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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've been looking forward to for a while. It has
nothing well, it might have something to do the election,
but not really. It's about the JFK assassination. Always a
fun topic to discuss and look into. Matt Crumpton is
the co author of brand new book. We'll get to
that here in just a moment. Good morning, everybody. Good
to have you here. The originating date of this broadcast.
(00:22):
If you're listening in real time, you know it's Monday, October,
the fourteenth Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. If
you're listening on a different date, that means you're listening
to what we call a podcast. It's an amazing thing
that happens. And on the iHeartRadio app you type in
Jimmy Lakey and there's a couple of podcasts, including this one,
which is called the Laky Effect Podcast and that's a
rehash up my radio show, which is live. And so
(00:44):
if you're listening, today's fourteenth of October, Year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty four. If you're listening at a different time,
Hello from the past. I hope you're doing good in
the future, and hope everything's working out well. All right,
let's switch gears here if we may want to bring
in Matt Crumpton. He's a co author of a new
book called The jfk Assassination. Chull colds that inescapably proved
(01:06):
there was a conspiracy. First of all, Matt, good morning,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hey, Jimmy, thanks for having me on. Pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I appreciate it. I said, this didn't really have
a lot to do with the presidential election, but a
couple of weeks ago Robert F. Kennedy suspended his presidential
campaign endorsed Donald Trump, and Kennedy joined Trump on the stage. Anyway,
they kind of talked a little bit about and Trump's
talking about this before the records the hidden things about
the Kennedy assassination that have never been revealed, and Trump
(01:36):
declassified some of them a couple of years ago when
he was in office, but not all of them. Now
you've written a book on it. The chull holds that
inescapably proved there was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy
there is that why they won't release all the documents
about what happened there, because they're trying to cover up
some alphabet soup agency getting involved here.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, it's kind of hard to say until we know
it's actually in the documents. I mean, there are a
couple issues there. One is that we still have, you know,
around four thousand documents that are completely classified. We have
no idea what's in them. And the other thing is
there have been many many declassified documents since the Assassination
(02:17):
Records Review Board, the group that was charged with making
sure these documents were declassified in the nineties. You know,
they concluded their work in nineteen ninety eight, and there
were still a lot of documents that ten have been released.
Many of those documents point to the CIA having a
relationship with odd Wald. So yes, we need the documents
to be declassified, but we need a full blown reinvestigation
(02:40):
to look at the evidence, the body of evidence as
we know it now based on everything that's been declassified.
That's really one of the things we're looking for in
the book, and we just kind of lay out the
ten bodies of evidence where it's very clear that there
was a conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Now, you know what's frightening is pretty much anybody that's
named that might have been a conspirator conspirator they have
probably passed on. Right now, the only reason I can
think of that you would maybe not declassify this stuff
is because you're trying to protect some kind of entity
of government. I mean, the human beings involved in this
are pretty much either passed on or there towards the
(03:16):
later stages of life. We're sixty something years away from
this and still no information. Is there anybody in Washington
d C? I mean, I know Trump's talked about it,
RFK Junior's talked about it. Is there anybody that's willing
to really look at this or is it all just
lip service?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah? I mean, first of all, the you know, it's
everybody in theory wants full disclosure and everybody wants transparency,
and you would think that everyone would be on board.
But you know, Trump had an opportunity in his first
term to declassify the documents. You didn't. Biden didn't declassify
the documents. Kamala Harris doesn't even discuss it. It's not
(03:58):
even on her radar. But I think as the assassination
attempts plural on Trump, that's perhaps changed his view. I
think RFK may have changed his view into looking back
into these. You could also argue that, you know, maybe
he has less or less to lose this time around.
But you know, we'll see what happened. Somebody needs to
do something because the American people, you know, the vast majority,
(04:19):
believed that there were multiple shooters, and you know, if
that's the case, then there was a conspiracy. Even the
Hustle Ate Committee on Assassination is the last governmental body
to look at this in nineteen seventy eight, said that,
you know, Oswald likely did it, like the Warren report side,
but then some random person shot from the front. They messed.
We don't know who it was. So we need resolution
(04:40):
and hopefully, you know, Trump said he would do that.
