October 11, 2025 • 40 mins
A few weeks ago, a developer pre-sold most of its eight planned heritage-style weatherboard townhouses in two Auckland projects.
They plan to bring more of their cookie-cutter housing designs to Auckland, and aims to revive the styles of homes prevalent in many older suburbs.
But having a suburb full of similarly designed houses seems like it'd make neighbourhood dull, especially if they're bunched up together as councils plan to intesify - that in turn, would affect prices, and would make any changes you make to the property stick-out like a sore-thumb.
So what are the pros and cons of cookie-cutter builds? what DIY projects could we do to boost our home's appearance? And what would we bring in an architect for?
Daniel Marshall is the Owner/Director of Daniel Marshall Architects and joins Tim Beveridge for the OneRoof Radio Show...
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So right now though it is the one roof radio show,
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and eighty. So a few weeks ago there is a
heritage style developer pre sold most of its eight planned
colonial style weatherboard townhouses in two Auckland projects and they
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basically it's a I don't want to say cookie cutter design,
but it is. It's a sort of Yeah, it's reviving
certain styles of homes that are prevalent in other subjects suburbs.
But of course, as you've seen with different developments, you
have a suburb full of similarly designed houses. Sometimes can
make the uniformity well, it's either for you or it's
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not for you, you know, especially if they're all bunched
up together with housing plans to intensify and everything and
rules around what you can even change. So if you
made any changes, if you were enable to, you probably
make your stick out like a sore thumb. So we
wanted your take. If you are either an investor or
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someone who's looking for somewhere to live, does it matter
at all whether you're part of looking at a new
development where everything's your neighbors are exactly the same as
the other or do you prefer a little bit of
an individuality. And we're also going to have a chat
about DIY projects and all that and what we might
want to bring in an architect for so a bunch
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of things to get our heads around. And joining us.
He's a new guest on the show. He's owner director
of Daniel Marshall Architects, and surprise, surprise, his name is
actually Daniel Marshall and he's with me now. Gooday Daniel,
how are you going?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Things?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Hey? So you're an architect m yes, have been since
well nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Actually wow, yeah, it's quite some time. It must have
been a child bride when it came to going to
architecture school.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Where it takes for a long time to learn.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, yeah, what attracted you to architecture in the first place.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I think it was my kind of childhood obsession with
lego and stationary, you know, because those two things kind
of drove my direction.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So and when you say childhood obsession, does this go
back to before you could speak sort of thing like
always building things?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, just building things, loving to kind of create things
and draw little plans, and yeah, it was kind of
a destiny really, it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Was it something that you appear parents might have thought,
I think he's going to be a builder or an architect.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, my mother was an art teacher and my father
was an engineer, so it was quite a good middle ground.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Gosh, it was almost a genetic coupling, isn't it. You
sort of met.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, well my brother's a doctor, so that's completely out
of left field.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But there we go. So what made you think apart
from you know, like building things, and plenty of boys
loved playing in the sandpit and playing with models and
planes and buildings and lego, But what what was the
journey for you to actually deciding this is this is life?
You know, this is something I really want to pursue.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, we were just encouraged obviously to go to university,
so it seemed like a very logical choice. And I
really loved space, and over time, you know, became more
passionate about how space makes you feel and you know
how it can completely change your environment.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
When you mean space, you're talking about living space post
to Richard Dawkin, sort of out of space.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, correct, Yes, the places that we had habit and
when I was young, my friends John Scott, who's a
great Marie architect in Hawk's Bay, and I realized that
the way you put the buildings together just made you
feel different. So for me that that was really a
catalyst for wanting to do that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And so what was your journey? I mean, you obviously
went to architecture, did a degree in architecture I'm guessing,
or yes, straight out of school and then.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, straight out of school, so it was a literal trip.
But then when I finished architects to school, I decided
I didn't want to do architecture. Know, I was looking
at advertising really yeah, it's kind of similar, you know,
And I had an interview I think was at Sarchi's
and they said I think you're a bit nihilistic to
be an Really, Wow, that's quite I took it as
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a compliment.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, So actually along the way, what did you're pre
you would have Everyone has preconceptions about it what a
career is like, and then there's a reality what it's
been like, what's what's your journey being in terms of
you know, what you're expecting it to be and what
you've ended up doing.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, there's so many offshoots and passways and this sort
of thing, so it's quite a complicated thing to do
because there's lots of moving parts, you know, regulatory change
and the design and the client and the builder and
the team. So there's so many little complexities that it
keeps you very occupied all the time. So I think
it has become a life mission, I guess. And you
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have different feelings about how you're doing over different times.
So I think I've got to a point where I'm
reasonably calm and not too competitive.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
In terms of creating what a client wants as well,
and you have your own personal taste, I mean, that's
part of it. I mean this is by the way,
if you're listening, you can join us anytime. If you've
got any questions you'd like to ask out Daniel, But
we're just going to get on. We're just going to
get to know them a little bit as part of
this opening part of the show. But when people are
choosing an architect, often they will have seen well, one
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word of mouth, friends who you know, and let's face it,
doing an individual new build, it's not sort of entry
level stuff necessarily.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well it's getting harder and harder.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, exactly. But people will have word of mouth, they'll
have seen something you've built. But the problem is if
you've built something, there's a house in my neighborhood that
if I won the lotto, that would be my sort
of starting point. But of course the architect will be like,
well we've done that. I mean, how do you balance
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how does that all work in terms of your your
own personal sort of flavors and expertise versus you know,
doing something new and original and you're still building a house.
You're not building a spaceship.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Are you. No? No, it's still you know, there's a
land and the limits and opportunities of what the site's like.
And also you know, people do come to with something
that they've seen and that they love, so I kind
of like to think of them like kind of brothers
and cousins, I suppose. So there's certain street of houses
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that are kind of quite closely related and the odd
one that kind of starts a whole new direction.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Also, a build a particular location can change everything anyway.
Like I might look at a house in my neighborhood
and go, I love the look of that. But as
soon as you see the site, it changes everything because
the driveway is going to be in a different direction,
maybe north and south and east and west and all that,
and it just changes instantly, I guess. Of course.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. Out of client on Wahaki and they at the
end of it, she said, we gave you a brief
for a flat site, but the site was a cliff, so,
you know, so I had to kind of manage that
to do all the things they wanted to for so flatness, What.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did you do? Did you have to put it on stilts?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No, I know you had a bit of digging, but
it was just sort of terraced down and then it
was all covered by this one big roof so that
you're connected on the top end at the bottom. So
it kind of worked.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Let's get now. I mentioned as part of my intro
talking about the cookie cutter housing designs and actually look
biggest he chooses. But we we bought from our landlord,
the place we live in, and I like the fact that,
you know, okay, it's probably needed some work. We had
to replace the roof, but I like that we're gradually
doing our own thing with it. And I like that
even though it's one of four so it does have
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some you know, similarities, I could, I don't think, And
I'm by the way, this conversation is always difficult because
everyone's personal tastes are different and artistic things can lead
to people giving or taking offense. But I couldn't have bought,
to be honest, I don't. It would have taken a
lot for me to buy in a development where every
house is either a similar shade, and I knew that,
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you know, here's Here's the example I think of is
that if you invited a neighbor around, they wouldn't have
to know where they wouldn't have to ask you where
the toilet was. They just know exactly where it was
because it's up on the stairs, second on the right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Absolutely, And I think you know it's an interesting. There's
a whole lot you could talk about this for ours,
but there's lots of different points of view. But if
you think about villas, they were the original cookie.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Cutter and then that become of course, the Pontsanbi villa
exactly is now an option. It's something you desire.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, well you can't you know, you can't knock it down.
It's protected. Yeah, but the same thing sort of happens
if you walk down a street with all the villas,
you can never remember which house your friend lives in.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean, what what is that? What do you
make of architecture that nott look because architectures so many things,
But what do you make of these massive developments where
for economy of scale, obviously everything is sort of the same.
I mean, the Fletcher ones, there's the Stonefield ones an
obvious one, although you know there's a bit of variety
there with terrace houses and standalons and apartments and all that.
