What To Do When Life Doesn't Go The Way You Planned & More!

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Speaker 1 (00:13):
Cass rope, little food for you. So life. Oh it's pretty,
but it's pretty beautiful. Thank you. Laugh a little moth tight.
You're kicking four Happy Thursday. Everybody amy here and I'm

(00:35):
joined by my friends Jill and Kate. Jill Pickering and
Kate Rapier Rapier, rapier raper. I know that you have
different versions because it's French. Yes, I mean I I
say rape here, but it gets butchered. Yeah, almost all
the time, unfortunately, she said. Sometimes she's at the airport

(00:56):
and they call her over the loud speaker and it's
definitely Kate. That know something you wouldn't. When I do
not stand up, I'm like, I'm just gonna give it
a second and then I'll get up later. Yeah. So
Jill and Kate they have been in business together for
over twenty years, which y'all are how old now? I'm forty,
so we're all the same age. Yes, And speaking of birthdays,

(01:19):
Kate is here and your daughter g G. It's her
birthday today, which you did foster care and you adopted her.
So we're going to get into that in a little bit,
which we are going to cover. This is sort of
an O G four Things episode for people that have
been listening for a long time. But there's not going
to be the divider music. So Walker Hayes does my
theme song and then he also recorded little clips or

(01:41):
it's like first thing, second thing. But like with you all,
I just want to keep the conversation flowing. But I
know we have four different topics we're going to touch on,
which the foster gonna adoption mean one of them. And
then also the first thing we'll get into will be
what to do in life doesn't go the way you
planned because you'll have experienced that, and then using social
media of for good and then four things gratitude. Those

(02:02):
are you the four things. But back to y'all's bios,
people can get to know you both, which y'all do
have a podcast, so some people have likely listened to it,
especially if maybe they say you'll post about this and
they're over here listening. But I love the name girls
just Pod to have Fun. That is so clever. Who
came up with that? Yeah? So good? I love it.

(02:24):
It's golden. So your career it began in music, and
y'all spent two decades touring the globe and releasing several
albums and singles In two thousand and eighteen, that's when
y'all launched Girls Just Pod to Have Fun. And then
from there you established yourselves as a motivational speakers while
you were going across the country, and y'all even did

(02:46):
a TED X talk, which I think is so cool.
What was that like? It was terrifying. I mean because
you have, like, you know, the timers like counting down
and you have a certain amount of time. They don't
let you have no cards, so you have to memorize
the whole thing. And we were playing like we played
a couple of songs like stressed. That was the helpful
part we we had. I had my guitar on the

(03:06):
whole time, which is like not normal for a TED talk,
but it gave me my comfort. Well, the TED talk
is called Unchartered Waters Navigating the Unknown if people want
to check it out on YouTube. But y'all have sang
with people like Kelly Clarkson, which I think is I
would die, like fan girl die? Is she just the coolest?

(03:28):
She is? Like what you see is what you get. Yeah,
we got to tour with her for six years, so
that was pretty awesome. And when y'all were touring with her.
You performed you know, no Big Deal on Oprah, The
Today Show, Ellen Saturday Night Live. What was Oprah Like?
Did y'all did y'all engage with her at all? Or
you're just performing what's up? Vibe? Like? She was so sweet.

(03:49):
The funny thing was is it was right around Jill's
birthday and we'd gone out the night before or this
is like my memory of Oprah is that we'd gone
out and we were celebrat like all band and crew.
We went up bowling and we had cupcakes and somebody
smashed a cupcake in my face, which was so funny,
like I'm always down for a funny joke, but they
had forgotten to take out we'd gotten her hand in
Montana cupcakes and they had plastic stars still in the

(04:12):
cupcake and so when a friend smashed the cupcake in
my eye, it like cut my actual eyeball and so
like my eyes started bleeding and so on Oprah, I
had to wear these like big sunglasses like backstage because
my eye looked like a disaster. And so that's my
real memory of being backstage of Oprah being like, oh
my gosh, they're going to think like who is this
diva like backup singer who was like walking around with

(04:33):
sunglasses on, but everybody was really sweet. Oprah made a
really like a point to make eye contact and say
hello to everyone in the band, which I thought was
really nice. Like she went around and was It was
kind of like she was like, I see you, thank
you for being here, and then moved on and you
were like, oh my gosh, that doesn't always happen since
that was nice? Yeah, yeah, no, that's really cool. Yea, yeah,
I mean you were seen and she saw you. You

(04:54):
felt seen. It was so funny to her like rocking
out like while we were sitting, like while Kelly was
singing like she was so into it. So when y'all
are doing background vocals for someone like Kelly, how does
it sound like she's singing like what would you be doing? Stronger? Like? Yeah,
if she's like what doesn't kill you? Are y'all strong? So?
What would your pitch? Where is your like? Where what?

(05:15):
Y'all's job is to either go higher or lower than her?
Usually um Kate usually was higher. I would double her
sometimes and I would do a lot of the lower
like harmonies and first stuff. Is there times where Kelly
would maybe look at y'all and you knew, like, okay, cute,
this is we gotta do something different. Or would you
all have different hand signals on stage or how would
you know? Or you just weren't hand signals necessarily, but

(05:37):
sometimes you could just tell, like, oh, she's going to
do this vocally. I mean, she's just such an exceptional vocalist,
like that is her thing that it felt like an
adventure every night to hear her in your ears, just
like Okay, where's she going next? Like what is she
going to do? We always call it like a masterclass,
a six year like graduate program study, like singing under her,
because you're just like, she doesn't miss a note. She
just all she goes full on every night. So when's

(06:01):
the last time y'all sing together the three of us? No,
y'all do, oh we do? We still sing? Yeah, trying
to think we did a benefit show like a couple
of months ago, but for Foster Care. Actually yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah, And so would y'all do like a little
thing here right now, just like a one line of
I don't know any song whatever, I mean, it could

(06:21):
be a Kelly Clarkson one since that was since that
was your master, Clay is how we ended up getting
like how we were not trying to be backup singers.
We were playing. We'd moved to l A to try
to like make it in the music industry. Played this
tiny little show at Genghis Cohen which is on Fair
Facts and it's like half Chinese restaurant half music venue.
Like the smallest holds maybe thirty people, and we played

(06:42):
a show there. Kelly came to it and we covered
a part of her song in this medley of songs
that were on the radio. And after that she was like, hey,
would you guys ever it's like the story you you
think never happens, it happened to us. So I don't know.
And that's how we got his alize. Yeah, it was
a long time ago. I know. I'm trying to think
of like what song we could sing. I don't know.

