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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I won't let my body out out wait everything that
I'm made do. Won't spend my life trying to change.
I'm learning to love who I am. I get I'm strong,
I feel free, I know who every part of me.
It's beautiful and down will always out wait if you
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feel it with your eyes. And here she's some love
to the boom. There, let's say good day and did
you and die out? All right, we're back week three
with Crystal lunen Schlass. Thank you so much for joining
us for a little we'll call it a residency with me.
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Yea and Crystal is based here in Nashville, That's where
I'm from, and I'm going to have her run through
her credentials real quick because she's the expert. In case
you missed the previous two weeks that she is on,
I encourage you to go down my those episodes as well.
We talked about how body image is more about your
brain than what you look like. We also broke down
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what even is normal eating. And today we're going to
get into a listener email that I'll read in just
a second. But Crystal, your quick bio. Yeah, I am
certified eating disorder registered dietitian here in Nashville. I own
a group practice called Horizon Nutrition Counseling, and we specialize
in the treatment of eating disorders for men and women. UM.
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I think last week we also I also touched on
that we treat exercise disorders, a substance recovery, and all
all things behavioral health. Well, I appreciate you being here
and helping me navigate this email that I'm about to
share with you. UM. I'm not going to say the
person's name just because it's about her friend, but she
did right in from Utah, so I'll say that. And
she said, Hey, Amy, I have a good friend who
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pretty clearly is battling and eating disorder. When we go
out to eat somewhere, she often asks the server many
questions about what's in the food and then order something
and doesn't really even eat any of it. She makes
excuses saying that she's never hungry. But I, as her friend,
am worried she's underweight and I've noticed some of the
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behaviors that you've talked about from your days with disordered eating.
Do I gently say anything to her, perhaps that I'm concerned,
or do I not say anything at all? I just
hate seeing her this way and want her to know
that I'm concerned but in a loving manner. Do you
have any idea on how to approach her about the situation.
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I'd love your thoughts, um to kind of recognize those behaviors,
it's a really special skill to have, you know, to
recognize disordered eating, but also kind of recognize your experience
with your friends. You know, like this experience doesn't feel
authentic to me, and being able to kind of bring
that up with your friend is certainly a hard place
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to be, and it definitely depends on the relationship you
have with a person. I don't know if you've ever
heard of like a healthy confrontation, like the the format
for it by using eye statements, and if it's something
where you feel really concerned, especially if you're noticing kind
of deterioration and her health, her mental status, or just
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her ability to be your friend, you know, you certainly
can express concern for those observations if you feel comfortable
with it by using the eye statement, like I'm you know,
i feel concern or I feel fear, I'm scared because
I'm watching you write down real quick why it's important
for the eye statements. I statements are helpful because it
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kind of dismantles the like aggressive confrontation and like accusatory
type like you know, like you're not you know, doing that.
You know, it comes off very aggressive and people will
shut down and become defensive. So when you're using eye statements,
it kind of helps dismantle that aggression and that you know,
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like putting that wall up to become defensive. So, which
I'm gonna say two things based on this email and
then the eye statements. So I have had Mom's email.
This is a best friend or a friend's situation. But
there's loved ones, there's coworkers who've gotten emails across everything.
So you can use this information to apply it to
anybody in your life. But also with the healthy confrontation
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and using eyes, it doesn't even have to be a
conversation about an eating disorder. It can be a conversation
with a coworker, something with your your partner or your spouse,
a family member, you know, your sister, Like any time
you can step back, and it takes practice because I
think we're just so initially sometimes well you did this,
You're I'm noticing that you blah, blah blah blah blah,
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you you you, and then yeah, if you step back.
