September 29, 2024 • 40 mins
Kent Johns joins Tim Beveridge on The Weekend Collective to share how you can take care of yourself, and the best workout routine.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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John's Health. I think, oh it's Kent John's anyway.
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Why can't you.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Hey, Tim, You've got me and look a great song
Bobby mcphair and you got me midwhistle, midwhistle.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, it's such a simple little tune, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
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coming home from nor from up north and I was
in a cafe and Otis Reading came on block of
the bay and I was thinking, is that the greatest
whistling tune ever? Or one of them? What else is there?
There was the Stranger by Billy Joel. That's a good one.
I thought you would know what are some of the
good was.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Thinking you thought otis read and cool? Guy? Reminds me
what is Tim Beverage up to?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
But no, any your voice is almost as silky smooth
as that.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yes, so flattery gets everywhere. Hey.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
By the way, it's the end of mental health Week, yeah,
twenty third, twenty ninth or September. And that's what we're
sort of tying into. How do you know when you're
over doing things? Have you ever got to a stage
in your own life? Can't we You've like, I'm I
don't know, I'm just about cooked here. I think I
need to take some time out.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh for sure, burnout rates. I don't know if you've
had Professor SHAREDD. Harr on your program, but someone should
talk to him about burnout in New Zealand. It's historically bad,
like laughably bad. But I would believe the numbers that
he puts out there because I see it every day
and with the people that I talk to, it's rife.
Burnout at the moment is absolutely rife, whether that be workload,
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whether that be poor work culture or lack of direction.
Never probably maybe never before are we trying to do
more with less? How often do you hear that from people? Now?
In a corporate environment, we're trying to do more with less.
So I see it everywhere, Tim, And then to answer
your question, yes, I think a few years ago I
probably fell into the burnout category, didn't know it at
the time. And interestingly enough, it's that is very common
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as well, that the people who identify with being completely
natally naked when they answer questions honestly, don't also have
the self awareness to realize that they're stuff, because that's
the sort of becheaseness.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
All stuff isn't knackerd rather.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, that's un naked, thun naked, but they can't there
so naked, they're so exhausted, they're so beaten down they
can't work out that. Actually that's burnout. So yeah, I've
been through it. It's not very nice. And if you
go through burnout once, you don't want to go through
it a second time, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think that's the symptom for me if I think
things are getting on top of me, is I find
it hard to make simple decisions, or maybe not simple decisions,
but maybe yes, more substantial decisions that take you out
of your comfort zone where in the right frame mind,
it's just a nobra, it's just like easy, let's do it,
but it's sort of Indecisiveness is the first sign for
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me that things are getting on top of I mean,
I don't know what the particular symptoms are for these things,
but that's probably when I'm feeling like I'm obilewhelmed a bit.
It's just I just don't want to I don't want
to know anything outside of what I already know. I
don't want to have to make any more decisions. Don't
challenge me, don't ask many questions, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Decision fatigue, and then you avoid confronting certain things, so
you become a procrastinator. That's all common. That the key,
the key things to look out for with burnout tim
more mental exhaustion. However you like to play it because
you can't really be diagnose with it. There's no test
for it. In fact, the World Health Organization only classified
burnout as a proper syndrome five years ago, so relatively recent.
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And the things you want to look out for would
be chronic tiredness, fatigue, stress, Maybe you cry and you're
getting more emotional than usual. Why am I say necked
all the time? So that's number one. Lack of production
is number two. You just don't feel as as you're
getting through as much work, or you're as good at
your job, or you're as good at around the house
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as you normally would be. That can be a perceived
one as well. Your colleagues may not even realize that's
how you're feeling about yourself. And the third one is
that sort of lack of enthusiasm or cynicism. Ah nah,
here we go again. Bloody Beverage has asked me if
that's the fourth time this week he's asked me to
do that, And things that ordinarily wouldn't annoy you, that
would bounce off you, that it wouldn't be a problem.
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They start to great, that's a sign too. Or everyone
else in the office is a dick apart from you.
That can be a number one as well. Someone else's
faults and you're struggling to own up to your consequence.
So all of those things. You start to see a
few of those in yourself or someone else, then they're
probably in trouble.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's some people's permanent philosophy that everyone else is a
it's a no one. But then hey, actually, that's the
thing about I mean, the problem is once something becomes
part of corporate speak. I also think that sometimes it's
too you know, when you're a little bit tired and
maybe you've been working too hard that it's it's also
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easy to bandy around terms like burnout when you're just
feeling like maybe you just need to go and go
to the movies or go out for dinner and do
something apart from work. You know what I mean is it?
I'm always when things become the catchphrase the fray Okay,
I'll be honest. When things become a catchphrase in the
corporate environment, I become very cynical ling. It's the language
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of the corporate environment. And you know, I'm stuffing for
a bit of burnout. What do you mean, Well, you know,
just you know, got a lot on Okay, so what
you dig into it, It's like, you mean, you're just
you're working a bit hard and you're probably a bit
sure to sleep, and I mean, I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
A better burnout. It's a little bit of an oxymoron,
isn't it. You're heading towards it, but there's probably Yeah,
if you're a little bit of burnout, probably just means
you're a little bit tired, or you're a little bit
stuff or you need a break or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
For sure, the problem is sorry, you go, you go.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's a word that we bended around for the last
few years, which is why I think it is important
that the World Health Organization now has a clearly defined
parameter around it. So what if they say, yeah, well
they classified that five years ago. So it's chronic workplace
stress that has not been sufficiently dealt with.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Oh okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Pretty much what it is. And those three symptoms that
I just mentioned a couple of minutes, go to look
out for the fatigue, the cynicism, and the lack of productivity.
So those are the things. So that's good because it
means that you can you know what to look for.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
The interesting thing about can also whether people can sometimes
confuse being busy because I know people who it's like
the act of relaxes, people who just love doing what
they do and they just the more they do it
that it keeps them energized and things like that. And
I wonder if there's something about you know, if it's
the type of thing you're having to do at work
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where you're not inspired, where you you know it's whereas
if you love what you're doing. I know people who
work huge ours who seem to have a boundless source
of energy.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
They amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
How is they are engaged.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
They are engaged them so they're at low risk of burnout.
They're at low risk of blowing out because they're engaged.
It's the people who have massive workloads, who are under
enormous pressure, who have realistic expectations placed on them, who
are not thriving, who are not enjoying it, they're in
deep trouble. But if you tune up to work every
day and you are bouncing around and your loving life
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hit me. Yeah, I say yes to every opportunity. Yes,
I'm great, going well. Yet we've worked with those people
and you go, wow, how on earth is that person
still bouncing around? If they're totally engaged in their job,
they're at a very low risk because that enthusiasm, that
a brilliance is actually a protector of poor mental well being.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
We're here for you if you've ever gone through if
you've ever gone through a stage where you're thinking, I'm
getting burnt out and what did you do to alleviate it?
I mean, I guess when people one of the things
you probably get phone calls from people, wouldn't you can have?
Given what you do helping people address getting on top
of their health. I mean, actually, how would you sum
up the Kent John's health. That's the name of your business.
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How do you sum up what you actually do as.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In your gig?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, probably to help people get the best out of themselves.
I mean that's what a coach does. Really, if you
break it down, what does a coach do, whether it's
a sports coach, a business coach, executive coach, whatever, coach
pretty much two jobs for us. One is to help
people get the best out of themselves. And two is
to help people kind of champion themselves and to celebrate
and acknowledge all the good things that are going on.
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So I think what I see tim what I notice
are two different things. One is a lack of energy
where people legitimately stuff the energy, and they're also stuffed
for time. So people are wanting more time for themselves.
Number one. It's become the price commodity, probably more so
than a decent salary. I think, just wanting the time
and the balance to be able to do the things
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that I used to do. I used to go to
the movies. I used to play tennis, I used to
go for runs, whatever it might be. I now can't
do that anymore because I'm working ten or twelve hour
days and I'm coming home to a young family. Time's
number one. And then when you get the time, do
I have the energy to actually go out and do
something cool? And a lot of people don't have the energy.
So those are the two things. So helping people come
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up with ways to get more of both of those
things probably what I do most of the time.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
One of the things you do that principally for yourself
when you're in the past. I guess I'm hoping you're
not burnt out now.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
No, I'm not. I'm glad to say that. But self
care is a big one. And I think what I
see is that self cares dropped to the bottom. And
I say this to people, Hey, we've only got one
precious life each, right, we get one crack at this.
