June 17, 2024 • 38 mins
Black Caps Great Kyle Mills joins ACC Head G Lane & Manaia Stewart live from Hallensteins on Queen Street to rake over the coals of a disappointing T20 World Cup including where it all went wrong and who we should get in behind now that our team is out (0:00).
Plus Kyle shares a couple of war stories from his playing time including Shane Bond's biggest regret and an ill-fated hunting trip on Heath Streak's farm (25:54)...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, welcome in to the Helenstein's on Queen Street in Auckland,
where it is a great pleasure to welcome in dear
friend of the show, Kyle Mels.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good morning, Kyle. How are you going mate? Very well,
delighted to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, you're a little bit more energetic than j Laan's
this morning, which suggests to me that you didn't get
up at stupid o'clock in the middle of the night
to watch every single ball of what is essentially the
deadest rubber that we've had in a World Cup for
living memory.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Probably. Yeah, I actually think Gelane's looking pretty good condition.
Thanks man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
The best of you ever seen that You've seen me
in some states as well, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look, I wasn't just watching though, was I Mean?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I I were commentating on Sky Sport, so I actually
had to have my wits about me slightly. But what
was most wounding is coming in at ten to two
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's not even early. It's late.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's almost late, you know what I mean. I had
to get up late. Yeah, that's still nighttime. Yeah yeah,
and come in and then be greeted with covers on
the field and rain, So there was an hour and
a bit rain delay at two in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Your commitment was admirable. That is thank you. Look your
Papa New Guinea, the heavyweight of Papua New Guinea. Highlight
of the match.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We'll just cover this match quickly before we go back
to the beginning of this World Cup campaign is pretty
much the only ray of light was Lockie ferguson his
four overs, no runs, three wickets.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
How difficult is that? Four maidens t twenty cricket. That's
what a producers ah. The highlight of the game, twenty
four dot deliveries.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I was thinking that when I saw it this morning,
I was like, I couldn't imagine getting up at you
know what time, did you one thirty whatever it was,
to only then see the covers come on and then
four maiden overs in the of night.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They were exciting maiden overs. I know that's hard, that's
hard for you both to comprehend. But he got a
wicket in his first ball, so it and then it
was a maiden, so it was a wicket maiden.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Who was the better.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I don't know, I recognize any of those was the
opening betsman, I remember that. Look they had a better
batting line up than your gander, give you that. But
then his second over, he got another wicket in his
second over, and he had two wicket maidens. And then
he came he went off and came back bowled another maiden,
and then it was like, okay, can he bowl four maidens?
(02:32):
And then he got a wicket in his fourth over
ani maidens, So it was it was a lot more
exciting than it sounded. And plus yeah, he was bowling heat.
They were like, there was fizzing past these poor guys noses.
They had no idea what swinging as well, swinging, swinging
and bouncing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Hoping it anyway, let's cover that.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But let's go back, Cole, we've got your hare looking
for your kind of expert opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Let's go back to the start. Now.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
New Zealand's campaign kicked off against Afghanistan, and there's been
a lot of talk around the preparation before a tournament
like this. We went in super cold. There's a lot
of barbs.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Being thrown around around the lack of preparation.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
How important is it to have those warm up games
before a tournament.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's vital. I don't know the ins and outs.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I kind of feel like we're a little bit victim
of circumstance because I think we're Our first game was
quite deep into the tournament, a foodline days since I
think once the first game has happened in the tournament,
no one can play any practice games in the event,
So there's I think that's been blown up a little bit,
probably more watching that game.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're really flat.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, I think ten days in Guyana compared to say
ten days in New York would be a difference to that, right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't know if you've been to Guyana, but that
can sort of make you pretty flats.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's pretty much South America, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's the kool Aid. Yeah, it's Jamestown. Yeah, it's quite
a way away. It's the top of South America. Yeah, Chanderpaul, Yeah,
Alvin Kellataran yep.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Nick of the Woods. So not much ado in Guyana.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, ten days, that's quite Whereas if you had ten
days in New York, I think the boys would be alive.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
They'll be vissing yeah, or that'd be dead after ten days.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
On the last. So how do you think they approached it? Then?
Obviously they didn't have time.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Obviously the various commitments around the world were t twenty
competitions meant that the team probably got together but later
than expected.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But in my mind this is how I saw it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Potentially they saw the round robin players their warm ups
in terms of, you know, get Afghanistan out of the
way West Indie is probably the hardest opposition. Then you've
got a couple of minnows and then hit the super
eights running yeah, and then it went horribly wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
We better I for the two minnows the minimum nos first, Yes, yes,
because Afghanistan, and I said to my circle of friends,
they're a banana skin team. On those surfaces and those conditions,
they can be hard work. If they were happened to
get on a roll, and you know, that's the case
of that game was played in New Zealand or Australia,
(04:59):
or South Africa or England, it would be a different
result of the slow surfaces they got on song.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We were exceptionally flat. I don't know if you watched it,
were different.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Conways part time man, not just respect to differentnything.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But he was just he looked rusty behind the stumps and.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The fielding was batwing for now and caught one in
the sternum. I didn't even get to his hands. He
just basically chested it down like luck he was.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
In the euro I know when you were trying to
describe it afterwards, when people like what happened just like
kind of nothing like. We should have probably limped towards
a wind towards the end there, but it just petered out.
And then in the end we had to bash a
bunch to you know, to try and get there. But
I don't know, I just was was the scheduling our
biggest downfall because as soon as we lost that, now
(05:44):
our second game is do or die, like when we're
going against the host nation.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So were we darted a little bit with the draw?
I think?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I think so the draw and what I touched on earlier,
you couldn't play a warm up game after once a
talk as start us. All these factors came into play.
I think we banked on our experience which didn't kind
of come through the IPL.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Most of our guys weren't playing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Only Malty was the only one that was playing consistent
cricket over there. So I think I'm sure they'll do
a review if they would have to go back and
go through what we could have done better, and I
think they would have changed. They would change quite a
few things, just adding to to all this, isn't it
these minnows like Nepau Nelly beats South Africa South Africa?
(06:27):
The other day Scotland pushed Australia a little bit, beat Pakistan,
USA bat pakst isn't it like it's actually kind of
cool for the game. So if we play those teams
over a five day test match, will when all the
time maybe shortened the game?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Everyone comes in.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So the ACC eleven and say a one over game
against any other team.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You could you could have a chance.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well I don't know about that. We're seven. We dropped
eleven catches. The many again that you like traders, we
dropped eleven catches. Okay, that's that's tough.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We know we did. He was there. That is true too.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
We've got one win, but it's got an asterix beside
it because I think we scored two hundred odd for
the loss of fifteen wickets.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, they put us back in again. We've scored so little.
They said, just keep getting and we did and we got.
They put up a good score and then they lost anyway.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But look if Jason Hoyt worked on his running between
the wickets, yes, you just never never know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So it's true.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's where the beauty of T twenty cricket is good.
You're having all these minnow countries coming in, growing the
game and all that pilava is really good.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You look at the Football World Cup.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
We got all these teams now playing out who can
produce upset results.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that is one I think.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
You know, we're a victim of it this this tournament,
losing to Afghanistan, but that is one positive moving forward
there where T twenty cricket has brought these minnows in
and they've got a chance.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well, I suppose US and Pakistan can cry together in
the changing rooms because obviously they were not not favorites,
but they were seeing they're seen as a dangerous TEA
twenty side and for them to get knocked out by
the USA saying something I.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Actually thought they could. You know, it was a all
the way through. Actually, Pakistani one of those teams always
like in the Pakistan cricket team to the French rugby team.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
You could the French rugby team could lose by fifty,
or they could just go on a run in a
given form throwing the port around that and they win
by fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I actually selfishly lost a little bit of money
on Pakistan only because I saw a video clip of
Nathan Lyon saying he thought they were going to win,
and so I just stole that take and I was
telling you right now, I actually think.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Pakistan, I'm probably gonna win this one. Nathan like huge
twenty a lot, made a lot of Tea twenty. He
knows the game and sided out.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Nathan Lyne, Yeah do we Obviously most recently you were
the bowling coach for the Black Cavs. Why I was
talking to Lame about this, We obviously don't produce a
lot of spinners because is that because of the pitchers
that we produce that don't favor spin. And subsequent question,
everyone in the world Afghanistan just did it to us?
