April 17, 2021 • 28 mins
Not all eating disorders stem from poor body image. For Tara, her story was about using food as a coping mechanism to control the chaos around her. Tara shares her story of recovery, “quasi recovery” and the inner work she does and teaches daily to live free.
Tara is a Mental health coach, phd researcher, writer, self love advocate, and founder of Reconnect Collective
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out out everything that I'm
made do, won't spend my life trying to change. I'm
learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me.
It's beautiful and I will always out way if you
(00:24):
feel it with your hands in the air, she'll see
love to the boom. I get there. Let's say good
day and time did you and die out? Welcome back
to Outweigh Lisa here, and today I'm joined by special
guest and really good friend, Tara Kemp. Welcome, Tara, Hey,
thank you so much for having me. So we have
(00:45):
done a lot of quote unquote work together, like we've
done Instagram lives together, and I'm always trying to repost
all the good word that you're putting out on Instagram.
So of course we'll put Terror's Instagram below. But why
don't you just introduce yourself and tell everybody a little
bit about you? Sure? So, i am a mental health
coach and researcher, and I'm the founder of Reconnect Collective,
(01:08):
which houses programs and resources that guide women through the
inner work to reconnect with food, body, and self. So
my work explores and teaches the skills and tools that
build long term mental well being and help people to
live with intention and authenticity and inner peace ultimately. And
(01:30):
so this work includes academic research I'm getting my PhD
right now, as well as retreats. And then my signature
group coaching program is Reconnect Academy. So that's a little
bit about what I do, yes, and I want to
dive so into that because it really is very different
than a lot of things out there when it comes
to people who are struggling with food stuff and the
options available. But before we do, we sometimes have guests
(01:53):
on and we sometimes have experts on, and then once
in a while we get a blend of both, meaning
the expert has a personal story that really bleeds into
their work. I feel like you kind of fit into
that category. That definitely feels like me. So, how how
did you find your way out of the darkness? And
what did your darkness look like? I love that question.
(02:15):
I love the way that you've phrased it. Of course,
as I'm sure you know, you know, finding one's way
out of the darkness is not oh I did this
and then it happened, you know, it was it was
a long process. With stages and ups and downs and
ins and outs that you know, it felt like it
was happening, and then it um you know, you have
the times where it feels like you fall backwards and
(02:35):
all of that. But you know, for me, my darkness
looked like feeling very misunderstood. I did the time I had,
I hid from myself a lot of the struggles that
I was having. I feel like I wasn't fully aware
of what was happening for me. With food, it definitely
fell into the category of this is a coping mechanism.
And um, it didn't start with body image struggles. It
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more so started with my life is feeling chaotic and
things are falling away and I'm having this kind of
identity crisis and I'm feeling really badly about myself. It
was more so that lack of control in life and
that confusion in life in general, and feeling like, oh,
here's something I can control and this makes me feel safe,
and so that's where it started. I didn't even realize
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at first that I was restricting. It wasn't a conscious thing,
and it just happened. And then it was like the
realization came once it was full blown and then there
was so much shame there that I was trying to
pretend like it wasn't happening even though it was. And
so that's kind of where the darkness started. And from
there it just became this evolving path of trying to
find a way out that resonated with me. You know,
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it's not like I was admitted to a treatment center. UM,
I didn't receive the help that I needed. Everyone in
my life did the best that they could, um, but
nobody really knew what they were doing. I never received
quite the help that I needed at the time. That
came later for me. But you know, along the way,
it was and like I said, an ever evolving process
of fine ending the pieces of myself that needed my
(04:02):
love and giving myself love in those places and learning
how to be that presence for myself, but also learning
how to trust other people to lead me in that process. UM.
I'd say that's kind of the balance of what ultimately
led to the final place of finding peace. I mean,
I feel like I could go off on a million
different tangents from that, but the one thing that you
said in the beginning was that it didn't start from
(04:24):
a place of body image and for some people that
might be really confusing. Don't eating disorders or do do
identify with saying eating disorder or disordered eating in your past? Yeah,
either one. It wasn't a diagnosed eating disorder, but you know,
you could definitely call it that, So you use whatever interchangeably.
The typical person, even people who are pretty well versed
in eating disorders, do think of them as stemming from
(04:47):
body image stuff related to diet culture, related to people
commenting on your body. Yet for you, that wasn't the
case at all. It was this external world spinning you around,
causing you to feel k aodic and no ways to
slow it down. Besides, for what food became for you,
Like you said, a coping mechanism, So what does it
(05:08):
mean for food to be a coping mechanism? Let's go
further there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm glad you're asking
about that. So I hold the perspective that all eating
disorders are coping mechanisms in some way, and that doesn't
show up the same for everyone that looks different. Um,
there are different ways that we can use food. So
food can be something that we use to run away,
that we use to distract, that we use to numb.
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Some people over stuff themselves, and some people restrict and um,
I fell into the ladder category. But to me, the
way that food shows up as a coping mechanism, what
that means is life is hard, and we're going to
be uncomfortable, and we're going to come up against things
that we don't have the tools and resources to deal with,
and so we use different coping mechanisms. I feel the
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same way about most forms of addiction and alcoholism and
things like that. You know, it ultimately comes down to
we have this discomfort, we're feeling um some and motion
or going through some experience that we don't know how
to handle on our own, and we don't have the
tools and resources to deal with it in a way
that helps us to move through that challenge, and so
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we turned to something else to help us to cope
with that experience. And so that's what I mean by that.
Does that make sense? Yeah? And would you say, for
you in that situation, you didn't know that you were
using food to cope in that moment? Correct? Okay? So
I think that's interesting too, because I think it was
kind of unconscious and it felt good, but maybe you know,
(06:32):
you hadn't done all the work that you've done now
to really like be introspective in that moment, And next thing,
you know, you're sick. Where did you find yourself when
you finally woke up and realized, Okay, I might have
found some sort of quote unquote control, but this isn't
good either. It was really, you know, someone else who
brought it to my attention, and that got my wheels turning.
