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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Is Alex Stone, ABC News and Alex Happy Monday.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Happy Monday.
Speaker 3 (00:05):
What's going on.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I hope you had a good weekend. I really do.
Speaker 3 (00:08):
I did it. It was a good weekend. Went to
the USC Penn State game.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
I saw that, actually you posted something on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Game at the end.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
It was quite an ending. It was all good. I
thought USC was gonna pull it off.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
I really it looked like it end.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Yeah, we'll take care of your light work there for USC.
You guys couldn't finish it. The Buckeyes will finish off
Penn State, but we gotta We had our own problems
over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, State now five and they're a force
right now.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
We'll see if it's if they're for real or they're pretenders,
because they'll get our best game. I promised you that
by the time we get there, and it'll be in
Happy Valley, so we'll be in Pennsylvany.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Yeah for that.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
But yeah, So over the weekend, Josh and I were
just talking about this during the break and he just
watched an interview where over the weekend, this guy in
Riverside County, California, this guy is a diehard Trump supporter.
He is a he's a Second Amendment guy, and he
went through and he got busted.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
And I mean he was at the r he was
at the r n C.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
This this interview just got posted Alex about a half
hour ago. Now say what you will. Okay, he did
it with Alex Jones, Okay, whatever. But the guy is like,
he's he's declared. I think his name is Verne Miller.
And he's like, I was at the Republican National Convention.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I was given VIP passes right to this event.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
He goes, I'm and he's he's basically he was going
to sue the sheriff Department.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
He's gonna make it. He's going to file a suit.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
Over this, right, So what is the late We're telling
Alex and he's like, you guys, I got all the
stuff here exactly right.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:42):
So here's the thing. There are two very different sides
to this story. What we know for sure, Trump was
holding his rally and in Riverside County on Saturday out
in Coachella, and they, like all rallies, he had multiple
checkpoints set up. One was kind of a cursory check
to make sure people were in the right place and
you know, you go over here. No, you're not allowed here.
And this forty nine year guy, Ben Miller apparently got
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through that first one had documents maybe fake, maybe real,
but documents to get through it. And then at the
next one, still about a quarter of a mile away
from the event site, and long before Trump got there,
deputies had questions about this guy. And then both sides
admit that the deputies wanted to know more. The sheriff
Chad Bianco, who by the way, Riverside County is a
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very conservative county. Chad Bianco publicly has endorsed Trump. He
did it in uniform. It's been a big controversy. He
has a longtime big Trump supporter. Chad Bianco, the sheriff
that he says, there was a black SUV that came
up try to get through the press and VIP entry
and put it this way.
Speaker 5 (02:42):
The deputy noticed that the interior of the vehicle was
in quite disarray. The vehicle had a an obviously fake
license plate, and that prompted further investigation from our deputy.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
And so he says, in the car they found a
bunch of stuff, including two loaded guns.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
The deputy eventually found multiple passports, with multiple names, multiple
driver's license with different names.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
The vehicle was unregistered.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
And so now the question of why was Miller there. Now,
Miller is apparently part of a sovereign citizens group, and
sovereign citizens are known to carry multiple IDs because they
believe that it'll answer the US government. So that may
go back to that and not trying to get through
the Secret Service at point under somebody else's name, and
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you know that. So you got this guy out there, Miller,
who is telling his story, and he's got online and
he says the sheriff is all wrong. He says he
loves Trump, would never heard Trump. He was invited by
the Nevada GOP, had gone to numerous rallies, always had
guns in the car and always got to the first checkpoint,
told police and they said, well, that's fine, leave them
in the car, don't bring them and walk up to
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security with them and you'll be fine. But but Sheriff
Bianco says.