(08:59):
Has this like freak spinner out there? Do we need
to doctor a few pictures so that we can breed
a few spinners to take to these kind of tournaments.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah, well, I think you're byproducts of the environment and
you've mard it. We don't have the conditions. We play
on really small ground, so even a park outer oval,
it's a postage stamp. So if you're a spinner that
gets it slightly wrong, yeah, you're met. You can go
to the moon. So we kind of don't have those
conditions that's conducive or encourages those spin bowlers to develop.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And then for the longest time, we've always been like, well,
but when teams come down here, we've got all these
seamers that have been playing here their whole lives, and
so that benefits us.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The problem is now no one's coming down here.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So we're just producing all of these players that have
to go and play and terrible conditions.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I reckon, we need to just doctor up a few pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I don't know how you do it, but and then
and then just encourage a few more spinners because teams
are opening with spinners in this tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Absolutely, But I mean, is it like Kyle you're saying,
is that it's more to do with when you say conditions.
It's actually almost environmental conditions as well, because last summer
the pictures in New Zealand, for the first time in
a long time, took turn.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They did the basin.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, like normally it's a normally it's a green seamer,
hardly spin it, Dan Vatory, just bold armball after armball,
the sic bold medium paced this whole career, and then
all of a sudden this summer, spinnings are going everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well that's right, Well that basin.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I was there for that Basin Test and Nathan Lyon
got fire, Phillips got fifer and this is all the talk.
And I actually told that it's actually always turned to you. Dan,
You just why are you saying this all the time?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But I enjoyed that Test match for that reason.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Our pictures here have become really their belters, even park
they're just really good surfaces, and I think is a
good thing producing these good wickets and good practice surfaces.
But all the pictures around the country have almost become
the same. I feel like Australia is like that as well.
You'd think back to Australia, the whacker was always fast
and bounce, so you swung a little bit at the Gabba.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Seg was a turning wicket.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Adelaide Oval was a bad at parent all these pictures
were really really different. I feel now they've all kind
of become the same and down here in all our
pictures are kind of the same as as well. We
don't have that variety throughout the country for players to
experience different conditions.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Who I don't really know how this works. Who dictates that?
Is that?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Is it the is it the kind of northern districts?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is it? Is it New Zealand cricket? Well?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Who who facilitates and who manages what the pitches are
going to be like?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I don't know. I think the International Games is not
to be any is independent.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So it's up to kJ And and Hamilton or it's
up to Blair and we're in Auckland to produce a
pitch that they think will produce a good game.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I think it's up to the grounds. It's up
to the groundsmen.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, they know their condition's best and they all talk
now they think they meet once a year to have
a conference conference.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The council have a conference.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That sounds all the curators, the curators, some curating their conference,
some sharing of expertise, because I mean you look at
places like the b c c I and when Australia
too are there and some of the some of the
pitch operations that were going over there that completely backfired
(12:20):
on them on a couple of occasions. I was always
wondering who actually yeah to grounds like we want us
this summer.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We want just some good pace that we want some
turn or is it just sense I do what they want?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I'm not comparing the guy that's great.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
How is any other sport like it? Where if you
don't talk about the players? Was this this pitch gets
talked about all this from the lead up to the
to a test match or one day, what's the pitch
likes going to do this and do that? Then the
pitch then the game starts. It's like everyone's got that wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah we didn't pick.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It's the best a sport For hindsight, I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Because we all want to be the guy that knows.
It's like well, look, if it does this, then we
should pack this. Guys like, none of us know. We're
all fucking shitting in the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Day, even the groundsman. Because I'd say the groundsman go
it's turning yeah. He would go up and say, we'd
ask you it's turning yes.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He didn't know that his little tweak has got a
little bit of purchase on EFLs.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What do you take away from the like those two
I'm gonna call them dead rubbers against Uganda and Papa.
If you're a player, even if you're a coach, do
you take anything away from them.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Or do you just sort of get them out of
the way.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think you can, can you? Yes, if a
relatively old team as well. I think there's only one
change from the last World Cup. I saw some article
about that. But what our players are really experienced cricketers.
The younger guy was Finn, who could probably get something
out of it.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
We got a duck today, You've got a duck out
of picking ball and a first ball guy in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I think it was probably more for for those two teams.
Pap you're going to again, probably even though they got
touched up. That's experience playing against a really good side,
but for us, I think will be a painful week
to be hanging around.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, I was going to say that, like, what what
are you thinking going into a dead rubber You're you've
already been knocked out, Like, yeah, I can imagine it'd
be pretty flat in the nets before before those games.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I think the spark would be gone. But yeah, yeah,
a bit of pressure off. But a few guys, I
think Bolty's coming out last few days, so yeah he's done. Yeah, yeah,
a few of those other guys who might keep that
to them over.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Timmy as well, because her come and said this is
my last T twenty World Cup. Yeah, so that's when
you said the last time I'm going to play a
T twenty World Cup.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I've always said, if you're a professional athlete, never retire
because you don't know who's going to throw a contract
that you're down the track, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Who knows when New Zealand cricketers in four years?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah, I didn't think he think he was going to
plan in two years time. I think that was that
was his message and he was happy to go out
with it. But Laura asked the question of him after
the game and see it as at the last time,
will see you with a silver fern on your chest,
and he goes, I can't up to me, to me,
I can't answer that right now.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
So it's a few others like Cain. You know, we're
lucky even that he's a bit older. Be interesting to
see what they do with this T twenty side, Devin
Conway spring Chicken. That's right, there's quite a few there.
So do you pull up starts? Go right, it's got
two years for the next World Cup, so platurns what yeah,
do you do that? Or you try and manage that
(15:26):
a little bit. Give them a couple of those guys around.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, a lot of the headlines this morning are all
gone after Steady. I don't think you can is that
throwing the baby out with the bath order.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think he has enough credits in the bank to
be honest. He's probably one of our most successful coaches
in the history of the game for us. Yeah, you know,
that's what happens in it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You lose. People look for an angles and.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Because I mean, people are going to ask the question
around the different formats and the different coaches, because I
think we're one of the fewer Tier one nations. Who
has one coach across all three formats? Do you think
that's going to be looked at and part of the review.
And they come back from this World Cup.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
You know that's we're a victim of our kind of
environment a little bit when it comes to that gulane,
because you look at England, for example, they play their
cricket and blocks. You got a red ball block and
you have a white ball block, so you can sort
of do that, like I think Bass has been home
for three months and now he goes up to England
next week or the week after to do the test
(16:24):
match block. And Australia is the same. They play in
these blocks, whereas as so we kind of fight for
people to come here and to play. We'll be playing
test matches one week, then we'll squeeze in some T
twenty games, we'll go back to a test match, We'll
go back to white ball cricket, because cricket, I think,
are trying to get games of cricket and don't care
what it is or what format. So then if we've
got different coaches, we've got different coaches bouncing in and
(16:47):
out and the nucleus of our team, it's kind of
the same no matter what format as well, so I
think that would get messy for us. You know, coach
leaving on Sunday morning, a new coach coming to Monday,
and then the following week they're changing back again. I
think that mixed messages. Crickets are temperamental as it is.
Just start again a few messages.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's not the golden bullet because you know, you look
at the top teams like India, Australia, England, South Africa.
You know, you look at those guys and they've got
very regimented.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Seasons.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So every year there's the Boxing Day Tests and the
Sydney Tests in Australia no matter what they're playing. For us,
sometimes we're playing a Test match, sometimes we're playing on
one day, sometimes sometimes Pistan, so we kind of being
pulled and pushed all the time. So it be quite
a hard thing I think to manage. And and England
is the same. They always have this right red ball
(17:39):
cricket time bomb.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah right, okay, well that's the advantage of being able
to sit in the room for the future tours.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Pragum isn't it's three nations. It's in England Australia, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Go right, let's sort said, that's set it up so
it benefits us and only us and disadvantages everyone else. Yeah,
I think we draw a line under this this World
Cup for for now, We're going to take a quick
break and we come back throw line under the underneath
the black Caps at least. But now, as a Warriors fan,
this is all too familiar territory for me. Our team's out.
So who do we jump on board? We'll take a
quick break, We'll come back and discuss that. So I
(18:12):
mentioned before the break, black Caps are gone. We didn't
make it to the Super eight group. Ossies are looking
terrifying as always. Who do we get on to beat
the Aussies going forward and the rest of the tournament
here again, do you think they're the favorites the Australia.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It just pains me even to answer this question. It's
a real struggle for me as well, because God, I
hate them.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I have come out I hate them. I hate all
my Australian friends. You know, I like them, but then
as soon as we play sport, I hate them. And
the worst part is they do look excellent as well.