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But what's what's your take on what you see around
the place.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, there's you know, obviously a huge range. I mean, okay,
what do you love about that's about that?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You know, some of their developments and what would you
say problems.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Problems were kind of in that scheme of the little
tiny terrace houses that kind of go stacking up forever,
and they've got like fifty different materials on them, which
is risky, you know, it's kind of a high risk
way of doing it. So they try to be like, oh,
I've got all this material but they kind of look
really terrible and the amenity of them is terrible. So
the relationship to the street all those elements which make
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good urban design. So there's two different aspects. There's one
of the architecture of the individual building, but also the
design for everyone. And so often buildings like that don't
consider either really, so that people inside kind of feel
a bit miserable.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what's an example of what makes the miseram And
you talk about amenity because one for instance, and I'm
going to jump around a bit because I'm not the
expert on us, London's full of uniformity with the Georgian houses,
terrace and things. What makes apart from the fact that
they're in the posious suburbs, but what makes a house,
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say in London and some of those you know, houses
that are all the same in fact that you can't
change them what makes them okay? And other developments which
are based on uniformity not okay specifically.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, it's how I kind of you do it yourself
spirit I think. I mean, if in a city you
have to think of it as a landscape, like New
York City for instance, the individual buildings if you start
looking at them, a lot of them a terrible but
the fact that there's you know, the height and the
scale creates a landscape. And the same with London. You know,
so the texture and the relationship to the street, all
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those things works rarely successfully in that context if we
it's almost an argument for cookie cutter it away. If
you have good design guidelines and it rules around outdoor
space and the relationship to the street and enough density,
then you're getting a nice, happy population that's kind of
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cruising around.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, what about so what I mean? What should people
if they are looking for a first time and a
lot of first time buyers are looking at either apartments
or all those intensive new developments. Yeah, if you were
helping someone choose something, what would you be looking for
for a home that would work for them that they
would be happy in.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, it's it's a colleague in my office recently bought
in a development that and it was designed by an architect.
It's amongst you know, I think it's Mount Roscoll and
there's quite a lot of bad development's kind of in
that area. But it was really thoughtfully considered. You know,
the material was simple, look great, and it was just
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kind of the way everything was laid out made you
feel good. And I think, you know, ultimately you have
to kind of think, how does this Why does it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Make you feel good?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Though?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Because I mean, I'm sure that's what Arctic study. I mean,
you can have all the theory in the world, but
if somebody walks in and goes, oh, something not right here.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, we were chatting, you know, talking about AO before,
and you know, they've they've identified all of the things
that make people feel good about space, so they're kind
of writing programs to go, how do you do this
so it can be identified. Yeah, I'm kind of more intuitive,
so I just kind of, you know, think of it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But but if you look at something that you do,
that you either do or don't like, and you must
in the end be able to work out why you
do or do. You just know you're quite instinctive sort
of architect.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's kind of I think it's it's an instinct in
terms of the balance of materials and shape. You know,
so if you've got a little, you know, little mean
space with a window that kind of you know, kind
of opens, there's no outdoor space, all those elements make
you feel more confined and you know, like and the
kitchen's in a funny place because the design is you know,
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kind of a rational layout of small space can be
really great. If you think of a yacht, you know,
they're they're tiny, but they've got a lot of you know,
stuff laid out in a beautiful way.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, it's like a tiny home movement, which is a
lot I mean, the tiny home movement is quite interesting
because a lot of the tiny hams that are built
as tiny hams maybe not as tiny.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
As or they're a bit too tidy. So it's like
fan life, you know, you have to have to be
pretty organized to kind of live in a really tiny space.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, what if you had young people looking for
a first time buy is looking for I mean, where
would if you were a young bar actually would you
be still looking for something that was old with it
had a bit of movement to do to your own
thing with or would you actually be going because there's
something about the fact that there's a new build it's
hopefully not going to need any maintenance. Although we have
some some negative headlines about those.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, there are still, you know, issues with certain builders.
I mean, the regulation has become really strict about building
guidelines and it's about to change again, so that could
that could could be a whole new world. But there
is still bad practice happening and overly complicated design and
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not really considered design, so you get these funny little
gutters and funny little flashings. So there is a risk
in those buildings. So it would be a very good
idea to get someone that a builder or building inspectors,
just someone to kind of have a look.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
At a neighborhood, local development and say what do you
make of this?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Exactly what do you see? Could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Because for the novice, any sort of new plan off
the face of it can look like all that looks good.
I mean to be honest, I mean, some people walking
and they see a child bathroom with a new toilet,
they go, that looks flash done.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bath Yeah, Oh well, you know, yeah, we'd love your
cause on this, by the way, cookie designer neighborhoods. What
do you make of them? If you're if you're a
new buyer or you're looking to relocate or anything. Are
you attractive to the newness of these places and you
don't really care about the fact that they're the same?
Or are there things that you look for that make
you think, maybe I'll look for something that's got a
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bit more individuality, maybe it's a few years old. What
do you make of it? Our cookie designer, cookie cutter housing,
cookie design I got them all over the place, cookie
cutter housing designs. Do you love them more? Do you
load them? O?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
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Speaker 1 (17:01):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. But also we've got
Daniel Marshall with us, who was an architect. If you've
got any particular questions, it's always difficult to describe things
on radio, but if you've got a few things just
about matching materials and the type of construction and even diy,
we'd love to hear from you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's twenty four past four News talks 'B News Talk
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Said B with Tim Beveridge and my guest is Daniel Marshall,
he's an architect basically has given this big, long description.
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'd love your calls
on any questions you've got from but we're talking about
cockie cutter housing designs. In fact, I'll run a couple
of text past you, Daniel for your response to it,
because I know I'm aware that you know, when we're
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talking about architecture and building and stuff, there are a
lot of people who think that architects text here, architects
are just for the rich? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It would be great if that wasn't the case, And
I think there's there's examples of you know, like the
one that took them from my office bought it was
we came a crossing, a very well known architect worked
with the developer came up with a really good result.
So I think there's a lot of the problem is
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individual houses obviously cost of fourteen so, but there's a
lot of scope for developers to see the value in
architects for this kind of those smaller sort of terrorist
house type developments like the christ whos folk that you're
talking of, they don't they just don't really see the
value they've got an in house design team, I think,
and they you know, they don't see the value that
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we can bring to a project.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So what how have they done it? Have they gone about?
Is this the townhouse of the weatherboard sort of style
colonial style townhouses?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm not sure which of the cross ups folks, but
generally they would use what they call a licensed building practitioner,
who is there's the drawings, it's the building code, but
might not have had that kind of architectural training that
you know that you get.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean for something what I mean that sort of
what are people looking for? Do you think with first
homes and at that lower end of the market, because
I guess for some people box number one is clean
and dry and waterproof, yes, with warm and warm and
you know, I guess if you're listening, how important does
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the design aspect to it? Is there a layout where
you'd look at it and go, I don't like the
look of that, or is that your prime thing? But
those things? Of course, if you're looking for a first house,
you're just looking for a roof over your head up
to a point, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, something at a reasonable cost. You know, my first
house was an apartment in Brooklyn apartment in town, so
old building but stable, you know, So you're looking for
something that doesn't look like it's going to be a
problem in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What are the things that you should look at with
some of them the I'm going to stop using the
word cookie cutter. Let's just say some of the uniform
developments where one house is based on the next one,
when they're all still of similar, are there particular things
that you that you should be aware of, because go
back to the leaky homes. When you look back on
the leaky homes, you sort of think, how did no
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one see this?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
But that was certainly a perfect storm.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah it was, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, Well, there's you know, the apprentices had gone. Everyone
forgot how to build, designers forgot how to detail things,
so and the producers and materials were just saying that
spray on plaster will be fine.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, and so do you reckon? It was completely foreseeable. Really,
people who were.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just like that's kind of yeah, absolutely. I mean there
were people like Iluckily had builders, you know, they're talking
to and they said, you know, I think we should
do it like this. I think we should have that
on a cavity, all these different things that we sort
of adopted before became a regulations. So yeah, a lot
of a lot of bullets dodged there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So I regulate. Are the regulations enough these days or
do you think that you still there are still things
as a buyer that you need to look out for
with new builds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, it's you know, there's there's regulation, and there's is
how something is drawn, but then there's also how it's built.
