071524 Michael Waller

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first guest of the morning. Adifferent topic probably than what I thought I

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would talk about with Jmichael Waller,who's written a book called Big Intel,
How the CIA n FBI went fromCold War heroes to Deep state villains.
Bring J Michael Waller into the program. Let me hit the right button.
There we go. I got well, let's see if I hit that.
Am I hitting the right button?I'm not sure if I am. Just

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a second, Jay, I'm comingto you, Misson, I'm coming to
you. It's that one. Therewe go, that's the button I need
to hit. J Michael Waller,how are you? Good morning, Jimmy.
Sorry about the little mix up bymy buttons were off on my computer,
but I got it all fixed upand we're all good. Let's stop
in this a little bit mixed uphere. Originally I wanted to have you

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on regarding the saga with Joe Bidenand the just all the things that were
happening kind of behind those scenes onthat, and we can dive into that.
But you're a guy who kind offollows the these big agencies. The
FBI is taking the lead on thisTrump assassination attempt. Just give me your

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overall thoughts. We'll just kind ofstart there, because you have obviously written
a book that the FBI has becomedeep state villains. What do you think
about them leading the investigation into theDonald Trump attempted assassination? Well, this
is the hard thing, Jimmy.When you have the FBI, on the
one hand, as the greatest federallaw enforcement agency we have, with the

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most talent and the most assets anda lot of the technological resources that we
need, it makes sense that itbe the lead agency. On the other
hand, when it's been committing it'sbeen acting as a political police force for
all these years, running that fakecounter intelligence investigation against Donald Trump to make
him look like Russian agents, andrunning these other investigations of people's based purely

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on politics and not on real justice. The FBI shouldn't be near this.
So our country is in a badway. It's fascinating. You can go
back to other agencies from this NationalHealth Institute or all the COVID stuff.
We have a very big mistrust inall of these alphabet soup agencies. And

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I'm not sure how we get thattrust back. But when you hear that
the federal government's going to investigate it, the FBI is going to investigate this,
it doesn't matter what the topic.A lot of these they've lied to
us so much in the last manyyears that you don't know whether you can
trust their research. That's right,And there was a time Remember when people
think, great, put the FBIon and by'll know what's to do.

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Now, who knows what to do, especially where you have a lot of
suspicions about things, or you havesimply the FBI won't come clean about things
that are already public knowledge. Andyet it's there. It goes right in
taking the lead on this. Yetwe don't have an alternative, and we
don't have anybody who's overseeing them.Congress certainly isn't it doing it? Merritt

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Garland, the Attorney General is theguy in charge of the bureau. So
do you really trust merit Early tolead a case of what could be the
bureau? I mean, you know, the same bureau that is simultaneously and
investigating Donald Trump and his allies forpolitical offenses against Biden. Yeah, there
seems to be a little conflict ofinterests. And again you'd like to think

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that these people can to investigate thisattempted assassination are on the up and up.
But when on one one aisle ofthe agency you have then prosecuting and
trying to bring put Donald Trump injail, and then you have the other
ones trying to look into an attemptedassassination. You kind of wonder how much
crossover do we have? Is thisa conflict of interest? Again, we

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have no other alternatives, but Ithink it's going to whatever ruling or whatever
announcement that the FBI comes out,there's going to be questions about it because
the FBI is not necessarily the mostsanctimonious organization anymore. At least that's a
perception, right, and you haveit, and it's not somebody did this
to the FBI. The FBI didthis to itself. And rather than cleaning

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house, when when Trump named ChristopherRay as director, Christopher Ray instead has
made the problem worse. Yeah,let's talk about Christopher Ray. That was
a Donald Trump appointment, not necessarilyone of the most stellar appointments by Donald
Trump. Why do you think Raywas chosen for that? And were people

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expecting something different from Christopher Ray?Well, here's the thing. When when
Trump was first president, he didn'thave a team. He actually didn't even
expect to beat Hillary Clinton. Sohe went into the White House without a
team, without a strategy, withoutpeople who knew each other and worked with
each other and trust each other,and instead he just sort of cobbled things
together. So he kept the Clintontheir Clinton, He kept the Obama generals,

