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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So let's bring in FLb President Lodge nin I'm Brian
Steele joining us now, Hey Brian, Happy new year, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey Hapy new year. Thanks for having me as always.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah man, yeah, So there's some interesting kind of angles
or wrinkles, if you will, towards this particular thing. Now again,
this bill that the governor signed allows state local police
charging up to up to seven hundred and fifty dollars
per video reviewed and produced in response to a public
records request. So let me get this straight up. Until now,
(00:32):
the public records request for these videos it could be bodycam,
so on and so forth, those have all been no charge. Correct.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's my understanding that certain jurisdictions could charge before. Same
with you wanted a copy of a police support or
an action report, and it might have been five cents
a page. So I don't know what the fee was,
but I believe they always could have charged before, but
certainly not the numbers.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We just saw, right, Okay, So where do you come
down on this particular provision that was added to House
Built three fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Conceptionally, I see the issue they're trying to address, and
we always have to weigh public transparency of public accountability
with taxpayer funds. This is what we know, and this
is the problem. Some requests that we're getting for BWC's
or agencies are getting are for monetary purposes. Think social
media influencers, websites, YouTubers. They're making these broad requests for
(01:30):
videos and now someone has to sit down. They have
to pull these videos, they have to watch these videos,
they have to redact these videos. This is taxpayer funds,
government employees spending hours and hours doing this, and I'm
not here to get any way side hustle. Some of
these companies that are doing this, making these I call
them YouTubers. They're doing good work. Columbus police body camera
(01:53):
for example. They request videos and they show the governor,
they show the citizens what it is like to be
a Columbus Please. I think the issue right now is
going to be how much is this going to cost somebody?
How much should a should a citizen have to pay
to get a government document? And that's going to be
the question.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So so yeah, so when they so, Now, what you're
saying is they're just talking about categorically across the board
just charging a fee or they still allowed to waive
it is there is there a human element here that says, Okay,
this particular situation, we can get whatever they're requesting here,
(02:32):
it's no charge. But say they see, you know, a
YouTuber as you put it, or somebody social media who
is doing something monetarily with this as a as a
source of income for them. If they see something like that,
then they would be able to charge. Or I mean,
is it going to be on a case by case
or is it just going to be kind of across
the board.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, that's going to be the tricky part. How do
you do that? I mean, I mean, and any time
you have government discretion, is that discretion going to be abused?
What if you have an agency who maybe likes Channel
ten but does not like NBC. Maybe when Blazer makes
a request it's five dollars, but they don't like Chuck,
so it's one hundred and fifty dollars. These are questions
(03:13):
that the FOP always wants to know. Any kind of corruption,
whether it's in a police department or a government, we're
always going to be outspoken against. We just want to
make sure this is not going to be used as
some kind of for profitty scheme like we've seen in
New Rome. We've openly spoke against the City of Whitehall
for taxing the poor with their ticket quota scam. We're
(03:34):
hoping certain cities or certain municipalities are not going to
use this to now try to drive any revenue. That's
something that only time will tell.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But we're watching and using that for profit metric. I
mean that's a subjective thing too, because look, we want
people to go to sixten doutv in dot com. Channel
ten wants people on their site. Channel six wants people
on their site. This generates traffic, which generates ratings, which
generates our revenue, which keeps us all the air. So
that if we ask for a public records request from
(04:02):
somebody that goes into a convenience store and shoots the
place up, we are actually in the long run, generating
profit for ourselves and our company by doing that. So
do we start charging media outlets? I mean how far?
And that is Look, there's a time when I ask
for the president of Columbus City Council and a former
member of the media who's dead now used to be
(04:22):
the gatekeeper down there. He intercepted the email. Refuse to
let the guy on because of Saturday morning open phones,
not because of anything I'd done, not because of anything
I'd said. I'd had many Democrats in here before, but
I hear stuff on their Saturday mornings, and then I
just don't think it'd be a good idea for him
to come on, what the hell are you talking about
(04:44):
Saturday morning open phones? Wor any Democrat or left he
can call up to. You've got a problem with what
the public says. You deny access to my listeners to
the president of our city council. That's bs. Those are
the same kind of minds that will be making a
decision about whether or not I get charged for this.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And that's something we'll see. The FLP represents members of
twenty nine different agencies. Overwhelming majority these agencies are very
professionally run in and I don't think this is going
to be an issue. But like anything, anytime the government
is going to charge a fee, let's just make sure
the fee is reasonable. I understand a public records report
for the actual physical paper might be five cents a
sheet of paper, right, I mean, the government has a
(05:22):
duty to make sure their taxpayer funds are being properly spent.
