January 23, 2021 • 33 mins
Do you find yourself falling for clickbait regarding the next celebrity diet that you need to follow?? This episode gives you permission to STOP doing that. Amy and licensed therapist, @kat.defatta, talk about why it’s harmful when we fall prey to articles that promise us (insert any number of celebrity names here) body. What will it take for us to stop chasing bodies that society says we need? It starts with not clicking the link, not starting the crazy celeb diet, and not doubting that you are wonderfully made just the way you are! Hope you enjoy today's episode and please know that your worth has nothing to do with the size of your waist.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Maybe that's Lisa, and we're just two girls that want
to have a conversation with you. Dear sixteen year old Andrea,
Hey gorgeous, Dear younger Lauren. Each episode is stories from people.
I would deprive myself by myself obsessively because I was
eating healthy. I couldn't understand that I had a problem
with food. Losing my period scared me the most. My
story starts when I was around seven. That's when I
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started to hate my body. Body image is like our
inner picture of our outer self. Healthy behaviors play a
much bigger role at all health than the actual number
on the scales. Internal dialogue could be so powerful and
often it's super negative and critical in a way that
we wouldn't talk to other people that we care about.
When you start to share your story, that gives other
(00:44):
people the courage to share theirs. I know you would
be proud now of how far you have come in
your relationship to food, exercise, and to yourself. I felt freedom,
I've gained relationships. I've found my true sense of self worth.
There's one thing I need you to take away. You're
going to be okay, Hey outweigh fam amy here and
(01:06):
I have Cat Defata next to me. She will be
joining me for today's episode, which if you've ever tried
a celebrity diet or heard celebrities talk about this or that,
or shoot, you've even listened to my four Things podcasts
from back in the day, or heard me on the
Bobby Bone Show before talking about some crazy diet or
plan that I was doing. Sometimes people in the public
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eye have no idea the harm that they're doing. If
I don't consider myself to be a celebrity, especially to
the caliber we're going to be discussing about today, like Beyonce, Reese, Witherspoon,
Jane Fonda, and now I'm not calling out these people
like they have endorsed something or they're doing something wrong.
But I think diet culture, magazine culture, online click bait
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will be like, hey, guess what Beyonce's doing the Master Clans.
Do we have any idea of he's really doing it?
Unless she posts about on her Instagram, I don't know.
I mean that's where the facts are. You can maybe
see people doing stuff online, but magazines and articles or
news they pick it all up wanting you to click
on it and think, Okay, if I just drink lemonade,
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maple syrup, and cayenne pepper for fourteen days. I'm gonna
look like Beyonce. So Cat and I are going to
break down some of what we have to deal with
is everyday humans trucking along, like driving in our car,
list in the Bobby Bones Show, and hearing some offbeat
diet advice. Because I take full responsibility for being a
catalyst for that. I was at one point in time.
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I mean, people would ride into my four Things podcast
and say, hey, you know, love you so sorry, but
I had to stop listening because I'm being triggered by
certain things. I remember, Yes, I remember listening, and that
there was always talk about, oh my gosh, I did this,
and this is just coming back to me. There's always
talk about some green juice, glowing green smoothie. Yes, I
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remember I made it. It was disgusting. I didn't know
I I actually I did like it. I did not
like the flavor of it. But I remember. I mean
that probably was like four or five years ago. For
oh for years, Yes, that was it had fallen. I
started me. Yes, I influenced a lot of people, and
I was very adamant that you had to have hot
lemon water every morning, a green smoothie for breakfast, maybe
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even for lunch, and then vegetables and maybe some keen
wa for dinner or something. I adopted that for myself
when I was trying to get pregnant, and it was
a plan I went on someone I had talked to,
actually a girl I went to church with in North Carolina.
She had trouble getting pregnant, so she was trying this
meal plan. So I bought the book, did the thing.
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I got certain results, and then I it became an
obsession to where I traveled with lemons everywhere. I went
to Haiti, I went to other countries with lemons in
my bag because I needed hot lemon water every day.
Or I thought I'm failing at the plan. And I
mean I would deviate here and there, but I would
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try to set my morning up just right, like as
long as I did the hot limon water. I mean,
I shipped green smoothies to Haiti in my I mean
I brought it myself. I didn't ship it ahead of time,
but I would freeze them, wrap them up real good,
put them in my luggage that I would check and
then just cross my fingers and hope that they didn't
explode on the plane. And I would call that extreme behavior, yes, yes,
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And I influenced friends that would be with me, my
you know family. That was a thing that I definitely
screamed from the rooftops. And I would like to just
apologize because I think you have some kind of platform
and you're trying something that you think is like the
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thing at the moment, and I would do all kinds
of different things, but I actually thought in that time
I was super healthy well. And the other thing is
maybe regardless of all of you're disordered eating, maybe that
worked for you, that doesn't mean it's going to work
for everybody else. And I think that's the issue and
some of what we're going to talk about today is like,
maybe that plan was working for your friend, it doesn't
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necessarily mean it's gonna work. Right. I never got pregnant,
by the way, in case you're like, oh, I'm trying
to get pregnant, what is it? I want to try it.
And I just have to be more aware and more
conscious about how I speak. I'm still not perfect. Cat
is an expert. Lisa my co host for Outweigh as
a registered dietitian. She has made it her passion to
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redefine what it looks like to be in that space. Again,
we talk about all the different people online. They're part
of this movement, and once you are aware of it,
you start to see it everywhere and it just makes
you smile real big, like, oh, we're not alone. Bobby
keeps telling me, I'm woke now, but us certain things
on the Bobby Bone Show. So what I want to
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bring up now is absurd celebrity diets. And this is
something that we mentioned and on the Bobby Bones Show,
and I immediately pulled it and thought, I want to
talk about this on Outweigh, not what they're doing and
what the diets are, because again that's not what this
podcast is for. We're not here to give you tips
and tools for you to continue on with any sort
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of patterns. But I just feel like it's click bait
to where sometimes even on the show, we know that's
going to be what's interesting for people to hear in
their cars that yeah, oh, Reese Witherspoon did a fourteen
day baby food diet or something like that. Snooky had
some cookie cookie diet. Taylor Swift was drinking like cheese,
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seeds soaked in water. Again not giving like all the
full details, but like these little things that you see
somebody else doing and you think that for whatever reason,
if you're trying to latch onto something they have or
a body part that you want, you think by doing
this one thing, you're suddenly going to get it, which
I can guarantee you. Even though I is doing the
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lemon and the smoothies and eating pretty light, I still
had days where my body was starving so naturally I
binged even before my eating disorder came back, like full
blown purging behavior. That was only after the death of
my mom in two thousand and fourteen. So I would
say for four years from two thousand ten thousand and fourteen,
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I just had binges, but I didn't ever feel the
need to get rid of anything. My body was so
hungry and I'd be like, why can't I stop eating?
