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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mister John Williams joins me on the hotline. He is
passionate in the state of Colorado and keeping up with
this wolf reintroduction program that Jared Polus is launching, and
the voters of the Front Range decided that they would
perpetrate these wolves on the ranchers and agricultural industry up
(00:21):
in the High Country. John Williams has a Facebook page
called the Colorado Wolf Tracker. Will go to that in
just a moment. But John, welcome to the program. Thanks
for hopping on. Jimmy, John, good to have you here.
I want to ask you. We're learning that through recent
stories that the husband of the first Gentleman, the husband
(00:41):
of Jared Polus, is really wanting his legacy to be
in making sure that these wolves are protected even after
Jared Poulus leaves. Talk about this legacy of wanting to wolves,
what's the real legacy That may be they want Jared
to be seen as this animal rights guy, but the
real legacy these wolf are leaving is is not helpful
(01:02):
to the ranchers in the High country especially. Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, Jimmy, this whole reintroduction program has been a disaster.
I think the voters were sold.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
To bill of goods.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They were told that, you know, these rules will be released,
They're going to go out and kill sickly elk and
you know, rainbows and unicorns, and it's been anything about that.
Since the release, We've had multiple cattle, sheep and even
a lama killed in Elbert County, and the ranchers in
(01:36):
Graham County and Jackson County and Route County are really hurting.
Nobody really took in to account their their needs and
their livelihoods. And it's I mean, if you followed your
show or the press, it seems like every other day
we're seeing another story about a dead wolf or a
dead tower, or a dead sheep, and it's just not
(01:59):
gone to work that it was laid out to be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Tell about if these ranchers have one of their part
of their livestock killed, is there any compensation? Is there
anything that they can access? I mean, is it too little?
I mean, just talk about that if the if a
rancher says, hey, a wolf killed one of my calves,
what do they do?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, there is a compensation program in place, but the
bar to cross to prove that a wolf killed your
livestock is very high, and basically what happens is if
a rancher reports, hey, I've had a sheep or a
cow killed Colorada Parks and Wildlife, the conservation officer will
(02:42):
come out, they'll take a look at the seam, they'll
skin the animal, they'll look for certain characteristics and then
say yeah, yes or no. What ranswers are telling me
is they're having animals killed that they don't find for
a few days. I mean, when you're grazing on tens
of thousands of acres of land, you're not going to
see every one of your lives stock every day or
every week for that matter. And the CPW has been
(03:06):
pretty stingy about confirming these kills. Ranchers are telling me
that probably there's twice as many kills out there is
what the CPW is confirming. And then the paperwork burden
for them to fill out the paperwork to go out
and find comfortable animals that the value of them that
(03:28):
they have to document on these forms. It's incredibly difficult.
And these ranchers are already busy, whether it's with caving
or fencing, those sorts of things, so it's an added
burden to them on top of a you know, what's
a twenty four to seven jobs. So it's difficult and
(03:49):
it's a burden that they really shouldn't have to comply with.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
John Williams is my guest kind of on a wolf
tracker on the Facebook. If you want to join that group,
it is a private group keep out the spammers and
the scammers. You can join it. Look it up and
then just answer a couple of questions and you can
perhaps become a member if you want to follow it.
You talked about wolf tracker. Obviously, that's the name of
the Facebook page. I'm guessing a lot of these farmers,
(04:14):
ranchers yourself are tracking and trying to figure out where
these wolves are so that you know, hey, they're in
your vicinity. Where are the wolves? And how many do
we know we're out there out there right now in
the mountains.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, that's the thing, Jimmy. The CPW, Color Parks and
Wildlife have been very secretive with sharing locations of wolves,
and as of right now, we've had three of the
wolves that three of the ten wolves that were released
that were brought in from Oregon are dead wolves twenty
(04:49):
three oh nine, twenty three oh seven, and twenty three three.
We know one was killed by a Mountain Wine and
Larammer County. The other two were waiting on the autopsy results.
There's five wolves in custody and I don't know whether
the term to use in an undisclosed location in the state.
That is twenty three twelve. It's a female woof in
(05:11):
her four cups. They're basically being fed roadkill and scraps
from slaughterhouses, is what I understand, and we don't know
if they'll ever be released. And then we've got a
couple of wooves that came or we have one whist
that came down from Wyoming and was creating habit in
Jackson County. They had a litter. We've got one of
(05:31):
the one of the woods from that litter. In my
understanding is they've gone down and joined the Oregon loaves
in Grand County. So it's a real mess and it
just shows you should illustrate the futility of humans trying
to control mother nature. This doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, why did they have these I'm curious, why do
they have this mother and her pups in in captivity?