If you can't make the time to look after yourself,
something's gone wrong. I think something's gone horribly wrong. If
you cannot make the time to look after yourself and
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your one life, something's gone wrong. So it probably needs
to be readdress. And on a large number of occasions,
it's just little things. And we know that in the
working environment sometimes a lot of the things that we
worry about tim are beyond our control. We might have
budgetary constraints, we might work in a job that is
very hard to guarantee safety. If you're working in construction,
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for example, there's dangers attached to that. There's timeline pressures,
there's pressure coming from bosses around completion dates and completion
within budgets, and all of these things are enormously stressful,
but they're beyond our control. But what we can do
to help us cope with all of that is to
look after ourselves, and that means eating good food, making
sure that we exercise, making sure that we're with have mates,
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we talk, that we laugh a lot, and that we
prioritize our sleep. All the basic stuff that you and
I got taught when we're five or six years old.
It's simple, easy stuff, but we've lost the time and
the awareness to realize that we've actually gone too far
away from that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Actually, intuitively, you've just thrown it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You're thrown something just reference to when you feel you
don't have control, and it does seem that which makes
you sort of avoid things. I guess everyone has different
ways of coping with stress, but it does make you
wonder whether the part of the part of the answer
to burn out and things like that is if you
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fear are feeling out of control, is simply whatever it
is you're feeling out of control on, you've got to
address it and try and exert some sense of control,
because I guess once you feel you've got a little
bit of control over something, that is a step in
the right direction.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, and look, we know that we'll all experience chronic stress.
We will all go through chronic stress from day to day,
week to week, whenever it might be. But when it
goes unchecked, that leads to major health problems. And it's
hard to overstate the role of stress and chronic disease
and the environment that we have now, it's just full
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of people who are stressed all of the time. Busy,
busy stress. It's not a cute stress. It's not that
good stress that helps you function that we all need.
It's that chronic stress where people are fatigued every night
and ours stuff. So yeah, if you can identify how
are you doing and where you're at, it can make
a huge difference. I was talking to my cousin just yesterday,
Tim and she was talking about her own health, and
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she said, look, you know what, I know what works.
I just need to be doing more of what I
know works. I know that drinking too much alcohol is
not good for me. I know that having too much
sugar and binging on my favorite foods is not good
for me. I know when I walk, when I just
get out and go for a twenty minute walk, I
feel better afterwards. We've got the cheat codes, right, We
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actually have the cheat codes. We know that these things work.
We can't talk our way out of this problem, we
can't medicate our way out, so therefore we have to act.
So I would change the wording just ever so slightly
from Mental Health Awareness Week because hands up, if you
know we've got a problem with mental wellbeing in New Zealand,
we're all aware of it, right, You'd have to live
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in a cave not to be aware. So I would
change it to Mental Health Action Week. What is one
thing you can do this week that your future self
would thank you for?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
There you go, Yeah, I quite like that idea. The
other thing is as well as.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
This is just probably more from a talkback sort of
point of view. But if I was cynical about it,
not cynical, not cynical. But I think sometimes we as
each generation thinks we've got it worse than the last.
But I'll be honest with you, mate, there's no way
I want to be would have wanted it to be
growing up during World War One or World War two. Yeah,
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imagine being in the London Blitz. And actually that probably
did despite you know, there was a stoic sort of
response to the war and things like that. But every
generation has horrendous things that can really wind it up
and stress it. And I actually do wonder if there's
something about when the worst happens. It's almost like, oh, well,
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the worst has happened, now we just got to move.
It's worrying about what if the sky is going to
fall on your head? If the sky actually did fall
in your head, and you'll be like, right, we know
what the problem is. Now we've got to address it.
It's a bit like the younger generation. I worry we're
not going to get political with this, but when I
was growing up, we were terrified of nuclear war. It
seems that that's creeping back into the picture a bit.
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But the big threat for today's generation is climate change
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And it's almost.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Because it's this threat that's just always there and you
don't know what it looks like. I think that does
have an effect on people's mental well being, the worrying
of what if what might be ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, there's more generalized anxiety around now. I think that's
for sure. But you're absolutely right to talk about previous
generations having it. I mean I hear often, oh, we're
living in a great period of uncertainty, but that's life,
isn't it like you don't know what will happen tomorrow.
Uncertainty is part of the deal. It's a packaged deal
that when you live, when you're alive, that there is uncertainty.
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I was reading a book recently, Tim and there was
this great little circle pigraph and it was completely filled
in and it was one hundred percent of all of
the worst days that you have survived. So I kind
of like that. So if you're having a rough day,
you're a rough period, you can actually go, wow, I've
probably been through tougher periods of my life and I've
come through them. Ever, the worst day I've ever had
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in my life, I've survived at every single time because
I'm still alive, still going yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think that's the other thing, is it's all about fine,
if you can regather perspective.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think that's it, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's about because when you are burnt out, you do
lose perspective. You know everything's closing in on your bit.
And as soon as you can regather a little bit
of perspective that the sun is still going to sit
and rise and you set in the west. And I
think that's the challenge, isn't it. Which is why I
exercise and all that sort of thing is doing things
for yourself and eating, I mean eating healthily sounds like,
oh god, I'm stressed, I better eat healthily stuff that
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I feel like a burger.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, But exercise is one of those tangible things, get out,
fresh air, whatever.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The couple of things that you're right about. The food,
because when we are stressed and worried and anxious and down,
we go for highly addictive types of foods that are
no good for us. We know that. So yeah, if
you can catch yourself and go, yeah, I feel like
the burger and chips, but I won't pay a price
for that. I'd rather have the broccoli and the and
the beef or whatever it might be. And that could
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be good decision to make. But around exercise, you trust
your experience. I find them some days I'm like, oh,
do I really want to be going for a run
or do I really want to go for a walk,
And I say to myself, mate, you'll feel better for
doing it. Get off your arse and go. That can
just be the difference. I know when I come home,
I'll feel better, So that's enough for me to make
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the decision that no, I won't sit on my bum
I'll actually go and do it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, good on you.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's the voice of experience, of course, because if you
know you're going to feel better, then it's an easy decision,
I guess. But anyway, right, we're going to take a
break to take your calls on this. How do you
deal with burnout? Or when you think that it's mental
end of Mental Health Awareness Week? Whereas Kent would Kent
John's would rephrase it mental health action week.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
But what do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
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Speaker 1 (19:12):
Helping you get on top of your busy life. Tim
Beveridge on the weekend Collective News Talk said.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Be yes and welcome back to the Health.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My guest is Kent John's from Kent John's Health, and
we're talking about how do you keep an eye on
just your mental health and avoiding burnout and all those things.
What are the simple things you do to keep yourself
in tip top condition. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Karen High Well, Hi, yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
No, I am going to get political because I think
health can be quite elitist. And the reason I'm saying
that is like, if you're looking at health, you're looking
at it holistically, you know, physically, psychologically, socialist, book to
the financial and blah blah blah. Right, no access to
all of that stuff these days cost money, you know,
with the price of food, the price of coaching, the
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price of gym membership, even the stuff like corporate well being.
You know, they tend to have like staf six weeks
like government, for example, six weeks off at Christmas. Then
they have the kidney holidays, have several baits in the year.
Now I'm in the health system, I would love to
have six weeks off at Christmas. I would love to
have a day off without being looked at like I'm
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some pariah. Because the attitude towards people who say I
want a mental health day off is like you're a
completely lunatic, you know, Like why you're needing the mental
health day when you're in such a stressful job.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I thought we had a bit more tolerance to that.
It's like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Feeling no, it's nonsense, It's an illusion. I was working for, Yes,
I was working for a corporate company during COVID, working
under resources all the work and you'd have a day
off and they'd bring you and say take a pand
on coming. Now, I'm sure that does not happen in
the corporate world. I'm only very sure about that. And
you know, I was talking to a girl the other
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day who you know, are very productive, never had the
day's annually leave like my husband before he died, never
taken a sick day. She's been in the service for
decades and she was rewarded with one hundred dollars voutures.
So it's very in the leastest thing help, I think,
and I think that needs to be looked.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I guess here's the simple question, though, So when you
are I mean that, I'm probably going to say something
that's really going to irritate you.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
Just just what irritated? Because I wish I had an
hour her to debate you.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Oh no, no, no, I say that slightly mischievously.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
But the.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Best things in life are free. In terms of exercise,
you mentioned a gym membership, So what do you do
pragmatically for you when you're felie that you want to call.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Up and slaughter I've never had a gym membership in
my life. I walk on the beach and you know,
and I walk up. I'm walking up the steps right now.