And was smart, Yeah, that's why I wanted food. Yes,
I think that those though to speak on that is
one of the reasons that they're so use the word
clickbait is because extreme behaviors and extreme results, that's what
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draws people to things that's like sexy, extreme anything that's
what we want as a culture. I haven't heard about
the baby food diet, but like, yeah, it's like, oh
that's crazy. Let me see if I can look into that.
What's that going to do for me? Yeah? I think
it's just the idea of blending everything up. Not that
she was getting like Gerber Gerber baby food, but so
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you're getting everything. And actually the plan that I followed
for a while, she would talk about just for simpler digestion,
you blend everything, so it's just you're getting the nutrients,
but it's already broken down for you and your body's
having to not do a bunch of work, and it
moves through the other thing I want to point out
when it comes to celebrities, any kind of celebrity, is
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that that's their job, especially for athletes. People look at
a lot of athletes and like what are what are
they eating? What is I don't know, like sports people,
but like the Peyton man who's married to Giselle tom Brady,
tom Brady, Oh my gosh, no, no, I'm so glad
you're saying this. I before before, yes, before I was
awakened for your woke because tom Brady was talking about
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how he didn't consume night shades because of inflammation, which
what is night shades? People might not well, bell peppers, tomatoes, mushrooms.
Because again, he is a per professional athlete and his
job is to perform as one of the top quarterbacks
of all time. So I'm sure, yes, for his job
he tries out different things to keep inflammation down. But
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then I thought, well, if Tom Brady is doing it
and don't need to ask me, I thought, for whatever reason,
I need to to eliminate night shades, and I did
for quite some time. And I like salsa. I love salsa,
and I remember one time putting salsa on something and
I thought Tom Brady would never do this. And I
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don't even know it's because I read an article that
was my point when I was making because Kat and
I did not discuss this beforehand where we were going
to go. So that is hilarious, Yes, it is. That's
his job is to be a professional athlete, and so
the workouts he's doing and the foods he's eating, those
are designed by people that he worked very closely with.
Not to say it's good for him or bad for him.
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I don't know if that diet is long term or
if he has his own stuff, I don't know that.
At the point is we shouldn't be looking for people
who are trying to change your body for a movie
role or trying to get into the Olympics. We shouldn't
be looking at don't even get me started on the
movie role thing. Because speaking of the Bobby Bones show, Eddie,
our video producer, he just read Matthew McConaughey's book green
(10:17):
Light and read that it's okay, very good. I just
started the audio version, Are your audio or Audio? Because
his voice, he's really good at it. So the book
I'm currently like reading with my eyeballs is maybe you
should talk to someone, which makes me think of Cat
because Cats a therapist, and that book is written by
a therapist. So I will recommend that one here to y'all.
It's so good. But I did just start the audio
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Matthew McConaughey book because Eddie read it and said it
was so good. And then he in the book talked
about the diet he went on for Dallas Buyers Club
and he had to lose fifty pounds or something ridiculous
how much. I'm not in that part yet, but Eddie
said he had two egg whites for breakfast, five ounces
of fish for lunch with some vegetables, and then five
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ounces of fish with some vegetables for dinner. And that's it.
If you haven't seen Dallas Buyers Club, it's about a
person who ended up with HIV and so Matthew McConaughey
playing that character had to have his body get to
that stage. And so now Eddie, because he's reading that
and he wants to trim up in the new year,
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has been on what he's calling the Matthew McConaughey, which
that wasn't Matthew's intent of putting it in his book,
but again, that was for his job. He was doing
it for a role. And I just roll my eyes
at Eddie every morning and laugh because it's not going
to be sustainable and his body needs carbs. And also
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he's not playing the role of a sick person on
TV or a movie. Well, and that's not even to say, yeah,
he's doing that for that role. And I even think
that's sad that that's encouraged in some spaces, because there's
plenty of stories that I've read about, whether they're athletes
or actors that have had to been on certain diets
and their bodies look certain ways for certain things, and
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then once they're not in that space anymore, they have
a really hard time sitting and being with their body
because it doesn't look that way anymore because they've developed
that's the whole point of diets. They help us develop
disordered eating, which turns into eating disorders. So even though
Matthew McConaughey did that for a movie and that was
his job, I don't, as a therapist works with this,
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don't want to be like that's okay that he did
that for that reason, because that could have really hurt
him as well. I'm not to that part of the
book yet, so I don't know how it affected him.
But there are plenty of people that has and there's
plenty of like gymnasts and and ice skaters specifically, who
had to look a certain way for their sport and
how to do extreme behaviors for their sport. It might
have even promoted them while they are doing them, and
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then now that they are in that space anymore, it's
been really hard on them to sit in what is
their actual normal set point for their body right, And
then that trickles down to us us, because then we
try the extreme thing they and we go back to
whatever or our body shifts and whatever season of life,
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and then we have trouble sitting with ourselves and it's
a domino effect. And I also another book, Speaking of
books that celebrities have written, I ordered Jane Fonda's book,
the one from a while ago, like two thousand and six,
called My Life So Far, because I saw an article
somewhere that she discussed openly her eating disorder, and I thought,
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how in the world did I not know that Jane
Fonda had an eating disorder? And why it was interesting
to me is because as a kid, I have vivid
memories of my mom doing Jane Fonda workouts in our
living room. We had forest screen carpet, four a screen wallpaper,
and apparently in the eighties four screen countertops like four
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screen was really was in and my parents loved it.
But that's my that's where my brain goes as my
mom like on our four screen carpet in front of
the TV doing and scissor to three and pool weeds too,
three four, and Jane Fonda right there on the TV
just looking so cute and her leotard and her leggings
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and her little what are those things called leg warmers?
And I just thought she was the coolest. And so
when I would join my mom, it was about a
thirty minute work out and my sister and I that's
a memory that we have. So that's probably why the
Jane Fonda things stood out to me. But again, I
just saw her as this when I was a kid,
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this beautiful actress with workout tapes and my mom doing
them right. So I'm gonna share little just parts from
the book that I think we'll give you a picture
of what we're talking about without you having to like
read this whole chapter. So she starts off by saying,
my feelings of imperfection centered on my body. It became
my personal armageddon. She had a cat, by the way,
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just update you. She lost her mom to suicide, and
she had several step moms that had eating disorders and
they were just in her life life. And her dad
played a role too. So then she goes into that
my father was implicated as well. Dad had an obsession
with women being thin. The Fonda cousins have told me
that this was true of all the men in the
family going back generations. On his deathbed, Doe Fonda asked
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his daughter, Cindy, have you lost weight? Yet? She wasn't fat.
In parentheses, she put eating disorders abound and fond of women,
and at least two of Dad's five wives suffered from bulimia.
