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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Shout out to Taylor and the staff at Men's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Off of Polaris. Yes, I was in there and you
know the All right, let's bring him in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He is.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's host of on Target.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He's also owner of LAPD Firearms and Range over there
on Bethel Road, and also law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But Eric Delbert joining us. Hey, what's up, brother? How
are you?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I am great, but I'm still a little disappointed. I'm
never invited to the bourbon testing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh well, I didn't realize that you wanted to be invited.
I guess I'll I'll, you know what, I will remember
that from now on, though, I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I will.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Sounds like you guys are having a great time. But
everything is great here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's good. That's obviously great to hear. You know.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'd sent you a note when I saw this article
and the articles from yesterday is central Ohio law enforcement
ads drones, civil liberties experts worry about abuse and like,
oh they're experts? Are they civil liberty experts? And isn't
there I don't know. There's always somebody in this situation
(01:08):
who starts complaining and I don't know that is that
the checks and balances? I suppose but you know, I
could see where you know, you get maybe somebody who
is using a drone and you know they're using it
for not such a good purpose. But man, I don't
know how anybody is going to argue if you guys
(01:29):
operate and by you guys, I mean law enforcement. If
you operate within the laws with these emergencies a bird's
eye view of potentially volatile situations, it keeps you guys safe.
Remote controlled cruiser deployable aerial surveillance drones. I mean, is
there a more efficient way in a lot of circumstances
(01:52):
for you guys to.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Police a specific situation.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, it's it's almost like the drone was designed
for you guys.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's been a game changer, honestly. And you know, contrary
to what you know, a lot of the naysayers and
the paper and so forth say, if this isn't a haphazard, hey, guys,
you know, send someone down to buy a drone at
best Buy and we'll get it up tonight. I mean,
it is a very rigorous, you know, policies and procedures
(02:21):
you have to follow. You have to each of the
officers has to pass the FAA part one. Oh, seven licensing.
I mean, there's a lot that goes into it. Let
alone the policies and procedures from that department. You go
through a lot of continuing education to know about Fourth
Amendment concerns. So there's a lot that goes into it.
(02:42):
It's not just you know, hey, we're going to deploy
a couple today. But I'll tell you guys, it's it's
a force multiplier. It's a game changer. And even in
the you know, the little space that I'm in, we've
seen them make a difference.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What what type of things.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I mean they cite in this article Eric potential First
and Fourth Amendment violations as they relate to freedom of
assembly and police searches and so on. You know, I
would figure, let's say, let's say that a law enforcement outfit,
I don't know, I don't even want to name anybody.
(03:20):
Just let's just say they're using this illegally. Let's say
they use a drone illegally. Then anything they obtain from that,
like anything else in court, just gets thrown out correct, right,
And we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And that's why you play within the rules of it,
and you know, there's so much good that comes from it.
What those are you know, individuals are probably talking about,
are you know, running a drone up to someone's house
and looking in the windows, which you just can't do
under most circumstances. Now, just like you know you can't
(03:55):
go to a house and bust through the front door
without a warrant, there are extends the circumstances that can
come into play. So if it's a hostage situation and
somebody's in there and there's a chant of bodily harm
or death, you can run that drone up to the
window to see what's going on to help you in
that moment. But you're not going to do that during
(04:16):
the normal course of patrolling or something like that. And
if that is done within that officer and that department's
gonna have to answer for it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I don't see the argument. I mean, honestly, if the
drone can see it, soaken an officer, so it's in
plane sight, you don't have any fourth amendment of violation there.
An officer can look through your window and see the
gun on the table, just like the drone can't. The
only possible, you know, thing you could argue is maybe
the fact that the drone can fly over your yard
(04:44):
whereas an officer coming onto private property. You might have
a court case with something like that. So but I mean,
you've got a crowd situation. You've got a bunch of
people gathered, it's red, white and boom or something like that.
You've got somebody doing something on you know, two hundred
yards from you through a bunch of people. That drone
gets in the air can track a suspect, where as
(05:04):
an officer can't get there as fast. This is just practical.
