Tony Robbins: Force of Nature

Tony Robbins has a packed resume: he's a bestselling author, entrepreneur, philanthropist and renowned motivational speaker. In addition to being a self-help titan, Robbins has advised presidents and star athletes, and is involved in 31 businesses which he says generate annual sales of $5 billion. He joins Katie and Brian to discuss his difficult childhood, his remarkable career, his new book, and how President Trump's leadership style compares to President Obama's. Plus, he explains why he jumps into a cold pool every morning and demonstrates some "radical explosive breathing" exercises.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hi, Brian, Katie. You know a lot of people are
called a force of nature, but when it comes to
our guest today, I think that really fits Tony Robbins.
I mean talk about sucking all the oxygen out of
the room in a good way. He is bigger than
life in every sense. He's like six seven, he's maybe

(00:22):
two fifty pounds of pure bodybuilding. He makes me feel
like less of a man than anyone with whom I've
ever spoken, But he's extraordinary and for somebody who grew
up watching him do infomercials, it's interesting to see how
his career is evolved to being kind of an elite
coach to CEOs, even presidency the United States. I mean,

(00:42):
he's a best selling author, he's an entrepreneur, he's a philanthropist,
and given his childhood, it's fascinating how that really motivated
him to achieve everything he's done, which makes us feel
like pikers pretty much, right, Brian, Yeah, I'm a real
under a che in comparison, But as you'll hear in

(01:03):
the interview, he grew up under some pretty tough circumstances
and overcame quite a lot. Never went to college, self taught,
became a guru to everybody, from Bill Clinton to Mark
Bennioff to mother Teresa. I can't believe everything. He's a
chief Ryan at fifty seven, and there's still so much
more he wants to do. And I don't know about you,

(01:25):
I have no doubt that he will do it. And
in addition to being a self help titan, he's involved
in thirty one businesses. He generates annual sales, he says,
in excess of five billion dollars. He's built an empire.
So here's Tony Robbins. And by the way, he's a
very enthusiastic guest. So that sound you here is Tony's hands,

(01:48):
his big hands hitting the table here, no subjects there
hitting the table for emphasis. So you're not crazy if
you hear that. Thank you for stopping by our little studio.
It's my pleasure. And Brian is here with me, and
we were talking about your extraordinary career. I mean, I

(02:12):
don't know, how how do you describe yourself because I
know how your press materials do. I'm a you know,
I'm a peak performance coach. I'm a consultant for people,
but you know I'm also an entrepreneur and philanthropist. You know,
big part of my life today is besides helping people
and events and things of that nature, I have thirty
one companies, so they're in very different industries. You know,

(02:32):
I'm everything from I have a unique opportunity to do
some some of the best stem cell work in the world.
While simultaneously we've got virtual reality, the exclusive with the NBA,
so you know, you see Monday Night Football, We're having
Tuesday Night NBA. We have the exclusive with Live Nation,
so we have I have about twelve Dred employees across
four continents. We do five billion in sales each year.
And then I have my jay job, which is about

(02:54):
of my time because I love it so much, which
is helping people improve their lives. And then philanthropy wise,
you know, I'm feeding a hundred million people a year now.
I've done that for two years in a row. I'm
gonna feed a billion people over the next eight years.
And it's not because I'm such a good guy. It's
just when I was eleven years old, we had no
money and no food on Thanksgiving and a man came
to the door and delivered food and my father did
not respond well to it. But I did. My dad

(03:16):
always said, strangers don't care. And I think the biggest
impact for me was not just that there was food,
but the fact that I had evidence of strangers cared
about my family and made me. It shifted me to
really care about strangers. So I promised myself I'd feed people,
and I got to seventeen. I've had two families in
the next year, four and eventually got to a million,
two million, And I've fed four million people a year
for about eight years, and then two million myself and

(03:38):
two millions to my foundation because I thought I fed
forty two million in a lifetime. What if I had
fifty million this year? And then I got excited, made
it a hundred million, and I got Feeding America to
be my partner, and they deliver. I mean, their efficiency
is amazing. So we've partnered, so we're gonna feed a
billion people, and then the numbers were getting should provide
an ongoing hundred million new meals per year ongoing from

(03:58):
there on. Can I just say I give up? I
feel so lazy and useless after just hearing that, I think, wow,
this is really impressive. Now, you talked about growing up
in a tough environment and you did. Your dad left,
as I understand, when you were very had four fathers, Yes,

(04:19):
they all left. Your mom was quite abusive. In fact,
you left home when you were seventeen when your mom
came after you with a knife. Can you describe how
that upbringing kind of shaped the man you've become since then?
I never talked about my mom when she's alive. I didn't,
you know. I still love her to this day. She
she had been the mother that I wanted her to be,
I wouldn't be the man I'm proud to be because

(04:40):
the fact that I suffered so much, I mean she would.
She was addicted to you know, prescription drugs and alcohol,
and the mixed is not a good mix. And she
got very violent. And I have a younger brother and
younger sister five and seven years younger. So for me,
I had to become a practical psychologist just to figure
out to keep her in control, not hurt them much
less hurt me. And so I really really grew as

(05:02):
a result of that. I mean, I have suffered so
much that I don't want to see any human suffer.
And I became obsessed with finding answers to how to
help people and their suffering, how to have them have
the beauty that they want for their life. And it
just turned into a forty year enterprise. Uh, you know,
and I've had the privilege of living in a time
where you know, I go to twelve thirteen countries a year,
I see a quarter of a million people live. I mean,

(05:23):
you couldn't have done that, you know, fifty years ago,
you know, Tony, you know, I think that kind of
childhood experience would have destroyed so many people. What was
it about you and about sort of your psyche, your constitution,
your outlook on life that you were able to turn
it into something so positive. I'm sure you've examined that.

(05:44):
I have. I think that what saved me was reading
my I early in my life I got exposed to
personal improvement and personal development, and I took a speed
reading class, and I promised myself I'd read a book
of dad and do that. But I read seven hundred
books in seven years, and they were all psychology, physiology,
anything that could improve the quality of life. And so
because I was feeding my mind so much, I think

(06:06):
that really gave it. The other part was I just
love people, and so you know, I love my brother
and sister. To start with, I just want to help them.
But by the time I was in high school, I
would I had so many answers. I was Mr. Solution
you had a problem, especially if you're a girl. I
was highly to help you get over that stupid boy
in your life you were. I have such strong memories
as a kid watching your infomercials on TV. That's how

(06:29):
I first got introduced to you. That's Brian's way of
reminding us how young he is. I'm not so young.
I'm practically middle aged now, but practically. But the point is,
I think a lot of people who may have gotten
introduced to you that way don't know that you've become
this advisor to CEOs like Mark Bennie Off and Paul

(06:49):
Tutor Jones, that you've advised Richard Branson, Steve wins, Serena Williams,
pat Riley On and on. How is your career kind
of gone from you know, TV self improvement guru to
advisor to the CEO stars. Well, I was always even
early my life. Quite frankly, I was a young kid,
but I had unique insights because I had loaded my brain.

