July 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Bone health is immeasurably important for our physical health, and the density of your bones have a whole lot to do with how frail you will be once you pass that 60 year mark.
Greg Pain is a sports biomechanist at bioSPORT and joins Tim Beveridge for Health Hub.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:41):
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Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's a good always a good place to start. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now it's the health Hub and were I want to
introduce the topics straight away, I'll just get into who's
in the studio. He's a by mechanist buy a sport.
He's one of our regulars. Love having him on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
And his name is Greg Payne and Greg.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Happy Sunday, Tim Happy, Yes, Happy Sunday, Happy day before workday.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, that's the one. Well this is my workday actually,
so this is this is my Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How you been keeping all right? Good?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, no, very good. We're very lucky. We my partner Kirsty,
We've got her. One of her family members has got
a lovely holiday home at Wonnaca that we get to
make use of for a week. So heading down there
and getting a bit of time on the ski fields
with all four kids, the mixed menagerie, as I like
to call.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Them, fantastic. Was that just just the week that's gone?
The second week of second week? How are the crowds?
It's triple Conekadrina.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We're at Kadrona and it wasn't too bad. To be fair,
it wasn't as bad as we've seen in the past.
So yeah, we're lucky. We get get use of the house,
in the car and three days skiing and it's just
great for all six of us.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I heard I speaking to a friend who was down
in Queenstown and said it was like being in Australia
with just just Australians everywhere she turned.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was like it was like a state of Australia.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm definite. I'm one of these people on the lifts.
I love having chats with random people. And there was
certainly a lot of a lot of Australian accidents on
those cheer lifts, that's for sure. And I think I
told you last year I was voice recognized. Came from
the radio. Really, yes, Wow, the first time I.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Felt like I recognized, well more or less.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's you know, it was a it was a conversation.
He said, I recognize your voice.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Actually makes me a D grade celebrity grade probably.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Along with me about minus.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We'll take it. We'll take it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Actually funny, I went, when we're in Methven, we went
to an Irish pub and the matre d there ironically
is French. And I asked, we just popped in earlier
to say do we need to book a table or something?
And he said yeah, I won't to his accent and
he said, yeah you might need to.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And he said just leave us your name. Where would
you like sit?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And I said, or was there are a good seats
somewhere near the fire And he goes, yeah, what's what's
your name? And he goes I said Tim, and he goes,
what's your last name? But when he asked me my
last name, it's like, what did you need my last
name for? And as soon as I said beverage, he
goes other newsks be in the afternoons. I said, does
that mean I get her a good or a bad seat.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Luckily it means I got a good seat, good scene anyway,
nice to have in the studio.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Almost put my papers away there because I was busy
just bantering away.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now, bone health, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We talked about bone health a lot, probably because you
hear an advert for some supplement or something, and you
hear about as you get it, and you do hear
as you get older about keeping you know how important
bone health is in the density of your bones, because well,
the question of frailty I guess once you pass the
sixty mark or beyond, and bone health is the difference
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between saying that you fell over or you had a fall.
I think, if you're bone house's not good, you had
a fall. If your bone house's good, you fell over
and got back up.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The bone health industry has sort of been turned on
its ere as far as how we treat from a
muscular scaltal perspective, not from a medication perspective. That's not
my wheelhouse. But technically our bones start to lose bone
mineral density from about age thirty five, so you could
almost say we're starting to age from about thirty five.
So what you do when you're going through puberty and
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all through those earlier developmenttal years does make a big
difference as far as how your bone health is and
your muscular health as well is maintained through aging life.
But there's been a really big shift in the last
few years as far as the efficacy of certain types
of resistance training and how it can have a hugely
positive and a safe effect on your bone mineral density.
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So from my perspective, and I'm moving more into the
bone health area, it's a very exciting time because.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You work with some athletes who are in their prime
as bone health some sort of question that they has
anything to do with them the way they look after themselves, not.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
At that elite level of athleticness, you could say, cyclists
do have to be careful with that. I've got a
young lady who I treat it. She's a pro team
in Australia, very very good cyclist, and one of her
friends decided to take her for a run that was
supposed to be sort of two kilometers long, and it
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ended up being ten kilometers long, by which time at
the end of that run, she'd developed bilateral stress fractures
in both of her shin bones. Bloody hell, there is
a low grade history of eating issues there, which is
very common in cyclists and more so female cyclists. But
because she had spent so long on a bike which
doesn't involve ground.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Reactions or impact.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yes, it's that impact that is keif as one of
the keys for maintaining bone health.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Actually does that mean if you are someone whose cycles
and you know you're rocking with the aerobic health and
you can you know, you go for a bike ride
and you cycle around half of the North Island just
of an afternoon, that maybe you should get off and
give the give give you a I don't want to
say give your body a bit of a jolt, but.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We'll do some impact, right, Impact is key, really absolutely.
I mean, if you do suffer from bone mineral bone
mineral density issues, if you've got osteopen your osteoporosis, ostereopene,
you're being pre osteoporosis. The number one thing that you
must do on a highly regular basis is walk with
a moderate degree of intensity because it's that impact. Like,
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if you really struggle with bone health issues and you
want to ride a bike or go swimming, great for
your cardiovascular health for sure, but you're not going. It's
the impact that will help to stimulate bone remineralization. It's
called Wolf's law.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So and actually does weight weight low weight bearing exercise
does that have something to do with helping? Because my
if you went here right now and I was having
a conversation, I be saying and somebody was like, oh,
what do you know about bone density?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And I would say, well, like.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I gather that as people get older that one of
the reasons they should do weight bearing exercises is to
assist with bone densityes Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You are right? You are right to a degree. And
this is sort of where things have been turned around
in the last few years, and which is where I'm
sort of steering my business a bit as well. Is
in order to help lay down bone density or reduce
bone mineral loss, the resistance training that you are doing
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must be at a heavy enough level. It must be
greater than eighty to eighty five percent of your one
repetition maximum. If you're doing like a backsquad or a deadlift,
which is heavy hang on hold must be wark so
you need it. So let's just say a Timkin back
squad or deadlift one hundred kgs once, but you can't
do it twice. Your one r REM would be one
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hundred CAGs for that particular movement. Now, we don't get
people to do that. Just in order to help create
and create a positive change for bone mineral density, you
need to be within eighty to eighty five percent of
that load.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Blimey.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That's huge, it is. But when it's done correctly, it's
also very very safe.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Because I reckon, I mean I did left about eighty
kilo's three sets of eight with a minute's rest, which
is fairly full on.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
So I reckon I could probably do, but I have
to say it's pretty bloody heavy.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, So what you should be doing if you're looking
at bone health is maybe having that weight maybe a
touch lower, not much.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Doing a few less, get your reps.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Down and do more sets. So one minute rest between
each set is fine. Five sets of five is above
eighty eighty five percent as well.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's hardcore training, greg.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It is. But the thing is that with these populations,
it's in a supervised environment, which is key, and it's
done with regularity, which is also key. And the studies
have shown that you can actually even if you're an
eight eighty five year old man and a woman with
quite severe osteoporosis, and you get into this heavy resistance training,
you can slow down or even slightly turn around that
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bone mineralization issue.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, I mentioned deadlift only because I think it's filed
away in the back.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Of my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That might have been you or someone else. He said,
if you can only ever do one weight exercise, it
would be the deadlift.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, and so I filed that away.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's a funny exercise, the deadlift, because it's just it's
hard work. And I must say, do you feel sometimes
a little bit stiff afterwards?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
What day or day later or a few hours later.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I mean a little bit of what we call delayed
on set muscle solness is fine?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I mean you need to differentiate what is fatigue and what's.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Paying two days later.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I'm okay, yeah, that's fine, Okay, absolutely fine. I mean,
because what you're doing is you're stimulating your tissue to respond,
and with that stimulation it will adapt and get stronger.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What about the supplement side of things, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
A neara I don't know a lot about. There has
been a very very big movement in the last few
years around creating, which some big studies have come out recently.