Any word on that?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I mean, yeah, it was it was Jimmy, It was
a Copper Creek pack and they were killing multiple sheep
in Grand County, really causing a lot of havoc there.
And after I think it was thirteen sheep were killed
in a two day period, the CPW only confirmed eight
(06:15):
of them. Basically, it was untenable. It was either killed
the wolves or put them in custody. Now, the final
woof management plan didn't call for relocation. It basically said,
if you had wolves that are depredating on cattle, they
should be lethally removed. And that's what's being done in
(06:35):
the states of Washington and Oregon when they have those
sorts of comblems. So they basically wrote their own playbook
and decided, oh, we're going to put them in some
sort of facility. We don't have tranformation, but I believe
they're down in the animal Refuge SAD near Springfield, Colorado.
CPW won't tell us we've reached out, they've clammed up.
(06:58):
You know, they're not telling us, and we know they've
got a taste for livestock, so they're not going to
be They should not be released again because they're going
to go back and do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So Washington and Oregon have their policy that if they
start doing that, you lethally exterminate the animal. But for
some reason in Colorado, we'd decided to relocate them and
put them somewhere else and maybe raise them the rest
of their life. That why do you think Colorado? Is
that a decision that comes from the animal rights activist
that Marlin or Jared or is that CPWAN? Where does
(07:33):
that come from?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm not a conspiracy theorist team me, but when I
saw those emails that nine News came up with Aaron
Adelson's report, it was a shocker to me. How involved
that Marvin Reese is in this this whole thing. And
we've gound a look at for perspective. The CPW has
been successfully managing wildlife in Colorado for over a hundred years,
(07:57):
and they've got really good people biologists that Marian's conservation
officers to do an excellent job. Somebody came in and said, hey,
it'd be cool if we have woods, and it's totally
upset the appli cart and I think it's got to
be the governor and Marlin Mariis have said, look, even
though the plan says that we can leaf, we reverew
(08:18):
these bad actors. We're not going to do that. And
it's just it plors me that that a couple of
people can put their thumb on the scale like that
and basically wipe out the recommendations of the stakeholder Advisory Group,
a technical working group with experts on what biology. It's
(08:39):
just not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
John Williams, if folks want to follow, I know there's
a lot of folks that that are hopefully starting to
wake up about this problem that has been created by
the bill of goods. The voters were sold and now
it's continued to be exacerbated by the engagement and the
dedication to the to the faulty science. Marlon Reads and
Jared Poulos. If folks want to join the Colorado Wolf
(09:03):
Tracker group, they can find you on Facebook. Is that correct.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Exactly? And we've got seventy five hundred members on the page.
We started at December the fifteenth, right before the first release,
and I've been really gratified by how many people have joined.
And whether you're pro wolf, your anti wolf, or you're
somewhere in between, we welcome everybody. I try to do
a good job of, you know, eliminating the trolls and
(09:29):
you know, having healthy discussion and if you want to
come join, please do and learn more about it. It's
interesting when I have a series of questions, like you said,
you keep the spammers and scammers out, and there's a
lot of people I asked them, why are you interested
in this? In you know, the wolf introduction, A lot
of people say, I don't know much about it, and
I'm curious, and I think a lot of those people
(09:51):
voted for the wolf introduction and now they're finding out
that this is not what I voted for.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
John Williams, look up Colorada Wolf Tracker real quick. I've
got to run here, but there's another batch of wolves
I guess going to be important from Canada. Do we
have a time frame and a location on that real quick?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. They're supposed to be brought down from British Columbia
the first reintroduction sometime in the December twenty twenty four
time frame. I've been reaching out to their Natural Resources
Ministry trying to get the message up to them. It's
going to impact farmers, ranchers, are indigenous people the Ute
(10:29):
Mountain and the Southern Ute Tribe, and I haven't gotten
any responses back yet, but we're working it so amy.
Lestitors in Canada, give me a call and we'll talk.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
John Williams, I appreciate it. I got it run. We'll
do it again real soon. Thanks for the information, John Williams.
Looking up Colorado wolftracker on Facebook you can join the group.