And Jack, how Jack doestness. Oh he's a beautiful It
is a specimen.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But you're right there. You sort of speak to those
guys and divisually.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I know quite a few of them well and real
good lands, good dudes. But give them together, put.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Them in that yellow jersey. Talk to me. So so
Australia they are clear favorites. They have played.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I mean they got a little bit of a scare
against Silent and not really Stillness came in and just
finished them off.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
India like they the pictures are, the pictures are up
and down.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
This is the first World Cup where I've seen bowlers
on top of the bat for a very long time,
and that's due to the up and down nature of
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
They won in New York as.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
A bit of a firecracker as well, with India defending
one hundred and nineteen. Do you think India's got the
firepowder beat Australia. Is it England who look a bit flat?
Is it South Africa?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I think I can roll out South Africa for some reason.
I think we'll push them to one side.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Were they kind of they're by Rory meckro where they
can't close. They can't even close the divorce anyway, poor.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Raws when we met with you, there's no he can't
even back in his life.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, you can't do these text and when are you
coming off the co have you had too many beers?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And we saw it when he lit that last part
out and lost it. But yeah, he saw the divorce
in the world that I can't do that.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
But yeah, Australia, I think Australia going to be very
very to be But India just on their day, they
can just pull it. They can pull it together and
be very weary of them.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
There'll be ICC's dream one that the Australia India Final
in Barbados in a few weeks time. Do you think
their four A into America has been successful around?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
You know that Texas and New York I do a shame.
The pictures have been shit. Yeah, it would have been
great to have a few high scoring games and really
put on a show over there.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is a big market.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It's someone told me not so long ago that krick
and Foes is where you go to for your cricket
stats and knowledge. The most hits on that website is
from India and the second most is the States. Yeah,
so there's obviously a lot of expats living there, and
to get that traditional American sports fan, I think it's tough.
It'll be tough, but with all the expect community over
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the US, there is a market, and why not spread
the game. That's what that's what the game needs, and
that's why I think you're having the US. You're beating Pakistan.
So yeah, a good thing. Well maybe potentially ICC should
maybe fund a proper stadium, at least in a couple
of them, you know what I mean, because obviously that
pop up in New York, and I think Dallas is
a full time since the one in Dallas, Texas, so
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that was the only year.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's the only hue looked great. Yeah, I look great.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But it just watched a couple of the local league.
They're the US League, and the expect communities out in force.
It's like sellouts at all those games. But yeah, I
don't think that this is like the Las Vegas thing
for the NRL. I just don't think. I've always thought
you've only got room in your brain for cricket or baseball.
It's not both. You can You're never going to be
(21:57):
able to wrap your head around both of them. And
I think that's why New Zealand there's never really adopted baseball,
and I think it's going to be hard to get
those that baseball following.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well I started to get into baseball, and my wife
just sat me down and said, you are not getting
into the sport because because they play like eighty games
in a regulars its a huge amount of games, and
it's just so much content and so much time spent
watching that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I was like, She's like, no, you're not doing it,
even hot dogs and drinking. But I wouldn't mind going
to a few games, so I don't get me wrong.
I'd love to head over to the States and go
to a few of those games.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What about I find the structure of the tournament. I
think I'm just bitter because we're out, but there seems
to be almost too many minnows in the comp to
where there's a lot of sort of meaningless games.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
We've just watched two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Do you think that the four pools with as many
teams as are in the competition is the way for
because you mentioned before, like obviously that does great things
for the game in those countries. I don't know how.
I don't know what the viewing stats are in Uganda
against the Black Cats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I presume they're great.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But do you think maybe the tournament, because in T
twenty you could change the tournament.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Because they're over so quickly. You could get through it
a bit quicker.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We talked about us having to wait nine days before
we play our first game, then we're almost over straight away.
Is there another way that you could structure the tournament
that had made it a bit more interesting?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, perhaps there's a balancing act to that. You're right,
and I see where you're coming from. Perhaps it could
be a pre tournament beforehand where two teams come through.
They get there two weeks beforehand, like you're Ganda, Papa
New Guinea and they didn't they Yeah, they did one
tournament I remember, yeah, something like that. But look, I
(23:36):
remember I hate to go back to my era, but
PAS the Champions Trophy in England and Australia were like
the real deal, you know, all the big boys and stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Buga Dish beat them.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I just remember the saying at the time, oh my god, Dish,
that will never happen to us. Yeah, and then I
think about three years later we lost four mil to
the p BE. Remember I remember that, so these things,
you know, it could be yes, we're not expecting your
gander or part and you're ginning to tip up us
at this time, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And in his time where that could nepoke. They looked
all right, they looked okay. And the Dutch always go
they're always there're going pretty good. And I know they've
got a few ringings with.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
The USA obviously Cory Anderson playing for the USA and
in his twilight.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Years, that's right.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, So I think your question there is a little
bit of a gap between those lower minnows that are there,
and because you're right, you don't want to wake people
to wake up at two in the morning to watch.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, but I suppose that's any tournament as well, like
there are there are a few hidings that the All
Black stretched out and Paul play as well and there
on too, So I guess that is a big part
of it. I just I think it's just the way
it happened to us. That is why I'm why I'm
so bitter. But so I've forgotten who your tip was
India over Australia if it's going.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
To be only because I don't want Australia to win. Yeah, England.
What's your thoughts on England?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
They've a just farted through to the to the Super
eight again. They just got those players like if Butler
lights it up?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, what do you do is Joff Archer? Is he
in the team? Or is he he got three wickets
the other day? Did it be terrifying?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Imagine facing him on those pictures. You don't know where
it's going to hit you in the ankle, yeah, or
the tempoint one that didn't bounce the other day. Yeah,
that would be terrifying. Do I think they've just farted
through because they they got a Scotland have got an
unbeaten record against England because they beat them and then
they've beat them in one and they've got no results
in the rest of them. So they yet to beat
Scotland in a in a World Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Brilliant.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They need to launch another referendum, but we'll take a
quick break when we come back. I want to find
out what happens after a team's eliminated from a competition,
whether they weren't, whether they lose, What does it look
like in the changing rooms afterwards? Are they court sessions
all that kind of stuff, So we'll delve into that
after this. So obviously there'll be no winner's person for
the black Caps this year, unfortunately. But in teams that
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you've been a part of that have won tournaments, what
kind of celebrations go on after the after the competition,
what sort of what sort of stories can you share
with us into a hot microphone from your day has
been involved with the team.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, can you talk us through the limousine from the baseline? Oh, yes,
because that's that's.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Something that people kind of know about and it gets
spread out but no one really knows about.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And it's a bowlers and keep it tradition, isn't.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, it's a wonderful tradition. I think it started funny
enough against Bangladesh. I wasn't playing. It was a few
years before my time in the Adam Prairie era, I think,
and they decided that they'll play for the Bashes, so
they get the baals. I think they actually burnt the
bales from that Testmash called them the bashes. They decided
to set the basin ashes to go up to get
(26:50):
the limousine. Yes, Mount Fact I don't know would have
been manager then maybe Jeff Crow maybe you're in that
era possibly and the only bowler was if you bowled
and over in the game and the keeper went up
and you knows a bit of a party and the
limos smoking.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
For the Gars Australia's body awesome.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
So I can see how it's awesome, a great idea
for a one off, but how it kind of quickly
became a tradition. Yeah, it's kind of beyond me. But's uh,
you know, I came into the environment and that's all
we talked about all week. But we've got to win this.
We're going to win this test. The limit you to
batters trying to sneak an over and to try and
(27:30):
but yeah, awesome tradition, and I understand it. It's still
continues to the state. It must cost the manager like rollers.
I remember Lindsay Crocker a few times. Oh yeah, the
great old one foot was rolled his eyes. Oh you're serious,
We've got to When he'd be like, this is not
a tradition.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's not a tradition, okay, and then like and I
want cigars, we want champagne please.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, So there was always a highlight. But ye're getting
knocked out when your last was always flat. It's just flat.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
And then normally over the subcontinentt is you know, five
or six people in the changing room who the helpers,
you know, asking for you know, to pay off their.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Mortgage, take all your massively. So yeah, and so I.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Mean does everyone come home together or do they people
choose to go elsewhere? Is there a bit of a
golf tournaments.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Always tend to head home or sometimes one of the
best ones.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Just reminded me.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Actually there was a T twenty World Cup in the
West indies'nly enough and we got knocked out to England
in the quarterfinal I think it was, and they went
on to win it Ryan side bottom as your bold
walk side bottom and so we lost. But we had
a tour afterwards to the States and Fort Lauderdale to
play Sri Lanka in two T twenty games. Also we
(28:52):
got knocked out. We had like this window of going
to Fort Lauderdale, Miami.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Oh my god, I hope that was before social media.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
For this story.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Shane Bond retired after the England game and just came home.
What are you doing, Bond? So a Fort Lauderdale staying
at this amazing resort.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think M J.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Was out on the golf course playing golf people and
yeah that was a blast, but and sorry, no facilities
to train you could you couldn't train to the fitness
trying to make us do running laps up and down
the pools, just trying to get the occupied tie up.