And so a really good builder does a fantastic job
and even if something is really complicated, you know they've
sorted it all out. If it's built in not quite
as careful a way, and you can kind of see that,
you can sort of see things they're a little bit
crooked or you know, you just got to look at
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this sort of detail and see how well it's been
put together.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
How oh, how would just because when you walk into
a house, there's so much for someone who's looking for
a house, they walk in and all they see is
that they see paint. They say, it's been presented with furniture, kitchen.
They'll be looking at what their appliants are. What are
you what if you're taking something taking someone around you're
(21:49):
looking at something, What are you looking for?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, I look, when a building's finished, we do a
process where we go through all the defects and note
all the little bits of paint, so you get this
kind of obsessive little look. So you're looking for like
things that are kind of dem it all little bits
because it just kind of speaks to the quality of
how how it's all finished, which talks about how the
whole building was thought about you by the construction team.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Is are there particular things you look for that if
something that you haven't designed to build and you're looking
around at it at you you're hoping a young person
buy a place, What do you when you walk in?
What are you What are you looking at straight away
those little things? Or are you looking at do you
look up like, for instance, you're going to the front
door and you look at the eaves and the gutters
and things.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
First, what, Yeah, you look at the outside. You know
you want it to stay warm and dry, so look
at that. You know, like if there's kind of these
hoky gutters all over the place or a hundred different materials,
you know that's they're red flags.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
What about I mean in terms of materials. Doesn't the
regulations cover things off safely enough or yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think generally, I mean that they are changing where
there's the option of alternate certification from other countries. With
the way the government going, which I think is competition
is great in terms of reducing costs. If we can
reduce cost of building or come up with innovative techniques,
you can build them cheaper and then more people can
afford to live in them and they can be a
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better quality.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And so let's get on to a little bit about
the balance between getting an architectural device but also you
know the y key we DIY thing. Yeah, by the way,
do you think that DIY sort of spirit is still
as alive and well as much as it might have
been twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, there was some outliers of the DIY world that
kind of you know, might have ruined it for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But are you talking about the TV programs?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, yeah, we'll just people just you know, go go
wild with building stuff. And so the regulation has really
shut down the options of what you can do now,
and I think with your question with the designer or
an architect, it has really got a few are looking
at doing DIY too. Get advice at the beginning, have
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a vision, you know, for the full process of of
what you want to do with this with this house,
because if you start doing one thing and then you know,
come around again. My dad was he's an engineer, and
so he kind of started at one corner of the
house and made his way all the way around the house,
and then by the time he got there and then
he kind of stayed again. So it's like a rotation.
(24:25):
And so you hadn't looked at the whole overview, I think,
you know, And so that's really important. So if you
can get someone to give you advice at the beginning,
you know, it's a very short amount of time depending
on what it is. So that's that's a big one.
Then look at what you are allowed to do. So
the website of you know, the building code kind of websites,
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you can look it up quite easily. You know, the
AI will tell you what you can and cannot.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Do as AI. Actually we won't get what we can
get onto AI designing your house. In fact, that was
one of the things I asked you were just off
here because I was in fact, did suggesce something to me?
Which I thought was quite clean and simple and something
we should have thought of ages ago. But in terms
of knowing the regulations of US, so I said to AI,
what are the restrictments of what I can do di
(25:15):
Y in New Zealand for my bathroom? Would it probably
give me a fairly good starter on advice there?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It would definitely pay to check, but it can give
you a good overview and it might point you in
the way in the direction to go. So there is
actually a ministry of business in the enterprise. There's actually
a checklist kind of website what can I not do
or what can I do? So it tells you all
the different things you can do.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, what are the what are the absolutely no nos?
Then from when it comes to DIY just I mean,
I've talked to you about we did our bathroom and
we got someone to help with the design of that,
which was which was helpful in terms of in fact
our tyler thought ahead on the consent for the bathroom
by providing us with a certificant I realized I had
to sort that out as well. What are there are
(26:02):
certain pitfalls you've got to make sure you avoid, aren't there?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Absolute? I mean, that's why And they change all the time,
so it's really important to check. But the things like
you know, like for like, unless it's in the bathroom
and you could change plumbing, fittings all those things. As
long as it's not a wet area, you can take
you know, you're bought off. You can replace a window
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as long as it's as good as the original thing was.
So say you had single glazing, you could ugly joinery.
You could just put in new jowinery sort of fix
it as long as it's higher or as the same
as the standard.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
They would be highly likely anyway, because modern joinery and
windows are absolutely you know, we've got a couple of
windows where you tap them and it's got that sort
of three or four millimeters.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
To it from air coming through. I mean, that's how
Villain survived so long, really is because they just let
the air through the whole time.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Is it because they're drafting?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They're drafted.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's the secret to villa.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, when you seal everything up and if water gets
in then it's stuck there.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So but with villas, does that create a different Does
that create a difficulty for renovating villas anyway?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think it does. I think they have to be
really careful and you're to really do when you're renovating,
because the modern technology is all about closing everything up.
While they were just you know, they just flapped around
to the breeze. So you have to watch out for moisture,
whether it's coming from inside you know, people having their
showers and everything else, or from the outside.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, look we're going to take a break. If you've
got any questions for Daniel Marshall. He's a new guest
on the show. He's an architect, he's under director of
Daniel Marshall Architects. Any questions around your property or things
you're thinking about doing and want a bit of a
bit of advice and give us a call. Weight one
hundred eighty ten eighty. It is twenty two and a
half minutes to five newstalks hed B News Talks. He'd
be with Timberverageol eight hundred eighty ten eighty with Daniel
(27:55):
Marshall tooking architecture Cookie out of Designs. By the way,
if you're looking for a property, would you be looking
for a new development which can still come with it
some sort of aablishment, sort of errors and you will
have might have seen a story in the media which
said that the number of In fact, I'll bring Daniel
Marshall in on this. There was something recently about the
(28:15):
number of eras they were in the construction of new
builds was quite startling, wasn't it. Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I didn't see the data, but I didn't see the data,
But that does not surprise me at all. Yeah. Yeah,
I think there's such a range obviously, of the quality
of the way things are built.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, right, taking your cause, Allan? Hello, hang on, Allan.
For some reason, you're talking, but I can't hear.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Can you hear me? Now? Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Being go, there we go?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Right, Hi?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Ellen?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, Hi, here you go?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Could they good?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I've got a bit of a problem with the architect.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And hopefully not all of us.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Ah well, hopefully not.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
The most current problem is the block of eight units
that I'm working on. I bought a four level apart
munch which needed doing up, and the guy was desperate
to sell it because the architect had recommended a reclad
(29:31):
and replacing ballusters that didn't need replacing and doing a
whole other stuff for about four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Now, actually, by the way, that you actually mean literally
four million dollars. Don't you as oppose?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean literally over four million dollars. Anyway, I said
to the body cooked Tuman, I'm a builder of fifty
three years experience, and I said to the body cook chairman, look,
in my opinion, why don't we just do what needs doing,
which was some structural posts and a few bits and pieces.
(30:07):
And we've already done the structural post that costs five
grand for all sixteen of them. And you know, because
I use my contacts to get the best prices where
I can, the whole budget for all the repairs that
need doing and to make the place look nice, including
finishing coats of paint, etc. Is going to be more
(30:28):
like twenty five grand. Now, I think it's absolutely scandalous
that this architect could recommend to a whole bunch of
people who knew nothing about buildings that they spend over
four million dollars. What are your comments on that?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It is? It is a tricky area because I have
you know, I don't know who this persons. I don't
want to, but they're coming into it going, ah, we
have to fix everything. We have to make everything new,
because there's there's liability. If you fix a few things
and just kind of parsely repair it as a professional,
then there is that problem.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
There's a knock on effect too, effect on other bits
of the housing, housing structure exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So, But in another way you could also argue, like
you are, we could do repairs and maintenance and keep
things as out. It's really about you know, clarifying. You know,
they should have clarified what you your requirements are.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So where you're going to? Where is it? Where is
it about the brief being making sure a body, corporate
or whoever it is, gives an accurate brief to an
architect is looking at something.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think it's it's the responsibility of both the client
and the architect to establish a brief at the beginning
and make it very clear what the scope is. It's
it's hard without you know, seeing potentially what problems could arise,
but that that's probably the angle they've gone down. But
(31:56):
if you can, it's almost like something to get a
second opinion on, you know, like someone that's expert at reclouding,
so that you can see whether or not it's going
to be a problem down the track.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Where are you at with it all now? Alan what
are you going to?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Where we're at with it now? Is that, Yes, there
were some structural problems. There were some balcony supporting posts
that had rusted through because they weren't supplied as galvanized
as specified, and okay, they rusted through, so I've already
had them replacement. That cost a total of five thousand
(32:33):
dollars and the rest of the stuff is relatively minor.