And again I'm not a I'm not a physiologist or
a nutritionalist, in my advice is limited, but there have
been some very very powerful studies around the positive effects
of creating from both a muscular perspective but also a
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brain health perspective as well.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
So where is the role of We had I should
mention last week we had a he was an orthopedic surgeon,
but he was an arcologist as well, and because we're
talking about psychoma and which is a bone cancer, it
was fascinating how actually with Andy Johnston. You can go
listen to it on our podcast, by the way, But
one of the things that he mentioned in passing was
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that cartilage is part of the bone structure sort of thing.
So what's you got bones? Which are you know, we
all have an idea, we know what bones are, but
what's the role and importance of cartilage, strength and all
that sort of thing?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Where does just think of it as being like the
the lubrication on the end of the joint. So it's
worthy what we call the articular surfaces sort of work
with it. And you know, people cut off and say, well,
my cartilage is so worn down on bone on bone,
the likelihood of it being bone on bone is next
to nil. But as far as what we do know,
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and particularly as we age, there's always been these people
that have said, well, I shouldn't run, it's bad for
my joints, or I shouldn't backsquad or do deadlifts because
it's bad for my joints, are bad for my back. Well,
we know from a research perspective that's completely the opposite. Now,
if you're eighty five and you're still deadlifting, your joints
and your muscular scaletal system is going to be far
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superior to someone that is not. And particularly when you
think about historically, as you've gone through adulthood, you've set
yourself up for so much more postural success, reduced the
likelihood of falls, increased grip strengths, mental health.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All these things are the What are the signs that
bone density is an issue for you?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Or And I guess the question is, if there is
a sign that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Bone density is an issue, is it all too light
for you to do anything about it?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The first part of that is a difficult question. I
would suspect if you have a history of osteoporosis in
your family. That would be the first thing to think about.
The other one would be like, if you find yourself
doing something quite silly or like even whether it's a
sport like say running, and you get a stress fracture
under what would be regarded as fairly normal conditions, or
you fall and crack a bone, that would probably be
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a bit of a red flag. But what we do
know is that if you are diagnosed with osteopen your osteoporosis,
it is absolutely never ever too late in order to
start lifting weights to therefore have a positive effect on.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Your what's the first round osteo?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What osteopenia? So when you get if you were if
it was suspected that you may have bone mineral density issues,
you would be referred for what's called a DEXA scan,
and that gives you a score, a T score. So
normal healthy bone is anything greater than minus one point Oh,
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so if you've got a T score of say zero
or minus zero point nine, that is normal healthy bone.
A T score of minus one point zero to minus
two point four is called osteopenia, and minus two point
five or less is osteoporosis. So osteopenia is pre osteoporosis.
You're on that sort of that sliding scale, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Because you mentioned your cyclist who's high performing athlete, yes,
who went for a run that would turn out to
be longer than they planned and had a couple of
stress fractures. Yes, So what work did that athlete follow
up with once recovered to try and avoid that happening again?
You mentioned there were some dietary sort of issues with
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some cyclist female side.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So she's non weight bearing for quite a period of time, well,
minimal weight bearing, should I say, in order to try
and let the bone heal. I suspect I have treated
her on and off for years in a semi remote
sense as well, so I'm not taking the lead on
her rehe But she's doing she's back in the gym
doing upper body stuff. But I suspect that when it
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comes to being able to regain full postural three dimensional movement,
there will be some ply metrics.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
She's really had a she's really oh yeah, I had
a bit of a wall there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean, she can't she can't ride her bike at
the moment. It's it's been it's that pronounced. But she
will be progressively building into like plymetrics and heavy resistance training,
which we know is you know, again, as I sort
of saying before, how we start to build bowman or
density in stiffness in that sort of tissue.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hey, by the way, just before we take the break,
have you been following the tour front?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yes, God, that looks I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
There was some article about when amateur cyclists who are
really full on cyclists do it and the different sort
of reaction that they have, their bodies have, and there's
just a complete, completely different sort of physiology to those
professional anthems and.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
These guys and girls, because you know, the woman pro
tour as well is just as competitive as the men's.
They are supreme athletes. And saying that also they will
have the world's best sports science teams around them optimizing
everything for them as far as their diet and their
strength training and sleep and all that sort of stuff
as well. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, what these guys
are doing nowadays up these climbs is just it looks,
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it looks effortless, but you need to see them in
the flesh to know how fast they're actually going. It
is remarkable anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
By the way, that was just a little division for
me because I know Greg's and keen on the cycling
as a sport. But we would love your calls as
well if you've got any questions around you know, if
you and this all does tie into a little bit
about aging through the years and maintaining a healthy body,
have you ever had issues with your bone health? And
is bone health that's something that's somehow in the back
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of your mind, and if it is, when did it
become part of your thinking about the way.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
If you've got any questions for Greg as well, we'd
love to hear from you. On a eighty ten eighty
it might actually be something unrelated to bone health, because
he is a biomechanist and he's we have lots of
calls from people just wanting to check about whether this
particular type of exercise is something they need to do
more of, or stop altogether, or whatever. So your calls
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty text nine two nine two.
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It's twenty two and a half past four oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Back in the month, News.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Talk said be where with Greg Pain from BioSport, and
we're going to dig into the work that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Greg's doing, some increasing work on bone density as well.
We're taking your calls as well.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Kevin High, Oh there, Kevin, Hello, Greg? Can I ask
you a personal question first?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Greg, Well, you get the answer.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
No, that's all right. Have you got a grandfather called Doug?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I don't. There are I don't. I mean my surname
is pai In and there are a very very very
very few of us, and we're actually family.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Let's get We've got a lot of callers.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Get back to where we're going.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
I have oopena, they tell me, and I broke my
hip while training for a marathon. I'm seventy six years
old and I've run marathons all my life, done weight training,
heavy weight training and all that sort of things and stretching,
and I've still got osteropena.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So lifting heavy weights is not going to cure osteopene
your ostereoporosis. That's not by my understanding. And I'm very
careful with these sort of definitive statements that I make,
particularly live on here.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But what heavy.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Resistance training and impact training will do is an it
can slow down and in some cases, if you go
heavy enough and with enough consistency, as in twice a week,
you can start to reverse but not cure the bone
mineral issues, particularly in your lumber spine and your neck
of fema, which is the top of your thighbone. So
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what I would say, what I would say is like,
if you weren't running, and if you hadn't done what
you've done historically, the osteopenia that you currently have, which
for people who again listening, is the precursor to osteoporosis,
it could quite easily be a lot worse than what
it is now. So that's probably how I'd look at
reframing it. But by the sounds of it, the stuff
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that you're doing with your running and your gym training
again making sure that the gym training is quite heavy
and carefully monitored, I would say, you're doing the right things.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Okay, well I'd had to stop doing a lot of
that training now, But well, I did do one thing
I think that messed me up is I was a vegan, Okay, yeah,
and I don't think I was getting the minerals for
my boned Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Get some good directory advice on that stuff as well.
There would be my advice.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, I must say, just we touched on supplements before,
and that's not part of your ballpark. But I must say,
unless something is prescribed or something that doctor says to me,
you should be taking this, and I don't go any supplements.
