10222024 - Pedro Israel Orta

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Cases. Always a pleasure to have you here. Want to
welcome to my next my first guest of the morning.
It's a real interesting conversation. The name of his book
is called it is called The Broken Whistle, A Deep
State run a mock And his name is Pedro Israel
Ortum and he's also the executive producer and writer of
a one called The Deep State Gangster. Will bring him

(00:23):
into the conversation. I'll give you a background. He spent
eighteen years of experience as a Central Intelligence Agency veteran,
and this memoir is about him having well, it's a
lot about his career, his life. And again the name
of the book is called The Broken Whistle, A Deep
State run amuck. And I welcome into the program, Pedro.
Let me hit the right button, Pedro Israel or to

(00:44):
welcome to the show. Sir, how are you good.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Morning, wonderful, Thank you, Jimmy. I'm doing great this morning.
How you doing.

Speaker 3 (00:49):
I'm doing very well.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
You've got a documentary we'll talk about called Deep State Gangster's.
Your book is called The Broken Whistle, Deep State run
a monk. First of all, give your background. I didn't
do your bio much justice there, but give your bio,
because that kind of gives the vantage point or the
paradigm from which you read the book.

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Yeah, I was born and raised to Miami floor, the
first generation Cuban American. My family fled communist Castros Cuba
to flee the tyranny of political oppression, the economical pression,
and so forth. So I grew up in an environment
where I saw firsthand the effects of communism. I ended up,
you know, finishing high school, working in Miami, finishing college

(01:31):
late in life. So by that time I got to
the CIA, I had like fourteen years of business experience,
and I went to work off the CIA, and I
did the full gamut of everything you can think of,
you know, analysis, intelligence, analysis, writing, presidents, brief operations. I
was operations officers certified, did operations work. I did COPD
action work, I did technical targeting operations, all kinds of

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things Iraq, Afghanistan, and so forth, which culminated into a
position where I was a deputy Chief of base working
in a roar zone. And that's where everything just fell
apart from me. After I blew the whistle.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
Let's talk about that blowing of the whistle. I believe
it was September of twenty nineteen, your single Twitter threat
ignited a tempest and things went crazy. For you talk
about what happened in twenty nineteen. For you, talk about
this blowing of the whistle that you did.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
By twenty nineteen, I had already been terminated for all
the internal whistle blowing I had done. But I used
the intelligence community whistleblower process to get my disclosures to Congress.
But they failed to process and they refused to process
my disclosures. They did nothing with them. They suppressed them,
suppressed them a second time, and then finally when I

(02:47):
was able to file them a third time, they turned
on tod me. Well you've been fired, you can't file them.
So in September twenty nineteen, now we have the Ukraine
whistleblower use the same process that I used. All of
a sudden, he was able to get his disclosures to Congress,
or reportedly, somehow Congress found out about it. They weren't

(03:08):
supposed to find out about it, but they gave them
all the protection, all the help. So I went public
with the fact that they changed the procedures. They changed
the form. The form I filled out had to be
firsthand information. The form he filled out was secondhand. Here's
the information. They didn't file mind, and they refused to
process mind and they forwarded his so forth. So that

(03:32):
created a firestorm and where people realized that this weapon
was essentially weaponized to go after Trump.

Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, the voice of Pedro Israel Orta. He's written a
book called The Broken Whistle, a Deep State Run amok,
also a documentary called Deep State Gangsters. So back us
up twenty nineteen. You're kind of listening that you're blowing
the whistle. Nobody's paying attention. They're not letting you submit
what you need to submit. So what was it that
you wanted to submit? What was it? Take us back
in time that you had blown the whistle on. I

(04:01):
am reading here a little excerpt here from The Broken Whistle.
Here I was post snowed and relying on a system
the President Obama, Congress and the IC leaders, intelligence community
leaders had touted as successful and functional. But was it
truly working? My case exposed it is nothing more than
a sham with the CIA and the intelligence community attempt
to rectify the situation. What was it that you were

(04:23):
blowing the whistle on and the Obama administration said, Hey,
this is how it works. It's a great system.

Speaker 3 (04:29):
What was it.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
Well, they had Presidential Policy Director of nineteen that authorized
me to make disclosures and I would be protected. So
I was forced to in a war zone to speak
truth to power. We had a chief of base that
had turned the base into a social club on steroids.
We were basically putting our lives on the line at
risk for food for yoga classes, failing to meet with

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the military, failing to have meaningful exchanges of information. It
created a hust our work environment. I blew the whistle
on that. That's the first instance, and that's what led
me being sent home away from Afghanistan. And they kept
turn their position and covered it all up. And part
of the story is how the bureaucracy was hell bent

(05:17):
on basically destroying me and not letting the truth get out.
So I started to blow the whistle on how the
entire whistle blow up process was broken, the equal employment
opportunity processes was broken, How the Office of General Counsel
for the CIA was basically bullying me, trying to silence me,
refusing to allow me to get an attorney, How the