So it's something that definitely takes practice, but can be
huge in you know, mature healthy dialogue. Yes, when you
master that skill, it's almost like the person receiving it,
they're kind of like they want to become defensive, but
they can't because you the way you said it really
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dismantled them and or disarmed them. And it's it's kind
of funny to see it because then they really do
become more open. So those I statements are really helpful
and just kind of expressing how the behaviors and your
observations make you feel. And you can kind of start
there and then you know, if it really is if
she's pretty open about it, you know you can certainly
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you know, like have you ever had gotten support for this,
and you know, do a little bit more digging. But
some people don't know that they have issues, so presenting
a solution for a problem they don't know they have
can make a person upset. So it's really just kind
of navigating the response after you kind of express your
concern and at the end of the day, if it's
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somebody who you really feel is very sick and they're
your friends. Sometimes just boundaries are really the last thing
we can do for people who we love and who
are struggling when they really start seeing how they're behaviors
or impacting their lives, not just they you know, they
might have those blinders up and they only see that
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their behaviors are affecting their physical body. But when they
start seeing that your friends are expressing concern because let's
go out to get out of favorite place and all
of a sudden, they're not even enjoying it, and it
creates an awkward situation if that friend no longer is
it's like, Hi, I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna
be able to go to dinner with you anymore. You know,
like setting those boundaries for yourself, because it's hard to
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watch someone you love go through things like that. So
if they're not open to hearing, um what you have
to say, then sometimes those boundaries can be a lot
louder to them than just words. And boundaries are so
hard and even hearing you say like, hey, I'm not
gonna be able to go to dinner with you anymore.
I've had to do some boundary work and oh, man
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like sometimes I just could not get it out of
my mouth because I was just like, I don't want
to be rude. I just feel like that's so rude.
And I for either reading or one of my multiple
therapists said to me at the time, like, it's neither
kind nor unkind. It just is. It's almost like a
because you have to detach from it, and you're not
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being super kind, but you're not you're not being unkind.
You're setting a boundary for yourself and in that relationship,
and then ultimately that might be what opens the eyes
of the other person to be like, oh, should I
get help? And then most of the time when people
are impacted by a boundary that we've had to set
is because it's it's disrupted something in them exactly, especially
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when they don't know that they have an issue or
they think that they're hiding it really really well. So again,
sometimes just boundaries because they might not be getting those
boundaries from anyone else. You might be that first one
and which can make a huge, huge right. It could
be difficult, could be hard. But we're to answer her question,
she said, do I gently say something to her or
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not say anything at all? And So I think the
takeaway here is that you absolutely, I think should say
something if you care about her, But it's all in
the delivery and how you go about doing it, and
that might be something more than just you know, listening
to this podcast. Do you have an expert you could
lean into in your life? Do you have a therapist
you could go to that could help guide you depending
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on how severe a case is, Is there an interventionist
that you could possibly work with, or a mediator or
getting family involved. Now, some of my disordered behaviors, I
wasn't to the point where I needed treatment facility, but
who knows, I could have easily gone down that path.
But I'm thankful for I guess people in my life
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at the time they sort of put up with my BS,
and I'm a little it's it sucks because like I
sort of made their life miserable. Like we would go
out to eat and I would they would be eating
a great meal and I would drink juice. Or they
would come visit me in a town, or we'd go
take a trip somewhere in a town and there's really
amazing food, but we would never go out to eat
anywhere cool because I would just want to go to
the juice shops. And I kind of wish that some
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of my family and friends would have been like, no,
this is stupid, we're going out to eat, or like
if you don't want to come, don't com but we're going.
And then now you know that I'm in recovery, they're
saying things like, oh, yeah, it's more fun to hang
out with you because we can actually go out to
eat at places and you know, enjoy food together as
a family. And then I just think back to how
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difficult everything was when I was living in and eating disorder.
So to this email or from Utah, I love that
you're even concerned enough to email in about your friend,
Like you sound like you have compassion and you truly care,
because when we're in the throes of it, it's very
exhausting and we definitely need support for sure, like something
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as little as being stuck at work and having to
go to appointments for me like I am today, like
I'm not going to get home till a certain time,
and I didn't have time to pack food because I
had just traveled and I got back in and you know,
before Crystal got here, I was grabbing my Chipotle that
was getting door dashed to my off this because I
didn't have time and something like that would have been
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super stressful for me. I would have either just not
eaten or I would have thought, okay, no, I need
to just find like a bar or something really simple,
and not ordered Chipotle, which happened to be what I got.