You know, you take them and you don't take and
you don't know it's the difference. I'm like that, you know,
placebo effect. Yeah, so yeah, and especially if there's been
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some sort of over saturation of advertising particular product, to
stay well clear of it.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I do know around bone health, you know, having a
high calcium diet is really really important and that's where
historically vegans and vegetarians can struggle to get enough on board.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
All right, Phil, gooda, good tim and here you guys,
good thank you. I've got a real problem now with
my shoulder which is causing me a lot of pain.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
End of the dock.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
And he says, it's just I'm fifty eight. Is just
we're and tear and it's me road a cup. And
what I was going to ask you was I always
thought if it was your road a cup, then the
only thing to ultimately fix it as an operation. And
I was wondering if taping. I was just talking to
somebody and they say they got sort of problems. They
find taping help. And there's cortisone injections. Am I right?
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And is there any worth doing it? He's just given
me panadole to say take the pain.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
There is a lot you can do from an exercise
prescription perspective. Taping can certainly help to sort of put
the shoulder maybe a little bit better in the joint.
But I would certainly i'd be looking for a good
physiotherapist to some to give you the correct exercises to
start strengthening. That would be my go to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, thanks for your core Feld. We've got to keep
moving on a very busy board there, of course.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Julie, Hello, oh good morning.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I've just been finding this really interesting because I'm fifty
two years old. I've got ostroporosis. I've crushed vertebrae due
to that, and since I've found that I haven't been
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being consistent with my I was a big gym goer,
big runner. Yeah, I haven't been as consistent just to
life with my gym work. It has actually got a
lot worse. I just wanted to just say thank you
for saying that because actually it makes it very very
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very big difference.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And the good thing is is that I mean, and
you know, I sympathize with your history and where where
your spine is, but you can still again with supervision,
with the correct guidance, you still can lift weight with
the correct technique and still have positive effects on the bone.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
And I was told that, you know, because it was
it was it's not that great, but I was told
that if I had an operation it would be it's
quite a big operation and of at least six months.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Just keep keep building that strength up as much as
you can.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I just thought I chose not to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm pretty.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Sure that if I keep up doing what I'm doing
and you know, looking after my diet.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, it's a it's very much of a holistic approach
that you must have towards bone. Howth that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, thanks for you, col Julie. We've got to keep
it going. Where are we up to leave?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hello? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
How you do?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Good day?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
How How Hey? I'm fifty three years old. I was
landscaping most of my life, as well as cobblestone driveways.
Basically started feeling pain in my back and which the
doctors sort of just kind of dismissed. You know, anti
inflammatory is any So it was heard it was hitting
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pretty bad, so I basically pushed for I changed my
doctor and told him. He sent me to a specialist.
They x rayed and there was three vertebrae that had
you know, when it starts looking like there's thing in between,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
There is an inevitable compression.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, and it's lower back. I am a park range now,
still doing very physical work in pain, sometimes not in
pain other times, Damian, I look with more things for
a while. I've got off that because it just makes
into the zombie. And what I want to know is
I have done the gym a lot and I want
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to keep doing it. Is it all right? Are those
three vetebra are going to get worse? Or are they
going to get I mean, is this going to what's
going to happen there?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
If I is it a general sweeping statement obviously without
seeing you. My suggestion is that if you can go
to the gym and keep the load under control so
that it's not inducing pain, and be very very particular
with your technique, like particularly along the likes to say
back squats and deadlifts. Your spine will thank you for it.
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It's again the discs where they are at. But building
strength around that tissue, from what I can suggest, would
only be beneficial and it will help you from a
postural perspective going forward and with aging and everything as well.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, obviously I've got weight issues as well, so I
need to lose weight, which I'm trying to work on.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And we know that sort of resistance training is also
very effective at increasing your metabolic rate to help with
weight loss as well.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Actually, at what point, I mean, at what point you
should you exercise in consultation with advice from your doctor
as well, if you know, I.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Mean you should always get your primary caregiver or primary
medical health provider should also be should be the first
person to guide you down that right path. The problem
that we have is that not enough people from either
a doctor or a physio perspective, and I work a
lot with physios don't understand the funner details or have
the comfort to push someone down that correct path, so
(25:01):
it can be a bit tricky.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, okay, thanks for call Warren.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Hello, Hello, I warrant.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Yeah, I've got your own in my left but I've
had it on and off over twenty years, and I'm
just wondering what to do to manage it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
This is an area a little outside of my scope.
I'm sorry. What I would Yeah, if you're struggling with
the fundamentals being walking and being nice and upright, I
would certainly get advice from a muscular skillettal specialist Okay,
Cairo physio, just to try and figure out are there
exercises you can do, what can be done to help
(25:42):
the neurological response. Yeah, I'm sorry I can't provide, but
much more advice than that, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks for that, Thanks for call that one. Cheers, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Now, Actually you were saying in the break that the
osteos of the bone question something that you're getting more
and more traffic on your and your business on by
a sport.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean, I actually built my website myself from scratch
and very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well done, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And so what I what I you know, after these shows,
I look at the back end and I look at
the traffic, and what's remarkable is that when we talk
about this bone health stuff in particular, I would probably
see the biggest spike in numbers hitting my website, even
in comparison to say sporting particular discussions. So it's it's
been a it's a very interesting and a very powerful
subject for a lot of people to invest.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well what I mean, have you have you actually respond
to that in terms of the stuff that you offer
on your and your business.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Well, yeah, I mean I'm actually in the process. I've
got a new brand that I'm working on now, which
is around it's called Osa's Health, osus being the Latin
term for bone. So we're in September one. We're actually
starting some osteoporosis specific group classes.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Wow okay, And.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
People can go to my website and they can register
their expression of interest. It's on the homepage.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's very easy to mean group classes in person or
online or what.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
No, always in person. At this stage it's only in Auckland,
but we have intention to take it outside of.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Or what's the goal for it?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What's the goal for those classes for people who've got
who are addressing what so specific?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Heavy lifting very very it's based around the lift more
studies which we have discussed in oh yeah yeah, So
it's the heavy lifting protocol with some sort of bios
bought specific exercise prescription thrown in. But it's again very
much around the bone.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Health, and in particular that's for people who I guess
the thing that's for anyone who's got worries about bone
density and you know you talked about the sort of
weights you're going to be lifting.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
To many people that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Is intimidating and a little bit I can't think of
the word, but it's something that makes you a bit cautious.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is this what to help people?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
The thing is with these studies, what we have seen
when they are done correctly, the injury rates are very
very very very low. But when they initially did these
first study, the first lift more studies in Australia in
late twenty eighteen, they found that within this the experimental group,
which was fifty women, the first group was a postmenopause
or osteoproduct female population, one woman had a low grade
(28:03):
back injury that she missed training for one week and
it was twice a week, eight month long study, so
one injury.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So but is that what you're also helping with is
getting people into that sort of lift more in an
environment where they can be confident that they're doing it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Right, confident, and also you get so much out of
being in a group environment. Look, if you're doing it
as a group of people who are suffering from ostop
and your osteoporosis, and you can do it together in
a supportive environment, the effects are so far superior than
just trying to do it in a one on one
type situation. But the safety is the key.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Gosh, we could do almost to a Wholton talk back
about group exercise actually, because there is something in that
isn't there just about it's not necessarily even having the appointment,
but just people need people.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh, social interaction, mental health. Yeah, we could talk about
this for a now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But we're gonna take more calls. We're talking about we
haven't even got onto the aging sort of through exercise
through the ages, which we will do if we don't
get onto this another time.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But we've got more calls. So there are a couple
of spear lines there though. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty text nine to nine two. This is a health
hab it's Greg Pain.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're listening to his website if you want to go
and check it out is BioSport dot co dot nz.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And he mentioned.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think in September he's launching some work on to
do with exercising for bone density. So you can go
and check out his website. It is twenty one minutes
to five News Talks it b Yes News Talk's hed
b Tim beverage with Greek pain from BioSport dot co
dot n z.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's take some more calls.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
Lynn, Hello, Yeah, good afternoon. Hi, I'm just one.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
I'm well.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
I'm good except for my husband. He was standing on
the rubbish and trying to jump it down. I'm catching
high biscus and he got stabbed and he asked me
to get him out where our fence line joins the
passes next door. And I couldn't have hurt my knee
(29:59):
plus my shoulder. I've been to the doctor, yep. But
we didn't even get around to my knee. And I
do a lot of walking.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
He was stuck in some high biscus.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
The image imagine in my head is quite interesting. Right now,
I'm not quite sure where I'm taking this.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It was.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
I got the hysterics after I tried to get him out.