Everybody stand by. Final break of the day, six hundred
KCl
Mister John Williams joins me on the hotline. He is
passionate in the state of Colorado and keeping up with
this wolf reintroduction program that Jared Polus is launching, and
the voters of the Front Range decided that they would
perpetrate these wolves on the ranchers and agricultural industry up
(00:21):
in the High Country. John Williams has a Facebook page
called the Colorado Wolf Tracker. Will go to that in
just a moment. But John, welcome to the program. Thanks
for hopping on. Jimmy, John, good to have you here.
I want to ask you. We're learning that through recent
stories that the husband of the first Gentleman, the husband
(00:41):
of Jared Polus, is really wanting his legacy to be
in making sure that these wolves are protected even after
Jared Poulus leaves. Talk about this legacy of wanting to wolves,
what's the real legacy That may be they want Jared
to be seen as this animal rights guy, but the
real legacy these wolf are leaving is is not helpful
(01:02):
to the ranchers in the High country especially. Talk about that.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, Jimmy, this whole reintroduction program has been a disaster.
I think the voters were sold.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
To bill of goods.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
They were told that, you know, these rules will be released,
They're going to go out and kill sickly elk and
you know, rainbows and unicorns, and it's been anything about that.
Since the release, We've had multiple cattle, sheep and even
a lama killed in Elbert County, and the ranchers in
(01:36):
Graham County and Jackson County and Route County are really hurting.
Nobody really took in to account their their needs and
their livelihoods. And it's I mean, if you followed your
show or the press, it seems like every other day
we're seeing another story about a dead wolf or a
dead tower, or a dead sheep, and it's just not
(01:59):
gone to work that it was laid out to be.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Tell about if these ranchers have one of their part
of their livestock killed, is there any compensation? Is there
anything that they can access? I mean, is it too little?
I mean, just talk about that if the if a
rancher says, hey, a wolf killed one of my calves,
what do they do?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Well, there is a compensation program in place, but the
bar to cross to prove that a wolf killed your
livestock is very high, and basically what happens is if
a rancher reports, hey, I've had a sheep or a
cow killed Colorada Parks and Wildlife, the conservation officer will
(02:42):
come out, they'll take a look at the seam, they'll
skin the animal, they'll look for certain characteristics and then
say yeah, yes or no. What ranswers are telling me
is they're having animals killed that they don't find for
a few days. I mean, when you're grazing on tens
of thousands of acres of land, you're not going to
see every one of your lives stock every day or
every week for that matter. And the CPW has been
(03:06):
pretty stingy about confirming these kills. Ranchers are telling me
that probably there's twice as many kills out there is
what the CPW is confirming. And then the paperwork burden
for them to fill out the paperwork to go out
and find comfortable animals that the value of them that
(03:28):
they have to document on these forms. It's incredibly difficult.
And these ranchers are already busy, whether it's with caving
or fencing, those sorts of things, so it's an added
burden to them on top of a you know, what's
a twenty four to seven jobs. So it's difficult and
(03:49):
it's a burden that they really shouldn't have to comply with.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
John Williams is my guest kind of on a wolf
tracker on the Facebook. If you want to join that group,
it is a private group keep out the spammers and
the scammers. You can join it. Look it up and
then just answer a couple of questions and you can
perhaps become a member if you want to follow it.
You talked about wolf tracker. Obviously, that's the name of
the Facebook page. I'm guessing a lot of these farmers,
(04:14):
ranchers yourself are tracking and trying to figure out where
these wolves are so that you know, hey, they're in
your vicinity. Where are the wolves? And how many do
we know we're out there out there right now in
the mountains.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
Well, that's the thing, Jimmy. The CPW, Color Parks and
Wildlife have been very secretive with sharing locations of wolves,
and as of right now, we've had three of the
wolves that three of the ten wolves that were released
that were brought in from Oregon are dead wolves twenty
(04:49):
three oh nine, twenty three oh seven, and twenty three three.
We know one was killed by a Mountain Wine and
Larammer County. The other two were waiting on the autopsy results.
There's five wolves in custody and I don't know whether
the term to use in an undisclosed location in the state.
That is twenty three twelve. It's a female woof in
(05:11):
her four cups. They're basically being fed roadkill and scraps
from slaughterhouses, is what I understand, and we don't know
if they'll ever be released. And then we've got a
couple of wooves that came or we have one whist
that came down from Wyoming and was creating habit in
Jackson County. They had a litter. We've got one of
(05:31):
the one of the woods from that litter. In my
understanding is they've gone down and joined the Oregon loaves
in Grand County. So it's a real mess and it
just shows you should illustrate the futility of humans trying
to control mother nature. This doesn't work.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, why did they have these I'm curious, why do
they have this mother and her pups in in captivity?