I talked to you to go and get well. I'm
actually having a coffee because it gives me a bit
of energy, you know. But you know, like I'm saying,
healthy food, look at the Look at if you've got
to pay for a piece of salmon or a nice
piece of meat, and then you've got all the politics
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about eating meat and everything that, which is the best.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
When you're having a steak, do you think about the
politics of steak or do you just go down?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
But I think about poor farmers who have been told
to plant trees instead. And I'm thinking, well, you know,
all rich countries are all eating the phillip steaks, aren't they.
You know, in American everything, so Sunday somewhere is not
creating carbon credits because they've got all the land with
all the nice fat hesses on it.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Yeah, I want to bring in Kate John's here because
I think we should.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah, he's loved it.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Now what I was saying, thanks, Karen, you need to
start helping the working class a bit. I was thinking
you get a few of your Karen fums around the
place on street corners and start giving some coaching free
to people you know.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, Karen, that's why I come on with as we're
talking with we're talking to the working places.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
That is John's public service.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Yeah, no, it sounds very positive as well. Is he
getting six weeks holiday at Christmas? Or is he in
one day as a talk congestion and looked.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Out like I worked. I work from the south, Karen,
so I'm in charge of my own holidays. Look to
be full discuisure. Though, when I was a breakfast radio announcer,
I was fortunate enough to have six weeks holidays.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Weeks very cheerful.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Hang on, hang on, old, Karen, did you get six
weeks holiday? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And I still struggle working.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
I've never had six weeks old in my life. I
know her bloody does the corporates, in the government and
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's you've had a good crack of the whip.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's good, it's good to talk to you, and thank
you for thank you for lighting it up, Karen.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Karen makes a couple of good points, one about the food.
So it's if you if Philip Salmon's too expensive, Go
for tin fish, go for cheaper options. Different way around
that team is to look at the salmon and go, okay,
how can I turn this expensive piece of salmon into
a cheaper meal? Her head. You can do that with
some cauliflower rice or nutty brown rice and some botchoi
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or some broccoli or something like that. And all of
a sudden you've taken a twenty dollar piece of salmon
and you've turned it into a twenty five dollars spend.
Divide that by four, it becomes a six dollar fifty
seven dollars meal.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So there are ways around it. Out the food costs
in New Zealand are awful. She's absolutely right. But to
come back to your point too, have a think about
what can I do to look after myself that costs nothing?
Like it costs nothing to go for a walk. It
costs nothing to put the phone down at eight o'clock
and watch something on Telly, or go and read a
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book and make sure that you get a good night's sleep.
That costs nothing. So there are ways in which you
can look after yourself that don't cost anything. You don't
have to go to the gym. Man gyms are expensive.
If you don't go, we are not inclined to go.
You wouldn't worry about the cost anyway. But there are
ways in which you can look after yourself that costs nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I like the idea of and I've mentioned this before,
probably about take it things that to me, if you've
looked thinking about you needed to get some exercise, I
think the easier the access you have to do the exercise.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
The better.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
So for me, part of the reason I've kept up running,
and I used to I've never really, as a younger man,
enjoyed running. But the thing that works for me is
the only decision I have to make is to get
my running shoes on and get out the door, and
as soon as i'm out the door, it's happening. Whereas
the more obstacles there are, it's like, you've got to
go and buy the gym membership, you've got to subscribe,
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you've got to get in that cave, you've got to
drive to the gym. Now, I'm not putting people off
the gym, because I know people who religiously out of
the gym and it's part of their routine. It's like
their church almost three and three or four times a week.
But I think that there is something and whatever it is,
it's like Another example would be say when my mum
would want me to do something in the garden. If
she gave me a big, long list of things I
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need you to do, like mow the horn, trim their hedge,
all that sort of thing. But if she gave me
a really small task, I'd be like, hey, cats, just
short and I'd be out there all day because I
haven't set the bar really high. I've set the bar
really low. And I think there's something in that for
diverting yourself when you're stressed.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Well, you know a little bit about behavioral change to bang,
did you talk about it? Woo, start small, make it easy, absolutely,
And I think because what that does it makes you
more likely to be successful.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Yeah, and it's consistently.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think you've got to consistently make it easy, I
for yourself because the one thing, it's something that's cropped
up in the health of a few times probably I
think we've talked about this. But if you if you
are looking to make a change to make you know,
to give yourself a break and to have some other
things to make you a bit healthier. If you go
out and give yourself an unpleasant experience because you think
I need to go run five miles.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
You won't do it again. Do it again, you're just
in a crappy time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You won't do it again. It's the difference between a
fixed mindset and a growth mindset. The fixed mindset is, hey, man,
I want to run five k's. I can't. I'm no good.
I'm failing at running five k's. I've stopped. The growth
mindset will be I can't run five k's yet. See
the importance of that one where I can't run five
k's yet? Why didn't I start with trying fifteen hundred
meters or two k and see if I can work up?
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You feel successful, you realize that you're on the right track,
and off you go. So a lot of people don't
make a start to because they are concerned or worried
that they can't do what they want to do, and
so they give up without even trying. And I see
that all the time. We can do it. We can,
we can, we can start small, start easy, you'll get there.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Hey, just before we go to Aaron, who's waiting? How
did you get you know? The winter swims that you did.
You were doing this? Is that sounds unpleasant?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Reason?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
How did you find a way to keep it up?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
To be honest, the more you do it, the more
you want to do it.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Okay, when you lose you, when.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
You lose your stride with that stuff, it gets tougher again.
You've almost got to want to do it every day,
or at least every two or three days. And again
with the cold swim start small, have a warm or
hot shower, and then right at the end you go, okay,
I'm turning it to cold for the last thirty seconds,
and maybe the next night you tune up to cold
for the last sixty seconds.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Ah, okay, you've got to be a bit mass.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
But then's how you do it, right, Yeah, thet's how
you do it?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, fair enough, but it works right. Let's take some
more calls. Aaron High, Oh.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Good it mate, how I is good?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Things good? Good?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I wanted to hear a little bit of my story.
I won't be too long. I've been a praseman for
pretty close to thirty years, thirty five years, i suppose.
And I was like that, I put myself yea there
for the customer. I was all ever they asked, and
I fell over at forty eight from the stroke because
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I've pushed myself that hard, and one thing I never
ever thought about was my own well bang that was
still I forgot about my family, and that's that's affected
me most. But you know, I was there to support them,
and I forgot a bit of them, and I got
work over everything else. And I've learned since then that
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when you get impossible demands, I don't meet them anymore.
I can't be bothered. I just don't try, because it's
not worth it. It's not only your health and you're
suffering that you inflict upon yourself, it's what you're doing
to those closests around you, and that is that just
hurts anybody else more than anybody else that.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Does take a bit of discipline, doesn't it, Because it's
almost like, you know, those challenges are like a bit
of bait in the water to a fish, and you've
got to make sure you just ignore it, don't you.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, Well, the worst thing you can ever experience is
your ten year old son visiting your hospital asking you
why even they I'm quite fat, I'm quite healthy, that
I put my shelf to the point of exhaustion. And
I did it every night for ages. And Kent's right,
I ate shits. I crap foods just to get by,
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you know, and it's not worth it. I'm fifty two now.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And how did you make a change then? Was just
the fact that you hit the wall or white? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I hit the wall, and I say to people now,
I will do the best I can, but I look
after myself and my family first, and if the customer
doesn't like it, well then go somewhere else. And you
have and for your own sake and your own mental
health and your own safety, you can't do the impossible.
I used to try, and it doesn't work. It never does.
(30:28):
All you end up doing is loving yourself mental Yeah, Ken,
you have.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
You heard the theory about the balls tim the rubber
balls versus the glass ball.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I haven't heard.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Aaron's kind of talked about it. Actually, if you look
at work and clients and but you know, customers and
people that you work with, as a rubber ball, if
you drop it, it'll bounce back. Same with your friends,
same with social activity. But think of you, of yourself
and your family like a glass ball, got to be
really delicate and protector you drop it that shatters, which
(31:00):
is exactly what Aaron was saying. The other balls bounce back. Yourself,
your health, and your family. See it as a glass ball.
You want to be really, really protective. It's fragile. Got
to look after it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, Hey, thanks for your call, Aaron appreciate it. It
is nineteen minutes to four News Talks, he'd be, We're
back with more calls in just a moment. I'm with
Kent John's from Kent John's Health, talking about how you
manage your mental health when things just starting to mount
up on you. The simple choices you can make to
maybe just make life a little bit easier eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nineteen to four Newstalks, he'd.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Be, what doesn't kill your makesuise.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That's welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm Tim Beverage Kent John' from Kent John's Health, talking
about and on the back of Mental health Week which
ends today. I think just how do you deal with
what the tough time is actually when you think that
things getting on top of you, What sticks do you
take to look after and mental health ula?
