COAST to COAST or GHOST to GHOST Part A

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Broadcasting live across the world right now. This is the
John Jay and Rich radio program.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Welcome to Coast to Coast to a m I'm your host,
Rich Paras, sitting in for George Dory.

Speaker 3 (00:39):
Tonight.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
You and I Tonight we go deep into the fog,
and you're gonna be so happy because there will be
no politics tonight. In fact, I don't think there's gonna
be any like ultra right wing left wing people talking
about ghosts. Tonight. We're just talking about ghosts. So here
we are, two weeks in front of the big election.
I know that's on a lot of people's mind. I
see that thirty five million people have voted already. Amazing,

(01:06):
But we are talking about ghosts. Okay, here's the menu
for tonight. So I would love it if you can
stay with me for the whole thing, because we're gonna
get scared together. And if you have a ghost encounter,
I want to hear from you. I want to hear
about what that's like. In fact, I was just talking
to somebody in the hall, my friend Chris. So I
do a morning show in my regular life, John Jay
and Rich check us out on Nighthart Radio and walking

(01:30):
down the Hall, Chris says to me, She's like, I'm
glad you're doing Coast to coast. She said, I just
sold my parents' house that I grew up in and
it comes with a ghost, a ghost named Charlie. So
I was gonna tell me about it, and she breaks
down that it wasn't really an unfriendly ghost, but even
the realtor picked up on the fact that her parents'
old house had a ghost, and a ghost didn't seem

(01:50):
too unhappy that or didn't seem happy that people weren't
living there anymore, like wanted some people to buy it
and move in so the ghosts can hang out with people.
I don't know a whole lot about that. We're to
talk to an expert. Her name is Rebecca Pittman. She's
written I think ten books now about hauntings, and one
in particular that I am very interested in is it
is Very Near and dear to my heart in my

(02:11):
hometown of Saint Louis. We were talking about the mansion,
not only the most haunted place in Missouri, but probably
the entire United States, the family, the stories. I will
talk to Rebecca about what I've experienced walking in that mansion.
I'm gonna ask her about Lizzie Borden. We're going to
talk about the Stanley Hotel. So that's the first part

(02:31):
of the show. Second part of the show, we're to
talk to Chris Alexander, who is an expert in all
things horror movies from the very beginning, from well, maybe
the first one was Dracula, how like that movie almost
didn't get released in how it had all kinds of
weird sort of stuff it And then we're going to
get into the bad luck of making a movie that

(02:54):
has devil things in it. We're talking Rosemary's Baby, the Exorcist,
the Exercist of Emily Rose, all the terrible things that
happened to people once they make those movies. It is
a strange curse. It is real. It is crazy. But
I want to get into the meat of our first
guest right away. So we're going to take a quick
break and we're going to come back with Rebecca Pittman

(03:15):
and we're going to talk the Haunting of America, and
we're going to get into this Limp mansion in Saint Louis.
I think, if I'm not mistaken, five deaths by shotgun
and maybe four or five suicides in the same house
something like that. We'll get into it. It is crazy
and I've been in there. If it's not haunted, it
ought to be because it's creepy. That is coming up
next on Coast to Coast dam.

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Speaker 2 (05:55):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast, Am. I'm your host tonight,
Rich Bara In. Rebecca Pittman is our gues. She's best
known for her books on paranormal history, including a book
on the Saint Louis Limp Mansion. I grew up almost
steps from there. It's thought to be one of the
most bizarre stories in history. The Saga is one of
America's wealthiest families and one of the leading beer barons

(06:18):
in the gillad Age. So they were up against like
the Budweisers in the Limps. They were all part of
that blocks away from each other. This is stranger than
any fiction you've ever seen. And she's gonna let us
take a little peek into the keyhole of the Lamp Mansion,
and I want to hear the secrets behind one of
the most haunted houses, maybe in the entire world. What

(06:39):
a pleasure to have you on. Welcome to Coast to
Coast for Becca. Nice to meet you.

Speaker 8 (06:44):
Thank you, Rich. It's nice to meet.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Too, So tell me how somebody like you first gets
involved in I know you've written several books, but how
do you get involved in hauntings? Historical hauntings.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
It's forty five minutes from the Stanley Hotel.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Oh yeah, Colorado, and I would.

Speaker 8 (07:05):
Go up there a couple of times a month, and
I couldn't believe no one had written a comprehensive book
about it. So I got the owner's permission and I
wrote the book. And when it came out, someone said, hey,
have you heard of the Myrtles plantation? And then my
sister lived in Saint Louis and she said, Beck, you
got to write about the Limp Mansion. And it's then

(07:27):
it was lousy Borden's Salem Witch Trials, Palace of Versailles.
It just kept going, Okay, can.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
We can we jump into all of those a little
bit out of order tonight? Can we can we get
some juice on all those. Let's let's go through the
whole menu of what you've researched tonight.

Speaker 8 (07:41):
If you don't mind, Oh my gosh, you are a
brave man. It started with the Stanley Hotel. Yeah, and
as we all know that, it inspired Stephen King to
write his Blockbuster The Shining. I stayed there for a
week while I researched the book, and I'm gonna be honest,

(08:04):
it was my first book about paranormal and I was
a little skeptical, but it didn't take long for that
to go away. I was walking down the hallway on
the fourth floor when a huge blast of pipe tobacco
smoke came out of nowhere and hit myself and six
people that were with me, and we all stopped talking

(08:27):
at the same time. It was so strong that you
almost gagged. And there was nobody there, and this was
really late at night. This was also November, and once
that Shining Halloween Ball is over for Halloween, it's pretty
vacated there. It's there's not a lot of people.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
So I've been there for that Halloween ball at the Stanley.
I've been there.

Speaker 8 (08:51):
That's awesome.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's it's wild in the night that so I was
telling the audience. I do a morning show John Jay
and Rich. I'm across part of the parts of the
Cunt if you ever want to check us out, but
we have one of our stations is in Calara Springs
and Fort Collins. So I was driving the rental car
to that hotel that night and our plane landed and
it was a dark, in stormy night as you can imagine,

(09:14):
which adds to the mystery of that hotel. But there's
some places that you walk into and I want to
ask you about this too. You know that they used
it for the shining, but doesn't it feel different when
you walk in? And my question, I guess would be
how much of that is the power of influence and

(09:35):
how much is that is it's just different in there?

Speaker 8 (09:38):
What do you think, Well, it's such an incredible hotel.
I mean, it was built in nineteen oh nine, so
it has all of this history and you feel like
you've stepped back into history or into time. There's a
Stanley Steamer motor car sitting right there in the lobby
because Fo Stanley, who invented the car, built the hotel.

(10:02):
That's why it's called the Stanley Hotel. So yeah, it's atmospheric,
but no, there's something there that's tangible and you feel it.
You feel like, not necessarily that something's watching you, but
that something can happen at any minute, and it normally does.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Did you walk through that tunnel, the basement.

Speaker 8 (10:23):
Tunnel, walk through the tunnel that is very very creepy.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
It is, isn't it. So that's what I want to say.
This is the same thing about the Limp Mansion too,
because there's tunnels below the LMP Mansion that went back
and forth to the brewery, and I know that in
recent times they've turned those into a haunted house. But
for me, that's just kind of a no go. There's
something that isn't right. It seems like it's like on
the borderline of sinister when you walk through those things,

(10:48):
where it's like, why am I down here? I don't
even I don't even like ghost stuff. And yet I've
been to the Stanley and the Lamp mentioned and maybe
I'll even do the Winchester House. Have you done anything
about that yet?

Speaker 8 (10:59):
I have been there a couple of times, and I
I'm actually in negotiations to possibly write a book about it.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
You would be perfect for that. That's kind of right
up your ally.

Speaker 8 (11:08):
But let's go back to your sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (11:11):
Let's go back to the Stanley Hotel. So, now, do
you feel like you have any medium or powers like
that where you can sniff out the ghost? Are you
just it's so palpable in there that anybody without any
experience can feel it.

