November 20, 2025 • 24 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
No, you rolling, okay, We're just going to start. Need
to have headphones, can you hear? Why do you have
two phones?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Popular is one of this just for Jody Arias.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, she just contacts me on this Jodey phone.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's interesting you're here because you have a new documentary
that's out on Jody Arias.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, and something happened with me yesterday in Jody Arias. No,
but I don't want to tell you until I until
I hear your whole story. So explain if you can.
Did she agree to Is she in it?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
She messaged me She is not allowed to do interviews
per her appeals team.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They didn't even want to do the project.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
They were like, let's let's not do this, and we're like, okay,
but this is an important story to tell at this point.
So she was not supposed to contact me at all,
and eventually responded to me months later with this kind
of interesting message that has to do with her exclusive
blog she is running from prison.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Interesting. Now, let's just say someone's listening right now and
doesn't know the Jody Arias story. For new people that
are pumping in, pumping in, it's a new way of
me saying it what exactly, who is she? What she do?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So back in two thousand and eight, Jody Arius twenty
seven years old, pretty well known as being very.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Pretty, very personable.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And she was dating on and off again this guy,
Travis Alexander, who lived here in Mesa. They both worked
for this company called Legal Shield. He was very outgoing,
very well liked. He was part of the Mormon faith.
At first, Jody was not. She ended up getting baptized
to be part of his faith with him, but she
was kind of his muse, so to speak. He was
(01:35):
looking for a forever wife in his faith, and Jody
kind of was this girl that would come in and
she kind of awoke his sexual side and the two
of them would hook up on and off, and that
became this kind of toxic relationship between the two. So
here we are June two thousand and eight, and Travis
doesn't end up going to Mexico like he's supposed to
(01:57):
for a work trip and he is found dead in
his shower, stabbed twenty seven times, shot and at first
nobody knew to do and shot, stabbed and shot. Yeah,
it was a complete overkill. And immediately people were like,
could Joe do you have had something to do with this?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
People knew they were together doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
They knew they were doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
They were never officially back together, but they knew that
they were hooking up. But it was hard because you'd
look at her and you'd think, no way, is this
girl capable of that kind of crime.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
But did they know about their toxic relationship, like when
he would break up, when he'd be like, hey, there's
something that right here that's good for me, a little
opposite actually, oh really.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
They would break up. The friends told him, look, you,
this is not good.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
This is not good.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We're worried for your safety. Overall, we're distancing ourselves. And
Travis would actually defend her. No, she'd never hurt me,
she'd never heard a fly she was she's so sweet,
she could never do that. So he actually spent most
of the time defending her before he was killed.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And so she was supposed to go to Utah, was
late to Utah.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And eventually they find this digital camera and the crime
scene in the washing machine, and there's pictures on it,
these naked pictures of the two of them, and then
there's these pictures accidentally taken and he's bloody and we
see Jody's pant leg and DNA matched hers at the
crime scene, and ultimately she's arrested for the murder.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So how they were accidentally taken of her of blood?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, a great question. I thought they had said.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
It was more of like it was in a passionate
moment and the camera was there and she was trying
to snap the camera, and so.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
The passionate moment I think stopped after the killing started.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right, yeah, right, yeah, No, I was an insinuating she was.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It was on a tripod. It was just clicking photos,
Like how do you know?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I think they were both doing whatever. But I don't
know if she had it in her hand, And that's
the problem. We don't really know. Yeah, like if she
still had it in her hand, was it did she
hit it?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Did it fall on the ground and take like.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
A you know, hit that lucky evidence picture?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Seriously, I mean one percent?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Does she ever admitted yet?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, yes, after her third iteration of what happened. So,
first it was I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Then it was I was there, there were two intruders,
they attacked Travis. I ran away, and then it was yes,
I killed him. In self defense and that's where she's
rested now. But she claimed she was a victim of
abuse since she was defending herself and that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Have you seen the pictures? Are they public?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I have seen the pictures, yeah, and I mean they
there's blurred parts where Travis is in the shower naked,
But yeah, I've seen some of the pictures up until then,
and I mean it looks like they're having like this
fun shower moment with each other and then all of
a sudden, You've seen the.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Bloody was dead.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've seen some of thembody Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you played the knock in the trial in twenty thirteen,
a lot of them. The trial was insane. I've never
seen anything quite like this trial that happened. It was
so salacious. I mean they were playing audio six calls
between them. There was just every every detailer possibly was
was out there.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And I mean it gained international tension immediately.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Are you surprised by the number of people that love
Jody Arius after this stuff comes out that you like
the people that write her, like fan mail dolls.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And like all the people that write like the serial
killers and all the serial killers.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So it is weird and this happens over and over.
I are kind of liking it to the same vein
of people who are obsessed with the Menandaz brothers kind
of a similar thing. It's like, you know, they find
them either attractive or they feel they were justified and
what they did and now we're going to go to
that for them.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's odd.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Jody is a bit of an interesting one. This documentary.
It looks at her psychology from a team to now
in prison and the way that she writes and presents
herself for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is enticing.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I mean, I can see where she ropes people in
they can kind of deal with that manipulation that she
puts out there, and she finds a way to get
in there. And then she's very talks like this, and
she's very eloquent in the way she writes and kind of.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You know, is it weird texting her knowing what you've seen, Like,
so you're you have direct brand, you have direct connection
with her, and does she like try to befriend you
or does she try to manipulate you to like tell
her story in a more favorable way for her.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Both both to what you just said.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So the way that this win I actually wanted to
visit her in prison, and we can't take a camera
into prison. We can in the jail if it's approved,
we can't in the prison. So I was ready and
prepared to go sit down with her like a cafeteria
style setting, have my notepad and just get to know her.