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Hello, I should have known it was Tim Bevilege. I
was sound asleep for two hours because I'm in ninety
three and I didn't get my washing hunger, and I
heard you talking about mental health and what is mental health?
Mental health is something that people should get hal pick
(32:29):
themselves up. And each time something gives you a double way,
me give it a double way, me back and do
the best you can. And don't don't think that you're
really hard up. I've got some grandchildren who are absolutely fabulous,
who do all sorts of things, and the pinnacle health
here in Nelson and Tasman, there are people who've got jobs,
(32:54):
who have found jobs and do all sorts of things,
you know, the running around your I don't know what
the age you are, Tim, but and I don't know
who you've got with you. But what I can say,
it's a matter is it Simon.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
That's Kent, It's Kent.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
John, Hey, Elie, I'm half your I'm roughly half your age.
And if i'm if I'm as enthusiastic and full of
his energy like you are. We stoked at ninety three.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
I'll tell you what do you I mean actually bagged?
But if I was worrying about yourself and worrying about
all sorts of things. You should just get on with
it and make the best put you've got while you've
got it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
When you heard it was Tim beverage, is that you
rolled your eyes or something.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Because people and I often when I'm listening to him,
I disagree with him all the time.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Ah, oh that's well, that's that's all right, isn't it
You still love it?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
I did talk to him one day, and I think
he found me a bit of curtain, I think, and
I am. I didn't agree with him, but don't know
it all. Quite seriously, we hide behind the word mental
health and well being out and you know, we really
do need to know that even cooking a meal for
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yourself like hold of people do, or doing meanw washing
or take your walk out the gate, which sure all
they can do that, it isn't just about being fit
and running around, right, Dickson will tell you that it's
about doing things for others, don't.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Right, Actually that's a good point, Alice, A few basic
chores never hurt's get on top of a few things
close to home.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
Yep, that's right. That's a beast.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Hey, look all, let's see this is Tim here and
you and I had agreeing. Listen, it's wonderful.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
No, I don't really think we are. But never mind
being a good chat.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Okay, I think we're agreeing. No we're not.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
We're waking people up that we're not putting people to sleep.
To them, she was asleep for two hours and now
she's fully engaged in the conversation. Yeah. Look, cooking a
meal for yourself from scratch is probably about the healthiest
thing you could possibly do, for sure. And I think
fitness is a good word too. Let's go with mental fitness,
because if you think about it, we've all got mental health.
Every single one of us has mental health. But it's
(35:08):
become a pejorative term. So when we talk about mental health,
it's always in the negative. But we've all got it.
But what we don't all have is mental wellbeing or
mental fitness. And when I often go and talk to
room a room full of men, for example, whether it
be in construction or wherever else, and you throw out
words a lot wellness and well being. They think it's
(35:29):
a flowery buzzword. But if you talk about health, no
one would dare push back on that. So sometimes it's
in around the language. So we talk a lot about
well being and wellness. Women go well instinctively with that stuff.
Men not so much. So we need to rephrase it
and talk about well being is actually looking after yourself man,
which is, hey, try and be healthy. If you can
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be healthy, chances are you will achieve well being.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I was thinking with Alice. It reminds me that mighty
python sketch. Is this right room for an argument? I've
told you once, No you haven't, Yes, I have, No,
I haven't if I have, Sorry, you have not arguing.
This is just contradiction. Oh sorry, arguments down the room,
down the hallway money python reference that you got people?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Gary good?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Actually, actually Gary, Sorry, this is my fault. Can just
stand by for a second. I've got to take quick break.
We'll be back within a second. You got, Yes, Welcome
back to the weekend collective celebrating celebrating the marking mental
(36:28):
health Week at the end of it anyway, And sorry,
I had to click off on Gary because I was
missing a break there, Gary high, Hi.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
How are you going good?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Thanks?
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I've heard this top had come up a few times
in the radio, and I'm not really one to call
into radios, but no one's really hit the nail on
the head, and through my own personal experiences and working
with elite athletes, I just thought i'd share the science
behind helping people with depression and anxiety. Sure, so for
(37:03):
me it started. I was a bit under the weather
in the past, never really haven't done anything about it,
and drags on and drags on. So I decided a
few years back, when I kind of had a bit
of a downpatch, i'd just go to the doctor. And
doctor said to me, he says, you've got two options.
(37:25):
He said, medication or meditation. And I was pretty adamant.
I didn't start taking any medication. I didn't think I
was that severe, and I said, all right, I'll try
the meditation. He said, well, download the calm up and
just start from there. So I did, and it was
(37:47):
almost immediately beneficial. And so it took me down the
road of exploring some continual learner having had some Okyo Olympics,
and so I went I explored further meditation, and I've
done a training course with Rita Raccola, who is from
the same area as John cabots In, who took meditation
(38:08):
to hospitals in America for terminally ill patients to help
them manage their pain combined with yoga, and so I
become a meditation mindfulness meditation facilitator. I'd do twenty minutes
of thirty minutes every day. The science shows you that,
you know, it calms down the parasympathetic nervous system. Your
(38:34):
ultimately you're we're always in this constant stage of flight
and flight and the things that used to triggers used
to be wild animals and prehistoric times and there it's
your your job or you know, trying to be your mortgage.
And what the meditation does actually calms down your paspathetic system.
(39:00):
And I think, I know. I was speaking to a
colleague from the Australian national team the Paris Olympics. All
the Australian athletes pretty much use it. Yeah, and I
think I think if we I think it's a very
practical way of helping people eight weeks scientifically as showing
(39:20):
that the brain is so to see, the brain allows
it to change no matter what age you are.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Hey Gary, Unfortunately we're so close to
the end of the show. I loved a bit more time,
but we're just going to I do appreciate that meditation
and yeah, thanks for your call.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Good much. There he did, well, it was good exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Look we got how long have we got? We probably
run out of time. Actually, I'm sorry Steve's waiting, but
the call has flowed and towards the end of the little.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah finished with a quote for you, Tim from James Clear.
He wrote a book called Atomic Habit's one of the
best selling books on habit change. He puts out a
newsleader every week three two one Thursday. He calls it
just some little thoughts and I subscribe to it. It
comes out free every Friday in New Zealand. And this
quote was almost written for this particular show.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
There are all kinds of cheat codes lying around, but
they usually look boring. People will routinely ignore things that
already work for the hope of a slightly easier path.
The cheap code is the work you're avoiding. We've got
the cheat codes, we know what works. There is no
silver bullet to sorting yourself out. But if you do
something small to them, you'll.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Go well, excellently.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Do something small, you'll.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Go well, good stuff. Something small, Yeah, I got on.
You can't the Kent John's Health Gun Google him if
you're looking to get a bit of help, and I'm
sure Kens would love to help you. We'll be back
shortly Martin Hall are smart Money next.
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He's a little song I wrote. You might want to
sing it not for no. Don't worry be happy in
every life we have some trouble when you were you
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don't worry, be happy. Don't worry, be happy.
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Speaker 5 (01:33):
Why can't you.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Hey, Tim, You've got me and look a great song
Bobby mcphair and you got me midwhistle, midwhistle.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Yeah, it's such a simple little tune, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
I was thinking about you this morning. Actually, I was
coming home from nor from up north and I was
in a cafe and Otis Reading came on block of
the bay and I was thinking, is that the greatest
whistling tune ever? Or one of them? What else is there?
There was the Stranger by Billy Joel. That's a good one.
I thought you would know what are some of the
good was.
Speaker 5 (02:06):
Thinking you thought otis read and cool? Guy? Reminds me
what is Tim Beverage up to?
Speaker 4 (02:11):
But no, any your voice is almost as silky smooth
as that.
Speaker 6 (02:15):
Ah.
Speaker 5 (02:16):
Yes, so flattery gets everywhere. Hey.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
By the way, it's the end of mental health Week, yeah,
twenty third, twenty ninth or September. And that's what we're
sort of tying into. How do you know when you're
over doing things? Have you ever got to a stage
in your own life? Can't we You've like, I'm I
don't know, I'm just about cooked here. I think I
need to take some time out.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Oh for sure, burnout rates. I don't know if you've
had Professor SHAREDD. Harr on your program, but someone should
talk to him about burnout in New Zealand. It's historically bad,
like laughably bad. But I would believe the numbers that
he puts out there because I see it every day
and with the people that I talk to, it's rife.