But again, also it's like the awareness was coupled with shame,
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and so I immediately tried to make it not true
and try to convince myself and everyone else that there
wasn't a problem. So it took a while for me
to get to a place where I could admit to
myself what was happening, what had happened. Um, So it
was kind of this unfolding of kind of being at
war in my mind where I would notice things and
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be like, oh, that's not good. I don't want to
be doing that. I don't like how that feels. But
at the same time, I can't let anyone know this
is happening. I need to keep presenting myself as like
totally fine and convince everyone else that I'm totally fine. UM.
So I really took it on myself to try and
figure that out. And like I said, it wasn't until
I really found external support that I feel like it
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finally got to that place of true healing. I feel
like I was kind of in this semi recovered some
people call it quasi recovery state for a while, where
I was back to a healthy weight um for my body.
You know, the doctor said healthy b M. I. I I
know there's a lot of contention around that term, but
I was quote weight restored and you know, living a
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normal daily life, like I was getting good grades and
showing up in any work that I had at the time,
and had great friendships and you know, had a good
relationship with a partner, and like things were going well,
but I was still struggling underneath in certain ways. At
certain times, sometimes it felt like I was totally fun
and other times, you know, ship would hit the fan
in life and then things come up again. And so
it wasn't until I finally did that true inner work
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of being fully truthful and honest with myself and bringing
light to those shadow places like you were saying, and
learning how to sit with those parts of myself and
be with myself in my wholeness. It was really it
was the underlying foundational work that then built the true,
you know, healing with all of the surface level things,
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which I think food ultimately kind of lands itself in,
you know, it's it's the deeper work that creates the
healing that then in turn shows up in the behaviors
that we see on the surface. And I don't think
we've I've never used the phrase quasi recovery. I don't
think I've ever had a word for it. So thank
you for that. I certainly see it all the time,
and now that you're bringing it up, and I'm sure
(09:02):
a lot of our listeners might actually find themselves in
quasi recovery. I personally think it's a an important place
to be because it's usually, you know, very few people
make it from having an eating disorder disordered eating to
fully recovered. So that quasi recovery stage is really key.
So for anybody listening and they're like, oh, I mean,
(09:23):
quasi am not there yet, I feel really hopeful about
what's happening next totally because it means that you've already
acknowledged and recognized something was wrong, and you've been trying,
and you're you're definitely in a better place than you
have been, and it gives you an even stronger foundation
to keep doing that work. For sure. So once you've
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you know, solidified that your weight is restored and your
body is not an imminent danger. Really, only then can
you start to peel the next layer of the onion,
which is the inner work, and that shadow work also
phrases we haven't used before, So can you share with
our audience what shadow work is? Sure? So shadow work
to me, I would define as the work of looking
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at the parts of yourself that you have been hiding
or that you feel are not enough, or that you
hold fear or shame, or any type of discomfort around
the parts of yourself that nobody collapse for the parts
of yourself that feel like they shouldn't be there, um
that you feel resistant too, and basically those things that
just feel like icky or that you want to hide
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and not look at like anything that would fall into
that category. It is the work of bringing light to that.
And what I mean by that is simply bringing your
awareness to it, bringing um it into a space of
looking at it and processing it and sitting with it
and learning how to accept and even beyond accept, you know,
bring unconditional love to those parts of yourself. But it
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it doesn't come right away, Like that is a full
on process. Like they call it inner work for a reason,
because it's not like you find these parts of yourself.
For instance, like I for years would not admit to anyone.
I didn't even utter the word eating disorder. I never
told anyone that I had struggled with it. I think
a phrase that I once told my my boyfriend at
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the time was I used to be kind of weird
around food, but like that is all that I said,
you know. And so bringing light to that part of myself.
Being able to sit there and say, you know, I
had disordered eating or I had an eating disorder felt
so shameful. And so it's not like I can immediately
just say that and be like okay, now, I you know,
brought light to that shadow. It was like, oh, this
feels terrible. I feel like no one will love me
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now if they know this thing, and I will never
be able to create the career that I want to have,
or you know, whatever it was. I just felt like
that part of me was wrong or bad or not
enough or broken, and so it's finding all those pieces
of myself that felt broken and not enough. My anxiety
was another piece. I had generalized anxiety as a kid,
and I have done a lot of work to build
a new relationship with that part of myself too. And
(11:54):
again it takes time. It takes effort to shift your
perspective and to hold it in a different way to
be able to look at it and say it's okay
for you to be here, like you know, all parts
of myself or are welcome to be here, rather than
I need to hide these things and push these things
away and only show these parts of myself to the
world so that I can be worthy or loved or
valued or whatever. And now you help people do this
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inner work, which very much involves facing food, but clearly
so much more. And I feel like, now that I'm
learning more about your story, it really is the perfect
culmination of the key words that you say helped you.
You know, you said people got you there, asking for
help got you there, moving away from shame got you there.
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And then doing that extra layer of work beyond food
to find out what was living in your shadows and
releasing the shame. I feel like that's that's kind of
like the big themes, and now you've turned that into
a program called Reconnect. So tell us about reconnect in
general and the specific Yeah, so that's exactly what brought
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together Reconnect Academy. You know, it was really that recognition
that the inner work is the foundation for all of
the other healing that shows up in terms of food. So,
you know, I help women to heal their relationship with
their food and body, but it's ultimately a course and
healing their relationship with themselves. And it's it's recognizing any
struggles with food or body image as a doorway to
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the inner work and that that creates personal freedom and
resilience in all aspects of your life. It's not just food.
You know. We we have this course where you know,
people come in and they join because they're struggling with food,
and then they end up leaving feeling this sense of
self worth and feeling like they know how to set
healthy boundaries and relationships in their lives. And you know,
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they can show up differently with their partner and their
parents and their friends, and they have a stronger sense
of self, They have a stronger self identity, They have
a stronger sense of connection to purpose and meaning in
their lives, and those are the things that ultimately build acovery.