(07:13):
You know, I'd gone for so many answers that I
had them. I didn't have all the life experience yet,
but I had this incredible passion to help people, and
so it allowed me at early age, I was turning around.
You know, when I was gosh Hose, I was twenty
let's say the eighteen nineteen nineteen, twenty years old. I
was turning around Olympic athletes. Twenty four. I turned around
Andrea Agassi when he'd been number one and dropped to

(07:33):
twenty nine, and got him back to number one, and
he gave me enormous credit. Maybe too much, maybe not,
but I helped him turn around either, I'm grateful. And
then you know when I got to the President Clinton
at that stage, and mother Teresa and Nelson Mandela at
the game James Dropper, No, I have a name dropping
because they were just such incredible human beings that I
got the privilege to coach. I was pinching myself. But

(07:55):
I also wasn't stupid enough to only coach them. I
was learning from them. So for forty years I've not
just been coaching others thinking I got all the answers.
I've been sucking the juice out of the brains of
the smartest people I can find and most heartfelt people
I could find doing the same thing I did with
the financial And I said, if I want to, really,
I've taught this for years, but I was so angry
what happened in two thousand eight and that no one

(08:15):
paid a price for it that by I said, I
got to use my skill. I've got. I have this
unique gift I've coached Paul Tutor Jones for at that point,
I think twenty years and twenty four years and now
one of the leading investment managers went to uv A
with me, and I asked him after many years after
we graduated, Hey, Paul, where were you when I was
at u v A thinking, you know, that would have

(08:35):
been a nice person to hook up with it you
know what I'm saying. And he said said to me,
I was probably drunk, And I said, no, wonder we
didn't meet. But anyway, continue well, Paul, as you know,
as a gift to this country and a gift to
the city for sure, with Robin Hood and all that
he's done, and I've learned so much from him. But
but that's really what I've tried to do along the way,
as I've tried to learn by other people's experiences, because

(08:57):
you know, in business, other people's money is leverage. I
think what's much more valuable in other people's money is
other people's experience. When that other person's experiences dynamic and extraordinary,
you know, it's wild. So really, in helping them, they're
helping you. They all tell about Tony changed my life,
saved my life. You know, you bring Mark Banning off
some one of my dearest friends. And I can remember
Mark coming up to me after attending three seminars are

(09:18):
always hard to miss. He's standing in the front row.
He's as big as I am. Right, he comes up
and shakes my hand. He goes, this is my third seminar.
I said, yeah, I know, he says. He goes, you
just convinced me. You finally pushed me off the edge.
And he says, I'm I'm leaving my job and I'm
gonna start this new company called Salesforce dot com and
we're gonna change the business world, and you're gonna remember,
and you're gonna come on the journey with me. And
he goes, I'll everyday he looked at me. He goes,

(09:39):
Mark my words, we're gonna do a hundred million dollars
in business. Of course they're gonna do ten billion this year, right,
So it's just a fun journey to see those things.
But he says, if this is my favorite quote because
it certainly serves me, goes around and tells everybody Salesforce
wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Tony Robbins. That's bullshit.
But I really like that he says it. But I
think what people may have trouble understanding is, you know,

(10:01):
you're sitting down with President Bill Clinton during the height
of the depths of the Lewinsky scandal, and he's looking
to you for advice. What can you tell him that
he doesn't already know the truth? Um, I was with
Peter Goober. I don't know if you know Peter owns
the Dodgers and the Golden State Warriors and no, but
his partner dated used the two. We don't want to

(10:24):
spread that rumor you can get in trouble his wife.
But I was at Peter's house that was you spend
every Christmas with him and AskMen. And he calls me
and says, presidents on the line. So what So I
got a line. The President said, you know, I've had
ten people tell me that right now, I'm going through
a tough time. You're the right guy. Would you come
to Camp David and spend the weekend and talk with me?
And I said, I can't come for the weekend and
come for the day because this holiday I gotta be

(10:45):
with my family. But I said, I just want you
to know I'm not a fan. And Peter, I'll never
get Peter's face. I said, I'm completely respectful. It would
be a privilege to serve you. But if you're looking
for someone who's going to tell you what you want
to hear, I'm the wrong guy. And there's a long pause,
and then President Clinton said, I like that. I'm looking
for something. I'm not looking to be told what I believe.
I said, great, then I'm happy to come. I don't

(11:05):
the phone in Peterson. You just told the President Nited
states you're not as fan. I have to invite to come.
What the how's the matter with you? You know? So
I went met with the President and developed a real
great friendship. But I can remember after the Blue Dress
we were an AskMen together and going down the Red
Mountain if you know that area, you know, and it's
snowy and there it's surreal. You know, the President's motorcade
in the middle of the night, going down this icy
mountaintop and he said to me, goes, he said, you know, god,

(11:27):
I'd run again if I could. And I was like, dude,
if I were you, I'd get the hell out of
dodge us teasing him, and he goes, no time, what
am I gonna do with the rest of my life.
I'm fifty or fifty one whatever he was at the time,
And uh, it's kind of crazy now because I just
saw him last weekend and just to see what he's
done with his life. I know he's obviously massively disappointed
what happened in the election, but to see what he's
done out of office is truly inspiring. It's inspiring that

(11:51):
you can't imagine. But to address what you said, I
was thirty one and I'm advising the president nited states.
It's kind of trippy. I'm you know, a deer went
running by. It's in the middle of the snow, and
the President's telling me how bad the media is. It's
so funny you tell me at that time and they
don't listen. And you know, he's the first president that
doesn't have an external enemy, so now everybody's turning internally,
was his view. I remember thinking, this guy's president United

(12:11):
States and he's whining, and it's like, I guess we
all whine at times. And I got to figure out
what to do to help this man and long term relationship, well,
I don't talk about what I do with people unless
they talk about it publicly. Something I can tell you
is one day, one of the more interesting calls I got,
can call me. One day I was at my office,
people paid me and I get him the phone and
he says, they're gonna impeach me in the morning. What

(12:32):
should I do? And I'm like, first, could you have
called me sooner? Yes, tomorrow morning, right? And I said,
that's the wrong question. And the question you gotta ask
is what do you really want? Because what to do
is based on the outcome you're after. If you want
to stay in office, do nothing because the Senate's not
gonna impeach you. Easy for me to say, I'm not
the president under pressure, but you know as well as
I do, they're not gonna teach you. I said, so

(12:53):
you can do nothing. If you want to be respected
then by American people, by children, by parents. Then I said,
I know you're not gonna put yourself You're a lawyer,
you're not gonna put yourself in jail. But you've got
to communicate with more clarity about what's really going on
and take responsibility for the things that were a mess up.
And I had this moment where he said, you're so right,
You're so right. So I'm so glad I called you said,

(13:14):
I'll call you back. I'm gonna call you back in
forty five minutes, and I thought, holy shit, I'd influenced
the president move in the right direction, right what I
could through the right direction. And then his secretary called
me about thirty minutes later. He's still with the group,
but he wants to know he's focused on it. In
about three hours called at the time at four hours later,
he was stadding, with all the Democrats, you know, and
they're saying, you know, this is all bullshit and we're
gonna fight this thing. But so I've had some wild rides.