(29:38):
So we had this to meet at nine o'clock each
day to do some fitness for a few hours. And
the day was yours for like a week because we've
got no to wait for the tournament to finish.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think Shank and may have gone through deeper into
that tournament. And then they came and is he all
cheering one links of this pool? They have little rum
and cokes at each end of the pool. Yeah, we're
off to the other end. What was what was Shane
Bond think you? I think he regrets it? Yeah, I
regretted on his behalf. He could have just pulled back,
(30:09):
he could Where are you going? Yeah for a week? No, no, no, no, no,
I'll retire after this. Surely you can pull it back.
You ring home and your wife goes You told me
you'd retired. What do you do? Well?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just have to there's only one flight and the
whole team's coming there together, so I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah blah blah blah. They re lying on me.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Because then when the when the trainers like getting the
poll into a few less he's like, I'm retiring.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I'll just be on the soap.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Unfortunately, no court sessions or anything like that after the
after the time.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I remember court sessions and the oh god, you bring
back all these old it's either good or bad for
you or not. The infamous South African World Cup and
so yeah, she may have been we on that tour no.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Two thousand and three. Where was that in South Africa?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
No, definitely and the infamous Christians got knocked out after
the night out at Tiger Tiger.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh no, no, I heard about it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, so we had a court session which was what's
good fun but's and then yeah there was a few
issues at the night time of it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well that's what sends to happen after a court sessue. Yeah,
there's no post planning. It happens afterwards.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think now the post planning is do not go out.
So they usually that's held in the hotel and manager
locks the door.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's what peoples to their room.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I've heard of professional teams that would hire a fleet
of taxis to sit outside, and they had a team
list with players faces, their name, and then their address,
so they don't even have to talk to the player
when they come out of the out of the room.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
They get in the back look in the rear view mirror.
Oh yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, but yeah, none of that gun off of the
black Caps this time around, unfortunately. I reckon that'll just
about do us from Hellenstein's here on Queen Street. Before
we go, though, Lane's got a few questions he'd like
to put you through.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
We ask of our guests.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
It's called twenty two and two, so it's twenty two
questions in two minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Kyle.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's it's rapid fire. So it's just yes or no
or a choice. Okay, So Kyle Mills, this is twenty
two and two.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Coffee or tea? Coffee? Sex or drugs? Sex or drugs?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Sex, hard or fast?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Would you rather wake up ned next to Hamish or
James Marshall? Amosh? What's James?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Would you rather spend an hour watching David Warner replays
of him scoring one hundred or get water boarded by
an ex Navy seal with PTSD.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I have to take davy water might be entertaining, okay, Tye.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Or Indian Indian eat out or dining eat out, Freddy
Mercury or Elton John Freddy wet or dry wet dogs.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Or cats cats?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Travis Kelcey or Taylor Swift, Swifty Grant, Elliott, Heath Davis
and Matthew sink Sinkly.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Who's got the biggest downstairs? Have to be Mathew? What
cricket legend? Would you bring back from the dead? Ah?
Good question. Who's the fellow that got Don Bradman out?
You died? You died on that forever? I would never
clue it should be good, shouldn't we should know that? Jim? Like,
who would you bring back anyone, anyone from the dead? Ah?
(33:25):
The Don? The Don? Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well, if the ceremony to bring back the Don resulted
in you talking like Kevin Peterson for the rest of your.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Life, would you still do it? Have you ever fired
a gun? Yes? Have you ever killed anything bigger than
an insect? Oh? It's a terrible story, but yes. Who
who's the most famous person you've met? Famous? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Like big time famous, you know, like Brad Pitt met
met Derek Jitter No, yeah, oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
He's right, Okay, j Loo, weren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
That was a has been through a few If you
had a reoccurring dream that a snowman killed himself with
a hair dry would you be concerned?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I just don't think so. If you were offered a knighthood,
would you accept it?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
What age do people say they have had a fall
instead of falling over?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Great question in the sixties, I get yeah, have you
ever screamed to anyone? Google me? Motherfucker? If you were
to get it last one, if you were to get.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
A statue made of yourself, what pose would it be
and where would you put the statue? I would not
get a statue made of myself. Can I tell you
what Tim Soudy said? He would be astride a stallion naked,
astride a stallion with it rearing up, and he would
have it in dan Vatory's backyard.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's not surprise.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Any chance we can get the story out of the
thing that you killed us bigger than.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Any I can. We went, we're in We're in some bar.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
I'm not a killer, I'm a lover. And then we're
in Zimbabwe and bull away and we went out to
Heath Streaks Farm to stay for a night, which was awesome.
This was we had been taken over by the government
at the time, and so it's a little bit run down,
but had all these caves you could sleep in and it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Was done up. It was really cool caves. Yeah, man
into like apartment type things. Awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
And then the next that night, so all right, we're
off shooting. We're going to go shoot here rabbit and
wild dogs. Okay, cool, we win in Rome. And then
so we went on this ute. We had this this
fellic called Daniel who was the spotter, and with the
big spotlight.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Out and everyone was in the tuna is like, carle
your turn. Oh great.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
So I jumped on the back of the ute and
we spotted these two eyes looking at me and then right,
that's a wild dog. Not knock them overky, knock them over.
Your beauty all went running down the amp and it
wasn't a wild dog. It was a cat caught a
serval cat like this with big pointy years. I basically
went into the fetal position byself, shake it because I
(36:11):
love I said before, I love cats. And then I
crawled into the back of the ute just like this,
and then so I just felt awful. Daniel Vettory every
time he goes to the zoo, he would like take
a picture of the serve.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But the next such an asshole, Such an asshole.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
The next day we wake up Billy and Heath Streek
was driving us back to bull Away and the two
Marshall idiots.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
In the back with them running through, and I had to.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Tell Street because he didn't come out with us what
happened because the guy, see, you better tell Streaky. And
so I'm like very nervous, hearts going how do I
deal with this? And then one of the Marshalls boys said, hey, Streaky,
have you ever heard of a cat got a serval?
Streaky answers, oh, majestic. They're just majestic. They don't come
through that often, but when they do, we're just love it.
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And I'm just dying, just die, because back in the day,
I think Americans will fly into Blue Away, pay ten
thousand years to go hunt these things down, will take
two weeks to try and track one down, and took
me two minutes that night, And so I told Streak
he is like, oh okay, mate, don't worry about it
and got back and Brace has told me I should
(37:21):
get it some Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'm not walking through the stuff servile.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, so to answered that question, okay, yeah, something bigger
than an that's the I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I thought it was I thought it was going to
get worse now. I thought Heath Street was going to
say it was his pets. Yeah, that he raised from
Is that Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Jimmy brilliant?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well, thank you very much for coming down to Helenstein's Kyle,
enjoy the rest of the T twenty World Cup. I'm
sure we'll have you on later on down the track
chairs mate, Thank you.
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Speaker 1 (00:20):
Well, welcome in to the Helenstein's on Queen Street in Auckland,
where it is a great pleasure to welcome in dear
friend of the show, Kyle Mels.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Good morning, Kyle. How are you going mate? Very well,
delighted to be here.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
Yeah, you're a little bit more energetic than j Laan's
this morning, which suggests to me that you didn't get
up at stupid o'clock in the middle of the night
to watch every single ball of what is essentially the
deadest rubber that we've had in a World Cup for
living memory.
Speaker 2 (00:44):
Probably. Yeah, I actually think Gelane's looking pretty good condition.
Thanks man.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
The best of you ever seen that You've seen me
in some states as well, Kyle.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
Look, I wasn't just watching though, was I Mean?
Speaker 4 (00:55):
I I were commentating on Sky Sport, so I actually
had to have my wits about me slightly. But what
was most wounding is coming in at ten to two
in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
That's not even early. It's late.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
It's almost late, you know what I mean. I had
to get up late. Yeah, that's still nighttime. Yeah yeah,
and come in and then be greeted with covers on
the field and rain, So there was an hour and
a bit rain delay at two in the morning.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Your commitment was admirable. That is thank you. Look your
Papa New Guinea, the heavyweight of Papua New Guinea. Highlight
of the match.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
We'll just cover this match quickly before we go back
to the beginning of this World Cup campaign is pretty
much the only ray of light was Lockie ferguson his
four overs, no runs, three wickets.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
How difficult is that? Four maidens t twenty cricket. That's
what a producers ah. The highlight of the game, twenty
four dot deliveries.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I was thinking that when I saw it this morning,
I was like, I couldn't imagine getting up at you
know what time, did you one thirty whatever it was,
to only then see the covers come on and then
four maiden overs in the of night.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
They were exciting maiden overs. I know that's hard, that's
hard for you both to comprehend. But he got a
wicket in his first ball, so it and then it
was a maiden, so it was a wicket maiden.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Who was the better.