Burnout at the moment is absolutely rife, whether that be workload,
(02:59):
whether that be poor work culture or lack of direction.
Never probably maybe never before are we trying to do
more with less? How often do you hear that from people? Now?
In a corporate environment, we're trying to do more with less.
So I see it everywhere, Tim, And then to answer
your question, yes, I think a few years ago I
probably fell into the burnout category, didn't know it at
the time. And interestingly enough, it's that is very common
(03:21):
as well, that the people who identify with being completely
natally naked when they answer questions honestly, don't also have
the self awareness to realize that they're stuff, because that's
the sort of becheaseness.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
All stuff isn't knackerd rather.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Yeah, that's un naked, thun naked, but they can't there
so naked, they're so exhausted, they're so beaten down they
can't work out that. Actually that's burnout. So yeah, I've
been through it. It's not very nice. And if you
go through burnout once, you don't want to go through
it a second time, that's for sure.
Speaker 5 (03:53):
It's funny.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
I think that's the symptom for me if I think
things are getting on top of me, is I find
it hard to make simple decisions, or maybe not simple decisions,
but maybe yes, more substantial decisions that take you out
of your comfort zone where in the right frame mind,
it's just a nobra, it's just like easy, let's do it,
but it's sort of Indecisiveness is the first sign for
(04:15):
me that things are getting on top of I mean,
I don't know what the particular symptoms are for these things,
but that's probably when I'm feeling like I'm obilewhelmed a bit.
It's just I just don't want to I don't want
to know anything outside of what I already know. I
don't want to have to make any more decisions. Don't
challenge me, don't ask many questions, you know.
Speaker 4 (04:31):
Decision fatigue, and then you avoid confronting certain things, so
you become a procrastinator. That's all common. That the key,
the key things to look out for with burnout tim
more mental exhaustion. However you like to play it because
you can't really be diagnose with it. There's no test
for it. In fact, the World Health Organization only classified
burnout as a proper syndrome five years ago, so relatively recent.
(04:52):
And the things you want to look out for would
be chronic tiredness, fatigue, stress, Maybe you cry and you're
getting more emotional than usual. Why am I say necked
all the time? So that's number one. Lack of production
is number two. You just don't feel as as you're
getting through as much work, or you're as good at
your job, or you're as good at around the house
(05:13):
as you normally would be. That can be a perceived
one as well. Your colleagues may not even realize that's
how you're feeling about yourself. And the third one is
that sort of lack of enthusiasm or cynicism. Ah nah,
here we go again. Bloody Beverage has asked me if
that's the fourth time this week he's asked me to
do that, And things that ordinarily wouldn't annoy you, that
would bounce off you, that it wouldn't be a problem.
(05:33):
They start to great, that's a sign too. Or everyone
else in the office is a dick apart from you.
That can be a number one as well. Someone else's
faults and you're struggling to own up to your consequence.
So all of those things. You start to see a
few of those in yourself or someone else, then they're
probably in trouble.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
That's some people's permanent philosophy that everyone else is a
it's a no one. But then hey, actually, that's the
thing about I mean, the problem is once something becomes
part of corporate speak. I also think that sometimes it's
too you know, when you're a little bit tired and
maybe you've been working too hard that it's it's also
(06:13):
easy to bandy around terms like burnout when you're just
feeling like maybe you just need to go and go
to the movies or go out for dinner and do
something apart from work. You know what I mean is it?
I'm always when things become the catchphrase the fray Okay,
I'll be honest. When things become a catchphrase in the
corporate environment, I become very cynical ling. It's the language
(06:34):
of the corporate environment. And you know, I'm stuffing for
a bit of burnout. What do you mean, Well, you know,
just you know, got a lot on Okay, so what
you dig into it, It's like, you mean, you're just
you're working a bit hard and you're probably a bit
sure to sleep, and I mean, I mean.
Speaker 4 (06:50):
A better burnout. It's a little bit of an oxymoron,
isn't it. You're heading towards it, but there's probably Yeah,
if you're a little bit of burnout, probably just means
you're a little bit tired, or you're a little bit
stuff or you need a break or whatever it might be.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
For sure, the problem is sorry, you go, you go.
Speaker 7 (07:07):
No.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
It's a word that we bended around for the last
few years, which is why I think it is important
that the World Health Organization now has a clearly defined
parameter around it. So what if they say, yeah, well
they classified that five years ago. So it's chronic workplace
stress that has not been sufficiently dealt with.
Speaker 5 (07:25):
Oh okay, that's.
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Pretty much what it is. And those three symptoms that
I just mentioned a couple of minutes, go to look
out for the fatigue, the cynicism, and the lack of productivity.
So those are the things. So that's good because it
means that you can you know what to look for.
Speaker 6 (07:38):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
The interesting thing about can also whether people can sometimes
confuse being busy because I know people who it's like
the act of relaxes, people who just love doing what
they do and they just the more they do it
that it keeps them energized and things like that. And
I wonder if there's something about you know, if it's
the type of thing you're having to do at work
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where you're not inspired, where you you know it's whereas
if you love what you're doing. I know people who
work huge ours who seem to have a boundless source
of energy.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
They amazing.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
How is they are engaged.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
They are engaged them so they're at low risk of burnout.
They're at low risk of blowing out because they're engaged.
It's the people who have massive workloads, who are under
enormous pressure, who have realistic expectations placed on them, who
are not thriving, who are not enjoying it, they're in
deep trouble. But if you tune up to work every
day and you are bouncing around and your loving life
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hit me. Yeah, I say yes to every opportunity. Yes,
I'm great, going well. Yet we've worked with those people
and you go, wow, how on earth is that person
still bouncing around? If they're totally engaged in their job,
they're at a very low risk because that enthusiasm, that
a brilliance is actually a protector of poor mental well being.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
We're here for you if you've ever gone through if
you've ever gone through a stage where you're thinking, I'm
getting burnt out and what did you do to alleviate it?
I mean, I guess when people one of the things
you probably get phone calls from people, wouldn't you can have?
Given what you do helping people address getting on top
of their health. I mean, actually, how would you sum
up the Kent John's health. That's the name of your business.
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How do you sum up what you actually do as.
Speaker 5 (09:18):
In your gig?
Speaker 4 (09:19):
Yeah, probably to help people get the best out of themselves.
I mean that's what a coach does. Really, if you
break it down, what does a coach do, whether it's
a sports coach, a business coach, executive coach, whatever, coach
pretty much two jobs for us. One is to help
people get the best out of themselves. And two is
to help people kind of champion themselves and to celebrate
and acknowledge all the good things that are going on.
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So I think what I see tim what I notice
are two different things. One is a lack of energy
where people legitimately stuff the energy, and they're also stuffed
for time. So people are wanting more time for themselves.
Number one. It's become the price commodity, probably more so
than a decent salary. I think, just wanting the time
and the balance to be able to do the things
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that I used to do. I used to go to
the movies. I used to play tennis, I used to
go for runs, whatever it might be. I now can't
do that anymore because I'm working ten or twelve hour
days and I'm coming home to a young family. Time's
number one. And then when you get the time, do
I have the energy to actually go out and do
something cool? And a lot of people don't have the energy.
So those are the two things. So helping people come
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up with ways to get more of both of those
things probably what I do most of the time.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
One of the things you do that principally for yourself
when you're in the past. I guess I'm hoping you're
not burnt out now.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
No, I'm not. I'm glad to say that. But self
care is a big one. And I think what I
see is that self cares dropped to the bottom. And
I say this to people, Hey, we've only got one
precious life each, right, we get one crack at this.
If you can't make the time to look after yourself,
something's gone wrong. I think something's gone horribly wrong. If
you cannot make the time to look after yourself and
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your one life, something's gone wrong. So it probably needs
to be readdress. And on a large number of occasions,
it's just little things. And we know that in the
working environment sometimes a lot of the things that we
worry about tim are beyond our control. We might have
budgetary constraints, we might work in a job that is
very hard to guarantee safety. If you're working in construction,
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for example, there's dangers attached to that. There's timeline pressures,
there's pressure coming from bosses around completion dates and completion
within budgets, and all of these things are enormously stressful,
but they're beyond our control. But what we can do
to help us cope with all of that is to
look after ourselves, and that means eating good food, making
sure that we exercise, making sure that we're with have mates,
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we talk, that we laugh a lot, and that we
prioritize our sleep. All the basic stuff that you and
I got taught when we're five or six years old.
