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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a question that some people ask. I think it's
a good question when do threats against the president lead
to arrest. There's a forty seven year old South Carolina
man facing federal charges after he allegedly threatened to kill
President Trump, and he's joining us now.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
He is ABC News.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Law Enforcement contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent Don
Mahollock joined us. Don, welcome again to the show. How
you been brother, good? Yeah, doing good? Thank you and yeah,
great to have you here. So this excuse me is
this is an interesting question that when do threats against
the president lead to arrest. You know, I was talking
(00:41):
to Chuck earlier when we were talking about you coming
up on the show and then this kind of the
subject or whatever, and I said, I thought that any
kind of threat against any president of it was credible
that they're gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But what is the answer to this.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, let's start at the beginning. President Trump last when
he was in office, sees about two thousand threats a year,
and that's about typical for the sitting president. That's not
including other threats to the VP and the other protects
that the Secret Service has. When each one of those
threats comes in. They all get investigated from soup to
nuts because the Secret Service has to determine whether the
(01:17):
threat is actionable and whether the individual poses and imminent threats.
So they conduct those investigations, typically working with local and
state law enforcement agencies and federal agencies to kind of
peel back the onion on an individual to determine whether
they pose a threat or whether the threat is legitimate.
Some of that is based on the Secret Services National
(01:40):
Threat Assessment Center studies which were done back in the
nineties that have been updated. Back then they called the
Exceptional Case Study. They looked at thirty seven assassins and
assassin would be assassins and unpacked what those individuals did
that put them on a path to an assassination. That's
sort of the foundation that the Secret Service works under
when looking at threat cases and what they use to
(02:03):
kind of make a determination whether the individuals pose a
threat or if they don't pose a threat. A lot
of this stuff ends up going into the mental health world,
because you know, you have crazy people that make threats,
people that need a mental health care. Yeah, you've got stay.
Local prisoners sometimes make threats because they think life is
better in a federal prison, so they want to get
charged federally. And then you have the individuals like this
(02:26):
guy in South Carolina who have the means, mode, opportunity,
and intent to conduct a threat and end up in
the federal judicial state or federal judicial system charge you're
threatening the president.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So with this particular one, it looks like according to
this the indictment says, it reads that the guy had
threatened to take the life of to kidnap, and to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.
Whether so in your assessment, like somebody who specifically names
a president by name, not just says I want to
(02:58):
take out the president. I mean, does that even matter
in this situation? And then it's a I would imagine
a long process to find out whether it was legit,
Like did they have a real intent? Were they just
talking off the top of their head where they pissed off?
I mean, was it something where you go you find
some sort of a plan. But it's tough because of
(03:20):
the way the president moves around. It's not like it's
all put out there on a website where you can
see where he's going to be every minute of the day.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right but in reality it doesn't matter where the president
is going to be because in these days, with the
ability to you know, travel, it's pretty easy, right I
any if we can hop on a train. Plan. They
arrested somebody at the White House a couple of months
back who parked his carnex to the White House, had guns,
had a map of the White House complex, ammunition in
the gun, you know, and had a plan and he
(03:49):
was I think in his case it was going to
be more suicide by cop, but his target was to
do it in and around the White House. So you know,
people travel, and in the case of an individual when
he's threat come in, you got to think of it
as a fire drill for the Secret Service because they
have to in rapid succession figure out is the person
posing a threat, what kind of threat are they posing,
(04:11):
and what are we going to do with it? And
that all lines up after a pretty rapid investigation between
the Secret Service with some oversight from its headquarters, the
agent center field and working with their local counterparts because
you have to pull together pretty quickly. And this is
where the information age makes things a little bit easier.
Mental health history, medical history, any law enforcement history, family history,
(04:34):
and work history to build that picture of the individual
and then make a determination based upon what that looks like.
Now you've got some clear cases. Somebody has a rifle,
somebody has ammunition. They say I'm going to go take
out the president. That's pretty clear. Then you've got the
other more opaque ones where the threats are not as clear.
(04:54):
But once you start putting the dots together, you know,
you can figure out that that person posed a threat.