Speaker 4 (02:12):
I don't know, I recognize any of those was the
opening betsman, I remember that. Look they had a better
batting line up than your gander, give you that. But
then his second over, he got another wicket in his
second over, and he had two wicket maidens. And then
he came he went off and came back bowled another maiden,
and then it was like, okay, can he bowl four maidens?
(02:32):
And then he got a wicket in his fourth over
ani maidens, So it was it was a lot more
exciting than it sounded. And plus yeah, he was bowling heat.
They were like, there was fizzing past these poor guys noses.
They had no idea what swinging as well, swinging, swinging
and bouncing.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Hoping it anyway, let's cover that.
Speaker 4 (02:47):
But let's go back, Cole, we've got your hare looking
for your kind of expert opinion.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Let's go back to the start. Now.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
New Zealand's campaign kicked off against Afghanistan, and there's been
a lot of talk around the preparation before a tournament
like this. We went in super cold. There's a lot
of barbs.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Being thrown around around the lack of preparation.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
How important is it to have those warm up games
before a tournament.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, it's vital. I don't know the ins and outs.
Speaker 5 (03:18):
I kind of feel like we're a little bit victim
of circumstance because I think we're Our first game was
quite deep into the tournament, a foodline days since I
think once the first game has happened in the tournament,
no one can play any practice games in the event,
So there's I think that's been blown up a little bit,
probably more watching that game.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
We're really flat.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Yeah, I think ten days in Guyana compared to say
ten days in New York would be a difference to that, right.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I don't know if you've been to Guyana, but that
can sort of make you pretty flats.
Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's pretty much South America, isn't it.
Speaker 5 (03:49):
It's the kool Aid. Yeah, it's Jamestown. Yeah, it's quite
a way away. It's the top of South America. Yeah, Chanderpaul, Yeah,
Alvin Kellataran yep.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Nick of the Woods. So not much ado in Guyana.
Speaker 5 (04:02):
Yeah, ten days, that's quite Whereas if you had ten
days in New York, I think the boys would be alive.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
They'll be vissing yeah, or that'd be dead after ten days.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
On the last. So how do you think they approached it? Then?
Obviously they didn't have time.
Speaker 4 (04:16):
Obviously the various commitments around the world were t twenty
competitions meant that the team probably got together but later
than expected.
Speaker 2 (04:23):
But in my mind this is how I saw it.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Potentially they saw the round robin players their warm ups
in terms of, you know, get Afghanistan out of the
way West Indie is probably the hardest opposition. Then you've
got a couple of minnows and then hit the super
eights running yeah, and then it went horribly wrong.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
We better I for the two minnows the minimum nos first, Yes, yes,
because Afghanistan, and I said to my circle of friends,
they're a banana skin team. On those surfaces and those conditions,
they can be hard work. If they were happened to
get on a roll, and you know, that's the case
of that game was played in New Zealand or Australia,
(04:59):
or South Africa or England, it would be a different
result of the slow surfaces they got on song.
Speaker 2 (05:05):
We were exceptionally flat. I don't know if you watched it,
were different.
Speaker 5 (05:09):
Conways part time man, not just respect to differentnything.
Speaker 2 (05:13):
But he was just he looked rusty behind the stumps and.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
The fielding was batwing for now and caught one in
the sternum. I didn't even get to his hands. He
just basically chested it down like luck he was.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
In the euro I know when you were trying to
describe it afterwards, when people like what happened just like
kind of nothing like. We should have probably limped towards
a wind towards the end there, but it just petered out.
And then in the end we had to bash a
bunch to you know, to try and get there. But
I don't know, I just was was the scheduling our
biggest downfall because as soon as we lost that, now
(05:44):
our second game is do or die, like when we're
going against the host nation.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
So were we darted a little bit with the draw?
I think?
Speaker 5 (05:51):
I think so the draw and what I touched on earlier,
you couldn't play a warm up game after once a
talk as start us. All these factors came into play.
I think we banked on our experience which didn't kind
of come through the IPL.
Speaker 2 (06:05):
Most of our guys weren't playing.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
Only Malty was the only one that was playing consistent
cricket over there. So I think I'm sure they'll do
a review if they would have to go back and
go through what we could have done better, and I
think they would have changed. They would change quite a
few things, just adding to to all this, isn't it
these minnows like Nepau Nelly beats South Africa South Africa?
(06:27):
The other day Scotland pushed Australia a little bit, beat Pakistan,
USA bat pakst isn't it like it's actually kind of
cool for the game. So if we play those teams
over a five day test match, will when all the
time maybe shortened the game?
Speaker 2 (06:42):
Everyone comes in.
Speaker 5 (06:43):
So the ACC eleven and say a one over game
against any other team.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
You could you could have a chance.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
Well I don't know about that. We're seven. We dropped
eleven catches. The many again that you like traders, we
dropped eleven catches. Okay, that's that's tough.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
We know we did. He was there. That is true too.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
We've got one win, but it's got an asterix beside
it because I think we scored two hundred odd for
the loss of fifteen wickets.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
Yeah, they put us back in again. We've scored so little.
They said, just keep getting and we did and we got.
They put up a good score and then they lost anyway.
Speaker 5 (07:18):
But look if Jason Hoyt worked on his running between
the wickets, yes, you just never never know.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
So it's true.
Speaker 5 (07:23):
That's where the beauty of T twenty cricket is good.
You're having all these minnow countries coming in, growing the
game and all that pilava is really good.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
You look at the Football World Cup.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
We got all these teams now playing out who can
produce upset results.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that is one I think.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
You know, we're a victim of it this this tournament,
losing to Afghanistan, but that is one positive moving forward
there where T twenty cricket has brought these minnows in
and they've got a chance.
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
Well, I suppose US and Pakistan can cry together in
the changing rooms because obviously they were not not favorites,
but they were seeing they're seen as a dangerous TEA
twenty side and for them to get knocked out by
the USA saying something I.
Speaker 5 (08:01):
Actually thought they could. You know, it was a all
the way through. Actually, Pakistani one of those teams always
like in the Pakistan cricket team to the French rugby team.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
You just don't know what you're going to get.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
You could the French rugby team could lose by fifty,
or they could just go on a run in a
given form throwing the port around that and they win
by fifty.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Yeah, I actually selfishly lost a little bit of money
on Pakistan only because I saw a video clip of
Nathan Lyon saying he thought they were going to win,
and so I just stole that take and I was
telling you right now, I actually think.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
Pakistan, I'm probably gonna win this one. Nathan like huge
twenty a lot, made a lot of Tea twenty. He
knows the game and sided out.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
Nathan Lyne, Yeah do we Obviously most recently you were
the bowling coach for the Black Cavs. Why I was
talking to Lame about this, We obviously don't produce a
lot of spinners because is that because of the pitchers
that we produce that don't favor spin. And subsequent question,
everyone in the world Afghanistan just did it to us?
(08:59):
Has this like freak spinner out there? Do we need
to doctor a few pictures so that we can breed
a few spinners to take to these kind of tournaments.
Speaker 5 (09:07):
Yeah, well, I think you're byproducts of the environment and
you've mard it. We don't have the conditions. We play
on really small ground, so even a park outer oval,
it's a postage stamp. So if you're a spinner that
gets it slightly wrong, yeah, you're met. You can go
to the moon. So we kind of don't have those
conditions that's conducive or encourages those spin bowlers to develop.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
And then for the longest time, we've always been like, well,
but when teams come down here, we've got all these
seamers that have been playing here their whole lives, and
so that benefits us.
Speaker 2 (09:38):
The problem is now no one's coming down here.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
So we're just producing all of these players that have
to go and play and terrible conditions.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
I reckon, we need to just doctor up a few pictures.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I don't know how you do it, but and then
and then just encourage a few more spinners because teams
are opening with spinners in this tournament.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
Absolutely, But I mean, is it like Kyle you're saying,
is that it's more to do with when you say conditions.
It's actually almost environmental conditions as well, because last summer
the pictures in New Zealand, for the first time in
a long time, took turn.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
They did the basin.
Speaker 4 (10:08):
Yeah, like normally it's a normally it's a green seamer,
hardly spin it, Dan Vatory, just bold armball after armball,
the sic bold medium paced this whole career, and then
all of a sudden this summer, spinnings are going everywhere.
Speaker 2 (10:20):
Yeah, well that's right, Well that basin.
Speaker 5 (10:22):
I was there for that Basin Test and Nathan Lyon
got fire, Phillips got fifer and this is all the talk.