Speaker 8 (11:27):
Well, I've had something happen to me at all of
the places that I've written about, and I always spend
the nights there and I'm usually alone, which I don't
know what's wrong with me, but there's something that always happens.
And I think it's because I'm very compassionate, I'm very sentimental,

(11:47):
and I don't know if they pick up on that vibe.
It's almost like I'm patting the couch and sand come
tell me what happened to you. So I don't know
if they're picking up on that. But there I do
have a lot of things happened to me wherever I go.
But I don't think I'm psychic.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
So let me ask you this. When we talk about
ghosts in a hotel. Now, when we get to the mansion,
which we're going to dig in deep in here in
a few minutes, that makes sense. So much tragedy happened, really,
even in some of the same rooms of that house
that you can feel like there must have been a
soul explosion at that point where there's an imprint left

(12:25):
on there and you could see where maybe maybe souls
that don't know how to move on, could be trapped
in there. But a hotel is a very transient place
where I wouldn't think to go back to. You know,
a clarion that I stayed in Pittsburgh if I died
as a ghost. What makes the Stanley a place where

(12:47):
where ghosts hang out? Or maybe it's the owners who's
who are the ghosts?

Speaker 9 (12:51):
Well?

Speaker 8 (12:52):
What we do believe that Elizabeth Wilson is one of them.
She was a maid in nineteen oh nine when the
hotel opened, and back then they had both gas and
electric for the lighting. They were all on the same
pon do it if you will. And one night she
turned the gas on and someone called her out into

(13:12):
the hallway and she left it running and when she
came back in and lit the match to it, it
blew her through the floor.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 8 (13:20):
And it actually she landed below in the dining room
on someone's table while they were sitting there eating. She
broke both her ankles, and EPO Stanley put her up
and took care of her and made sure that she
had money. But she's the ghost that that's room two
seventeen where Stephen King stayed, and now it's very famous.

(13:43):
The most popular room at the hotel, and she will
make your bed. It said that she'll put things away.
She doesn't like it if the room's messy, lots of
activity in the bathroom that adjoins the room, lights going
on and off. Boss. That's a lot of people have
mentioned feeling like they were being tucked in and.

Speaker 2 (14:08):
They like that. I'm sorry people like that they would
be tucked in by a ghost.

Speaker 8 (14:13):
I wouldn't really like that.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
No, I don't care for that at all. I know
where you're talking about. When I was at the Stanley Hotel.
When we were walking around, they do a little bit
of a guest a guest, you know, a ghost tour
and when you walk around the corner, they say, like
at the top of that stair in the corner where
those stairs are, that you can feel the presence of
her right there. Did you feel that too?

Speaker 10 (14:36):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (14:37):
What I felt the most with the ghost children scary Mary.
Mary Orton was my tour guide and she was their
head tour guide at the time, and the ghost children
were attracted to her. And she had on a sleek
polyester black skirt and she would stop at the top
of the main stairway and you could see them press

(14:59):
their little hand into the skirt. And I'm still being
really skeptical. She knew I was writing a book and
I'm taking notes, and I said, do you mind if
I feel the hymn of your skirt because I was
looking for a wire or anything.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Oh, you're very skeptical, so you signed, and you thought
it was a trick.

Speaker 8 (15:19):
Yeah, But the minute I got near her skirt, it
was freezing cold and there was nothing. It was just
a plain, ordinary skirt, and you could see the entire handprint,
and then it lifted away. And later, when I got
her alone, she said, Matthew wants to play with you.
And I said, who's Matthew And she said he's one

(15:40):
of the little ghost kids. And she had a marble
and I was standing a good fifteen feet away from her.
She made me back up. She goes, Matthew rolled the
marble to Rebecca, and here comes that marble toward me,
and it freaked me out. And I thought, all right,
it's got to be a slant in the or something.
And I said, all right, I want to pick where

(16:03):
we're going to stand, and she goes, okay, So I moved,
and a couple from Texas came around the corner and
they had an EMF reader and they said can we watch?
I said sure, and that whatever rolled that marble to
me again and the guy's EMF reader went off the charts.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why are there ghost children there? What happened? Why are
they there?

Speaker 8 (16:28):
And when the hotel opened in nineteen oh nine, the
children were kept on the fourth floor with the nanny
so that the adults could just have a good time.
So the fourth floor is where people report hearing kids
bouncing balls, laughing, running down the hallway and there's nobody there.
And I believe that's why Stephen King put the two twins,

(16:50):
the little girl saying Danny, come play with us in
the Shining is that's the most reported haunting at the hotel,
or children on the fourth floor.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
If you've ever checked out a hotel, I think, don't
they play The Shining twenty four to seven on their
their close circuit So if you haven't seen it for
a while and it's on just NonStop, you're like, yeah,
that's creepy. I don't know why you brag on that,
but if people want to be tucked in by a ghost,
I guess that makes sense. If you want a good scare,
but it definitely feels that way. I can think of

(17:22):
a few places that I've walked into in my life
where the ghosts aren't necessarily threatening, but you can feel
the sense of history. One of them, for me was
that Sir Francis Drake Hotel in San Francisco. We're checking
in and I just walked into a ballroom and it
hit me so hard. You could almost feel the presence

(17:46):
of whatever dances or political rallies or you know, town meetings,
or you could feel the history of that hotel almost
hit you in the chest, like so much life has
happened here. And I guess maybe if a negative thing
can leave an impact, maybe a positive thing like a
wedding or something like that can leave its imprint on

(18:06):
a room or a space too. Yeah.

Speaker 8 (18:09):
Yes, but I'll tell you this is interesting. I was
watching a documentary last night on the ghosts of Gettysburg
and the guy said something I really liked, because it's
notorious for the amount of ghosts that are spotted on
those poor battlefields. He said that they call it a
death flash, that when someone is dye so quickly and

(18:31):
so traumatically that the energy because our bodies are ninety
nine point nine percent energy in light. We've got enough
energy in us to light up a city. And when
we die that there's an explosion of that energy that
comes out of our body that can be replayed. And
they have found an inordinate amount of quartz underneath that battlefield,

(18:55):
and quarts will play that back in the radio receiver
on transmitter. And I believe what we're talking about here
rich with some I don't know that the happy situations
are recorded as often because there's not that burst of
dying tragically.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
Well maybe there was a murder in that room. I
don't know. It was palpable though the second I walked
in and then I brought my friends, that.

Speaker 8 (19:23):
Are right, didn't go well, yeah, maybe not.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
Because I brought my friends. I'm like, do you guys
feel that or no? So maybe it was just me.

Speaker 8 (19:32):
So that's what's fascinating. Five people can be in the
same room and experience an apparition or a haunting completely differently.
Some person might see the apparition, the other doesn't. Somebody
might smell something the other person standing right next to
them doesn't. And Lloyd Arbach, in my opinion, is one

(19:52):
of the leading experts on paranormal and he told me, Rebecca,
what ghosts do is energy, and it's telepathic. They're imprinting
on your mind what they want you to see. They're
doing it rather than the naked eye. And that's why
sometimes we don't see anything until we see it later
captured on film or tape, because that energy was imprinted

(20:16):
on a device.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And have you done that too?

Speaker 8 (20:19):
You didn't see.

Speaker 2 (20:19):
It When you go to observe these places that you
write books on, do you do you bring the ghostbuster gear?
Do you bring the EMF things?

Speaker 8 (20:26):
Do you don't? I'm very boring, and yet every time
something happens to me, I'm not looking for it. I've
never walked around and said show me a sign. I
have captured EVPs on my recording devices, but I was
recording interviews. I wasn't doing it on purpose.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
Oh so you were just listening to the air, not trying. Yeah, okay,
that's amazing. Well, when we come back, I want to
get into the Limp mansion. There's lots of things I
didn't see in your book that I used to hear
about growing up around there, like figure that people would
see in the window, like in the upper upper story.
But we when I come back, When we come back,

(21:06):
let's tell the story of the family, because this is
like a soap opera like you've never heard before. In fact,
I would say if you were to compare it to something,
you might compare it to that Netflix show The Haunting
of Hill House, where it's like the whole family has
got something going on and it is connected in sad

(21:27):
and tragic, and there's money, and there's betrayal and there's
there's all kinds of stuff in this story. I don't
know how it's not been a movie yet unless it has,
I don't even know about it. But it is simply incredible.
And I've been in the house a few times, and
not for long. Let me tell you that I've been
in the house a few times, not for long. That's
how it affected me. In fact, I will tell you

(21:49):
there was one room in there that I walked in
as we're gonna do a radio show on a Halloween night,
as a matter of fact, and it was just so
cold in there. I'm like, bye, do you feel like
some rooms have a coldness that isn't temperature, But just
as there's a chill in that room because of what
happened in there.