It's use of technology to do good things, and the
paranoid people are annoying.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You're absolutely right, Chuck, And you know I've seen it
being used recently for missing people, missing children. It's phenomenal
for that. The other thing too, that a lot of
people probably don't realize, and I had personal experience with
this last year on an accident scene. Unfortunately we had
a fatal accident. And those, as you can imagine, are
very detailed when you do the paperwork for him looking
(05:34):
at skid marks and really making sure that every little
thing is captured. Well, now these drones you can put
up and they take three hundred and sixty degree pictures
and do all the mapping, and it's precise, it has
GPS that's dropped into it. It's really phenomenal. It's taken
that accident reconstruction to the next level and people don't
(05:57):
realize that, but it's something that's extremely valuable.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And a drone over a wooded area with a missing
kid can pick up a heat signature that a cop
would take six hours to find. So, I mean, come on,
that's just practical. Why would you not use.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That one hundred percent? And if it is being used
in a way that's going to trample on someone's you know,
Fourth Amendment, right, so the first minute, then then they'll
be addressed. I mean, we're not out there to do
that looking to do that. I mean, most officers want
these cases to go through. You're not going to do
something to jeopardize it. And so, you know, I think
in the end it'll all wash out. But it's it's
(06:31):
been really good. They're super easy to deploy and you
can do it, you know, on a moment's notice.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is there something that could be illegal that let's say
you guys get wind of, or any law enforcement gets
wind of something going on where there's a wooden privacy
fence but there's a backyard and I don't know, fill
in the blank what could be as far as illegal,
and you deploy a drone to check it out. Are
(06:56):
you Is that something you're not supposed to be doing
because that's property and you're not supposed to be able
to just survey it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, you start to get into a little bit of
a gray area, and it's called like the courtlage of
the property, and you know, the lawyers can can talk
specific on the definitions of those, but there is an
expectation of privacy within a certain parameter of the home.
And you know, it gets really technical on whether the
garage is attached to the home and this and that.
(07:24):
But you're starting to get into that area where it
could be challenged, and so you back off in those
cases and you simply get a warrant. I mean, unless
there's an extenuating circumstance where you know there's an extingent
thing going on where there might be you know, life
or the destruction of evidence or something that allows you
to get in there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
If you see, like if you see the curtains are
open and you can see in a home where there
is a something illegal going on, that's probable cause, isn't
it or that's not at.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That point, I mean it gets touchy. I mean you
really have to, you know, be able to articulate while
you're there in the first place, and you were.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Patrolling, say you were just going by.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, could an officer with binoculars see the same
thing from the street that a drone can see flying
up to the window.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
True, I mean there is valida that and some of
that will play out in court. I mean, you know,
arguably a lot of all the little particular scenarios have
not played out yet, so I'm sure some of that
will eventually over time. But by and large they're used
for the good, and they are being used for the
good right now, and some of that little stuff will
(08:32):
will work its way out.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Do you know a Dublin police sergeant Andrew Clark? Do
you know him?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I do not, Okay, Yeah, he goes on east sided.
In this article, helicopters are expensive, they're noisy, they're hard
to get into certain areas, and that's where drones can benefit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean, that was one of the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Quotes from this And you know, I again, I just
thought when this an article like this ends up in
a mass distributed print, you know, like the dispatch. I
just said, you know what, this is perfect to have
law enforcement on to talk about this and for you
to go you know, hey, you know everybody take it easy,
(09:12):
and also point out kind of the common sense part
of this, which is, if you guys do something illegal
with it, it's going to be inadmissible at.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
That point exactly. And the thing too, guys, I don't
think it's you know, people read this and there and
they immediately go towards you know, oh, there's no parameters
around this, and it's haphazard. But like you know, happens
in law enforcement all the time, there is an immense
amount of training that goes behind this there. I mean,
in everything we do. I mean, our continuing education is
(09:41):
through the roof these days for good for good means.
But you know, there is a lot that goes behind
it and putting the policies and procedures together. Taking the
test is not an easy test. You just don't show
up and pass it. You have to study for it,
knowing a lot of the technicalities of it. So there's
a lot that goes into it to assure the general
public that we're not taking advantage of anyone's rights.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He's Eric Delbert, host of on Target, owner of Labed
Firearms and Range right over there on Bethel Road.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And are you guys, no, you probably are. Are you
preempted Saturday?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, we're preempted this Saturday back on the following Saturday.
But yeah, I'll be down at the OSU game.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh okay, well, very good. Are you gonna be working
or you'll be enjoying or both?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I will be working, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's good Eric, thanks for jumping on, letting your expertise
with this. And stay safe out.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
There, brother, we will.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Thanks, guys, be careful, all right, We'll see you
Shout out to Taylor and the staff at Men's Warehouse.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
Off of Polaris. Yes, I was in there and you
know the All right, let's bring him in.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
He is.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
He's host of on Target.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
He's also owner of LAPD Firearms and Range over there
on Bethel Road, and also law enforcement.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
But Eric Delbert joining us. Hey, what's up, brother? How
are you?