I got my neighbor over.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Sounds like a great relationship to me.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Anyway. So what have you done. You've damaged some cartilage.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Or something at the top on the left side of
my shoulder. Yea, And my doctor reckons I should have
physy I which have booked and to start on Tuesday.
But the thing is I didn't even bring up about
my knee.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Now my knee, I walk up a hell to come
home from the beach. Yep, because I do live on
the High Biscus Coast.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes, appropriately, yes, look has of living in the High
Biscus Coast.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Okay, we'll hand it over to greeg Now great, where
you go.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
All I was going to say is the difficulty we
have here is that trying to manage a sudden onset
of pain due to helping your husband get out of
his predicament is very difficult for me to try and
give you good advice on. All I would say is,
obviously bring it up with your physio. I mean, you
might have to double down on your appointment as far
(31:33):
as what you're trying to extract out of the physio.
But you know, it's just really important. I'm sort of
slightly segueing here, but a lot of people when they
receipt when they're in pain, they try and think to
them well, so they think to themselves, I need to
stop doing something, to stop walking. That's the biggest mistake
you can make. You must keep walking, you must keep moving,
(31:53):
You must keep exercising, and let the physio guide the
process as far as exercise, prescription or soft tissue or
whatever is necessary to manage the two joints in your case.
But certainly I would focus on not not doing anything,
if that makes sense to me.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Yeah, that's what my doctor said. Well, I didn't bring
up about the knee, but I like just one. I
go to the pool about three times a week plus.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
As long as those pain levels are not getting too high,
I would suggest, again a very generalized suggestion. I would
suggest keeping on moving as long as your pain levels
stay about A three or below a three or four
out of ten. But again, let the physical, let the
physio guide that that path through to rehab recovery.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Okay, good stuff. Watch those watch those high biscuits.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Thank you, I will don't come out. They might jump out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Beautiful plant.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Actual hibiscus aren't absolutely gorgeous. Who would have known you
could get stuck? And it must have been it must
have really laid waste a lot of hibiscus to be
stuck in the in the in the rubbish pile.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The image in my head.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah right, let's take some more calls.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Lee, Hello, oh.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Good afternoon. I'm ringing about the gentleman who rang.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Up about his rotocuff rotator cuff?
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yes, yeah, Now did his doctor say he did have
a rotocuff problem or he may have?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I don't recall.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Now, I don't think he said either either. But I'll
tell you what, going to physio or not fix it
if the rotocuff has snapped.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Oh yes, yeah, I know, But you need to get
that diagnosis first to try and figure out what's actually happened.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
To get a proper diagnosis, he's got to have an
x ray. This happened to my mother and she was
told to go to a physio and that didn't work.
So they eventually gave her an X ray and found
that the rotor cuff had completely snapped. Now to have
an operation, there's only about a fifteen percent chance that
it do any God, he may just have to learn
(34:08):
to live with it, and he may not be able
to move his arm maybe up above his shoulder, But
you do learn to live with it, but he's got
to get a proper diagnosis. Consider of these doctors saying
you may have, you might have, and everybody got running
us being told to go after a physio. Physios, don't
(34:28):
you've got to know what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, look, look I'm going to interrupt you and just say, look,
there are some fantastic physios, some fantastic doctors. So it's
just about it's about finding the right person to help
manage you. That's that's where I think we should leave it.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, okay, thanks Ley. Actually somebody was to start.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
We were having a chat about qualifications because sometimes pops
up people asking what to you know, what's the difference
between a biomechanist and what qualifications? Because our producer Tire
has got a relative who's doing by who's going to
study to be a biomechanist?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
But what what What is the course of study that
you do these days?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
To do what you do, you've got to go through
a sports science degree. So I I was a graduate
of the Oakland University Sports Science program, and within that
program we could go down the path of sort of
physiology or biomechanics. And yeah, I went down to the
biomechanics path. Which yeah, it's how many.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Means how many biomechanists are there? Not many? Not many,
not many.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I mean a lot of biomechanists go down that sort
of the numbers path as far as looking at hard data,
whereas I'm more of a movement specialist.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Actually, to be honest, the question that was asked on
text was a lot ruder. I just you know, people
are just sending us at a hate mailer. Who's this
guy to be talking about this? It was wooded than that,
but I asked it nicely to you.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't get hate mail, do I not?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Really just a hate question.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
People are very cynical these days, So I just dressed
it up nicely so we could get the actual facts
from you.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
In this way, it is a qualification and it didn't
come out of a week bix box.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There we go, and he has treated some pretty amazing
athletes and they trust him as well. Like I mean,
we dropped Lisa Carrington's name, and they're probably because it's
sort of hard to go parss le Carrington.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
But anyway, she's a special woman. She is pretty phenomenal,
isn't she is? Guess what time for break?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We'll be back and we'll see if we can squeeze
some texts and some more cause it's eleven minutes to five.
But by the way, if you do want to check
out the work that Greg does and look, I don't
think it's on his website yet, but we are talking
about bone density and coincidentally, Greg gets a lot of
inquiries about this and is going to be running some
classes I think starting around September. But you can go
(36:32):
and sort of just register for news on his website
and buyosport dot court at and z if you like,
especially the cynical one. You'll be right in there, won't you.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
John.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Anyway, we'll be back in just the tickets. Eleven minutes
to five. Yes, welcome back to the weekend Collective. Time
(37:03):
for one more call. By the way, the wh we're playing,
don't stop because generally that is one of the bits
of advice that Greg would frequently give out when it
comes to moving and keeping fo you just don't stop.
Look at art Jelly years old and he still does
I don't know what he says. He does half squats?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
What are they just slightly their steps?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Okay, yeah that one. And he doesn't look at day
over seventy.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Three and tomorrow's I've got a big I've got a
slightly stoic approach to these sorts of things. Tomorrow is
the first opportunity to be better than you are today.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh look at you.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You need a book of expressions for a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Okay, lucky. Last cour we only had a couple of minutes.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
So Sharon, Hello, Hi, Yeah, Sharon here, good afternoon. Yeah.
I just want to say about my experience with joining
a gym recently. I am in my sixties, late sixties,
still working in a nurse and got talked into joining
a gym to improve phone density because I have a stupenia.
(38:05):
I have had a claster twice previously. Quite a bit ish,
but yeah, I was talking to the gym to go
and so I'd avoid any injury and for balance and
for core strength.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Perfect.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
I paid my money, you did my little bit of
a thing before and then I had one session in
the gym which was a good two hour session, never
having been in a gym in my life, and my
neck is what you could call injured. Acc have accepted
(38:44):
it and I am waiting to see a spinal surgeon now.