Speaker 5 (03:55):
If you're asking me right now, I probably did have
deputies that vented the third assassination attempt.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
Yeah, so the you know this guy who says he's Miller,
who's gone online and seems to be that that he
says he volunteeredy of the guns and the deputy then
said I need you to step out of the car,
and they began searching his car. He says he believes
under California law that that's where he got held up
because there was an you know, he had an extended
magazine on his weapons. And then he was arrested on
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gun charges. The Feds, which if it's an assassination attempt,
they would take the case. They have not taken it.
They don't seem to want it at this point. But
but Beyonco said.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
He was eventually booked into jail on those charges and
eventually he was he was released. He will he will
have to further his court case is in the in
the future.
Speaker 3 (04:47):
So they are misdemeanor counts, not felony counts, and local
not federal art. We've got sources telling us he was
no threat. He you know, has been living in Nevada,
He's attended these rallies, but now facing the charge. But
Sheriff Bianco, yeah, he seems to think that this was
potentially an assassination attempt. They're not answering our questions today.
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They haven't responded. But so two different narratives there. Whatever
it was, he was stopped before getting into the rally,
but he says, I was no threat. I was going
to leave the guns in the car, but the deputies
made a deal out of it.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Yeah, I mean what it sounds like diehard Trump supporter
sheriff maybe trying to endear himself to the Trump people or.
Speaker 3 (05:29):
For being on ultra alert because of everything that's gone on,
and you know that that you want to make sure
that at your rally nothing.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Happen in your watch.
Speaker 4 (05:38):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean yeah, I guess put
it on the map of like, aha, I stopped the
third assassination.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I'm kind of like building kind of pad in your resume,
so to speak.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Man, I mean hard to know. He's been around forever.
He is widely loved in Riverside County, you know, so
you know, he kind of tells it like he believes it.
Typically this one, the evidence doesn't seem to match that,
but we'll see where it goes. They say they're still investigating.
The DA has to decide what they're going to do
on the misdemeanor counts, but the Feds at this point,
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the US Attorney, the FBI, the secret Service, they say
they're investigating, but right now they don't have the case.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
This guy lives in Nevada, though, right, and then the
gun laws clearly are different in California.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
They're much stricter.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Yeah, And he says when he goes to Trump rallies
in Arizona and Nevada that he tells the checkpoint, I
got guns, and they go, okay, no problem, just you know,
don't bring them in. And he said when he did
it in California, they get out of your vehicle and
put your hands beyond your back, and so different, different
ballgame in California.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Very interesting. The very latest there. Man arrested could have
been could have been an assassination attempt, but probably not
a five thousand dollars bond.
Speaker 4 (06:46):
I mean, like a guy who's trying to kill the president.
You don't want to five thousand. Yeah, yeah, because it's
five hundred bucks to get out.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Alec Stone, ABC News, Alex, thank you so much, appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Letter guys see you man.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Yeah, so yeah, based on and look, if you would
have you know, half an hour ago, I thought differently
about this whole story, but to hear it the way
now it's being told I don't know that there really
was an assassination.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
I don't. I don't think so, I really don't.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
It's easy to take your mind there based on what
we've witnessed so far.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
It's not like there wasn't precedent. Correct.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So this is a I feel like probably you and
I are in agreees on this.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's a big nothing burger.
Speaker 4 (07:30):
Basically, it just sounds like he's one of those sovereign
citizen types.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
And oh, I dabbled, and I dabbled.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
In that world of just trying to you know, you
know what, they have a point, and then then you
actually sit down and talk to him and like actually
realize just how that how that crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They are right? I'm like, yeah, no, I don't want
any part of this.
Speaker 1 (07:55):
Well, if you're a sovereign citizen, you can get a
commercial airline to turn around, go back and get your
cell phone if you left it back at the you
know where you are in a plane.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
You realize that.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
Once you're up in the air, you realize, oh, you
got captain, you gotta turn this plane around.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
There was the story where this lady and there was
audio with it where she's telling basically the staff on
the plane to turn around. She had forgotten her cell phone,
and she tried to tell him, I'm a sovereign citizen.