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IDs were failing to investigate, and in this entire scenario,
I ended up working for the Office of Inspector General
for the Intelligence Community, and in that capacity, I worked
on a team that we did in the evaluation to
determine whether these were prival protections were being implemented enforced,
and would they protect a whistle blower. We determined that
they were not, So I started blowing the whistle to

(06:01):
Mike Pompeo, Daniel Coates, the other leaders in the intelligence community,
and for that matter, trying to get to Congress disclosing
that the whistle was broken. But no matter how hard
I tried to get this message across, it seems like
it went into death's ears allowed basically the CIA to

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fire me.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
I want to dive into this a little bit more.
The voice of Pedro Israel, or to his book, is
called the Broken Whistle of Deep State run amok. So
you want to report that you were in the harms way,
You're in Afghanistan and the place you're at has been
turned into a social club. Nobody's briefing the military. Everybody's
life's a danger, but hey, as long as there's food
and yoga classes, everybody's happy. It's kind of a club

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med if you will, and you're just saying, hey, why
am I over here risking my life for this? You're
blowing the whistle, saying the commander here is not doing
things right? And they shut you down. This seems like
to be one that they would say, oh, yeah, that
probably should be fixed. Why do you think they were?
It's you were reporting something seemingly quite simple. Why the
cover up? Why not wanting to fix what you had

(07:08):
pointed out was wrong.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
I mean, there's several motivations. One of them is government
lawyers are absolutely broken for the most part. You probably
should fire most of them. When I say you, I'm
not talking about you specifically, I'm talking about whoever is
in charge of the government lawyers. They wanted to cover
it up so that government will have no liability because
they committed several liabilities. There was an EO liability against

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someone that was harassed, and for me speaking up there
was an NEO liability for me speaking up on behalf
of that subordinate being harassed. Thirdly, the fact that the
whistleblower process was not working, they wanted to cover up.
They actually took reprisals. Then there's a secondary element, the

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Inspector General of the CIA was broken. And when I
mean broken, I mean absolutely broken. They were corrupt as
hell itself. As a matter of fact, one thing good
came out of the investigation they did against the CIAIG.
There was a Department of Homeland Security investigation that determined

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that the CIIG had the leader and the deputy leader
taking reprisals against their own employees and the IG. So
the IG had no motivation at all to investiget reprisals
at the CIA. And those three reasons right there are
predominantly was what worked against me.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
So you were in a postnoed era.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
You write in the book, you're the system that Obama
and Congress and the intelligence community leaders had said this
is successful, it's functional, and we're going to really run
a clean operation. Here. You find out they're not. That
that was all false. And you reported to you mentioned
Pompeo and Dan Coates. They were in the Trump administration.
So the Obama administration said everything's good. You try to
blow the whistle to Pompeo and Cults and the Coats

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and the Trump administration and it falls on deaf ears.
So this was why were they not paying.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Attention to you because even though Pompell was at CIA
and Daniel Coates was at the d and I, it
honestly still was Brennan's CIA and Clapper's DNI. It was
basically people telling Coats what to do and Pompel bringing
in Gina Halfaus his deputy and pretty much allowing the

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bureaucracy to tell him what to do.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Wow, that's probably shocking to a lot of folks. A
lot of folks thought that maybe Coats was kind of this,
a long time good old boy with a white hat,
going to write it in and clean up that intelligence institution.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
But he didn't.

Speaker 1 (09:38):
And Pompeo pretended or even talk about running for running
for president as a strong candidate, that he really reformed
the Secretary of State's office. You're saying that wasn't necessary
with the.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Case, that was not the case. Sadly. The truth is
Pompell was a resume pattern trying to use the CIA position,
Department of State position posision himself to run for the presidency.
I mean, look back, I mean he actually picked Gina
Hasfelt to be his deputy. She was handpicked by Brennan
to be the cos London during the Steel dossier Sega.

(10:13):
I mean she was basically a Brendan protege that he
allowed to be his deputy. And furthermore, when he moved
on to State, he basically helped her become the director
of CIA.

Speaker 1 (10:24):
So nobody's listening to you. Pompeo's not paying attention. Dan
coachesn't happening. Pompeo's thinking about the future, maybe his weight
loss in his future presidential career. I don't know what
he's thinking about, but he's not helping you out. So
you blew the whistle on a Twitter feed in twenty
nineteen and kind of walk us through for what happened,
and we'll kind of get towards the end of the story.
People can read the book, but what happened in twenty nineteen,

(10:45):
no one's paying attention to you, even in the Trump administration.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
What do you do well at that point in time,
all I can do is write a book, and that's
what I did because the story is so disgusting. I mean,
they say speak truth too, but the reality is if
you dare to speak truth to power, they're going to
go out of their way to massacre you. When I
mean massacre you is do anything they can to destroy you.