But I just thought what jumped out and me and
everybody else was the amount. And remember the FLP, we
make public records all the time, So this is something
I directed my board to, Hey, sit down, let's look
at how many record quests we've made. And now we're
going to have to obviously start thinking about budgeting for
that where maybe we did it before. And I think
(05:43):
every other company, including six to ten, is going to
have to have the same conversation with the being counters
in the budget office.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, how about I have an idea, And I don't
know what you think of this, like you, like, for instance,
somebody like you who is definitely a frequent flyer in
this situation, you would be requesting this stuff at the
behest usually of your members, correct. I mean it's usually
there's some sort of litigation involved or whatever. You guys
are not money makers off of this, correct, So you're
(06:13):
one hundred percent never putting it somewhere where you're literally
receiving compensation of some sort. And I can't I can't
imagine where they would charge you anything with regard to that.
I feel like, you know, if you have a history
or a record history of using this for what we
kind of just what I was just saying there, then
(06:34):
they they would not they wouldn't even think about charging
you in a situation like this. We're talking about a
guy or gal possibly who could be fighting for their
life or you know, staying out of prison or fill
in the blank. On all of that, I get why
they would charge YouTubers and people who are making money.
Maybe they give them like five the first five in
(06:55):
a calendar year are no charge or something along those lines.
But you know what, you brought up something interesting too, Brian,
when you and I chatted earlier. But you're saying, look,
it could be hundreds of hours of manpower that has
to go through these people that this wide swath of
video request or the body camera, what have you, and
somebody has to go through all of that. Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's correct, And and for your listeners, this is why
it's routed in ARC. It's law. There's certain stuff by
law that has to be redacted. If there's an incident,
a police incident, and maybe I'm the primary officer and
I have three hour body camera and then every other
officer responded had three hours of body camera, somebody has
to physically sit down and watch that. There's certain stuff
(07:39):
by law we can't release a victim of crime, maybe
juveniles faces, an officer's name if he's involved in an incident,
maybe someone's private parts. We have to redact that. Someone
physically has to sit down and do that, and it
takes time, and that's where the monetary value comes in
the cost it drains resources. Again, Columbus might have thousands
(08:00):
of years or thousands of hours. Perry Township might have
eighty requests, which doesn't sound like a lot. It's a
smaller police department with one person doing it. And again,
you might need a report because you're a victim of crime.
You might need a report because perhaps you got an accident.
It now takes months to get these reports, and it's
not the city's fault. They're just so inundated with these requests.
(08:22):
And I think exceptionally that is what it was trying
to address. Whether this addresses it, We're definitely going to
watch and we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, these numbers are just like you said it at
the beginning, that we have not seen numbers like this,
five cents of page to get a police report. I
can deal with that, and usually if memory serves correct,
if they emailed them to me, I don't think I
had to pay anything, But if they I actually wanted
to printed as five cents to make a you know print, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
About right, that's about right. A copy in your.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Hand, that's cool. But you know, we start talking to
seventy five hundred hundred fifty dollars to get access to
a public record video paper, I don't care what it is.
If it's a public record, it's a public record, period,
and we need the mechanisms and functionality in place to
provide those public records to the public. If law requires
(09:09):
from the state that it be redacted or whatever, well
then you know, that's again the horse before the card.
Maybe that should have been worked out before we sprung
it on the public.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And this was quick, but my understanding this building and
making any committees, you know, as you know, you guys
been around a long time, or weird things happen at
Lambs Duck. Stuff gets tucked into other bills, but this
one seemed to pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It hit yeah. And you know, also something else that
kind of jumped out at me while we were sitting here.
I'm kind of thinking, and I'm going, well, so an
attorney is requesting something for his client, but he's making
money off of that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, he's not a YouTuber, Yeah, but that's his business.
And then he'll charge the client for whatever it cost
incurred there. But you got Steve Inman. I tell you,
I love Steve Iman on Twitter. He takes crime videos
people basically when bad guys get what's coming to him. Yeah,
and he's a UFC announcer, so he does UFC announcing
over this. Yeah you know, oh got it dose to
(10:02):
that Edison medicine when they hit him with a stun
gun or something like that. Right, I love that. I
guarantee you he's making money. Steve Enman should be paying
for those videos because he's making money off.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Of Yeah, it's a big it's a big entertainment factor,
no question. But yeah, where do you draw the line?