(07:04):
So come on and take a walk with me, ting
my hen. You can scream into the darkness and tell me.
Then you can cry on that till you understand my love. Okay,
So what song was that? That was called my Loves
That's one of our I haven't warmed up today, so
I'll see how that'll sounded it was beautiful to me,

(07:26):
Like I'm jealous. I officially wish I could sing like
both of you. So what is that song about? So
that song actually we wrote during a time where it
was just like a real low point for both of us.
You know that feeling when you feel like you're in
the middle of the tunnel and you're like waiting for
the light, and the light it's just not coming and
you're just like whoa like I am in a dark,

(07:46):
hard place. It kind of came just this idea of like, man,
what would like God say or what would love say
to you in those hard times? And we just kind
of wrote it from that perspective, and the first line
of the song is I won't ever change my mind
about you and just kind of this like comfort all
knowing that there's like a greater love out there that
will like propel you forward and that there will be

(08:07):
the light at the end of the tunnel eventually. So,
which is a good segue into like the first thing
that we wanted to touch on, which was when life
doesn't go the way you planned it, So what does
that look like for both of you all? What was
the plan? And then how has it unfolded and what
has that made possible? Yeah, y'all recognize that line from

(08:30):
Donald Miller. I love it, you know, well, I feel
like it's like in my well because y'all could even say,
like you could share a little bit, there's backstory to that, yeah,
or just that like Donald Miller piece, Yeah, that we're
I mean that we're friends and we work together now,
is that? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, which I think is
kind of fun. Yeah, Like that's what Kate and I were.

(08:50):
Actually we had a group of girlfriends and we were
on a walk the other day and I was just like,
you get to be around that and like soak up
that information and just but at the same time, you're
also working, so you're like, well, it is, but I'm
also focused on my job and doing it. But I
love your episode with him, actually though, Yes, that was
so good. Oh I it's one of my favorites all time,
Like when I saw you going to his Yes, write

(09:13):
your story. It's in October, so for anybody in Nashville
if you want to come. I was actually at dinner
last night with Ali Fallon, who's doing it with him,
and there's a few spots left, so write your story
dot Com is the website, and it's definitely an investment
in the weekend. Like if you've ever thought about writing
a book or you want to get your story out
on paper, you're just maybe dissecting things in your own

(09:35):
life and you're trying to get it out like or
process it to this could be something that could be
very therapeutic and beneficial for you. And you know, Ali
was even saying she was shocked if there was a
few seats left, and not in a yeah, not in
a conceited way by any means, but it's just such
it's such an amazing workshop and typically it sells out.
But I love her attitude about it too. She goes,

(09:56):
I just, you know, I started to think, like maybe
the people that are coming this is exactly who it's
supposed to be, and I know it'll be beautiful, and
but all that said, maybe there is a last minute
gift to yourself. Someone deemmed me and said that it's
their birthday present, Christmas present, like Mother's Day present or
something that they get into themselves, and they're getting a

(10:16):
weekend away and that they're doing it for themselves. And
I think to to like go back to like what
to do in life doesn't go the way you planned it,
Like if you feel that at all, that if that
sentence like resonates with you, like go to this workshop,
like that is a great time to go process if
you're feeling stuck or if life hasn't gone the way
that you thought it would, Like that's a great I've
gotten to pop in and out of it and see
like what they teach, and it's I had an uber

(10:39):
driver yesterday that was like, you know, people when there's
inflation and everything is expensive, people don't invest. He was
in like psychology, and he's like, people don't invest in
their health and their wellness and all of that because
that's where they think they can cut when actually that's
like when we should invest in it when times are
getting tough or they're going to be tough, or you're
just struggling. That's so I think even like the right
your story, investing that in yourself. I know it's a

(11:02):
lot to invest in therapy and all these things, but
there's a time to do that when maybe when you
don't have you know, yeah, so I don't know there.
I have a podcast that loads up on Saturdays that's
dedicated to eating disorder recovery and it's called out wigh
because the life without disordered eating outways everything. And if
I do experts every three weeks and so my expert

(11:22):
in the upcoming three weeks one of the episodes I
think it'll air in a couple of weeks is the
title of it is being socially and financially responsible in
recovery and how are you going to do that? And
I've never had that conversation with any other expert that's
come on, and being financially responsible means you might have
to invest in certain treatments that you might have to

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sacrifice other spending and look at your budget and know,
am I going to prioritize my social life that could
include friends and family, like how who are you hanging
out with? What are you exposed to? And then financially,
where can you cut back on X y Z so
that you can invest and not use that as an
excuse to not get treatment or help, because the truth

(12:07):
is it takes a lot of resources some titles to
to get that recovery, which also too in the same
vein of you know, when life doesn't go the way
you planned it, y'all did have a blog that you
put up, so I'm gonna let y'all take it from
here since it is a kind of about that long
way topic, and then you can share more on this
topic too. But you wrote a blog about body shaming

(12:28):
confrontation and that ended a working relationship. Yeah, sort of
where life doesn't go the way you plan it started.
So that's yeah, that's where it kind of started for us.
It's just it looks a lot different. I mean, kind
of The really high level view is somebody took a
photo of me sent it to a group of people
and the group the person who responded responded and didn't

(12:48):
know that I was on the text thread, and he
looked at the photo and he called me huge. And
then the other people in the group text were trying
to like find my phone to delete the text before
I could like see it. And anyway, I ended up
seeing it, and it hurt my feelings, and I you know,
I mean, it hurt my feelings for like five minutes.
And then I had just had a friend who was

(13:09):
thirty six pass away from cancer and I watched his
body like deteriorate, and so I just remember I was
in the back of the bus and I just was thinking, like, man,
like this, I don't want to focus on this, Like
who cares with this person's opinion about me and my weight?
Like I ran three miles this morning, Like I have
things to do, Like I don't want to like focus

(13:30):
on the size of pants that I'm wearing, Like we
have other things to do, especially with women, Like we
have more important things to focus on, you know, Like
we can do amazing. I can make another human right now,
Like that's amazing, like all of these things. And so
ended up like two weeks later, writing a blog that
was called when someone Calls You Huge, and all of
our followers, fans, readers, at that point, we're pretty much

(13:52):
our demographic. I knew I was not the first person
to be called a name. I knew I wasn't the
first person to get my feelings hurt. I just wanted
to talk about how I processed it. Basically what I
just told you. That's what I wrote in the blog,
Like it hurt my feelings, It made me kind of
second guess myself, and then I went into being really
grateful for my body that I could run. I just
watched my friend die, like his body just like deteriorated.