And the whole bill's going to be for the Body
corporate about twenty five thousand spread over the eight units. Now,
that's a whole lot less than four and a bit million,
isn't it. I think it's absolutely scandalous that this architect
(32:57):
sugjected to these eight owners who knew nothing about building,
that they needed to spend four a bit really dollars
to bring their building up to scratch. And it was
out of bullsh.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I'm not We do need to, man, we do need
to Alan Alan, Alan, Wait, Allan, that's okay. I don't
want to happen there. I think we might have. I
think we might have actually dumped Allen's call there.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So, yes, anyway, sad experience for him, obviously, but it's
the it's a kind of complication between redoing something and
repairs and maintenance, which is kind of it fits into
that do Y aspect as well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Anyway, we'll take another call in just a moment. We'll
be back shortly. It's thirteen and a half minutes to five. Yes,
news talks be before the property the week we was
haven't has taken another call, Brent good A.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, goody, good day, Thanks for taking the call. I
got trapped with a with a leaky building, a very
expensive leaky house on the shore about twenty years ago,
so actually had to upscale very very quickly and learn
all about building, et cetera, in order to win a
court case. But so now so yeah, unfortunately it was
(34:16):
a very prominent builder and a very prominent architect.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Just for my sight, we'll keep the names out.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, prominent, I said, yeah, yeah,
but probably I think they were slightly naive too with
the modern plaster construction, so I think they were much
as a victim of the modern look as anyone else.
But anyway, we got out of that and now we're
in a a rotten old timber villa and green lane.
(34:44):
That was a big move.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're very resilient though, those villas.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah. So now so now I'm looking at a row
of four terrace houses business, and I agree with you,
this mixture of maperials is madness. So this has got
vertical like a hard the board type product, mental product,
and then that that's vertical on part of it. Then
(35:12):
there's black color steel vertical color steel on another part
of it, and then down the bottom is brick, and
then the roof is sort of you know, quite tall,
triangular sort of roof at the top with some internal
gutters and disaster its you. I mean, you can smell
(35:33):
it from here. But the thing is they've been on
the market for five months and they haven't sold any
of them, and I kind of looks like maybe the
maybe people are beginning to realize. But my my biggest
issue with them, I don't mind if people buy them.
How is anyone going to do maintenance on them in
the future when the three stories high correct?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of it's just and
good design is absorbs all those things. So the whole
idea of designing something well is that you're thinking about
the building into the future. And I've been doing this
for so long that I've gone back to buildings I've
done twenty years ago. There's still there. They're not leaking
with you, thank god. And you start to realize, you
(36:17):
know why you make certain choices about materials. I like
to have gutters on the outside of a building, not
internal gutters, and all these really simple things that make
some building resilient. Like Auckland, it's about water. Really, it's
just water everywhere. Yeah, we have a saying in the
office it's like water. You can't stop water because it
just goes where it goes. So we really think about
(36:37):
where the water's going, you know how, like drainage on
the site, all those things, and that's the biggest thing
you can do in order yea water.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Right, we'll be back in just actually'm not going to
be back in just moment. It is seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
To five, the one roof property of the week on
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
It's interesting this one is probably the week because I
think when we chose it, we didn't know we're gonna
have an architect in the building. Because it's an architecturally,
it's curious, it's a beach property, and it says, basically,
this is your chance to secure an exceptional beachfront property
where every day begins with the sound of waves and
ends with golden sunsets, which is probably the thing because
(37:17):
it is it's a quirky sort of design with a
bit of a scoop that's sort of a bit of
an arch sort of seal roof to it. It's an
entairoua Thames Cormandle. It's ninety two Ocean Beach Road and
it was last sold on the market in nineteen ninety six,
And I guess, is there room? How do we describe it?
I'm going to hand it over to you, Daniel, how
(37:39):
do you describe it?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, I think quirky is a really good way
of describing it. I think it looks to me like
it was a ninety sort of design, well early eighties.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But it would last on the market ninety six. And
imagine maybe that was not long after it was belt out.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah maybe not maybe maybe forced sale. But you know,
we're talking about complexity and how that can caused problems,
and there's a lot of sort of complexity you know
with some of the so that structure in saying that
what a site, you know, what a beautiful place.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well that actually, how much does I've seen some hor
horrible designs at the beach. But in the end, if
you wake up and you see the sunset and the
crashing waves.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
True, yeah, I mean there. I've been at houses where
the beach is there, but the way the windows are
set up, you can't actually see that. You can't see
the water's at least you if you're under.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, what are the I just we've got a couple
of minutes to go by the way that property is
if you want to go and check it out. It
as a ninety two Ocean beach Road tyro or Thames, Crimandle.
The value that the expectation, I think is around three
million dollars, which I guess for I hate to say
for a for a beach property, that sounds like it's
cheaper than usual, because three million dollars is a hell
(38:51):
of a lot of money. But there you go. It's
a big site to Yeah, it's a massive, massive sight.
Maybe that's beautiful. Maybe such a great spot it is,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Just quickly for people who think they can't afford an architect, Okay,
you're doing a bit of DIY. What are the simple
things it would be worth? You know? Spending maybe I
don't know one two three, four thousand dollars getting some
design advice for a renovation, just to get someone to
have a look at it and make some suggestions. Is it.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, those people, you know, we're sort of been doing
it a long time, and you can have insights that
you wouldn't When you live in a house, it kind
of gets in your head and you can't think of
easy things that you could fix. So sometimes someone else
coming in from a new perspective can just say why
do you do this? This and this, and this can
be the process that you take, so it doesn't with
(39:42):
an alteration. I mean, houses basically just sticks mostly, and
so if you go all in, it's really expensive and
so you either have to go I've got to do
these few simple changes which can change my life. And
decks are great for this sort of thing. You build
a new deck that's sort of three meters three and
a half meters wide, and you've got another room that
you've just added on. But do a few small things
(40:06):
and that's kind of measurable, and.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And do it because I think a lot of people
are scared to call architects and say this is what
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know, it's not a huge job going to end
up costing four million.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, but I mean that's the thing. I mean, people
shouldn't be afraid to pick up the phone and say, look,
would you have someone who can come and have a
look at this? And what would I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The whole thing is might be a few hours and
there's a look different different people charge different amounts, but
it's so valuable.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, hey, hey, thanks for coming in, Daniel. Great to
have you mate about it. I'm going to pick your
brains for in just a second anywhere anyway. We'll be
back in just a moment with John Cown talking about
the good moments. Those magic moments are make parenting all worthwhile.
It is three minutes to five news Talk said be.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
For more from the weekend collective.
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thought it might be nice to spend a moment actually
talking about the greatest moments in parenting where that make
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I can't wait for the kids to leave home and
(01:22):
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So right now though it is the one roof radio show,
and a reminder that we want your calls and comments
and participation on that magic number eight hundred eighty, ten
and eighty. So a few weeks ago there is a
heritage style developer pre sold most of its eight planned
colonial style weatherboard townhouses in two Auckland projects and they
(02:07):
basically it's a I don't want to say cookie cutter design,
but it is. It's a sort of Yeah, it's reviving
certain styles of homes that are prevalent in other subjects suburbs.
But of course, as you've seen with different developments, you
have a suburb full of similarly designed houses. Sometimes can
make the uniformity well, it's either for you or it's
(02:28):
not for you, you know, especially if they're all bunched
up together with housing plans to intensify and everything and
rules around what you can even change. So if you
made any changes, if you were enable to, you probably
make your stick out like a sore thumb. So we
wanted your take. If you are either an investor or
(02:48):
someone who's looking for somewhere to live, does it matter
at all whether you're part of looking at a new
development where everything's your neighbors are exactly the same as
the other or do you prefer a little bit of
an individuality. And we're also going to have a chat
about DIY projects and all that and what we might
want to bring in an architect for so a bunch
(03:09):
of things to get our heads around. And joining us.