As I mentioned briefly in the INTI, I'm also doing
my PhD. And you know, through through researching what you know,
(14:06):
different methods, there aren't eating disorder recovery. You know, we're
finding that there are basically these two models. There's the
medical model and then there's the recovery model. And the
medical model is the traditional we need to alleviate and
remove the symptoms, and then the recovery model is that's
kind of emerged more recently when looking at more qualitative data,
rather than saying, you know, how can we just you know,
(14:27):
remove these symptoms, but more so saying okay, in longitudinal research,
in qualitative research, looking at accounts of people who are
in long term recovery, what are the common factors, what
do they feel, you know, created that for them, and
researching more into that aspect of it. And what we
found is that mental health is not just the absence
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of mental illness, it's the presence of mental wellness. And
those two aren't simply opposites. It's not like if you
alleviate the symptoms then suddenly you're well. You have to
add the things. It's the addition of things that that
create the foundation for health. And what we found is
that's things like having a positive self identity, having a
sense of meaning and purpose, having deep personal connections with
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friends and things like that, having a sense of spirituality,
which doesn't have to mean religion, it can just be
like a connection to something bigger than yourself. But all
of these things are what truly build these foundations of
mental well being. And so knowing that and having my
own story, that's why I built Reconnect Academy. And you know,
the first half of the course we talk very little
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about food. You know, it's really building up these you know,
recognizing the root causes of where did this come from
and how is this being created in in your life,
and then moving forward from there to say, okay, and
now we're going to shift our perspective forward and rewrite
our story and build in these, like I said, these
foundational level things to build that mental wellness that then
facilitates all of the then work that we do with
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food and body. So yeah, basically that's that's kind of
what created And I forget what your initial question was,
but that is the Reconnect Academy trajectory. I guess it's
awesome and I feel like if I were going through it,
it would be the exact program I would gravitate towards
because it's also a nice blend of one on one
with community. But I don't know if I would have
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been willing at the time when I was struggling, because
I didn't really know it was a food issue until
after that, like that I needed help with food. So
a program that's going to talk about food but then also,
you know, be more focused on self discovery and the
meaning of life, that part might drag me in more,
and then I might be able to see the shadows
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a little bit more. I just want to highlight one
thing you said about the medical approach to treatment versus
the recovery model, that I get those words right, So
I just want to highlight what you said in more
obvious terms if it wasn't. But essentially, the medical model
says you are recovered when you get to a quote
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unquote healthy weight, when you stop binging, when you stop purging,
when you stop restricting. Like giving just some very obvious
examples here, But the truth is many of us know
that in the absence of those things, we can still
be struggling with food, thoughts about food, or just struggling
with mental illness in general. So a lot of times
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people leave treatment or I will actually go a little
bit further to say, families get their child or their
loved one or their partner back from treatment and expected
to quote unquote work. But yes, they stopped doing these behaviors,
but the deeper layers were not a cheat. So yes,
there's a positive there because the person can survive in
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their heart's going to beat and you know, they have
enough electrolytes going on and they're happening in their body.
But we need to consider exactly what you said that,
what does recovery really mean, Like, is there a better
word to say this person is at a different stage
that doesn't say recovered, because recovered kind of sends the
wrong message, especially when the person leaves treatment. I'm supposed
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to be recover word, and then there have new feelings
of shame because they're still struggling, right exactly. And that's
something I'm glad that you mentioned that because I was
going to clarify that after I said it. You know,
I I don't want to present any idea that I
am against the medical model. The medical model is important.
You know, if someone is experiencing physical symptoms, we need
to have them under medical care, you know, self self
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harm and being underweight, and like you said, the electronic bounces.
There are so many reasons that it's beneficial, but as
you said, it's not complete. In many many cases of
people who go through treatment don't respond to it and
then relapse. And so we've got up to seventy people
go through treatment and then are left not actually recovered,
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and that's terrible, Like we don't we don't want that
to be the case, and so we need to look
at the places where, like you said, how can we
shift our perspective of what it means to be recovered
and to be in recovery. And I feel like it's
very similar to addiction treatment centers where you know, you'll
go for a week, two weeks, a month, and the
person comes back quote unquote sober, free of the substance,
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but they're still struggling with all the demons that got
them there, so they're also gonna, you know, likely come back. However,
perhaps maybe I might be off base here, but there
are more ongoing programs to stay sober and work on
your stuff. Then there are for eating disorders other than
you know, working with a therapist or a registered dietitian.
And again que the community that you provide that is
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like a really key healing aspect of releasing the shame.
And also the fact that you know your programs online
I think I know from my programs, like it provides
a really safe space for women that don't know each
other to show up and be more vulnerable sometimes than
they would if they were in the same room or
they had ties to the same community in their real life. Yeah,
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you know, it's it's really nice, similar to like you said,
so much kind of like an a a situation, like
it's nice that you can have this space where we
don't know one another's families, we don't know one another's friends,
don't know part of the same community. Like you said,
it's a safe space to be to show up as
your full self. And there are many women these programs
who are sharing things that some of their closest friends
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and family members don't know at this point. But it's
it feels like like you said, there's there's this safe
space not only in people not really knowing these other
aspects of your life, but also having this space where
everyone is showing up with the same intention for being
there because they want to do the work and they
want to support one another in that, and you know,
it really creates this this community space where you feel
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seen and you feel heard, and you feel understood but
also accepted and safe in all of these pieces of
yourself that you have previously held shame around. You know,
you feel connected to these other women going through the
same process, even if the details are different, and there's
something really special and sacred in that. And for those
of you that have heard me talk about my program,
my program and Terrors are very different structurally, so yours
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run at certain times of the year. You have to apply.
Each person has one on one meetings with you as
well as group sessions, I believe, so it's a lot
more hands on and intensive in a short amount of time. Correct. Yep, Yeah,
it's a three month program, and yeah there's every other
week one on one meetings with me as well as
weekly group meetings twice a week. It's a very intensive program.
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It's very high touch, very intensive. So for those of
you who are like, okay, this is what I need.
When will the next one be? Tara? Yeah, so enrollment
opens again in June, and then the next program will
start in July. So July, August, September will be the
next three month program. UM. But June is when you
can expect to see enrollment open. Can people apply now
or um? If you go to my website, you will
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sign up for the waitlist and so that's when you
will be notified as soon as enrollment is open. Okay, perfect,
got it understood. UM, so you can check that out.