(14:12):
I still have one. I can make another human all
these things, and it was more like ladies, like we
can do such amazing things, like let's focus on the
awesome parts and kind of the again, real short story
is that we were asked to take the blog down
by kind of like, yeah, it was in the context
of a touring not Kelly, not the Kelly Clarkson group.
We're in a different touring situation. We're tolering with a

(14:34):
male artist. Okay, let's say the year, because I feel
like that is important to know how society is handling something,
because I honestly feel like of a blog like that
was written this year, it would not be asked to
be taking it wouldn't be taken down. No, this was Yeah,
we weren't quite there yet. We weren't we weren't We

(14:56):
knew when like the higher ups asked us to take
it down own, I didn't give them an answer. I said,
I'll think about it, and I and I was like,
have you read the blog? Like I did not mention
the artist that I was touring with. I didn't mention
the person who called me the name, because it was like,
it's not about them, I've like forgiven, Like I literally
wrote the blog like forgive and forget this person is
not important, and there was literally like a sentence about him.

(15:19):
And so I asked the people who are asking us
to take it down. I was like, have you read
it at all? Like, and neither of them had read it.
They just heard the title, and so they asked me
to take it down. I said, I'll think about it.
We kind of felt like we can leave it up
and we'll most likely get fired, or we can take
it down and just try to realize like, Okay, we're
just gonna try to not even be the bigger people,

(15:40):
but like maybe that will lower any drama, Like we
don't want to be trying to create drama. Yeah, and so,
but you were using your voice and speaking up for
yourself and then also comforting others that had been in
a similar situation, and since you had processed it, like
you said, people need to know that they're not alone,
and then they appreciate other tools and resources of like, oh,

(16:02):
if this is how she handled it, maybe I'll implement
some of that my life and it's not going to
affect me as much. And that's the response that we're
getting like when I put up the blog, that was
the exact response we got was other people going, oh
my gosh, I've been there too, I've had somebody mean
somebody at work said something mean about me. So we anyway,
I ended up taking it down, and two weeks later,

(16:24):
we were both fired in a one minute phone call
that said they no longer had a need for female singers.
And that was like and then and then hired a
female singer like a week later, and we were the
only two females in the entire organization, like in the
entire touring everyone they've never had females really only two.
And so it kind of blew up our life a
little bit because we also had our year blocks for
the rest of the year. We had like fifty shows

(16:44):
on the calendar for the rest of the year. Yeah
with this artist. So all of a sudden, it was
like our financial like plan for the rest of the
year was gone. We I felt this real. I didn't
even realize it until later, but like I wrote something
that like blew up our life. So I was very timid,
like right or share anymore, because I felt like, oh
my goodness, I did this whole thing. We've always tried

(17:05):
to be just really honest and like, here's what we're doing,
who we are, this is what's happening. And it had
never really not served us well before, and all of
a sudden it was like, oh, like this is shut down,
and so it was just not where our life was going.
We didn't think either, like, you know, we've been best
friends for twenty years, we've done business together, we're in
it together, and this thing, even though it is Kate like,

(17:27):
it affected both of our career, like we both got
about we both got fired, you know, and I have
I'm not mad about that. I'm so glad about that,
but you know, it just sort of made us go, Okay,
what are we doing now, Like what is the really
the the issue here? How can we make this helpful
to people instead of just sulk and be like we
got fired and or you know, didn't. And I think
that was when the lightbulb moment for us was like,

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this is not actually about us now, this is how
can we use this story and translate it into some
sort of good Because there's a lot of people who
related to that, and so we kind of we you know,
we've been trying to do music in Nashville on our
own and just felt kind of burned by the town
a little bit, just in the sense of trying and
trying and trying and trying and just feeling like, oh man,

(18:10):
we're not making enough process progress. And so we ended
up like selling everything that we owned and we left
Nashville and started and that's when we started the podcast,
and we were like, we're just going to talk to
other people now about what to do in life doesn't
go the way you planned it, and not that we
are like a big thing that we just we just
sort of were like, I think this is what we're
gonna do. We sold I sold my house here, we

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sold all our stuff, We packed up a two cars,
and we literally said a podcast and we're gonna go
and just like chase things that like bring us joy
and fill our tank, because at that point it just
felt like our tank was like running on empty of
just feeling so low and and like on a personal level,
like I thought I would be married and have kids
by now, you know, like I five years ago, I

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was thirty five. I thought, Okay, it's gonna happen any day,
any day, and it just it hadn't happened. Yet and
so I think that's another area where life has not
gone the way that And so that's what we ask
our guests when we have a podcast, just like what
do you do in life doesn't go the way you
planned it? You know? And it's been fascinating to learn,
like like I don't know, it's just what do people do?
It's crazy? So it's been really fun. Is there a

(19:15):
top answer that has stuck with you or afterwards you're like, oh,
well that was impactful. I'm sure everybody that everyone says
life never goes the way you plan it, and it's like, yeah,
exactly exactly. It was Charles Eston Chip He said, I
think that's what makes life so beautiful, and I was like,

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I like get chills like even thinking about like, oh
that that's actually the real beauty is like all of
these like twists and turns that take us to all
different places that we could have never planned ourselves, and
not like people actually thrive when it doesn't go the
way they plan it. It's not that just like they
got through it. Most people, it's like no, they killed
it after that. You know. That's what I think has

(19:56):
been cool. So yeah, I was gonna say if for
me one listening right now that might be in the
thick of something like that and they feel lost. I
know I was gonna say, what y'all's you know, thirty
second elevator push to them that like power through what

(20:23):
y'all's you know, thirty second elevator push to them that
like power through I mean I would just say that
just keep going, like, don't stop, keep going and just
ask yourself the question like what does this make possible?
How can I serve other people? In turn? Like my
if you're in pain, how can I use my pain
to help other people? Because I think that's when we

(20:44):
feel the lowest is when our pain is unused. It's like,
well that's just painful. But if you can turn that
and leverage it for something good, something powerful, to help
other people. And like, like Jill said, like there is
thriving in the unknown and the things not going the
way you planned. I mean, we moved to l A.
I literally had never thought about backup singing before ever,
Like that had never crossed our mind, and this opportunity

(21:06):
came up and we were just like okay, And that's
a really awesome example of like when life doesn't go
away planet and then getting fired like you know, years
down the road from a different artist like that was
also not awesome, but it's so many awesome things have
happened because of that that I don't know. Just keep
keep going, just keep swimming, swimming. I've been watching a

(21:26):
lot of that. Was that should have been the thirty
second of it if you just look at them. Yeah,
we've talked about that here on the podcast before. I
was actually listening to a book. Is a fiction book?
I've been listening to so many, literally, I can't remember
which one because I feel as though I'm in a
season where I used to not like fiction, but now
I just want to get lost in someone's story. I

(21:48):
don't care if it's real or not. And that's new
for me this year. And one of the in one
of the stories, I don't know if it's a Colleen
Hoover book. One of the characters that's something she was journaling,
and she would journal to Ellen actually did generous like
in the book now, I can't think of the book title,
but as her her teenage self, she liked to watch