(13:36):
I've had a chance to sit down with Mr Gorbachoff,
you know, right after you know, he was taken out
of office, and spend time and bring him. I've I've
had a ticket to history and it's been an incredible
privilege and I've learned so much, and I try to
take that and make it practical for the average person
so they can prove their life or you know, the
leader that calls when it's time to interm intervene. Just
on the on the President Clinton front. You got to

(13:57):
know Hillary Clinton well as well? Have you have my
Trump as well? Yeah, well we'll get to that in
a moment. But one of the things I thought about
was Monica Lewinsky. I saw her not long ago in
Los Angeles, and I always felt that she had I mean,
I was going to say she got the short end
of the stick, and then I just realized that I'm

(14:21):
sorry that I was. I was searching. I was searching
Alec Baldwin and Donald Trump apression so unfairly and I
you know, and and so villainized, and she was. You know,
I have a daughter who's twenty one years old, Tony,
and I think about she, Well, you know, she's a kid,

(14:41):
she's a college girl, and I felt like she was
she made a mistake but also taking advantage of in
a very serious way. Did you ever think about her
or reaching out to her? Actually, um, I've reached out
all the time on something there, like I reached out
to Tiger Woods. Actually, probably a dozen people reached out
for for me to Dagger Woods, but he got in
motors like I don't want to help, and he didn't

(15:03):
do it. So Um, as far as her, I didn't
reach out her directly, but I always let people know
that I'm available, and I work with people on both
sides of the aisle. I'm an independent personally. I worked
with whoever I think is a great leader. Um, but
you know she's the kind of person if you know
her and want to invite her. I'm doing an event.
I think she's based in l A now is and
she years if she wants to come. I'm doing one
for ten thousand people in two weeks and she could

(15:24):
come as our guests and would blow her mind. I
can promise you that. So if she wants, if you
want invite her as my guests, will do it. But
it's interesting, europe psychology expert, you're clearly really great at
leadership coaching, but you never went to college. There's no
formal training for this. You said you've learned from the
people with whom you've had these discussions. But what do

(15:44):
you think you offer? What is the value add when
somebody's sitting across the table from you besides telling them
the truth? Well, I'm I've spent forty years now at
this stage where I've gotten the call and I got
to produce the result. Now, Serena Williams is melting down
on that sal television. What do I do? I should
gone through all these problems turn around right now? Um,

(16:04):
you know kids suicidal, knock on wood. I've never lost
one suicide in forty years out of thousands. So my
whole approach has been how do I just really deliver
results for people? And what every area it is, whether
it be sports or would be business. And you know,
I've been obsessed with finding principles that are the best
principles from find like somebody's been together twenty five years
and they're still passionate for each other, not just hanging out.

(16:26):
They're not lucky. They do things differently than other people.
If you're fit and you've stayed fit for thirty years,
you're not lucky. You're doing something different. If you're financially
set and you've started with nothing and you've built it
that you're not lucky. You did something different. So I
codify what that difference is. But then I put it
into a delivery system that's so enjoyable that you love
while you're learning, and so as a result, you tend

(16:47):
to really apply it because there's more emotion to it.
You know, information without emotions not retained. If I said,
do you remember where you were on nine eleven, everybody
in this country, in fact, most countries know where they
were when they heard it. They can describe where they were,
who was around them they saw. But I ask you
where you are on eight eleven, you have no clue
because information without emotion is not retained. What I do
is I put people in states, psychological emotional states where

(17:10):
what they learned they feel it, they embed it, they
experience it, and they live it. And because they live it,
they get results. And then that's grown my brand and
reputation for fourty years. You're also almost telepathic, you know,
I watched the documentary, and when you have a huge
crowd of people, you can almost you do and feel them.
You can zero in on the person who really seems

(17:31):
to need your help. It's almost like the Long Island
medium with shorter nails. How you do that? How do
you do that? Well, I'm extremely empathetic and and if
you know anything about the human brain, we have these
things called mirror neurons, whereas if you're sitting there and
you watch somebody going rowing by, and you keep watching them,
your brain will actually start to do their rowing and

(17:52):
your nervous system right. And the more empathetic you are,
the more your mirror neurons tend to turn on. So
mine are highly developed for forty years to enter someone's world,
rapidly feel who they are. And then I have so
many you know, there's only so many patterns, right, There's
there's only so many ways. We're the only creatures on
earth that can make ourselves angry with one thought, happy
with another, piste off another, excited with another. And so

(18:16):
I've studied the system of how the brain works, and
so there are not unlimited differences, and so I know
what to do. There's only so many patterns. But I
do it different every time because it's more enjoyable. It's
like a piece of art when somebody stands up, it's done.
I know it's done. Now, let's just see how it
shows up and be different every time. Now, not to
be a bitchy skeptic, but you know, I would say
that most of the people who come to your seminars,

(18:37):
Tony are searching for something, are needing something, or unhappy
in some way, shape or form. Right, And and the
one I was describing the documentary was your six day
date with Destiny seminar you've had, you know, you do
dozens of them. I mean how many of you done,
like eighty of them or seventy nine of them or something,
you know, through the course of your career. So isn't
it safe to say that anybody in that audience is heard? Well, no,

(19:01):
not necessarily. You'll be surprised. People come from two extremes.
They come because they're the best in the world. And
what they do. I mean, Pitball is not hurting, you know,
and he's you know, I'm constantly interacting in supporting what
he's doing. Right, Uh, Hugh Jackman is not hurting. Serena
is not hurting. So it's finding what people need and
what people who come to see me are hungry. So
you're right. Some are hungry because of pain. They had

(19:23):
a birthday with a zero, they went through a divorce,
their kids have grown up um, you know they have
been at the same business for twenty years. They made
million dollars in their board. Out of their mind. They
want something more. Right, someone wants something more, they're gonna
come see me. But then there's the whole class of people,
which is a huge chunk, which are the best in
the world that are looking for they know one little distinction.

(19:44):
You know, I'm going this direction and make a ten
degree shift, and you take that on a month and
now six months, and now you have a different destination,
different destiny. So I get people that are hungry. If
you're in the lukewarm middle where you're not happy but
you're not unhappy enough doing about it, you're never gonna
come see me. But if you're the best in the world,
you'll talk to the other best and I'll say Tony
did this for me, and you'll call me. Or if
you're the best or not the best, but you're really challenged,

(20:06):
you're going to look for answers. And I'm going to
be one of those people eventually, just because I've been
in the culture doing this for forty years. So if
Brian wanted to come, you are very expensive. If Brian
wanted to come and have a one on one session, Brian,
I'd like to talk to you about me beginning together
with Actually I think I could get together with Tony,
but he's too expensive and I'm too cheap. We should

(20:26):
talk about this because so you charged a million dollars
and they had a percentage of whatever side in their business. Yeah, geez, Louise,
no wonder you're feeding so many hungry people. You're gonna
only coach so many people one on one to give
you agree. I used to see. I used to do
my Magnificence seven and then I stopped doing it because
the demands are just so high and I have to

(20:48):
you know, I want to over deliver always, and I
just not enough hours in the day. So now I
do too, sometimes three at a time max. But Paul
Tutor has been one of my clients for twenty four years.
So I four million dollars, maybe maybe it was more,
but he's but he's also made billions and billions of dollars.
I mean, several times along the way, I've said, damn, look, Paul,

(21:10):
we're such dear friends. I said, I don't need this
for you anymore. I know what you're gonna do when
you're gonna do it. You knew it too, And he
looks at me and says, are you kidding me? Your
my insurance policy? Just know when you're going to show up.
I do all this stuff. I knew I should have
dated him in college. Well, we're going to take a
quick break and when we come back, we're going to
talk to you about leadership and our fearless leader or

(21:32):
I don't know. Is that the right way to describe
Donald Trump? These days, we'll hear from Tony Robbins about
Donald Trump. Right after this, we're back with Tony Robbins.
Who has I think you're the male brend of a Carl.