Once I hit adolescence, the only time my father ever
referred to how I looked was when he thought I
was too fat. Then it was always his wife who
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would be sent to let me know he was displeased
that he wanted me to wear a different, less revealing
bathing suit, a looser belt, or a longer dress. The
truth is I was never fat, but that wasn't what
mattered for a girl trying to please others. What mattered
was how I saw myself, how I'd learned to see
myself through others judgmental, object defying eyes. And then there's
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an astis here at the bottom of the chapter where
she said, I don't mean to suggest that all girls
who strive for perfection and feel inadequate end up with
an eating disorder, but too many do. Every decade, five
point six percent of people. Again, these statistics are from
several years ago, but she said every decade, five point
six percent of people with anorexy and believe me, a die,
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which is about twelve times higher than the annual death
rate due to all causes of death among females ages
fifteen to twenty four in the general population. So I
have goose bumps even while I read it, because I
thought Jane Fonda loved herself and she how could she not? Yes,
there she is and as you read more again that's
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just parts from one page, but you see into her
insecurities and how she didn't feel that way. And I mean,
fortunately something in her father's family was pasted down to him,
which was then passed down to her. And there's a
lot of different factors that probably make us why we
are the way we are about our insecurities or our bodies.
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But to have that right into your own home, and
then you know, she went and projected it on to
everybody else with her workout videos. And meanwhile she was miserable.
That was a season in her life where she wasn't
even in tune with what was going on. And now
she calls herself where she is in life now her
third act, and now she's learned to accept her body
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and where she is. So I just think our conversation is,
why wait till your third act in life? I'm in
the probably my second act right now. I think that's
a good I think. I think the second act. I
think I don't know how they define it, maybe fifty
seventy or something. Well, I'm just making that up, but
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I just I like thinking of it in that way,
and why put it off? And why do we? Why?
Why do we? Why does it take us so long?
Cat Like, what do you think take so long for
its to seep in? Even we see celebrities, maybe we'll
stop following the latest clickbait because eventually that celebrity is
going to write a memoir about it in their third act,
and they're gonna be like, I can't believe I wasted
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so many years worried about being thin. Well, you know,
I was, as you're reading that, I was thinking that
with any of these diets, and I don't know how
eloquent I'm gonna be able to say this, but with
any of these diets and with her and her workout
videos and all that stuff, we're sending out the message
that if you look like this or you do this stuff,
and you get this body and you do this extreme
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diet that you will be happy and you will love
yourself more. And even for the people that are in
the spotlight, the beyonces that all of those kind of
people that like they are their bodies are part of
their brand. They don't need to look like that. There's
no reason that that should be the goal of your
brand is going to be having this body that every idealizes.
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I think that's one of the issues. Is nobody, nobody,
no matter who you are, should have to do a
workout that you don't like, or follow a meal plan
that makes you have to shrink your life in general
to look a certain way. But we send the message
that our bodies and what they look like are more
important than how we feel on the inside. And I
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think that's overarching. That's why it's so attractive, because those
diets and those workouts point us to what the world
says will give us happiness and freedom from our insecurities,
when really they just make them deeper. But we have
to first get rid of the message that having a
certain body and looking a certain way is that important.
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That is everywhere in our culture. It's everywhere. It makes
me think of I love that we're talking about celebrities books,
Jessica Simpsons. Oh my gosh, did I tell you to
read that one? No? I don't think so was obsessed.
Did you know they're turning it into an Amazon show? Yes? Yeah,
and they're turning Maybe you should talk to Somebody into
a show too. I was thinking that it would be
a great movie that they're going to do a show. Okay, awesome.
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So I listened to Jessica Simpson's book a couple of
months ago when I was like redoing my house. It's
what I would listen to. And I've had so many
clients read it too, because I grew up with Jessica
Simpson and I never imagined but I remember when she
talked about that mom picture, the mom jeans. I remember
when that happened. And I'm sure on the Bobby Bones
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Show I probably reported on it. Yes, I mean, why
is it the fact that Jessica Simpson looks like she's
gained weight a big deal? Also, she didn't gain weight
like she just that was an angle of a picture.
But why does it matter anyway? Like that? Like we
have to pay attention to what we are allowing to
fill up our brains because I don't care if Jessica
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Simpson gained fifteen pounds, but yet there is something when
media and click bait does make it a thing, then
it's like, oh, it's a gossip that gives something to
talk about. If Jessica Simpson gaining ten pounds and I
feel better about myself, oh a hundred percent. If I
see that, okay, then I don't feel so bad looking
the way I look. When like, that's just that's a
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humanity problem of why are we looking to put people
down in certain ways so we can feel better. Why
can't we just lift ourselves up and they can be
a separate thing. And you know. Also mentioned in Jessica's
book is the time that her record label told her
when she signed and she was a teenager not I mean,
who cares what her body looks like anyways, but there's
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no way she needed to lose fifteen pounds and they
told her, Okay, yeah, beautiful voice, great face, lose fifteen
pounds and you've got a deal or whatever kind I mean.
I'm paraphrasing, but I mean to hear that and what
she would have to do, because not all of our
bodies are created. This is another very important point, but
not all of our bodies are created to be at
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the size that they wanted her to be at. She
had to literally develop an eating disorder to get to
that point. And when it comes to all of these
things that all of these people are promoting, I could
do every thing that Jane Fonda did every workout. I
would follow her meal plan exactly. And it does not
mean that I would look the same way as her.
I could follow whatever Beyonce does. I could say, oh
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I have I also on this absurd celebrity diets list,
there's like what Miranda Kurd did, which is a Victoria's
Secret model. And I think aren't models like more rare
than pro athletes are, like the five Players or something.
I mean, I guess her bodies are programmed and wired differently.
I totally this could be This also could not be true.
This is just something that I read somewhere that Gigi
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Hadid has some kind of thing where she's not allowed,
like her body will not gain weight. That's a thing
where you can't put on weight. And so why are
we why are we aiming to have the body of
somebody who her body doesn't allow her to do that
My body does. And so I think all of that
to say I could do everything that Gigi Hadid does,
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could do everything that Giselle does, and it does not
mean that my body would look like there's because my
body is programmed differently, totally genetically. It's just different. And
I even I work in the fitness industry in Nashville,
and I could take just as many cycling classes as
the instructor next to me and eat everything she does,
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and my body will never look like hers. And it
doesn't mean that I'm out of shape. It doesn't mean
that I don't know what I'm doing. It doesn't mean
that I'm anything less than her. It just means we
have different bodies, right, And I gotta give Cat a
shout out because she had tryouts last weekend. Is that
what it's called. I don't know you will make auditions,
but I think tryout brings me back to like high
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school soccer. So she had auditions to become a well
for this a new spin cycle place here in Nashville.