Any word on that?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
I mean, yeah, it was it was Jimmy, It was
a Copper Creek pack and they were killing multiple sheep
in Grand County, really causing a lot of havoc there.
And after I think it was thirteen sheep were killed
in a two day period, the CPW only confirmed eight
(06:15):
of them. Basically, it was untenable. It was either killed
the wolves or put them in custody. Now, the final
woof management plan didn't call for relocation. It basically said,
if you had wolves that are depredating on cattle, they
should be lethally removed. And that's what's being done in
(06:35):
the states of Washington and Oregon when they have those
sorts of comblems. So they basically wrote their own playbook
and decided, oh, we're going to put them in some
sort of facility. We don't have tranformation, but I believe
they're down in the animal Refuge SAD near Springfield, Colorado.
CPW won't tell us we've reached out, they've clammed up.
(06:58):
You know, they're not telling us, and we know they've
got a taste for livestock, so they're not going to
be They should not be released again because they're going
to go back and do the exact same thing.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
So Washington and Oregon have their policy that if they
start doing that, you lethally exterminate the animal. But for
some reason in Colorado, we'd decided to relocate them and
put them somewhere else and maybe raise them the rest
of their life. That why do you think Colorado? Is
that a decision that comes from the animal rights activist
that Marlin or Jared or is that CPWAN? Where does
(07:33):
that come from?
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I'm not a conspiracy theorist team me, but when I
saw those emails that nine News came up with Aaron
Adelson's report, it was a shocker to me. How involved
that Marvin Reese is in this this whole thing. And
we've gound a look at for perspective. The CPW has
been successfully managing wildlife in Colorado for over a hundred years,
(07:57):
and they've got really good people biologists that Marian's conservation
officers to do an excellent job. Somebody came in and said, hey,
it'd be cool if we have woods, and it's totally
upset the appli cart and I think it's got to
be the governor and Marlin Mariis have said, look, even
though the plan says that we can leaf, we reverew
(08:18):
these bad actors. We're not going to do that. And
it's just it plors me that that a couple of
people can put their thumb on the scale like that
and basically wipe out the recommendations of the stakeholder Advisory Group,
a technical working group with experts on what biology. It's
(08:39):
just not acceptable.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
John Williams, if folks want to follow, I know there's
a lot of folks that that are hopefully starting to
wake up about this problem that has been created by
the bill of goods. The voters were sold and now
it's continued to be exacerbated by the engagement and the
dedication to the to the faulty science. Marlon Reads and
Jared Poulos. If folks want to join the Colorado Wolf
(09:03):
Tracker group, they can find you on Facebook. Is that correct.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Exactly? And we've got seventy five hundred members on the page.
We started at December the fifteenth, right before the first release,
and I've been really gratified by how many people have joined.
And whether you're pro wolf, your anti wolf, or you're
somewhere in between, we welcome everybody. I try to do
a good job of, you know, eliminating the trolls and
(09:29):
you know, having healthy discussion and if you want to
come join, please do and learn more about it. It's
interesting when I have a series of questions, like you said,
you keep the spammers and scammers out, and there's a
lot of people I asked them, why are you interested
in this? In you know, the wolf introduction, A lot
of people say, I don't know much about it, and
I'm curious, and I think a lot of those people
(09:51):
voted for the wolf introduction and now they're finding out
that this is not what I voted for.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
John Williams, look up Colorada Wolf Tracker real quick. I've
got to run here, but there's another batch of wolves
I guess going to be important from Canada. Do we
have a time frame and a location on that real quick?
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah. They're supposed to be brought down from British Columbia
the first reintroduction sometime in the December twenty twenty four
time frame. I've been reaching out to their Natural Resources
Ministry trying to get the message up to them. It's
going to impact farmers, ranchers, are indigenous people the Ute
(10:29):
Mountain and the Southern Ute Tribe, and I haven't gotten
any responses back yet, but we're working it so amy.
Lestitors in Canada, give me a call and we'll talk.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
John Williams, I appreciate it. I got it run. We'll
do it again real soon. Thanks for the information, John Williams.
Looking up Colorado wolftracker on Facebook you can join the group.
Everybody stand by. Final break of the day, six hundred
KCl
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