(21:53):
You've got such a raspy voice, is it? Is it
always so? Of course a lot of our listeners won't
remember brend of a Card did a tamp Ex commercial,
and I'm being compared to a tamp Ex commercial. I
feel really very raspy voice. I think it's important to
know the facts about tampons, to use them intelligently, and
to know what you're doing. Let me tell you why
I like plate Express. Yes, because I speak fifty hours?

(22:16):
Is that why it's so raspy? I actually went to
a expert at Harvard, who's worked with Aarri Smith and
all these guys. He's probably the best expert in the country.
I'll never get he has this. He asked me, how
off when I speak it? I told me. He thought
I was making it up. He goes, No, one speaks
for twelve hours. No one will sit there with twelve hours.
I said, well, now I get ten thousand people at
the time to do it. So he'd been puts me
under the scope and he literally says, I got the

(22:38):
thing down my throat. I can't speak. He's like, no, no.
He leaves the room with the thing in my throat
trying to say something. He walks in with three doctors
five minutes later and they all stare no, no, Well
that's when you know it's good. Yeah. So if idly
pull it out, Like what's the no, he goes, you're um.
You are what he called vocal cords are supposed to

(22:58):
be the thickness of your lips. Yours are thinner than
this piece of paper. He said, there's no way you
should be able to actually speak. It should be impossible
for you to speak. But he said, you've done something
that My forty years as a medical doctor expert in
this area would say as impossible. Science says, impossible. You've
wired your voice box, your false voice box, to your
normal voice box, and that's how you speak. He goes,

(23:20):
it's almost that you couldn't speak, and you like willed
yourself to speak, and somehow the cells connected and gradually
created this train that you now can speak. That's how
I talk to Do you ever not talk? I mean,
do you ever go for quiet periods? She says? Why
aren't you talking to me? What's wrong? You're one of
those everybody else you're not talking to me? You probably

(23:42):
get sick of it. I'm sure you want to just
not like, want to let your voice rest. And someone
dore my wife, she's, I tease, are mercilessly? Mercilessly? No,
I I'd like to speak when there's something to speak about,
and when there's something to speak out. I'm not getting
up there to talk for fifty hours because I want
to talk for fifty hours. Because what I do is conditioning. Right.
You hear something, once you understand it, you here a

(24:03):
couple of times in different ways, you might be able
to play it. But if I get you were you're
wired to do it now. You get results. I mean
you get results by changing conditioning. You don't get results
by just getting a new insight. This was your second wife,
your current I was married for fourteen years before that.
I've been married eighteen years on this one. And and so,
what did you learn from your first marriage? Your partner.

(24:23):
No one tells you how to pick a partner. So
she was a great lady, but we had so little
in common. It was just chemistry. And then I fell
in love with her children. She'd been married twice before me.
I was her third husband, and she was thirteen years
my senior, twelve years my senior. So I was, if
you can imagine, twenty four and instantly had a seventeen
year old son overnight and eleven year old. Oh that's weird,
like seven years older than your stepson. He was the

(24:46):
Ashton Kutcher of his day. He's fifty and I'm fifty seven. Yeah,
to give an idea, So I grew up very quickly. Um,
but I didn't want to lose the kid's love. I
fell so in love with them. She's a good human being,
but you know, she'd be upset all the time that
I was stopping to talk to people or help people
much so. But what the beauty is I end up

(25:09):
with all my kids and my second youngest is my
partner in several of my financial businesses, you know. And
so it's a it's a blast at this stage of
my life that I got to experience all those stages simultaneously.
They made me grow up and they think increased my
ability to help other people too. Well, let's let's enough
about your marriage. Let's talk about Donald Trump. Can speaking
of things that weren't supposed to be possible, like her

(25:29):
vocal cords Trump. So, so, how well do you know
Donald Trump? Pretty well enough that he's called me at
various times. I gave him his first six speech, I know,
not recently, I gave him his first big speech. I
think you might call him, well, sure I can, but
he's and he's just down the road for me. You
don't visit him if I want to get because I
live in Balm Beach most of the time. A good

(25:50):
person of time. But um, you know, he's a very
unique creature, as you well know. And I think that
he's been reinforced for what you and I might call
bad behave at least in communication style. And um and
he's now President Nited States, and those things are not
being reinforced. But I think half the country sent him
there because government is systemic. You take your time, you

(26:11):
think everything through it as consequences. He's pragmatic. I want
to do this now, right now, and even if make
a mistake, then I'll correct the mistake and get it done.
But I'm not gonna take two years to do it.
So I think, is that pragmatic or impulsive? Well, you
can call it impulsive, but it's also pragmatic to look
for an answer now. Everyone has a specialty in their brains.
Some people are extremely empathetic, right. Empathetic people are always

(26:31):
like if you're in a meeting right now and we
say we're gonna do something, they're gonna, hey, wait a second,
that will make these people feel this way, and they're
always worried about that. Person is more pragmatic is like,
they're gonna feel that way, but if we don't do this,
it's gonna go under and everyone's gonna get hurt. That
is what we gotta do right now. The systemic person like,
slow down, let's think this through, let's evaluate this, let's
take our time, And they might take a couple of
years to do what the other person will do wrong

(26:53):
in the first week, but the wrong one was the
first week will get more done because they do it
more often, and if they correct, they do it more often.
I don't know, I feel correct enough or not. But
he clearly he's not empathetic. Let's put it that way.
I'm not as high as skill set. Thank you, last category.
The president of the last category sounds like Barack Obamas
exactly right, totally systemic. And when you're talking at Barack Obama,

(27:14):
he's thinking while he's talking to he's filtering every word.
I watched him, you know, get up and you have
a speech to first graders and he had to what
do you call it? Telepropers reading teleproperters the first graders like,
come on. But then you have this other guy who
just makes it up as he's standing there. So we've
gone from one extreme. Yeah, that's what people do in relationship, right,
this didn't work. Let me throw my pendulum to the
other side, which also often doesn't work in some people's minds.