(22:08):
Ellen on TV. So when she got a journal she started.
Instead of dear Diary, she would just say, dear Ellen,
and she would kind of comment on that day's show
and like give her feedback, and then she would share
with Ellen what was going on, which I don't know
you'll have to say anything, but it just popped in
my head because y'all went on Ellen with Kelly Clarkson.
You said that Oprah was so awesome, Like, did y'all
ever interact with Ellen? You know, there's been where it's like,

(22:30):
but was she did you feel seen she was? She
actually came and like shook all of her I mean
we did Ellen three or four times like in the
six years with her, and every time she came over,
like her hand like said hi, like thanked us. So
I personally don't have any bad Okay, we personally have
no yet doesn't mean yeah, I don't know if you're
gonna spill some tea, right, I feel like we don't
have any t's a. She shook her hands. She was

(22:53):
very nice, She was very cordial. Okay, so we've concluded
the elevator pitch would be just keep swimming, Just keep swimming.
So you know you mentioned Kate that you thought you'd
be married like at thirty five, and I know when
we were on our walk the other day, we ran
into someone that was forty one and she was talking
about how she because just got a boyfriend and that

(23:14):
is just an answer to prayer. Although she did say
she had done some eighty five day meditation situation, so
like eight five minutes a day. I was like, I
was after the podcast, I'm gonna need to know. Okay, yeah, Jill,
we'll give you her whole She did some whole like
series of things that she truly believes landed her current boyfriend.

(23:37):
Was she also like on bumble or where did she
find him? Don't? I don't know, we'll get the details. Um,
but she he was, she said, God, the universe like
he came into her life at the exact right time,
almost as she had pictured it and been manifesting in
praying for it. So I don't know. Yeah, I'll get
the secret sauce from her. We can do the rain

(24:00):
dance whatever else was happening. But she was said that
to u K or said it out loud to a
group of girls, and you were like, oh, so there
is hope. Yeah, I love this story, and so for
you because you did decide to do foster care and
then ultimately ended up, you know, falling through with an adoption.

(24:20):
I just wanted to touch on that because I think
just even making the decision to sign up for foster care,
when did you know? What was that process like? And
then you know, as I encouragement to anyone else listening
that might be considering it, what would you say to them? Yeah?
I mean it's so funny. I am a very like

(24:42):
quick action taker, Like, don't ask me to research something
a lot, because I just have I'm like to a
d D about it. I'm just like, oh, let's just
go do it. Like, let's go do And what are
you on the angiogram? I'm a seven? Here seven, You're like, Gracie,
you're friend, Okay, what are you? I'm a nine? You're nine? Okay?
What are you? Well? I've tested as a three and
a four, but like a the four was an online

(25:05):
test that I did, and the three was given to
me by an indiogram like verbally face to face. So
I figured we probably should go with that guy. But
I struggle with all of them. But then I think
what my brain does is I focus on all the
negatives and I'm like, well, but like, yeah, I don't
do that I don't do that. I can accept that
I might do that, but it's hard to see myself

(25:26):
as this go getter or leader or whatever. But then
it's weird because other people are like but you are
in leadership position. So I don't know why you don't
see yourself as that. What is the three's greatest fear?
Do you know resonate with that at all? Like, well,
it's been a couple of years since I've really dug
into it, but I think it's more of like for me,
my greatest fear is acceptance. So I don't know if

(25:48):
that falls into the three, but I think it does
because we can kind of be like chameleons where we
morph into you know, who we need to in that
moment to survive and hopefully make sure that this group
of people likes us, and then go over to the
next group of people and make sure that they like us. So, yeah,
but I don't know. Fascinating it is and I wanted.

(26:08):
My sister is so into it, and I have a
d h D brain too to where I take in
the information and sometimes I'm all in on it and
then yeah, if I go a year without really diving
into it, I'm like, well, I don't remember, but I
do always remember that seven is like here for a
good time. I gotta have fun, like we call it
the you know the wou girl from was that how
I met your mother? Or yeah that's a great girl. Yeah. Well,

(26:33):
and then I think too at the time I got tested,
and I'm sure y'all can speak to this as well.
But you know, when you're in a time of stress,
you go into other marts and then you have these wings.
And so I honestly have been assessing my life and
I feel as though my brain has been stressed since
about like two thousand thirteen or so without real understanding

(26:58):
of that, and then now I'm arting to get it.
And so it's wild the healing process and how long
it can maybe take and you realize how long you've
been stuck there and you didn't even know it. Yeah,
so I would be interested to see I'm still on
a healing journey, but maybe once I'm in a better
place that what I would maybe show up as that

(27:20):
would be we're gonna we'll follow up a yeah I
would like to know. Okay, back to making that decision
as a seven and going for well, fostering sounds fun. Literally, well,
I was like it was during the lockdown, and so
I was living by myself for the first time, not
on tour, not traveling all the time. I was locked
again for a seven to be like locked at home
for it was difficult, especially alone. So I was scrolling

(27:44):
on Instagram and I saw somebody post a photo of
kids with hearts over their faces, and I was so confused.
I was just like, what is this, Like I don't know,
like and so I clicked It was Foster Awareness Month
and these people were fostering and it was a friend
of a friend, and I just started reading every post
that I could, all about foster care and I was

(28:05):
just like, oh, this is so interesting. And honestly, I
didn't think a whole lot about it. In again, I'm
not very good at thinking like strategy, future forward. I
just I'm very in the moments. I was like, oh yeah,
I grabbed my laptop and googled foster Care Nashville, signed
up the DCS website, just signed up for an informational class,
and in my head, I was going foster care totally.

(28:27):
I could love a kid for a few months while
their parents get back on their feet or whatever, and
then I'll give them back and I'll go back to
my normal life. And that's just what I had envisioned
as a normal life, as like us playing shows and
traveling for the podcast, and just I kind of thought, great,
I don't want to adopt as a single person. Foster
care will be great, like this will be a short

(28:48):
term thing. And then I got certified and my very
first placement was a one week old little baby girl
I gotta call at to thirty in the afternoon. She
was dropped off at my apartment at yeah, like I
had six hour notice, and Jill had just flown into
town because it was October and we were releasing a
Christmas EP that at the end of the month, so

(29:09):
she had just flown into town so we could work together,
like get a bunch of work done. And so luckily
she was there because I literally had a crib and
a baby bathtub. Those were the only two like baby.
Between two thirty and like eight pm, I was just
driving all over Nashville all of our friends picking up
baby stuff for the baby. I like formula and diapers,
Like you don't have a baby, and then you do

(29:29):
have a baby, You're like, so yeah, I know we're
supposed to record a Christmas EP, but yeah, luckily we've
already recorded it. We were just doing all the press
and promo stuff, so luckily we'd already recorded it. We
did not do a good job. Like I had a
gift from the Lord baby Jesus, and you're like, gave
me another baby, right, I'm like, sorry, we can't do

(29:49):
any press now because like the album, but yeah, you
might never hear you might never hear about it because
I haven't slept it anyway. So yeah, So I got her,
and then we were working towards reunif occasion with her
birth family at the beginning, doing visits and all of that,
and then just by the spring, it kind of was
clear that reunification was no longer going to be an option.