Didn't she say she owned she is in the world.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
No, she said, she's the Uh, she's the governing president
of this entire country.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Sit down, lady.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
She owns seven continents. And she's also really racist against
white people.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
Mike, you can feel that too. She was a raging,
fat racist.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
There's an Ohio law prohibiting carrying a gun speaking of
guns while drinking at bars, and it could be overturned.
And yeah, the court agreed to hear this case regarding
a long standing state law. And if you are, you know,
you cannot take a firearm in an establishment with an
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on premises an on premise liquor permit. So this law
would allow carrying a firearm to enter somewhere that serves alcohol,
and you'd have to have a valid concealed handgun license.
And you do not consume alcohol or drugs on the premise,
but you could have it with you and you and
I think again and in agreement here that this is
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I feel like it's a bad idea. Even if you're saying, look,
I'm not drinking while I'm in there. Officers, I don't
even know if, well, a lot of off duty officers
I guess will have a weapon with them. But I
think they're supposed to they're supposed to carry unless they're drinking.
I'm pretty sure, but I'm a little fuzzy.
Speaker 2 (09:52):
I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
But if the establishment has a display that says, you know,
no guns, I think that would override this.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
Sure, right, so I think so No, I it's well,
come on, our building has no guns on its sign.
I'm serious, it does, right, I know, Yeah, but that
doesn't so like what would be to stop somebody who
worked at you know what whatever?
Speaker 2 (10:18):
What are these other places in our building?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
What would what would what would stop be stopping them
from just ignoring that and bringing that weapon in?
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Nothing exactly, It's just a sign. If there's an incident,
that's when it comes into play.
Speaker 2 (10:34):
Oh sure, yeah, absolutely, that's all.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, that's that's a c Y. That's a c Y,
a thing for the building.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
I could totally understand the men whoever the real team
management company that owns this building, that is that is
there on their end for a c Y so they
can't be held legally responsible and sued.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
I would think, so, yeah, that's that if there was
if there was an incident and somebody in this building
ended up shooting somebody, even if it was justified, I
think it would be this big brew.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Ha ha I.
Speaker 4 (11:02):
I've been in bars, and you've been in bars where
you know there's heat in there, people are packing.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
I had one guy dumb enough a couple of years ago. Actually,
you know, stick it in your face, stick in my face.
I was May May tenth, twenty twenty one. Stuck it
right in my face. So was it an argument? That
was a was an armed robbery attempt. I was helping
the bartender. She was a little girl, little she was scared.
I'm a bigger guy. She wanted me to stay and
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I didn't even know help her close because she got
scared at three o'clock in the morning, in the middle
of the night, and I was like, absolutely, Katie, I'll
help you.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So I help her.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
Boom, you had a guy branded when he comes in,
brandishes a weapon.
Speaker 4 (11:48):
No, we went out to shut the back pack, lock
the back patio. He had climbed the fence and was
hiding in the patio for us to come out and
shut the door, to lock up the door. Yeah, and
that's where he put the gun in my face. She
she screams. Another guy falls to the ground, and I
just I'm looking. I'm staring down the barrel of a
forty five. I turn around, I ran. You've never seen
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a fat guy in flip flops run so fast in
your life, But yes I have. I have been robbed
at gunpoint. They didn't get anything but an attempt at
robbery at gunpoint.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
Yeah, So listen, I love bars. I love bars. Everybody knows.
I love a good bar, and I love guns.
Speaker 4 (12:28):
Love me some guns, but I do not love anything
to do with good guns in bars.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
Yeah, if you don't have it on you, and God
forbid you do have a drink, or if you do
have it on you and you have a drink because
you're like, eh, not a bit, and then all of
a sudden, something happens.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
It's got worse worse, right, And then somebody says, oh, well,
just keep it in your car. Well, what's to prevent
you from getting drunk getting into a fight, and go, y'all,
I'm gonna put an end to this. And you go
out to you just don't bring a gun to a bar.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
Please, for the rest of us,