(27:36):
But I think, um, I had a good conversation with
President Clinton last weekend, but I had an even better
conversation related to this specifically, a couple of months ago
with George W. Bush, and I was asking him. I said,
you know, you never attacked Barack Obama. I really respect
that about you. And he goes, I'll tell you why.
Tony goes, I'm not president United States. The people have spoken.
I had my eight years, and whether I voted for

(27:57):
the person or not doesn't matter. They're my president. There,
you're president. We got to help them succeed. They don't
do it on their own. And he I said, but
what do you feel? He goes, well, you know, I
wanted my brother to win. He said, he obviously didn't.
But he goes this stuff that the world's over because
Trump is crazy and insane. He goes, it's so exaggerated,
and it's quite quite frankly infantile. He said, let's just
be honest. He said, I used to think this too.

(28:20):
When Nixon left office impeached. I thought he destroyed the presidency,
destroyed the reputation Americas, stroyed America. He goes, I was
dead wrong. He said that was an infantile emotional response.
Here's the truth. He said, the office is bigger than
the occupant. People so nervous trepidacious, scared out of their
mind because we as a culture constantly reinforce fear and

(28:44):
create tribalism. It's the news way in which we live.
Since social media plus today we can self fulfill you
can you you can just watch MSNBC all day long
or Fox all daylong and you live in a different
universe or Facebook and read fake news. So people today
don't want to be interrupted. I mean, in the financial industry,
it's one of the biggest mistakes that people It's called

(29:04):
confirmation bias. You know, you go get everybody confirm what
you believe and you go do that. Well, it's a
recipe for death. We're doing that here. How do we
how do we change that? You know? I mean, this
is something we've talked about frequently. And my friend Nicole says,
people looking for affirmation, not information. And but you know,
and there was a piece in the New York Times
actually recently about how to get out of your bubble,

(29:25):
and people are trying to encourage people to overlap. But
I mean, how what's the solution to the first? You
go first, You got to see what the problem is.
I believe the problem. You can tell me if you
agree or disagree. Um. One of the problems clearly is
that we are not using technology. Technology is now using us.
Watch how people where people's level of impatience is today

(29:47):
the bam bam on their phone like this, it's not responding,
it's going to a satellite. Give it a minute. I mean,
my god, whether the hell is the matter with you?
And so you're used to in control every moment on
the web. So I think it's a combination of technology.
And we have tolerated this as a culture. You get
what you tolerate. As an individual, we tolerated, but how

(30:08):
do you how do you change it? And the only
way it's so far down line now. The only way
it changes is the way anything changes. Historically, we throw
our pendulums until we exhaust that, and sometimes that exhaustion
goes for a period of you know, a generation, ten
or fifteen or twenty years. If you think about the
winter seasons historically, I mean, if you grew up in
the nineteen thirties and forties, came of age at that time,

(30:30):
you live very differently. Became of age in the fifties,
then if he came to change in the sixties and seventies,
a totally different generation than the eighties and nineties two thousands.
So I personally believe, and I'm guessing no one knows
for sure. I think we're gonna throw our pendulum and
we're gonna get exhausted this like we exhausted anything, and
will eventually come back. How long will that take? I
don't know. Will President Trump become a CEO who settles

(30:51):
down and is able to do that or not. You know,
we're six weeks into it. He's been reinforced for the
behavior he had his entire life, and he's only for
the first time having an interruption to that behavior. So
we'll see. Well, regarding President Trump, you said Donald doesn't
take coaching, he doesn't want coaching. I know a lot
of Republicans who are really nervous, scared, even alarmed by

(31:13):
some of the actions he's taken as president. The fact
that he doesn't know what he doesn't know, and that
he has these tweet storms that you know, five thirty
in the morning making all these accusations that have no
merit because he's been reading bright Bart News come on.
And so I think the larger question is can he
learn from his mistakes and get bigger and better, or

(31:33):
he's a smarter person. You might give him credit for it.
He's well trained to be the way he is because
he's been rewarded so often. But without the rewards, he's
got the ability to learn. The question is will he
And I can't answer that question for you, No one can.
But I think, um, the more we spend time on
his tweets uh and give it so much attention, you
just reinforce the behavior. He's going to keep doing it.

(31:55):
The more put your fist up. If I go like this,
what are you doing? Why are you put him back?
I didn't tell you to push back. Well, otherwise you're
gonna break my arm. He's a very strong guy. Actually,
let let it go. You'll see it. It's not going
to break your arm. More more you push on somebody,
I just don't put his fist out. And I pushed

(32:16):
on it like with my fist, and he's pushing harder
and harder. I didn't tell him to push I'm still
across the table from Superman here, and it's very hard
not to push back a little bit. But think about that.
It's very hard for him not push back, very hard
for the media not to push back. But you're more
optimistic than many people. You think that he can grow
and get better. But you've said that he doesn't take
training or coaching at this stage. He's not, but it

(32:37):
doesn't mean he won't. He's got four years and we're
all going to be with him four years, where you
like him or not. So do you really want to
spend the rest of your life bitching, complaining, whining about
somebody's style of communicating? Um, you know, we have three
branches of government. They balance each other out. He's gonna
pass some things you don't like. That's called life. He's
gonna not pass some things he wants to that you
might like. That's life. You know, we're we're living in

(33:00):
a world where there's so much whining. It's just like,
how about, let's where the issues are real, let's deal
with them. But why not? Why is there got to
be personal? It used to be in Congress when Clinton
was in office, guys would fight like hell on the
floor and they go have a beer together. Now the
problem is if you talk to it aside, you're evil,
you're immoral. This is absurd, This is childlike behavior. But

(33:22):
that's expanded to the nation as a whole. And so.
But but no, I mean not just on Capitol Hill.
And we often heard stories of Reagan and Tip O'Neill
having a drink together in the Oval office and fighting
like hell in the halls of Congress. But what do
you do about such a divided nation? I know this
is the top topic a on so many shows, and
I think around so many dinner tables all over the country.

(33:44):
But these two Americas that are so at each other's
throats seven, how how do we come together? I mean,
I know it's not going to be Kumbaya, But at
the same time, how do we dissipate this anger and
vitriol that's just pulsing true society today? Well, it starts
with the leaders and the leaders of both parties, That's

(34:06):
what I'm saying. That's the challenge. But eventually we burn out. Eventually,
if you look at history, whatever it is, will it
be anger? You get tired of being anger? It sades,
you get tired of me sadness I just have. I'm
just saying, why don't we get tired of it? Now?
Start to focus. Let's focus on what we can do
instead of we can't. What's the secret to financial well being?