Appeals team shut it down, wouldn't allow it. So I
messaged her through this prison messaging system.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's how I do.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
They have emojis, No, no emojis, unfortunately, it's it's very
very basic if you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And I guess I.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Talked to killers, convicted killers fairly often, so just for
the job, not for fun. So just clarification, is that
your thing at the station, you're like the murderer person.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I do murderer person and would love if it was
a different title than.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's true crowd.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, not to be clear, I'm not the murderer.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But anyway, so so I do communicate with people in
prison fairly often.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So have you ever been in prisoning where you've done
the interview you call guard?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, no, I have it. Laurie Valo was an interesting one. Yeah,
she was. Yeah, And I would actually Saylauri and Jody
have a lot of similar I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, the guy that killed the pastor who admitted to
crucifying the pastor here, he was probably the most unsettling
in prison. But Joey's a little bit different. Yes, she
definitely wanted to be friendly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
She wanted me.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
She's like, I wish I could do this interview about
my time here in Perryville Prison and all that I'm doing.
And I I am so glad you read my blog.
And so if you'd like to send me questions or
topics you'd like me to address in the blog, I
will consider doing so.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So your your documentary is it one awards already right
or something like that?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
This one hasn't come out a different one, yeah, or
one lesson?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So when it comes out, is it like on the
Netflix or it is no wish where will it be?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
So it's already out on Roku now in the Easy
Family app, but tonight at seven it premieres on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's probably our biggest plan on that.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It's called Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias And all you have
to do is type that in and it'll come right up.
And then tomorrow if people are in Arizona. It airs
on Channel three at seven and CBS five at nine.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
How long is it?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It's an hour with commercials or no commercials with commercials? Yeah,
so I guess without commercials about fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Four or something.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Does somebody assign you this case, this whole thing, or
like you do you pitch it and go, hey, I'd
like to do the Jody Areas thing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, we are little true crime team kind of. We're
talking about what our next documentary is going to be.
And I think there is mentioning Netflix and Hulu and HBO.
There's such a fascination and revisiting some of these high
profile cases. But there's still things that are lingering, like
nobody's done a story on Jody now and the fact
that she's still putting out content.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And what does she does she maintain innocence or maintained defense?
Where is she now?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
She won't talk about it, so she basically will write
about every aspect of her life and sell her art
and everything, but she won't write about the crime itself.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But she is appealing her conviction.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So that tell you as a reporter investigating is she
in denial or is she just looking to lessen her sentence, Like,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It tells me that they are going for prosecutorial misconduct,
So I actually think they're going for the actual way
that the trial was carried out as opposed to the
crime itself. Interestingly enough, in this case, both the lead
prosecutor and the lead defense attorney were disbarred over activities
and actions that surrounded this case.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's very rare. So there she might have a shot,
and that's what people are worried about, Like could she
could she get off on a text?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Maybe she doesn't, she never killed before. Maybe they could
be like she won't kill again.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
They could, they could, but that I mean that would.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Be if she gets out. Do you think she could tell.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Why you have phones?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
One's a work phone, one's a personal phone.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, work pays for the phone. Well that's cool,
we don't have that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well that's kind of smart.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
When she's interviewing murderers, question, so do.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You so when Jody Aris reaches out to you and says,
these are like, I'll answer questions that you want to
ask me in my blog.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
What were the questions that you asked?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It's a great question, and I actually came up with
a couple on my own, and then I chat GPT's
best questions to ask a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Thing is no.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Question, so no way, that is a fantastic question.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And and there's a forensic psychologist in this documentary who
talks about this cluster of psychological issues she has. Narcissism
is in part of it, but at the end of
the documentary we go to this overarching theme of the
one that is the most prevalent in her psyche. So
I wanted to ask her more broadly, what are your
biggest regrets in life? And on the same note as that,
(11:01):
what are your biggest accomplishments the biggest regrets.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
She's like, I killed this guy one time, but like, yeah, right,
I know, heart of my heart, that's good.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And this necklace.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, And that's kind of going more for like how
she views herself in her downfalls. I also asked her
what the biggest misconception about her she thinks people have
is and so so far, if not, she has not
addressed this in her blog yet. She has these pre
done blogs that she kind of does as well, and
so I think some of that is in a row.
(11:33):
She has it like lined up ready to go and
then communicate with somebody on the outside to publish this
on her blog.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So we'll see. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I love that I have the ability to do follow
up stories at any time to the documentary or anything.
I would love to interview Jody. I would love to
talk to her. I want her side of this. That's
a goal. But you know, this appeal is likely to
go into twenty twenty seven and then she could appeal again,
so you know it's one of those like sit and
wait a.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Little bit, but we still got to do we still
got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I got this message on my Instagram yesterday and
from a guy and he's like, joh Jay, I want
to reconnect. It's been over ten years. And he starts
giving me updates on his life and I click on
his Instagram and I do not recognize this guy, to
save my life. And I'm scrolling down on his Instagram
and he puts a picture of me from an ad
that I was in for a restaurant and I was like,
and he's like, I can't get away from this guy.
(12:22):
And I'm like, who is this guy? And in the
first message, he says, so it's been over ten years
since the Jody Aira's case, and so and he goes.
He starts telling me all about his wife, that she's
a judge now, and Lindstrom, do you know this is familiar?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So you don't know who.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know who know, not personally, but.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So it's like you did this documentary, you know, did
you interview the process? Because I feel like if I
could go back and messages that she was a prosecutor
or a defendant of defender of Jody arias well, so
I'll find the message.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yah, maybe she was on the legal team.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
She wasn't part of the main attorneys though I we
know who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Is it Monica Lindstrom?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, she was a legal analyst. There you go.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Okay, so like somebody who then kind of is looking
at the case itself. Did probably provided like commentary legal.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
She was a frequent commentor on the case, appearing on
news programs to discuss the legal strategies and public interests
surrounding her husband.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Whatever. Somehow him and I were best friends ten years ago.