And I actually told that it's actually always turned to you. Dan,
You just why are you saying this all the time?
Speaker 2 (10:37):
But I enjoyed that Test match for that reason.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
Our pictures here have become really their belters, even park
they're just really good surfaces, and I think is a
good thing producing these good wickets and good practice surfaces.
But all the pictures around the country have almost become
the same. I feel like Australia is like that as well.
You'd think back to Australia, the whacker was always fast
and bounce, so you swung a little bit at the Gabba.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Seg was a turning wicket.
Speaker 5 (11:04):
Adelaide Oval was a bad at parent all these pictures
were really really different. I feel now they've all kind
of become the same and down here in all our
pictures are kind of the same as as well. We
don't have that variety throughout the country for players to
experience different conditions.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Who I don't really know how this works. Who dictates that?
Is that?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
Is it the is it the kind of northern districts?
Speaker 2 (11:26):
Is it? Is it New Zealand cricket? Well?
Speaker 4 (11:28):
Who who facilitates and who manages what the pitches are
going to be like?
Speaker 5 (11:32):
I don't know. I think the International Games is not
to be any is independent.
Speaker 4 (11:38):
So it's up to kJ And and Hamilton or it's
up to Blair and we're in Auckland to produce a
pitch that they think will produce a good game.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Yeah, I think it's up to the grounds. It's up
to the groundsmen.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
Well, they know their condition's best and they all talk
now they think they meet once a year to have
a conference conference.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
The council have a conference.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
That sounds all the curators, the curators, some curating their conference,
some sharing of expertise, because I mean you look at
places like the b c c I and when Australia
too are there and some of the some of the
pitch operations that were going over there that completely backfired
(12:20):
on them on a couple of occasions. I was always
wondering who actually yeah to grounds like we want us
this summer.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
We want just some good pace that we want some
turn or is it just sense I do what they want?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Yeah, I'm not comparing the guy that's great.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
I love it.
Speaker 5 (12:39):
How is any other sport like it? Where if you
don't talk about the players? Was this this pitch gets
talked about all this from the lead up to the
to a test match or one day, what's the pitch
likes going to do this and do that? Then the
pitch then the game starts. It's like everyone's got that wrong.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
Yeah we didn't pick.
Speaker 5 (13:01):
It's the best a sport For hindsight, I think, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:06):
Because we all want to be the guy that knows.
It's like well, look, if it does this, then we
should pack this. Guys like, none of us know. We're
all fucking shitting in the.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Day, even the groundsman. Because I'd say the groundsman go
it's turning yeah. He would go up and say, we'd
ask you it's turning yes.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
He didn't know that his little tweak has got a
little bit of purchase on EFLs.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
What do you take away from the like those two
I'm gonna call them dead rubbers against Uganda and Papa.
If you're a player, even if you're a coach, do
you take anything away from them.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Or do you just sort of get them out of
the way.
Speaker 5 (13:36):
I don't think you can, can you? Yes, if a
relatively old team as well. I think there's only one
change from the last World Cup. I saw some article
about that. But what our players are really experienced cricketers.
The younger guy was Finn, who could probably get something
out of it.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
We got a duck today, You've got a duck out
of picking ball and a first ball guy in the tournament.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
I think it was probably more for for those two teams.
Pap you're going to again, probably even though they got
touched up. That's experience playing against a really good side,
but for us, I think will be a painful week
to be hanging around.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Yeah, I was going to say that, like, what what
are you thinking going into a dead rubber You're you've
already been knocked out, Like, yeah, I can imagine it'd
be pretty flat in the nets before before those games.
Speaker 5 (14:19):
Yeah, I think the spark would be gone. But yeah, yeah,
a bit of pressure off. But a few guys, I
think Bolty's coming out last few days, so yeah he's done. Yeah, yeah,
a few of those other guys who might keep that
to them over.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Timmy as well, because her come and said this is
my last T twenty World Cup. Yeah, so that's when
you said the last time I'm going to play a
T twenty World Cup.
Speaker 1 (14:42):
I've always said, if you're a professional athlete, never retire
because you don't know who's going to throw a contract
that you're down the track, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Who knows when New Zealand cricketers in four years?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
Yeah, I didn't think he think he was going to
plan in two years time. I think that was that
was his message and he was happy to go out
with it. But Laura asked the question of him after
the game and see it as at the last time,
will see you with a silver fern on your chest,
and he goes, I can't up to me, to me,
I can't answer that right now.
Speaker 5 (15:06):
So it's a few others like Cain. You know, we're
lucky even that he's a bit older. Be interesting to
see what they do with this T twenty side, Devin
Conway spring Chicken. That's right, there's quite a few there.
So do you pull up starts? Go right, it's got
two years for the next World Cup, so platurns what yeah,
do you do that? Or you try and manage that
(15:26):
a little bit. Give them a couple of those guys around.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Yeah, a lot of the headlines this morning are all
gone after Steady. I don't think you can is that
throwing the baby out with the bath order.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I think he has enough credits in the bank to
be honest. He's probably one of our most successful coaches
in the history of the game for us. Yeah, you know,
that's what happens in it.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
You lose. People look for an angles and.
Speaker 4 (15:49):
Because I mean, people are going to ask the question
around the different formats and the different coaches, because I
think we're one of the fewer Tier one nations. Who
has one coach across all three formats? Do you think
that's going to be looked at and part of the review.
And they come back from this World Cup.
Speaker 5 (16:04):
You know that's we're a victim of our kind of
environment a little bit when it comes to that gulane,
because you look at England, for example, they play their
cricket and blocks. You got a red ball block and
you have a white ball block, so you can sort
of do that, like I think Bass has been home
for three months and now he goes up to England
next week or the week after to do the test
(16:24):
match block. And Australia is the same. They play in
these blocks, whereas as so we kind of fight for
people to come here and to play. We'll be playing
test matches one week, then we'll squeeze in some T
twenty games, we'll go back to a test match, We'll
go back to white ball cricket, because cricket, I think,
are trying to get games of cricket and don't care
what it is or what format. So then if we've
got different coaches, we've got different coaches bouncing in and
(16:47):
out and the nucleus of our team, it's kind of
the same no matter what format as well, so I
think that would get messy for us. You know, coach
leaving on Sunday morning, a new coach coming to Monday,
and then the following week they're changing back again. I
think that mixed messages. Crickets are temperamental as it is.
Just start again a few messages.
Speaker 4 (17:08):
It's not the golden bullet because you know, you look
at the top teams like India, Australia, England, South Africa.
You know, you look at those guys and they've got
very regimented.
Speaker 2 (17:18):
Seasons.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
So every year there's the Boxing Day Tests and the
Sydney Tests in Australia no matter what they're playing. For us,
sometimes we're playing a Test match, sometimes we're playing on
one day, sometimes sometimes Pistan, so we kind of being
pulled and pushed all the time. So it be quite
a hard thing I think to manage. And and England
is the same. They always have this right red ball
(17:39):
cricket time bomb.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Yeah right, okay, well that's the advantage of being able
to sit in the room for the future tours.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Pragum isn't it's three nations. It's in England Australia, and you.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Go right, let's sort said, that's set it up so
it benefits us and only us and disadvantages everyone else. Yeah,
I think we draw a line under this this World
Cup for for now, We're going to take a quick
break and we come back throw line under the underneath
the black Caps at least. But now, as a Warriors fan,
this is all too familiar territory for me. Our team's out.
So who do we jump on board? We'll take a
quick break, We'll come back and discuss that. So I
(18:12):
mentioned before the break, black Caps are gone. We didn't
make it to the Super eight group. Ossies are looking
terrifying as always. Who do we get on to beat
the Aussies going forward and the rest of the tournament
here again, do you think they're the favorites the Australia.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
It just pains me even to answer this question. It's
a real struggle for me as well, because God, I
hate them.
Speaker 4 (18:35):
I have come out I hate them. I hate all
my Australian friends. You know, I like them, but then
as soon as we play sport, I hate them. And
the worst part is they do look excellent as well.
And Jack, how Jack doestness. Oh he's a beautiful It
is a specimen.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
But you're right there. You sort of speak to those
guys and divisually.
Speaker 5 (18:52):
I know quite a few of them well and real
good lands, good dudes. But give them together, put.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
Them in that yellow jersey. Talk to me. So so
Australia they are clear favorites. They have played.
Speaker 4 (19:06):
I mean they got a little bit of a scare
against Silent and not really Stillness came in and just
finished them off.
Speaker 2 (19:13):
India like they the pictures are, the pictures are up
and down.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
This is the first World Cup where I've seen bowlers
on top of the bat for a very long time,
and that's due to the up and down nature of
the pitch.