And I wanted to tell y'all where in a second
because she posted a clip on Instagram of one of
her old cycle classes of her on the bike motivating
you through class, and it was so inspirational. I thought
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I was proud of you, like get it. Yeah, I
mean I was. I was just sitting and come to
watching it. I don't I'm not the biggest spin person,
but I am going to go take your class to
support you and feel motivated. I already told her that
when she tells me to turn the knob up to heavy,
I'm gonna make it. I mean, just so that the
class things I'm doing, I'm gonna pretend to turn the
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knob and I'm just going to keep writing. But if
people are in Nashville, where you're gonna So if you're
in Nashville, there's a studio called Full Ride Cycling. It's
in the twelfth South neighborhood. It's on tenth and it's amazing.
The instructors are amazing. Then obviously that there's three new
instructors and I think in the first week of February
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I'll start. But it is just a place where you
can go and it doesn't matter what you look like.
You know what. I'm glad you even said that I'm
gonna fake turn my knob because a cycling class is
something that should be self driven, Like if you want
to add resistance. You do it if you don't want
to ignore what I'm saying. Ignore what I'm saying. Listen
to your body. You know it better than me. But
this play say is one of the places that has
helped me survive the last year, just because of how
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loving they are and they want to know you and
they want to know your story, and they like, no
matter where you live, make sure you find a healthy place.
There are places it's like a mind body spirit like
mentally it's not going to mess with you. Yes, because
I've definitely been at gym's where mentally it just through me.
When I was twenty two twenty three, like right out
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of college, joined a gym in Austin, and I remember
one of the trainers there. I went to this one
meeting trying to learn more about nutrition. I didn't know
much at all, and I said that I ate cereal
for breakfast and she looked and said, you eat cereal
like in period ever? I know, But then I eventually
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turned into that person. To thank goodness, now I'm back
to where if I want to eat a bowl a
cereal in the morning, I can. It impacted me for
a long long time and I would be in spin
class with like super competitive people, and I thought that's
probably where I developed I dislike for spin because I
think originally I didn't always dislike it as much. But
so maybe I'll enjoy your class. But just keep that
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in mind. Like what Cat's saying is, if you're looking
for a place to work out, I know a lot
of you may not be in Nashville, but don't go
to someplace just because you just because they have on
their media and their promotions bodies that you want to have.
That's not what you should look like when you're going
to find somewhere to move your body. It should be okay,
where do I feel safe? Where do I feel supported?
Where do I feel like I can show up? No
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matter if I'm having a good body image day or
a bad body image day or a neutral body image day.
I think that I mean I had to reform my
whole view on movement through my recovery, and that's one
of the things that I help a lot of my
clients do because it's so intertwined. I was a huge runner.
That was part of my eating disorder, so I had
to take a break from running and then figure out
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how to love it again. In a different way. And
I think one of the things that you said is
the competitiveness. There's a lot of studios that's like this
person and do this many pull ups, like you have
to do this, like it's all competitions, or this person
got this many points in this race or this person
and it's like no, like you judge you based on you.
How did you do? How do you feel? Do you
feel like you listen to yourself? Do you feel like
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you've got what you needed? Sometimes what I need is
just to hear the instructors say kind things to me,
like it doesn't have anything to do with burning calories,
and then say the place one more time, full ride cycling,
full ride cycling, Okay, just in case people want to
try it out and they are in Nashville. Yes, well,
I was gonna say some of the diets. I know
we were talking about celebrity diets, but the celebrity workouts
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like who's whose trainer? I need to go do what
ever they're doing. It's the same thing of like they
might be doing this extreme training program because of what
their brand is, or because of what they're working on professionally,
or because their professional athletes. You do not need to do.
I don't know sports, so I can't call out any professional.
You don't need to do this person who's in the
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NBA's work out, Like, there's no need for that. And
so yeah, just some the you don't need two days. No,
there's no reason that you or I would need it
to a day. We need like half of a day,
like half of one work out at that gym, the
same one where I was at three oh most people
there were there morning and night and it was just
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part of the it was like a trathlon type gym,
and it was the only way you could really get
your training in honestly. So Okay, that's gonna put a
wrap on this chat. But just know where to look
when it comes to you. And and if you need
to seek professional help, then maybe you do need to
meet with a dietitian or someone that can help walk
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you through that, someone that specializes in disordered eating and
eating disorders, because the last thing you want to do
is find someone that doesn't and then it perpetuates the problem.
I've learned that there's a big difference. There's like a
line in the sand of like people that are that
are woke and then and I can I add that, Like,
even if you're somebody who's like, oh, this is hitting
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something and me, I need to go figure out what
my stuff is and I want to talk to a professional.
It is important to find somebody who specializes in eating
disorders and disordered eating, whether it's a dietitian or a therapist,
because there are a lot of in quote healthy behaviors
that some people will promote as even a professional unknowingly
not even trying to cause harm like you're saying, and
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like a lot of people would promote exercise as a
form of like self care or taking care of your
health in general. And if you don't know the back
ends of disordered eating and how eating disorders work and
how they're all interentwined, you can have somebody cheerly do
on something that's not great, and then you can be
what my therapist told me to and you use it
as That's what I get worried about of. You know
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that when we share articles like this, just flippant lee
on the show, and I know I need to relax
because we are We're doing a show. Bobby's doing a show.
He's not He's like, this isn't my thing I'm not
on that way. Okay, them down, but I just know
that it's my job to at least say real quick,
like before he ends the segment. I just say that simply.
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I think that's what I did. I just I just
want to make sure we don't trigger anybody. And then
Bobby made a point of like, well, but there are
healthy people that could handle whatever it is that he said.
I don't even know if it was this article, might
have been something else that I said that about. Actually
it wasn't the celebrity one. Now I'm rambling, but you
get My point is that like there's some people that
whatever Bobby said, they literally might be able to handle
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it because they don't have disordered patterns, so that information
they might receive like the whatever the logical things in
it are. But someone that's unhealthy like me, if I
was a listener, I would have used it as like,
oh now I have a reason in an excuse to
continue because the look at them. Yeah. Okay, So that
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is a wrap on today's episode. We hope you are
having a great Saturday. Kat is the host of her
very own podcast called You Need Therapy, which you should
definitely check out, and we will be back next Saturday
with another episode It'll be mean Lisa, and I think
we have a guest named Gabby who's doing amazing things
for people online to help heal their food and body
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issues and not pass it down to the next generation,
which is I was trying on dresses with a friend
the other day and she said, I don't like my
arms in the stress. And then she stopped herself and
she said, honestly, I don't even think there's anything wrong
with my arms. I just grew up hearing my mom
talk badly about her arms all the time that now
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I just obsess about my arms. But the same thing
is with me, my grandma, my mom me. I even
said something to Stashira, my daughter, who's thirteen, adopted genetically.
She's Haitian, I am America, very different, and she's like,
felt my arm or felt something, and she's she's a kid,
and she's just like, oh, mom, soft or whatever. And
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I said, well, it's okay, you're you won't have this problem.
