no no,
he Shine took the hit for yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Yeah, I know meimpo.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah. And there's another weird part of the Diddy trial.
So back in twenty maybe seventeen, there was a guy,
white guy who tried to assassinate Donald Trump. He showed
up at mar A Lago and like with the guns
and everything, right, and so they put him in the
interrogration room and this is you know, this is eight
years ago before did he got charged. And he was
(06:01):
started talking about how he was a sex slave for
Ditty Yeah, and that people were like because he clearly
had mental illness, so they just disregarded it. It was
confirmed by Cassie this week that that guy was a
fucking legit sex lave. For Ditty, he was telling the truth.
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Well, you know what's funny is that he liked her
to have sex with not good looking men.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
They were normally like.
Speaker 1 (06:20):
But he did have male escorts though, that were not
good looking on purpose.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
Yes, yeah, I didn't see them, yeah, she said, like, yeah,
he wanted them to be like short ball, like like
just not conventionally attractive men, like they were not like
like that guy wasn't conventionally attractive, like I wouldn't consider
him like no, you know, so it's interesting the type
of men he wanted her to have sex with, because
maybe that's how he saw himself.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Yeah, I don't.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I don't know, but or maybe he saw himself better
of them.
Speaker 1 (06:47):
I'm better than I would think. That's what it was. Yeah,
to a certain power, maybe dominance. I really don't get in.
And again, if there's children listening, please yeah, turn this off.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Put a warning in the title.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yeah, where the escort was having sex with Cassie again
while Diddy was watching, And what he liked was when
when the escort would finish, you know, finish sexually that
Diby Diddy would want it to be rubbed by Cassie
on him, on him, specifically his nipples. What is that Whennie,
(07:21):
Now you're you're your sexual freak, right, I mean you
probably do some freaky ship I think, Okay, other than
that freaky.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
No another guy, I don't.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I don't even know what to say about that. That's
when you've had so much sex with all the women
in the world that you want and nothing is enough.
It's like from a male perspective, it's like porn. When
you watch porn non stop. What happens is regular porn
that you watch stops working for you, and you got
(07:51):
to get weirder and weirder and weirder before you're watching
like some crazy shit.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
You know.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
I don't watch porn.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It's good. You probably shouldn't.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
Like I've seen it obviously, but I don't. I sometimes
watch it like it for entertainment, like ha ha, but
I've never like gotten off to it, like yeah, it's
it's weird.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
I I can't talk about this.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Do you old that time you had a porn addiction?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Yeah? I did. I did have a porn No no, no,
I did, I did. I didn't watch porn for probably
a year or two years, and it was very beneficial
to me.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Are you back to watching it again?
Speaker 1 (08:24):
That's what I was gonna say, Oh you're back, Well,
not anywhere near that. I only I only will if
it's that time of the month, things like that, right,
because I'm married, you know. But what I found is
I might start watching it, but I don't complete it.
I end up putting it down. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (08:44):
You put do you complete yourself?
Speaker 1 (08:46):
I complete myself. But what happens is I end up
And I'm not making this up. I'm not saying this.
My wife does not listen to this podcast. I end
up just thinking about her. You know. That's just the
way it is.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
That's how that's how should be. That's a healthy marriage,
right there?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Is that what that is?
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Okay, I should be your only source of sexual pleasure.
Speaker 2 (09:06):
Yeah, okay, like that is healthy.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
Yeah. Yeah. Once you start thinking about other people, then
it's whatever. All right, enough of us, Yeah, and here
let's get some talkbacks.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
So I'm listening to the after show, and you guys
were just like talking about winnies, you know, lesbian time.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
And it was fun.
Speaker 4 (09:24):
It wasn't fun, it was fun, but it wasn't good,
but it was good. But it wasn't good.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It was just a thing.
Speaker 4 (09:31):
And then you were like, yes, so leave us a talkback. Well,
I'm leaving you a talkback. I want that tea. I'm
rooting for you either way. I don't care which way.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
But what happened, Yeah, I die for it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Well, you know her and I broke up last year
and we're no longer together, and that's what happened.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
You were just gay for the stay I we.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Talked, rather she pursued me.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
I was.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
You know, I'm a strong as I am all for
you know, I think you can love whoever you want. Like,
I definitely support the LGBTQ. I A, I just don't
identify as that. If anything, maybe you could have called
me pan sexual for the time being, I guess. But
like when I tell you, I don't look at girls
like that, Like I'm being honest.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Like, Okay, do you think that the decision to go
down that road and start dating a girl was had
anything to do with maybe some bad luck or bad
experiences that you had with men.