(34:26):
If not predicting the future. The secret is taking control
of what you can control. There's many things you can't
and it's time to surrender to that and focus on
what you can do. Otherwise you're just everybody just whining,
and it's like, what is it doing? Is it making
anything better? Is it changing it all? No, you're just
getting the habit of being piste off all the time
or fearful all the time, And a decision made from
fear or a decision made from anger is almost always

(34:48):
the wrong decision. If you were coaching President Trump today,
what would you tell him Your communication style is getting
in the way of your substance. There's actually substance to
what he's doing in many cases that some people agree.
I mean, if you were to say, look in Syria,
we cannot vet that these people are who they say
they are, so in these cases until we can vet,
we're going to do this for them, it would be

(35:09):
a different case. But when you talk about Muslims as
if it's a religion that's wrong, um, then the style
of communication gets ahold of it anyding. And the second
thing is calling people idiots or going on the internet
at three in the morning and attacking everybody who has
a different point of view makes it impossible to truly
govern unless you in control of everything. And why do
you think he does that word? It's fitted so much

(35:30):
time on him, and why he does it. He doesn't
because he's been conditioned to do it his whole life.
He's a real estate guy that worked with very wealthy people.
He figured a formula, he used debt, he maximized it
and almost went bankrupt and then really scored in a
large scale And no matter what he said or did,
he got reinforced, including with a TV show for twelve years.
So he's been reinforced. Until new reinforcement happens, you won't

(35:52):
see a change. That's how humans work. I want to
ask you about leadership, you know, because I think some Americans,
I would say a lot of them Americans Field there's
a real dearth of leadership in this country, I would agree. Unfortunately,
Why why do you think it's so hard to find
people that we trust and believe in and want to
be in charge? Well, think about it today. If you

(36:16):
and I live in in the world before the Internet,
and I'm not suggesting to go back of the stupidest
thing in the world. Maybe maybe in the moment, but
if you really think about it before, then if you
want to attack me, you're going to pay a consequence.
You say something about verbally, you do something and it
used to be in the media and you can be sued.
Today with the Internet, we all want to be significant.

(36:38):
There's only two ways to be significant. Take big risks
and try to achieve things, and you could fail, and
if you fail, you feel like you're worthless. Or tear
everybody else down. Build the tallest building, or tear everybody
else down. Well, it's not hard to figure out what
the majority of people do. There's no downside of tearing
other people down. To the web, there's no consequence. So
our web behaviors and our technology conditioning has changed our

(37:00):
culture to where we're no longer kind. I mean, obviously
there are plenty of kind people, and there are kind communities.
But if you asked is the Internet a kind place?
The answer is what would you say? Absolutely not? Having
said that, most of my friends would never ever right
the kind of garbage that comes my way. I don't know, Brian,

(37:23):
if you get that, but you know that that comes
the way of people who maybe disagree with them or
who are public figures. So yes, I don't also grew
up in a different generation, right, my daughters would never
do that. I agree that you're you've you're because you
brought a different generation. You have different values, right, look

(37:43):
at it. You're a race, so it's a value system.
But right now that you can talk about values all
you want. But then people look at this phone a
hundred and fifty times a day, that's the average, hundred
fifty times a day at your outdoor brain, and whenever
you're looking there, they're getting a dopamine hit some times.
All this cool new things, so they're wired to keep
doing this and guess what, Like any other addiction, they're

(38:06):
here all the time. This world I can control you know,
like me, I'll unfriend you, I'll let it go. We
have created a selfish society where it's all about me,
and it's really not about me. It's about the way
I can frame myself with filters and pictures. You can
see people getting depressed all the studies on Facebook now,
and it's because they're not comparing their life to other people.
They're comparing life to other people's fake lives. Right, So

(38:27):
I sound old talking to all this crap. Now I
I agree with you. Well, I'm older than you are.
I mean, what are practical things. The practical things that
we have to do is we've got to train people
to enter a world where they live at their best
and they're reinforced for it. Let me look, let's be honest.
All human beings have a two million year old brain,

(38:47):
and that brain is not designed to make you happy.
That brain is designed to make you survive. So it's
a survival software. So what is it looking for anything
that could hurt me? Well, there's not a saber tooth
tiger for you to fight or flight or freeze and
hopefully not spot you. Now we place that with what
are people thinking about me? As if it's life and
death or do I have enough money? And let's be honest.
In this country, if you are in poverty and you know,

(39:09):
I care, I need a hundred million people a year.
I don't wan anybody in poverty. But if you're in
part of the United States, you're not. Is the biggest
bullshit on the planet. You're the one percent of the
planet the planet. Three quarters of the planet lives on
two dollars and fifty cents a day. Nine dollars a year.
So we're living in a society where we've lost track.
It's gonna balance? Will it balance as fast as you?
And I want? No? My job is to educate you.

(39:32):
I was there. I had ten thousand people in San
Francisco and San Jose the day after the election. San Francisco,
so you know what that was. They were depressed, and
I just I went after him and I said, come on,
grow up. What the hell are you doing If you
can't take disappointment, and disappointment drives you into this place,
how are you gonna deal with your own life? You're

(39:53):
focused on Trump because you're not mastering your own life.
But I think there are people who are upset about
Trump for pretty selfless reasons. Actually, people whose taxes are
going to be cut by Trump, people who are personally
going to benefit from Trump. Have said, I don't like
the example he sets from my children, the cut he's
going to make. Let's just agree on that. I agree

(40:14):
with it, So what are you going to do about it? Well,
that's that's the right, but right so I answer my question,
what are you gonna do about it? I don't have
an answer that question. Continuing to complain about it isn't
changing a thing. We can continue to make ourselves miserable
if you like to continue for now, I'd rather do this.
I'd rather say argue with the reality is stupid. Sometimes

(40:34):
reality does not reward what you want, So then what
should you do? Focus on what you can do and
what you can control, because otherwise you're just going to
be upsettled. But now I agree, and I think that
a lot of people I don't know. Sometimes I feel
like I get too wrapped up in that. I don't
think it's whining for journalists to point out these important
issues to the president, but to try when they're no,

(40:56):
that's terrible and it's very unprofessional. And journalists shouldn't be
biased in that way. And I think we're that well.
Not all of them are. A journalist across the table
from me is not, I would argue. But today our
journalists today pure reporters as they once were. Is that
pure journalism? Many of them are? I do. I think,
by and large, journalists tend to be more progressive and

(41:20):
and and and and and care about progressive issues more.
I think there's Yeah. I went to college and they
had a professor who was liberal, not conservative, because that's
who goes and teaches, and so we keep fulfilling that
that aspect. Personally, I think and I'm not for the
agenda President Trump, but I personally think it starts even

(41:41):
at the colleges. We need to have more diversity in
these colleges. When you look at Berkeley, which is supposed
to be the home of free speech, and I don't
even see it. I just have the pictures today. But
I remember that idiot from bright Bart I can't think
of his name. I don't support him. But to blow
shut up, to create fires, to punch people in the
face so that someone can't speak, I don't know how
to see that group of people that supposedly started the

(42:03):
free speech movement? Are you not embarrassed by that? I'm embarrassed.
I don't know how you call yourself a liberal and
opposed the First Amendment and say I'm not. I'm not
going to even expose myself to ideas with which I disagree.
But speaking of powerful ideas, before we let you go,
how is that for an awkward segue? We should talk
about what I'm trying to talking about. How many books

(42:26):
have you written? Tony? What is this now? Five? I
guess six. I guess, Wow, good, you're You're a busy guy.
So this one is unshakable, your financial freedom playbook. And
this is the result of all your conversations with all
these financial experts, well not just experts, but every one
of them was a self made millionaire. And then I
went Nobel Prize winner that I just brought them people
the best on earth. But the reason about this book