And then if I did choose to have Chipotle, I
would have obsessed over every little detail of what I
was ordering and even entering, and everything on the app
would have been Okay, wait, should I get Should I
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get the guacamole? I don't know if I should get
to go? Should I get sour cream? I don't know.
I'm not supposed to have dairy, because that's what society
tells me. I'm not supposed to have dairy, but I
love sour cream lately got and I've been talking about
my love and obsession for sour cream. But my process
of I had you coming and I was like, I
gotta hurry, I got a place disorder. I'm like, oh boom, okay,
white right, I spout it up, but yep, yup, sour
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cream develope a bit up. It's probably gonna taste amazing
and I can't wait. But eating out and ordering food
when you're in the thick of it, it's a lot.
And I feel for an you one right now that
is in that position, and I feel for for friends
and loved ones of people that are in that position,
because it's exhausting for all and quite fainally being living
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with me, it was not very much fun during like
my husband and then I would project or if he
was eating something and then I was jealous about I'd
be like, I'd call out what he was eating. What
advice do you have for people that are like living
with others that are let's flip it, like the email
was about a friend being concerned about someone, but what
about the person with the eating disorder that when you're
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living with other people or maybe maybe both sides. Just
like a quick little tip bit of like my poor husband,
like I don't even know I've had to ask for
forgiveness now coming out on the other side of it,
just being like, oh, I'm so sorry that I, you know,
basically threw let's say my eating disorders a blanket. I
threw it all on him and smothered him in it.
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This is probably be a topic for a longer conversation, Crystal,
you probably have to come back for it. But is
there something that you can give to the spouses out
there are the roommates that we can like in their
brain just to be like, Okay, they don't mean this.
This is they're eating disorder talking. I don't have to
listen to it. Yeah. Well, there are a lot of
support groups for loved ones of people struggling with needing disorder,
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just to give some like a place to kind of
vent frustration. They can't quite do that to the person
they're living with, so that could be a helpful place,
or just being connected with people that are kind of
going through the same thing, but also being able to
take care of yourself, whether it's you know, like your
own therapy if you need that, and just getting your
own skills to be able to manage what is going
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on in their household because it is stressful, it's fatiguing,
it's mentally and physically exhausting. To always just kind of
be on eggshells, as a lot of people kind of
describe it. They're not sure what's going to set off
somebody or not, so kind of just doing what you
need to do to take care of yourself, your mental
health at the same time, while you're watching someone you
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love and care about so much go through their own battles.
So those would my my main ones, you know too.
And then just to be able to support you know,
your loved one with if they are on a meal
plan or doing their therapy, you know, like being curious,
you know, like teach me how to use your meal plan.
How you know, what are the skills the meal plan
for recovery? Yeah, meal plan for recovery? Sorry, yes, you know,
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like what skills have been really helpful for you and
how can I support you and using them, you know,
and just being really not allowing that like you know,
if if there's yelling, you know, like either the anger
or the hanger that kind of comes with the those behaviors,
but really just mean like I'm here for you and
at the same time, I gotta have some boundaries to
my boundaries are X y Z, you know, and just
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and doing what you need to do take care of yourself.
So I know there's like alanon yes for family members
um with like for alcoholics anonymous, So is there something
similar for eating disturs? I don't know if it has
a name, but I mean people can just google support
groups in the area. Yes, I mean Nashville has one
art in nash Well, we have a nonprofit organization called
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Renewed and they have a free family support group that
meets once a month, which is fantastic. And then certainly
there's some paid groups too, So just kind of looking
in your area what it's available, but there are they
are out there for awesome to know there's so much
support and you can find more from Crystal at Horizon
Nutrition Counseling dot com. And Crystal, thank you so much
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for helping me answer this email. And shout out to
this friend for even taking the time too. I mean
takes a lot to just even send a note into
podcast or my main show is or my main job
is the Bobby Bone Show, and we're always surprised that,
like it takes a lot to pick up the phone
and even call a radio show and like ask a
question or share something. And so thank you for trusting
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us um with this question. And if y'all would like
to send a note anyone else listening, you can hit
me up hello at Outweigh podcast dot com. They put
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