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you know, general all these peoplewho were just you know, the
wrong people for the jobs. Andwhen he fired James Cody, who was
the Obama appointed FBI director who ranCrossfire Hurricane, which is that fake count
intelligence investigation pushing that Russia collusion narrative, Chris Christie said, Hey, put

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in put in Christopher Ray. He'sa great guy. I worked with him
when he was in the Justice Department. So Trump said, okay, and
just put Ray in there. Raywas just sort of a colorless inside the
Beltway kind of lawyer. He gotrich in Washington, DC with his law
firm, wrote rotating in and outof government. And actually he's got new
James Coby back in the Justice Department. So so Trump just said kind of

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okay, and he didn't do areal search for the right FBI director.
That's changed this timeline. Yeah.J Michael Waller is my guest. He's
written a book called Big Intel.How the CIA and FBI went from Cold
War heroes to deep state villains?How did we get here? And I
think this is kind of the themeof your book. We did go from
the FBI the CIA, these agenciesbeing vaunted and just great places. Everybody

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respected him. The FBI said itdog on, it was the gospel truth.
How did we get here to thispoint where now we have the FBI
going to take the lead on aninvestigation, going to take the lead on
a investigation of an attempted assassination,and people kind of go, can we
trust them? How did we gethere? Well, assaulting and trying to

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assassinate a former president of the UnitedStates is a federal crime. So the
FBI is the lead federal law enforcementagency. We don't have I mean,
we don't have a whole lot offederal law enforcement agencies with this kind of
jurisdiction. One other one might bea unit of Homeland Security, but that's
you know, that's run by thepeople letting all the illegal aliens in the
country, and that controls the SecretService, which you can see completely failed

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the other day. You want doyou want them running the investigations? Yeah?
But where do we get here?I mean, obviously it's used to
be a vaunted and valiant organization andnow we're questioning him. When did that
transition happen in history? In Americanhistory? Did it happened in the eighties
and nineties. Who brought down thereputation of the FBI to where it is
today. Well, he had itrun under Jay At Rhoover for forty eight

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years, and like him or not, the guy knew how to build a
premier law enforcement organization and one ofhis main requirements was to hire people of
character to be special agents. Thatwhole thing of character is gone. It
started eroding in the nineties, butit really went bad after nine to eleven
when the FBI had this huge hiringspree and then it was redesigned to be

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a top down organization so that everythingwas run by a powerful central apparatus.
Even under Jay at Rhoover, itwas the local field offices. There are
fifty six across the country, includeone in Pittsburgh right near where the shooting
occurred. So the field office wouldbe the lead agency to the lead office
to run the investigation. And nowit's all being done top down out of

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headquarters. And that's where the rockbegan because we're George W. Bush had
made it a top heavy organization tocentralize it in the name of fighting terrorism
efficiently. Barack Obama came in andused to politicize the entire bureau and to
abuse political power. There's been somepeople watching the Secret Service response Saturday over

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Donald Trump, and several people pointingout that some of the agents there were
smaller in stature, unable to formthe cocoon around Donald J. Trump,
and they were shorter ladies. AndI saw some audio circulating over the weekend
that the head of the Secret Servicetop priority wasn't hiring the best and the

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brightest, It was about hiring morewomen agents. Diversity, equity of inclusion
running against course. Is that alsopart of the problem with these other agencies,
not just the US Secret Service that'sbeen a priority of them, but
FBI, CIA. We hire thepeople based on not qualifications or skill,
but because of diversity, equity andinclusion, all of them. I didn't

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even know how bad it was inthe Secret Service, hadn't looked at it
until recently. But you see theexact same problem in the FBI, the
exact same problem in the CIA.We can see it all of us out
in the open. The way what'shappened to our military. So when you
have people in the president's own securitydetail who are physically too short to protect

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a tall president or physically too fatto be able to bolster her weapon properly.
And then that same one was washiding behind everybody else and cowering when
the shooting was taking place see thosepictures. How on earth could a president's
personal security guard be cowering in theface of things like that. Yeah,

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it's fascinating. It's going to bea very interesting time. Are there are
things we should be that this investigation. The FBI is going to take the
lead on what happened, how theSecret Service failed? Is there how do
we know they get it right?Is there anything we should be watching for?
Anything you would instruct us to payattention to, because I'm sure you
view this news through a different paradigmbecause of your knowledge of these agencies.