I'll put all the information below and moving into a
little bit of you because you're one of my favorite
people to follow on Instagram. My husband Evan actually found
Tara two or three years ago. I was like, you
need to follow Tara. She is like you, but like cooler.
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But that's what he was thinking. He's like, you need
to follow her. No, but you know, normally I ignore him,
but I went to your page and I was like, Okay,
this this girl is really cool. She's full of light.
In a world of social media that looks one way,
yours does not look that way. I'm always feeling recharged
and replenished, so as somebody who I look up to
as a role model. I'd love to know what's one
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thing that you do every day to stay connected to yourself.
I would say, I am always checking in with myself,
and that can take different forms, but I am always
always checking with myself and paying attention to how am
I feeling. And you know, even if, like literally this morning,
if you were to open the notes in my phone,
the top note would be one that says to journal
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and I have a bullet point because or I have
like three bullet points because this morning, as I was
like sitting there starting to do work, I was like, oh, like,
I'm feeling all these things coming up, and it was okay,
I need to take five minutes. I don't have time
to right now sit down and do the full journal
session that I want to do. But these are the
things that I'm feeling coming up for me, and so
I'm going to just jot down some bullet points that
I want to come back to you later and just
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knowing like being present to myself, and you know, very
often that takes the form of meditation. I'd say meditation
and journaling are like my two biggest rocks for keeping
me grounded and keeping me connected. To myself. But even
if I don't have or make I should say I
don't make the time for that full session in that moment.
As as those feelings were coming up, It's not like
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I was like, Oh, let me just go break and
do half an hour of journaling right now. I was
aware of it, and so I wrote it down. Okay,
I'm feeling this thing. Here's what I'm thinking about I'm
feeling this thing. Here's what I'm thinking about it, And
I know I'll come back to it later and process
it more and dig in. I'm constantly questioning myself and
staying curious. I think that in the path of self discovery,
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the two most important things to marry together are curiosity
and compassion. To always be asking questions about what's coming up?
Why is this here? What would I think about this?
What would it be like if this for true? Instead?
You know all of those things, and to be compassionate
with whatever comes up for myself, you know, to me
that safe space for anything that I find that allows
me to be honest with myself because I know that
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no matter what I find, I can hold a safe
space for it and I can process it without judging
or shaming myself, and that is like the ultimate key
for me in everything. I love that you said that
you're always questioning yourself and bringing curiosity to it, because
without that second part of curiosity, it sounds like you're
always questioning everything that you do or you eat. But
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that's not what you meant at all. Yeah, it's not
like judgment and like oh am I wrong, am I.
It's more so like, oh, like I wonder, I wonder
what's happening right now, or like you know, I wonder
where that feeling is coming from, and and being gentle
with it. It's not like I need to find all
the answers. It's just kind of a gentle unfolding of
I'm gonna open up space for this truth to come forward.
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And every day, I mean, I love that we're just
reminded that this inner work is not a one stop shop.
It's a daily check in, but it becomes more loving
and not disciplined, but rather something you want to do
when you open yourself up to it and absolutely kind
of flow in that juiciness. You're not meditating because you
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have to. You're meditating because that's your time to be gentle,
to be curious, to not be you know, working on
your PhD or you're all the things that you want
to do accomplish in this world. Exactly. Yeah. To me,
willpower isn't sustainable. Willpower is kind of opposing forces. It's
me trying to do something that is opposing the energy
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of what I truly want to do. Whereas if you
want it to be a long term ritual or a
long term habit, it has to be something that is
an alignment. The energy needs to be propelling you forward
in the way that your energy wants to go. Already
with anything, not just food, not just exercise, I mean
just so long. I tried the willpower and the discipline thing,
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and it worked for a week, two weeks, and then
you know, I burnt out because that opposing forces, so
to flow through it is just makes more sense. The
last thing I just want to ask you about, because
I've benefited from it, is your affirmation deck. Are you
still selling those? Yes, the affirmation deck is still alive
and well, and I'm so glad that you know you
have benefited from it. I use them every single day.
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I don't know, our audience might not be familiar with
what an affirmation deck is. And I want to offer
them another tool to connect with themselves. Can you share
what an affirmation deck is and what yours is specifically? Sure,
First of all, affirmations are statements that affirm something about ourselves.
That is us telling ourselves something about ourselves or something
about our lives that we want to believe and that
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some part of us does believe. But there are these
often not always, but often there are parts of ourselves
that are questioning this in the more negative questioning way,
or are you know, have these limiting beliefs or whatever
it is, And so affirmations help us to build up
a new narrative for ourselves. And UM can be sometimes
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mantra statements that you repeat to yourself that helped like
kind of ground you and bring you back. But it
can also just be, you know, a list of things
that you you say to yourself to kind of put
your mindset in the right place to set the intention
for the day. UM. But an affirmation deck is a
deck of cards. They're typically like fifteen to fifty cards
in a deck, and it has a single affirmation on
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each card, typically some sort of artwork, and it just
creates more ritual to the activity because you can shuffle
the deck and pull one out and see what comes
to you, you know, in in that way from the day,
or you can specifically sort through the deck and choose one.
If you can put them up in your house in
different places where you need to see them. I'll sometimes
take an affirmation card to my desk and put it
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on my desk, or have it sitting on my nightstand
where I need to see that message as I get
up in the morning, or whatever it is. You know,
you can you can use them in all these different ways,
but it's essentially a deck of of these affirmations for
you to use. And so we have a deck of
thirty three affirmations. Um I wrote all of the words,
and then a friend of mine who is an artist,
did the artwork for the cards, and each card is
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like its own piece of artwork and it's really special
and um yeah, I I love it and it's it's
become a daily practice for me. Awesome. Well, I hope
everyone can benefit from checking out that deck, or at
least considering adding affirmations to their journaling sessions or just
to waking up. I like to wake up and just
do a little affirmation and especially in the muddier moments
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because like you said, you're like kind of not sure
what's going on. So thank you so much for your
time and your expertise and your personal story, and we're
gonna link all your information below so everyone can follow you,
check out Reconnect Collective and Academy, and stay in touch
with your beautiful soul. Thanks for being a guest, Tarah,
Thank you so much. Lisa, Love you,
I won't let my body out out everything that I'm
made do, won't spend my life trying to change. I'm
learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me.
