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Rocky Mountain Men's Clinic dot com. All right, let me
jump in here. Just added this guest just a few
moments ago. A very interesting story though about a federal
civil rights complaint filed against the Denver Public School System
because of the use extensively of race. Will TrackMan, General
counsel for Mountains States Legal Is, on the hotline and
(02:53):
we'll welcome back to the program sir.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Thank you, good morning, great to be back.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
Let's talk about this case. So again, read the headlines.
This is from the Washington Examiner. Federal civil rights complaint
filed against Denver school's over extensive use of race. Federal
civil rights complaint was filed last week. Whistleblowers exposed to
apparently extensive focus on race in all aspect of the
schools operations, and Mountain States Legal Is are part of
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this civil rights complaints. What's going on?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, well, you can't hate these guys enough. You know,
this is the Denver Public School System. I think this
is my fifth or sixth complaint against them. They're already
being actively investigated on a few other matters back from February,
where they're discriminating against white Nation students based on race.
They're discriminating against parents from joining certain school wide committees
based on race. You know, they have racial quotas for committees.
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And this is about their internal operations. So for employees
when they take training, the training asks you are you
a person of color or are you white? And depending
on your answer, you get a different training. We've got
tea is talking about how they were told to mentor
students based on race. So if there was an African
American student who wasn't struggling or a white student who was,
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they were told to mentor the African American student based
on race. So it is pervasive, it is out there,
and luckily Mountain States is on the case and it's
going to force the Biden Department of Education to investigate.
It's allies and GPS.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I'm reading of the Washington Examiner. There's actually a school
district policy called Black Excellence that there are special programs
that are available to black students, but they cannot be
made available to white or Asian students. It's a program
called Black Excellence. Am I reading this correctly?
Speaker 2 (04:42):
So the DPS has a public what I guess what
you call is commitment to Black Excellence, and so they
require every school in the district to have a Black
Excellence Plan. The government has been a little bit reluctant
to say that that is an inherent civil rights violation. Plan.
It's okay to think about how to bring up African
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American students, but once you start allocating resources differently, that's
a civil rights problem. So we found a few whistleblowers
who said, you know, there were these remedial reading programs
and I was told I can only give licenses to
African American students because of black excellence plans policies, So
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that itself is a smoking gun. That's a civil rights
violation that there's no way getting around that.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
The Washington Examiner tells a story and I'm sure this
is probably maybe one of the whistleblowers. You have. A
teacher at Northfield High School, also wanting to remain anonymous,
found extra study opportunities were afforded to non white students
over the whites and Asians. So if you wanted some
extra curricular training afterwards, extra studying, you're more likely to
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get that tutoring with as long as you weren't white.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Yeah, So the principle of Northfield was telling teachers make
sure that you blast all these resources out to your
BIPOC students. BYPOK means black, indigenous or people of color,
and so what they're doing is saying we need to
treat our students differently based on race, Remind them of
the resources that are out there, tell them different information
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than white parents and Asian parents, because those folks already
have enough resources, would be the idea. And again they're
looking at people, they're they're determining skin color, and then
they're acting differently. Again the smoking gun. I mean, this
is the kind of stuff in Browne Board of Education
the courts struck down because you can't have separate but equal,
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and here you're having separate and also not equal.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
What about these whistleblowers that came forward? You said, teachers, administrators,
how did they? How many are there? And kind of
talking about their role in getting this civil rights of
filing made against them for public schools?
Speaker 2 (06:59):
Yes, yes, teachers, Yes. Administrator is my favorite is someone
from Central Administration called me and was terrified me their
name because they fear retaliation. And if anyone listening right
now either is working for DPS or know someone is
working for DPS and wants to call me and remain
anonymous as part of this investigation, I'm more than happy
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to keep your name out of the situation. But it
is important that Denver's feet be held to the fire
and that our public school system not engage in these
massive civil rights violations. So I'm calling all whistleblowers to
give to give me a ring just to further the
evidence in the in the complaint.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
The website for you is a Mountain States Legal MS
legal dot com.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Correct ms legal dot org. Yes, M S L E
g A L dot org.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
We'll track men as a general counsel for a Mountain
States Legal. Let's talk about how long has this been
going on to the Denver Public schools. Of course, we
were a decade or so ago that our esteem Senator
Michael Bennett from Colorado was the superintendent of the Denver
Public school System. Is this a new development in recent
years new superintendent administration. How long has this been happening
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that we have those civil rights violations going on at
Denver Public schools?
Speaker 2 (08:16):
Well, we know some civil rights violations have been going
on a while. They have a contracting policy where they
have bids and they decide who's going to win the bid.
The bid and the contract guy who owns what race
the owner of the business is. That's been going on
a while. We have a separate complain about that. The
Black Excellence plant is very recent. That's under doctor Alex Lorrero,
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who just became superintendent a few years ago, and so
this has really taken off. It's a it's an upward
trajectory in terms of obsession with race and trying to
gerrymander results. Also, the school board has gotten you know,
trending trending worse. No surprise. Tay Anderson, who's no longer
on the board, you know, made race one of his
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top considerations. And so we've just seen a lot of
obsession with school board numbers with regard to race and
differences in race. So it certainly is a problem. But
you know, look, if you have students in dps, the
solution is not to pull them out and tucktail and run.