Hink we it was one of those individuals that the
dots weren't put together prior to him shooting Ronald Reagan
because he actually tried to assassinate Carter in Tennessee. Walked
to one of the sites to President Carter with two guns,
ended up getting arrested, and I think at the time
in Tennessee they gave him a fifty dollars ticket when
(05:16):
he tried to get the guns through the airport, sent
him on his way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Man, that is I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I actually did not know the Tennessee counterpart to that story.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, Hankley's director of interest changed from Carter to the
Reagan of course, because he wanted to impress Jody Foster
but his original target was Carter, and he went to
a site with Carter left because of the security umbrella
he saw, tried to go back to the airport to
fly out of Tennessee, got locked up with two guns
(05:51):
in the airport Tennessee at the time, gave him a
fifty dollars ticket and sent him on his way.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
The other thing that I would think too, with this
current president, don is it's it's got to be off
the charts. They got to be working overtime with if
it's based on any kind of you know, if you
take the temperature of the country over these last few years,
and then given the way that this whole election went
and given his you know, when he was forty five,
(06:18):
and I mean all of these things kind of play,
I would think he's going to break records with regard
to threats and you know, credible threats. You said the
average is probably around two thousand I think where you
said at least his first term maybe or something along
those lines. I would think they're working overtime try to,
you know, figure out if these threats have any legitimacy
(06:39):
to them or not.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And it feels like most of them probably do.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah. Well, you know, Mark, it's funny because back when
I started, if you wanted to threaten a president, you
either had to make a phone call or you had
to send a letter. And I was just talking to
one of my buddies back in the day where people
would call the duty desk at the Secret Service office
and make a threat that way. Now, with the computer
and social media, it's easy to send an email, it's
easy to tweet something or you know whatever, put something
(07:04):
on social media, an issue a threat that in of
itself has kicked up the Secret Services threat numbers more
than anything else because the avenue to make threats has
become much easier for people. And you know, if somebody's
having a bad day, they can make a threat, you know,
easily by clicking on their phone. So that in and
of itself has kicked up the threat. And then you
add the political dynamics to it. Multiple reports out there
(07:27):
about the targeting of you know, elected officials, elected leadership.
You know, it's a new world ruin right now, and
a threat matrix is probably higher than we've ever.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Seen it before, right And it sounds like you're alluding
to based on the avenue, is it which you can
make those threats, which might be what's elevating that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, absolutely, we'll think about it. Back in the day,
you had to actually if you want to make a threat,
you had to basically commit to it. You had to
write a letter, mail it, you had to show up
someplace and say something, or you had to you know,
call somebody. Now can pick up your phone, type out
an email. Hits sense.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you're right, it certainly it is easier in this
particular situation.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
The forty seven year old.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So if this this guy could face up to five
years just from what what you know, this this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, well, threatening the president is no light charge. It's
a it's a five up to a five year prison sentence.
And you know, to get to that point, especially with
a federal charge, an individual has to has to have
checked all the boxes for the Secret Service to get
charged like that, because like I said before, you know
a lot of these cases end up with committals to hospitals,
(08:41):
mental health stuff, you know, and then the rest of
it ends up in a criminal justice system. Sometimes it
goes to state rat if there's not enough evidence to
support a federal charge. And then the rest end up
in a federal world. And if this guy is being
charged federally, his threat matrix picked enough that the Secrets
Service was able to get the US Attorney's Office to
(09:02):
prosecute him. So he was legitimate, as they would say
on the street.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Not that you probably would have this information. But I
can't begin to imagine how much money it costs just
to investigate all of these different you know, threats and
so on, with not just the current president but any
of the former presidents. It's got to be staggering millions
and millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, the protective intelligence unbrell of the Secret Service not
only extends to investigating threats for the sitting president and
all the other Secret Service protectees, which now there's forty
one of them, but it also extends to acquiring the
threat intelligence for all the visiting foreignheads of state that
come to visit the US. That's the Secret Service has
to protect. So if you know, if the president of
(09:46):
of you know, another country comes to the US, the
Secret Service has to have the threat intelligence to be
able to adequately protect that individual, to make sure that
they're safe. So there's that individ too. I've been in
situations with fig heads to stay where we get bomb
threats and threats against them, and I'm running around trying
to figure out where the threat is and to stop
the threat against a foreign leader because it's part of
(10:10):
the Secret Services mandate.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Man, it's fascinating, fascinating, I tell you ABC News Law
Enforcement contributor retired Senior Secret Service Agent Don mahallak.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Don, thank you for this fascinating information.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
We appreciate it looking into this the threats against the
president and doesn't lead to arrest.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Thanks for having me on Mark keep up to Van Hallen.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Thanks brother, appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
See you man, I cannot believe out of that entire
conversation that the maximum you're going to do in prison
is five years for threatening the president.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It could probably get trumped up, no pun intended, I bet,
but I think that's a is it?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Did he say maximum?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, he said could serve to five years, five years,
which I just I think that especially if you've got
some young wing nut out there. Okay, so he does
his five years, he gets out, then he goes and
shoots another president.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well no, if well, if there's actual I think it's
going to be. If you threaten, it's written. And then
if you're sitting outside the White House and you've got
a weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And you've got am that's a different matter. That's my point.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
So you're psychotic enough to threaten the president in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, then then whoever?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And you know what, what's his face? They were talking
about that when after Carter and I've never even heard
about that before.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, John Hinckley.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I actually I kind of respect him as a presidential
potential assassin because he wasn't political. He just wanted to
kill a president. He Democrat or Republican, didn't matter to him.