And then I know we're like, I want to take
this word right now, I know. And then I think
my friend Mary was on FaceTime at the time, and
she said, it's not a problem, and I thought, oh
my gosh, I'm so glad Mary said that right away
because I was able to redirect and say, you're right,
it's not a problem, but we do have different arms
and but it's unlearning. And like I said, I'm here
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to admit my faults and that I'm on this journey too.
I'm never preaching at you at all. I'm just trying
to make sure nobody feels alone in this crazy space.
You feel lonely because not a lot of people are
talking about how they feel really about their bodies and
what they're thinking in private. And for me, the arm
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thing was that's something that was from the generation before us,
and like we can change that. So anyway, all this
to say, next Saturday will be a good chat about that.
Thank you Cat for joining, and if you have anything
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I have Cat Defata next to me. She will be
joining me for today's episode, which if you've ever tried
a celebrity diet or heard celebrities talk about this or that,
or shoot, you've even listened to my four Things podcasts
from back in the day, or heard me on the
Bobby Bone Show before talking about some crazy diet or
plan that I was doing. Sometimes people in the public
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eye have no idea the harm that they're doing. If
I don't consider myself to be a celebrity, especially to
the caliber we're going to be discussing about today, like Beyonce, Reese, Witherspoon,
Jane Fonda, and now I'm not calling out these people
like they have endorsed something or they're doing something wrong.
But I think diet culture, magazine culture, online click bait
(01:54):
will be like, hey, guess what Beyonce's doing the Master Clans.
Do we have any idea of he's really doing it?
Unless she posts about on her Instagram, I don't know.
I mean that's where the facts are. You can maybe
see people doing stuff online, but magazines and articles or
news they pick it all up wanting you to click
on it and think, Okay, if I just drink lemonade,
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maple syrup, and cayenne pepper for fourteen days. I'm gonna
look like Beyonce. So Cat and I are going to
break down some of what we have to deal with
is everyday humans trucking along, like driving in our car,
list in the Bobby Bones Show, and hearing some offbeat
diet advice. Because I take full responsibility for being a
catalyst for that. I was at one point in time.
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I mean, people would ride into my four Things podcast
and say, hey, you know, love you so sorry, but
I had to stop listening because I'm being triggered by
certain things. I remember, Yes, I remember listening, and that
there was always talk about, oh my gosh, I did this,
and this is just coming back to me. There's always
talk about some green juice, glowing green smoothie. Yes, I
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remember I made it. It was disgusting. I didn't know
I I actually I did like it. I did not
like the flavor of it. But I remember. I mean
that probably was like four or five years ago. For
oh for years, Yes, that was it had fallen. I
started me. Yes, I influenced a lot of people, and
I was very adamant that you had to have hot
lemon water every morning, a green smoothie for breakfast, maybe
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even for lunch, and then vegetables and maybe some keen
wa for dinner or something. I adopted that for myself
when I was trying to get pregnant, and it was
a plan I went on someone I had talked to,
actually a girl I went to church with in North Carolina.
She had trouble getting pregnant, so she was trying this
meal plan. So I bought the book, did the thing.
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I got certain results, and then I it became an
obsession to where I traveled with lemons everywhere. I went
to Haiti, I went to other countries with lemons in
my bag because I needed hot lemon water every day.
Or I thought I'm failing at the plan. And I
mean I would deviate here and there, but I would
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try to set my morning up just right, like as
long as I did the hot limon water. I mean,
I shipped green smoothies to Haiti in my I mean
I brought it myself. I didn't ship it ahead of time,
but I would freeze them, wrap them up real good,
put them in my luggage that I would check and
then just cross my fingers and hope that they didn't
explode on the plane. And I would call that extreme behavior, yes, yes,
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And I influenced friends that would be with me, my
you know family. That was a thing that I definitely
screamed from the rooftops. And I would like to just
apologize because I think you have some kind of platform
and you're trying something that you think is like the
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thing at the moment, and I would do all kinds
of different things, but I actually thought in that time
I was super healthy well. And the other thing is
maybe regardless of all of you're disordered eating, maybe that
worked for you, that doesn't mean it's going to work
for everybody else. And I think that's the issue and
some of what we're going to talk about today is like,
maybe that plan was working for your friend, it doesn't
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necessarily mean it's gonna work. Right. I never got pregnant,
by the way, in case you're like, oh, I'm trying
to get pregnant, what is it? I want to try it.
And I just have to be more aware and more
conscious about how I speak. I'm still not perfect. Cat
is an expert. Lisa my co host for Outweigh as
a registered dietitian. She has made it her passion to
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redefine what it looks like to be in that space. Again,
we talk about all the different people online. They're part
of this movement, and once you are aware of it,
you start to see it everywhere and it just makes
you smile real big, like, oh, we're not alone. Bobby
keeps telling me, I'm woke now, but us certain things
on the Bobby Bone Show. So what I want to
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bring up now is absurd celebrity diets. And this is
something that we mentioned and on the Bobby Bones Show,
and I immediately pulled it and thought, I want to
talk about this on Outweigh, not what they're doing and
what the diets are, because again that's not what this
podcast is for. We're not here to give you tips
and tools for you to continue on with any sort
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of patterns. But I just feel like it's click bait
to where sometimes even on the show, we know that's
going to be what's interesting for people to hear in
their cars that yeah, oh, Reese Witherspoon did a fourteen
day baby food diet or something like that. Snooky had
some cookie cookie diet. Taylor Swift was drinking like cheese,
(06:37):
seeds soaked in water. Again not giving like all the
full details, but like these little things that you see
somebody else doing and you think that for whatever reason,
if you're trying to latch onto something they have or
a body part that you want, you think by doing
this one thing, you're suddenly going to get it, which
I can guarantee you. Even though I is doing the
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lemon and the smoothies and eating pretty light, I still
had days where my body was starving so naturally I
binged even before my eating disorder came back, like full
blown purging behavior. That was only after the death of
my mom in two thousand and fourteen. So I would
say for four years from two thousand ten thousand and fourteen,
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I just had binges, but I didn't ever feel the
need to get rid of anything. My body was so
hungry and I'd be like, why can't I stop eating?
And was smart, Yeah, that's why I wanted food. Yes,
I think that those though to speak on that is
one of the reasons that they're so use the word
clickbait is because extreme behaviors and extreme results, that's what
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draws people to things that's like sexy, extreme anything that's
what we want as a culture. I haven't heard about
the baby food diet, but like, yeah, it's like, oh
that's crazy. Let me see if I can look into that.