It would be great if he gets in there, if he.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Does it, the voice of the voice, excuse me, the
voice of Matt Crumpton. He's a co author of book
called the JFK Assassination Choke Holds. And you mentioned that
there's ten bodies of evidence that you guys have laid
out in this book, and don't you to kind of
give us an overview. What are those ten bodies of
evidence that you present to the reader of the book
(05:06):
that lay out the case that hey, we've got enough
evidence here in these ten bodies to these ten areas
that merit opening a new investigation.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Sure. Yeah, So, first of all, when we look at
the people who were involved in the investigations, people who
are on the war In Commission, the various Congressional committees,
including the Houselist Committee on Assassinations, people who were, you know,
on the Assassination Records Review Board of VAST. I don't
know if the majority, a large, large number of those
(05:36):
investigators confirmed that the Warring Commission got it wrong in
some way. Many of them say that there was a conspiracy.
Os The second thing, Oswald had indisputable connections to intelligence agencies.
That is now something that cannot be disputed. We can
talk about that more, But long story short, his files
were routed within the CIA all the way to the
(05:58):
top the Office of Security. They should have gone to
the Soviet Russia Division, but they didn't. There's there's no
counterpoints as to why that was. Oswald was impersonated on
numerous occasions. Uh, there's there's many many times he's impersonated,
and we don't venture to guess, you know, what that means.
But clearly the fact of being impersonated, Uh, that's that's
(06:18):
a strange, you know, the oddity in connection with this case,
Oswald could not.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So when you say when you say he was impersonated,
you mean before the assassination, their documents or something show
that people were impersonating pretending to be him.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, there are several dozen instances of impersonations. And so
what I mean by that is someone saying, hey, I
saw this guy who looks like Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay,
so there's that, Yeah, it looks like him. But then
they add additional corroborating facts. I saw a guy who
looked like Oswald and he was talking about his time
in the Marines and when he served in Japan and
(06:55):
when he was in the Soviet Union and his Russian wives.
You know, like it goes into super deep tail and
it seems like someone is trying to make it appear
that Oswald was doing these other things. He's always doing
things that are you know, procastro or make it look
like he's about to kill the president. And we had
these FBI reports is what most of them is where
we get this information from. And we know that the
(07:18):
real Oswald at the time was with his wife and
kid in Irving, Texas at Ruth Pinsh House, or he
was working at the school book depository, so can't be
in two places at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Let me ask you, obviously, Lee Harvey Oswald was shot
shortly after the assassination. In your estimation, do we know
was Jack Ruby just a guy that kind of screwed
the whole investigation up? And because Jack Ruby acted alone,
we'll never kind of know what Lee Harvey Oswald was thinking?
Or do you believe that Jack Ruby he had some
(07:53):
ties to the mafia, He had a bar in Dallas.
Was Jack Ruby part of the plot because he wouldn't
really speak until his until he expired in prison, I
mean he was quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah. I mean there's certainly a lot of a lot
on the Jack Ruby mob tide. I mean Jack Ruby
was running guns to Cuba as another thing that people
don't really know about Jack Ruby to talk about a lot.
I mean, the biggest arguments for why it wasn't just
done so you know, the argument is, oh, Ruby just suddenly,
in a fit of passion, decided I should really go
(08:25):
kill Oswald And it was minutes after he had wired
a stripper of his money at the Western Union, and
the Western Union story is meant to say, Look, he
wouldn't be wiring money at Western Union if he was
planning on killing Oswald. Well, it turns out, according to
the stripper, that Ruby set that whole Western Union charade
(08:47):
up with her and he said, Hey, I'm gonna send
you money via Western Union. She didn't need money for
you know, she's being paid, you know, in the normal
course of things. The next day. And then the other
thing was Ruby is there's a great video him. Someone
asked him what happens is during his appeal process after
he'd already been arrested, and he says, the people who
are behind this will never let the truth come out.
(09:09):
He goes all the way to the top. There's a conspiracy.
I mean, I don't know, I mean he admits it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So the voice of Matt Crumpton, co author of a
book called The jfk Assassination cholkekolds Obviously, we've been told
that we're supposed to believe the single shooter theory that
Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth four this school book
depository in Dallas shot. It was one that he made
the shot. He made the kill shot. End of story.
(09:34):
Everybody moved right along here.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What is your.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Biggest problem with that single shooter theory that we have
been told almost kind of the official narrative. What's your
biggest problem with that?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, there's a couple of it. So Oswald couldn't
have been on the sixth floor when the shots were fired. Now,
the only witness who says they saw Oswald in the
sixth floor was standing across the street a ground level
looking up into a window, right, so tough to see.