It's simple, easy stuff, but we've lost the time and
the awareness to realize that we've actually gone too far
away from that.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
Actually, intuitively, you've just thrown it.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
You're thrown something just reference to when you feel you
don't have control, and it does seem that which makes
you sort of avoid things. I guess everyone has different
ways of coping with stress, but it does make you
wonder whether the part of the part of the answer
to burn out and things like that is if you
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fear are feeling out of control, is simply whatever it
is you're feeling out of control on, you've got to
address it and try and exert some sense of control,
because I guess once you feel you've got a little
bit of control over something, that is a step in
the right direction.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
Yeah, and look, we know that we'll all experience chronic stress.
We will all go through chronic stress from day to day,
week to week, whenever it might be. But when it
goes unchecked, that leads to major health problems. And it's
hard to overstate the role of stress and chronic disease
and the environment that we have now, it's just full
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of people who are stressed all of the time. Busy,
busy stress. It's not a cute stress. It's not that
good stress that helps you function that we all need.
It's that chronic stress where people are fatigued every night
and ours stuff. So yeah, if you can identify how
are you doing and where you're at, it can make
a huge difference. I was talking to my cousin just yesterday,
Tim and she was talking about her own health, and
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she said, look, you know what, I know what works.
I just need to be doing more of what I
know works. I know that drinking too much alcohol is
not good for me. I know that having too much
sugar and binging on my favorite foods is not good
for me. I know when I walk, when I just
get out and go for a twenty minute walk, I
feel better afterwards. We've got the cheat codes, right, We
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actually have the cheat codes. We know that these things work.
We can't talk our way out of this problem, we
can't medicate our way out, so therefore we have to act.
So I would change the wording just ever so slightly
from Mental Health Awareness Week because hands up, if you
know we've got a problem with mental wellbeing in New Zealand,
we're all aware of it, right, You'd have to live
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in a cave not to be aware. So I would
change it to Mental Health Action Week. What is one
thing you can do this week that your future self
would thank you for?
Speaker 5 (14:11):
There you go, Yeah, I quite like that idea. The
other thing is as well as.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
This is just probably more from a talkback sort of
point of view. But if I was cynical about it,
not cynical, not cynical. But I think sometimes we as
each generation thinks we've got it worse than the last.
But I'll be honest with you, mate, there's no way
I want to be would have wanted it to be
growing up during World War One or World War two. Yeah,
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imagine being in the London Blitz. And actually that probably
did despite you know, there was a stoic sort of
response to the war and things like that. But every
generation has horrendous things that can really wind it up
and stress it. And I actually do wonder if there's
something about when the worst happens. It's almost like, oh, well,
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the worst has happened, now we just got to move.
It's worrying about what if the sky is going to
fall on your head? If the sky actually did fall
in your head, and you'll be like, right, we know
what the problem is. Now we've got to address it.
It's a bit like the younger generation. I worry we're
not going to get political with this, but when I
was growing up, we were terrified of nuclear war. It
seems that that's creeping back into the picture a bit.
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But the big threat for today's generation is climate change
and things like that.
Speaker 5 (15:23):
And it's almost.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Because it's this threat that's just always there and you
don't know what it looks like. I think that does
have an effect on people's mental well being, the worrying
of what if what might be ahead.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
Yeah, there's more generalized anxiety around now. I think that's
for sure. But you're absolutely right to talk about previous
generations having it. I mean I hear often, oh, we're
living in a great period of uncertainty, but that's life,
isn't it like you don't know what will happen tomorrow.
Uncertainty is part of the deal. It's a packaged deal
that when you live, when you're alive, that there is uncertainty.
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I was reading a book recently, Tim and there was
this great little circle pigraph and it was completely filled
in and it was one hundred percent of all of
the worst days that you have survived. So I kind
of like that. So if you're having a rough day,
you're a rough period, you can actually go, wow, I've
probably been through tougher periods of my life and I've
come through them. Ever, the worst day I've ever had
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in my life, I've survived at every single time because
I'm still alive, still going yeah.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
I think that's the other thing, is it's all about fine,
if you can regather perspective.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I think that's it, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
It's about because when you are burnt out, you do
lose perspective. You know everything's closing in on your bit.
And as soon as you can regather a little bit
of perspective that the sun is still going to sit
and rise and you set in the west. And I
think that's the challenge, isn't it. Which is why I
exercise and all that sort of thing is doing things
for yourself and eating, I mean eating healthily sounds like,
oh god, I'm stressed, I better eat healthily stuff that
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I feel like a burger.
Speaker 5 (16:50):
Ah.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, But exercise is one of those tangible things, get out,
fresh air, whatever.
Speaker 6 (16:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (16:56):
The couple of things that you're right about. The food,
because when we are stressed and worried and anxious and down,
we go for highly addictive types of foods that are
no good for us. We know that. So yeah, if
you can catch yourself and go, yeah, I feel like
the burger and chips, but I won't pay a price
for that. I'd rather have the broccoli and the and
the beef or whatever it might be. And that could
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be good decision to make. But around exercise, you trust
your experience. I find them some days I'm like, oh,
do I really want to be going for a run
or do I really want to go for a walk,
And I say to myself, mate, you'll feel better for
doing it. Get off your arse and go. That can
just be the difference. I know when I come home,
I'll feel better, So that's enough for me to make
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the decision that no, I won't sit on my bum
I'll actually go and do it.
Speaker 5 (17:44):
Yeah, good on you.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
That's the voice of experience, of course, because if you
know you're going to feel better, then it's an easy decision,
I guess. But anyway, right, we're going to take a
break to take your calls on this. How do you
deal with burnout? Or when you think that it's mental
end of Mental Health Awareness Week? Whereas Kent would Kent
John's would rephrase it mental health action week.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
But what do you do?
Speaker 3 (18:03):
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can call on eight hundred forty five forty two. That's
eight hundred forty five forty five forty two.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
Helping you get on top of your busy life. Tim
Beveridge on the weekend Collective News Talk said.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Be yes and welcome back to the Health.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
My guest is Kent John's from Kent John's Health, and
we're talking about how do you keep an eye on
just your mental health and avoiding burnout and all those things.
What are the simple things you do to keep yourself
in tip top condition. Let's take some calls.
Speaker 5 (19:35):
Karen High Well, Hi, yeah.
Speaker 8 (19:37):
No, I am going to get political because I think
health can be quite elitist. And the reason I'm saying
that is like, if you're looking at health, you're looking
at it holistically, you know, physically, psychologically, socialist, book to
the financial and blah blah blah. Right, no access to
all of that stuff these days cost money, you know,
with the price of food, the price of coaching, the
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price of gym membership, even the stuff like corporate well being.
You know, they tend to have like staf six weeks
like government, for example, six weeks off at Christmas. Then
they have the kidney holidays, have several baits in the year.
Now I'm in the health system, I would love to
have six weeks off at Christmas. I would love to
have a day off without being looked at like I'm
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some pariah. Because the attitude towards people who say I
want a mental health day off is like you're a
completely lunatic, you know, Like why you're needing the mental
health day when you're in such a stressful job.
Speaker 5 (20:31):
I thought we had a bit more tolerance to that.
It's like, you know, I'm.
Speaker 8 (20:34):
Feeling no, it's nonsense, It's an illusion. I was working for, Yes,
I was working for a corporate company during COVID, working
under resources all the work and you'd have a day
off and they'd bring you and say take a pand
on coming. Now, I'm sure that does not happen in
the corporate world. I'm only very sure about that. And
you know, I was talking to a girl the other
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day who you know, are very productive, never had the
day's annually leave like my husband before he died, never
taken a sick day. She's been in the service for
decades and she was rewarded with one hundred dollars voutures.
So it's very in the leastest thing help, I think,
and I think that needs to be looked.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
I guess here's the simple question, though, So when you
are I mean that, I'm probably going to say something
that's really going to irritate you.
Speaker 8 (21:21):
Just just what irritated? Because I wish I had an
hour her to debate you.
Speaker 5 (21:25):
Oh no, no, no, I say that slightly mischievously.
Speaker 7 (21:28):
But the.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
Best things in life are free. In terms of exercise,
you mentioned a gym membership, So what do you do
pragmatically for you when you're felie that you want to call.
Speaker 8 (21:43):
Up and slaughter I've never had a gym membership in
my life. I walk on the beach and you know,
and I walk up. I'm walking up the steps right now.
I talked to you to go and get well. I'm
actually having a coffee because it gives me a bit
of energy, you know. But you know, like I'm saying,
healthy food, look at the Look at if you've got
to pay for a piece of salmon or a nice
piece of meat, and then you've got all the politics
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about eating meat and everything that, which is the best.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
When you're having a steak, do you think about the
politics of steak or do you just go down?