And he said that she doesn't have instag anymore because
now she's a judge.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's crazy, Huh, That is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, No, But then again, if she was giving legal
analysis at the time when this crime happened, I was
pretty young, and I wasn't living in Arizona when the
trial happened. I'm from California, northern outside Sacramento, so I
was I was actually in high school when the crime
itself happened, and then I was in college during the trial.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So were you aware of it?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Though? Of course I was.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Definitely aware of it?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And I would say that this is one of those
big trials where even as a teen I was aware
and interested. I could see the the fascination and all
the cable news shows.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The text messages that they read in the trial or
like X rated, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And so I have the police report and I'm you know,
not just the text messages there, aim, I mean classic
two thousand and eight Yahoo messenger, and it is it
is yeah, wild, it's definitely X rated. And they do
this a lot, and they go back and forth. But
the way that she writes and almost is with him
is the same way that she is in her journal,
and that becomes such a key part in our case too.
(14:31):
She basically tried to establish an aliply by putting in
dates and things she was doing both before and after
the murder, and that didn't work in the end. To college,
I went to cal Pauly.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Did you go study to be a reporter?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Must?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Where did you? Where was your first reporter.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Job corpus Christy, Texas?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay? And then where?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And then here?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And so is your plan to go somewhere else? Did
you want to stay here?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think I think we'll see kind of how this
all shakes out. I love what I do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I'm so lucky your crime to clips i've seen.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh, thank you. I love it so much. And I
didn't expect to do true crime.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I came here as a general assignment reporter and I
love general news. But it kind of morphed into this
and we started doing a podcast and and documentaries and that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But do you want to go to New York in
LA or you think you can have a life here
in Phoenix?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I love? I love Arizona all you've been here to
bed almost eight years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh, so you have a life here?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, I love Arizona. But I'm from California. I wouldn't
say like New York is not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
To live in love visiting.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
What's your favorite restaurant in New York? Here? Oh here,
I took too long. I don't believe you.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Well, it's changed over the years. It used to be
all of an Ivy.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
All of an Ivy? Is your favorite restaurant that used.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
To be Yah, I would say if I really had it,
s BK, I love.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I love that meal, but I mean on a regular basis,
I'm not going to sky So yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It was kind of a broad question.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Breakfast Honestly, I love the breakfast at Global Ambassador made
one or yeah, they're like Carketing Market.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yes, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so I love Arizona.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I'm lucky to do to do this, but I think
it's nice that we can kind of reach a broader
audience now, especially with something like this where there's interest
from all over and that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You got to almost review it because of course we
were here what it was happening, But there's so much
over a try.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did we ever talked about it?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Talking about Grant from our show after she was like incarcerated,
would write her letters? She spun, Yeah, we talked about
it all the time, like because it was insanely sillacious,
Like it was insane the things that were coming out
during the trial.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The only thing I really remember is that was that
Nancy her name is Nancy Nancy Grace.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, she was over I mean there was I was
going through an archive footage. I just couldn't even believe
what I was seeing. It would never happen now. But
there's a whole story of her just in the jail,
just kind of you know, yelling the inmates like you know, areas,
what do you got like in the jail, just walking
cell to sell and testing off the jail food like that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They would never allow that access now.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And even what happened in the trial, I mean, it
made the Lori Valo trial very tame, feel very tame.
But I don't think that it would it would play
out quite the same.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The best I can describe it or compare it to
now is the Karen Reid case. Like there was a
lot of people supporting her and outside and in Boston.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, that's another weird one.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It is another weird one, very weird, but that was
still a little different because people were kind of supporting her,
and in this case, people were supporting Travis obviously an
anti jody like female killer.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh my gosh, and just in it for all the
all the salaciousness. So it was it was wild. I've
never seen anything like it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And going back and watching I was like, oh man,
it was months, months and months in all.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
The years of you doing this stuff. So you've seen
these photos, the Jenni Aious ones and other ones. Is
there a particular photograph that sticks out in your head?
Then you go Sometimes you're lying in bed, you're like, oh,
I can't get that out of my head. Not in
this case, but any case.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yes, the Robert Fisher case Bobby chess player, not the
chess player. No, probably the second most popular case in Arizona.
Robert Fish killed his old family and there's Scott still home.
Two thousand and one, blew up, the house, disappeared. They
found his car in Young Arizona like ten days later.
Dog was still alive. Robert never seen again. He was
on that bi instagram that long ago that's very popular.
(18:13):
Always comes back.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, I just googled him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, Robert Fisher, like you can see it in his eyes.
It's a really crazy case. It's kids were ten and twelve.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
In anyway, they at first thought that Robert, you know,
either was in the fire, that they had died in
the fire the explosion. They didn't, And so when they
went in they discovered the kids had had their throat slit,
the wife had had her throat slit and shot in
the back of the head.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Those pictures were really hard to see because like the
boy was ten and in his griefs in his bed
and from the explosion though.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They're burned. They're burned, the bodies are burned, and then
you could see that the slip.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, yet I never caught Robert Fisher. People so fascinated
it is he dead or alive? The detectives that have
worked the case don't agree something he's alive, something he's dead.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
They found they were like like normal, kind of normal.
I was like they had all the money to escape.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
No, it was South scotts So he was he worked
at the Mayo Clinic, but he wasn't a doctor. I
believe he was a radiologist or something along the something
along those lines, but he, uh, he did that kind
of stuff there and then they were really active in
their church.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And yeah, they lived in South Scottsdale.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Is is that weird? That it's pop you know how Instagram,
here's your your phones hear you and then you this
is like preemptive hearing because it's popped on my Instagram
like three days ago. I was like, well, I saw
the whole story, and I saw the whole story. I
was like, oh, I had no idea it was here. Yeah,
because it's like an it was like the top people.