He's a new guest on the show. He's owner director
of Daniel Marshall Architects, and surprise, surprise, his name is
actually Daniel Marshall and he's with me now. Gooday Daniel,
how are you going?
Speaker 2 (03:22):
How are you good?
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Things?
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Hey? So you're an architect m yes, have been since
well nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Actually wow, yeah, it's quite some time. It must have
been a child bride when it came to going to
architecture school.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Where it takes for a long time to learn.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, yeah, what attracted you to architecture in the first place.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
I think it was my kind of childhood obsession with
lego and stationary, you know, because those two things kind
of drove my direction.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
So and when you say childhood obsession, does this go
back to before you could speak sort of thing like
always building things?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah, just building things, loving to kind of create things
and draw little plans, and yeah, it was kind of
a destiny really, it.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Was it something that you appear parents might have thought,
I think he's going to be a builder or an architect.
Speaker 2 (04:08):
Well, my mother was an art teacher and my father
was an engineer, so it was quite a good middle ground.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Gosh, it was almost a genetic coupling, isn't it. You
sort of met.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah, well my brother's a doctor, so that's completely out
of left field.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But there we go. So what made you think apart
from you know, like building things, and plenty of boys
loved playing in the sandpit and playing with models and
planes and buildings and lego, But what what was the
journey for you to actually deciding this is this is life?
You know, this is something I really want to pursue.
Speaker 2 (04:37):
Well, we were just encouraged obviously to go to university,
so it seemed like a very logical choice. And I
really loved space, and over time, you know, became more
passionate about how space makes you feel and you know
how it can completely change your environment.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
When you mean space, you're talking about living space post
to Richard Dawkin, sort of out of space.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
Yeah, correct, Yes, the places that we had habit and
when I was young, my friends John Scott, who's a
great Marie architect in Hawk's Bay, and I realized that
the way you put the buildings together just made you
feel different. So for me that that was really a
catalyst for wanting to do that as well.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
And so what was your journey? I mean, you obviously
went to architecture, did a degree in architecture I'm guessing,
or yes, straight out of school and then.
Speaker 2 (05:28):
Yeah, straight out of school, so it was a literal trip.
But then when I finished architects to school, I decided
I didn't want to do architecture. Know, I was looking
at advertising really yeah, it's kind of similar, you know,
And I had an interview I think was at Sarchi's
and they said I think you're a bit nihilistic to
be an Really, Wow, that's quite I took it as
(05:50):
a compliment.
Speaker 1 (05:51):
Yeah, So actually along the way, what did you're pre
you would have Everyone has preconceptions about it what a
career is like, and then there's a reality what it's
been like, what's what's your journey being in terms of
you know, what you're expecting it to be and what
you've ended up doing.
Speaker 2 (06:08):
Well, there's so many offshoots and passways and this sort
of thing, so it's quite a complicated thing to do
because there's lots of moving parts, you know, regulatory change
and the design and the client and the builder and
the team. So there's so many little complexities that it
keeps you very occupied all the time. So I think
it has become a life mission, I guess. And you
(06:31):
have different feelings about how you're doing over different times.
So I think I've got to a point where I'm
reasonably calm and not too competitive.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
In terms of creating what a client wants as well,
and you have your own personal taste, I mean, that's
part of it. I mean this is by the way,
if you're listening, you can join us anytime. If you've
got any questions you'd like to ask out Daniel, But
we're just going to get on. We're just going to
get to know them a little bit as part of
this opening part of the show. But when people are
choosing an architect, often they will have seen well, one
(07:04):
word of mouth, friends who you know, and let's face it,
doing an individual new build, it's not sort of entry
level stuff necessarily.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Well it's getting harder and harder.
Speaker 1 (07:12):
Yeah, exactly. But people will have word of mouth, they'll
have seen something you've built. But the problem is if
you've built something, there's a house in my neighborhood that
if I won the lotto, that would be my sort
of starting point. But of course the architect will be like,
well we've done that. I mean, how do you balance
(07:33):
how does that all work in terms of your your
own personal sort of flavors and expertise versus you know,
doing something new and original and you're still building a house.
You're not building a spaceship.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Are you. No? No, it's still you know, there's a
land and the limits and opportunities of what the site's like.
And also you know, people do come to with something
that they've seen and that they love, so I kind
of like to think of them like kind of brothers
and cousins, I suppose. So there's certain street of houses
(08:05):
that are kind of quite closely related and the odd
one that kind of starts a whole new direction.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I guess.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Also, a build a particular location can change everything anyway.
Like I might look at a house in my neighborhood
and go, I love the look of that. But as
soon as you see the site, it changes everything because
the driveway is going to be in a different direction,
maybe north and south and east and west and all that,
and it just changes instantly, I guess. Of course.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah. Out of client on Wahaki and they at the
end of it, she said, we gave you a brief
for a flat site, but the site was a cliff, so,
you know, so I had to kind of manage that
to do all the things they wanted to for so flatness, What.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Did you do? Did you have to put it on stilts?
Speaker 2 (08:47):
No, I know you had a bit of digging, but
it was just sort of terraced down and then it
was all covered by this one big roof so that
you're connected on the top end at the bottom. So
it kind of worked.
Speaker 1 (08:58):
Let's get now. I mentioned as part of my intro
talking about the cookie cutter housing designs and actually look
biggest he chooses. But we we bought from our landlord,
the place we live in, and I like the fact that,
you know, okay, it's probably needed some work. We had
to replace the roof, but I like that we're gradually
doing our own thing with it. And I like that
even though it's one of four so it does have
(09:20):
some you know, similarities, I could, I don't think, And
I'm by the way, this conversation is always difficult because
everyone's personal tastes are different and artistic things can lead
to people giving or taking offense. But I couldn't have bought,
to be honest, I don't. It would have taken a
lot for me to buy in a development where every
house is either a similar shade, and I knew that,
(09:43):
you know, here's Here's the example I think of is
that if you invited a neighbor around, they wouldn't have
to know where they wouldn't have to ask you where
the toilet was. They just know exactly where it was
because it's up on the stairs, second on the right.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Absolutely, And I think you know it's an interesting. There's
a whole lot you could talk about this for ours,
but there's lots of different points of view. But if
you think about villas, they were the original cookie.
Speaker 1 (10:04):
Cutter and then that become of course, the Pontsanbi villa
exactly is now an option. It's something you desire.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Yeah, well you can't you know, you can't knock it down.
It's protected. Yeah, but the same thing sort of happens
if you walk down a street with all the villas,
you can never remember which house your friend lives in.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Yeah, I mean, what what is that? What do you
make of architecture that nott look because architectures so many things,
But what do you make of these massive developments where
for economy of scale, obviously everything is sort of the same.
I mean, the Fletcher ones, there's the Stonefield ones an
obvious one, although you know there's a bit of variety
there with terrace houses and standalons and apartments and all that.
(10:46):
But what's what's your take on what you see around
the place.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, there's you know, obviously a huge range. I mean, okay,
what do you love about that's about that?
Speaker 1 (10:57):
You know, some of their developments and what would you
say problems.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Problems were kind of in that scheme of the little
tiny terrace houses that kind of go stacking up forever,
and they've got like fifty different materials on them, which
is risky, you know, it's kind of a high risk
way of doing it. So they try to be like, oh,
I've got all this material but they kind of look
really terrible and the amenity of them is terrible. So
the relationship to the street all those elements which make
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good urban design. So there's two different aspects. There's one
of the architecture of the individual building, but also the
design for everyone. And so often buildings like that don't
consider either really, so that people inside kind of feel
a bit miserable.