Speaker 8 (22:10):
Oh yeah, well yeah, because usually that temperature drop is
because one of her entity in there has to draw
energy from the room in order to materialize or make
things move or do whatever it's trying to do. So
that's why something usually turns cold. You know something's in there.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
And you've seen that, You've felt that, yes, yeah, and
it's not.

Speaker 8 (22:35):
The cold that you're used to. It feels like it's
going to your bones.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah, it seems like it's inside You're different. Yeah, the
colds inside you. It's not like, oh, it's I need
a jacket. Jacket would not help you. It feels like
it's inside you. And then even then you're like, well,
am I really feeling what I'm feeling or am I
just reacting to the fact that I know that this
place is supposed to be haunted. But my my cousin

(23:01):
when I was a little kid, actually had her wedding
reception at the Lamp Mansion, and I remember walking in
there then and feeling it's just as a kid not
knowing anything about it, that it was off. So we're
gonna get into the tragic story of the Lamp Mansion
when we come back on Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 2 (30:24):
Our guest tonight, Rebecca Pittman. She has written several books
about the most haunted places in America. And before the break,
I told you where to get into the Limp Mansion
in Saint Louis, in the south side of Saint Louis,
kind of around where I grew up. So we all
talked about the Limp Mansion all the time. I mean,
it kind of never really left people's mouths because of

(30:44):
all of the craziness that happened there. So Rebecca, let's
get into it a little bit here. Tell me about
the Limps and why they were special during the middle
eighteen hundreds. I guess is sort of when they started
coming into prominence.

Speaker 8 (31:00):
Started with Johann Adam Lymp He created the Western Brewery
from nothing. He came over from Germany and he was
a brewmaster in Germany and brought with him the special
yeast that he had used there, and he just started
building this brew beering business. And the Germans were really
starting to move into Saint Louis, and what they found

(31:23):
was they liked his lager beer, which was different than
the heavy ales that everybody else was selling. So he
realized he was onto something. He started using the caves
underneath Saint Louis to keep the beer cool because it
goes through different stages of fermentation for a lager beer.
So that's how it started. He was turning out one

(31:45):
hundred thousand barrels of beer a year that was resulting
in one point six million in sales. Now this is
eighteen seventy eight, one point six million in sales. And
when he passed away, his son who he had brought
over when he was twelve, William Lamp took over and

(32:07):
he's where our story begins. But they broke all the records.
They were the first to refrigerate beer. They were the
first to have rail cars deliver it and airplanes deliver it.
And the Bush factory was right behind him. It wasn't
Anheuser Bush yet. And they were actually very good friends

(32:29):
with the Lamp. In fact, Adolphus Bush was a pallbearer
for William Lamp when he died. They were really good friends.
So anyway, William Lamp takes over his father's business. He
marries Julia Freikert and they have nine children, and the
first one was a little boy who died the same day. Unfortunately,

(32:52):
he was born and died on the fourth of July,
and so that was sad. That was in eighteen six
six two. But then they ended up having five sons
and three daughters, and the mansion was full. I mean,
there were only two of those were actually born in

(33:12):
the mansion, and that was Edlin and Elsa.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
And when was that mansion built? Around what time?

Speaker 8 (33:18):
About eighteen sixty five sixty eight, okay, somewhere, I think
it was eighteen sixty eight.

Speaker 2 (33:24):
So I guess the first tragedy is the death of
that first son the day they were born. And then
that's certainly not the end of the tragedies.

Speaker 8 (33:32):
No, and this is where it gets said. By now
the brewery is booming, and it is kitty corner across
the street from the mansion. It ends up covering eleven
city blocks. That's how big it is. And it's still
there today.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
Yep, you can drive right down.

Speaker 8 (33:51):
Yeah, it's huge. And the lamps actually had a staircase
that went from the basement underground through the caves where
they could walk through those tunnels in the caves to
go to the brewery without ever having to even be
up on the street.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
And why was that important to them? Why not just
walk down the street to the brewery. Why a secret tunnel?

Speaker 8 (34:14):
It's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
Well, it is cool, but is there a reason like that.
They couldn't be seen out on the street for any reason.

Speaker 19 (34:22):
No.

Speaker 8 (34:23):
No, And when the refrigeration came in and they no
longer needed the caves to keep the beer cool, they
turned it into their playground. They had a swimming pool
down there, a theater, a ballroom. It was quite something.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
So they were living the life.

Speaker 8 (34:41):
Yeah. Edwin Limp would entertain and he loved the cook
and he called them the groalleries, where if you got
invited to one of his dinner parties. It was the
biggest ticket in town, and he would hold those underneath
in the cave.

Speaker 2 (34:56):
But okay, so wait before we get to it. Before
we get to Rebecca, we're going to take a quick break.
But I want to just sort of set the scene
of the opulence, which you did a really good job.
Now we got to take a quick break, and when
we come back, we're going to get into the tragedies
in the haunting of what might be one of the
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Speaker 2 (37:41):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast. I'm your host, Rich Barrel.
Our guests Rebecca Pittman, who has written a book on
the Limp Mansion that we were talking about in Saint Louis,
built around eighteen eighty, a big brewery family that was
sort of the first to really pioneer making beer and
distributing it all over the world. They had money, They

(38:01):
had a mansion, the Limp Mansion. Were talking specifically about
the Limp family in the Limp Mansion and what was
the first tragedy to occur in the Limp Mansion. What
precipitated that?

Speaker 8 (38:13):
Rebecca, Well, the first one obviously, the first one was
the little baby that was still born. But so, yeah,
they were incredibly wealthy. This is the Gilded Age. They
lived on mansion Row, and so they were out of
the sons, Frederick Limp was the one being groomed to

(38:33):
take over from his father William. Now they're keep in
mind there were five boys and three girls. He had
three older brothers, but they didn't have the love for
the beer brewering that Frederick did. And he was named
after Captain Frederick Pabst, who happened to be his William's
best friend, the patriarch William lamp So he was named

(38:58):
after Frederick Pabst. And this was the whole deal. He
was going to take it over. Well, he was married,
and he was in California. He'd been studying everything, he'd
taken all these courses, all these notes on how to
do the German lager beer, and he got sick. And
I mean, you have to understand, this was the golden boy.

(39:19):
He was going to take it all over. And so
William and Julia, the parents rushed over to California, and
he seemed to rally and they felt better. They came
back to Saint Louis and went all right, everything's all right.
Two days later he relapsed and died, and William, William

(39:40):
Limp just spiraled out of control. I mean, he went
into this huge depression. He would walk the sidewalks where
he used to join in with the men at the
brewery and help with the hops and joke. And now
he stayed in his office and just flipped cards with
his fingernails, or he'd jingle money in his pocket, and

(40:02):
he was a nervous wreck. And then two years later
his best friend, Captain Frederick Papp, suddenly died and it
was like his entire world caved in on him. There
were also some other things I found during my research
that they were after him about some kind of a
scandal resulting in four hundred thousand dollars loss. A policeman

(40:26):
had been to the door, so it all came in
on him. And it was the day before Valentine's Day.
He'd sent everyone had breakfast. The two sons, Billy and Lewis,
went on over to the brewery they worked with their dad.
His wife Julia went off to do some shopping at

(40:46):
the department store, and William went into his bedroom, sat
down on the bed and shot himself through the head.
And that was the day before Valentine's Day, nineteen oh four.
Now here's the really weird thing. Rich When I was
doing the research and I got the corner's report. I
got chills because in the report, and I'd never heard

(41:09):
this anywhere, there were two gunshots, two bullet holes found
in the wardrobe next to his bed, And I thought,
who takes three shots to shoot themselves in the head?
And I thought was his hand shaking and he missed
twice or what? But I thought that was really odd.