After joining the gym, which was the ten years younger
gym and now I feel ten years older quitely.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Well, I mean the thing is is that when you
start going into a gym, you need to start ramping
up very very very slowly, keep it very very simple,
but also getting that supervision as key as well, so
that we don't hear stories, which is I'm really sorry
to hear that that situation you found yourself and that's
that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
Yeah, So I think I'm one of the people today
in the news that a causing the ACC millions of
dollars with a gym injury. But it was all done
in good faith to.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't think anyone begrudges that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
If you know you're getting out there and trying to
improve your life in ACC I think that's what that
should be there for. So I don't feel bad about that, Sharon,
but absolutely thank goodness for ACC. Actually, just on that,
I think that's the thing that people haven't been doing weights.
That is the thing about if you're going to get
in and start doing something to work on that, don't
go I mean, how do you do those what for
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you as a heavy weight without buggering yourself?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Day one?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Heavy is relative to you as an individual, so my
heavy might be your light yew and vice versa. So
it's just about starting getting your technique right, starting very
very light, do the basics well, spend half an hour
and that's it, and then just start really really slowly
from there. It's a cham core progressive overload if you
can follow that, your three quarters of the way there.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And I think I could probably offer this bit of
advice as well. Don't base the weight that you're lifting
on your glory days.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Definitely not, and don't base your weight on anybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Just start with the bar probably is reasonably safe, and
get the technique right, get some advice, and hey Greg,
great to see you mate, and all the best as always.
But if you want to go and check out Greg's
website and his work, or be involved in any of
his courses BioSport, dot cod and z he's got some
good free online courses as.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well in your own checkout and thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And you can catch the previous hour on where you
get your podcast, which is iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I always love these hours. Mate. We'll be back. It's
smart Money's next Rupert.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Carla On is with us from Cora Well talking about
the lessons you should teach you kids about money or
shouldn't teach your kids, depending on how good you are
with money.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to news
Talk z BE weekends from three pm.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yeah said, welcome back. This is the Weekend Collective. I'm
Tim Beverage. And by the way, if you missed Politics Central,
do go and have a listen to the interviews we
have with Nicola Wallace and Erica Stanford as well. Or
you can go to the News Talk SIV website. The
interviews are up already and you can go and check
those out. We'd love you to check those out on Also,
iHeartRadio is the other place, but News Talks website.
Speaker 3 (01:03):
It's a good always a good place to start. Anyway.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Now it's the health Hub and were I want to
introduce the topics straight away, I'll just get into who's
in the studio. He's a by mechanist buy a sport.
He's one of our regulars. Love having him on the show.
Speaker 3 (01:17):
And his name is Greg Payne and Greg.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Hi.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
Happy Sunday, Tim Happy, Yes, Happy Sunday, Happy day before workday.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, that's the one. Well this is my workday actually,
so this is this is my Monday.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
How you been keeping all right? Good?
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Yeah, no, very good. We're very lucky. We my partner Kirsty,
We've got her. One of her family members has got
a lovely holiday home at Wonnaca that we get to
make use of for a week. So heading down there
and getting a bit of time on the ski fields
with all four kids, the mixed menagerie, as I like
to call.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
Them, fantastic. Was that just just the week that's gone?
The second week of second week? How are the crowds?
It's triple Conekadrina.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
We're at Kadrona and it wasn't too bad. To be fair,
it wasn't as bad as we've seen in the past.
So yeah, we're lucky. We get get use of the house,
in the car and three days skiing and it's just
great for all six of us.
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I heard I speaking to a friend who was down
in Queenstown and said it was like being in Australia
with just just Australians everywhere she turned.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
It was like it was like a state of Australia.
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Yeah, I'm definite. I'm one of these people on the lifts.
I love having chats with random people. And there was
certainly a lot of a lot of Australian accidents on
those cheer lifts, that's for sure. And I think I
told you last year I was voice recognized. Came from
the radio. Really, yes, Wow, the first time I.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Felt like I recognized, well more or less.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
It's you know, it was a it was a conversation.
He said, I recognize your voice.
Speaker 3 (02:43):
Oh wow.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
Actually makes me a D grade celebrity grade probably.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
Along with me about minus.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
We'll take it. We'll take it.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
Actually funny, I went, when we're in Methven, we went
to an Irish pub and the matre d there ironically
is French. And I asked, we just popped in earlier
to say do we need to book a table or something?
And he said yeah, I won't to his accent and
he said, yeah you might need to.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
And he said just leave us your name. Where would
you like sit?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
And I said, or was there are a good seats
somewhere near the fire And he goes, yeah, what's what's
your name? And he goes I said Tim, and he goes,
what's your last name? But when he asked me my
last name, it's like, what did you need my last
name for? And as soon as I said beverage, he
goes other newsks be in the afternoons. I said, does
that mean I get her a good or a bad seat.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
Luckily it means I got a good seat, good scene anyway,
nice to have in the studio.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
Almost put my papers away there because I was busy
just bantering away.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now, bone health, Yes.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
We talked about bone health a lot, probably because you
hear an advert for some supplement or something, and you
hear about as you get it, and you do hear
as you get older about keeping you know how important
bone health is in the density of your bones, because well,
the question of frailty I guess once you pass the
sixty mark or beyond, and bone health is the difference
(03:59):
between saying that you fell over or you had a fall.
I think, if you're bone house's not good, you had
a fall. If your bone house's good, you fell over
and got back up.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
The bone health industry has sort of been turned on
its ere as far as how we treat from a
muscular scaltal perspective, not from a medication perspective. That's not
my wheelhouse. But technically our bones start to lose bone
mineral density from about age thirty five, so you could
almost say we're starting to age from about thirty five.
So what you do when you're going through puberty and
(04:32):
all through those earlier developmenttal years does make a big
difference as far as how your bone health is and
your muscular health as well is maintained through aging life.
But there's been a really big shift in the last
few years as far as the efficacy of certain types
of resistance training and how it can have a hugely
positive and a safe effect on your bone mineral density.
(04:54):
So from my perspective, and I'm moving more into the
bone health area, it's a very exciting time because.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
You work with some athletes who are in their prime
as bone health some sort of question that they has
anything to do with them the way they look after themselves, not.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
At that elite level of athleticness, you could say, cyclists
do have to be careful with that. I've got a
young lady who I treat it. She's a pro team
in Australia, very very good cyclist, and one of her
friends decided to take her for a run that was
supposed to be sort of two kilometers long, and it
(05:33):
ended up being ten kilometers long, by which time at
the end of that run, she'd developed bilateral stress fractures
in both of her shin bones. Bloody hell, there is
a low grade history of eating issues there, which is
very common in cyclists and more so female cyclists. But
because she had spent so long on a bike which
doesn't involve ground.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Reactions or impact.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Yes, it's that impact that is keif as one of
the keys for maintaining bone health.
Speaker 2 (05:59):
Actually does that mean if you are someone whose cycles
and you know you're rocking with the aerobic health and
you can you know, you go for a bike ride
and you cycle around half of the North Island just
of an afternoon, that maybe you should get off and
give the give give you a I don't want to
say give your body a bit of a jolt, but.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
We'll do some impact, right, Impact is key, really absolutely.
I mean, if you do suffer from bone mineral bone
mineral density issues, if you've got osteopen your osteoporosis, ostereopene,
you're being pre osteoporosis. The number one thing that you
must do on a highly regular basis is walk with
a moderate degree of intensity because it's that impact. Like,
(06:37):
if you really struggle with bone health issues and you
want to ride a bike or go swimming, great for
your cardiovascular health for sure, but you're not going. It's
the impact that will help to stimulate bone remineralization. It's
called Wolf's law.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
So and actually does weight weight low weight bearing exercise
does that have something to do with helping? Because my
if you went here right now and I was having
a conversation, I be saying and somebody was like, oh,
what do you know about bone density?