What's that going to do for me? Yeah? I think
it's just the idea of blending everything up. Not that
she was getting like Gerber Gerber baby food, but so
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you're getting everything. And actually the plan that I followed
for a while, she would talk about just for simpler digestion,
you blend everything, so it's just you're getting the nutrients,
but it's already broken down for you and your body's
having to not do a bunch of work, and it
moves through the other thing I want to point out
when it comes to celebrities, any kind of celebrity, is
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that that's their job, especially for athletes. People look at
a lot of athletes and like what are what are
they eating? What is I don't know, like sports people,
but like the Peyton man who's married to Giselle tom Brady,
tom Brady, Oh my gosh, no, no, I'm so glad
you're saying this. I before before, yes, before I was
awakened for your woke because tom Brady was talking about
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how he didn't consume night shades because of inflammation, which
what is night shades? People might not well, bell peppers, tomatoes, mushrooms.
Because again, he is a per professional athlete and his
job is to perform as one of the top quarterbacks
of all time. So I'm sure, yes, for his job
he tries out different things to keep inflammation down. But
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then I thought, well, if Tom Brady is doing it
and don't need to ask me, I thought, for whatever reason,
I need to to eliminate night shades, and I did
for quite some time. And I like salsa. I love salsa,
and I remember one time putting salsa on something and
I thought Tom Brady would never do this. And I
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don't even know it's because I read an article that
was my point when I was making because Kat and
I did not discuss this beforehand where we were going
to go. So that is hilarious, Yes, it is. That's
his job is to be a professional athlete, and so
the workouts he's doing and the foods he's eating, those
are designed by people that he worked very closely with.
Not to say it's good for him or bad for him.
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I don't know if that diet is long term or
if he has his own stuff, I don't know that.
At the point is we shouldn't be looking for people
who are trying to change your body for a movie
role or trying to get into the Olympics. We shouldn't
be looking at don't even get me started on the
movie role thing. Because speaking of the Bobby Bones show, Eddie,
our video producer, he just read Matthew McConaughey's book green
(10:17):
Light and read that it's okay, very good. I just
started the audio version, Are your audio or Audio? Because
his voice, he's really good at it. So the book
I'm currently like reading with my eyeballs is maybe you
should talk to someone, which makes me think of Cat
because Cats a therapist, and that book is written by
a therapist. So I will recommend that one here to y'all.
It's so good. But I did just start the audio
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Matthew McConaughey book because Eddie read it and said it
was so good. And then he in the book talked
about the diet he went on for Dallas Buyers Club
and he had to lose fifty pounds or something ridiculous
how much. I'm not in that part yet, but Eddie
said he had two egg whites for breakfast, five ounces
of fish for lunch with some vegetables, and then five
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ounces of fish with some vegetables for dinner. And that's it.
If you haven't seen Dallas Buyers Club, it's about a
person who ended up with HIV and so Matthew McConaughey
playing that character had to have his body get to
that stage. And so now Eddie, because he's reading that
and he wants to trim up in the new year,
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has been on what he's calling the Matthew McConaughey, which
that wasn't Matthew's intent of putting it in his book,
but again, that was for his job. He was doing
it for a role. And I just roll my eyes
at Eddie every morning and laugh because it's not going
to be sustainable and his body needs carbs. And also
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he's not playing the role of a sick person on
TV or a movie. Well, and that's not even to say, yeah,
he's doing that for that role. And I even think
that's sad that that's encouraged in some spaces, because there's
plenty of stories that I've read about, whether they're athletes
or actors that have had to been on certain diets
and their bodies look certain ways for certain things, and
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then once they're not in that space anymore, they have
a really hard time sitting and being with their body
because it doesn't look that way anymore because they've developed
that's the whole point of diets. They help us develop
disordered eating, which turns into eating disorders. So even though
Matthew McConaughey did that for a movie and that was
his job, I don't, as a therapist works with this,
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don't want to be like that's okay that he did
that for that reason, because that could have really hurt
him as well. I'm not to that part of the
book yet, so I don't know how it affected him.
But there are plenty of people that has and there's
plenty of like gymnasts and and ice skaters specifically, who
had to look a certain way for their sport and
how to do extreme behaviors for their sport. It might
have even promoted them while they are doing them, and
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then now that they are in that space anymore, it's
been really hard on them to sit in what is
their actual normal set point for their body right, And
then that trickles down to us us, because then we
try the extreme thing they and we go back to
whatever or our body shifts and whatever season of life,
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and then we have trouble sitting with ourselves and it's
a domino effect. And I also another book, Speaking of
books that celebrities have written, I ordered Jane Fonda's book,
the one from a while ago, like two thousand and six,
called My Life So Far, because I saw an article
somewhere that she discussed openly her eating disorder, and I thought,
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how in the world did I not know that Jane
Fonda had an eating disorder? And why it was interesting
to me is because as a kid, I have vivid
memories of my mom doing Jane Fonda workouts in our
living room. We had forest screen carpet, four a screen wallpaper,
and apparently in the eighties four screen countertops like four
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screen was really was in and my parents loved it.
But that's my that's where my brain goes as my
mom like on our four screen carpet in front of
the TV doing and scissor to three and pool weeds too,
three four, and Jane Fonda right there on the TV
just looking so cute and her leotard and her leggings
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and her little what are those things called leg warmers?
And I just thought she was the coolest. And so
when I would join my mom, it was about a
thirty minute work out and my sister and I that's
a memory that we have. So that's probably why the
Jane Fonda things stood out to me. But again, I
just saw her as this when I was a kid,
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this beautiful actress with workout tapes and my mom doing
them right. So I'm gonna share little just parts from
the book that I think we'll give you a picture
of what we're talking about without you having to like
read this whole chapter. So she starts off by saying,
my feelings of imperfection centered on my body. It became
my personal armageddon. She had a cat, by the way,
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just update you. She lost her mom to suicide, and
she had several step moms that had eating disorders and
they were just in her life life. And her dad
played a role too. So then she goes into that
my father was implicated as well. Dad had an obsession
with women being thin. The Fonda cousins have told me
that this was true of all the men in the
family going back generations. On his deathbed, Doe Fonda asked
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his daughter, Cindy, have you lost weight? Yet? She wasn't fat.
In parentheses, she put eating disorders abound and fond of women,
and at least two of Dad's five wives suffered from bulimia.
Once I hit adolescence, the only time my father ever
referred to how I looked was when he thought I
was too fat. Then it was always his wife who
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would be sent to let me know he was displeased
that he wanted me to wear a different, less revealing
bathing suit, a looser belt, or a longer dress. The
truth is I was never fat, but that wasn't what
mattered for a girl trying to please others. What mattered
was how I saw myself, how I'd learned to see
myself through others judgmental, object defying eyes. And then there's
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an astis here at the bottom of the chapter where
she said, I don't mean to suggest that all girls
who strive for perfection and feel inadequate end up with
an eating disorder, but too many do. Every decade, five
point six percent of people. Again, these statistics are from
several years ago, but she said every decade, five point
six percent of people with anorexy and believe me, a die,
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which is about twelve times higher than the annual death
rate due to all causes of death among females ages
fifteen to twenty four in the general population. So I
have goose bumps even while I read it, because I
thought Jane Fonda loved herself and she how could she not? Yes,
there she is and as you read more again that's
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just parts from one page, but you see into her
insecurities and how she didn't feel that way. And I mean,
fortunately something in her father's family was pasted down to him,
which was then passed down to her. And there's a
lot of different factors that probably make us why we
are the way we are about our insecurities or our bodies.