Like to Brian's point, I guess it's interesting the way
this is I suppose going to play out. But as
of right now, it looks like there's going to be
charges involved, correct, Brian, that's what.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It looks like, right minim I think seventy five hours
they could charge, they can cap it at seven point fifty. Well, listen,
I all gotta tell you, brother, this is there. This
state is great. There's always something. We always got something
to talk about. So that's something new for twenty five
to keep going back and forth on.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You got that right, FB, President Lodge and I and
Brian Steele. Brian, thanks for jumping on with us. We
appreciate your man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, brothers. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
See ya
So let's bring in FLb President Lodge nin I'm Brian
Steele joining us now, Hey Brian, Happy new year, brother.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Hey Hapy new year. Thanks for having me as always.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
Yeah man, yeah, So there's some interesting kind of angles
or wrinkles, if you will, towards this particular thing. Now again,
this bill that the governor signed allows state local police
charging up to up to seven hundred and fifty dollars
per video reviewed and produced in response to a public
records request. So let me get this straight up. Until now,
(00:32):
the public records request for these videos it could be bodycam,
so on and so forth, those have all been no charge. Correct.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
It's my understanding that certain jurisdictions could charge before. Same
with you wanted a copy of a police support or
an action report, and it might have been five cents
a page. So I don't know what the fee was,
but I believe they always could have charged before, but
certainly not the numbers.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
We just saw, right, Okay, So where do you come
down on this particular provision that was added to House
Built three fifteen.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Conceptionally, I see the issue they're trying to address, and
we always have to weigh public transparency of public accountability
with taxpayer funds. This is what we know, and this
is the problem. Some requests that we're getting for BWC's
or agencies are getting are for monetary purposes. Think social
media influencers, websites, YouTubers. They're making these broad requests for
(01:30):
videos and now someone has to sit down. They have
to pull these videos, they have to watch these videos,
they have to redact these videos. This is taxpayer funds,
government employees spending hours and hours doing this, and I'm
not here to get any way side hustle. Some of
these companies that are doing this, making these I call
them YouTubers. They're doing good work. Columbus police body camera
(01:53):
for example. They request videos and they show the governor,
they show the citizens what it is like to be
a Columbus Please. I think the issue right now is
going to be how much is this going to cost somebody?
How much should a should a citizen have to pay
to get a government document? And that's going to be
the question.
Speaker 1 (02:12):
So so yeah, so when they so, Now, what you're
saying is they're just talking about categorically across the board
just charging a fee or they still allowed to waive
it is there is there a human element here that says, Okay,
this particular situation, we can get whatever they're requesting here,
(02:32):
it's no charge. But say they see, you know, a
YouTuber as you put it, or somebody social media who
is doing something monetarily with this as a as a
source of income for them. If they see something like that,
then they would be able to charge. Or I mean,
is it going to be on a case by case
or is it just going to be kind of across
the board.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, that's going to be the tricky part. How do
you do that? I mean, I mean, and any time
you have government discretion, is that discretion going to be abused?
What if you have an agency who maybe likes Channel
ten but does not like NBC. Maybe when Blazer makes
a request it's five dollars, but they don't like Chuck,
so it's one hundred and fifty dollars. These are questions
(03:13):
that the FOP always wants to know. Any kind of corruption,
whether it's in a police department or a government, we're
always going to be outspoken against. We just want to
make sure this is not going to be used as
some kind of for profitty scheme like we've seen in
New Rome. We've openly spoke against the City of Whitehall
for taxing the poor with their ticket quota scam. We're
(03:34):
hoping certain cities or certain municipalities are not going to
use this to now try to drive any revenue. That's
something that only time will tell.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
But we're watching and using that for profit metric. I
mean that's a subjective thing too, because look, we want
people to go to sixten doutv in dot com. Channel
ten wants people on their site. Channel six wants people
on their site. This generates traffic, which generates ratings, which
generates our revenue, which keeps us all the air. So
that if we ask for a public records request from
(04:02):
somebody that goes into a convenience store and shoots the
place up, we are actually in the long run, generating
profit for ourselves and our company by doing that. So
do we start charging media outlets? I mean how far?
And that is Look, there's a time when I ask
for the president of Columbus City Council and a former
member of the media who's dead now used to be
(04:22):
the gatekeeper down there. He intercepted the email. Refuse to
let the guy on because of Saturday morning open phones,
not because of anything I'd done, not because of anything
I'd said. I'd had many Democrats in here before, but
I hear stuff on their Saturday mornings, and then I
just don't think it'd be a good idea for him
to come on, what the hell are you talking about
(04:44):
Saturday morning open phones? Wor any Democrat or left he
can call up to. You've got a problem with what
the public says. You deny access to my listeners to
the president of our city council. That's bs. Those are
the same kind of minds that will be making a
decision about whether or not I get charged for this.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
And that's something we'll see. The FLP represents members of
twenty nine different agencies. Overwhelming majority these agencies are very
professionally run in and I don't think this is going
to be an issue. But like anything, anytime the government
is going to charge a fee, let's just make sure
the fee is reasonable. I understand a public records report
for the actual physical paper might be five cents a
sheet of paper, right, I mean, the government has a
(05:22):
duty to make sure their taxpayer funds are being properly spent.