Speaker 1 (11:40):
So what's an example of what makes the miseram And
you talk about amenity because one for instance, and I'm
going to jump around a bit because I'm not the
expert on us, London's full of uniformity with the Georgian houses,
terrace and things. What makes apart from the fact that
they're in the posious suburbs, but what makes a house,
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say in London and some of those you know, houses
that are all the same in fact that you can't
change them what makes them okay? And other developments which
are based on uniformity not okay specifically.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Well, it's how I kind of you do it yourself
spirit I think. I mean, if in a city you
have to think of it as a landscape, like New
York City for instance, the individual buildings if you start
looking at them, a lot of them a terrible but
the fact that there's you know, the height and the
scale creates a landscape. And the same with London. You know,
so the texture and the relationship to the street, all
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those things works rarely successfully in that context if we
it's almost an argument for cookie cutter it away. If
you have good design guidelines and it rules around outdoor
space and the relationship to the street and enough density,
then you're getting a nice, happy population that's kind of
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cruising around.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Yeah, what about so what I mean? What should people
if they are looking for a first time and a
lot of first time buyers are looking at either apartments
or all those intensive new developments. Yeah, if you were
helping someone choose something, what would you be looking for
for a home that would work for them that they
would be happy in.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Yeah, it's it's a colleague in my office recently bought
in a development that and it was designed by an architect.
It's amongst you know, I think it's Mount Roscoll and
there's quite a lot of bad development's kind of in
that area. But it was really thoughtfully considered. You know,
the material was simple, look great, and it was just
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kind of the way everything was laid out made you
feel good. And I think, you know, ultimately you have
to kind of think, how does this Why does it.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Make you feel good?
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Though?
Speaker 1 (13:44):
Because I mean, I'm sure that's what Arctic study. I mean,
you can have all the theory in the world, but
if somebody walks in and goes, oh, something not right here.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, we were chatting, you know, talking about AO before,
and you know, they've they've identified all of the things
that make people feel good about space, so they're kind
of writing programs to go, how do you do this
so it can be identified. Yeah, I'm kind of more intuitive,
so I just kind of, you know, think of it.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
But but if you look at something that you do,
that you either do or don't like, and you must
in the end be able to work out why you
do or do. You just know you're quite instinctive sort
of architect.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
It's kind of I think it's it's an instinct in
terms of the balance of materials and shape. You know,
so if you've got a little, you know, little mean
space with a window that kind of you know, kind
of opens, there's no outdoor space, all those elements make
you feel more confined and you know, like and the
kitchen's in a funny place because the design is you know,
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kind of a rational layout of small space can be
really great. If you think of a yacht, you know,
they're they're tiny, but they've got a lot of you know,
stuff laid out in a beautiful way.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Well, it's like a tiny home movement, which is a
lot I mean, the tiny home movement is quite interesting
because a lot of the tiny hams that are built
as tiny hams maybe not as tiny.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
As or they're a bit too tidy. So it's like
fan life, you know, you have to have to be
pretty organized to kind of live in a really tiny space.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
I mean, what if you had young people looking for
a first time buy is looking for I mean, where
would if you were a young bar actually would you
be still looking for something that was old with it
had a bit of movement to do to your own
thing with or would you actually be going because there's
something about the fact that there's a new build it's
hopefully not going to need any maintenance. Although we have
some some negative headlines about those.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Yeah, there are still, you know, issues with certain builders.
I mean, the regulation has become really strict about building
guidelines and it's about to change again, so that could
that could could be a whole new world. But there
is still bad practice happening and overly complicated design and
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not really considered design, so you get these funny little
gutters and funny little flashings. So there is a risk
in those buildings. So it would be a very good
idea to get someone that a builder or building inspectors,
just someone to kind of have a look.
Speaker 1 (16:09):
At a neighborhood, local development and say what do you
make of this?
Speaker 2 (16:12):
Exactly what do you see? Could be a problem.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Because for the novice, any sort of new plan off
the face of it can look like all that looks good.
I mean to be honest, I mean, some people walking
and they see a child bathroom with a new toilet,
they go, that looks flash done.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Bath Yeah, Oh well, you know, yeah, we'd love your
cause on this, by the way, cookie designer neighborhoods. What
do you make of them? If you're if you're a
new buyer or you're looking to relocate or anything. Are
you attractive to the newness of these places and you
don't really care about the fact that they're the same?
Or are there things that you look for that make
you think, maybe I'll look for something that's got a
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bit more individuality, maybe it's a few years old. What
do you make of it? Our cookie designer, cookie cutter housing,
cookie design I got them all over the place, cookie
cutter housing designs. Do you love them more? Do you
load them? O?
Speaker 3 (17:01):
W e.
Speaker 1 (17:01):
One hundred and eighty ten eighty. But also we've got
Daniel Marshall with us, who was an architect. If you've
got any particular questions, it's always difficult to describe things
on radio, but if you've got a few things just
about matching materials and the type of construction and even diy,
we'd love to hear from you. Eight hundred eighty ten eighty.
It's twenty four past four News talks 'B News Talk
(17:23):
Said B with Tim Beveridge and my guest is Daniel Marshall,
he's an architect basically has given this big, long description.
So eight hundred eighty ten eighty. We'd love your calls
on any questions you've got from but we're talking about
cockie cutter housing designs. In fact, I'll run a couple
of text past you, Daniel for your response to it,
because I know I'm aware that you know, when we're
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talking about architecture and building and stuff, there are a
lot of people who think that architects text here, architects
are just for the rich? Is that true?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It would be great if that wasn't the case, And
I think there's there's examples of you know, like the
one that took them from my office bought it was
we came a crossing, a very well known architect worked
with the developer came up with a really good result.
So I think there's a lot of the problem is
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individual houses obviously cost of fourteen so, but there's a
lot of scope for developers to see the value in
architects for this kind of those smaller sort of terrorist
house type developments like the christ whos folk that you're
talking of, they don't they just don't really see the
value they've got an in house design team, I think,
and they you know, they don't see the value that
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we can bring to a project.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
So what how have they done it? Have they gone about?
Is this the townhouse of the weatherboard sort of style
colonial style townhouses?
Speaker 2 (18:48):
I'm not sure which of the cross ups folks, but
generally they would use what they call a licensed building practitioner,
who is there's the drawings, it's the building code, but
might not have had that kind of architectural training that
you know that you get.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
I mean for something what I mean that sort of
what are people looking for? Do you think with first
homes and at that lower end of the market, because
I guess for some people box number one is clean
and dry and waterproof, yes, with warm and warm and
you know, I guess if you're listening, how important does
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the design aspect to it? Is there a layout where
you'd look at it and go, I don't like the
look of that, or is that your prime thing? But
those things? Of course, if you're looking for a first house,
you're just looking for a roof over your head up
to a point, aren't you?
Speaker 2 (19:34):
Well, something at a reasonable cost. You know, my first
house was an apartment in Brooklyn apartment in town, so
old building but stable, you know, So you're looking for
something that doesn't look like it's going to be a
problem in the future.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
What are the things that you should look at with
some of them the I'm going to stop using the
word cookie cutter. Let's just say some of the uniform
developments where one house is based on the next one,
when they're all still of similar, are there particular things
that you that you should be aware of, because go
back to the leaky homes. When you look back on
the leaky homes, you sort of think, how did no
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one see this?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
But that was certainly a perfect storm.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Yeah it was, wasn't it.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
Yeah, Well, there's you know, the apprentices had gone. Everyone
forgot how to build, designers forgot how to detail things,
so and the producers and materials were just saying that
spray on plaster will be fine.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, and so do you reckon? It was completely foreseeable. Really,
people who were.
Speaker 2 (20:35):
Just like that's kind of yeah, absolutely. I mean there
were people like Iluckily had builders, you know, they're talking
to and they said, you know, I think we should
do it like this. I think we should have that
on a cavity, all these different things that we sort
of adopted before became a regulations. So yeah, a lot
of a lot of bullets dodged there.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
So I regulate. Are the regulations enough these days or
do you think that you still there are still things
as a buyer that you need to look out for
with new builds.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Well, it's you know, there's there's regulation, and there's is
how something is drawn, but then there's also how it's built.
And so a really good builder does a fantastic job
and even if something is really complicated, you know they've
sorted it all out. If it's built in not quite
as careful a way, and you can kind of see that,
you can sort of see things they're a little bit
crooked or you know, you just got to look at
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this sort of detail and see how well it's been
put together.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
How oh, how would just because when you walk into
a house, there's so much for someone who's looking for
a house, they walk in and all they see is
that they see paint. They say, it's been presented with furniture, kitchen.