And then the night of the assassination, this guy said, no,
that wasn't him. I don't recognize him. Then he changed
(10:07):
his mind later. That's their star witness to put out
his walk there. You know, the medical evidence is a
big part of it. I mean, here's the main thing
in the JFK assassination. And this is a split point.
This is why a lot of people do believe Oswald
I to the loom. You got to make a choice either.
Forty three medical professionals, including most of the folks at
Parkland Hospital and a few people at Bethesda, that were
(10:29):
there for the autopsy, forty three of them. Their first
statement on the record as to JFK's head wound is
that he had a large wound in the right rear
of his head. Forty three. So either all forty three
are mistaken or lying, or the autopsy which says that
the right rear of his head has been perfectly fine conditioned,
(10:50):
there's no injury in the right rear of his head,
then the autopsy is forged. You got to pick and
that's that's tough. That's a tough mental exercise because for
three people, what are they going to It's almost more
conspiratorial to say that forty three people got together to
make something up, right, But then again, it's like hard
to believe that the government will go to that trouble
to forge the autopsy. That's pretty nefarious. When we zoom
(11:13):
into it even further, we find that there are reasons
to believe there was a forged autopsy, including the photographer
of the autopsy says it's not the pictures he took
and he used different camps, different the photo paper. The
woman who processed the photos says that it's not the
(11:34):
same paper she used, and it's not what she saw,
and it's not the autopsy that she participated in. This
is what she said under oath to the Assassination Record
Review Board. There there are a number of other things
you can really get into the weeds. But there's there's
a little there, there's smoke there, and I'll say this too.
Let me just add you know, I get why a
lot of people think Oswald acted alone. If you just
(11:55):
look at the top level story and you don't zoom
into each individual assertion effect, it's easy to just say, hey,
I've lacked it alone. And there's a lot of evidence
against thought. There is. But my contention is that when
you look at that evidence, especially given all of the
declassified documents, it becomes clear that everything falls apart at
the House of Cards.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let me ask you, how many people do you think
are how it's a lot easier to believe that Oswald
acted alone. Let's move right along, because if it was
the mafia, that means the bad guy's got away with
something very nefarious in nineteen sixty three. If it was
some people, say the CIA, or the military, or somebody
in what we would now call the deep state, that means, basically,
(12:36):
in nineteen sixty three, there was a coup in America
that took out an American president. And maybe it's just
easier for us to believe the single shooter theory than
to believe that that type of thing happened in nineteen
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Your thoughts, Yes, I think you're right. I think I
mean a lot of people, you know, when you get
into this world of studying this intentionally, it's a lot
of it's kind of a metaphor of politics. People who
think there's a conspiracy don't like the people that think
gods will it acted alone, and vice versa, and they
both just go to these things of like, oh, you
can't handle the truth, so you make up these falsas well.
(13:11):
You can really argue that on both sides. But I
think this is just speaks to, you know, why we
need to reinvestigate or reassess the status of this given
all of the declassified documents. I mean, the mafia, certainly
it has some involvement, but the military controlled the autopsy.
(13:34):
And I'm telling you that if there's a conspiracy, you're
signing up for the autopsy sports So the military has
to have involvement in some way regarding the autopsy. If
you think there's a conspiracy, that's that's impossible to get around,
and that's that's tough. So we you know, again, that's
that's why we wrote this book and why we just
want to raise awareness and people to know that this
(13:54):
is not a result issue. It's not a subtled issue.
You can't just jump to, oh the CIA did it.
You got to really show your work. But like I
was saying, there's now very clear evidence that Oswald was
a CIA asset and also an FBI in format.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So let me ask you. Matt Crumpton, By the way,
my guest co author a book called The JFK Assassination
choke Holds and choke Holds it inescapably proved there was
a conspiracy. If you want to look up the website,
it's JFK Chokeholds dot com. JFK Chokeholds dot com. Learn
more about the book and also the books available Amazon Books,
(14:31):
Barnes and Noble. And again it's called The JFK Assassination
Choke Holds and you can find a copy of it
at a store near you. Let me ask you. You
say there's choke holds. Are any of these choke holds
that you present are any of them what we would
consider new evidence? Or do you believe all the evidence
is on the table and we just need to relook
at it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's really it's really all the I mean, I would say,
all the evidence being on the table, we need to
re look at it. That's that's probably the main thing.
The two areas that this book does a really nice
job that I've never seen any other book do. And
that is the first chapter that talks about the commitment.