(41:33):
But they got hold of his two sons. They came
running in, broke the door down, and he lasted forty
five minutes before he died.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
So are you saying that he didn't Maybe he didn't
kill himself.

Speaker 8 (41:48):
There are rumors there are people who wonder because of
the number of suiciders in the house, there were three
of the limp airs. That is, some people deorize that.
I don't know if I believe that.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
But and then the kind of the madness kind of
keeps going through the family, right the is it? Do
you think it was depression and we just didn't know
what to call it back then.

Speaker 8 (42:13):
I think there was some melancholy in that family.

Speaker 5 (42:16):
I do.

Speaker 8 (42:16):
I've been asked that a lot, and I do. So
he commits suicide and then two years later his wife dies.
So now they're gone, and at that time their youngest daughter,
who was the only girl that wasn't married yet. Of
the daughters became the richest single woman in Saint Louis,

(42:37):
and the others were married except for Edlin and Charles.
They never married the two of the sons. So anyway,
we move ahead and Elsa, the richest single woman, marries
Thomas Wright, and things don't go well in the marriage
and she loses a daughter that dies. They divorce, but

(43:01):
he follows her and begs her to give it another
shot pardon the phrase, and he talks her into coming
back from New York back to Saint Louis. She buys
a mansion for them, which is ten minutes from Limp Mansion,
and one morning she's found shot in the chest. And
that one I do believe was not a suicide. He

(43:23):
tried to make it look like one, her husband, but
he waited twenty five minutes to call for help and
she was still alive. And then with the inquest, you
see a maid that said she did hear the shot
change her story to say she didn't. This the else's
husband rather than calling the police, he didn't. He lawyered

(43:46):
up immediately before he even called the doctor, and the
doctor got there forty five minutes later, and she breathed
her last right when he came in the door. And
because her father had shot himself, they said, well, it
must run in the family, this must be a suicide.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
And I feel like that that sort of thing kind
of echoed through Saint Louis history for a long time,
that it was the family history of as you say, melancholy,
that kind of did the family end. But it sounds
like there's all kinds of outside potential that maybe that's
not that.

Speaker 8 (44:24):
Well, it's yeah, I mean, it is odd though for
people although back then everybody was carrying guns. When prohibition hit,
so many of the brewing barons killed themselves, and because
so many were German, they actually called it the Deutsch
Act because these guys were all shooting themselves because they

(44:46):
thought their lives were over with prohibition. And I don't know,
but so anyway, in the meantime, Billy Lamp who reluctantly
has now taken the reins of this giant brewery and
prohibition hits, and he has no idea what to do
with this. He is trying desperately to save this legacy

(45:11):
that you know, his grandfather built, and they try everything
they can non alcoholic beer. Other of the breweries were
making candy. They were doing anything they could to stay afloat,
and he couldn't do it. He couldn't save it, and
they started selling it off for pennies on the dollar,
and he could not get out of this depression that

(45:35):
he had lost his family's heritage. And by then they
had turned Limp Mansion into the offices for the brewery.
So this was his family home, but it's now the
offices for everybody working for the brewery. So his sister's dead,
she's killed herself. So he comes to work a couple

(45:58):
of days after Christmas. He's going to take his second
wife on a big cruise, and but he can't get
out of this depression. People would say he couldn't get warm.
He would go stand by the radiator and he was
really struggling. And the secretary that had been with him
from the beginning came in and he goes, well, I

(46:18):
think you're looking better today, and Billy said, I'm glad
you think. So Billy sends the female secretary to go
get blueprints out of the basement and on her way
down the stairs. She hears this loud bang, and because
they're doing remodeling in the basement, she thought someone had
hit a pipe or dropped something. But one of the

(46:41):
young men there recognized it as a gunshot. And he
came running to the front parlor and couldn't see anything
for a minute, and then saw his feet sticking out
from under the desk. And he had turned a big
chair around so that anyone looking in through the door
or wouldn't seem sat in a chair and shot himself

(47:04):
in the heart. Oh, and died.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
And we're still not done with this family. Now we
we have the surviving brothers and sisters. So now we've
got what we've got, Edwin, Hilda, Anna, Louis, and Charles,
right correct, Okay, so tell me about Charles, very good rich,
I'm paying attention.

Speaker 8 (47:28):
Yeah, there will be a test. So yeah, So Edwin,
as I mentioned, in fact, he was my favorite of
all of them. He was just the shy, sweet little
Ferdinand the bull kind of guy. He never married. And
so the others are married. And now we're down after Billy.

(47:49):
After they lost the brewery, the house it's empty, and
Charles limp Is is older and not married, and he
decides to move back in.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
And we're past prohibition. Now we're nineteen thirty Where are we?

Speaker 8 (48:06):
Yeah, yeah, we're in. The prohibition ended, which makes it
sad because Billy killed himself for nothing. If he'd hung
in there just a little longer. I think was nineteen
thirty three, wasn't it the prohibition ended?

Speaker 2 (48:20):
I actually I am not sure, but I'll take your
word for it. Let me look it up. Like you
keep talking, a lot.

Speaker 8 (48:25):
Of people couldn't understand why you would move back in
to the home where not only your father killed himself
but your brother. It's like every room you're walking by
has this horrible memory. Even the double parlors had been
used for the funerals, I mean, the casts had been
sitting in there, and yet he moved in there all

(48:47):
by himself, and all he had was an older couple
as caretakers, fixing meals, and they stayed in the carriage
house out behind the mansion. Then this place is huge, huge.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
I was going to say, if you're by yourself too,
not only do you have the all those memories and
all those tragic moments that happened in there, Those hallways
kind of go on a lot, and it's it almost
seems like it's an add on nightmare to me when
you when you walk around there, because there's big rooms,
but then there's rooms upstairs, and there's rooms after those rooms,

(49:19):
and it's like it didn't seem like a cohesive build
all at once. It seemed like it might have been
added on over the years and made it bigger and
bigger and more daunting, almost like what we talk about
with that Winchester mansion. Same thing.

Speaker 8 (49:31):
Yes, well, they also at the back of the house
had three vaults on each of the three floors. They
had a huge vault because they were so wealthy. It
was full of artwork and furs and all of it.
I mean, it looks literally like a bank vault with
big wheels on the door, metal door, and all the

(49:52):
walls were tiled. There were no windows in there, so
it's it is. It's huge. And when it was turned
into the offices for the brewery, they did add some
things on the top floor so there'd be some more
office space. So Charles moves in there and for a
while he's all right, he's incredibly wealthy. And guess who

(50:14):
his best buddy was?

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Who?

Speaker 8 (50:17):
Vincent Price?

Speaker 2 (50:19):
Oh, that's right. He is a Saint Louis guy, the
voice on the end of thriller for people who don't remember, and.

Speaker 8 (50:26):
Besides being the horror master of movies. But yeah, his
family owned the International Candy Company and they were wealthy.
But so he would go with Charles Limp to these
art galleries. They both loved art. And he commented, he said,
I thought I had money till I watched Charles write
out of check for a million dollars for a painting.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
In nineteen thirty and I in the nineteen thirties. One
million dollars in the nineteen thirties, Yeah, amazing.

Speaker 8 (50:57):
Well, yeah, so it's probably closer to nineteen forty, but
you're close enough. Late late thirties, early forties. And so
Vincent would spend the night in the mansion, and he
said he hated Charles five thirty wake up calls. But anyway,

(51:18):
so as the years go on, Charles gets crippling room
a toward arthritis, and he's all alone in this. He's
finally moved into the dining room because he can't even
go up the stairs anything.

Speaker 2 (51:30):
Okay, okay, stop right there, Rebecca. We're up against a heartbreak.
When we come back, we're going to finish the tragic stories,
and we're talking about how haunted this place really is.
When we come back on Coast to Coast, ahem is
John Jane Rich, Our guest Tod is Rebecca Pittman. We
have been talking about the haunting and most haunted places
in America, and I want to get back into the
story that we're talking about. We're talking about the famous

(51:51):
Limp mansion in Saint Louis. We covered the Stanley Hotel,
the side of the Shining, and we're getting into the
Limp family in Saint Louis. Who in the Limp mansion
and Limp beer, which you know, I get it's not
around anymore. But we talked about the father taking his
own life and then allegedly his daughter elsa youngest daughter
that got married, taking her own life, but maybe not.