(30:10):
And they had asked me early on if I was
willing to adopt if they did go that way, and
I mean my answer was very funny because I did
not think about it. I did not pray about it.
I was just like yes, absolutely, like of course, like yes,
And again that was just not what I had envisioned
or planned on my life, because you fell in love
with this baby the minute you'd mat her. Yeah. I mean,

(30:30):
like the minute I saw her, I just I knew.
I was like, no matter what happens, if she's with
me for an hour or forever, I will always like
love this tiny little human and no matter like and
at that point, like it was very much like she's
we're working towards reunification with the birth family. But I
was just like, oh, because of me, that's the And
you know that as a when you do the training
and you're in it, that's the ultimate goal is if

(30:51):
the parents are capable and it's able, that's the ideal
situation for any child, if it's going to be safe. Yeah,
And so yeah, I can see how that being a
foster parent. I mean, I know what it's like as
an adoptive mom, but to yeah, bringing a child into
your home knowing that you're going to form this bond
and it might it's not a forever bond. Like when

(31:13):
I adopted my kids. It was like, Okay, we're working
on this as forever. Although when I we were going
to do a domestic adoption and we did the training
and every state is different, but we lived in North
Carolina at the time, and I if I recall, it
was maybe like a ten day So if we had
been placed with a domestic baby, the birth parents had

(31:34):
ten days to change their mind. So even if we
did get placed with it a baby that we were adopting,
not fostering, there was that period and you have it's
like such a gift both of you, guys, the fact
that you've adopted and fostered both of you. It's like
take special people to do that, because your heart has
to be like open fully but also aware that it

(31:55):
could be broken fully at any point and like watching. Yeah,
it's just it blows my mind. But I mean it's
another way that like life did not go the way
that I planned at all. Like I just did not
foresee myself being a single parent or a solo parent.
You know, I always I loved adoption. I have to
adopted younger brothers, and I always thought adoption would someday

(32:16):
be a part of my story because I have you know,
my two younger brothers are adopted from South Africa. Like
I just thought I'll do that someday. But in my head,
it was always like when I'm married, when I have
a husband and a house, and like I'm settled whatever
that means. That after I have a few biological children
or something. I always thought maybe we'll think about that. Yeah,
but just I'm so I'm and that's a really beautiful

(32:39):
way that I'm like so glad and grateful that even
all of those the timing of it too, like that
I got that call for her. It just it blows
my mind that And so it's there. There are people
considering doing something like this, and let's speak specifically to singles, yeah,
because I feel as though they need that extra encouragement

(33:02):
or you know that story, your story, anyone's story that
did it and is doing it and made it happen,
and that it is possible. I get a lot of
d m s from people being like, I think I'm

(33:23):
too late. I think I'm too old, or I'm too late,
or I don't have enough. And my response from the
very little interaction I've done with a lot of kids
in care is like, I guarantee you, if you start
loving a kid in your home, they are not going
to think that you're too late. They're going to be like,
you are just on time to like love me and
to be there for me. And so there's mean I

(33:46):
think right now there's over four thousand kids in foster
care in the US alone, and so I would just
say take the first step. That That's what I did
every time I signed up for something. I told myself,
you don't have to do this. This is just taking
the next like, just do the informational meeting and if
you decide, just keeps if you're if you're like out over,

(34:07):
Like if you take the informational meeting and you don't
want to keep going, you can quit. And then I
was like, Okay, the informational meeting was fine, I'm going
to take just the classes. If at the end of
the classes you don't want to do the home study
and you can, you can back out. I just kept
giving myself like little progress, like just take the next
step and just see and just see. And I think

(34:27):
I think we need more people fostering one. But also
if you're thinking about fostering, just just take the next
step and just see. Because also it's connected me to
a ton of like really beautiful friendships, Like I feel
like I've gained so much through foster care that I
didn't expect. I've built a community of other foster parents

(34:48):
and adoptive parents, and it's just it's been a really
beautiful unfolding of my life that again I just never thought.
I never thought it would. I just never envisioned it
for my life. It was not a part of my plan,
and I like to plan. I like things, you know.
It was one of those those twists and turns and
just being open to that. And even during COVID I

(35:09):
know y'all had to alter plans because you were singing.
And then this can take us into using social media
for good And so how did y'all get creative? What's
your side hustle? Yeah? Yeah, Well when COVID hit, I
went up to I was living in Nashville and I
went up to New Hampshire to help with my parents
who are aging, and we had sort of been working

(35:33):
on music stuff and kind of figuring out what we're doing.
But people had started come to us like, hey, I
like your social media. How do I do this? Or
what do you think I should do? You guys are
creative entrepreneurs, what would you do? We started sort of
helping friends with ideas for social media and then strategy,
and all of a sudden it was like multiple people

(35:53):
we were helping, We're like, well, we could kind of
do this right, you know. So I was up there,
it was here, she had a new newborn. I was
helping my parents, and so this sort of became this
business we did where we were like, if you need
help with your social media, we want to help. And
I think our main mission behind it too, was again
like what we've been talking about is just doing good

(36:15):
through social media. It can be so negative and people
hate it, and I get that. It's like, there's so
much bad with social media, but Kate has a daughter
because of social media. A lot of our life things
that have happened that are super cool, like the Ted
Talk or different things happened because of social media. Are Mary,
who is your friend? Your friend Mary? We met her

(36:36):
because we just found her on social media. I forget.
I guess it was the shop Forward or whatever, and
we're like, when I have lunch, Well, I met her
on Twitter. I didn't know that, Yes, so well, I
mean we became Twitter friends way before that. But then
I think I met her in person for the first
time in two thousand thirteen, So I don't know how
many years we had tweeted before that. Yeah, yeah, but

(36:57):
so much good can come from social media. And so
we were like, let's take our creative knowledge and see
if we can help people spread more good through social media.
So that's yeah, what we started that we started this week.
So are like Jill and Kate is our band name
and what we go by. But we made and Brand Consulting,

(37:17):
which is the and from Jill and Kate as like ore,
we just that that's our LLC for a consulting business.
I mean we still people still just use Jill and
Kate um, but and brands are a little and on
Instagram at Jill and Kate Jill and Kate. But the
and sign it's a D and Okay, just clarifying, But

(37:37):
if you were to look at it all, when you
go to the page, it's Jill and signed Kate. Probably
maybe we've changed it, like a bunch of we've gone
back and forth with our logo. I don't know what
it currently. It's one of those little business things that
makes you crazy because people sometimes do the amber sand
or the plus and like and because in a link
you can't have an amber stand or to A and D,

(37:57):
you need an Andy. So I just want to make
sure people go they're finding the right Jill and Kate
j Andy Katie. Yes, that's where we are in this,
and so how has that been for y'all diving into that,
and I mentioned I had dinner with Ali last night
and she has worked with y'all. Y'all helped her with
her social media too, and she said that she at

(38:21):
some point she had to do some scaling back, but
what she learned through the time with y'all and it
challenged her to kind of approach social media differently and
not you. I want to speak for her, but I
guess I'm paraphrasing in a way that she just threw.
Y'all was able to get more comfortable hosting about things,
and I was like, oh, I need that. I need that.