You know, all the various insiders who came forward at
different times to say, hey, something wasn't right here. You know, hey,
(15:12):
this this isn't what we said it was right. So
that's one thing. And the other thing is chapter ten
of the book covers all of the obstruction of justice.
You know, when the case is trying to be investigated,
things just keep turning up missing. Here's two super cosd examples.
The guy who was who was the CIA's liaison to
the House Led Committee Assassinations in nineteen seventy eight. He
(15:35):
was supposed to have, you know, no relationship to any
anything that had to do with the case. Well, it
turns out he oversaw the group that Oswald was trying
to infiltrate in New Orleans. Right, So this guy and
he just lied to the to the HSCA. So that's
one huge things. George, Joe and Edie, that's one big
thing has come through. Another thing is in nineteen ninety six,
(15:58):
the Assassination Records of your Board requested the subpoena the
documents from the Secret Service related to Kennedy at nineteen
sixty three Fall Motor KDE security. They wanted to see,
you know, what the security plans like in all the
other cities so that we can compare it to Dallas.
After their request had been made, the Secret Service notified
the ARRB that they had destroyed all of the documents
(16:21):
after their request was made. So the point is it's
not a fair fight, and they're cheating and no one cares.
Last question, we should be very upset about this.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The website is called JFK Chokeholds dot com. The name
of the book is j the JFK Assassination choke Holds.
Look it up available real quickly twenty seconds. I'll ask
you this question. You mentioned a lot of things have
been destroyed. Is that going to end up causing us
to always be in a kerfuffle over this? What really
happened because we don't really have some of the evidence
(16:53):
has been destroyed. Or do you think we can get
to the bottom of it real quick?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes to some extent it's but there's enough to come
out that it can show what happened, especially Oswald's ties
the CIA.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Matt Crumpton, I appreciate you hopping on the program. Thank
you very much again. The name of the book, the
JFK Assassination Choke Holds. The website JFK Chokeholds dot Com.
JFK chokeholds dot Com. Everybody stand by Lakey on the
radio six hundred KC O L
I've been looking forward to for a while. It has
nothing well, it might have something to do the election,
but not really. It's about the JFK assassination. Always a
fun topic to discuss and look into. Matt Crumpton is
the co author of brand new book. We'll get to
that here in just a moment. Good morning, everybody. Good
to have you here. The originating date of this broadcast.
(00:22):
If you're listening in real time, you know it's Monday, October,
the fourteenth Year of Our Lord, twenty twenty four. If
you're listening on a different date, that means you're listening
to what we call a podcast. It's an amazing thing
that happens. And on the iHeartRadio app you type in
Jimmy Lakey and there's a couple of podcasts, including this one,
which is called the Laky Effect Podcast and that's a
rehash up my radio show, which is live. And so
(00:44):
if you're listening, today's fourteenth of October, Year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty four. If you're listening at a different time,
Hello from the past. I hope you're doing good in
the future, and hope everything's working out well. All right,
let's switch gears here if we may want to bring
in Matt Crumpton. He's a co author of a new
book called The jfk Assassination. Chull colds that inescapably proved
(01:06):
there was a conspiracy. First of all, Matt, good morning,
Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Hey, Jimmy, thanks for having me on. Pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Well, I appreciate it. I said, this didn't really have
a lot to do with the presidential election, but a
couple of weeks ago Robert F. Kennedy suspended his presidential
campaign endorsed Donald Trump, and Kennedy joined Trump on the stage. Anyway,
they kind of talked a little bit about and Trump's
talking about this before the records the hidden things about
the Kennedy assassination that have never been revealed, and Trump
(01:36):
declassified some of them a couple of years ago when
he was in office, but not all of them. Now
you've written a book on it. The chull holds that
inescapably proved there was a conspiracy. There was a conspiracy
there is that why they won't release all the documents
about what happened there, because they're trying to cover up
some alphabet soup agency getting involved here.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Well, it's kind of hard to say until we know
it's actually in the documents. I mean, there are a
couple issues there. One is that we still have, you know,
around four thousand documents that are completely classified. We have
no idea what's in them. And the other thing is
there have been many many declassified documents since the Assassination
(02:17):
Records Review Board, the group that was charged with making
sure these documents were declassified in the nineties. You know,
they concluded their work in nineteen ninety eight, and there
were still a lot of documents that ten have been released.