(11:10):
If they can put you in jail, they will, and
the storial financially they will so forth. So all I
can do at that point is write a book because
what happened, I mean, the IGS never really investigated my
case of reprisal. The first case was a faulty investigation
that had with bias with a predetermined outcome, and I

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have proof of that and it's in the book. And
at that point they actually decided that they would they
would relook my first reprisal allegations, but they failed to
even look at it. The IGS wouldn't even contact me,
and the second wave of reprisals that I encountered were
never fully investigated. So all I can do is write

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a book detail it so that people can see how
these agencies will go out of their way to base
shut down whistle blowers and destroy them. And the book
had to be done in a certain way. First, I
had to get this book to the CIA pre publication
review process, so I had to sell it to them,
So in that particular case, I had to be very

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detailed so that my details would trump any effort to
shut it down. So in some ways the book is
once the four hundred and forty eight pages if you
look at the appendices and prologue, epilogue, so forth. But
it's so detailed that if people are willing to take
the time to read it, they can see that one

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very important detail is I was not a broken employee.
I had an excellent work history. So that's very well
documented in the book. But more importantly, by doing a
lot of showings of what they did, how they did things,
the minutest detailed, it actually proves that in fact, all
they say there is whistle blower protections. Reality is that

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by their actions, my book shows there.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Isn't any Well again, I want people to get a
copy of the book. I think you'll find it interesting'
talk about your documentary as well. But the book is
called The Broken Whistle. A deep state run a mark.
So what I'm hearing is that we have what we
do have a deep state. It is run a monk.
You got a bunch of guys that both parties that
come up here and slap their chest like Targan and
pretend they're going to reform it like a Pompeio. Nothing

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gets done, and then you where's Congress added all this stuff?
They're supposed to be the overside of these deep state agencies.
Any word from Congress silence.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I guess that's.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
The problem if you don't want to nail it. Where
where the problem is is the failure of Congress to
hold these agencies accountable, particularly with the intelligence community. And
what happens with the intelligence community is there's only two
congressional oversized bodies, House Permanent Select Committee of Intelligence and
the Senate Select Committee of Intelligence. Those two bodies are

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the only bodies really that can get involved in intelligence matters,
and both of those bodies happen completely missing in action.
And when I mean missing in action, I mean literally
missing in action. They're there basically to give the intelligent
community whatever they want. These intelligent community members have offers
of Congressional affairs. I call it offers a COVID action
because they're basically there to spin, to lie, massage, cover,

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final way to misrepresent stuff in order to basically give
Congress the idea that, oh, they're doing great. You know,
we're doing nothing wrong. Yeah. I mean there's instances where
something may go wrong and things get reported to Congress,
but ultimately, at the end of the day, Congress really
gives them whatever they want and never really stop their funding.

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They keep getting their money.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Eighteen years of experience as a CIA agency and tried
to blow the whistle into up being terminated for his
actions of just trying to bring attention to hey, pay attention.
There's a lot of the bad things going on here,
and they're really risking the national security probably at times
if we don't fix these things. And yet the deep
State they gave him big thank you by showing him

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the door and firing him.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
The name of the book is again the.

Speaker 1 (15:09):
Broken Whistle, a deep State Runnamock Eggs and he's also
the executive producer of Deep State Gangster. Folks want to
get a copy of the book, I'm sure Amazon and
where great books are sold.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
What about the documentary Deep State Gangster.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Well, with the documentary, I worked with a documentary maker.
The idea was to make a documentary bond by book,
but I said, no, no, let's do something even better.
Let's go find another CIA whistle blower and two FBI whistleblowers.
So I bring in John Kiriako, the CIA torture whistle blower,
so he and I are the CIA whistle blowers. Then

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I bring in Nate Kine, who is the FBI Uranium
one whistle blower, Blue the whistle on Hillary Clinton and
some uranium uranium scandal where it gets very very I
mean absolutely just shocking as far as what happened in
that particular case. And then also Garrett O'Boyle, one of
the most recent suspendable FBI whistleblowers. So the four of

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us tell our stories from a first hand perspective, what
we witnessed, what we saw as far as how these
agencies respond and treat whistleblowers, so people can see that
these agencies are out of control and they're all out
for themselves, to cover for themselves. And to add more
of a perspective of what this all means. There are

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two color commentators, Jane Michael Waller who wrote Fixing Intel
and Lee Smith, who wrote a book Permanent Coup, the
Plot against the President. So they provide a lot of
color commentary as far as what it all means.

Speaker 3 (16:42):
Folks want to watch the documentary, where do they go?

Speaker 2 (16:45):
It's still pending release. Salem has agreed to carry it
and still working out the details right now. It's probably
going to come out in February of next year.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
I know you have a sub stack of folks need
to get a copy of the book called The Broken
Whistle of Deep State run them. Folks want to find you,
follow along with the documentary and keep a news on you.
I know you're also on the Twitter the X. How
do they find you?

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The easiest way is by name website www. Pedro israelorta
dot com pedroi Israel orta dot com. And there's a
tap of the movie at taps of the book and
they can keep up with the details.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
There Pedro Israel Orte dot com. The name of the book,
The Broken Whistle a deep State run amok. Pedro, thanks
for coming on the show and I hope people