(38:41):
I am so awkward and uncomfortable on social media, which
I can be in front of a microphone all day
long and I can do the radio show, I can
host stuff on stage, but you know, I'm just not
the like camera in the face, like talk to the
camera person. And some people have that true gift, and
it's it's fascinating to watch because they're just able to
go through all their day to day life and that's

(39:03):
I feel as though their primary job ish, which that's
you know, thankfully doesn't have to be mine, but still
it seems like in different platforms, you still have this
responsibility to show up on social media even if you
don't want to. Then start to get called out from
higher ups or different people or this or that, like, hey,
you really need to have some presents on social or
I saw even Brooklyn Decker talking about it the other day.

(39:25):
She's a model, actress, philanthropist. You know, her husband's Andy Erotic.
He does not have social media, like I think he
has Twitter, but he doesn't do Instagram. But she I
saw her post something maybe a month ago at this
point where she just said, I just got on the
phone with my team and apparently I need to be
more present on social media. And you know, so I've
seen her sort of upper game, but she's admitting, like,

(39:46):
you know, this is just not my thing. And so
what advice do you all have for people that are
feeling that pull of like I have this whole other
career and now I'm supposed to show up and have
this online career and it's it's for some For me,
that's what is draining sometimes and not that I like
the connection, don't get me wrong, and I do I've

(40:07):
met multiple people on social media, and I do see
the positives like y'all are saying, but it's so hard
to feel like you have to show up on all
these different platforms now like times have changed, and I
get it. I want to be with the times. But help,
And that's what Ali said, You need to get Jill
and Hey, you should maybe work with them and see
if they can help you. That's so nice to hear

(40:28):
Ali say that. We we we kind of dubbed it
as like social media therapy because that's a big part
of what we do for clients, is just talking them
through those kind of issues. But I think for me,
what I always encourage people to do is to think
about who is on the other end of like who's
receiving what you're putting out there, and if you can
look at it through a lens of serving people of

(40:51):
your putting your you're sharing kind of what we talked
about earlier, sharing your experience, sharing what you what you've learned,
what beauty you're seeing in the world, what good you're seeing.
There is such an influx of negativity and bad news
that just is surrounding us all the time. Even if
we tried to avoid it. It's just there. And so
what we try to help people is one, just give

(41:11):
them a plan, because everything is easier if you have
a plan and if you don't have to do the
work to come up with the plan. If some it's
like a trainer, if somebody just like tells you, like here,
do lift this weight right now, like do this thing,
and you're like, okay, I can do that, like right here.
But if you were just like here's a set of weights,
have at it, and you're like, well, what do I do?
Do I pick up this one? Like today? What should I?

(41:33):
And And it's the purpose? Are you trying to, like
as a train if you're going with that analogy, are
you trying to like get huge and like muscles or
you try you know, what is the goal? So the
plan and the purpose is sort of like sometimes like
what do I post on social media? For me? I'm
like I just kind of like to make people laugh,
So like that's sort of my purpose, you know, ever,
whatever it is, And if you have that in mind,

(41:54):
then you're not paralyzed when you're like what should I post?
You know. And so when we like work with clients,
we take them through kind of a little framework that
we've created to help people know, Okay, what is it
that I want to be posting about. We give them
a plan so they know exactly what to post, and
then we can kind of talk through how to not
feel better about showing up on social media, but really

(42:15):
talk about like the people that you're serving. And I
remind people all the time, like one somebody shared their
story on Instagram and that changed my life forever because
somebody shared their story about poster Care and I found
out about poster Care, and then I became a foster parent.
And now I'm like, I have a daughter, Like that's
wild Durns do today, Like that's just that's insane to me.

(42:35):
And so even we are on a coaching call with
a client and that's what we do a lot of now,
is just kind of coaching and helping people come up
with a plan and a purpose for their Instagram. But
they were like, I'm so disappointed this post that I
worked really hard on only got three thousand views, and
I'm just like that is such a bummer. And I
was like, I totally understand, feeling like, man, I just

(42:57):
spent a lot of time and invested in that. But
I'm like, okay, I want you to picture You're in
a room, your post is up on a screen, and
three thousand people walk through it and like see it.
You would be pretty happy that your brand just got
three thousand eyes or your whatever message you're trying, and
then like, Okay, a hundred people liked it. Imagine a
hundred people walking up to you and being like I

(43:17):
like that, I like that, I like that. You would
be like overwhelmed if a hundred people walked past you saying, man,
I like that, And so I think we are and
I think so it's reframing and we have seen it
every time. If you keep serving your audience with what
they're there for, and part of that is just letting
people know what they're going to find on your channel.
If you keep serving and showing up and valuing them

(43:40):
and putting what you're learning into the world, like there's no,
you will grow like there's no. We've never seen it
not happen that way. If you consistently show up and
serve like your your audience like it just it grows
naturally like it can't not. So I love that, and
you know, as like you were saying, Jill Social media
gets a bad rap and because some parts of it

(44:02):
are absolutely toxic, but at the end of the day,
we are thankful for it because it's done so much.
And you know, you even mentioned the shot forward, and
that's mostly Instagram is one of the main ways that
stuff is shared and seen and linked and like, and
then of course you know building emails that go out

(44:24):
that Mary sends out and whatnot. But I think of
like the four things items I just posted, because she
put up the four Things Halloween stuff last night and
my daughter Sissy and I did a little photo shoot
and I was looking at the pictures and I was like, oh,
I'm gonna put this in my Instagram stories and like
include the link and then hopefully that's how people will
see it and then know that it's going to make
an impact two kids here in the US and also

(44:47):
in Haiti, and then it's kind of it spreads that message,
and so it is. Uh. I do get stuck on
certain things sometimes where I look at numbers and like, oh,
what's the point and it doesn't even But then I'm like,
why am I fixating on that? If maybe even one
person just saw it or one person shared it. And
I love your example, Kate of picturing the people physically
walking by and seeing it or physically coming up to