(52:14):
And then we talked about Billy, the brother who took over,
taking his own life. And now we were talking about
how great Charles Limp was and how much funny was having.
But I assume when you say he got rheumatoid arthritis
and he lived in the mansion alone, something bad's going
to happen to him, too, Rebecca, what happened to him?

Speaker 8 (52:32):
Well? And it really was a dark and stormy night.
By then, the he'd piled mainly, the rooms were full
of just storage, stacked, and he'd moved into the first
floor dining room, which was directly below where his original
bedroom had been on the second floor. But he couldn't
go upstairs anymore, so he tried to recreate what he

(52:55):
had upstairs and had little office off of the off
of the bedroom which is today the atrium. And one
night it was thunder. There was fogs coming in off
the Mississippi. It was just really miserable, and you can
picture this giant mansion who's seen better days, just shaking

(53:16):
with the thunder. And so the next morning the companions
came in. They brought his breakfast and said it in
the atrium. The door to his room was shut, which
was what they usually did when they came back to
pick up the tray. He hadn't touched it, so they
opened the door to look in on him and he
was lying in bed, shot through the head.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Oh my gosh, it's family.

Speaker 8 (53:40):
Yeah, And there was a note that said if I
am found dead, don't blame it on anyone, but me
and he signed it. And the thing that's chilling is
that he shot that his dog first because he didn't
want to leave it alone. I think it was an
older dog, been his companion, and he shot the dog

(54:02):
first and then himself, and he left instructions for the
caretaker on how to bury the dog. Charles was a germaphobe,
and so his request, his final request he left for
his brother Edwin to carry out, was he did not
want to be bathed. He did not want a funeral.

(54:24):
He just wanted to be cremated and buried on the
family farm. A lot of people believe that was Edwin's
cragwalled estate overlooking the Merrimack River, and we don't know.
It's a mystery. He just said the family farm. But
he loved being at Edwin's crag walled estate and sitting

(54:46):
out there on the balcony and over you know, looking
at the river and the wildlife and everything. So that's
what happened, and it was just a really odd request.
So now we're down to poor Edwin and Charles leaves
everything to him, all the artwork, all of the Lent

(55:09):
Brewery records, the blueprints for the for the brewery, all
of the family legacy.

Speaker 2 (55:16):
To Edwin and or are they done after prohibition?

Speaker 8 (55:20):
No, they never went back into it. But this was
literally the family's life work and all of these very
expensive paintings. So Edwin By now is living alone at Cragwalld,
and he's got a couple of male companions because he's
terrified of being alone. And it's probably because of the
family history. And a lot of people speculated or was

(55:42):
it he thought the family had been picked off by
somebody or some people, But anyway, he lived to be
ninety and his final request was to ask the caretaker,
John Bob, who lived on his property, to take all
of the paintings, all of the family heritage, the diaries,

(56:04):
the blueprints, the records, and take them out back and
burn them. And all of this artwork and everything else
went up in flames. He didn't want any of his
family's legacy left. I don't know if he thought they
were cursed. Maybe he just didn't want anything to do
with it.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
I wonder how many millions of dollars worth of art
that was I know.

Speaker 8 (56:29):
But he lived to be ninety. He died in nineteen
seventy and people compared them to the Kennedys. They had everything,
and yet they wondered if they were cursed.

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Wow, Okay, we're going to take a quick break, and
when we come back, I want to talk about your
experience walking through that mansion of what you've called one
of the most haunted places in the world. We're back
with your calls. Please do calls because I want to
hear your personal ghost stories too. If you've ever, you know,
experienced a haunting, lived with a ghost, I want to
hear about all that stuff. And I'm sure Rebecca does too.

(57:04):
We both want to take your calls because you never know,
there may be yet another book in Rebecca about the
place that you grew up in. But we come back
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Speaker 2 (59:21):
Now, welcome back to Coast to Coast Am. I'm your host,
rich Bara. Our guest tonight Rebecca Pittman, who has written
several books. One of them is about the haunting of

(59:41):
the Limp Mansion. She's kind of given us a history
of the family and a lot of what they've gone through.
And now I want to talk about the house itself,
which sounds like it went unoccupied for a long time.
Did any other other family members ever choose to move
in there?

Speaker 16 (59:58):
No.

Speaker 8 (01:00:00):
After Edlin died, it really went into disrepair. It became
a PLoP house. And the Pointer family bought it in
nineteen seventy five and just really put everything in. They
almost gutted it to return it to its former beauty.
All of a lot of the original hardware, doors, mantles,

(01:00:20):
tiles are still there. The bathrooms you can take a
bath in the same marble tub that the lamp shoes,
same showers. It's incredible. The Pointers deserve so much credit.
And today it is a restaurant and in they're renowned
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all the way up to Baked Alaska. The foods to
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They have boozy Bingo, they have Thanksgiving, New Year's Eve,
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haven't been there, you have to be there. And when

(01:01:02):
you sleep there, you're sleeping like the beer Barns did
in these incredible rooms. I mean, it's just gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Yeah, it still feels creepy when you walk in there.
I remember the first so I remember walking in there
to do a radio show before they were kind of
opening it up to you know, staying the night overnight.
In fact, that was our big thing on this Halloween
night circa I want to say nineteen ninety two, ninety three,
maybe maybe before that, maybe it was eighty nine, but
I remember walking in there and I remember thinking, if

(01:01:32):
this place isn't haunted, it should be because it feels weird.
And I remember talking to one of the experts we had,
like a paranormal expert, saying, well, what are we to
see tonight? What are we going to feel? And well,
that's unpredictable. You really don't know. And as I'm following
them upstairs to go into one of these rooms that
was abandoned that we're going to do a broadcast from Rebecca,

(01:01:55):
I'm not kidding, I swear to you, I felt a
hand on my shoulder pushed me out of the room
for a second. Really, yeah, And I did not stay
the night at that lamp mansion. I did not. My
this was is there a high No, it's the it's
the attic room where they said. No. I don't know
if this is true. I heard this when I was

(01:02:16):
a kid, that there was a people would say that
they would walk to school and they would see the
image of a boy in the attic and and did
they They had a nickname for him? Right, do you
do you know about this?

Speaker 8 (01:02:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
Zi, yeah, And that was the room that we walked
in where we had set up to do sort of
like a h let's talk to the ghost thing. And
I did not stay. The rest of the show stayed,
but I was I was a young producer at the time.
I wasn't an air air person, so I didn't want
to have anything to do with it, and I bravely
volunteered to go back and run the show from the studio,
which is what I did all night as I ran

(01:02:50):
the show from the studio. But that that's the room
I'm talking about, that attic room, and at that time,
nobody was spending the night in there. It wasn't it
wasn't made up for that. So tell me about some
of the things that people see at the Left mansion,
what they feel.

Speaker 8 (01:03:04):
Well, that very room you're talking about was the first
room I spent the night in, and by then it
was all furnished up there with beds and everything. And
I was all alone. And when I mean all alone,
there was no one in the entire mansion. The family
comes back in the staff at ten in the morning,
but you're alone at night, and I'm in the attic

(01:03:26):
and I'm in that room and it's I fell asleep
and about midnight I wake up because my bed's rocking
back and forth, and I realized something was kicking the
side of the bed. And my first impression was it
felt like a child because it felt clumsy. It's like
it was a hit or miss, and it felt like
it was very low. And at the time, I hadn't

(01:03:48):
heard about Zeke, about the little boy that they kids
would walk by and see looking down at them from
the attic window, and were still not real clear on
who Zeke was. There's rumors it was Billy Lent's I
legitimate son, but he had Down syndrome, and so the
kid's nicknamed him the monkey boy because of his face.