Speaker 2 (19:24):
They won in New York as.
Speaker 4 (19:25):
A bit of a firecracker as well, with India defending
one hundred and nineteen. Do you think India's got the
firepowder beat Australia. Is it England who look a bit flat?
Is it South Africa?
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (19:37):
I think I can roll out South Africa for some reason.
I think we'll push them to one side.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Were they kind of they're by Rory meckro where they
can't close. They can't even close the divorce anyway, poor.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
Raws when we met with you, there's no he can't
even back in his life.
Speaker 4 (19:57):
Yeah, you can't do these text and when are you
coming off the co have you had too many beers?
Speaker 2 (20:02):
And we saw it when he lit that last part
out and lost it. But yeah, he saw the divorce
in the world that I can't do that.
Speaker 5 (20:08):
But yeah, Australia, I think Australia going to be very
very to be But India just on their day, they
can just pull it. They can pull it together and
be very weary of them.
Speaker 4 (20:25):
There'll be ICC's dream one that the Australia India Final
in Barbados in a few weeks time. Do you think
their four A into America has been successful around?
Speaker 5 (20:36):
You know that Texas and New York I do a shame.
The pictures have been shit. Yeah, it would have been
great to have a few high scoring games and really
put on a show over there.
Speaker 2 (20:47):
It is a big market.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
It's someone told me not so long ago that krick
and Foes is where you go to for your cricket
stats and knowledge. The most hits on that website is
from India and the second most is the States. Yeah,
so there's obviously a lot of expats living there, and
to get that traditional American sports fan, I think it's tough.
It'll be tough, but with all the expect community over
(21:11):
the US, there is a market, and why not spread
the game. That's what that's what the game needs, and
that's why I think you're having the US. You're beating Pakistan.
So yeah, a good thing. Well maybe potentially ICC should
maybe fund a proper stadium, at least in a couple
of them, you know what I mean, because obviously that
pop up in New York, and I think Dallas is
a full time since the one in Dallas, Texas, so
(21:33):
that was the only year.
Speaker 2 (21:34):
That's the only hue looked great. Yeah, I look great.
Speaker 1 (21:36):
But it just watched a couple of the local league.
They're the US League, and the expect communities out in force.
It's like sellouts at all those games. But yeah, I
don't think that this is like the Las Vegas thing
for the NRL. I just don't think. I've always thought
you've only got room in your brain for cricket or baseball.
It's not both. You can You're never going to be
(21:57):
able to wrap your head around both of them. And
I think that's why New Zealand there's never really adopted baseball,
and I think it's going to be hard to get
those that baseball following.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (22:05):
Well I started to get into baseball, and my wife
just sat me down and said, you are not getting
into the sport because because they play like eighty games
in a regulars its a huge amount of games, and
it's just so much content and so much time spent
watching that.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
I was like, She's like, no, you're not doing it,
even hot dogs and drinking. But I wouldn't mind going
to a few games, so I don't get me wrong.
I'd love to head over to the States and go
to a few of those games.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
What about I find the structure of the tournament. I
think I'm just bitter because we're out, but there seems
to be almost too many minnows in the comp to
where there's a lot of sort of meaningless games.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
We've just watched two of them.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Do you think that the four pools with as many
teams as are in the competition is the way for
because you mentioned before, like obviously that does great things
for the game in those countries. I don't know how.
I don't know what the viewing stats are in Uganda
against the Black Cats.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
I presume they're great.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
But do you think maybe the tournament, because in T
twenty you could change the tournament.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
Because they're over so quickly. You could get through it
a bit quicker.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
We talked about us having to wait nine days before
we play our first game, then we're almost over straight away.
Is there another way that you could structure the tournament
that had made it a bit more interesting?
Speaker 5 (23:15):
Yeah, perhaps there's a balancing act to that. You're right,
and I see where you're coming from. Perhaps it could
be a pre tournament beforehand where two teams come through.
They get there two weeks beforehand, like you're Ganda, Papa
New Guinea and they didn't they Yeah, they did one
tournament I remember, yeah, something like that. But look, I
(23:36):
remember I hate to go back to my era, but
PAS the Champions Trophy in England and Australia were like
the real deal, you know, all the big boys and stuff, and.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
Buga Dish beat them.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
I just remember the saying at the time, oh my god, Dish,
that will never happen to us. Yeah, and then I
think about three years later we lost four mil to
the p BE. Remember I remember that, so these things,
you know, it could be yes, we're not expecting your
gander or part and you're ginning to tip up us
at this time, but who knows.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And in his time where that could nepoke. They looked
all right, they looked okay. And the Dutch always go
they're always there're going pretty good. And I know they've
got a few ringings with.
Speaker 4 (24:20):
The USA obviously Cory Anderson playing for the USA and
in his twilight.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Years, that's right.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
Yeah, So I think your question there is a little
bit of a gap between those lower minnows that are there,
and because you're right, you don't want to wake people
to wake up at two in the morning to watch.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, but I suppose that's any tournament as well, like
there are there are a few hidings that the All
Black stretched out and Paul play as well and there
on too, So I guess that is a big part
of it. I just I think it's just the way
it happened to us. That is why I'm why I'm
so bitter. But so I've forgotten who your tip was
India over Australia if it's going.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
To be only because I don't want Australia to win. Yeah, England.
What's your thoughts on England?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
They've a just farted through to the to the Super
eight again. They just got those players like if Butler
lights it up?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
Yeah, what do you do is Joff Archer? Is he
in the team? Or is he he got three wickets
the other day? Did it be terrifying?
Speaker 4 (25:16):
Imagine facing him on those pictures. You don't know where
it's going to hit you in the ankle, yeah, or
the tempoint one that didn't bounce the other day. Yeah,
that would be terrifying. Do I think they've just farted
through because they they got a Scotland have got an
unbeaten record against England because they beat them and then
they've beat them in one and they've got no results
in the rest of them. So they yet to beat
Scotland in a in a World Cup.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Brilliant.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
They need to launch another referendum, but we'll take a
quick break when we come back. I want to find
out what happens after a team's eliminated from a competition,
whether they weren't, whether they lose, What does it look
like in the changing rooms afterwards? Are they court sessions
all that kind of stuff, So we'll delve into that
after this. So obviously there'll be no winner's person for
the black Caps this year, unfortunately. But in teams that
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you've been a part of that have won tournaments, what
kind of celebrations go on after the after the competition,
what sort of what sort of stories can you share
with us into a hot microphone from your day has
been involved with the team.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Well, can you talk us through the limousine from the baseline? Oh, yes,
because that's that's.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
Something that people kind of know about and it gets
spread out but no one really knows about.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
And it's a bowlers and keep it tradition, isn't.
Speaker 5 (26:27):
Yeah, it's a wonderful tradition. I think it started funny
enough against Bangladesh. I wasn't playing. It was a few
years before my time in the Adam Prairie era, I think,
and they decided that they'll play for the Bashes, so
they get the baals. I think they actually burnt the
bales from that Testmash called them the bashes. They decided
to set the basin ashes to go up to get
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the limousine. Yes, Mount Fact I don't know would have
been manager then maybe Jeff Crow maybe you're in that
era possibly and the only bowler was if you bowled
and over in the game and the keeper went up
and you knows a bit of a party and the
limos smoking.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
For the Gars Australia's body awesome.
Speaker 5 (27:06):
So I can see how it's awesome, a great idea
for a one off, but how it kind of quickly
became a tradition. Yeah, it's kind of beyond me. But's uh,
you know, I came into the environment and that's all
we talked about all week. But we've got to win this.
We're going to win this test. The limit you to
batters trying to sneak an over and to try and
(27:30):
but yeah, awesome tradition, and I understand it. It's still
continues to the state. It must cost the manager like rollers.
I remember Lindsay Crocker a few times. Oh yeah, the
great old one foot was rolled his eyes. Oh you're serious,
We've got to When he'd be like, this is not
a tradition.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
It's not a tradition, okay, and then like and I
want cigars, we want champagne please.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, So there was always a highlight. But ye're getting
knocked out when your last was always flat. It's just flat.
Speaker 5 (28:00):
And then normally over the subcontinentt is you know, five
or six people in the changing room who the helpers,
you know, asking for you know, to pay off their.
Speaker 2 (28:07):
Mortgage, take all your massively. So yeah, and so I.
Speaker 4 (28:17):
Mean does everyone come home together or do they people
choose to go elsewhere? Is there a bit of a
golf tournaments.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
Always tend to head home or sometimes one of the
best ones.