Speaker 3 (07:08):
And I would say, well, like.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
I gather that as people get older that one of
the reasons they should do weight bearing exercises is to
assist with bone densityes Am I right or wrong?
Speaker 4 (07:16):
You are right? You are right to a degree. And
this is sort of where things have been turned around
in the last few years, and which is where I'm
sort of steering my business a bit as well. Is
in order to help lay down bone density or reduce
bone mineral loss, the resistance training that you are doing
(07:38):
must be at a heavy enough level. It must be
greater than eighty to eighty five percent of your one
repetition maximum. If you're doing like a backsquad or a deadlift,
which is heavy hang on hold must be wark so
you need it. So let's just say a Timkin back
squad or deadlift one hundred kgs once, but you can't
do it twice. Your one r REM would be one
(08:00):
hundred CAGs for that particular movement. Now, we don't get
people to do that. Just in order to help create
and create a positive change for bone mineral density, you
need to be within eighty to eighty five percent of
that load.
Speaker 3 (08:16):
Blimey.
Speaker 4 (08:17):
That's huge, it is. But when it's done correctly, it's
also very very safe.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
Because I reckon, I mean I did left about eighty
kilo's three sets of eight with a minute's rest, which
is fairly full on.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
So I reckon I could probably do, but I have
to say it's pretty bloody heavy.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
Yeah, So what you should be doing if you're looking
at bone health is maybe having that weight maybe a
touch lower, not much.
Speaker 3 (08:39):
Doing a few less, get your reps.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Down and do more sets. So one minute rest between
each set is fine. Five sets of five is above
eighty eighty five percent as well.
Speaker 3 (08:51):
That's hardcore training, greg.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It is. But the thing is that with these populations,
it's in a supervised environment, which is key, and it's
done with regularity, which is also key. And the studies
have shown that you can actually even if you're an
eight eighty five year old man and a woman with
quite severe osteoporosis, and you get into this heavy resistance training,
you can slow down or even slightly turn around that
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bone mineralization issue.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Now, I mentioned deadlift only because I think it's filed
away in the back.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Of my mind.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
That might have been you or someone else. He said,
if you can only ever do one weight exercise, it
would be the deadlift.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Yes, and so I filed that away.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
It's a funny exercise, the deadlift, because it's just it's
hard work. And I must say, do you feel sometimes
a little bit stiff afterwards?
Speaker 3 (09:40):
What day or day later or a few hours later.
Speaker 4 (09:42):
I mean a little bit of what we call delayed
on set muscle solness is fine?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
Okay, that's not bad.
Speaker 4 (09:47):
I mean you need to differentiate what is fatigue and what's.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
Paying two days later.
Speaker 4 (09:51):
I'm okay, yeah, that's fine, Okay, absolutely fine. I mean,
because what you're doing is you're stimulating your tissue to respond,
and with that stimulation it will adapt and get stronger.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
What about the supplement side of things, it's.
Speaker 4 (10:03):
A neara I don't know a lot about. There has
been a very very big movement in the last few
years around creating, which some big studies have come out recently.
And again I'm not a I'm not a physiologist or
a nutritionalist, in my advice is limited, but there have
been some very very powerful studies around the positive effects
of creating from both a muscular perspective but also a
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brain health perspective as well.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
So where is the role of We had I should
mention last week we had a he was an orthopedic surgeon,
but he was an arcologist as well, and because we're
talking about psychoma and which is a bone cancer, it
was fascinating how actually with Andy Johnston. You can go
listen to it on our podcast, by the way, But
one of the things that he mentioned in passing was
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that cartilage is part of the bone structure sort of thing.
So what's you got bones? Which are you know, we
all have an idea, we know what bones are, but
what's the role and importance of cartilage, strength and all
that sort of thing?
Speaker 4 (11:01):
Where does just think of it as being like the
the lubrication on the end of the joint. So it's
worthy what we call the articular surfaces sort of work
with it. And you know, people cut off and say, well,
my cartilage is so worn down on bone on bone,
the likelihood of it being bone on bone is next
to nil. But as far as what we do know,
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and particularly as we age, there's always been these people
that have said, well, I shouldn't run, it's bad for
my joints, or I shouldn't backsquad or do deadlifts because
it's bad for my joints, are bad for my back. Well,
we know from a research perspective that's completely the opposite. Now,
if you're eighty five and you're still deadlifting, your joints
and your muscular scaletal system is going to be far
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superior to someone that is not. And particularly when you
think about historically, as you've gone through adulthood, you've set
yourself up for so much more postural success, reduced the
likelihood of falls, increased grip strengths, mental health.
Speaker 2 (11:56):
All these things are the What are the signs that
bone density is an issue for you?
Speaker 3 (12:02):
Or And I guess the question is, if there is
a sign that.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Bone density is an issue, is it all too light
for you to do anything about it?
Speaker 4 (12:11):
The first part of that is a difficult question. I
would suspect if you have a history of osteoporosis in
your family. That would be the first thing to think about.
The other one would be like, if you find yourself
doing something quite silly or like even whether it's a
sport like say running, and you get a stress fracture
under what would be regarded as fairly normal conditions, or
you fall and crack a bone, that would probably be
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a bit of a red flag. But what we do
know is that if you are diagnosed with osteopen your osteoporosis,
it is absolutely never ever too late in order to
start lifting weights to therefore have a positive effect on.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
Your what's the first round osteo?
Speaker 4 (12:46):
What osteopenia? So when you get if you were if
it was suspected that you may have bone mineral density issues,
you would be referred for what's called a DEXA scan,
and that gives you a score, a T score. So
normal healthy bone is anything greater than minus one point Oh,
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so if you've got a T score of say zero
or minus zero point nine, that is normal healthy bone.
A T score of minus one point zero to minus
two point four is called osteopenia, and minus two point
five or less is osteoporosis. So osteopenia is pre osteoporosis.
You're on that sort of that sliding scale, so to speak.
Speaker 2 (13:27):
Because you mentioned your cyclist who's high performing athlete, yes,
who went for a run that would turn out to
be longer than they planned and had a couple of
stress fractures. Yes, So what work did that athlete follow
up with once recovered to try and avoid that happening again?
You mentioned there were some dietary sort of issues with
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some cyclist female side.
Speaker 4 (13:49):
So she's non weight bearing for quite a period of time, well,
minimal weight bearing, should I say, in order to try
and let the bone heal. I suspect I have treated
her on and off for years in a semi remote
sense as well, so I'm not taking the lead on
her rehe But she's doing she's back in the gym
doing upper body stuff. But I suspect that when it
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comes to being able to regain full postural three dimensional movement,
there will be some ply metrics.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
She's really had a she's really oh yeah, I had
a bit of a wall there.
Speaker 4 (14:22):
I mean, she can't she can't ride her bike at
the moment. It's it's been it's that pronounced. But she
will be progressively building into like plymetrics and heavy resistance training,
which we know is you know, again, as I sort
of saying before, how we start to build bowman or
density in stiffness in that sort of tissue.
Speaker 2 (14:39):
Hey, by the way, just before we take the break,
have you been following the tour front?
Speaker 5 (14:43):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yes, God, that looks I don't know how they do it.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
There was some article about when amateur cyclists who are
really full on cyclists do it and the different sort
of reaction that they have, their bodies have, and there's
just a complete, completely different sort of physiology to those
professional anthems and.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
These guys and girls, because you know, the woman pro
tour as well is just as competitive as the men's.