Speaker 3 (10:34):
Yeah, And I hate to be that person because I
like a lot of girls end up doing that at
the time that she came into my life. I hadn't
had a relationship like an actual, you know, boyfriend in
hears and I was just living life and I had
some situationships, I had guys I hooked up with, but
nothing I was I had not had a meaningful connection
(10:54):
with somebody in four or five years, probably, so I
think that I was kind of longing for that, and
I think she she came in the right time where
I was like everything in my life was like settled,
like I had my own place, I had, like the
career I wanted. I had good friends and good family,
and I just kind of wanted like someone to share
that with. So when she came around, I was like, oh,
(11:16):
I don't think I'm not into girls, but like she's cool,
so like I won't be mean to her because I
felt like she was clearly attracted to me and was
interested in me romantically, and I didn't want to be
like mean. And then it ended up being like she
niced her way into my life, like just treating me
nicely and taking me out and whatever, and then I
started getting feelings for her because she was an attractive person,
(11:39):
like physically.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
Like she's not ugly, beautiful girl.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
So I just it wasn't you know, I think sexuaty
can be fluid, like it's you know what I mean,
Like it's not necessarily like, oh, you can't have any
type of sexual feelings towards someone that's not your typical type.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
But but yeah, so that's you know, we did not
work out.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
I did say I will not be speaking about it,
mostly because I now have a boyfriend, So I just
don't think it's respectful to talk about my past relationship
with somebody when like him and I are and we
have a great relationship. So I don't really see a
point to like bring up my shitty past. But yeah, well,
I mean you could probably guess what happened use your imagination.
(12:19):
You know, we were together, she wasn't doing the right things,
the right thing.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
She wasn't a healthy relationship.
Speaker 2 (12:28):
It was not a healthy relationship.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
But actually just talking.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
But that's what I'll say about her.
Speaker 3 (12:33):
She was very nice to me, but we did not
have a healthy relationship, which I think was like a
mind fuck for me because I never had somebody just
she was. She treated me nicely and I don't want
to like disparage her name, like she was shitty to
me and she was mean, like she was sweet, she
was nice. She outwardly was like you saw how she
was with me, like loving. She spent like I don't
say money, but she took care of me in like
(12:53):
different ways. But when it came to the important parts,
she missed the mark.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
Yeah, so you know what, you had to go through
a frog to get to your prints.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
She was a bridge. She was a bridge to him.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
She really was because I because of her, I feel
like I found him because like he is the type
of guy that I was not dating, not because I
just hadn't met somebody like him, And I think she
kind of like bridged me into way where I could
never go back to the guys I was dating before her,
because she kind of like up the game a little bit,
which is really sad since whatever, But so now that
(13:28):
I had somewhat of a relationship that I was liking
how it was going, that I was okay, the next
person has to be had those qualities and then plus
the things that she didn't provide. So and I feel
like that's literally what I have with him.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
So when will we see see him? Maybe on social
media and not just his fingernail.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Okay, I think this goes back to the trauma from her.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Where I just I pos after I started, you know,
I kind of saft launched her and I just started
posting her. I was like, fuck it, like whatever, she
can be wherever I am. It's fine, Like it's not
a secret.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I just it's just me. It's not him, Like we
have pictures together, like we go out every day, like
all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
I have plenty of stuff on my phone of him,
Like I'm just kind of nurturing our relationship and just
making sure that it's like solid, which it is. Like
I have nothing bad to say about him, I have
no red flags.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
Hard hitting question coming your way in coming, Yeah, is
there any hesitation to post him because of her? What
do you mean like your previous girlfriend? Like you mean
like like maybe she'll see it and then we reach
out to you.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
Oh, I don't care about that because I have a
close friend story, which I think I don't know if
you're on or not, And she was in my close
friend story and I was. I posted him when we
were in Dallas on my close friends like his face.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
She saw that, but then I blocked her afterwards.
Speaker 1 (14:48):
There we go Petty, the Queen of Petty. That's what
you're talking about right there, the Queen of Petty.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Wow, morning.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
I was just wondering if Justin has consecut writing a book,
I'd love to be the day.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
I mean, it would be cool.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But you have a podcast.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
I have a podcast, an audiobook like like we could
do we could do a whole episode just like about you.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
I actually have a question about that about when it
comes to writing a book. Okay, do I have to
change the names of all the people if they're dead? Now? Okay,
what about lawsuits?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
From who?
Speaker 1 (15:27):
From the people that I mentioned that? Maybe I'm not
going to be in the best light.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
I say, if they're dead.