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What needs to happen? What shouldwe be on the lookout for. Well,
first of all, we aren't evenconvinced as a country who shot John
F. Kennedy. So we reallyreally have to have a really effective,
pristine, trusted leadership of this assassinationattempt investigation. So first, don't believe

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anything you hear at all that whetheryou like what it is or not,
don't believe a thing because a lotof it's just speculation, and a lot
of it from the pureaucracy is justcovering their bucks. You see how the
Secret Service has already passed the buck. They're blaming the Pennsylvania State Police.
Yeah, when you watch this thingunfold, you see this twenty year old

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shooter that the alleged attempted assassin.Are you mentioning even the news we're getting
now? We have to question allthe news we're getting now first because like
in any any emergency or any suddendanger, people's eyewitness accounts are just what
they see from their perspective, andit might or might not be true because

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I mean think people couldn't even besure how many bullets they hurt fired,
And that's normal when we are ina crisis like that, that's normal.
But we can't so we can't takeall of that as fact. The same
thing with bureaucracies. What if theSecret Service is screwed up? Why would
there be which it did because becausethe prison the candidate was shot, But
how did they not include the roofof that building within the security perimeter and

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make sure that there was no problemon that roof? So there are lots
of investigatory things there that it's goingto be a bureaucracy's nature to try to
cover up because somebody's got to beheld responsible and heads are going to have
after all, so we should be. Really the citizen journalism part of this
is so vital because everyone is ableopenly to questions. Like what Elon Musk

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has done with Twitter made it soeveryone can put evidence out there, everyone
can discuss, and yes that's dangerousbecause it brings out a lot of speculation
and things that might not be so, but it allows everyone to discuss it
and get to the bottom of thingswithout being set aligne by some secretive agency.

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J. Michael Waller, as myguest, is a recent books called
Big Intel, How the CIA andFBI went from Cold War heroes to Deep
State villains. J. Michael,I had the technical issue at the front,
but I did not properly introduce you. You actually worked in the CIA,
and you've actually taught taught some ofthe intelligent schools around America and the

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CIA, so you have a uniqueperspective. How have things changed since you
were in there? You were inthe CIA, you were teaching, and
what's the biggest change in the organizationnow that you're not in it and writing
a book about it. Well,seriously, I worked for the CIA,
but not inside. And the reasonwhy I worked for it but not in

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it was was because of the problemback in the early nineteen eighties, it
was already politicized and it had alreadylost a lot of talent. So when
Reagan came in and his CIA directorcame in and said, Wow, we
have analysts who can't even tell usthat the Soviet Union is behind terrorism and
the Soviet or the Soviet Union isbehind communists, subversive and guerrilla movements on

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our southern border. That's why Icame. I came in to go down
and collect that intelligence on the groundbecause the CIA wasn't doing it. So
you have a lot of problems thatwere bad in the early nineteen eighties.
Forty years later, there's so muchworse. J. Michael Waller. If
folks want to follow you out there, I know you're on the web.
I know you've got a book outthere. What do you instruct them to
do today? Well, if I'mtrying, I'm going to be on this

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quite a bit. You can findme at J Michael Laller on Twitter,
on x and then you can findus at securefreedom dot org or our website,
the Center for Security Policy Jmichael Wallerdot com. Correct, now that
one's old, So that's at J. Michael Waller on Twitter x or securefreedom

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dot org, securefreedom dot org orTwitter is Jmichael Waller. I appreciate your
name of your book is Big Intel, How the CIA and the FBI went
from Cold War heroes to Deep Statevillains. That's available anywhere good books are
sold, and they don't sell J. Michael Waller book. They're not a
good bookseller. They've got to dobetter at it. I appreciate you hopping
on the program, my friend.I'm sure we'll touch base again very soon.

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J. Michael Waller. The nameof the book, Big Intel,
How the CIA and the FBI wentfrom Cold War heroes to Deep state villains.
O, Wow, question it,he said, whatever they're telling you,
you got to question it, allright, Everybody stand by Lakey on
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