The FBI is looking forward to that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Have you done a podcast, A long one, A long
form on that I did.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
It was actually my first documentary and first podcast season
was on Robert Fisher podcast Crime Arizona Easy documentary Finding
Robert Fisher.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
There you go, Yep, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's Finding Robert Fisher. Take off searching for Bobby Fisher.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right, No, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But I know, I know there's a movie called Bobby Fisher.
You called it Finding Robert Fisher.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Robert Fisher.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I do feel like that's one of those things that
could take off with like internet sleuths, you know what
I mean, Like the fascination for stuff like that and
the information that the cops maybe didn't have access to
at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Justice that we all have.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I want to say it to my sister. She that
he's not a serial killer. You have to kill three
people to be seriously.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, did he'd killed then it would be it be
a family annihilator? Is what technolog.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That that happens.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So sad we got the serial killer. So this is
the difference.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yes, typically it's three or more, but it's how they
do it. Serial killer has to have like a motive
they do it, and then they have a cool off period,
whether that's a day, a week, a month, a year,
and then they do the same thing with the same
kind of motive and signature.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They do it again, like Texter's Yes, listening to this
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And you're like, oh, man, I killed two people that
did the wrong way. You do it again. I gotta
kill someone. They gotta I gotta reset.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You think people think about wanting to be serial killers?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Why there's my sister has a whole thing with serial
killers on. She's in the Hollywood world, and she said
that there is do you remember the number. I think
she told you, Kyle, there's actively ten thousand serial killers
in the country right now, ten thousand operating.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, they don't know who they are. They just keep
on doing their thing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think that's the number.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
My hot take is that I think serial killers will
eventually become extinct because there's way too much with DNA
technology and surveillance and everything now to be able to
continue being a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Color real quick, perfect because but there's like mass killing.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
What did you say, how many active serial killers are
there in the country right now? Well, at least seven,
But I don't know that seven.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I thought you said something like ten thousands, a big number.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, that's true, it is at least maybe that's a murderer,
not a serial killer.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
No unknown, like hold on the ones that aren't caught yet.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Hold on, you said it. Wait, you said it, and
you're you're talking the conversation with Kyle, and you're like,
you know, there are actively this many serial killers right
now in the country.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I know because I had just got off the phone
with those people.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Do you think, yeah, it seems like a number, like
a thousand, you remember?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think I can't remember it either.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I was eavesdropping, so that's not fair of me. It
was obviously she was with you.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But there's a big there's a big leap between seven.
I can handle seven that's not great.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I felt like it was a very large, shockingly large number,
like very.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It's very different because if it's okay, we're all in
trouble right now, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
There are ten thousand serial killers operating right now.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I don't think well because John Jay's sister, she works
in TV and she worked on a show called Unknown
serial Killers, And each one goes through these serial killers
that weren't necessarily prolific.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But murdered hundreds of people.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
No, but they weren't like famous in that point where
they were like, you know, everyone knows them, like Bundy
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
A lot of them have a catch and it's like wow,
they get elevated, Like jode Arius, that's a whole Like
she's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
She's not even a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Have you seen the memes yet on her? Have you
ever seen? I mean, there's a meme where they show
her her face and then they say show what she did,
and then the guy going, she's still hot. I chill
take my chances.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And that's the thing we actually, I mean, I post
about it and people are like, freeer, she's so pretty,
Like that's still that's still a pretty People don't kill Yeah,
that's crazy, so crazy. Well, she was also running of
Twitter during her trial, and her Twitter manager was a
former cellmate, and that also picked up because she would
like comment she would comment on the prosecutor who she
didn't like obviously and would write like oh yes, little
(23:45):
man syndrome and all that on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So that just picked up everything, even so crazy. Okay,
So it'll be on YouTube tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Tonight and even if you get it, like if you
listen to this podcast next week, how do they search
for it on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You search for Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, thank you for coming in, Thank you for having
me so fun.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's so good to see you. Guys. We could talk
true crime with you. We really can't. All come back.
It's my it's my thing.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So next one, do come back. Next one.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Perfect
No, you rolling, okay, We're just going to start. Need
to have headphones, can you hear? Why do you have
two phones?
Speaker 2 (00:07):
You know?
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Popular is one of this just for Jody Arias.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Yeah, she just contacts me on this Jodey phone.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
It's interesting you're here because you have a new documentary
that's out on Jody Arias.
Speaker 4 (00:20):
Right.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yeah, and something happened with me yesterday in Jody Arias. No,
but I don't want to tell you until I until
I hear your whole story. So explain if you can.
Did she agree to Is she in it?
Speaker 4 (00:32):
She messaged me She is not allowed to do interviews
per her appeals team.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
They didn't even want to do the project.
Speaker 4 (00:39):
They were like, let's let's not do this, and we're like, okay,
but this is an important story to tell at this point.
So she was not supposed to contact me at all,
and eventually responded to me months later with this kind
of interesting message that has to do with her exclusive
blog she is running from prison.
Speaker 1 (00:55):
Interesting. Now, let's just say someone's listening right now and
doesn't know the Jody Arias story. For new people that
are pumping in, pumping in, it's a new way of
me saying it what exactly, who is she? What she do?
Speaker 4 (01:06):
So back in two thousand and eight, Jody Arius twenty
seven years old, pretty well known as being very.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Pretty, very personable.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
And she was dating on and off again this guy,
Travis Alexander, who lived here in Mesa. They both worked
for this company called Legal Shield. He was very outgoing,
very well liked. He was part of the Mormon faith.