Speaker 1 (15:32):
If they're dead, I can oh, if they're alive, I
can't do I change the names?
Speaker 2 (15:39):
Why not?
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I don't know. That's a legitimate question.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Un Let you ask them first, right, like, Okay, give
me an example.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm just thinking, like, you know one kid that I
spent a lot of time with when I was a teenager.
We don't talk anymore, but he's still alive, still alive?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is he clean now?
Speaker 1 (15:56):
No?
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Okay, so he's deafer for a book?
Speaker 1 (15:59):
We did well, we did a lot a lot of
shit together, like a lot of dirt together.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
Oh and then I wouldn't say if he well is
the statute limitations up.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
I'm not worried so much about that. I'm worried about
you know, him or whoever being painted in a bad light. Okay,
there's no way to avoid that.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Okay, Then I would say, then I'm going back. I'm
going to stand by. If they're dead, you can say
the real name. If they're no longer, if they're in
the flesh.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Change their names. So that's gonna be a that would
be a whole thing.
Speaker 2 (16:24):
If his names, if his names.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
Say his names, say his name is Dave, Calm, Dan, Okay,
his name's not but Dave. By the way, I'll tell
you also, like you.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Know what I mean, it's if it's Tyler Calm, Kyle, Kyle,
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I just don't know, you know, to be if I
if I'm going to be truly honest in telling the
stories and telling like the path that I went down.
There's a lot of things that I don't share on
this podcast on the air that are just downright awful.
And it's like, do I write about that stuff? I
don't know. I mean, I was in the depths of
(17:02):
drug addiction, so it's kind of a tough thing.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Are you well, Okay, you share so much of it.
Are you embarrassed about the stuff that you haven't shared yet? Probably,
like you would have shared it by now if it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (17:12):
Yeah, well, I send the funny stuff usually. I mean,
I say the funny stuff that's funny to look back an.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
You've talked about, like being sleeping on the streets and
throbbing people and fucking girls.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Okay, you're nasty.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Day you haven't showered in a month. That's kind of funny,
but that's fucking nasty.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
It's kind of funny. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
I mean, I feel like you've told so much of
your story, Like, do you feel like you've left parts out?
Speaker 1 (17:39):
I definitely have left parts out, like.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Really interesting juicy parts, like tea.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Some of it.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Yeah, like what's more interesting? What really happened between me
and my ex girlfriend? Or you're your ship on the
street yet?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Oh your girlfriend for sure?
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Okay, then go ahead and tell the story. You should
tell you a story.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
No, I have to really think about it. But how
do you go about writing a book? Like?
Speaker 2 (18:03):
What do you I mean, ask Ben Mezrek next time
he's in.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, you just start with drafts and then you organize
your thoughts, right, So I mean for you it should
be relatively easy in parallel, like the order start from.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Yes, yes, because it is a story if when I
think back about it is a.
Speaker 3 (18:23):
Story childhood because your parents are lovely, but there was
some missteps in parenting.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
Definitely were definitely were you know, well, did I ever
tell you the story? I actually I thought about this
when I was thinking about the book, I ever tell
the story about McLain Hospital. When I was like my
first program.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
I think, I think, Alex, your brother, wasn't he did
he write your letter or something like that?
Speaker 1 (18:42):
No? No, no, that that was dead. That was in jail. Okay,
But this is my first program. I was thirteen years old.
They put me in McLain hospital. It was an adolescent unit,
and so I'm in there with kids that are from
thirteen to eighteen, and I was on the younger end,
so they were like seventeen and eighteen year olds there.
And that was really my introduction to like this whole
other world of like fucked up kids, you know. And
(19:04):
so they had dude, this will blow your mind. I
never told you about the bus. They tell you about this. Okay.
When I think back about this, I'm like, this has
got to be banned for real. So there was a
kid there that had been in the program before. He
was probably seventeen and either Grateful Dead you know who
they are, Yeah, okay.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
I had one of their concerts. I don't know that.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah. Yeah, So people travel with the band, Okay, So
this kid was in the program when he was fourteen
or fifteen. He ended up leaving and he was traveling
with the Grateful Dead with his best friend, and they
were in a city somewhere in the Midwest or whatever.