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But to have that right into your own home, and
then you know, she went and projected it on to
everybody else with her workout videos. And meanwhile she was miserable.
That was a season in her life where she wasn't
even in tune with what was going on. And now
she calls herself where she is in life now her
third act, and now she's learned to accept her body
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and where she is. So I just think our conversation is,
why wait till your third act in life? I'm in
the probably my second act right now. I think that's
a good I think. I think the second act. I
think I don't know how they define it, maybe fifty
seventy or something. Well, I'm just making that up, but
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I just I like thinking of it in that way,
and why put it off? And why do we? Why?
Why do we? Why does it take us so long?
Cat Like, what do you think take so long for
its to seep in? Even we see celebrities, maybe we'll
stop following the latest clickbait because eventually that celebrity is
going to write a memoir about it in their third act,
and they're gonna be like, I can't believe I wasted
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so many years worried about being thin. Well, you know,
I was, as you're reading that, I was thinking that
with any of these diets, and I don't know how
eloquent I'm gonna be able to say this, but with
any of these diets and with her and her workout
videos and all that stuff, we're sending out the message
that if you look like this or you do this stuff,
and you get this body and you do this extreme
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diet that you will be happy and you will love
yourself more. And even for the people that are in
the spotlight, the beyonces that all of those kind of
people that like they are their bodies are part of
their brand. They don't need to look like that. There's
no reason that that should be the goal of your
brand is going to be having this body that every idealizes.
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I think that's one of the issues. Is nobody, nobody,
no matter who you are, should have to do a
workout that you don't like, or follow a meal plan
that makes you have to shrink your life in general
to look a certain way. But we send the message
that our bodies and what they look like are more
important than how we feel on the inside. And I
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think that's overarching. That's why it's so attractive, because those
diets and those workouts point us to what the world
says will give us happiness and freedom from our insecurities,
when really they just make them deeper. But we have
to first get rid of the message that having a
certain body and looking a certain way is that important.
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That is everywhere in our culture. It's everywhere. It makes
me think of I love that we're talking about celebrities books,
Jessica Simpsons. Oh my gosh, did I tell you to
read that one? No? I don't think so was obsessed.
Did you know they're turning it into an Amazon show? Yes? Yeah,
and they're turning Maybe you should talk to Somebody into
a show too. I was thinking that it would be
a great movie that they're going to do a show. Okay, awesome.
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So I listened to Jessica Simpson's book a couple of
months ago when I was like redoing my house. It's
what I would listen to. And I've had so many
clients read it too, because I grew up with Jessica
Simpson and I never imagined but I remember when she
talked about that mom picture, the mom jeans. I remember
when that happened. And I'm sure on the Bobby Bones
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Show I probably reported on it. Yes, I mean, why
is it the fact that Jessica Simpson looks like she's
gained weight a big deal? Also, she didn't gain weight
like she just that was an angle of a picture.
But why does it matter anyway? Like that? Like we
have to pay attention to what we are allowing to
fill up our brains because I don't care if Jessica
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Simpson gained fifteen pounds, but yet there is something when
media and click bait does make it a thing, then
it's like, oh, it's a gossip that gives something to
talk about. If Jessica Simpson gaining ten pounds and I
feel better about myself, oh a hundred percent. If I
see that, okay, then I don't feel so bad looking
the way I look. When like, that's just that's a
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humanity problem of why are we looking to put people
down in certain ways so we can feel better. Why
can't we just lift ourselves up and they can be
a separate thing. And you know. Also mentioned in Jessica's
book is the time that her record label told her
when she signed and she was a teenager not I mean,
who cares what her body looks like anyways, but there's
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no way she needed to lose fifteen pounds and they
told her, Okay, yeah, beautiful voice, great face, lose fifteen
pounds and you've got a deal or whatever kind I mean.
I'm paraphrasing, but I mean to hear that and what
she would have to do, because not all of our
bodies are created. This is another very important point, but
not all of our bodies are created to be at
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the size that they wanted her to be at. She
had to literally develop an eating disorder to get to
that point. And when it comes to all of these
things that all of these people are promoting, I could
do every thing that Jane Fonda did every workout. I
would follow her meal plan exactly. And it does not
mean that I would look the same way as her.
I could follow whatever Beyonce does. I could say, oh
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I have I also on this absurd celebrity diets list,
there's like what Miranda Kurd did, which is a Victoria's
Secret model. And I think aren't models like more rare
than pro athletes are, like the five Players or something.
I mean, I guess her bodies are programmed and wired differently.
I totally this could be This also could not be true.
This is just something that I read somewhere that Gigi
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Hadid has some kind of thing where she's not allowed,
like her body will not gain weight. That's a thing
where you can't put on weight. And so why are
we why are we aiming to have the body of
somebody who her body doesn't allow her to do that
My body does. And so I think all of that
to say I could do everything that Gigi Hadid does,
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could do everything that Giselle does, and it does not
mean that my body would look like there's because my
body is programmed differently, totally genetically. It's just different. And
I even I work in the fitness industry in Nashville,
and I could take just as many cycling classes as
the instructor next to me and eat everything she does,
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and my body will never look like hers. And it
doesn't mean that I'm out of shape. It doesn't mean
that I don't know what I'm doing. It doesn't mean
that I'm anything less than her. It just means we
have different bodies, right, And I gotta give Cat a
shout out because she had tryouts last weekend. Is that
what it's called. I don't know you will make auditions,
but I think tryout brings me back to like high
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school soccer. So she had auditions to become a well
for this a new spin cycle place here in Nashville.
And I wanted to tell y'all where in a second
because she posted a clip on Instagram of one of
her old cycle classes of her on the bike motivating
you through class, and it was so inspirational. I thought
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I was proud of you, like get it. Yeah, I
mean I was. I was just sitting and come to
watching it. I don't I'm not the biggest spin person,
but I am going to go take your class to
support you and feel motivated. I already told her that
when she tells me to turn the knob up to heavy,
I'm gonna make it. I mean, just so that the
class things I'm doing, I'm gonna pretend to turn the
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knob and I'm just going to keep writing. But if
people are in Nashville, where you're gonna So if you're
in Nashville, there's a studio called Full Ride Cycling. It's
in the twelfth South neighborhood. It's on tenth and it's amazing.
The instructors are amazing. Then obviously that there's three new
instructors and I think in the first week of February
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I'll start. But it is just a place where you
can go and it doesn't matter what you look like.