Many of those documents point to the CIA having a
relationship with odd Wald. So yes, we need the documents
to be declassified, but we need a full blown reinvestigation
(02:40):
to look at the evidence, the body of evidence as
we know it now based on everything that's been declassified.
That's really one of the things we're looking for in
the book, and we just kind of lay out the
ten bodies of evidence where it's very clear that there
was a conspiracy.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
Now, you know what's frightening is pretty much anybody that's
named that might have been a conspirator conspirator they have
probably passed on. Right now, the only reason I can
think of that you would maybe not declassify this stuff
is because you're trying to protect some kind of entity
of government. I mean, the human beings involved in this
are pretty much either passed on or there towards the
(03:16):
later stages of life. We're sixty something years away from
this and still no information. Is there anybody in Washington
d C? I mean, I know Trump's talked about it,
RFK Junior's talked about it. Is there anybody that's willing
to really look at this or is it all just
lip service?
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah? I mean, first of all, the you know, it's
everybody in theory wants full disclosure and everybody wants transparency,
and you would think that everyone would be on board.
But you know, Trump had an opportunity in his first
term to declassify the documents. You didn't. Biden didn't declassify
the documents. Kamala Harris doesn't even discuss it. It's not
(03:58):
even on her radar. But I think as the assassination
attempts plural on Trump, that's perhaps changed his view. I
think RFK may have changed his view into looking back
into these. You could also argue that, you know, maybe
he has less or less to lose this time around.
But you know, we'll see what happened. Somebody needs to
do something because the American people, you know, the vast majority,
(04:19):
believed that there were multiple shooters, and you know, if
that's the case, then there was a conspiracy. Even the
Hustle Ate Committee on Assassination is the last governmental body
to look at this in nineteen seventy eight, said that,
you know, Oswald likely did it, like the Warren report side,
but then some random person shot from the front. They messed.
We don't know who it was. So we need resolution
(04:40):
and hopefully, you know, Trump said he would do that.
It would be great if he gets in there, if he.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Does it, the voice of the voice, excuse me, the
voice of Matt Crumpton. He's a co author of book
called the JFK Assassination Choke Holds. And you mentioned that
there's ten bodies of evidence that you guys have laid
out in this book, and don't you to kind of
give us an overview. What are those ten bodies of
evidence that you present to the reader of the book
(05:06):
that lay out the case that hey, we've got enough
evidence here in these ten bodies to these ten areas
that merit opening a new investigation.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Sure. Yeah, So, first of all, when we look at
the people who were involved in the investigations, people who
are on the war In Commission, the various Congressional committees,
including the Houselist Committee on Assassinations, people who were, you know,
on the Assassination Records Review Board of VAST. I don't
know if the majority, a large, large number of those
(05:36):
investigators confirmed that the Warring Commission got it wrong in
some way. Many of them say that there was a conspiracy.
Os The second thing, Oswald had indisputable connections to intelligence agencies.
That is now something that cannot be disputed. We can
talk about that more, But long story short, his files
were routed within the CIA all the way to the
(05:58):
top the Office of Security. They should have gone to
the Soviet Russia Division, but they didn't. There's there's no
counterpoints as to why that was. Oswald was impersonated on
numerous occasions. Uh, there's there's many many times he's impersonated,
and we don't venture to guess, you know, what that means.
But clearly the fact of being impersonated, Uh, that's that's
(06:18):
a strange, you know, the oddity in connection with this case,
Oswald could not.
Speaker 1 (06:25):
So when you say when you say he was impersonated,
you mean before the assassination, their documents or something show
that people were impersonating pretending to be him.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
Yes, there are several dozen instances of impersonations. And so
what I mean by that is someone saying, hey, I
saw this guy who looks like Lee Harvey Oswald. Okay,
so there's that, Yeah, it looks like him. But then
they add additional corroborating facts. I saw a guy who
looked like Oswald and he was talking about his time
in the Marines and when he served in Japan and
(06:55):
when he was in the Soviet Union and his Russian wives.
You know, like it goes into super deep tail and
it seems like someone is trying to make it appear
that Oswald was doing these other things. He's always doing
things that are you know, procastro or make it look
like he's about to kill the president. And we had
these FBI reports is what most of them is where
we get this information from. And we know that the
(07:18):
real Oswald at the time was with his wife and
kid in Irving, Texas at Ruth Pinsh House, or he
was working at the school book depository, so can't be
in two places at the same time.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Let me ask you, obviously, Lee Harvey Oswald was shot
shortly after the assassination. In your estimation, do we know
was Jack Ruby just a guy that kind of screwed
the whole investigation up? And because Jack Ruby acted alone,
we'll never kind of know what Lee Harvey Oswald was thinking?