It's beautiful and I will always out way if you
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feel it with your hands in the air, she'll see
love to the boom. I get there. Let's say good
day and time did you and die out? Welcome back
to Outweigh Lisa here, and today I'm joined by special
guest and really good friend, Tara Kemp. Welcome, Tara, Hey,
thank you so much for having me. So we have
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done a lot of quote unquote work together, like we've
done Instagram lives together, and I'm always trying to repost
all the good word that you're putting out on Instagram.
So of course we'll put Terror's Instagram below. But why
don't you just introduce yourself and tell everybody a little
bit about you? Sure? So, i am a mental health
coach and researcher, and I'm the founder of Reconnect Collective,
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which houses programs and resources that guide women through the
inner work to reconnect with food, body, and self. So
my work explores and teaches the skills and tools that
build long term mental well being and help people to
live with intention and authenticity and inner peace ultimately. And
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so this work includes academic research I'm getting my PhD
right now, as well as retreats. And then my signature
group coaching program is Reconnect Academy. So that's a little
bit about what I do, yes, and I want to
dive so into that because it really is very different
than a lot of things out there when it comes
to people who are struggling with food stuff and the
options available. But before we do, we sometimes have guests
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on and we sometimes have experts on, and then once
in a while we get a blend of both, meaning
the expert has a personal story that really bleeds into
their work. I feel like you kind of fit into
that category. That definitely feels like me. So, how how
did you find your way out of the darkness? And
what did your darkness look like? I love that question.
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I love the way that you've phrased it. Of course,
as I'm sure you know, you know, finding one's way
out of the darkness is not oh I did this
and then it happened, you know, it was it was
a long process. With stages and ups and downs and
ins and outs that you know, it felt like it
was happening, and then it um you know, you have
the times where it feels like you fall backwards and
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all of that. But you know, for me, my darkness
looked like feeling very misunderstood. I did the time I had,
I hid from myself a lot of the struggles that
I was having. I feel like I wasn't fully aware
of what was happening for me. With food, it definitely
fell into the category of this is a coping mechanism.
And um, it didn't start with body image struggles. It
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more so started with my life is feeling chaotic and
things are falling away and I'm having this kind of
identity crisis and I'm feeling really badly about myself. It
was more so that lack of control in life and
that confusion in life in general, and feeling like, oh,
here's something I can control and this makes me feel safe,
and so that's where it started. I didn't even realize
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at first that I was restricting. It wasn't a conscious thing,
and it just happened. And then it was like the
realization came once it was full blown and then there
was so much shame there that I was trying to
pretend like it wasn't happening even though it was. And
so that's kind of where the darkness started. And from
there it just became this evolving path of trying to
find a way out that resonated with me. You know,
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it's not like I was admitted to a treatment center. UM,
I didn't receive the help that I needed. Everyone in
my life did the best that they could, um, but
nobody really knew what they were doing. I never received
quite the help that I needed at the time. That
came later for me. But you know, along the way,
it was and like I said, an ever evolving process
of fine ending the pieces of myself that needed my
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love and giving myself love in those places and learning
how to be that presence for myself, but also learning
how to trust other people to lead me in that process. UM.
I'd say that's kind of the balance of what ultimately
led to the final place of finding peace. I mean,
I feel like I could go off on a million
different tangents from that, but the one thing that you
said in the beginning was that it didn't start from
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a place of body image and for some people that
might be really confusing. Don't eating disorders or do do
identify with saying eating disorder or disordered eating in your past? Yeah,
either one. It wasn't a diagnosed eating disorder, but you know,
you could definitely call it that, So you use whatever interchangeably.
The typical person, even people who are pretty well versed
in eating disorders, do think of them as stemming from
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body image stuff related to diet culture, related to people
commenting on your body. Yet for you, that wasn't the
case at all. It was this external world spinning you around,
causing you to feel k aodic and no ways to
slow it down. Besides, for what food became for you,
Like you said, a coping mechanism, So what does it
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mean for food to be a coping mechanism? Let's go
further there. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm glad you're asking
about that. So I hold the perspective that all eating
disorders are coping mechanisms in some way, and that doesn't
show up the same for everyone that looks different. Um,
there are different ways that we can use food. So
food can be something that we use to run away,
that we use to distract, that we use to numb.
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Some people over stuff themselves, and some people restrict and um,
I fell into the ladder category. But to me, the
way that food shows up as a coping mechanism, what
that means is life is hard, and we're going to
be uncomfortable, and we're going to come up against things
that we don't have the tools and resources to deal with,
and so we use different coping mechanisms. I feel the
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same way about most forms of addiction and alcoholism and
things like that. You know, it ultimately comes down to
we have this discomfort, we're feeling um some and motion
or going through some experience that we don't know how
to handle on our own, and we don't have the
tools and resources to deal with it in a way
that helps us to move through that challenge, and so
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we turned to something else to help us to cope
with that experience. And so that's what I mean by that.
Does that make sense? Yeah? And would you say, for
you in that situation, you didn't know that you were
using food to cope in that moment? Correct? Okay? So
I think that's interesting too, because I think it was
kind of unconscious and it felt good, but maybe you know,
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you hadn't done all the work that you've done now
to really like be introspective in that moment, And next thing,
you know, you're sick. Where did you find yourself when
you finally woke up and realized, Okay, I might have
found some sort of quote unquote control, but this isn't
good either. It was really, you know, someone else who
brought it to my attention, and that got my wheels turning.
But again, also it's like the awareness was coupled with shame,
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and so I immediately tried to make it not true
and try to convince myself and everyone else that there
wasn't a problem. So it took a while for me
to get to a place where I could admit to
myself what was happening, what had happened. Um, So it
was kind of this unfolding of kind of being at
war in my mind where I would notice things and
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be like, oh, that's not good. I don't want to
be doing that. I don't like how that feels. But
at the same time, I can't let anyone know this
is happening. I need to keep presenting myself as like
totally fine and convince everyone else that I'm totally fine. UM.