(01:04:09):
Was that's that's what they saw. But so I'm freaked out.
When it stopped rocking, I jumped and ran into the
bathroom and turned the light on. I didn't see anything.
I finally go back to bed, go back to sleep,
and at five point thirty in the morning, I went
to roll over and realized I couldn't because something was

(01:04:31):
sitting on my feet. Yeah, there's my exactly, and I
didn't I didn't know that yet. I was just researching
the book. It was my first time there, and so
it's still dark in the room and it took all.
I had to reach over and get my cell phone
to turn the light on my feet to see if

(01:04:53):
something and it scared me to death. That scared me
more than anything. I didn't want to see what was
sitting on my feet, and there was.

Speaker 2 (01:05:01):
You could feel something like it. You could feel something
sitting on your feet. You could feel something sitting on
your feet.

Speaker 26 (01:05:07):
So when I turned the.

Speaker 8 (01:05:08):
Phone light on it, there were two distinct impressions of
two little shoeprints right next to my feet that was
pinning me down, and I took a picture of it.

Speaker 2 (01:05:19):
Yeah, that's enough for a book. I'd leave it immediately.
You're fine, you get a book in there. I wouldn't
steady longer.

Speaker 8 (01:05:27):
So the baest night, I'm downstairs in the lavender suite
on the second floor, and the light fixture, which is
the original with a tulip bolts, starts going crazy and
I finally thinking back, grab your phone, get a video
of it. So I said, if it's someone in this room,
stop and it stopped. And my sister, who lived in

(01:05:50):
Saint Louis, had come to spend the night with me
and her son, who was twenty one. He slept on
the couch in the room, and she wasn't happy. I
was talking to the light and I said, if you
died in this room, blink once, and it blinked once,
and you can hear my sister on the video going

(01:06:11):
quit talking to it. So it interacted with me for
several more questions, and then it wouldn't talk to me anymore.
And here's the last one for this particular thing. The
next morning, again five point thirty, I had to leave
on an airplane to go to Myrtle's plantation. So I
was awake and I was, you know, you've run through

(01:06:35):
your mind. I got to get to the airport, I
got to get a rental car. Out in the hallway
and right next to the room I'm sleeping, and is
where William lamped. The father shot himself. It's just pocket doors,
and those doors were open so I could look into
the room where he shot himself. Out in the hallway,
I heard bang, bang, whoop, just really loud, like ice

(01:07:00):
water went through me. And I jerked my head over
to look at my sister, and she's asleep. But my
nephew raised up on his elbow and I said, bo,
did you hear those gunshots? He goes no, but I
heard a dog, a really big one. I said, you did,
and there was There's no way, Rich, there was no dog.
We're up on the second floor. The only other people
there were four women having a that had been celebrating

(01:07:24):
a birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
Okay, I was gonna ask you about something, what the
birthday thing? When we were there, we totally heard a
kid singing happy birthday, and we're like, oh, whose birthday
is it? Like there's no kids up there singing happy birthday?

Speaker 26 (01:07:38):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:07:39):
Yeah. I would meant to tell you about that school,
and I hear that's a pretty common thing at that
Limp mansion, So please continue. Though I didn't mean to
interrupt you, it just it just it struck a chord.

Speaker 8 (01:07:51):
Well, I was still researching the book. I didn't even
know about Charles Limp killing himself yet, and that when
I got to that part heard that he had shot
the dog first and then himself. But it didn't make
sense to me because it was backwards. It was bang bang.
Wouldn't you think you'd hear the dog bark first and

(01:08:12):
then the two shots. I didn't know if it was
the residual loop the house was playing and got it
backwards or if somebody was trying to tell me something.

Speaker 18 (01:08:23):
What to this day.

Speaker 8 (01:08:24):
Of all the scary stuff has happened to me, those
gun shots are the scariest thing I've been part of.

Speaker 2 (01:08:31):
In that that house, I feel like I don't know
why there's not been a movie. I mean that that
blows away the conjuring house. If you ask me, let's
go to the first time callar line. I do want
to get to some calls because a lot of people
have questions for you. Let's talk to Lewis in San Antonio, Texas.
Welcome to Coast to Coast, AM. You're on with Rebecca Pittman.
What's happening Lewis?

Speaker 27 (01:08:52):
Hey, how theyre going?

Speaker 28 (01:08:53):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yes, sir, yeah, I have.

Speaker 27 (01:08:58):
Well it's not a story, but it's it's something that happened.

Speaker 28 (01:09:02):
Well.

Speaker 27 (01:09:02):
I spent the night at the let mansion back in
like twenty twenty two. I guess it's like Airbnb now
or a hotel, a whole place for myself, me and
my buddy. And I am a pernormal investigator. I do
ghost hunting whatever. And while I was up in the

(01:09:24):
second floor, I believe there's a big old empty room
with a piano in it. I was recording video, and
I was talking to my friend. I wasn't, you know,
directly asking questions to you know, any you know, ghosts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:36):
Or spirits in there.

Speaker 27 (01:09:38):
And and I was in that room for a couple
of minutes and and and the next day I didn't
experience anything. But like the next day I watched a
video and my my video picked up let's see a
piano key being played, and then immediately after that, like

(01:09:59):
simultane a child, you hear a child giggle and then
a dog bark. And then after that, a couple of
seconds in the video, I did pick up what is
it an orb? An orb in the video, and as
that orbit gets closer, you hear a voice of a
man speaking, which was not me or my buddy, you

(01:10:23):
know that voice on it, you know, like a very
older gentleman. And then like his voice disappears or like
fades away.

Speaker 2 (01:10:32):
Does he say anything intelligible? Did he say anything that
you could understand?

Speaker 29 (01:10:38):
Uh?

Speaker 27 (01:10:40):
Well, what I picked up from from what he's from
that male voice was Okay, this is what you're gonna
and then that's when it fades away.

Speaker 8 (01:10:49):
Well guess what lewis? That was Charles Limp's bedroom before
he moved down to the dining room. That was his bedroom,
the room with a pian know in it.

Speaker 24 (01:11:01):
Yep, that's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:11:03):
It's got to sink on.

Speaker 27 (01:11:04):
The wall, right, I think, so I want it's right
across from a bathroom. Yeah, on the second.

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
On the second then sink in his room because he
was a germaphobe.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Hey, that's the room. That's the room I walked into
that was super cold. By the way, when I told
you that I went through that house when I was
about eighteen, that's the room I walked into him, like, man,
is it cold in here? And the people showing me
around they're like, yeah, that's this room. That's the same room.

Speaker 26 (01:11:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 27 (01:11:33):
And like right next to you have like two big bedrooms,
and I think I think there's like an open wall
or something like that in between them or something. Yeah,
I don't know that makes sense. Yeah, there's that's where
we spent the night because we didn't have access to
all the rooms. But yeah, and and just a couple
of months ago or like sometimes like earlier this year,

(01:11:55):
you know, I was reading up on the mansion on
you know, on the internet, and I had just found
out that the dog was killed too. I didn't know
that a dog died.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
In the house.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Louis that you hearing a dog bark?

Speaker 3 (01:12:07):
But do you have.

Speaker 27 (01:12:09):
Video a piano key being played, a child giggle, and
then immediately a dog bark that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
Video in the morning, could you send us that video?
I'm sorry, could you send us that video? We'd like
to stick it up on the Coast to Coast website.

Speaker 27 (01:12:25):
Yeah, I don't know how to go about that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Well, we'll help you out with that. Hang on, I
think that'd be really interesting to see. Okay, coming up
next more with Rebecca Pittman, and we want to hear
your ghost stories too, So please get on the line
and call us. We are in the fog deep tonight
on Coast to Coast AM.

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Speaker 2 (01:19:13):
I do have to say, there is something about a
house built in the eighteen hundreds that feels a lot
more haunted that when you go on some you know,
like ghost tours, and it's like a haunted Denny's. Like
I think you know, anything built past like the seventies,
I don't know if it's necessarily haunted enough eighteen hundred.
You got me on that one. Let's bring Rebecca Pittman on,

(01:19:33):
who is a writer. She's written all kinds of incredible
books about the most haunted places in America. And let's
say hello to Ted on the Wildcard Line. And he
is driving a big red truck listening to us in
the middle of the night. Ted, Welcome to Coast to
Coast AM. You're on with Rebecca Pittman.