What happened is you would hitchhike or you would just
grab a ride with people that were traveling too. So
they were obviously messed up on drugs, probably psychedelics, and
(19:44):
so they left one show. They got out and they
were trying to find a ride. They found a van
of people that were leaving. They asked, and they said,
we only have room for one. And so the kid
said to his friend, just go, I'll find another ride
and catch up. So his friend went with these strangers,
and what happened on the way there is they were
shooting hero and he had never done that, and they
asked if he wanted to try it, and he said okay,
And so they shot him up on the highway and
(20:05):
he overdosed and they pulled over on the side of
the road and kicked him out on the side of
the road and he died and they left him to die. Yeah,
so it was a very traumatic event. So we used
to have this group therapy session with this doctor that
would come in and we'd each every week we'd have
to do a different like fucking therapy session. So this
week it was this kid. So we show up to
this crew and the doctor explains to us that we
(20:27):
have to re enact Okay, the van. Yes, dude, I
was the bus driver.
Speaker 2 (20:33):
Okay, who was the guy who was who was the
guy that overdosed?
Speaker 1 (20:36):
So another kid was the kid. Yeah, so basically it
was how the van was set up. Here, the kid
explained it. I was with the chairs were set up
like a bus, right, Yeah, I was in the front
and uh. And then there was one of the kids
that were in the program was the kid that died.
And when he he pretended to like go to sleep
like he was dying.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
What do you mean the guy that was in the
program died?
Speaker 1 (20:56):
What did I say?
Speaker 2 (20:56):
But one of the kids that was in your program.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Was the kid that died was playing him. Okay, okay, yeah,
he was playing the kid who died. So he was
sitting there and they said, okay, now go to sleep
as if you are dying. And when he did, the
kid who's you know that was in the program was
sitting right next to him, and he got a chance
to say goodbye, and he started fucking saying goodbye to
his best friend, weeping and screaming and sorry, dude, I
(21:20):
was thirteen years old. I get chills thinking about it, like,
how the fuck did that happen?
Speaker 2 (21:25):
And it still didn't stop you from doing Heroin?
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Oh no, okay, no, it's okay.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
And that didn't scare your streets who you are doing
from the fucking beginning.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
Not much, not much help me. But I think about
stories like that, and I'm like Heroin yet Oh no,
I didn't do Heroin until I was like sixteen or seventeen.
Speaker 2 (21:41):
Excuse the fuck out of me.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Wow, I'm like, I'm a good kid.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I didn't until I was sixteen.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Well, I was doing pills percocets and on the street
you could just buy them. Yeah, And then I said,
never do heroin. But then what happened is the pills
went up to eighty dollars a pill for an oc
eighty and I couldn't afford it.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
How much is heroin cheap?
Speaker 1 (22:03):
Cheap? Ten dollars for a little bag. You can get
a bundle which is ten bags. And so then I
started that and then it was like, I'll never shoot heroin.
That's like that's sorting heroin. I was snorting it. Yeah, yeah,
And then I said, and then I developed a habit.
This is the same cycle that everyone has. You develop
a habit where you're snipping it every day and not
getting high, You're just feeling normal and not being sick.
(22:24):
And then there comes a day where the kids like, dude,
just shoot it, and then you do that. You never
do anything again. You shoot you No, I know, girl,
I never did that.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
Okay, no, that's that was your line.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I wouldn't do that. I don't care because there's there's
many other veins that I could inject into them.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
But it's just.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Crazy because like so much time and you're like a
walking example that you do get better because I used
to think like Heroin was a death sentence.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Sometimes it is a.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Lot of the time, it is right.
Speaker 3 (22:56):
You don't see the other side of someone like you,
that you put all this shit in your ba you
and throw all this stuff and you're a.
Speaker 2 (23:01):
Normal guy, that he's a dad and has.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
A job, and yeah, well I did a lot of
work on myself.
Speaker 2 (23:06):
You did.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
But I'm saying like you are, that there is another
side to like, you know, people can't get better Whennie.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
I'm not putting you in my book. Okay, you can
try to fucking you can try to suck up as
much as possible.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
Happy to say, I did not know you during that
time you're life.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Oh you didn't want to know me?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I mean sometimes now I don't want to know you.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Right, all right, everyone else, make sure you leaves at
talk Back. We'll try to get to them every single
after show. You can just tap the red microphone or
whatever color it is. Is it white or red? I
think it's red.
Speaker 2 (23:37):
Is it red? It is red?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Right?
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I never use them.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I never use it. Yeah. Anyway, when you're listening to
the podcast only on the iHeartRadio apps, you got to
listen on the iHeart app. Just tap the red microphone.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
The microphone itself is white, but the little circle is red.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Just tap the fucking microphone and record your.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Mess you want to, if you want to be specific.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Yeah, and you can talk back to us and we'll
have a discussion. So anyway, I have a great toy.
Enjoy the wind.
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