They are supreme athletes. And saying that also they will
have the world's best sports science teams around them optimizing
everything for them as far as their diet and their
strength training and sleep and all that sort of stuff
as well. Yeah, but yeah, I mean, what these guys
are doing nowadays up these climbs is just it looks,
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it looks effortless, but you need to see them in
the flesh to know how fast they're actually going. It
is remarkable anyway.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
By the way, that was just a little division for
me because I know Greg's and keen on the cycling
as a sport. But we would love your calls as
well if you've got any questions around you know, if
you and this all does tie into a little bit
about aging through the years and maintaining a healthy body,
have you ever had issues with your bone health? And
is bone health that's something that's somehow in the back
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of your mind, and if it is, when did it
become part of your thinking about the way.
Speaker 3 (16:00):
You look after yourself.
Speaker 2 (16:01):
If you've got any questions for Greg as well, we'd
love to hear from you. On a eighty ten eighty
it might actually be something unrelated to bone health, because
he is a biomechanist and he's we have lots of
calls from people just wanting to check about whether this
particular type of exercise is something they need to do
more of, or stop altogether, or whatever. So your calls
on eight hundred eighty ten eighty text nine two nine two.
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It's twenty two and a half past four oh eight
hundred and eighty ten eighty.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Back in the month, News.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Talk said be where with Greg Pain from BioSport, and
we're going to dig into the work that.
Speaker 3 (16:31):
Greg's doing, some increasing work on bone density as well.
We're taking your calls as well.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Kevin High, Oh there, Kevin, Hello, Greg? Can I ask
you a personal question first?
Speaker 3 (16:43):
Greg, Well, you get the answer.
Speaker 6 (16:47):
No, that's all right. Have you got a grandfather called Doug?
Speaker 3 (16:51):
No?
Speaker 4 (16:51):
I don't. There are I don't. I mean my surname
is pai In and there are a very very very
very few of us, and we're actually family.
Speaker 3 (17:01):
Let's get We've got a lot of callers.
Speaker 6 (17:02):
Get back to where we're going.
Speaker 3 (17:03):
Yeah, let's go.
Speaker 6 (17:06):
I have oopena, they tell me, and I broke my
hip while training for a marathon. I'm seventy six years
old and I've run marathons all my life, done weight training,
heavy weight training and all that sort of things and stretching,
and I've still got osteropena.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
So lifting heavy weights is not going to cure osteopene
your ostereoporosis. That's not by my understanding. And I'm very
careful with these sort of definitive statements that I make,
particularly live on here.
Speaker 3 (17:36):
But what heavy.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Resistance training and impact training will do is an it
can slow down and in some cases, if you go
heavy enough and with enough consistency, as in twice a week,
you can start to reverse but not cure the bone
mineral issues, particularly in your lumber spine and your neck
of fema, which is the top of your thighbone. So
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what I would say, what I would say is like,
if you weren't running, and if you hadn't done what
you've done historically, the osteopenia that you currently have, which
for people who again listening, is the precursor to osteoporosis,
it could quite easily be a lot worse than what
it is now. So that's probably how I'd look at
reframing it. But by the sounds of it, the stuff
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that you're doing with your running and your gym training
again making sure that the gym training is quite heavy
and carefully monitored, I would say, you're doing the right things.
Speaker 6 (18:30):
Okay, well I'd had to stop doing a lot of
that training now, But well, I did do one thing
I think that messed me up is I was a vegan, Okay, yeah,
and I don't think I was getting the minerals for
my boned Okay.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Get some good directory advice on that stuff as well.
There would be my advice.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Yeah, I must say, just we touched on supplements before,
and that's not part of your ballpark. But I must say,
unless something is prescribed or something that doctor says to me,
you should be taking this, and I don't go any supplements.
You know, you take them and you don't take and
you don't know it's the difference. I'm like that, you know,
placebo effect. Yeah, so yeah, and especially if there's been
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some sort of over saturation of advertising particular product, to
stay well clear of it.
Speaker 4 (19:17):
I do know around bone health, you know, having a
high calcium diet is really really important and that's where
historically vegans and vegetarians can struggle to get enough on board.
Speaker 7 (19:26):
All right, Phil, gooda, good tim and here you guys,
good thank you. I've got a real problem now with
my shoulder which is causing me a lot of pain.
Speaker 8 (19:41):
End of the dock.
Speaker 7 (19:42):
And he says, it's just I'm fifty eight. Is just
we're and tear and it's me road a cup. And
what I was going to ask you was I always
thought if it was your road a cup, then the
only thing to ultimately fix it as an operation. And
I was wondering if taping. I was just talking to
somebody and they say they got sort of problems. They
find taping help. And there's cortisone injections. Am I right?
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And is there any worth doing it? He's just given
me panadole to say take the pain.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
There is a lot you can do from an exercise
prescription perspective. Taping can certainly help to sort of put
the shoulder maybe a little bit better in the joint.
But I would certainly i'd be looking for a good
physiotherapist to some to give you the correct exercises to
start strengthening. That would be my go to.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
Okay, thanks for your core Feld. We've got to keep
moving on a very busy board there, of course.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
Julie, Hello, oh good morning.
Speaker 5 (20:39):
I've just been finding this really interesting because I'm fifty
two years old. I've got ostroporosis. I've crushed vertebrae due
to that, and since I've found that I haven't been
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being consistent with my I was a big gym goer,
big runner. Yeah, I haven't been as consistent just to
life with my gym work. It has actually got a
lot worse. I just wanted to just say thank you
for saying that because actually it makes it very very
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very big difference.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
And the good thing is is that I mean, and
you know, I sympathize with your history and where where
your spine is, but you can still again with supervision,
with the correct guidance, you still can lift weight with
the correct technique and still have positive effects on the bone.
Speaker 3 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:44):
And I was told that, you know, because it was
it was it's not that great, but I was told
that if I had an operation it would be it's
quite a big operation and of at least six months.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Just keep keep building that strength up as much as
you can.
Speaker 5 (22:04):
I just thought I chose not to do that.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
Yeah, yeah, okay, I'm pretty.
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Sure that if I keep up doing what I'm doing
and you know, looking after my diet.
Speaker 4 (22:15):
Yeah, it's a it's very much of a holistic approach
that you must have towards bone. Howth that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Yeah, thanks for you, col Julie. We've got to keep
it going. Where are we up to leave?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Hello? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (22:27):
How you do?
Speaker 3 (22:28):
Good day?
Speaker 1 (22:30):
How How Hey? I'm fifty three years old. I was
landscaping most of my life, as well as cobblestone driveways.
Basically started feeling pain in my back and which the
doctors sort of just kind of dismissed. You know, anti
inflammatory is any So it was heard it was hitting
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pretty bad, so I basically pushed for I changed my
doctor and told him. He sent me to a specialist.
They x rayed and there was three vertebrae that had
you know, when it starts looking like there's thing in between,
I guess.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
There is an inevitable compression.
Speaker 1 (23:10):
Yeah, and it's lower back. I am a park range now,
still doing very physical work in pain, sometimes not in
pain other times, Damian, I look with more things for
a while. I've got off that because it just makes
into the zombie. And what I want to know is
I have done the gym a lot and I want
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to keep doing it. Is it all right? Are those
three vetebra are going to get worse? Or are they
going to get I mean, is this going to what's
going to happen there?
Speaker 4 (23:40):
If I is it a general sweeping statement obviously without
seeing you. My suggestion is that if you can go
to the gym and keep the load under control so
that it's not inducing pain, and be very very particular
with your technique, like particularly along the likes to say
back squats and deadlifts. Your spine will thank you for it.