(45:09):
you and giving you a thumbs up, like good job.
I like that, like somebody saying like yeah, but there's
back to that. We can be grateful for social media
and it's doing good as it gives companies and people
platform to put out good product and like Mary is
able to respond to if like the hurricane in Florida,
it's like immediately can go to Instagram or Facebook or

(45:30):
Twitter and these different platforms that yes, sometimes can seem negative,
but they can also have people sharing and commenting, you know,
thank you so much. I live in Florida. That's so
awesome that the shop flad is doing this and whatnot,
and so just highlighting the good that's out there. And
even Donald Miller's posts like he's on their giving like
really sound advice and wisdom, especially from a business standpoint

(45:54):
if you're looking for guidance there. And I love mel
Robbins like I love do y'all follow her? I actually
I just I was looking at books that I listened
to and I forgot that I listened to one of
her books. It's her birthday and she's starting a podcast.
You know, yes, I yeah, my girl Mel. I've never
met her, talk to anything, but somehow I try to
find a way to bring her up. Sometimes on the

(46:15):
fifth thing that I do with my friend Kat, we
joke that's probably a drinking game. Time you hear Mel
take a step because I just I So, there's so
much like good that you can receive, and not all
of it has to be therapeutic. There's also the l
Royal sign in Austin that is like hilarious memes that
you get to laugh at and then post and re

(46:36):
share or like you know, funny therapist accounts that there
was oh gosh, there was something I sent Actually I
sent it to Ali and Gracie after our dinner last night,
and it's this crazy clown looking person and he's sitting
at this table clearly having issues and he's he's on

(46:58):
his phone and he's like me texting my friends, you know,
therapy and advice. Meanwhile, I should be in an insane
ASYLUMCE so I can't find it right now, so that
people have I know, it's such an art. It's so good.
Memes give me so much joy on Instagram and that's
where people. It's a creative outlet for people where they

(47:19):
come up with content and they get to push it
out there and we get to interact with people from
all over the world. Totally. We used to never ever,
ever ever get to do that. Yeah, And it's fun
for us to be able to highlight, like we know
of all of these awesome businesses or people solving problems
for people, or authors who are writing these books. And
it's fun to come alongside because our only job is

(47:40):
to get more people to hear about it through their
social media. So it feels also really purposeful for us,
being like, Okay, we're helping somebody else get their message
out into the world which needs to be heard. And
it's fun for us because we've spent twenty years doing
that for ourselves. And you know, it's like you just
don't get sick of like talking about yourself and like
promoting yourself and to sell as musicians sell your stuff,

(48:02):
your music, like hope you like it, and so like
I just love and it's been we love doing that too.
But to like take someone else and be like let
us help you for some reason, that's just like we
love that part of it. I can tell even in
your face. It's like you light up, and that is
something like you've found it and it's ours joy in
you and that's evident sitting here in the room. So

(48:22):
I would love to hear from each of you four
things that you're thankful for. Instagram or social media cannot
be one of them. I've already covered that. You've already
covered it. Don't worry. Okay. So I don't know, Jill,
do you want to go first? Yes? For right off
the bat? Okay, okay. So one was a food one.
I know people sometimes do food the Trader Joe's. I'm

(48:43):
a Trader Joe's person. I love Trader the brushtta sauce,
Like have you ever tried to make bruschetta. It's very hard.
So they have a really good one. So I'm it's
in the fresh you need to It's in a fresh section.
Not that can put it over like barata and bread.
It's delicious. Not Okay, that's my that's one. Two. I
love fall. I love football season, so I'm just here

(49:05):
for it. That's bringing me so much joy. Here's your
favorite team. Well, I'm from New England, so I'm a
Patriots girl. Okay, that heart I saw someone walking around
with the Patriots jersey here. Yes, so it's a little
rough year for us, but um, I still love it.
A book that has changed my life as an introvert
is called The Introvert Advantage, and I just always want

(49:26):
to tell people about that because I'm very grateful for
that book. If you're an introvert like me, Kate's next
for I'm an introvert. Do you how are you total
straight introvert or sometimes when you have I can turn
the like ambivert thing or whatever? They are you an
introvert extrovert? I'm an extrovert, but I have to recover. Yeah,
And I'm sure a lot of people do. Some actually
I know don't if they're alone. It's like not good

(49:48):
for them. But I have to recharge, especially, I think,
probably because I do so much talking. But then there's
this expectation that because you talk talk talk talk talk,
and you can do this, or you have this type
of job, that you're supposed to be talking talking talk,
and then you're like, no, I can't, but I can.
I can one go a whole weekend well before I

(50:09):
had kids, Yeah, alone and not see or talk to
anybody else. And I am totally okay with that. Yeah,
maybe you have a little introverted I do. That's my recovery,
that's what. And it was confusing to me because I
thought it's something wrong with you, like I'm not to
prett like what's because I can be so extroverted and
then I would have behavior like that and it threw me.
And then that's when I learned that that's okay, Like

(50:31):
I just might need that to recover. Yeah, I know, so, Yeah,
that's so. What's the title of the book again, It's
called The Introvert Advantage, The introvert Advantage. Yeah, I just
I think it used to be like more negative to
be an introvert. I feel like now it's gotten a
little more. It's cool but edgy. It's edgy to look
at you. Yeah, I'm such an I have such an edge.

(50:53):
And number four can I steal as one of my things? Yes,
well you can vote over okay kid's daughter is. She
turns to today and she's like, my favorite, She's so awesome.
I love that. Okay, Um, four things Gratitude over to you, Kate, okay, Um,
I mean I'll just start with g G. She turns
to Today, which feels so wild. Like we were looking

(51:15):
at pictures of like three years ago today and four
years ago today and just thinking like, oh my gosh,
I didn't know that she was coming is wild to
think about, or like even looking at like October four,
like like I didn't know that she was going to
come into my life. So um, super grateful for her.
She's just a total gift and like every sense of
the Lord. So there's this tie place in Cool Springs

(51:38):
called Jasmine Tie. Have you ever been there? But I
love Thaie Food. Okay, it's in a strip mall, so
it's very um so it's awesome. So it's awesome. Number one,
their spring rolls are the best, I swear in all
of Nashville. So I have been obsessing over the like
I it don't put it past me to just order
like eight of them and just have them be my dinner,
Like I don't need anything else. They're so good. It's

(51:58):
been bringing me a lot of joy and very grateful
for it. I've been binging a podcast, Kathy Heller's podcast.
We actually talked about this on our podcast last week.
But she's just she's kind of like inspirational. She's actually
doing an event with mel your best your best friend,
she she is. Yeah, that's actually why I heard about that.
It's her Birthdaken drink and she's kind of okager, said