Or do you believe that Jack Ruby he had some
(07:53):
ties to the mafia, He had a bar in Dallas.
Was Jack Ruby part of the plot because he wouldn't
really speak until his until he expired in prison, I
mean he was quiet.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah. I mean there's certainly a lot of a lot
on the Jack Ruby mob tide. I mean Jack Ruby
was running guns to Cuba as another thing that people
don't really know about Jack Ruby to talk about a lot.
I mean, the biggest arguments for why it wasn't just
done so you know, the argument is, oh, Ruby just suddenly,
in a fit of passion, decided I should really go
(08:25):
kill Oswald And it was minutes after he had wired
a stripper of his money at the Western Union, and
the Western Union story is meant to say, Look, he
wouldn't be wiring money at Western Union if he was
planning on killing Oswald. Well, it turns out, according to
the stripper, that Ruby set that whole Western Union charade
(08:47):
up with her and he said, Hey, I'm gonna send
you money via Western Union. She didn't need money for
you know, she's being paid, you know, in the normal
course of things. The next day. And then the other
thing was Ruby is there's a great video him. Someone
asked him what happens is during his appeal process after
he'd already been arrested, and he says, the people who
are behind this will never let the truth come out.
(09:09):
He goes all the way to the top. There's a conspiracy.
I mean, I don't know, I mean he admits it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
So the voice of Matt Crumpton, co author of a
book called The jfk Assassination cholkekolds Obviously, we've been told
that we're supposed to believe the single shooter theory that
Lee Harvey Oswald from the sixth four this school book
depository in Dallas shot. It was one that he made
the shot. He made the kill shot. End of story.
(09:34):
Everybody moved right along here.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
What is your.
Speaker 1 (09:37):
Biggest problem with that single shooter theory that we have
been told almost kind of the official narrative. What's your
biggest problem with that?
Speaker 2 (09:46):
I mean, there's a couple of it. So Oswald couldn't
have been on the sixth floor when the shots were fired. Now,
the only witness who says they saw Oswald in the
sixth floor was standing across the street a ground level
looking up into a window, right, so tough to see.
And then the night of the assassination, this guy said, no,
that wasn't him. I don't recognize him. Then he changed
(10:07):
his mind later. That's their star witness to put out
his walk there. You know, the medical evidence is a
big part of it. I mean, here's the main thing
in the JFK assassination. And this is a split point.
This is why a lot of people do believe Oswald
I to the loom. You got to make a choice either.
Forty three medical professionals, including most of the folks at
Parkland Hospital and a few people at Bethesda, that were
(10:29):
there for the autopsy, forty three of them. Their first
statement on the record as to JFK's head wound is
that he had a large wound in the right rear
of his head. Forty three. So either all forty three
are mistaken or lying, or the autopsy which says that
the right rear of his head has been perfectly fine conditioned,
(10:50):
there's no injury in the right rear of his head,
then the autopsy is forged. You got to pick and
that's that's tough. That's a tough mental exercise because for
three people, what are they going to It's almost more
conspiratorial to say that forty three people got together to
make something up, right, But then again, it's like hard
to believe that the government will go to that trouble
to forge the autopsy. That's pretty nefarious. When we zoom
(11:13):
into it even further, we find that there are reasons
to believe there was a forged autopsy, including the photographer
of the autopsy says it's not the pictures he took
and he used different camps, different the photo paper. The
woman who processed the photos says that it's not the
(11:34):
same paper she used, and it's not what she saw,
and it's not the autopsy that she participated in. This
is what she said under oath to the Assassination Record
Review Board. There there are a number of other things
you can really get into the weeds. But there's there's
a little there, there's smoke there, and I'll say this too.
Let me just add you know, I get why a
lot of people think Oswald acted alone. If you just
(11:55):
look at the top level story and you don't zoom
into each individual assertion effect, it's easy to just say, hey,
I've lacked it alone. And there's a lot of evidence
against thought. There is. But my contention is that when
you look at that evidence, especially given all of the
declassified documents, it becomes clear that everything falls apart at
the House of Cards.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Let me ask you, how many people do you think
are how it's a lot easier to believe that Oswald
acted alone. Let's move right along, because if it was
the mafia, that means the bad guy's got away with
something very nefarious in nineteen sixty three. If it was
some people, say the CIA, or the military, or somebody
in what we would now call the deep state, that means, basically,
(12:36):
in nineteen sixty three, there was a coup in America
that took out an American president. And maybe it's just
easier for us to believe the single shooter theory than
to believe that that type of thing happened in nineteen
sixty three.