They'll be looking at what their appliants are. What are
you what if you're taking something taking someone around you're
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looking at something, What are you looking for?
Speaker 2 (21:51):
Well, I look, when a building's finished, we do a
process where we go through all the defects and note
all the little bits of paint, so you get this
kind of obsessive little look. So you're looking for like
things that are kind of dem it all little bits
because it just kind of speaks to the quality of
how how it's all finished, which talks about how the
whole building was thought about you by the construction team.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Is are there particular things you look for that if
something that you haven't designed to build and you're looking
around at it at you you're hoping a young person
buy a place, What do you when you walk in?
What are you What are you looking at straight away
those little things? Or are you looking at do you
look up like, for instance, you're going to the front
door and you look at the eaves and the gutters
and things.
Speaker 2 (22:33):
First, what, Yeah, you look at the outside. You know
you want it to stay warm and dry, so look
at that. You know, like if there's kind of these
hoky gutters all over the place or a hundred different materials,
you know that's they're red flags.
Speaker 1 (22:47):
What about I mean in terms of materials. Doesn't the
regulations cover things off safely enough or yeah?
Speaker 2 (22:56):
I think generally, I mean that they are changing where
there's the option of alternate certification from other countries. With
the way the government going, which I think is competition
is great in terms of reducing costs. If we can
reduce cost of building or come up with innovative techniques,
you can build them cheaper and then more people can
afford to live in them and they can be a
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better quality.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
And so let's get on to a little bit about
the balance between getting an architectural device but also you
know the y key we DIY thing. Yeah, by the way,
do you think that DIY sort of spirit is still
as alive and well as much as it might have
been twenty or thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
Well, there was some outliers of the DIY world that
kind of you know, might have ruined it for everyone else.
Speaker 1 (23:42):
But are you talking about the TV programs?
Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well, yeah, we'll just people just you know, go go
wild with building stuff. And so the regulation has really
shut down the options of what you can do now,
and I think with your question with the designer or
an architect, it has really got a few are looking
at doing DIY too. Get advice at the beginning, have
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a vision, you know, for the full process of of
what you want to do with this with this house,
because if you start doing one thing and then you know,
come around again. My dad was he's an engineer, and
so he kind of started at one corner of the
house and made his way all the way around the house,
and then by the time he got there and then
he kind of stayed again. So it's like a rotation.
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And so you hadn't looked at the whole overview, I think,
you know, And so that's really important. So if you
can get someone to give you advice at the beginning,
you know, it's a very short amount of time depending
on what it is. So that's that's a big one.
Then look at what you are allowed to do. So
the website of you know, the building code kind of websites,
(24:50):
you can look it up quite easily. You know, the
AI will tell you what you can and cannot.
Speaker 1 (24:54):
Do as AI. Actually we won't get what we can
get onto AI designing your house. In fact, that was
one of the things I asked you were just off
here because I was in fact, did suggesce something to me?
Which I thought was quite clean and simple and something
we should have thought of ages ago. But in terms
of knowing the regulations of US, so I said to AI,
what are the restrictments of what I can do di
(25:15):
Y in New Zealand for my bathroom? Would it probably
give me a fairly good starter on advice there?
Speaker 2 (25:21):
It would definitely pay to check, but it can give
you a good overview and it might point you in
the way in the direction to go. So there is
actually a ministry of business in the enterprise. There's actually
a checklist kind of website what can I not do
or what can I do? So it tells you all
the different things you can do.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
Okay, what are the what are the absolutely no nos?
Then from when it comes to DIY just I mean,
I've talked to you about we did our bathroom and
we got someone to help with the design of that,
which was which was helpful in terms of in fact
our tyler thought ahead on the consent for the bathroom
by providing us with a certificant I realized I had
to sort that out as well. What are there are
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certain pitfalls you've got to make sure you avoid, aren't there?
Speaker 2 (26:04):
Absolute? I mean, that's why And they change all the time,
so it's really important to check. But the things like
you know, like for like, unless it's in the bathroom
and you could change plumbing, fittings all those things. As
long as it's not a wet area, you can take
you know, you're bought off. You can replace a window
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as long as it's as good as the original thing was.
So say you had single glazing, you could ugly joinery.
You could just put in new jowinery sort of fix
it as long as it's higher or as the same
as the standard.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
They would be highly likely anyway, because modern joinery and
windows are absolutely you know, we've got a couple of
windows where you tap them and it's got that sort
of three or four millimeters.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
To it from air coming through. I mean, that's how
Villain survived so long, really is because they just let
the air through the whole time.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Is it because they're drafting?
Speaker 2 (27:03):
They're drafted.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
It's the secret to villa.
Speaker 2 (27:05):
Yeah, when you seal everything up and if water gets
in then it's stuck there.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
So but with villas, does that create a different Does
that create a difficulty for renovating villas anyway?
Speaker 2 (27:14):
I think it does. I think they have to be
really careful and you're to really do when you're renovating,
because the modern technology is all about closing everything up.
While they were just you know, they just flapped around
to the breeze. So you have to watch out for moisture,
whether it's coming from inside you know, people having their
showers and everything else, or from the outside.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Okay, look we're going to take a break. If you've
got any questions for Daniel Marshall. He's a new guest
on the show. He's an architect, he's under director of
Daniel Marshall Architects. Any questions around your property or things
you're thinking about doing and want a bit of a
bit of advice and give us a call. Weight one
hundred eighty ten eighty. It is twenty two and a
half minutes to five newstalks hed B News Talks. He'd
be with Timberverageol eight hundred eighty ten eighty with Daniel
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Marshall tooking architecture Cookie out of Designs. By the way,
if you're looking for a property, would you be looking
for a new development which can still come with it
some sort of aablishment, sort of errors and you will
have might have seen a story in the media which
said that the number of In fact, I'll bring Daniel
Marshall in on this. There was something recently about the
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number of eras they were in the construction of new
builds was quite startling, wasn't it. Did you see that?
Speaker 2 (28:20):
I didn't see the data, but I didn't see the data,
But that does not surprise me at all. Yeah. Yeah,
I think there's such a range obviously, of the quality
of the way things are built.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Yeah, right, taking your cause, Allan? Hello, hang on, Allan.
For some reason, you're talking, but I can't hear.
Speaker 4 (28:43):
Can you hear me? Now? Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Being go, there we go?
Speaker 4 (28:47):
Right, Hi?
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Ellen?
Speaker 4 (28:51):
Yeah, Hi, here you go?
Speaker 2 (28:52):
Could they good?
Speaker 4 (28:56):
I've got a bit of a problem with the architect.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And hopefully not all of us.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Ah well, hopefully not.
Speaker 3 (29:04):
Now.
Speaker 4 (29:05):
The most current problem is the block of eight units
that I'm working on. I bought a four level apart
munch which needed doing up, and the guy was desperate
to sell it because the architect had recommended a reclad
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and replacing ballusters that didn't need replacing and doing a
whole other stuff for about four million dollars.
Speaker 1 (29:39):
Now, actually, by the way, that you actually mean literally
four million dollars. Don't you as oppose?
Speaker 4 (29:44):
I mean literally over four million dollars. Anyway, I said
to the body cooked Tuman, I'm a builder of fifty
three years experience, and I said to the body cook chairman, look,
in my opinion, why don't we just do what needs doing,
which was some structural posts and a few bits and pieces.
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And we've already done the structural post that costs five
grand for all sixteen of them. And you know, because
I use my contacts to get the best prices where
I can, the whole budget for all the repairs that
need doing and to make the place look nice, including
finishing coats of paint, etc. Is going to be more
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like twenty five grand. Now, I think it's absolutely scandalous
that this architect could recommend to a whole bunch of
people who knew nothing about buildings that they spend over
four million dollars. What are your comments on that?
Speaker 2 (30:43):
It is? It is a tricky area because I have
you know, I don't know who this persons. I don't
want to, but they're coming into it going, ah, we
have to fix everything. We have to make everything new,
because there's there's liability. If you fix a few things
and just kind of parsely repair it as a professional,
then there is that problem.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
There's a knock on effect too, effect on other bits
of the housing, housing structure exactly.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
So, But in another way you could also argue, like
you are, we could do repairs and maintenance and keep
things as out. It's really about you know, clarifying. You know,
they should have clarified what you your requirements are.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
So where you're going to? Where is it? Where is
it about the brief being making sure a body, corporate
or whoever it is, gives an accurate brief to an
architect is looking at something.