That actually makes more sense to me than somebody who
is so entrenched in their But I would never go
shoot at Clinton or Carter or Obama or Biden. I
(11:55):
just yeah, Carter and Reagan. He said, yeah, you may
have missed that part the Carter pop was but there
wasn't a political ideology there.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That okay, crazy, I can deal with better, And I
can deal with somebody who is so politically stagnant that
they they they force their opinion on somebody else's life
and say, because your politics is different, I believe I
should be able to kill you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I see what you're Yeah, I see what you're saying.
It's like the motive, the motive behind it is what
you're going. Well, look this guy's trying to impress a girl,
you know, and look it all sucks. Don't get me wrong,
but it is an interesting it's an interesting take for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Two thousand threats a year. I think Trump got those
at the inaugur ration.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I was gonna say, I'm like and again he points out,
Don points out fascinating. He points out that the avenues
now that you're able to before when he was on,
he's like you to be really committed, you had to
you know, write a letter or a type of letter
and then mail it and you know, get a stamp
and do all that. And then or you had to
call and specifically get the f b I Office and say,
(13:01):
you know, I'm coming after this.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That kind of a thing.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Now it's just like litually we have learned from you know,
they have all the mass shootings and so forth. High
school kids they get on their Instagram and say I'm
gonna blow the place up. Well, you know, what sometimes
they do, so you better take that stuff serious.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They have to, and I think they look into every
single one of them. Man, that's what I was saying.
Incredibly incredibly expensive
It's a question that some people ask. I think it's
a good question when do threats against the president lead
to arrest. There's a forty seven year old South Carolina
man facing federal charges after he allegedly threatened to kill
President Trump, and he's joining us now.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
He is ABC News.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Law Enforcement contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent Don
Mahollock joined us. Don, welcome again to the show. How
you been brother, good? Yeah, doing good? Thank you and yeah,
great to have you here. So this excuse me is
this is an interesting question that when do threats against
the president lead to arrest. You know, I was talking
(00:41):
to Chuck earlier when we were talking about you coming
up on the show and then this kind of the
subject or whatever, and I said, I thought that any
kind of threat against any president of it was credible
that they're gonna get you.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
But what is the answer to this.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
Well, let's start at the beginning. President Trump last when
he was in office, sees about two thousand threats a year,
and that's about typical for the sitting president. That's not
including other threats to the VP and the other protects
that the Secret Service has. When each one of those
threats comes in. They all get investigated from soup to
nuts because the Secret Service has to determine whether the
(01:17):
threat is actionable and whether the individual poses and imminent threats.
So they conduct those investigations, typically working with local and
state law enforcement agencies and federal agencies to kind of
peel back the onion on an individual to determine whether
they pose a threat or whether the threat is legitimate.
Some of that is based on the Secret Services National
(01:40):
Threat Assessment Center studies which were done back in the
nineties that have been updated. Back then they called the
Exceptional Case Study. They looked at thirty seven assassins and
assassin would be assassins and unpacked what those individuals did
that put them on a path to an assassination. That's
sort of the foundation that the Secret Service works under
when looking at threat cases and what they use to
(02:03):
kind of make a determination whether the individuals pose a
threat or if they don't pose a threat. A lot
of this stuff ends up going into the mental health world,
because you know, you have crazy people that make threats,
people that need a mental health care. Yeah, you've got stay.
Local prisoners sometimes make threats because they think life is
better in a federal prison, so they want to get
charged federally. And then you have the individuals like this
(02:26):
guy in South Carolina who have the means, mode, opportunity,
and intent to conduct a threat and end up in
the federal judicial state or federal judicial system charge you're
threatening the president.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
So with this particular one, it looks like according to
this the indictment says, it reads that the guy had
threatened to take the life of to kidnap, and to
inflict bodily harm upon the President of the United States.
Whether so in your assessment, like somebody who specifically names
a president by name, not just says I want to
(02:58):
take out the president. I mean, does that even matter
in this situation? And then it's a I would imagine
a long process to find out whether it was legit,
Like did they have a real intent? Were they just
talking off the top of their head where they pissed off?