Speaker 2 (28:28):
Just reminded me.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
Actually there was a T twenty World Cup in the
West indies'nly enough and we got knocked out to England
in the quarterfinal I think it was, and they went
on to win it Ryan side bottom as your bold
walk side bottom and so we lost. But we had
a tour afterwards to the States and Fort Lauderdale to
play Sri Lanka in two T twenty games. Also we
(28:52):
got knocked out. We had like this window of going
to Fort Lauderdale, Miami.
Speaker 4 (28:58):
Oh my god, I hope that was before social media.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
For this story.
Speaker 5 (29:03):
Shane Bond retired after the England game and just came home.
What are you doing, Bond? So a Fort Lauderdale staying
at this amazing resort.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
I think M J.
Speaker 5 (29:15):
Was out on the golf course playing golf people and
yeah that was a blast, but and sorry, no facilities
to train you could you couldn't train to the fitness
trying to make us do running laps up and down
the pools, just trying to get the occupied tie up.
(29:38):
So we had this to meet at nine o'clock each
day to do some fitness for a few hours. And
the day was yours for like a week because we've
got no to wait for the tournament to finish.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
I think Shank and may have gone through deeper into
that tournament. And then they came and is he all
cheering one links of this pool? They have little rum
and cokes at each end of the pool. Yeah, we're
off to the other end. What was what was Shane
Bond think you? I think he regrets it? Yeah, I
regretted on his behalf. He could have just pulled back,
(30:09):
he could Where are you going? Yeah for a week? No, no, no, no, no,
I'll retire after this. Surely you can pull it back.
You ring home and your wife goes You told me
you'd retired. What do you do? Well?
Speaker 1 (30:18):
I just have to there's only one flight and the
whole team's coming there together, so I'm going to have to.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah blah blah blah. They re lying on me.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Because then when the when the trainers like getting the
poll into a few less he's like, I'm retiring.
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I'll just be on the soap.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Unfortunately, no court sessions or anything like that after the
after the time.
Speaker 5 (30:37):
I remember court sessions and the oh god, you bring
back all these old it's either good or bad for
you or not. The infamous South African World Cup and
so yeah, she may have been we on that tour no.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Two thousand and three. Where was that in South Africa?
Speaker 5 (30:54):
No, definitely and the infamous Christians got knocked out after
the night out at Tiger Tiger.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Oh no, no, I heard about it. Yeah.
Speaker 5 (31:02):
Yeah, so we had a court session which was what's
good fun but's and then yeah there was a few
issues at the night time of it.
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Well that's what sends to happen after a court sessue. Yeah,
there's no post planning. It happens afterwards.
Speaker 4 (31:15):
I think now the post planning is do not go out.
So they usually that's held in the hotel and manager
locks the door.
Speaker 2 (31:22):
That's what peoples to their room.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
I've heard of professional teams that would hire a fleet
of taxis to sit outside, and they had a team
list with players faces, their name, and then their address,
so they don't even have to talk to the player
when they come out of the out of the room.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
They get in the back look in the rear view mirror.
Oh yeah, that's uh.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Yeah, but yeah, none of that gun off of the
black Caps this time around, unfortunately. I reckon that'll just
about do us from Hellenstein's here on Queen Street. Before
we go, though, Lane's got a few questions he'd like
to put you through.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
We ask of our guests.
Speaker 4 (31:55):
It's called twenty two and two, so it's twenty two
questions in two minutes.
Speaker 2 (31:58):
Kyle.
Speaker 4 (32:00):
It's it's rapid fire. So it's just yes or no
or a choice. Okay, So Kyle Mills, this is twenty
two and two.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Coffee or tea? Coffee? Sex or drugs? Sex or drugs?
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Sex, hard or fast?
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Would you rather wake up ned next to Hamish or
James Marshall? Amosh? What's James?
Speaker 4 (32:26):
Would you rather spend an hour watching David Warner replays
of him scoring one hundred or get water boarded by
an ex Navy seal with PTSD.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
I have to take davy water might be entertaining, okay, Tye.
Speaker 4 (32:41):
Or Indian Indian eat out or dining eat out, Freddy
Mercury or Elton John Freddy wet or dry wet dogs.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Or cats cats?
Speaker 4 (32:53):
Travis Kelcey or Taylor Swift, Swifty Grant, Elliott, Heath Davis
and Matthew sink Sinkly.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Who's got the biggest downstairs? Have to be Mathew? What
cricket legend? Would you bring back from the dead? Ah?
Good question. Who's the fellow that got Don Bradman out?
You died? You died on that forever? I would never
clue it should be good, shouldn't we should know that? Jim? Like,
who would you bring back anyone, anyone from the dead? Ah?
(33:25):
The Don? The Don? Okay?
Speaker 4 (33:27):
Well, if the ceremony to bring back the Don resulted
in you talking like Kevin Peterson for the rest of your.
Speaker 2 (33:32):
Life, would you still do it? Have you ever fired
a gun? Yes? Have you ever killed anything bigger than
an insect? Oh? It's a terrible story, but yes. Who
who's the most famous person you've met? Famous? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:49):
Like big time famous, you know, like Brad Pitt met
met Derek Jitter No, yeah, oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
He's right, Okay, j Loo, weren't they? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (34:01):
That was a has been through a few If you
had a reoccurring dream that a snowman killed himself with
a hair dry would you be concerned?
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I just don't think so. If you were offered a knighthood,
would you accept it?
Speaker 4 (34:17):
What age do people say they have had a fall
instead of falling over?
Speaker 2 (34:24):
Great question in the sixties, I get yeah, have you
ever screamed to anyone? Google me? Motherfucker? If you were
to get it last one, if you were to get.
Speaker 4 (34:37):
A statue made of yourself, what pose would it be
and where would you put the statue? I would not
get a statue made of myself. Can I tell you
what Tim Soudy said? He would be astride a stallion naked,
astride a stallion with it rearing up, and he would
have it in dan Vatory's backyard.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
That's not surprise.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Any chance we can get the story out of the
thing that you killed us bigger than.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
Any I can. We went, we're in We're in some bar.
Speaker 5 (35:09):
I'm not a killer, I'm a lover. And then we're
in Zimbabwe and bull away and we went out to
Heath Streaks Farm to stay for a night, which was awesome.
This was we had been taken over by the government
at the time, and so it's a little bit run down,
but had all these caves you could sleep in and it.
Speaker 2 (35:26):
Was done up. It was really cool caves. Yeah, man
into like apartment type things. Awesome.
Speaker 5 (35:31):
And then the next that night, so all right, we're
off shooting. We're going to go shoot here rabbit and
wild dogs. Okay, cool, we win in Rome. And then
so we went on this ute. We had this this
fellic called Daniel who was the spotter, and with the
big spotlight.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
Out and everyone was in the tuna is like, carle
your turn. Oh great.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
So I jumped on the back of the ute and
we spotted these two eyes looking at me and then right,
that's a wild dog. Not knock them overky, knock them over.
Your beauty all went running down the amp and it
wasn't a wild dog. It was a cat caught a
serval cat like this with big pointy years. I basically
went into the fetal position byself, shake it because I
(36:11):
love I said before, I love cats. And then I
crawled into the back of the ute just like this,
and then so I just felt awful. Daniel Vettory every
time he goes to the zoo, he would like take
a picture of the serve.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
But the next such an asshole, Such an asshole.
Speaker 5 (36:30):
The next day we wake up Billy and Heath Streek
was driving us back to bull Away and the two
Marshall idiots.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
In the back with them running through, and I had to.
Speaker 5 (36:40):
Tell Street because he didn't come out with us what
happened because the guy, see, you better tell Streaky. And
so I'm like very nervous, hearts going how do I
deal with this? And then one of the Marshalls boys said, hey, Streaky,
have you ever heard of a cat got a serval?
Streaky answers, oh, majestic. They're just majestic. They don't come
through that often, but when they do, we're just love it.
(37:00):
And I'm just dying, just die, because back in the day,
I think Americans will fly into Blue Away, pay ten
thousand years to go hunt these things down, will take
two weeks to try and track one down, and took
me two minutes that night, And so I told Streak
he is like, oh okay, mate, don't worry about it
and got back and Brace has told me I should
(37:21):
get it some Texas.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
I'm not walking through the stuff servile.
Speaker 5 (37:31):
Yeah, so to answered that question, okay, yeah, something bigger
than an that's the I mean.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
I thought it was I thought it was going to
get worse now. I thought Heath Street was going to
say it was his pets. Yeah, that he raised from
Is that Jimmy.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Jimmy brilliant?
Speaker 1 (37:49):
Well, thank you very much for coming down to Helenstein's Kyle,
enjoy the rest of the T twenty World Cup. I'm
sure we'll have you on later on down the track
chairs mate, Thank you.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
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