Speaker 2 (31:35):
I think it's it's the responsibility of both the client
and the architect to establish a brief at the beginning
and make it very clear what the scope is. It's
it's hard without you know, seeing potentially what problems could arise,
but that that's probably the angle they've gone down. But
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if you can, it's almost like something to get a
second opinion on, you know, like someone that's expert at reclouding,
so that you can see whether or not it's going
to be a problem down the track.
Speaker 1 (32:08):
Where are you at with it all now? Alan what
are you going to?
Speaker 4 (32:12):
Where we're at with it now? Is that, Yes, there
were some structural problems. There were some balcony supporting posts
that had rusted through because they weren't supplied as galvanized
as specified, and okay, they rusted through, so I've already
had them replacement. That cost a total of five thousand
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dollars and the rest of the stuff is relatively minor.
And the whole bill's going to be for the Body
corporate about twenty five thousand spread over the eight units. Now,
that's a whole lot less than four and a bit million,
isn't it. I think it's absolutely scandalous that this architect
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sugjected to these eight owners who knew nothing about building,
that they needed to spend four a bit really dollars
to bring their building up to scratch. And it was
out of bullsh.
Speaker 1 (33:11):
I'm not We do need to, man, we do need
to Alan Alan, Alan, Wait, Allan, that's okay. I don't
want to happen there. I think we might have. I
think we might have actually dumped Allen's call there.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
So, yes, anyway, sad experience for him, obviously, but it's
the it's a kind of complication between redoing something and
repairs and maintenance, which is kind of it fits into
that do Y aspect as well.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
Anyway, we'll take another call in just a moment. We'll
be back shortly. It's thirteen and a half minutes to five. Yes,
news talks be before the property the week we was
haven't has taken another call, Brent good A.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Yeah, goody, good day, Thanks for taking the call. I
got trapped with a with a leaky building, a very
expensive leaky house on the shore about twenty years ago,
so actually had to upscale very very quickly and learn
all about building, et cetera, in order to win a
court case. But so now so yeah, unfortunately it was
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a very prominent builder and a very prominent architect.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
Just for my sight, we'll keep the names out.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, prominent, I said, yeah, yeah,
but probably I think they were slightly naive too with
the modern plaster construction, so I think they were much
as a victim of the modern look as anyone else.
But anyway, we got out of that and now we're
in a a rotten old timber villa and green lane.
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That was a big move.
Speaker 2 (34:46):
They're very resilient though, those villas.
Speaker 3 (34:50):
Yeah. So now so now I'm looking at a row
of four terrace houses business, and I agree with you,
this mixture of maperials is madness. So this has got
vertical like a hard the board type product, mental product,
and then that that's vertical on part of it. Then
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there's black color steel vertical color steel on another part
of it, and then down the bottom is brick, and
then the roof is sort of you know, quite tall,
triangular sort of roof at the top with some internal
gutters and disaster its you. I mean, you can smell
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it from here. But the thing is they've been on
the market for five months and they haven't sold any
of them, and I kind of looks like maybe the
maybe people are beginning to realize. But my my biggest
issue with them, I don't mind if people buy them.
How is anyone going to do maintenance on them in
the future when the three stories high correct?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean there's a lot of it's just and
good design is absorbs all those things. So the whole
idea of designing something well is that you're thinking about
the building into the future. And I've been doing this
for so long that I've gone back to buildings I've
done twenty years ago. There's still there. They're not leaking
with you, thank god. And you start to realize, you
(36:17):
know why you make certain choices about materials. I like
to have gutters on the outside of a building, not
internal gutters, and all these really simple things that make
some building resilient. Like Auckland, it's about water. Really, it's
just water everywhere. Yeah, we have a saying in the
office it's like water. You can't stop water because it
just goes where it goes. So we really think about
(36:37):
where the water's going, you know how, like drainage on
the site, all those things, and that's the biggest thing
you can do in order yea water.
Speaker 1 (36:45):
Right, we'll be back in just actually'm not going to
be back in just moment. It is seven minutes.
Speaker 2 (36:49):
To five, the one roof property of the week on
the Weekend Collective.
Speaker 1 (36:56):
It's interesting this one is probably the week because I
think when we chose it, we didn't know we're gonna
have an architect in the building. Because it's an architecturally,
it's curious, it's a beach property, and it says, basically,
this is your chance to secure an exceptional beachfront property
where every day begins with the sound of waves and
ends with golden sunsets, which is probably the thing because
(37:17):
it is it's a quirky sort of design with a
bit of a scoop that's sort of a bit of
an arch sort of seal roof to it. It's an
entairoua Thames Cormandle. It's ninety two Ocean Beach Road and
it was last sold on the market in nineteen ninety six,
And I guess, is there room? How do we describe it?
I'm going to hand it over to you, Daniel, how
(37:39):
do you describe it?
Speaker 2 (37:39):
I mean, I think quirky is a really good way
of describing it. I think it looks to me like
it was a ninety sort of design, well early eighties.
Speaker 1 (37:49):
But it would last on the market ninety six. And
imagine maybe that was not long after it was belt out.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
Yeah maybe not maybe maybe forced sale. But you know,
we're talking about complexity and how that can caused problems,
and there's a lot of sort of complexity you know
with some of the so that structure in saying that
what a site, you know, what a beautiful place.
Speaker 1 (38:09):
Well that actually, how much does I've seen some hor
horrible designs at the beach. But in the end, if
you wake up and you see the sunset and the
crashing waves.
Speaker 2 (38:19):
True, yeah, I mean there. I've been at houses where
the beach is there, but the way the windows are
set up, you can't actually see that. You can't see
the water's at least you if you're under.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
Yeah, what are the I just we've got a couple
of minutes to go by the way that property is
if you want to go and check it out. It
as a ninety two Ocean beach Road tyro or Thames, Crimandle.
The value that the expectation, I think is around three
million dollars, which I guess for I hate to say
for a for a beach property, that sounds like it's
cheaper than usual, because three million dollars is a hell
(38:51):
of a lot of money. But there you go. It's
a big site to Yeah, it's a massive, massive sight.
Maybe that's beautiful. Maybe such a great spot it is,
isn't it.
Speaker 2 (39:00):
Hey?
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Just quickly for people who think they can't afford an architect, Okay,
you're doing a bit of DIY. What are the simple
things it would be worth? You know? Spending maybe I
don't know one two three, four thousand dollars getting some
design advice for a renovation, just to get someone to
have a look at it and make some suggestions. Is it.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
Well, those people, you know, we're sort of been doing
it a long time, and you can have insights that
you wouldn't When you live in a house, it kind
of gets in your head and you can't think of
easy things that you could fix. So sometimes someone else
coming in from a new perspective can just say why
do you do this? This and this, and this can
be the process that you take, so it doesn't with
(39:42):
an alteration. I mean, houses basically just sticks mostly, and
so if you go all in, it's really expensive and
so you either have to go I've got to do
these few simple changes which can change my life. And
decks are great for this sort of thing. You build
a new deck that's sort of three meters three and
a half meters wide, and you've got another room that
you've just added on. But do a few small things
(40:06):
and that's kind of measurable, and.
Speaker 1 (40:08):
And do it because I think a lot of people
are scared to call architects and say this is what
I want to do.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
You know, it's not a huge job going to end
up costing four million.
Speaker 1 (40:16):
Yeah, but I mean that's the thing. I mean, people
shouldn't be afraid to pick up the phone and say, look,
would you have someone who can come and have a
look at this? And what would I mean?
Speaker 2 (40:23):
The whole thing is might be a few hours and
there's a look different different people charge different amounts, but
it's so valuable.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
Yeah, hey, hey, thanks for coming in, Daniel. Great to
have you mate about it. I'm going to pick your
brains for in just a second anywhere anyway. We'll be
back in just a moment with John Cown talking about
the good moments. Those magic moments are make parenting all worthwhile.
It is three minutes to five news Talk said be.
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