At first, Jody was not. She ended up getting baptized
to be part of his faith with him, but she
was kind of his muse, so to speak. He was
(01:35):
looking for a forever wife in his faith, and Jody
kind of was this girl that would come in and
she kind of awoke his sexual side and the two
of them would hook up on and off, and that
became this kind of toxic relationship between the two. So
here we are June two thousand and eight, and Travis
doesn't end up going to Mexico like he's supposed to
(01:57):
for a work trip and he is found dead in
his shower, stabbed twenty seven times, shot and at first
nobody knew to do and shot, stabbed and shot. Yeah,
it was a complete overkill. And immediately people were like,
could Joe do you have had something to do with this?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
People knew they were together doing stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
They knew they were doing stuff.
Speaker 4 (02:17):
They were never officially back together, but they knew that
they were hooking up. But it was hard because you'd
look at her and you'd think, no way, is this
girl capable of that kind of crime.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
But did they know about their toxic relationship, like when
he would break up, when he'd be like, hey, there's
something that right here that's good for me, a little
opposite actually, oh really.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
They would break up. The friends told him, look, you,
this is not good.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
This is not good.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
We're worried for your safety. Overall, we're distancing ourselves. And
Travis would actually defend her. No, she'd never hurt me,
she'd never heard a fly she was she's so sweet,
she could never do that. So he actually spent most
of the time defending her before he was killed.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
And so she was supposed to go to Utah, was
late to Utah.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
And eventually they find this digital camera and the crime
scene in the washing machine, and there's pictures on it,
these naked pictures of the two of them, and then
there's these pictures accidentally taken and he's bloody and we
see Jody's pant leg and DNA matched hers at the
crime scene, and ultimately she's arrested for the murder.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
So how they were accidentally taken of her of blood?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, a great question. I thought they had said.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
It was more of like it was in a passionate
moment and the camera was there and she was trying
to snap the camera, and so.
Speaker 4 (03:34):
The passionate moment I think stopped after the killing started.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
Right, yeah, right, yeah, No, I was an insinuating she was.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
It was on a tripod. It was just clicking photos,
Like how do you know?
Speaker 4 (03:47):
I think they were both doing whatever. But I don't
know if she had it in her hand, And that's
the problem. We don't really know. Yeah, like if she
still had it in her hand, was it did she
hit it?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Did it fall on the ground and take like.
Speaker 3 (03:58):
A you know, hit that lucky evidence picture?
Speaker 4 (04:00):
No?
Speaker 2 (04:01):
Seriously, I mean one percent?
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Does she ever admitted yet?
Speaker 4 (04:04):
Well, yes, after her third iteration of what happened. So,
first it was I wasn't there.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (04:11):
Then it was I was there, there were two intruders,
they attacked Travis. I ran away, and then it was yes,
I killed him. In self defense and that's where she's
rested now. But she claimed she was a victim of
abuse since she was defending herself and that.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
Have you seen the pictures? Are they public?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
I have seen the pictures, yeah, and I mean they
there's blurred parts where Travis is in the shower naked,
But yeah, I've seen some of the pictures up until then,
and I mean it looks like they're having like this
fun shower moment with each other and then all of
a sudden, You've seen the.
Speaker 1 (04:41):
Bloody was dead.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
I've seen some of thembody Yeah.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
Yeah, you played the knock in the trial in twenty thirteen,
a lot of them. The trial was insane. I've never
seen anything quite like this trial that happened. It was
so salacious. I mean they were playing audio six calls
between them. There was just every every detailer possibly was
was out there.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And I mean it gained international tension immediately.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
Are you surprised by the number of people that love
Jody Arius after this stuff comes out that you like
the people that write her, like fan mail dolls.
Speaker 5 (05:14):
And like all the people that write like the serial
killers and all the serial killers.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
So it is weird and this happens over and over.
I are kind of liking it to the same vein
of people who are obsessed with the Menandaz brothers kind
of a similar thing. It's like, you know, they find
them either attractive or they feel they were justified and
what they did and now we're going to go to
that for them.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
It's odd.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Jody is a bit of an interesting one. This documentary.
It looks at her psychology from a team to now
in prison and the way that she writes and presents
herself for a long time.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
It is enticing.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
I mean, I can see where she ropes people in
they can kind of deal with that manipulation that she
puts out there, and she finds a way to get
in there. And then she's very talks like this, and
she's very eloquent in the way she writes and kind of.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
You know, is it weird texting her knowing what you've seen, Like,
so you're you have direct brand, you have direct connection
with her, and does she like try to befriend you
or does she try to manipulate you to like tell
her story in a more favorable way for her.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Both both to what you just said.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
So the way that this win I actually wanted to
visit her in prison, and we can't take a camera
into prison. We can in the jail if it's approved,
we can't in the prison. So I was ready and
prepared to go sit down with her like a cafeteria
style setting, have my notepad and just get to know her.
Appeals team shut it down, wouldn't allow it. So I
messaged her through this prison messaging system.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
That's how I do.
Speaker 4 (06:42):
They have emojis, No, no emojis, unfortunately, it's it's very
very basic if you can imagine.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
And I guess I.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
Talked to killers, convicted killers fairly often, so just for
the job, not for fun. So just clarification, is that
your thing at the station, you're like the murderer person.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I do murderer person and would love if it was
a different title than.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
That's true crowd.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Yeah, yeah, not to be clear, I'm not the murderer.
Speaker 4 (07:08):
But anyway, so so I do communicate with people in
prison fairly often.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
So have you ever been in prisoning where you've done
the interview you call guard?