Speaker 4 (00:26):
I am great, but I'm still a little disappointed. I'm
never invited to the bourbon testing.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Oh well, I didn't realize that you wanted to be invited.
I guess I'll I'll, you know what, I will remember
that from now on, though, I'm serious.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I will.
Speaker 4 (00:41):
Sounds like you guys are having a great time. But
everything is great here.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
That's good. That's obviously great to hear. You know.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'd sent you a note when I saw this article
and the articles from yesterday is central Ohio law enforcement
ads drones, civil liberties experts worry about abuse and like,
oh they're experts? Are they civil liberty experts? And isn't
there I don't know. There's always somebody in this situation
(01:08):
who starts complaining and I don't know that is that
the checks and balances? I suppose but you know, I
could see where you know, you get maybe somebody who
is using a drone and you know they're using it
for not such a good purpose. But man, I don't
know how anybody is going to argue if you guys
(01:29):
operate and by you guys, I mean law enforcement. If
you operate within the laws with these emergencies a bird's
eye view of potentially volatile situations, it keeps you guys safe.
Remote controlled cruiser deployable aerial surveillance drones. I mean, is
there a more efficient way in a lot of circumstances
(01:52):
for you guys to.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Police a specific situation.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I mean, it's it's almost like the drone was designed
for you guys.
Speaker 4 (02:01):
It's been a game changer, honestly. And you know, contrary
to what you know, a lot of the naysayers and
the paper and so forth say, if this isn't a haphazard, hey, guys,
you know, send someone down to buy a drone at
best Buy and we'll get it up tonight. I mean,
it is a very rigorous, you know, policies and procedures
(02:21):
you have to follow. You have to each of the
officers has to pass the FAA part one. Oh, seven licensing.
I mean, there's a lot that goes into it. Let
alone the policies and procedures from that department. You go
through a lot of continuing education to know about Fourth
Amendment concerns. So there's a lot that goes into it.
(02:42):
It's not just you know, hey, we're going to deploy
a couple today. But I'll tell you guys, it's it's
a force multiplier. It's a game changer. And even in
the you know, the little space that I'm in, we've
seen them make a difference.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
What what type of things.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
I mean they cite in this article Eric potential First
and Fourth Amendment violations as they relate to freedom of
assembly and police searches and so on. You know, I
would figure, let's say, let's say that a law enforcement outfit,
I don't know, I don't even want to name anybody.
(03:20):
Just let's just say they're using this illegally. Let's say
they use a drone illegally. Then anything they obtain from that,
like anything else in court, just gets thrown out correct, right,
And we know that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
And that's why you play within the rules of it,
and you know, there's so much good that comes from it.
What those are you know, individuals are probably talking about,
are you know, running a drone up to someone's house
and looking in the windows, which you just can't do
under most circumstances. Now, just like you know you can't
(03:55):
go to a house and bust through the front door
without a warrant, there are extends the circumstances that can
come into play. So if it's a hostage situation and
somebody's in there and there's a chant of bodily harm
or death, you can run that drone up to the
window to see what's going on to help you in
that moment. But you're not going to do that during
(04:16):
the normal course of patrolling or something like that. And
if that is done within that officer and that department's
gonna have to answer for it.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
I don't see the argument. I mean, honestly, if the
drone can see it, soaken an officer, so it's in
plane sight, you don't have any fourth amendment of violation there.
An officer can look through your window and see the
gun on the table, just like the drone can't. The
only possible, you know, thing you could argue is maybe
the fact that the drone can fly over your yard
(04:44):
whereas an officer coming onto private property. You might have
a court case with something like that. So but I mean,
you've got a crowd situation. You've got a bunch of
people gathered, it's red, white and boom or something like that.
You've got somebody doing something on you know, two hundred
yards from you through a bunch of people. That drone
gets in the air can track a suspect, where as
(05:04):
an officer can't get there as fast. This is just practical.
It's use of technology to do good things, and the
paranoid people are annoying.