(52:19):
mel Um, and that she's starting a podcast because they're
doing an event together in l A. So I heard it.
But she just talks about Her podcast is called Don't
Keep Your Day Job, and she talks about people quitting
their nine to five and doing kind of their passion
projects or what brings them joy in life. And as
we've kind of gone from our side hustle to being

(52:40):
our main hustle, it's just been really inspirational to listen to.
She also has a book called Don't Keep Your Day Job,
and I did listen to that audiobook too, and it
was really good. So that's that's kind of like three
three and a half because it's two things. And then
this weather being outside, like when we went for a
walk the other morning, that did so much good for
my soul. Like the cooler, the crisp air, they're just

(53:03):
not sweating all the time when you're outside. I love
being outside, but hate sweating for no reason. So to
be outside and not be sweating was just and to
be in the trees and the fall and the thieves
are changing, and there is a bilateral thing of walking
and talking just helps me process so much more, even
if it's internally. I think that bilateral movement just helps
me get things from my brain to other parts of

(53:25):
my body. So I love it. I love it well.
I am thankful for this chat that we got to
sit down and have today. And while y'all were talking
about something earlier, I did decide to just don't want
to circle back to the the angiogram. I got curious
about the deepest fear if you asked that, And so
for a three threes fear being insignificant or a failure

(53:47):
and that they don't have value and that ends up
Do you feel that way as a kid? Right? Like
because they say they say like what you are is
like what you are? Do you feel like that rings
true as like childhood version of you? Yeah, I mean
I still think in that category. I stand by the
acceptance thing, but I think that that's you know, being seen, accepted,

(54:09):
having value. But then sometimes as an adult now and
doing the work, yes, I think I wanted that and
for some reason, and even in therapy I worked through,
like even high school days like when therapist had me
draw like I was a child, like a draw this
chart like where I saw myself and I feel like
I had a pretty cool high school group, but I
still drew myself on the outside like I never felt

(54:32):
like fully in and and that could be in whatever group.
I'm not saying like the it group by any means.
I'm just saying like in my group. And then as
an adult, I've realized I had placed my value or
I wanted to receive value from the wrong things are
the wrong people. So I've been working hard on that

(54:53):
because I'm not going to always get that validation. But
that's my love language. Just that why I it is yours? Whatever?
What are y'alls? Do you know? Love language? Yeah? Quality time? Quality? Yeah?
What would you say it is? I don't know. We've
just never I don't think a gifts person and maybe
words maybe like words, Well, you all are awesome, like

(55:19):
I've enjoyed this shot, so um, and then I've enjoyed
this time, so Jill, You're awesome. I've loved everything I
have to say. And Kate, I have enjoyed this quality time.
Thank you. And then and you know we mentioned the
Halloween stuff at the Shop Forward and to get to that,
you can go to the shot forward dot com slash
Fall to see all the Fall things. I know, Jill,

(55:41):
you mentioned football and that you have the four Things
hoodie and the first thing on the maroon one is
football and there's even a T shirt. I just feel
like in the fall you need a hoodie. When we
showed up for our walk the other day, which Mary
was there and Gracie, me and Kate, we all had
on shot Forward gear and it wasn't planned at all,
but I think there was like a cool mom i'da
um like a tues Joy item. Oh, like I had

(56:03):
the more joy. I'm pretty much. The fact that I'm
not in one right now is rare. I live in
the Shop Forward stuff almost words fine and find everything's
fine today and then I have this other appointment. I
was like, oh, I need to actually dress up, so
I have on like a blouse. Yeah, and I'm like,
I just like wearing a sweatshirts and whatnot. So you
can find those there. And also, my Four Things Live

(56:25):
event is going down in Wichitall on November five, and
you can hit up tickets at select a seat dot
com slash Amy. That was my first time ever doing
a live podcast with a live audience that is going
to saw you post that. That is going to be
so fun something like that right road trip there, because
we did one in New York and it was so fun.

(56:46):
You're gonna love it. You're gonna love it, That's what
I mean. I'm feeling like this girl's night vibe. But
it'll just be a lot of fun. But some guys
are going to be in attendance, so it's just mine
And there's some fun surprises that I have in the
works that from some different artists, Like they're just messages
of encouragement and so that will and so I'm like

(57:06):
giddy over them. I've collected them all and I was
watching them actually last night because I was working on
some of the layout and I was like, oh, videos
so cool, Like it's just a special So well there,
I said it. It's video messages, but you don't know
from who, I don't know why, but they'll be there.
And then yeah, but there's girls like that are coming
I know solo that are using it as like a

(57:27):
getaway from California, Texas. And then I figured it would
just be people for Wichita and the reason why, which
it is that's our first market ever. I was wondering
that we syndicated because we were based in Austin, and
then when we tried out going to another city, which
is always the first one, and it was so the
love we received there. It went so well that we

(57:48):
ended up getting another city and then another one. So
had it not gone well, there probably would have been
the end of that. But it did. And they've been
so loyal ever since, so that I thought if I
ever wanted to test out something like this, that that
was like seemed like the right that's so cool, the
next right step or the next right place. And I
feel as though I'll get the honest energy feedback from

(58:09):
them because they've been so loyal for so long, Like
I can work through it and fine tune it. If
I end up going somewhere else later, I don't think
you will, because I think people are going to love
That's so I'm excited. So thank you all for the encouragement,
and I'll take any advice that you have. We can
talk about how fair to you or if you have
anything of like just you know when you are My

(58:29):
thing is you know, the connection and seeing the community
and seeing their faces, because when you're talking to people
and as performers, it's be like if you'll create music
and then you people are listening to it, we have
no idea, But then you go perform on a stage
and you're like, oh, you're saying oh wow, oh and
they're singing back and oh there. It's that in the
moment feedback that feels nice. It's like receiving they're like

(58:53):
they're going to be so excited, Like receiving their excitement
and just like honoring that you both are like genuinely
so have to be there. I think that energy exchange
of just like being really grateful. I feel like sometimes
we're thinking about like, Okay, this is what we're going
to talk about this, we got to make sure we
go through all the list, but like really taking a
moment just to like pause, even if it's for like

(59:14):
two seconds before you start talking, to be like I
did this, I'm here, I'm just gonna like feel it
for a second. There's real people. Yeah, just soak it
in because it's so fun. Soak it up. Okay, Well,
Jill and Kate everybody and you can find them on Instagram.
Jill and a Indy Kate and then is it Jill

(59:34):
and Kate dot com. Yes, y'all are lucky. I'm surprised
there's not other Jill and Kate out there that snacked
that up ago. So yeah, thank you so much for
having Yeah, it was so fun. Thank you, and hope
y'all are having the day you need to have. And
I will see you all on Saturday for an ourwey
episode and then next Tuesday for a fit thing. But

(59:57):
in the meantime at Radio Amy on Instagram, UM my
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