Speaker 2 (07:15):
No, no, I have it. Laurie Valo was an interesting one. Yeah,
she was. Yeah, And I would actually Saylauri and Jody
have a lot of similar I can see that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yeah, the guy that killed the pastor who admitted to
crucifying the pastor here, he was probably the most unsettling
in prison. But Joey's a little bit different. Yes, she
definitely wanted to be friendly.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
She wanted me.
Speaker 4 (07:38):
She's like, I wish I could do this interview about
my time here in Perryville Prison and all that I'm doing.
And I I am so glad you read my blog.
And so if you'd like to send me questions or
topics you'd like me to address in the blog, I
will consider doing so.
Speaker 1 (07:52):
So your your documentary is it one awards already right
or something like that?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
This one hasn't come out a different one, yeah, or
one lesson?
Speaker 1 (07:58):
So when it comes out, is it like on the
Netflix or it is no wish where will it be?
Speaker 5 (08:03):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (08:04):
So it's already out on Roku now in the Easy
Family app, but tonight at seven it premieres on YouTube.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
That's probably our biggest plan on that.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
It's called Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias And all you have
to do is type that in and it'll come right up.
And then tomorrow if people are in Arizona. It airs
on Channel three at seven and CBS five at nine.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
How long is it?
Speaker 4 (08:22):
It's an hour with commercials or no commercials with commercials? Yeah,
so I guess without commercials about fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Four or something.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Does somebody assign you this case, this whole thing, or
like you do you pitch it and go, hey, I'd
like to do the Jody Areas thing.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yeah, we are little true crime team kind of. We're
talking about what our next documentary is going to be.
And I think there is mentioning Netflix and Hulu and HBO.
There's such a fascination and revisiting some of these high
profile cases. But there's still things that are lingering, like
nobody's done a story on Jody now and the fact
that she's still putting out content.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
And what does she does she maintain innocence or maintained defense?
Where is she now?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
She won't talk about it, so she basically will write
about every aspect of her life and sell her art
and everything, but she won't write about the crime itself.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
But she is appealing her conviction.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
So that tell you as a reporter investigating is she
in denial or is she just looking to lessen her sentence, Like,
what do you think?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It tells me that they are going for prosecutorial misconduct,
So I actually think they're going for the actual way
that the trial was carried out as opposed to the
crime itself. Interestingly enough, in this case, both the lead
prosecutor and the lead defense attorney were disbarred over activities
and actions that surrounded this case.
Speaker 2 (09:34):
That's very rare. So there she might have a shot,
and that's what people are worried about, Like could she
could she get off on a text?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Maybe she doesn't, she never killed before. Maybe they could
be like she won't kill again.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
They could, they could, but that I mean that would.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Be if she gets out. Do you think she could tell.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
Why you have phones?
Speaker 2 (09:53):
One's a work phone, one's a personal phone.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, work pays for the phone. Well that's cool,
we don't have that.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Well that's kind of smart.
Speaker 5 (10:01):
When she's interviewing murderers, question, so do.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You so when Jody Aris reaches out to you and says,
these are like, I'll answer questions that you want to
ask me in my blog.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
What were the questions that you asked?
Speaker 4 (10:19):
It's a great question, and I actually came up with
a couple on my own, and then I chat GPT's
best questions to ask a narcissist.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Oh that's good.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Thing is no.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Question, so no way, that is a fantastic question.
Speaker 4 (10:39):
And and there's a forensic psychologist in this documentary who
talks about this cluster of psychological issues she has. Narcissism
is in part of it, but at the end of
the documentary we go to this overarching theme of the
one that is the most prevalent in her psyche. So
I wanted to ask her more broadly, what are your
biggest regrets in life? And on the same note as that,
(11:01):
what are your biggest accomplishments the biggest regrets.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
She's like, I killed this guy one time, but like, yeah, right,
I know, heart of my heart, that's good.
Speaker 1 (11:10):
And this necklace.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Yeah, And that's kind of going more for like how
she views herself in her downfalls. I also asked her
what the biggest misconception about her she thinks people have
is and so so far, if not, she has not
addressed this in her blog yet. She has these pre
done blogs that she kind of does as well, and
so I think some of that is in a row.
(11:33):
She has it like lined up ready to go and
then communicate with somebody on the outside to publish this
on her blog.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
So we'll see. But that's the thing.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
I love that I have the ability to do follow
up stories at any time to the documentary or anything.
I would love to interview Jody. I would love to
talk to her. I want her side of this. That's
a goal. But you know, this appeal is likely to
go into twenty twenty seven and then she could appeal again,
so you know it's one of those like sit and
wait a.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
Little bit, but we still got to do we still
got to do the work.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
So I got this message on my Instagram yesterday and
from a guy and he's like, joh Jay, I want
to reconnect. It's been over ten years. And he starts
giving me updates on his life and I click on
his Instagram and I do not recognize this guy, to
save my life. And I'm scrolling down on his Instagram
and he puts a picture of me from an ad
that I was in for a restaurant and I was like,
and he's like, I can't get away from this guy.
(12:22):
And I'm like, who is this guy? And in the
first message, he says, so it's been over ten years
since the Jody Aira's case, and so and he goes.
He starts telling me all about his wife, that she's
a judge now, and Lindstrom, do you know this is familiar?
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Ye?
Speaker 1 (12:37):
So you don't know who.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I don't know who know, not personally, but.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
So it's like you did this documentary, you know, did
you interview the process? Because I feel like if I
could go back and messages that she was a prosecutor
or a defendant of defender of Jody arias well, so
I'll find the message.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
Yah, maybe she was on the legal team.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
She wasn't part of the main attorneys though I we
know who they are.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
Is it Monica Lindstrom?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yes, she was a legal analyst. There you go.
Speaker 4 (13:05):
Okay, so like somebody who then kind of is looking
at the case itself. Did probably provided like commentary legal.