(42:47):
is I actually had I do an annual event where
I bring in, you know, six self made billionaires, some
of the best financial people in the world, and I
have them work with my biggest donors, you know, for
feeding people. And I a year ago I had the
form a FED chair, Alan Greenspan on nineteen years most
powerful man in finance for presidents, right, I guess spent
five hours and then three hours picking his brain, which

(43:08):
is what I do best. I dig in, find it
his psychology and his psyche and how things have shifted.
And then two hours in one of the audience and
the last thing we talked about negative interest rates and
you know, I've never seen this in five thousand years
of banking history, and what the FEDS are doing, and
this really passionate conversation. So I said, okay, you're back,
made of head fed today you're the chairman of the
Fed of Again, what's the first thing you do? And

(43:29):
the whole room leaned into here and he paused, and
he paused, and he leaned in and he went resigned.
I would resign. Was like when the FED chair says
he resigned. You know we're in trouble. So look, we're
eight years into this bull market. It's the second largest
one in history. It doesn't take a genius to figure
out there's gonna be a crash. It's not negative. It's

(43:50):
just the fact it always has been. It's historic. But
what I wanted to do is I wanted three people
of the fear and show him how to utilize this,
both protect themselves and take advantage. Because if you're a
baby boomer and you started too late. I know it's counterintuitive,
but the next crash is your chance, the leap fraud
from where you are financially to where you want to be.
If you're a millennial and you've got all this you know, debt,

(44:11):
God forbid from you know, college education, you've got you
think you'll never get out of it. The crash is
the leveler. It's like if I told you your favorite
car was I don't know Ferrari, and you said to me,
I want a Ferrari, and I said, I know a
place you get them fifty percent off, you'll be out
of your mind. But when the stock market goes fifty off,
people freak out. People have the opposite instinct, which is
to buy high and sell low. Buffett, what you tell

(44:36):
everybody during that time, this is the greatest opportunity of
your life by anything. You can be like others are fearful,
and fearful when you got it absolutely so what what
people don't know? The reason they're not in the market
A they think they have no money, And so I
show them what to do and how to actually just
take a small percentage and grow it because you just
don't realize what compounding can do, you know. I give

(44:56):
an example in the Book of a young Man based
on a friend. Mind's father convinced him at nineteen that
he's gonna take three dollars a month and say but,
which sounds like a lot. But once you automated, you
don't even think about it just happens. You don't see it,
And he did it just till he was twenty nine, right,
so nine years. Total amount of money in was like
four thousand years, so it's like thirty five thousand dollars

(45:16):
he left it in the market, and the market over
the last thirty years is ground ten point to five.
But I showed you even if it only grown at
eight percent even less, he ends up taking that thirty
five tho dollars, never putting another diamond. At sixty five,
he's got just under a million dollars. His bet that
it doesn't make a lot of money to be wealthy.
It takes time and and consistency. His best friend gets

(45:38):
the idea when he finishes to start at twenty nine,
and he invests three dollars a month his entire life
to sixty five, and he never catches up because it's
time that gives you the advantage. You don't need a
lot of money. How many great athletes, how many great
movie stars, actresses? Actors? Have you seen that made more
money than god? And now they're totally broke. I mean,
you look at fifty cent he know he got a

(46:00):
hundred million dollar tip on vitamin water. You made I
think it was four or million bucks if I remember correctly,
and he's bankrupt. He bought Tyson's home and Tyson went bankrupt.
Who made a half a billion dollars right now? I
don't know if it's true, but I read the other
day that what's pirates scabbean Johnny Depp he made three
quarters of a billion dollars seven or fifty million dollars,

(46:23):
and they're talking about him going bankrupt right now because
he spent thirty thousand a month on wine and he
spent three million dollars. Take Hunter Thompson burned his body
and blow it in a cannon into space. It's hard
to live a nice lifestyle and three quarters of a
billion dollars and you've got to economize unless you make
money your slave. You're the slave to money. And unless
you learn how to make money while you're sleep, it's

(46:43):
not gonna happen. And every American can do. And it's
not a full time job. It requires you to get
in the game. But you've got to know what the
rules are so you don't get taken advantage of because truthfully, uh,
the level of the seat that happens in this industry
is greater than almost any industry in the world because
there just isn't it's parents e and people use language.
It makes people feel like they don't know what they're doing,

(47:04):
and so they just give up. And then they beat
you to death with fees you don't even know you're paying.
So this is this book is really for everyone, not
for wealthy people anybody. Now, this is a book designed
to show you how you can leap frog where you
are where you want to be, and to make sure
a you're protected during the next time, but more importantly,
that you take advantage of what the next time will
provide for you. I mean, I'll give you an example.

(47:25):
Why are people afraid you in the market's gonna crash? Well,
every day you hear another we broke another record, you
know here at the dolls up another one. Well, if
you look over the history of the stock market, on average,
we break we have a new record once a month.
Now sometimes that happens seven in a week, but that's
the average that we've had over time. But here's what's
really interesting. Every year we have a correction. It's like,

(47:46):
if you're gonna be stressed and you're forty years old
and you're gonna live to eighty five, you're gonna have
forty five more corrections to go through. You're gonna be
stressed the rest of your freaking life. Remember last January,
the worst January in history, two point two trillion dollars
melted down. But where we end up year record breaking
eighty percent of those corrections, and a correction for those
listening is anytime you drop more than ten percent up

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to twenty from where the peak was, that's called a correction.
Eighty percent of them don't become a crash. They don't
become that melt down that everybody's afraid of at the
deepest level. And so you literally you you see fourteen
percent dropout, and it bounces right back unless you sell.
I always tell people the market never took a dime
from anyone you did. Now watch this. What about those

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big bear markets? They last a year on average, They
cost us an average of thirty three if you sell,
if you don't sell, and cost you anything. And here's
what people have to know. Every single bear market, every
crash in the history of the the United States for two
centuries plus, has been followed by a bull market that
goes crazy. If you remember two thousand and eight, we
lost you know, from peak to trough briefly, it was

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really around thirty five for most people, but we went
we made six starting on March nine. Coming up a
few days from now is the anniversary for the next
twelve months. I can show that to you every time
in history of the United States. That's why Warren Buffett says,
you don't want to bet against the United States the
last two centuries. The dumbest bet you could possibly make.
You want to be in the market, not sell, And
when the market crashes, you want to buy things for

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a discount. Well, in your message, which is a very
powerful one and one that I think a lot of
people need to hear, is you can't market time. You
brought to bear a great stat in the book about
how most of your gains happened during these days. I forget,
It's like a dozen days the course of the year.
Get the hot button. Check this out. So people are
trying to time the market. Oh my god, the market's
too high. How long have you been hearing that? For

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eight years? The market's got up two How have we
heard that since since Trump got in office? We're up
right now? Trump bump. But he isn't gonna correct. Of course,
it's gonna correct. It's gonna happen. But here's what you
gotta know. Warren Buffett said to me, Tony, those guys
on CNBC, those market forecasters, they're only there, he said,
to make fortune tellers look good because no one can

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predict the market. But here's what you can predict. There's
a study done over the last twenty years by both
JP Morgan and by Charles Swamp. They did independently. What
they found is, over thirty years we've done ten point
to eight percent, which is amazing. Over the last twenty
years we've done eight point two percent. But if you
missed just ten of the best training days in twenty years, now,

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what are your chances of knowing which days those are
going to be? So you're out because you're thinking is overvalued,
whatever the case may be, you're scared. If you missed
the top training ten trading days, that's all in twenty years,
you moved from having an eight percent return where you're
doubling your money every nine years and get wealthy. Of
doing that, it drops down to four and a half percent.
Almost in a half. You've missed the top twenty days,
you will only make two percent. You might as well

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have been in bonds. And if you missed the top
thirty days one and a half days for twenty years,
that's all one half days each year for twenty years,
you lose money. See, the most dangerous thing is not
getting the market. You've got to be in the market
because it's given the highest rates of return for the
last two centuries. It has the most volatility, which is
why you have to have diversification, like I show you.