So I really took it on myself to try and
figure that out. And like I said, it wasn't until
I really found external support that I feel like it
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finally got to that place of true healing. I feel
like I was kind of in this semi recovered some
people call it quasi recovery state for a while, where
I was back to a healthy weight um for my body.
You know, the doctor said healthy b M. I. I I
know there's a lot of contention around that term, but
I was quote weight restored and you know, living a
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normal daily life, like I was getting good grades and
showing up in any work that I had at the time,
and had great friendships and you know, had a good
relationship with a partner, and like things were going well,
but I was still struggling underneath in certain ways. At
certain times, sometimes it felt like I was totally fun
and other times, you know, ship would hit the fan
in life and then things come up again. And so
it wasn't until I finally did that true inner work
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of being fully truthful and honest with myself and bringing
light to those shadow places like you were saying, and
learning how to sit with those parts of myself and
be with myself in my wholeness. It was really it
was the underlying foundational work that then built the true,
you know, healing with all of the surface level things,
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which I think food ultimately kind of lands itself in,
you know, it's it's the deeper work that creates the
healing that then in turn shows up in the behaviors
that we see on the surface. And I don't think
we've I've never used the phrase quasi recovery. I don't
think I've ever had a word for it. So thank
you for that. I certainly see it all the time,
and now that you're bringing it up, and I'm sure
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a lot of our listeners might actually find themselves in
quasi recovery. I personally think it's a an important place
to be because it's usually, you know, very few people
make it from having an eating disorder disordered eating to
fully recovered. So that quasi recovery stage is really key.
So for anybody listening and they're like, oh, I mean,
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quasi am not there yet, I feel really hopeful about
what's happening next totally because it means that you've already
acknowledged and recognized something was wrong, and you've been trying,
and you're you're definitely in a better place than you
have been, and it gives you an even stronger foundation
to keep doing that work. For sure. So once you've
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you know, solidified that your weight is restored and your
body is not an imminent danger. Really, only then can
you start to peel the next layer of the onion,
which is the inner work, and that shadow work also
phrases we haven't used before, So can you share with
our audience what shadow work is? Sure? So shadow work
to me, I would define as the work of looking
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at the parts of yourself that you have been hiding
or that you feel are not enough, or that you
hold fear or shame, or any type of discomfort around
the parts of yourself that nobody collapse for the parts
of yourself that feel like they shouldn't be there, um
that you feel resistant too, and basically those things that
just feel like icky or that you want to hide
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and not look at like anything that would fall into
that category. It is the work of bringing light to that.
And what I mean by that is simply bringing your
awareness to it, bringing um it into a space of
looking at it and processing it and sitting with it
and learning how to accept and even beyond accept, you know,
bring unconditional love to those parts of yourself. But it
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it doesn't come right away, Like that is a full
on process. Like they call it inner work for a reason,
because it's not like you find these parts of yourself.
For instance, like I for years would not admit to anyone.
I didn't even utter the word eating disorder. I never
told anyone that I had struggled with it. I think
a phrase that I once told my my boyfriend at
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the time was I used to be kind of weird
around food, but like that is all that I said,
you know. And so bringing light to that part of myself.
Being able to sit there and say, you know, I
had disordered eating or I had an eating disorder felt
so shameful. And so it's not like I can immediately
just say that and be like okay, now, I you know,
brought light to that shadow. It was like, oh, this
feels terrible. I feel like no one will love me
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now if they know this thing, and I will never
be able to create the career that I want to have,
or you know, whatever it was. I just felt like
that part of me was wrong or bad or not
enough or broken, and so it's finding all those pieces
of myself that felt broken and not enough. My anxiety
was another piece. I had generalized anxiety as a kid,
and I have done a lot of work to build
a new relationship with that part of myself too. And
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again it takes time. It takes effort to shift your
perspective and to hold it in a different way to
be able to look at it and say it's okay
for you to be here, like you know, all parts
of myself or are welcome to be here, rather than
I need to hide these things and push these things
away and only show these parts of myself to the
world so that I can be worthy or loved or
valued or whatever. And now you help people do this
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inner work, which very much involves facing food, but clearly
so much more. And I feel like, now that I'm
learning more about your story, it really is the perfect
culmination of the key words that you say helped you.
You know, you said people got you there, asking for
help got you there, moving away from shame got you there.
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And then doing that extra layer of work beyond food
to find out what was living in your shadows and
releasing the shame. I feel like that's that's kind of
like the big themes, and now you've turned that into
a program called Reconnect. So tell us about reconnect in
general and the specific Yeah, so that's exactly what brought
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together Reconnect Academy. You know, it was really that recognition
that the inner work is the foundation for all of
the other healing that shows up in terms of food. So,
you know, I help women to heal their relationship with
their food and body, but it's ultimately a course and
healing their relationship with themselves. And it's it's recognizing any
struggles with food or body image as a doorway to
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the inner work and that that creates personal freedom and
resilience in all aspects of your life. It's not just food.
You know. We we have this course where you know,
people come in and they join because they're struggling with food,
and then they end up leaving feeling this sense of
self worth and feeling like they know how to set
healthy boundaries and relationships in their lives. And you know,
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they can show up differently with their partner and their
parents and their friends, and they have a stronger sense
of self, They have a stronger self identity, They have
a stronger sense of connection to purpose and meaning in
their lives, and those are the things that ultimately build acovery.