I mean, was it something where you go you find
some sort of a plan. But it's tough because of
(03:20):
the way the president moves around. It's not like it's
all put out there on a website where you can
see where he's going to be every minute of the day.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
Right but in reality it doesn't matter where the president
is going to be because in these days, with the
ability to you know, travel, it's pretty easy, right I
any if we can hop on a train. Plan. They
arrested somebody at the White House a couple of months
back who parked his carnex to the White House, had guns,
had a map of the White House complex, ammunition in
the gun, you know, and had a plan and he
(03:49):
was I think in his case it was going to
be more suicide by cop, but his target was to
do it in and around the White House. So you know,
people travel, and in the case of an individual when
he's threat come in, you got to think of it
as a fire drill for the Secret Service because they
have to in rapid succession figure out is the person
posing a threat, what kind of threat are they posing,
(04:11):
and what are we going to do with it? And
that all lines up after a pretty rapid investigation between
the Secret Service with some oversight from its headquarters, the
agent center field and working with their local counterparts because
you have to pull together pretty quickly. And this is
where the information age makes things a little bit easier.
Mental health history, medical history, any law enforcement history, family history,
(04:34):
and work history to build that picture of the individual
and then make a determination based upon what that looks like.
Now you've got some clear cases. Somebody has a rifle,
somebody has ammunition. They say I'm going to go take
out the president. That's pretty clear. Then you've got the
other more opaque ones where the threats are not as clear.
(04:54):
But once you start putting the dots together, you know,
you can figure out that that person posed a threat.
Hink we it was one of those individuals that the
dots weren't put together prior to him shooting Ronald Reagan
because he actually tried to assassinate Carter in Tennessee. Walked
to one of the sites to President Carter with two guns,
ended up getting arrested, and I think at the time
in Tennessee they gave him a fifty dollars ticket when
(05:16):
he tried to get the guns through the airport, sent
him on his way.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Man, that is I didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
I actually did not know the Tennessee counterpart to that story.
Speaker 2 (05:26):
That's incredibly fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
Yeah, Hankley's director of interest changed from Carter to the
Reagan of course, because he wanted to impress Jody Foster
but his original target was Carter, and he went to
a site with Carter left because of the security umbrella
he saw, tried to go back to the airport to
fly out of Tennessee, got locked up with two guns
(05:51):
in the airport Tennessee at the time, gave him a
fifty dollars ticket and sent him on his way.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
That's fascinating.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
The other thing that I would think too, with this
current president, don is it's it's got to be off
the charts. They got to be working overtime with if
it's based on any kind of you know, if you
take the temperature of the country over these last few years,
and then given the way that this whole election went
and given his you know, when he was forty five,
(06:18):
and I mean all of these things kind of play,
I would think he's going to break records with regard
to threats and you know, credible threats. You said the
average is probably around two thousand I think where you
said at least his first term maybe or something along
those lines. I would think they're working overtime try to,
you know, figure out if these threats have any legitimacy
(06:39):
to them or not.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
And it feels like most of them probably do.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
Yeah. Well, you know, Mark, it's funny because back when
I started, if you wanted to threaten a president, you
either had to make a phone call or you had
to send a letter. And I was just talking to
one of my buddies back in the day where people
would call the duty desk at the Secret Service office
and make a threat that way. Now, with the computer
and social media, it's easy to send an email, it's
easy to tweet something or you know whatever, put something
(07:04):
on social media, an issue a threat that in of
itself has kicked up the Secret Services threat numbers more
than anything else because the avenue to make threats has
become much easier for people. And you know, if somebody's
having a bad day, they can make a threat, you know,
easily by clicking on their phone. So that in and
of itself has kicked up the threat. And then you
add the political dynamics to it. Multiple reports out there
(07:27):
about the targeting of you know, elected officials, elected leadership.
You know, it's a new world ruin right now, and
a threat matrix is probably higher than we've ever.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
Seen it before, right And it sounds like you're alluding
to based on the avenue, is it which you can
make those threats, which might be what's elevating that?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Correct?
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Well, absolutely, we'll think about it. Back in the day,
you had to actually if you want to make a threat,
you had to basically commit to it. You had to
write a letter, mail it, you had to show up
someplace and say something, or you had to you know,
call somebody. Now can pick up your phone, type out
an email. Hits sense.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
Yeah, you're right, it certainly it is easier in this
particular situation.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
The forty seven year old.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
So if this this guy could face up to five
years just from what what you know, this this whole situation.