Speaker 4 (05:12):
You're absolutely right, Chuck, And you know I've seen it
being used recently for missing people, missing children. It's phenomenal
for that. The other thing too, that a lot of
people probably don't realize, and I had personal experience with
this last year on an accident scene. Unfortunately we had
a fatal accident. And those, as you can imagine, are
very detailed when you do the paperwork for him looking
(05:34):
at skid marks and really making sure that every little
thing is captured. Well, now these drones you can put
up and they take three hundred and sixty degree pictures
and do all the mapping, and it's precise, it has
GPS that's dropped into it. It's really phenomenal. It's taken
that accident reconstruction to the next level and people don't
(05:57):
realize that, but it's something that's extremely valuable.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
And a drone over a wooded area with a missing
kid can pick up a heat signature that a cop
would take six hours to find. So, I mean, come on,
that's just practical. Why would you not use.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
That one hundred percent? And if it is being used
in a way that's going to trample on someone's you know,
Fourth Amendment, right, so the first minute, then then they'll
be addressed. I mean, we're not out there to do
that looking to do that. I mean, most officers want
these cases to go through. You're not going to do
something to jeopardize it. And so, you know, I think
in the end it'll all wash out. But it's it's
(06:31):
been really good. They're super easy to deploy and you
can do it, you know, on a moment's notice.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Is there something that could be illegal that let's say
you guys get wind of, or any law enforcement gets
wind of something going on where there's a wooden privacy
fence but there's a backyard and I don't know, fill
in the blank what could be as far as illegal,
and you deploy a drone to check it out. Are
(06:56):
you Is that something you're not supposed to be doing
because that's property and you're not supposed to be able
to just survey it.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Yeah, you start to get into a little bit of
a gray area, and it's called like the courtlage of
the property, and you know, the lawyers can can talk
specific on the definitions of those, but there is an
expectation of privacy within a certain parameter of the home.
And you know, it gets really technical on whether the
garage is attached to the home and this and that.
(07:24):
But you're starting to get into that area where it
could be challenged, and so you back off in those
cases and you simply get a warrant. I mean, unless
there's an extenuating circumstance where you know there's an extingent
thing going on where there might be you know, life
or the destruction of evidence or something that allows you
to get in there.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
If you see, like if you see the curtains are
open and you can see in a home where there
is a something illegal going on, that's probable cause, isn't
it or that's not at.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
That point, I mean it gets touchy. I mean you
really have to, you know, be able to articulate while
you're there in the first place, and you were.
Speaker 2 (08:04):
Patrolling, say you were just going by.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
I mean, could an officer with binoculars see the same
thing from the street that a drone can see flying
up to the window.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
True, I mean there is valida that and some of
that will play out in court. I mean, you know,
arguably a lot of all the little particular scenarios have
not played out yet, so I'm sure some of that
will eventually over time. But by and large they're used
for the good, and they are being used for the
good right now, and some of that little stuff will
(08:32):
will work its way out.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Do you know a Dublin police sergeant Andrew Clark? Do
you know him?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
I do not, Okay, Yeah, he goes on east sided.
In this article, helicopters are expensive, they're noisy, they're hard
to get into certain areas, and that's where drones can benefit.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
I mean, that was one of the.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
Quotes from this And you know, I again, I just
thought when this an article like this ends up in
a mass distributed print, you know, like the dispatch. I
just said, you know what, this is perfect to have
law enforcement on to talk about this and for you
to go you know, hey, you know everybody take it easy,
(09:12):
and also point out kind of the common sense part
of this, which is, if you guys do something illegal
with it, it's going to be inadmissible at.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
That point exactly. And the thing too, guys, I don't
think it's you know, people read this and there and
they immediately go towards you know, oh, there's no parameters
around this, and it's haphazard. But like you know, happens
in law enforcement all the time, there is an immense
amount of training that goes behind this there. I mean,
in everything we do. I mean, our continuing education is
(09:41):
through the roof these days for good for good means.
But you know, there is a lot that goes behind
it and putting the policies and procedures together. Taking the
test is not an easy test. You just don't show
up and pass it. You have to study for it,
knowing a lot of the technicalities of it. So there's
a lot that goes into it to assure the general
public that we're not taking advantage of anyone's rights.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
Yeah, yeah, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
He's Eric Delbert, host of on Target, owner of Labed
Firearms and Range right over there on Bethel Road.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
And are you guys, no, you probably are. Are you
preempted Saturday?
Speaker 4 (10:17):
Yeah, we're preempted this Saturday back on the following Saturday.
But yeah, I'll be down at the OSU game.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Oh okay, well, very good. Are you gonna be working
or you'll be enjoying or both?
Speaker 2 (10:29):
I will be working, okay, all right.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
That's good Eric, thanks for jumping on, letting your expertise
with this. And stay safe out.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
There, brother, we will.
Speaker 4 (10:37):
Thanks, guys, be careful, all right, We'll see you
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