As I mentioned briefly in the INTI, I'm also doing
my PhD. And you know, through through researching what you know,
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different methods, there aren't eating disorder recovery. You know, we're
finding that there are basically these two models. There's the
medical model and then there's the recovery model. And the
medical model is the traditional we need to alleviate and
remove the symptoms, and then the recovery model is that's
kind of emerged more recently when looking at more qualitative data,
rather than saying, you know, how can we just you know,
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remove these symptoms, but more so saying okay, in longitudinal research,
in qualitative research, looking at accounts of people who are
in long term recovery, what are the common factors, what
do they feel, you know, created that for them, and
researching more into that aspect of it. And what we
found is that mental health is not just the absence
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of mental illness, it's the presence of mental wellness. And
those two aren't simply opposites. It's not like if you
alleviate the symptoms then suddenly you're well. You have to
add the things. It's the addition of things that that
create the foundation for health. And what we found is
that's things like having a positive self identity, having a
sense of meaning and purpose, having deep personal connections with
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friends and things like that, having a sense of spirituality,
which doesn't have to mean religion, it can just be
like a connection to something bigger than yourself. But all
of these things are what truly build these foundations of
mental well being. And so knowing that and having my
own story, that's why I built Reconnect Academy. And you know,
the first half of the course we talk very little
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about food. You know, it's really building up these you know,
recognizing the root causes of where did this come from
and how is this being created in in your life,
and then moving forward from there to say, okay, and
now we're going to shift our perspective forward and rewrite
our story and build in these, like I said, these
foundational level things to build that mental wellness that then
facilitates all of the then work that we do with
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food and body. So yeah, basically that's that's kind of
what created And I forget what your initial question was,
but that is the Reconnect Academy trajectory. I guess it's
awesome and I feel like if I were going through it,
it would be the exact program I would gravitate towards
because it's also a nice blend of one on one
with community. But I don't know if I would have
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been willing at the time when I was struggling, because
I didn't really know it was a food issue until
after that, like that I needed help with food. So
a program that's going to talk about food but then also,
you know, be more focused on self discovery and the
meaning of life, that part might drag me in more,
and then I might be able to see the shadows
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a little bit more. I just want to highlight one
thing you said about the medical approach to treatment versus
the recovery model, that I get those words right, So
I just want to highlight what you said in more
obvious terms if it wasn't. But essentially, the medical model
says you are recovered when you get to a quote
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unquote healthy weight, when you stop binging, when you stop purging,
when you stop restricting. Like giving just some very obvious
examples here, But the truth is many of us know
that in the absence of those things, we can still
be struggling with food, thoughts about food, or just struggling
with mental illness in general. So a lot of times
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people leave treatment or I will actually go a little
bit further to say, families get their child or their
loved one or their partner back from treatment and expected
to quote unquote work. But yes, they stopped doing these behaviors,
but the deeper layers were not a cheat. So yes,
there's a positive there because the person can survive in
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their heart's going to beat and you know, they have
enough electrolytes going on and they're happening in their body.
But we need to consider exactly what you said that,
what does recovery really mean, Like, is there a better
word to say this person is at a different stage
that doesn't say recovered, because recovered kind of sends the
wrong message, especially when the person leaves treatment. I'm supposed
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to be recover word, and then there have new feelings
of shame because they're still struggling, right exactly. And that's
something I'm glad that you mentioned that because I was
going to clarify that after I said it. You know,
I I don't want to present any idea that I
am against the medical model. The medical model is important.
You know, if someone is experiencing physical symptoms, we need
to have them under medical care, you know, self self
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harm and being underweight, and like you said, the electronic bounces.
There are so many reasons that it's beneficial, but as
you said, it's not complete. In many many cases of
people who go through treatment don't respond to it and
then relapse. And so we've got up to seventy people
go through treatment and then are left not actually recovered,
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and that's terrible, Like we don't we don't want that
to be the case, and so we need to look
at the places where, like you said, how can we
shift our perspective of what it means to be recovered
and to be in recovery. And I feel like it's
very similar to addiction treatment centers where you know, you'll
go for a week, two weeks, a month, and the
person comes back quote unquote sober, free of the substance,
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but they're still struggling with all the demons that got
them there, so they're also gonna, you know, likely come back. However,
perhaps maybe I might be off base here, but there
are more ongoing programs to stay sober and work on
your stuff. Then there are for eating disorders other than
you know, working with a therapist or a registered dietitian.
And again que the community that you provide that is
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like a really key healing aspect of releasing the shame.
And also the fact that you know your programs online
I think I know from my programs, like it provides
a really safe space for women that don't know each
other to show up and be more vulnerable sometimes than
they would if they were in the same room or
they had ties to the same community in their real life. Yeah,
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you know, it's it's really nice, similar to like you said,
so much kind of like an a a situation, like
it's nice that you can have this space where we
don't know one another's families, we don't know one another's friends,
don't know part of the same community. Like you said,
it's a safe space to be to show up as
your full self. And there are many women these programs
who are sharing things that some of their closest friends
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and family members don't know at this point. But it's
it feels like like you said, there's there's this safe
space not only in people not really knowing these other
aspects of your life, but also having this space where
everyone is showing up with the same intention for being
there because they want to do the work and they
want to support one another in that, and you know,
it really creates this this community space where you feel
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seen and you feel heard, and you feel understood but
also accepted and safe in all of these pieces of
yourself that you have previously held shame around. You know,
you feel connected to these other women going through the
same process, even if the details are different, and there's
something really special and sacred in that. And for those
of you that have heard me talk about my program,
my program and Terrors are very different structurally, so yours
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run at certain times of the year. You have to apply.
Each person has one on one meetings with you as
well as group sessions, I believe, so it's a lot
more hands on and intensive in a short amount of time. Correct. Yep, Yeah,
it's a three month program, and yeah there's every other
week one on one meetings with me as well as
weekly group meetings twice a week. It's a very intensive program.
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It's very high touch, very intensive. So for those of
you who are like, okay, this is what I need.
When will the next one be? Tara? Yeah, so enrollment
opens again in June, and then the next program will
start in July. So July, August, September will be the
next three month program. UM. But June is when you
can expect to see enrollment open. Can people apply now
or um? If you go to my website, you will
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sign up for the waitlist and so that's when you
will be notified as soon as enrollment is open. Okay, perfect,
got it understood. UM, so you can check that out.
I'll put all the information below and moving into a
little bit of you because you're one of my favorite
people to follow on Instagram. My husband Evan actually found
Tara two or three years ago. I was like, you
need to follow Tara. She is like you, but like cooler.