Speaker 26 (01:19:51):
Driving westn Hey, thanks to pick my call, Rich and
real pleasure. Good morning, Hey, I don't want to snug
Rebecca and I love the brewery talk you did mention
something earlier rich about the Sir Francis Drake Hotel. Now,
my good friend Vance Huckins's father built that building. And
I could call Tom Sweeney, or iconic doorman who's dressed

(01:20:13):
in a Bee theater uniforms. This is very, very famous
in town, but I don't have him on the phone.
So I was hoping you could spend just a brief
minute telling me about what you know about the Sir
Francis Drake Hotel, and I'll take that offline.

Speaker 2 (01:20:31):
Okay, Rebecca, I brought that up. You didn't. I don't
know if you've spent any time there. I haven't, no,
but there is I don't even know when it's built.
I know it's an old hotel. I know that it's
around the early nineteen hundreds in San Francisco too. And
if you did not hear me telling the story, I
was saying that I walked in, wandered into a little
ballroom just kind of east of to the left of

(01:20:53):
where the checkout desk is, and I just felt this presence.
I don't know what happened there. In fact, I don't
even think I asked what happened there, but I assume
it's been around for a long time. But I think
that just goes to there are some places that you
walk in and you can just feel that they aren't
like other places I know where I live here in Arizona.
Jerome has that haunted hotel at the top of this mountain.

(01:21:16):
It's like a town that maybe eight hundred people live
in on the side of a mountain and it's really
hard to drive up there, and there's a hotel that
everybody that stays there says that this thing is old
and it is creepy and it is haunted, and they
hang their hat on that. And same thing with the
Williams is supposed to be very haunted. Lots of haunted hotels.
There all kinds of stuff in Arizona. I think the

(01:21:37):
Old West. What do you think it is about cowboys
and ghosts that kind of attach themselves to the stories
that we like when it comes to Halloween time?

Speaker 8 (01:21:46):
Well, I think it's the same thing. I mean, there's
a lot of violence, a lot of tragedy of the
bird Cage, right, is that Tombstone?

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Oh, tombstone too, Yeah, I forgot Tombstone.

Speaker 8 (01:22:00):
Those places just had an awful lot of sudden death.
I mean, you could be gunned down over a card game,
so I just think it's the same thing. It's the
energy that's captured. Can I ask you a quick favor?

Speaker 2 (01:22:15):
Yes? Please.

Speaker 8 (01:22:16):
When I did my first book signing at Limp Mansion,
three people came in unexpectedly dressed as ghost the Ghostbusters,
and they become good friends of mine. And one of
them is John Felipio and he was with the monster
Truck rally and just had a chain break and an
eight hundred pound tire land on him. Oh no, he's

(01:22:38):
in the hospital with multiple injuries and surgeries. He's listening tonight.
I just want to say John, we love you, and
heal quickly, sweetheart.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
I'm going to say a little prayer for you. I
know a lot of people just say thoughts, but I'm
all about the prayers because they work.

Speaker 8 (01:22:53):
Thank you. Rich.

Speaker 2 (01:22:55):
Yeah, he'll better get better and so you can go
on the road. And I guess he's a fan of
the scary things too, right.

Speaker 8 (01:23:04):
Oh yeah. His family lives in Saint Louis, so they've
become very dear to me. But they have a Ghostbuster's
outfit that were rivals Hollywood. And when they came into
my book signing, everybody went crazy, and so they're very
dear to me, and he's really had a hard time.

Speaker 2 (01:23:21):
We talked. We talked about the Limp mansion, and we
talked about I'm trying to remember some of the things
that I used to hear about when I was a kid,
and we definitely heard about Zeke in the attic upstairs
that I brought up to. And who was lavender lil
with the Limbs.

Speaker 8 (01:23:34):
Lavender lady, So Billy Limps, that was his first wife,
and she dressed always in lavender. Even the livery on
her carriage was in lavender. Well, hey, they had what
they called Saint Louis's biggest scandalous divorce. I mean, it
made headlines. It was horrible. People were lined up down

(01:23:57):
the street for the to watch the proceedings. There was prostitution,
there was all this other stuff that was levied against Billy.
He slept with a gun under his pillow. He kept
the gun by his plate while they were eating dinner,
and it was just this it's still today called the
biggest divorce case in Saint Louis history. And so that's

(01:24:21):
who that was with the lavender lady. It was Billy
Limp's first wife. This book is amazing Billian Handling.

Speaker 2 (01:24:28):
So and we can find your book. I know we'll
link it all up to Coast to Coast AM, but
you can. You can still find your books on Amazon.

Speaker 8 (01:24:35):
Yes, yes, this one's the History and Haunting of Limp
Mansion and it's l e MP Limp Mansion. I'm on
my eighteenth book right now. I'm actually writing about the
Infield Demon House in Connecticut.

Speaker 2 (01:24:51):
I don't know about that. Give me a little bit.
What's that?

Speaker 8 (01:24:54):
Oh gosh, it's built in seventeen seventy one and suicides,
people being pushed down the stairs, of demons that appeared
as dogs, people hanging themselves in the barn. I mean,
over the two hundred years, the twenty five people that

(01:25:15):
on the house, only one died of natural causes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
Oh well list that right away on Zillo. Nobody needs
to be living in that. Okay, let's take a quick
break and we come back. We're going to take your
calls with Rebecca Pittman, who writes about the most haunted
places in America. When we come back to Coast to
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Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
Welcome back to Coast to Coast AM. I'm your host,
Rich Bear Tonight. Our guests is Rebecca Pittman, now written
over eighteen books about the most haunted places in America.
Among the most haunted is the Limp Mansion of Saint Louis.
I grew up just steps from that place and heard
all the stories, walked in there a few times and
is a big note for me. I don't understand how
you can have fried chicken in that place. It is scary.

(01:28:12):
Let's go to the first time color line, David in
Saint Louis. Welcome to Coast to Coast am you were
on with Rebecca Pittman. Welcome to it.

Speaker 28 (01:28:20):
Oh, it's quite an honor.

Speaker 2 (01:28:23):
And for us as well, David, what's going on?

Speaker 15 (01:28:26):
Oh?

Speaker 28 (01:28:26):
When I grew up in this house Saint Louis as well,
and we would go to the Limp Mansion for dinner
and my father was exploring the house and went into
that bathroom on the second floor, which was kind of
odd because the bathtub is in the middle of the room,
and he actually says that there was someone there that

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of course wasn't really there.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
I think a lot of people have experienced that there.

Speaker 8 (01:28:58):
Yeah, actually that bathrooms on the first floor, and it's
the shower that's that was William Limp's private bathroom, and
the shower was imported from Italy and it is right
in the middle of the room. He also had a
barber chair in there, but that today is used as
the ladies bathroom and it gets a lot of scary stuff.

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One of my friends captured a ghost of an old
man that looked crippled over like he had arthritis, standing
on the stained glass window, and we think it might
have been Charles Limbs.

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
Well, David, you said, that's exactly what your father described.
That's right, the same guy.

Speaker 10 (01:29:38):
Uh, an old an older scoop gentleman.

Speaker 2 (01:29:42):
You'd be interesting, Rebecca, is that you said you've got
an image of that? Could we put that up on
the website? At some point?

Speaker 28 (01:29:50):
This was this was before cell phones, no pictures, no.

Speaker 2 (01:29:54):
Rebecca says she has a friend.

Speaker 8 (01:29:56):
Does I'll ask him. It's ken Rothmuller and he lives
he's a paranormal investigator and he's a Limp Mansion all
the time.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
Yeah. I mean, if that's your business, If paranormal investigation
is your business, the Limp Mansion seems like the the
I don't know, the grand central station of paranormal activity.
So you might as well sit up shot there, all right, David,
thanks for calling. Let's talk to Michael thank you, Thank you.
David Michael in Seattle on the west of the Rockies line.

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You're on coast to coast Amy Halloween.

Speaker 29 (01:30:30):
Michael, And my story is really weird. It happened back
in the height of flower power, like sixty seven, I
think it was, and I was eleven years old, and
I didn't tell the call screen or this, but I
kind of attributed to us using the Ouiji board because
we use the Wiji board for a few years just
before this incident.

Speaker 2 (01:30:53):
So anyway, are you there, Yes, we're listening.