You know what. I'm glad you even said that I'm
gonna fake turn my knob because a cycling class is
something that should be self driven, Like if you want
to add resistance. You do it if you don't want
to ignore what I'm saying. Ignore what I'm saying. Listen
to your body. You know it better than me. But
this play say is one of the places that has
helped me survive the last year, just because of how
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loving they are and they want to know you and
they want to know your story, and they like, no
matter where you live, make sure you find a healthy place.
There are places it's like a mind body spirit like
mentally it's not going to mess with you. Yes, because
I've definitely been at gym's where mentally it just through me.
When I was twenty two twenty three, like right out
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of college, joined a gym in Austin, and I remember
one of the trainers there. I went to this one
meeting trying to learn more about nutrition. I didn't know
much at all, and I said that I ate cereal
for breakfast and she looked and said, you eat cereal
like in period ever? I know, But then I eventually
(25:47):
turned into that person. To thank goodness, now I'm back
to where if I want to eat a bowl a
cereal in the morning, I can. It impacted me for
a long long time and I would be in spin
class with like super competitive people, and I thought that's
probably where I developed I dislike for spin because I
think originally I didn't always dislike it as much. But
so maybe I'll enjoy your class. But just keep that
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in mind. Like what Cat's saying is, if you're looking
for a place to work out, I know a lot
of you may not be in Nashville, but don't go
to someplace just because you just because they have on
their media and their promotions bodies that you want to have.
That's not what you should look like when you're going
to find somewhere to move your body. It should be okay,
where do I feel safe? Where do I feel supported?
Where do I feel like I can show up? No
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matter if I'm having a good body image day or
a bad body image day or a neutral body image day.
I think that I mean I had to reform my
whole view on movement through my recovery, and that's one
of the things that I help a lot of my
clients do because it's so intertwined. I was a huge runner.
That was part of my eating disorder, so I had
to take a break from running and then figure out
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how to love it again. In a different way. And
I think one of the things that you said is
the competitiveness. There's a lot of studios that's like this
person and do this many pull ups, like you have
to do this, like it's all competitions, or this person
got this many points in this race or this person
and it's like no, like you judge you based on you.
How did you do? How do you feel? Do you
feel like you listen to yourself? Do you feel like
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you've got what you needed? Sometimes what I need is
just to hear the instructors say kind things to me,
like it doesn't have anything to do with burning calories,
and then say the place one more time, full ride cycling,
full ride cycling, Okay, just in case people want to
try it out and they are in Nashville. Yes, well,
I was gonna say some of the diets. I know
we were talking about celebrity diets, but the celebrity workouts
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like who's whose trainer? I need to go do what
ever they're doing. It's the same thing of like they
might be doing this extreme training program because of what
their brand is, or because of what they're working on professionally,
or because their professional athletes. You do not need to do.
I don't know sports, so I can't call out any professional.
You don't need to do this person who's in the
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NBA's work out, Like, there's no need for that. And
so yeah, just some the you don't need two days. No,
there's no reason that you or I would need it
to a day. We need like half of a day,
like half of one work out at that gym, the
same one where I was at three oh most people
there were there morning and night and it was just
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part of the it was like a trathlon type gym,
and it was the only way you could really get
your training in honestly. So Okay, that's gonna put a
wrap on this chat. But just know where to look
when it comes to you. And and if you need
to seek professional help, then maybe you do need to
meet with a dietitian or someone that can help walk
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you through that, someone that specializes in disordered eating and
eating disorders, because the last thing you want to do
is find someone that doesn't and then it perpetuates the problem.
I've learned that there's a big difference. There's like a
line in the sand of like people that are that
are woke and then and I can I add that, Like,
even if you're somebody who's like, oh, this is hitting
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something and me, I need to go figure out what
my stuff is and I want to talk to a professional.
It is important to find somebody who specializes in eating
disorders and disordered eating, whether it's a dietitian or a therapist,
because there are a lot of in quote healthy behaviors
that some people will promote as even a professional unknowingly
not even trying to cause harm like you're saying, and
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like a lot of people would promote exercise as a
form of like self care or taking care of your
health in general. And if you don't know the back
ends of disordered eating and how eating disorders work and
how they're all interentwined, you can have somebody cheerly do
on something that's not great, and then you can be
what my therapist told me to and you use it
as That's what I get worried about of. You know
(29:48):
that when we share articles like this, just flippant lee
on the show, and I know I need to relax
because we are We're doing a show. Bobby's doing a show.
He's not He's like, this isn't my thing I'm not
on that way. Okay, them down, but I just know
that it's my job to at least say real quick,
like before he ends the segment. I just say that simply.
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I think that's what I did. I just I just
want to make sure we don't trigger anybody. And then
Bobby made a point of like, well, but there are
healthy people that could handle whatever it is that he said.
I don't even know if it was this article, might
have been something else that I said that about. Actually
it wasn't the celebrity one. Now I'm rambling, but you
get My point is that like there's some people that
whatever Bobby said, they literally might be able to handle
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it because they don't have disordered patterns, so that information
they might receive like the whatever the logical things in
it are. But someone that's unhealthy like me, if I
was a listener, I would have used it as like,
oh now I have a reason in an excuse to
continue because the look at them. Yeah. Okay, So that
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is a wrap on today's episode. We hope you are
having a great Saturday. Kat is the host of her
very own podcast called You Need Therapy, which you should
definitely check out, and we will be back next Saturday
with another episode It'll be mean Lisa, and I think
we have a guest named Gabby who's doing amazing things
for people online to help heal their food and body
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issues and not pass it down to the next generation,
which is I was trying on dresses with a friend
the other day and she said, I don't like my
arms in the stress. And then she stopped herself and
she said, honestly, I don't even think there's anything wrong
with my arms. I just grew up hearing my mom
talk badly about her arms all the time that now
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I just obsess about my arms. But the same thing
is with me, my grandma, my mom me. I even
said something to Stashira, my daughter, who's thirteen, adopted genetically.
She's Haitian, I am America, very different, and she's like,
felt my arm or felt something, and she's she's a kid,
and she's just like, oh, mom, soft or whatever. And
(31:58):
I said, well, it's okay, you're you won't have this problem.
And then I know we're like, I want to take
this word right now, I know. And then I think
my friend Mary was on FaceTime at the time, and
she said, it's not a problem, and I thought, oh
my gosh, I'm so glad Mary said that right away
because I was able to redirect and say, you're right,
it's not a problem, but we do have different arms
and but it's unlearning. And like I said, I'm here
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to admit my faults and that I'm on this journey too.
I'm never preaching at you at all. I'm just trying
to make sure nobody feels alone in this crazy space.
You feel lonely because not a lot of people are
talking about how they feel really about their bodies and
what they're thinking in private. And for me, the arm
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thing was that's something that was from the generation before us,
and like we can change that. So anyway, all this
to say, next Saturday will be a good chat about that.
Thank you Cat for joining, and if you have anything
you want to share with us, you can email us
Hello oh at outwag dot com. MHM
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