Speaker 5 (13:10):
She was a frequent commentor on the case, appearing on
news programs to discuss the legal strategies and public interests
surrounding her husband.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Whatever. Somehow him and I were best friends ten years ago.
And he said that she doesn't have instag anymore because
now she's a judge.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
That's crazy, Huh, That is crazy.
Speaker 4 (13:28):
No, No, But then again, if she was giving legal
analysis at the time when this crime happened, I was
pretty young, and I wasn't living in Arizona when the
trial happened. I'm from California, northern outside Sacramento, so I
was I was actually in high school when the crime
itself happened, and then I was in college during the trial.
Speaker 3 (13:49):
So were you aware of it?
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Though? Of course I was.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Definitely aware of it?
Speaker 4 (13:52):
And I would say that this is one of those
big trials where even as a teen I was aware
and interested. I could see the the fascination and all
the cable news shows.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
So I mean it was crazy.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
The text messages that they read in the trial or
like X rated, oh one hundred percent.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
And so I have the police report and I'm you know,
not just the text messages there, aim, I mean classic
two thousand and eight Yahoo messenger, and it is it
is yeah, wild, it's definitely X rated. And they do
this a lot, and they go back and forth. But
the way that she writes and almost is with him
is the same way that she is in her journal,
and that becomes such a key part in our case too.
(14:31):
She basically tried to establish an aliply by putting in
dates and things she was doing both before and after
the murder, and that didn't work in the end. To college,
I went to cal Pauly.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Did you go study to be a reporter?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Must?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Where did you? Where was your first reporter.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Job corpus Christy, Texas?
Speaker 1 (14:49):
Okay? And then where?
Speaker 2 (14:50):
And then here?
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And so is your plan to go somewhere else? Did
you want to stay here?
Speaker 3 (14:53):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
I think I think we'll see kind of how this
all shakes out. I love what I do.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
I'm so lucky your crime to clips i've seen.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Oh, thank you. I love it so much. And I
didn't expect to do true crime.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I came here as a general assignment reporter and I
love general news. But it kind of morphed into this
and we started doing a podcast and and documentaries and that.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
But do you want to go to New York in
LA or you think you can have a life here
in Phoenix?
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
I love? I love Arizona all you've been here to
bed almost eight years.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Oh, so you have a life here?
Speaker 4 (15:20):
Yeah, I love Arizona. But I'm from California. I wouldn't
say like New York is not my favorite.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
To live in love visiting.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
What's your favorite restaurant in New York? Here? Oh here,
I took too long. I don't believe you.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
Well, it's changed over the years. It used to be
all of an Ivy.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
All of an Ivy? Is your favorite restaurant that used.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
To be Yah, I would say if I really had it,
s BK, I love.
Speaker 4 (15:44):
I love that meal, but I mean on a regular basis,
I'm not going to sky So yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
It was kind of a broad question.
Speaker 4 (15:51):
Breakfast Honestly, I love the breakfast at Global Ambassador made
one or yeah, they're like Carketing Market.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Yes, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
Yeah, so I love Arizona.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
I'm lucky to do to do this, but I think
it's nice that we can kind of reach a broader
audience now, especially with something like this where there's interest
from all over and that's the goal.
Speaker 3 (16:11):
You got to almost review it because of course we
were here what it was happening, But there's so much
over a try.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Did we ever talked about it?
Speaker 5 (16:17):
Talking about Grant from our show after she was like incarcerated,
would write her letters? She spun, Yeah, we talked about
it all the time, like because it was insanely sillacious,
Like it was insane the things that were coming out
during the trial.
Speaker 1 (16:35):
The only thing I really remember is that was that
Nancy her name is Nancy Nancy Grace.
Speaker 4 (16:39):
Yeah, she was over I mean there was I was
going through an archive footage. I just couldn't even believe
what I was seeing. It would never happen now. But
there's a whole story of her just in the jail,
just kind of you know, yelling the inmates like you know, areas,
what do you got like in the jail, just walking
cell to sell and testing off the jail food like that.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
They would never allow that access now.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
And even what happened in the trial, I mean, it
made the Lori Valo trial very tame, feel very tame.
But I don't think that it would it would play
out quite the same.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
The best I can describe it or compare it to
now is the Karen Reid case. Like there was a
lot of people supporting her and outside and in Boston.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
Yeah, that's another weird one.
Speaker 4 (17:17):
It is another weird one, very weird, but that was
still a little different because people were kind of supporting her,
and in this case, people were supporting Travis obviously an
anti jody like female killer.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
Oh my gosh, and just in it for all the
all the salaciousness. So it was it was wild. I've
never seen anything like it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
And going back and watching I was like, oh man,
it was months, months and months in all.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
The years of you doing this stuff. So you've seen
these photos, the Jenni Aious ones and other ones. Is
there a particular photograph that sticks out in your head?
Then you go Sometimes you're lying in bed, you're like, oh,
I can't get that out of my head. Not in
this case, but any case.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
Yes, the Robert Fisher case Bobby chess player, not the
chess player. No, probably the second most popular case in Arizona.
Robert Fish killed his old family and there's Scott still home.
Two thousand and one, blew up, the house, disappeared. They
found his car in Young Arizona like ten days later.
Dog was still alive. Robert never seen again. He was
on that bi instagram that long ago that's very popular.
(18:13):
Always comes back.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Yeah, I just googled him.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Yeah, Robert Fisher, like you can see it in his eyes.