Speaker 9 (01:30:55):
Okay.

Speaker 29 (01:30:56):
So I go to bed and I was one of
those kids. I turned the lights off, turned off the radio,
no nothing, just pitch blackness. And I'm still laying in bed,
not asleep yet because I was young. So my head
and neck are the only things sticking out of the blanket,
and not even five minutes being in the darkness, there's

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something breathing on my neck and it's going just as
loud as that, and I was completely still. I didn't eve.
I held my breath even so I couldn't smell the
breath because I was trying to be as still as possible.
So what seemed like an eternity you know, was probably
only two or three minutes. I was just terrified. So

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I finally got the nerve up to reach my arm
off from under my blanket and go to the nightstand
and turn on my lamp and you know, kind of
sit up in bed and nothing. There was nothing there.
And I still remember it. And I'm sixty eight, you know,
Oh wow, And this happened back when I was like eleven.

Speaker 8 (01:32:09):
That's really scary. We'll both stay with you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
Yeah, well, we're glad you're still here.

Speaker 29 (01:32:15):
It was the use of the Ouiji board.

Speaker 2 (01:32:16):
I think, yeah, sounds like it. Don't mess with those.
Don't mess tho, you know. Okay, So I heard the
Back in Time show with Art Bell and so we
brought up a Wigi board. He's like, nope, nope, thanks,
And I've heard Georgia and Nolreay say the same thing
that he will not mess with the Wigi board, nor
will I. I don't care if it's a Parker Brothers thing,
Like why that would be like leaving your front door

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open in the middle of the night every night and
just going, I don't care what comes in, it's fine.
I just don't think that's a good idea.

Speaker 8 (01:32:46):
So there they still sell them in toy story.

Speaker 2 (01:32:49):
I can't either. It's so irresponsible, it seems crazy. Let's
get an expert on the phone, though, along with you
on the East of the Rocky Line, John in Toledo, Ohio,
I believe you are a wicked Yes, and you have
some advice on the ghosts that seem to be all
around us everywhere all the time.

Speaker 5 (01:33:07):
Yes.

Speaker 10 (01:33:08):
Yeah, our loved ones when they pass on, they hang around,
and you can contact them with a pendulum. And I
prefer a pendulum to allegiabar because I never trust the
other person on the plant shed.

Speaker 3 (01:33:24):
But the.

Speaker 10 (01:33:26):
Pendulum works really well. And you could just hang a
washer on a string or anything. And they love to
bat it around. And when I get well, I get
a ghost of somebody I know talking or communicating. I

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got a yes or no system. And also too, they
like to make it go, they make they love to
batter it around, make it spin, and I'll have them
stop and then make it go, you know, clockwise, and
have them stop it and go counterclockwise. And it's so mundane,

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you know, it's just it's just what happens to all
of us when we die. We all become ghosts, and
I assume it's kind of like ask for projection.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
You don't think if somebody had a great life and
they just enjoyed everything, they wouldn't want to hang around.
They just go on to the next level.

Speaker 10 (01:34:25):
I don't think there is the next level. I think
we just have to hang around.

Speaker 2 (01:34:28):
I don't that would be kind of a bummer.

Speaker 10 (01:34:31):
Well, my partner, uh, he hangs around. I communicate with.

Speaker 13 (01:34:36):
Him a lot.

Speaker 10 (01:34:36):
I know it's him because I asked him questions, and uh,
you know, it's kind of like like in the military,
when you know, you ask them those questions about you know,
make sure that they're the not the bad guys. Yes,
no questions. And and so when I go to work
and stuff, I'll leave the TV on with musicals or

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Barber Streissan or Tuck. And he loved that. So but
a'll show too, our loved ones are right with us,
you know, acknowledge them every once in a while.

Speaker 2 (01:35:10):
I think that's that's a good point. I always tell
my kids, like, nothing as simple as me not breathing
anymore as gonna, you know, keep me away from you guys.
Like I'll find some way to make my presence known.
Let's go to the wild Card line and John driving
a truck in the middle of Ohio listening to Coast
to Coast. Am, I hope you didn't scare you too much.
Welcome to Coast to Coast. Hey John, Hey, how you doing.

Speaker 18 (01:35:34):
I'm kind of a veteran. I listened to you guys
quite a bit. So the question I have, Rebecca, and
this is you're talking about Gettysburg and years ago. You know,
we were young guys and we were like, hey, let's
go to Gettysburg. We're here taunted. We're going to get
a room. But anyhow, you take the tour first, and
then you they give you these headphones and you're walking

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with like the tour group and everything. Well, we get
to a certain point and a field and they're explaining
to stuff and in our headphones and three of us.
Two of us heard it, the other guy didn't, but
we could hear moaning and groaning, help, no, no, And
then we heard whistling, like someone whist Dixie. Well, anyhow,

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turn the phones in and we said something to the
guide and she said, where where was that? And back
there I can't remember what fields. Well, there were these
soldiers that were wounded and they would lay there and
there was a Confederate soldier that would pull out his
saber and kill them, and he would whistle Dixie as

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he was doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:36:39):
What freaked us out?

Speaker 18 (01:36:41):
And I wondered if you ever heard anything about this,
because I told her that it was coming through our
headset and she said, no, we've had people that have
been out there to have heard it. But it came
through our headset, and two of us heard it. Well
that needas will say. We said, nah, we're going home,
We're not staying the night here.

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
That was enough.

Speaker 8 (01:36:59):
I've not heard that, but I have no problem believing that.
That's pretty amazing story.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Yeah, I've never heard that either. That's crazy.

Speaker 8 (01:37:09):
What do you think it's not going to get the
headphones next time?

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
What do you think if some of the things they
live in a haunted place? What are some of the
signs that you look for that something might be haunted?

Speaker 8 (01:37:21):
Are you talking to me?

Speaker 2 (01:37:23):
Yes?

Speaker 8 (01:37:24):
Usually it starts out, and it's really funny, they call
them vexations. Usually it starts out with things missing, they'll
move things, or they'll do little things just to throw
you off that. It usually starts to build up disharmony.
In the family, you're blaming the other person, did you
take my scissors again? And I didn't do anything. So

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it's building up this negative energy that they feed on.
Then it moves to scratching, banging, cold spots, that kind
of thing, and so it gradually builds, which is kind
of insidious because if it hit you with the big
stuff first, you'd probably be out of there. So it's

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almost like it's grooming you to get used to the sounds,
and nothing's hurt you yet, so you're still hanging around.
You may be bringing in a priest or trying to
figure out what's wrong. But if you still keep going
with it, especially if the family's energy becomes more and
more negative and you're fighting, then it becomes it can

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become demonic and then you're screwed. So the best thing
to do is the minute you think there's something wrong,
is to get help before it goes into more levels
of activity, And that would be my recommendation. I'm by
no means an expert, but I have a lot of
good friends in the field. Joe Frank was with the Warrens,

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Lorraine and George or Ed I'm sorry Ed and Lorraine
Warren for forty years and I just got through interviewing
him for my new book, and that's exactly what he said.
It starts out little and they try to get you
off center, so you're never quite sure when something's going
to happen, which is really scary.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Yeah, I don't like it. I don't wonder why people stay.
I don't know why you would stay in a place
get out.

Speaker 8 (01:39:21):
They can't afford it. Okay, that's what I'm finding with
the Infield Demon House. They're underwater with the house financially,
they can't leave, and they've been through hell, so a
lot of times people can't and it is it's very
insidious and it feeds off negative energy. Well, listen, Rebecca,

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I have a strong family unit.

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
It helps you are a tremendous storyteller. I want to
make sure everybody knows that your book's eighteen of your
haunted books, We've got them all linked up, or at
least how you can get Rebecca's books on Coast to
Coast A. I want to thank you for your positive
energy and great storytelling. And I asked you to talk
about the Limp Mansion in the middle of the night,
so I really appreciate you bringing all that to the

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radio show, special guests for me, I really appreciate you,
and coming up next we talk thank you so much.
Coming up next, we talk about the scariest movies of
all time and how the really bad ones can be
really bad luck for those who make them. That is
coming up next on Coast to Coast and