The solutions is to be a helicopter parent to check
the system and make sure that your voice is heard
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and make sure that the school has to answer to
you because you have students in the district.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Are there some schools in certain neighborhoods and the areas
that are worse. Are there's some schools that don't. This
racial stuff is not necessarily as prevalent. Is it isolated
or is it a district wide did the DPS.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
So the policies are coming from the top. It's possible
that some schools are better than others, or that some
principles are able to send off these sorts of questions
for the time being, better than others. But at the
end of the day, you need to assume, if you're
a parent DPS, that there is someone whisperinging your principal's ear. Hey,
you should think about race and treat White Nations students
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differently than than everyone else. And so it's up to you,
as someone who's involved in schools, maybe you're a volunteer,
to make sure that they have to tell you what's
going on and that they have to answer to you.
I wouldn't count on the fact that there might be
some good schools out there that haven't been impacted.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Again, will track when he's a general counsel from Mountain
States Legal. So this is a filed in the in
the federal court, a civil rights litigation violation. Walk us
through the process. What does that mean? What if it's
found to be true, is there are there damages they
have to pay? Kind of walk us through what this
process looks like. Now that the case has been filed.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So the US Department of Education, which currently isn't run
by Biden and Harris, has a civil Rights office that
takes complaints all year long. And so that's where I
used to work under President Trump and Betty de Vas.
That civil Rights office opens complaints, they investigate complaints, and
if they find that there is discrimination, they are able
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to twist the arm of the entity that was complained
about into coming into compliance. Here, we've got lots of
problems with DPS and part of the value of finding
these administrative complaints is that you've forced the Biden administration
to investigate DPLs. That is happening in several complaints already
that are been opened by the Civil Rights Office. I
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suspect this one will be opened soon. And so the
school district has to respond, produce evidence, make witnesses available,
and once they're essentially found guilty, they have to change
Otherwise they lose their federal funds, which is a major hammer.
And no school district in the country is ever willing
to get close to losing their federal funds.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
Let me ask you this. So you have the Department
of Education, which is a government bureaucracy, No matter who
was the government department that, how they enforce or what
they would find guilty or innocent, probably going to change
from a minit industration the administration leadership to leadership. How
confident are you that under the current structure and leadership
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that these will be given a fair hearing and that
changes will be required.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Yeah, well, it's a great question. I'm prepared to sue
right if these investigations don't proceed and get to the
right conclusion. The wheels of justice turns slowly, especially the
Department of Education. These are not bureaucrats that act with
lightning speed. So I'm prepared to back up these complete
administrative complaints with federal lawsuits that may be all of
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these are federal civil rights violations under Title six, which
covers schools and not discriminating based on race. So if
they want to avoid those federal lawsuits, they ought to
come into compliance based on these other complaints that I've filed.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
And so this is a complaint with the Department of Education,
and if it does not move rapidly enough or they
don't cooperate, then the next recourses a federal lawsuit. And
then I guess some of these whistleblowers become the plaintiffs
there to have standing. Is that how that would work?
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yes, yes, you know you're Benny Philowsome to me, that's
exactly right. So the uh, the plaintiffs have to have
standing and have to be you know, personally injured. Yeah.
I think it's cut and dried.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Yeah, Will TrackMan. If somebody again it works for DPSDN
for public schools and you have information about these race
based policies, it basically discriminated against Asian and white kids
and non black kids. Uh, you need to reach out
to Mountain States Legal. You can keep your name out
of it. They're just trying to further cooperate. But there's
been people already whistleblowers in central administration, Teachers, administrators reach
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out to Will TrackMan, MS legal dot org, MS legal
dot org, MS Legal, Mountain States Legal Foundation, MS legal
dot org. Hey, Will TrackMan, I appreciate you hopping on
the program this morning, kind of last minute, but I'm
glad we made it work.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, thanks to be great to always be with you.
Speaker 1 (13:58):
You got a William TrackMan under council Mountain States Legal.
You know, it's just you come back to this thing
of what part of doctor Martin Luther King Junior's dream
did we forget about It's like going back to the
Delta Airlines saying we're not going to call people ladies
and gentlemen. That's not equitable enough.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
And we.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
I said this to Steve Laughy, I always felt bad.
I felt bad for Katanji Brown Jackson. She got on
the Supreme Court. And anybody nominates the Supreme Court justice
just tell us who again. We don't have to have
the same Jurish perspective, but a Jurish paradigm. But to
pick the best person, it doesn't matter whether it's a
man or a woman, or a black person or a
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a Hispanic person or a white person. It doesn't matter
to me. Just get somebody that's the best legal mind
you can find. And when Katanji Brown Jackson got picked,
it was because the president assigned her or nominated her.
Said I am going to pick a black woman, period
the end. Well, why did you just say you're going
to pick the best person? And then if that's who
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you pick, you pick. But don't put somebody in this
label that you're only going to succeed, because I'm going
to give you a little booster chair at a head
start because of the color of your skin. What part
of doctor Martin Luther King when he said we get
to the we need to be at the place where
we judge people not by the content or the color
of their skin, but the content or their character. And
what part of the Denver Public Schools don't understand that
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we educate children whether they're white kids or Black kids,
or Asian kids or Mexican kids. It doesn't matter. You
take care of kids, you teach them, you give them.
Everybody's got to be excellent. All the students have to
be excellent. All of them need to be a grade level.
It's one race or creed or color should not get
extra benefit while the other at the expense of somebody else.
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If you can give all of them extra benefit, everybody
gets extra benefit, and it's not granted by the color
of your skin. That's a great thing about organizations like
Mountain States Legal is they take on these cases and
they fight for people, and they're fighting for kids out
there that are because the Denver Public School has said
one race should be advanced, quicker, or more focused than
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