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But it is the opportunity of your lifetime to be
in there and be unlike other people and be unshakable.
All right, before we go, I feel like watching Tony.
He's got so much energy. Do you drink a lot
of coffee. I don't drink any coffee. You imagine me
one you would be scary, really so. But you do
have some kind of funky personal routine. You you you you.

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You jump into this cold pool every morning when you're
at one of your homes plural, that's fifty seven degrees
the water that um it stimulates. It's done all over
the world, but especially in the northern countries to go
hot cold stimulate the limp system. The blood flow cleans
your system out. But I also do it for another reason.

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Which is you know, most people don't do what they
need to do. They know what they should do, but
they don't do it. You know, you know what to do,
but they don't do what they know. Right. So when
I did early on, as I said, I want to
train my brain that when I say we're doing this,
I'm not negotiating with myself. Well do it tomorrow. So
I get in every day for one reason and to
teach my brain. When I say we do it, we

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do it, and now it does. If I want to
go make the run, I want to do the business thing.
There's no hesitancy in me. There's no negotiation within myself
and that has enormous power. If you want to build
things and create things and have an impact with people.
You also do breathing exercises. I do. I start every
day with my first ten minutes. Is a form of meditation,
sort of meditation. Like here's what I do. I do

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a radical change in my body because changing your breathing
changes the way the brain works. If you study you
know yoga, various esoteric sciences. The breath is like the
string on a kite. The kite is your brain. If
you change the breath, you change how the brain becomes engaged.
So I do this radical explosive breathing. I do three
sets of thirty, and that changes my stake of it.
I hear what radical explosive breathing sounds like a little

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louder than that, harder than that. And I do thirty
of them? Right, I do thirty paws, thirty pause. Then
I spend ten minutes, and I do three minutes where
all I focus on our three things. I'm grateful for you.
Now why it sounds man? Be pan be gratitude. Who cares?
Two emotions that screw us up? And you see them
in our society right now are anger and fear. They'll
screw up your business, they'll screw up your intimate relationship,

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they'll screw up your health. And the antidote is gratitude.
It can't be grateful and angry simultaneously. It's impossible. So
if you cultivate that gratitude, there's no anger there. You
can't be fearful and grateful simultaneously. So by taking three
minutes to start every day and bringing that up in
my nervous system with real stuff, not positive thinking, I'm

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so happy and making it up a bunch of affirmations.
I think about real situations and I make one really simple,
like the wind on my face, my child smile, Because
if you only train yourself to respond to big things,
then you don't enjoy life. It's kind of like the
astronauts that went to the moon came back. What do
you do when your thirty five you went to the moon,
you took the presidence and the taper time, you know,
the ticker tape parade? What the hell do you do now?
And most of them got addicted to drugs and alcohol

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because they found adventure only in a smile. They didn't
find it and excuse me, I'm going to the moon
versus a smile. So I do three minutes and I
focus on it and I feel it like I'm there,
and it makes my nervous system go. Then I do
three minutes of prayer and kind of blessings if you
would to my children, my family, my coworkers, my associates
and people I meet on the street. And then my
last tomorrow I promise I will, But then my last

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three minutes is kind of my three to three to
five to thrive, I think of three things that I
really want to accomplished that matter to me, and I
see it and feel it is done and kind of
celebrate it. And what that does is it sets up
your brain where you're grateful instead of reactionary. You're loving
to the people around you and yourself and bussing side
and you're clear what is you really want to make happen,

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and you're certain it's going to happen. And it takes
ten minutes, and honestly, I'll usually go fifteen or twenty
because it feels so good. But there's no excuse not
to do it, because you know, if you don't have
ten minutes, you've got a life. And so that's what
I do. That and my jumping in that freezing water
are my Yeah, no, I I use I lymphasize. I
use a rebounder. Yeah, it moves your lymp the limp.

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You know, the heart and the blood is moved by
the heart, but the lymph has very little that can
move it around other than strong explosive breath, strong breathing
and movement exercise. So the length is critical. It's the
detoxication system your body. So bouncing out a rebound or
allows you to move the limp, but it doesn't when
you hit the ground, you don't have the impact. That's
part of them. I don't know about you, Brian, but
I'm going to do those three things tomorrow. And I

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don't have a trampoline, but see if not going to
do that either. But the people you're grateful, the gratitude thing,
which my husband says I should do more, and the
prayers and then the intentions. Yeah, the three things you're
committed to, right, but seeing it as done failures done.

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It's really simplistic, but when you do it every day,
it reinforces that. You also just got to think about
we all do what we've trained our nervous system to do.
If you bitch all the time, you're gonna bitch all
the time. If you're grateful the time, you're grateful a time,
if you're we all know people that are funny no
matter what happens, right, you know, and how do they
do it? They wired themselves to do it. So why
not wire yourself for higher emotional states that will affect

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your family and your businesses and your coworkers and associates
as opposed to just showing up and hoping you feel
good with an environment that if you turn on anything.
If this thing's following you, you're probably gonna be unhappy
because all I gotta do is open us up and
there'll be twenty things about Trump and twenty things about
the record show. He is holding his iPhone. I feel
like I should do of what Tony Robbins does. I

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will be a hugely successful person. That's for damn. I mean,
you're amazing. Really, you guys are sweet. Now, we all
we all have our gifts, and I'm just clear what
my mission is. I think you're clear about yours. And
I don't know you well enough to know, but it
sounds like you've found a partner here and still figuring
it out Brian, and Brian is clear as well. That's wonderful.
All right, Well, thank you so much for people pick

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up the book, because we're going to feed another hundred
million people. That every book will feed fifty people. All
the profits are going to Yeah, last time, we sold
a million copies in hardbackup money Master the Game, so
we've had fifty million people. But I'm donating it regardless,
even if you don't buy the book for yourself. If
people are interested in learning more about your charity and
about what you you to feed people all over the globe.

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How do they do that? They can go to feeding
America dot org and you can look up to Tony
Robbins hundred million More they call it because every year
we do another hundred million a billion person challenge basically,
or you go to my website at Tony Robbins dot com.
So fun to have you, so nice to see you again.
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