Speaker 3 (08:20):
Yeah, well, threatening the president is no light charge. It's
a it's a five up to a five year prison sentence.
And you know, to get to that point, especially with
a federal charge, an individual has to has to have
checked all the boxes for the Secret Service to get
charged like that, because like I said before, you know
a lot of these cases end up with committals to hospitals,
(08:41):
mental health stuff, you know, and then the rest of
it ends up in a criminal justice system. Sometimes it
goes to state rat if there's not enough evidence to
support a federal charge. And then the rest end up
in a federal world. And if this guy is being
charged federally, his threat matrix picked enough that the Secrets
Service was able to get the US Attorney's Office to
(09:02):
prosecute him. So he was legitimate, as they would say
on the street.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Not that you probably would have this information. But I
can't begin to imagine how much money it costs just
to investigate all of these different you know, threats and
so on, with not just the current president but any
of the former presidents. It's got to be staggering millions
and millions of dollars.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I would think.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Well, the protective intelligence unbrell of the Secret Service not
only extends to investigating threats for the sitting president and
all the other Secret Service protectees, which now there's forty
one of them, but it also extends to acquiring the
threat intelligence for all the visiting foreignheads of state that
come to visit the US. That's the Secret Service has
to protect. So if you know, if the president of
(09:46):
of you know, another country comes to the US, the
Secret Service has to have the threat intelligence to be
able to adequately protect that individual, to make sure that
they're safe. So there's that individ too. I've been in
situations with fig heads to stay where we get bomb
threats and threats against them, and I'm running around trying
to figure out where the threat is and to stop
the threat against a foreign leader because it's part of
(10:10):
the Secret Services mandate.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Man, it's fascinating, fascinating, I tell you ABC News Law
Enforcement contributor retired Senior Secret Service Agent Don mahallak.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Don, thank you for this fascinating information.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
We appreciate it looking into this the threats against the
president and doesn't lead to arrest.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Thanks for having me on Mark keep up to Van Hallen.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Thanks brother, appreciate that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
See you man, I cannot believe out of that entire
conversation that the maximum you're going to do in prison
is five years for threatening the president.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Well, and I think that's.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
It could probably get trumped up, no pun intended, I bet,
but I think that's a is it?
Speaker 2 (10:51):
Did he say maximum?
Speaker 4 (10:52):
Yeah, he said could serve to five years, five years,
which I just I think that especially if you've got
some young wing nut out there. Okay, so he does
his five years, he gets out, then he goes and
shoots another president.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well no, if well, if there's actual I think it's
going to be. If you threaten, it's written. And then
if you're sitting outside the White House and you've got
a weapon.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
And you've got am that's a different matter. That's my point.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
So you're psychotic enough to threaten the president in the
first place.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Oh yeah, then then whoever?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
And you know what, what's his face? They were talking
about that when after Carter and I've never even heard
about that before.
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Yeah, John Hinckley.
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I actually I kind of respect him as a presidential
potential assassin because he wasn't political. He just wanted to
kill a president. He Democrat or Republican, didn't matter to him.
That actually makes more sense to me than somebody who
is so entrenched in their But I would never go
shoot at Clinton or Carter or Obama or Biden. I
(11:55):
just yeah, Carter and Reagan. He said, yeah, you may
have missed that part the Carter pop was but there
wasn't a political ideology there.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
He's just crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
That okay, crazy, I can deal with better, And I
can deal with somebody who is so politically stagnant that
they they they force their opinion on somebody else's life
and say, because your politics is different, I believe I
should be able to kill you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I see what you're Yeah, I see what you're saying.
It's like the motive, the motive behind it is what
you're going. Well, look this guy's trying to impress a girl,
you know, and look it all sucks. Don't get me wrong,
but it is an interesting it's an interesting take for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:36):
Two thousand threats a year. I think Trump got those
at the inaugur ration.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
I was gonna say, I'm like and again he points out,
Don points out fascinating. He points out that the avenues
now that you're able to before when he was on,
he's like you to be really committed, you had to
you know, write a letter or a type of letter
and then mail it and you know, get a stamp
and do all that. And then or you had to
call and specifically get the f b I Office and say,
(13:01):
you know, I'm coming after this.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That kind of a thing.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Now it's just like litually we have learned from you know,
they have all the mass shootings and so forth. High
school kids they get on their Instagram and say I'm
gonna blow the place up. Well, you know, what sometimes
they do, so you better take that stuff serious.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
They have to, and I think they look into every
single one of them. Man, that's what I was saying.
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