Speaker 8 (22:14):
But I think about poor farmers who have been told
to plant trees instead. And I'm thinking, well, you know,
all rich countries are all eating the phillip steaks, aren't they.
You know, in American everything, so Sunday somewhere is not
creating carbon credits because they've got all the land with
all the nice fat hesses on it.
Speaker 9 (22:29):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Yeah, I want to bring in Kate John's here because
I think we should.
Speaker 9 (22:33):
Yeah, he's loved it.
Speaker 8 (22:34):
Now what I was saying, thanks, Karen, you need to
start helping the working class a bit. I was thinking
you get a few of your Karen fums around the
place on street corners and start giving some coaching free
to people you know.
Speaker 4 (22:49):
Well, Karen, that's why I come on with as we're
talking with we're talking to the working places.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
That is John's public service.
Speaker 8 (23:00):
Yeah, no, it sounds very positive as well. Is he
getting six weeks holiday at Christmas? Or is he in
one day as a talk congestion and looked.
Speaker 4 (23:08):
Out like I worked. I work from the south, Karen,
so I'm in charge of my own holidays. Look to
be full discuisure. Though, when I was a breakfast radio announcer,
I was fortunate enough to have six weeks holidays.
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Weeks very cheerful.
Speaker 5 (23:25):
Hang on, hang on, old, Karen, did you get six
weeks holiday? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (23:29):
And I still struggle working.
Speaker 8 (23:32):
I've never had six weeks old in my life. I
know her bloody does the corporates, in the government and
everybody else.
Speaker 5 (23:37):
It's you've had a good crack of the whip.
Speaker 3 (23:42):
It's good, it's good to talk to you, and thank
you for thank you for lighting it up, Karen.
Speaker 4 (23:48):
Karen makes a couple of good points, one about the food.
So it's if you if Philip Salmon's too expensive, Go
for tin fish, go for cheaper options. Different way around
that team is to look at the salmon and go, okay,
how can I turn this expensive piece of salmon into
a cheaper meal? Her head. You can do that with
some cauliflower rice or nutty brown rice and some botchoi
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or some broccoli or something like that. And all of
a sudden you've taken a twenty dollar piece of salmon
and you've turned it into a twenty five dollars spend.
Divide that by four, it becomes a six dollar fifty
seven dollars meal.
Speaker 5 (24:19):
I think.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
So there are ways around it. Out the food costs
in New Zealand are awful. She's absolutely right. But to
come back to your point too, have a think about
what can I do to look after myself that costs nothing?
Like it costs nothing to go for a walk. It
costs nothing to put the phone down at eight o'clock
and watch something on Telly, or go and read a
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book and make sure that you get a good night's sleep.
That costs nothing. So there are ways in which you
can look after yourself that don't cost anything. You don't
have to go to the gym. Man gyms are expensive.
If you don't go, we are not inclined to go.
You wouldn't worry about the cost anyway. But there are
ways in which you can look after yourself that costs nothing.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
I like the idea of and I've mentioned this before,
probably about take it things that to me, if you've
looked thinking about you needed to get some exercise, I
think the easier the access you have to do the exercise.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
The better.
Speaker 3 (25:17):
So for me, part of the reason I've kept up running,
and I used to I've never really, as a younger man,
enjoyed running. But the thing that works for me is
the only decision I have to make is to get
my running shoes on and get out the door, and
as soon as i'm out the door, it's happening. Whereas
the more obstacles there are, it's like, you've got to
go and buy the gym membership, you've got to subscribe,
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you've got to get in that cave, you've got to
drive to the gym. Now, I'm not putting people off
the gym, because I know people who religiously out of
the gym and it's part of their routine. It's like
their church almost three and three or four times a week.
But I think that there is something and whatever it is,
it's like Another example would be say when my mum
would want me to do something in the garden. If
she gave me a big, long list of things I
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need you to do, like mow the horn, trim their hedge,
all that sort of thing. But if she gave me
a really small task, I'd be like, hey, cats, just
short and I'd be out there all day because I
haven't set the bar really high. I've set the bar
really low. And I think there's something in that for
diverting yourself when you're stressed.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Well, you know a little bit about behavioral change to bang,
did you talk about it? Woo, start small, make it easy, absolutely,
And I think because what that does it makes you
more likely to be successful.
Speaker 5 (26:28):
Yeah, and it's consistently.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
I think you've got to consistently make it easy, I
for yourself because the one thing, it's something that's cropped
up in the health of a few times probably I
think we've talked about this. But if you if you
are looking to make a change to make you know,
to give yourself a break and to have some other
things to make you a bit healthier. If you go
out and give yourself an unpleasant experience because you think
I need to go run five miles.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
You won't do it again. Do it again, you're just
in a crappy time.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
You won't do it again. It's the difference between a
fixed mindset and a growth mindset. The fixed mindset is, hey, man,
I want to run five k's. I can't. I'm no good.
I'm failing at running five k's. I've stopped. The growth
mindset will be I can't run five k's yet. See
the importance of that one where I can't run five
k's yet? Why didn't I start with trying fifteen hundred
meters or two k and see if I can work up?
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You feel successful, you realize that you're on the right track,
and off you go. So a lot of people don't
make a start to because they are concerned or worried
that they can't do what they want to do, and
so they give up without even trying. And I see
that all the time. We can do it. We can,
we can, we can start small, start easy, you'll get there.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Hey, just before we go to Aaron, who's waiting? How
did you get you know? The winter swims that you did.
You were doing this? Is that sounds unpleasant?
Speaker 1 (27:40):
Reason?
Speaker 5 (27:41):
How did you find a way to keep it up?
Speaker 4 (27:44):
To be honest, the more you do it, the more
you want to do it.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
Okay, when you lose you, when.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
You lose your stride with that stuff, it gets tougher again.
You've almost got to want to do it every day,
or at least every two or three days. And again
with the cold swim start small, have a warm or
hot shower, and then right at the end you go, okay,
I'm turning it to cold for the last thirty seconds,
and maybe the next night you tune up to cold
for the last sixty seconds.
Speaker 5 (28:08):
Ah, okay, you've got to be a bit mass.
Speaker 4 (28:10):
But then's how you do it, right, Yeah, thet's how
you do it?
Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, fair enough, but it works right. Let's take some
more calls. Aaron High, Oh.
Speaker 6 (28:18):
Good it mate, how I is good?
Speaker 5 (28:19):
Things good? Good?
Speaker 7 (28:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (28:22):
I wanted to hear a little bit of my story.
I won't be too long. I've been a praseman for
pretty close to thirty years, thirty five years, i suppose.
And I was like that, I put myself yea there
for the customer. I was all ever they asked, and
I fell over at forty eight from the stroke because
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I've pushed myself that hard, and one thing I never
ever thought about was my own well bang that was
still I forgot about my family, and that's that's affected
me most. But you know, I was there to support them,
and I forgot a bit of them, and I got
work over everything else. And I've learned since then that
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when you get impossible demands, I don't meet them anymore.
I can't be bothered. I just don't try, because it's
not worth it. It's not only your health and you're
suffering that you inflict upon yourself, it's what you're doing
to those closests around you, and that is that just
hurts anybody else more than anybody else that.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Does take a bit of discipline, doesn't it, Because it's
almost like, you know, those challenges are like a bit
of bait in the water to a fish, and you've
got to make sure you just ignore it, don't you.
Speaker 6 (29:36):
Yeah, Well, the worst thing you can ever experience is
your ten year old son visiting your hospital asking you
why even they I'm quite fat, I'm quite healthy, that
I put my shelf to the point of exhaustion. And
I did it every night for ages. And Kent's right,
I ate shits. I crap foods just to get by,
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you know, and it's not worth it. I'm fifty two now.
Speaker 5 (30:01):
And how did you make a change then? Was just
the fact that you hit the wall or white? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (30:07):
I hit the wall, and I say to people now,
I will do the best I can, but I look
after myself and my family first, and if the customer
doesn't like it, well then go somewhere else. And you
have and for your own sake and your own mental
health and your own safety, you can't do the impossible.
I used to try, and it doesn't work. It never does.
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All you end up doing is loving yourself mental Yeah, Ken,
you have.
Speaker 4 (30:34):
You heard the theory about the balls tim the rubber
balls versus the glass ball.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
I haven't heard.
Speaker 4 (30:40):
Aaron's kind of talked about it. Actually, if you look
at work and clients and but you know, customers and
people that you work with, as a rubber ball, if
you drop it, it'll bounce back. Same with your friends,
same with social activity. But think of you, of yourself
and your family like a glass ball, got to be
really delicate and protector you drop it that shatters, which
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is exactly what Aaron was saying. The other balls bounce back. Yourself,
your health, and your family. See it as a glass ball.