It's a really crazy case. It's kids were ten and twelve.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
In anyway, they at first thought that Robert, you know,
either was in the fire, that they had died in
the fire the explosion. They didn't, And so when they
went in they discovered the kids had had their throat slit,
the wife had had her throat slit and shot in
the back of the head.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Those pictures were really hard to see because like the
boy was ten and in his griefs in his bed
and from the explosion though.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
They're burned. They're burned, the bodies are burned, and then
you could see that the slip.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
Yeah, yet I never caught Robert Fisher. People so fascinated
it is he dead or alive? The detectives that have
worked the case don't agree something he's alive, something he's dead.
Speaker 2 (19:02):
They found they were like like normal, kind of normal.
I was like they had all the money to escape.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
No, it was South scotts So he was he worked
at the Mayo Clinic, but he wasn't a doctor. I
believe he was a radiologist or something along the something
along those lines, but he, uh, he did that kind
of stuff there and then they were really active in
their church.
Speaker 2 (19:21):
And yeah, they lived in South Scottsdale.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Is is that weird? That it's pop you know how Instagram,
here's your your phones hear you and then you this
is like preemptive hearing because it's popped on my Instagram
like three days ago. I was like, well, I saw
the whole story, and I saw the whole story. I
was like, oh, I had no idea it was here. Yeah,
because it's like an it was like the top people.
The FBI is looking forward to that for a long time.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Have you done a podcast, A long one, A long
form on that I did.
Speaker 4 (19:44):
It was actually my first documentary and first podcast season
was on Robert Fisher podcast Crime Arizona Easy documentary Finding
Robert Fisher.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
There you go, Yep, that's.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
That's Finding Robert Fisher. Take off searching for Bobby Fisher.
Speaker 3 (19:59):
Right, No, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
But I know, I know there's a movie called Bobby Fisher.
You called it Finding Robert Fisher.
Speaker 2 (20:08):
Robert Fisher.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
I do feel like that's one of those things that
could take off with like internet sleuths, you know what
I mean, Like the fascination for stuff like that and
the information that the cops maybe didn't have access to
at the time.
Speaker 3 (20:24):
Justice that we all have.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I want to say it to my sister. She that
he's not a serial killer. You have to kill three
people to be seriously.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Well, did he'd killed then it would be it be
a family annihilator? Is what technolog.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
That that happens.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
So sad we got the serial killer. So this is
the difference.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Yes, typically it's three or more, but it's how they
do it. Serial killer has to have like a motive
they do it, and then they have a cool off period,
whether that's a day, a week, a month, a year,
and then they do the same thing with the same
kind of motive and signature.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
They do it again, like Texter's Yes, listening to this
and you're like.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
And you're like, oh, man, I killed two people that
did the wrong way. You do it again. I gotta
kill someone. They gotta I gotta reset.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
You think people think about wanting to be serial killers?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Why there's my sister has a whole thing with serial
killers on. She's in the Hollywood world, and she said
that there is do you remember the number. I think
she told you, Kyle, there's actively ten thousand serial killers
in the country right now, ten thousand operating.
Speaker 3 (21:25):
Yeah, they don't know who they are. They just keep
on doing their thing.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
I think that's the number.
Speaker 4 (21:30):
My hot take is that I think serial killers will
eventually become extinct because there's way too much with DNA
technology and surveillance and everything now to be able to
continue being a serial killer.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Color real quick, perfect because but there's like mass killing.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
That's a hot take.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
What did you say, how many active serial killers are
there in the country right now? Well, at least seven,
But I don't know that seven.
Speaker 4 (21:58):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
I thought you said something like ten thousands, a big number.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
Well, that's true, it is at least maybe that's a murderer,
not a serial killer.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
No unknown, like hold on the ones that aren't caught yet.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
Hold on, you said it. Wait, you said it, and
you're you're talking the conversation with Kyle, and you're like,
you know, there are actively this many serial killers right
now in the country.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
I know because I had just got off the phone
with those people.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
Do you think, yeah, it seems like a number, like
a thousand, you remember?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
I think I can't remember it either.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
I was eavesdropping, so that's not fair of me. It
was obviously she was with you.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
But there's a big there's a big leap between seven.
I can handle seven that's not great.
Speaker 5 (22:33):
I felt like it was a very large, shockingly large number,
like very.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
It's very different because if it's okay, we're all in
trouble right now, I'll be shocked.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
There are ten thousand serial killers operating right now.
Speaker 5 (22:46):
I don't think well because John Jay's sister, she works
in TV and she worked on a show called Unknown
serial Killers, And each one goes through these serial killers
that weren't necessarily prolific.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
But murdered hundreds of people.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
No, but they weren't like famous in that point where
they were like, you know, everyone knows them, like Bundy
or something like that.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
A lot of them have a catch and it's like wow,
they get elevated, Like jode Arius, that's a whole Like
she's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
She's not even a serial killer.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
Have you seen the memes yet on her? Have you
ever seen? I mean, there's a meme where they show
her her face and then they say show what she did,
and then the guy going, she's still hot. I chill
take my chances.
Speaker 4 (23:23):
And that's the thing we actually, I mean, I post
about it and people are like, freeer, she's so pretty,
Like that's still that's still a pretty People don't kill Yeah,
that's crazy, so crazy. Well, she was also running of
Twitter during her trial, and her Twitter manager was a
former cellmate, and that also picked up because she would
like comment she would comment on the prosecutor who she
didn't like obviously and would write like oh yes, little
(23:45):
man syndrome and all that on Twitter.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
So that just picked up everything, even so crazy. Okay,
So it'll be on YouTube tonight.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
Tonight and even if you get it, like if you
listen to this podcast next week, how do they search
for it on YouTube?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
You search for Obsessed Unraveling Jody Arias.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Okay, thank you for coming in, Thank you for having
me so fun.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's so good to see you. Guys. We could talk
true crime with you. We really can't. All come back.
It's my it's my thing.
Speaker 3 (24:10):
So next one, do come back. Next one.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
Perfect
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