Speaker 2 (12:49):
Your thoughts, Yes, I think you're right. I think I
mean a lot of people, you know, when you get
into this world of studying this intentionally, it's a lot
of it's kind of a metaphor of politics. People who
think there's a conspiracy don't like the people that think
gods will it acted alone, and vice versa, and they
both just go to these things of like, oh, you
can't handle the truth, so you make up these falsas well.
(13:11):
You can really argue that on both sides. But I
think this is just speaks to, you know, why we
need to reinvestigate or reassess the status of this given
all of the declassified documents. I mean, the mafia, certainly
it has some involvement, but the military controlled the autopsy.
(13:34):
And I'm telling you that if there's a conspiracy, you're
signing up for the autopsy sports So the military has
to have involvement in some way regarding the autopsy. If
you think there's a conspiracy, that's that's impossible to get around,
and that's that's tough. So we you know, again, that's
that's why we wrote this book and why we just
want to raise awareness and people to know that this
(13:54):
is not a result issue. It's not a subtled issue.
You can't just jump to, oh the CIA did it.
You got to really show your work. But like I
was saying, there's now very clear evidence that Oswald was
a CIA asset and also an FBI in format.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
So let me ask you. Matt Crumpton, By the way,
my guest co author a book called The JFK Assassination
choke Holds and choke Holds it inescapably proved there was
a conspiracy. If you want to look up the website,
it's JFK Chokeholds dot com. JFK Chokeholds dot com. Learn
more about the book and also the books available Amazon Books,
(14:31):
Barnes and Noble. And again it's called The JFK Assassination
Choke Holds and you can find a copy of it
at a store near you. Let me ask you. You
say there's choke holds. Are any of these choke holds
that you present are any of them what we would
consider new evidence? Or do you believe all the evidence
is on the table and we just need to relook
at it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
It's really it's really all the I mean, I would say,
all the evidence being on the table, we need to
re look at it. That's that's probably the main thing.
The two areas that this book does a really nice
job that I've never seen any other book do. And
that is the first chapter that talks about the commitment.
You know, all the various insiders who came forward at
different times to say, hey, something wasn't right here. You know, hey,
(15:12):
this this isn't what we said it was right. So
that's one thing. And the other thing is chapter ten
of the book covers all of the obstruction of justice.
You know, when the case is trying to be investigated,
things just keep turning up missing. Here's two super cosd examples.
The guy who was who was the CIA's liaison to
the House Led Committee Assassinations in nineteen seventy eight. He
(15:35):
was supposed to have, you know, no relationship to any
anything that had to do with the case. Well, it
turns out he oversaw the group that Oswald was trying
to infiltrate in New Orleans. Right, So this guy and
he just lied to the to the HSCA. So that's
one huge things. George, Joe and Edie, that's one big
thing has come through. Another thing is in nineteen ninety six,
(15:58):
the Assassination Records of your Board requested the subpoena the
documents from the Secret Service related to Kennedy at nineteen
sixty three Fall Motor KDE security. They wanted to see,
you know, what the security plans like in all the
other cities so that we can compare it to Dallas.
After their request had been made, the Secret Service notified
the ARRB that they had destroyed all of the documents
(16:21):
after their request was made. So the point is it's
not a fair fight, and they're cheating and no one cares.
Last question, we should be very upset about this.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
The website is called JFK Chokeholds dot com. The name
of the book is j the JFK Assassination choke Holds.
Look it up available real quickly twenty seconds. I'll ask
you this question. You mentioned a lot of things have
been destroyed. Is that going to end up causing us
to always be in a kerfuffle over this? What really
happened because we don't really have some of the evidence
(16:53):
has been destroyed. Or do you think we can get
to the bottom of it real quick?
Speaker 2 (16:57):
Yes to some extent it's but there's enough to come
out that it can show what happened, especially Oswald's ties
the CIA.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Matt Crumpton, I appreciate you hopping on the program. Thank
you very much again. The name of the book, the
JFK Assassination Choke Holds. The website JFK Chokeholds dot Com.
JFK chokeholds dot Com. Everybody stand by Lakey on the
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