You want to be really, really protective. It's fragile. Got
to look after it.
Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, Hey, thanks for your call, Aaron appreciate it. It
is nineteen minutes to four News Talks, he'd be, We're
back with more calls in just a moment. I'm with
Kent John's from Kent John's Health, talking about how you
manage your mental health when things just starting to mount
up on you. The simple choices you can make to
maybe just make life a little bit easier eight hundred
and eighty ten eighty nineteen to four Newstalks, he'd.
Speaker 4 (31:32):
Be, what doesn't kill your makesuise.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
That's welcome back to the show.
Speaker 3 (31:53):
I'm Tim Beverage Kent John' from Kent John's Health, talking
about and on the back of Mental health Week which
ends today. I think just how do you deal with
what the tough time is actually when you think that
things getting on top of you, What sticks do you
take to look after and mental health ula?
Speaker 9 (32:09):
Hello, I should have known it was Tim Bevilege. I
was sound asleep for two hours because I'm in ninety
three and I didn't get my washing hunger, and I
heard you talking about mental health and what is mental health?
Mental health is something that people should get hal pick
(32:29):
themselves up. And each time something gives you a double way,
me give it a double way, me back and do
the best you can. And don't don't think that you're
really hard up. I've got some grandchildren who are absolutely fabulous,
who do all sorts of things, and the pinnacle health
here in Nelson and Tasman, there are people who've got jobs,
(32:54):
who have found jobs and do all sorts of things,
you know, the running around your I don't know what
the age you are, Tim, but and I don't know
who you've got with you. But what I can say,
it's a matter is it Simon.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
That's Kent, It's Kent.
Speaker 4 (33:10):
John, Hey, Elie, I'm half your I'm roughly half your age.
And if i'm if I'm as enthusiastic and full of
his energy like you are. We stoked at ninety three.
Speaker 9 (33:22):
I'll tell you what do you I mean actually bagged?
But if I was worrying about yourself and worrying about
all sorts of things. You should just get on with
it and make the best put you've got while you've
got it.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
When you heard it was Tim beverage, is that you
rolled your eyes or something.
Speaker 9 (33:39):
Because people and I often when I'm listening to him,
I disagree with him all the time.
Speaker 5 (33:44):
Ah, oh that's well, that's that's all right, isn't it
You still love it?
Speaker 7 (33:48):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 9 (33:48):
I did talk to him one day, and I think
he found me a bit of curtain, I think, and
I am. I didn't agree with him, but don't know
it all. Quite seriously, we hide behind the word mental
health and well being out and you know, we really
do need to know that even cooking a meal for
(34:10):
yourself like hold of people do, or doing meanw washing
or take your walk out the gate, which sure all
they can do that, it isn't just about being fit
and running around, right, Dickson will tell you that it's
about doing things for others, don't.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Right, Actually that's a good point, Alice, A few basic
chores never hurt's get on top of a few things
close to home.
Speaker 9 (34:33):
Yep, that's right. That's a beast.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Hey, look all, let's see this is Tim here and
you and I had agreeing. Listen, it's wonderful.
Speaker 9 (34:39):
No, I don't really think we are. But never mind
being a good chat.
Speaker 5 (34:44):
Okay, I think we're agreeing. No we're not.
Speaker 4 (34:47):
We're waking people up that we're not putting people to sleep.
To them, she was asleep for two hours and now
she's fully engaged in the conversation. Yeah. Look, cooking a
meal for yourself from scratch is probably about the healthiest
thing you could possibly do, for sure. And I think
fitness is a good word too. Let's go with mental fitness,
because if you think about it, we've all got mental health.
Every single one of us has mental health. But it's
(35:08):
become a pejorative term. So when we talk about mental health,
it's always in the negative. But we've all got it.
But what we don't all have is mental wellbeing or
mental fitness. And when I often go and talk to
room a room full of men, for example, whether it
be in construction or wherever else, and you throw out
words a lot wellness and well being. They think it's
(35:29):
a flowery buzzword. But if you talk about health, no
one would dare push back on that. So sometimes it's
in around the language. So we talk a lot about
well being and wellness. Women go well instinctively with that stuff.
Men not so much. So we need to rephrase it
and talk about well being is actually looking after yourself man,
which is, hey, try and be healthy. If you can
(35:49):
be healthy, chances are you will achieve well being.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
I was thinking with Alice. It reminds me that mighty
python sketch. Is this right room for an argument? I've
told you once, No you haven't, Yes, I have, No,
I haven't if I have, Sorry, you have not arguing.
This is just contradiction. Oh sorry, arguments down the room,
down the hallway money python reference that you got people?
Speaker 5 (36:07):
Gary good?
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Actually, actually Gary, Sorry, this is my fault. Can just
stand by for a second. I've got to take quick break.
We'll be back within a second. You got, Yes, Welcome
back to the weekend collective celebrating celebrating the marking mental
(36:28):
health Week at the end of it anyway, And sorry,
I had to click off on Gary because I was
missing a break there, Gary high, Hi.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
How are you going good?
Speaker 5 (36:36):
Thanks?
Speaker 7 (36:38):
I've heard this top had come up a few times
in the radio, and I'm not really one to call
into radios, but no one's really hit the nail on
the head, and through my own personal experiences and working
with elite athletes, I just thought i'd share the science
behind helping people with depression and anxiety. Sure, so for
(37:03):
me it started. I was a bit under the weather
in the past, never really haven't done anything about it,
and drags on and drags on. So I decided a
few years back, when I kind of had a bit
of a downpatch, i'd just go to the doctor. And
doctor said to me, he says, you've got two options.
(37:25):
He said, medication or meditation. And I was pretty adamant.
I didn't start taking any medication. I didn't think I
was that severe, and I said, all right, I'll try
the meditation. He said, well, download the calm up and
just start from there. So I did, and it was
(37:47):
almost immediately beneficial. And so it took me down the
road of exploring some continual learner having had some Okyo Olympics,
and so I went I explored further meditation, and I've
done a training course with Rita Raccola, who is from
the same area as John cabots In, who took meditation
(38:08):
to hospitals in America for terminally ill patients to help
them manage their pain combined with yoga, and so I
become a meditation mindfulness meditation facilitator. I'd do twenty minutes
of thirty minutes every day. The science shows you that,
you know, it calms down the parasympathetic nervous system. Your
(38:34):
ultimately you're we're always in this constant stage of flight
and flight and the things that used to triggers used
to be wild animals and prehistoric times and there it's
your your job or you know, trying to be your mortgage.
And what the meditation does actually calms down your paspathetic system.
(39:00):
And I think, I know. I was speaking to a
colleague from the Australian national team the Paris Olympics. All
the Australian athletes pretty much use it. Yeah, and I
think I think if we I think it's a very
practical way of helping people eight weeks scientifically as showing
(39:20):
that the brain is so to see, the brain allows
it to change no matter what age you are.
Speaker 3 (39:31):
Yeah, yeah, okay, Hey Gary, Unfortunately we're so close to
the end of the show. I loved a bit more time,
but we're just going to I do appreciate that meditation
and yeah, thanks for your call.
Speaker 5 (39:42):
I really appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
Good much. There he did, well, it was good exactly.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
Look we got how long have we got? We probably
run out of time. Actually, I'm sorry Steve's waiting, but
the call has flowed and towards the end of the little.
Speaker 4 (39:55):
Yeah finished with a quote for you, Tim from James Clear.
He wrote a book called Atomic Habit's one of the
best selling books on habit change. He puts out a
newsleader every week three two one Thursday. He calls it
just some little thoughts and I subscribe to it. It
comes out free every Friday in New Zealand. And this
quote was almost written for this particular show.
Speaker 5 (40:13):
Right.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
There are all kinds of cheat codes lying around, but
they usually look boring. People will routinely ignore things that
already work for the hope of a slightly easier path.
The cheap code is the work you're avoiding. We've got
the cheat codes, we know what works. There is no
silver bullet to sorting yourself out. But if you do
something small to them, you'll.
Speaker 5 (40:32):
Go well, excellently.
Speaker 4 (40:33):
Do something small, you'll.
Speaker 3 (40:34):
Go well, good stuff. Something small, Yeah, I got on.
You can't the Kent John's Health Gun Google him if
you're looking to get a bit of help, and I'm
sure Kens would love to help you. We'll be back
shortly Martin Hall are smart Money next.
Speaker 1 (40:51):
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