But I just thought what jumped out and me and
everybody else was the amount. And remember the FLP, we
make public records all the time, So this is something
I directed my board to, Hey, sit down, let's look
at how many record quests we've made. And now we're
going to have to obviously start thinking about budgeting for
that where maybe we did it before. And I think
(05:43):
every other company, including six to ten, is going to
have to have the same conversation with the being counters
in the budget office.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, how about I have an idea, And I don't
know what you think of this, like you, like, for instance,
somebody like you who is definitely a frequent flyer in
this situation, you would be requesting this stuff at the
behest usually of your members, correct. I mean it's usually
there's some sort of litigation involved or whatever. You guys
are not money makers off of this, correct, So you're
(06:13):
one hundred percent never putting it somewhere where you're literally
receiving compensation of some sort. And I can't I can't
imagine where they would charge you anything with regard to that.
I feel like, you know, if you have a history
or a record history of using this for what we
kind of just what I was just saying there, then
(06:34):
they they would not they wouldn't even think about charging
you in a situation like this. We're talking about a
guy or gal possibly who could be fighting for their
life or you know, staying out of prison or fill
in the blank. On all of that, I get why
they would charge YouTubers and people who are making money.
Maybe they give them like five the first five in
(06:55):
a calendar year are no charge or something along those lines.
But you know what, you brought up something interesting too, Brian,
when you and I chatted earlier. But you're saying, look,
it could be hundreds of hours of manpower that has
to go through these people that this wide swath of
video request or the body camera, what have you, and
somebody has to go through all of that. Correct.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
That's correct, And and for your listeners, this is why
it's routed in ARC. It's law. There's certain stuff by
law that has to be redacted. If there's an incident,
a police incident, and maybe I'm the primary officer and
I have three hour body camera and then every other
officer responded had three hours of body camera, somebody has
to physically sit down and watch that. There's certain stuff
(07:39):
by law we can't release a victim of crime, maybe
juveniles faces, an officer's name if he's involved in an incident,
maybe someone's private parts. We have to redact that. Someone
physically has to sit down and do that, and it
takes time, and that's where the monetary value comes in
the cost it drains resources. Again, Columbus might have thousands
(08:00):
of years or thousands of hours. Perry Township might have
eighty requests, which doesn't sound like a lot. It's a
smaller police department with one person doing it. And again,
you might need a report because you're a victim of crime.
You might need a report because perhaps you got an accident.
It now takes months to get these reports, and it's
not the city's fault. They're just so inundated with these requests.
(08:22):
And I think exceptionally that is what it was trying
to address. Whether this addresses it, We're definitely going to
watch and we'll find out.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
Yeah, these numbers are just like you said it at
the beginning, that we have not seen numbers like this,
five cents of page to get a police report. I
can deal with that, and usually if memory serves correct,
if they emailed them to me, I don't think I
had to pay anything, But if they I actually wanted
to printed as five cents to make a you know print, that's.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
About right, that's about right. A copy in your.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Hand, that's cool. But you know, we start talking to
seventy five hundred hundred fifty dollars to get access to
a public record video paper, I don't care what it is.
If it's a public record, it's a public record, period,
and we need the mechanisms and functionality in place to
provide those public records to the public. If law requires
(09:09):
from the state that it be redacted or whatever, well
then you know, that's again the horse before the card.
Maybe that should have been worked out before we sprung
it on the public.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
And this was quick, but my understanding this building and
making any committees, you know, as you know, you guys
been around a long time, or weird things happen at
Lambs Duck. Stuff gets tucked into other bills, but this
one seemed to pretty quick.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
It hit yeah. And you know, also something else that
kind of jumped out at me while we were sitting here.
I'm kind of thinking, and I'm going, well, so an
attorney is requesting something for his client, but he's making
money off of that.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Yeah, he's not a YouTuber, Yeah, but that's his business.
And then he'll charge the client for whatever it cost
incurred there. But you got Steve Inman. I tell you,
I love Steve Iman on Twitter. He takes crime videos
people basically when bad guys get what's coming to him. Yeah,
and he's a UFC announcer, so he does UFC announcing
over this. Yeah you know, oh got it dose to
(10:02):
that Edison medicine when they hit him with a stun
gun or something like that. Right, I love that. I
guarantee you he's making money. Steve Enman should be paying
for those videos because he's making money off.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Of Yeah, it's a big it's a big entertainment factor,
no question. But yeah, where do you draw the line?
Like to Brian's point, I guess it's interesting the way
this is I suppose going to play out. But as
of right now, it looks like there's going to be
charges involved, correct, Brian, that's what.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
It looks like, right minim I think seventy five hours
they could charge, they can cap it at seven point fifty. Well, listen,
I all gotta tell you, brother, this is there. This
state is great. There's always something. We always got something
to talk about. So that's something new for twenty five
to keep going back and forth on.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
You got that right, FB, President Lodge and I and
Brian Steele. Brian, thanks for jumping on with us. We
appreciate your man.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Happy New Year, Happy New Year, brothers. Thank you.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
See ya
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