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But that's what he was thinking. He's like, you need
to follow her. No, but you know, normally I ignore him,
but I went to your page and I was like, Okay,
this this girl is really cool. She's full of light.
In a world of social media that looks one way,
yours does not look that way. I'm always feeling recharged
and replenished, so as somebody who I look up to
as a role model. I'd love to know what's one
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thing that you do every day to stay connected to yourself.
I would say, I am always checking in with myself,
and that can take different forms, but I am always
always checking with myself and paying attention to how am
I feeling. And you know, even if, like literally this morning,
if you were to open the notes in my phone,
the top note would be one that says to journal
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and I have a bullet point because or I have
like three bullet points because this morning, as I was
like sitting there starting to do work, I was like, oh, like,
I'm feeling all these things coming up, and it was okay,
I need to take five minutes. I don't have time
to right now sit down and do the full journal
session that I want to do. But these are the
things that I'm feeling coming up for me, and so
I'm going to just jot down some bullet points that
I want to come back to you later and just
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knowing like being present to myself, and you know, very
often that takes the form of meditation. I'd say meditation
and journaling are like my two biggest rocks for keeping
me grounded and keeping me connected. To myself. But even
if I don't have or make I should say I
don't make the time for that full session in that moment.
As as those feelings were coming up, It's not like
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I was like, Oh, let me just go break and
do half an hour of journaling right now. I was
aware of it, and so I wrote it down. Okay,
I'm feeling this thing. Here's what I'm thinking about I'm
feeling this thing. Here's what I'm thinking about it, And
I know I'll come back to it later and process
it more and dig in. I'm constantly questioning myself and
staying curious. I think that in the path of self discovery,
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the two most important things to marry together are curiosity
and compassion. To always be asking questions about what's coming up?
Why is this here? What would I think about this?
What would it be like if this for true? Instead?
You know all of those things, and to be compassionate
with whatever comes up for myself, you know, to me
that safe space for anything that I find that allows
me to be honest with myself because I know that
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no matter what I find, I can hold a safe
space for it and I can process it without judging
or shaming myself, and that is like the ultimate key
for me in everything. I love that you said that
you're always questioning yourself and bringing curiosity to it, because
without that second part of curiosity, it sounds like you're
always questioning everything that you do or you eat. But
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that's not what you meant at all. Yeah, it's not
like judgment and like oh am I wrong, am I.
It's more so like, oh, like I wonder, I wonder
what's happening right now, or like you know, I wonder
where that feeling is coming from, and and being gentle
with it. It's not like I need to find all
the answers. It's just kind of a gentle unfolding of
I'm gonna open up space for this truth to come forward.
(24:57):
And every day, I mean, I love that we're just
reminded that this inner work is not a one stop shop.
It's a daily check in, but it becomes more loving
and not disciplined, but rather something you want to do
when you open yourself up to it and absolutely kind
of flow in that juiciness. You're not meditating because you
(25:17):
have to. You're meditating because that's your time to be gentle,
to be curious, to not be you know, working on
your PhD or you're all the things that you want
to do accomplish in this world. Exactly. Yeah. To me,
willpower isn't sustainable. Willpower is kind of opposing forces. It's
me trying to do something that is opposing the energy
(25:38):
of what I truly want to do. Whereas if you
want it to be a long term ritual or a
long term habit, it has to be something that is
an alignment. The energy needs to be propelling you forward
in the way that your energy wants to go. Already
with anything, not just food, not just exercise, I mean
just so long. I tried the willpower and the discipline thing,
(25:58):
and it worked for a week, two weeks, and then
you know, I burnt out because that opposing forces, so
to flow through it is just makes more sense. The
last thing I just want to ask you about, because
I've benefited from it, is your affirmation deck. Are you
still selling those? Yes, the affirmation deck is still alive
and well, and I'm so glad that you know you
have benefited from it. I use them every single day.
(26:21):
I don't know, our audience might not be familiar with
what an affirmation deck is. And I want to offer
them another tool to connect with themselves. Can you share
what an affirmation deck is and what yours is specifically? Sure,
First of all, affirmations are statements that affirm something about ourselves.
That is us telling ourselves something about ourselves or something
about our lives that we want to believe and that
(26:43):
some part of us does believe. But there are these
often not always, but often there are parts of ourselves
that are questioning this in the more negative questioning way,
or are you know, have these limiting beliefs or whatever
it is, And so affirmations help us to build up
a new narrative for ourselves. And UM can be sometimes
(27:05):
mantra statements that you repeat to yourself that helped like
kind of ground you and bring you back. But it
can also just be, you know, a list of things
that you you say to yourself to kind of put
your mindset in the right place to set the intention
for the day. UM. But an affirmation deck is a
deck of cards. They're typically like fifteen to fifty cards
in a deck, and it has a single affirmation on
(27:27):
each card, typically some sort of artwork, and it just
creates more ritual to the activity because you can shuffle
the deck and pull one out and see what comes
to you, you know, in in that way from the day,
or you can specifically sort through the deck and choose one.
If you can put them up in your house in
different places where you need to see them. I'll sometimes
take an affirmation card to my desk and put it
(27:48):
on my desk, or have it sitting on my nightstand
where I need to see that message as I get
up in the morning, or whatever it is. You know,
you can you can use them in all these different ways,
but it's essentially a deck of of these affirmations for
you to use. And so we have a deck of
thirty three affirmations. Um I wrote all of the words,
and then a friend of mine who is an artist,
did the artwork for the cards, and each card is
(28:10):
like its own piece of artwork and it's really special
and um yeah, I I love it and it's it's
become a daily practice for me. Awesome. Well, I hope
everyone can benefit from checking out that deck, or at
least considering adding affirmations to their journaling sessions or just
to waking up. I like to wake up and just
do a little affirmation and especially in the muddier moments
(28:31):
because like you said, you're like kind of not sure
what's going on. So thank you so much for your
time and your expertise and your personal story, and we're
gonna link all your information below so everyone can follow you,
check out Reconnect Collective and Academy, and stay in touch
with your beautiful soul. Thanks for being a guest, Tarah,
Thank you so much. Lisa, Love you,
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