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It's again the discs where they are at. But building
strength around that tissue, from what I can suggest, would
only be beneficial and it will help you from a
postural perspective going forward and with aging and everything as well.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
Yeah, obviously I've got weight issues as well, so I
need to lose weight, which I'm trying to work on.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And we know that sort of resistance training is also
very effective at increasing your metabolic rate to help with
weight loss as well.
Speaker 2 (24:31):
Actually, at what point, I mean, at what point you
should you exercise in consultation with advice from your doctor
as well, if you know, I.
Speaker 4 (24:40):
Mean you should always get your primary caregiver or primary
medical health provider should also be should be the first
person to guide you down that right path. The problem
that we have is that not enough people from either
a doctor or a physio perspective, and I work a
lot with physios don't understand the funner details or have
the comfort to push someone down that correct path, so
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it can be a bit tricky.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, okay, thanks for call Warren.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
Hello, Hello, I warrant.
Speaker 9 (25:10):
Yeah, I've got your own in my left but I've
had it on and off over twenty years, and I'm
just wondering what to do to manage it.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
This is an area a little outside of my scope.
I'm sorry. What I would Yeah, if you're struggling with
the fundamentals being walking and being nice and upright, I
would certainly get advice from a muscular skillettal specialist Okay,
Cairo physio, just to try and figure out are there
exercises you can do, what can be done to help
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the neurological response. Yeah, I'm sorry I can't provide, but
much more advice than that, to be honest.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
Problem.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks for that, Thanks for call that one. Cheers, bye bye.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Now, Actually you were saying in the break that the
osteos of the bone question something that you're getting more
and more traffic on your and your business on by
a sport.
Speaker 4 (26:05):
I mean, I actually built my website myself from scratch
and very proud of that.
Speaker 3 (26:08):
Well done, thank you.
Speaker 4 (26:09):
And so what I what I you know, after these shows,
I look at the back end and I look at
the traffic, and what's remarkable is that when we talk
about this bone health stuff in particular, I would probably
see the biggest spike in numbers hitting my website, even
in comparison to say sporting particular discussions. So it's it's
been a it's a very interesting and a very powerful
subject for a lot of people to invest.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Well what I mean, have you have you actually respond
to that in terms of the stuff that you offer
on your and your business.
Speaker 4 (26:36):
Well, yeah, I mean I'm actually in the process. I've
got a new brand that I'm working on now, which
is around it's called Osa's Health, osus being the Latin
term for bone. So we're in September one. We're actually
starting some osteoporosis specific group classes.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Wow okay, And.
Speaker 4 (26:51):
People can go to my website and they can register
their expression of interest. It's on the homepage.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
It's very easy to mean group classes in person or
online or what.
Speaker 4 (26:59):
No, always in person. At this stage it's only in Auckland,
but we have intention to take it outside of.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
Or what's the goal for it?
Speaker 2 (27:06):
What's the goal for those classes for people who've got
who are addressing what so specific?
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Heavy lifting very very it's based around the lift more
studies which we have discussed in oh yeah yeah, So
it's the heavy lifting protocol with some sort of bios
bought specific exercise prescription thrown in. But it's again very
much around the bone.
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Health, and in particular that's for people who I guess
the thing that's for anyone who's got worries about bone
density and you know you talked about the sort of
weights you're going to be lifting.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
To many people that.
Speaker 2 (27:34):
Is intimidating and a little bit I can't think of
the word, but it's something that makes you a bit cautious.
Speaker 3 (27:38):
Is this what to help people?
Speaker 4 (27:40):
The thing is with these studies, what we have seen
when they are done correctly, the injury rates are very
very very very low. But when they initially did these
first study, the first lift more studies in Australia in
late twenty eighteen, they found that within this the experimental group,
which was fifty women, the first group was a postmenopause
or osteoproduct female population, one woman had a low grade
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back injury that she missed training for one week and
it was twice a week, eight month long study, so
one injury.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
So but is that what you're also helping with is
getting people into that sort of lift more in an
environment where they can be confident that they're doing it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
Right, confident, and also you get so much out of
being in a group environment. Look, if you're doing it
as a group of people who are suffering from ostop
and your osteoporosis, and you can do it together in
a supportive environment, the effects are so far superior than
just trying to do it in a one on one
type situation. But the safety is the key.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Gosh, we could do almost to a Wholton talk back
about group exercise actually, because there is something in that
isn't there just about it's not necessarily even having the appointment,
but just people need people.
Speaker 4 (28:46):
Oh, social interaction, mental health. Yeah, we could talk about
this for a now.
Speaker 2 (28:52):
But we're gonna take more calls. We're talking about we
haven't even got onto the aging sort of through exercise
through the ages, which we will do if we don't
get onto this another time.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
But we've got more calls. So there are a couple
of spear lines there though. Eight hundred and eighty ten
eighty text nine to nine two. This is a health
hab it's Greg Pain.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You're listening to his website if you want to go
and check it out is BioSport dot co dot nz.
Speaker 3 (29:14):
And he mentioned.
Speaker 2 (29:15):
I think in September he's launching some work on to
do with exercising for bone density. So you can go
and check out his website. It is twenty one minutes
to five News Talks it b Yes News Talk's hed
b Tim beverage with Greek pain from BioSport dot co
dot n z.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
It's take some more calls.
Speaker 10 (29:32):
Lynn, Hello, Yeah, good afternoon. Hi, I'm just one.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
I'm well.
Speaker 10 (29:38):
I'm good except for my husband. He was standing on
the rubbish and trying to jump it down. I'm catching
high biscus and he got stabbed and he asked me
to get him out where our fence line joins the
passes next door. And I couldn't have hurt my knee
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plus my shoulder. I've been to the doctor, yep. But
we didn't even get around to my knee. And I
do a lot of walking.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
He was stuck in some high biscus.
Speaker 4 (30:12):
The image imagine in my head is quite interesting. Right now,
I'm not quite sure where I'm taking this.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
It was.
Speaker 10 (30:22):
I got the hysterics after I tried to get him out.
I got my neighbor over.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Sounds like a great relationship to me.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Anyway. So what have you done. You've damaged some cartilage.
Speaker 10 (30:33):
Or something at the top on the left side of
my shoulder. Yea, And my doctor reckons I should have
physy I which have booked and to start on Tuesday.
But the thing is I didn't even bring up about
my knee.
Speaker 3 (30:50):
Yep.
Speaker 10 (30:51):
Now my knee, I walk up a hell to come
home from the beach. Yep, because I do live on
the High Biscus Coast.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yes, appropriately, yes, look has of living in the High
Biscus Coast.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Okay, we'll hand it over to greeg Now great, where
you go.
Speaker 4 (31:11):
All I was going to say is the difficulty we
have here is that trying to manage a sudden onset
of pain due to helping your husband get out of
his predicament is very difficult for me to try and
give you good advice on. All I would say is,
obviously bring it up with your physio. I mean, you
might have to double down on your appointment as far
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as what you're trying to extract out of the physio.
But you know, it's just really important. I'm sort of
slightly segueing here, but a lot of people when they
receipt when they're in pain, they try and think to
them well, so they think to themselves, I need to
stop doing something, to stop walking. That's the biggest mistake
you can make. You must keep walking, you must keep moving,
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You must keep exercising, and let the physio guide the
process as far as exercise, prescription or soft tissue or
whatever is necessary to manage the two joints in your case.
But certainly I would focus on not not doing anything,
if that makes sense to me.
Speaker 10 (32:10):
Yeah, that's what my doctor said. Well, I didn't bring
up about the knee, but I like just one. I
go to the pool about three times a week plus.
Speaker 4 (32:22):
As long as those pain levels are not getting too high,
I would suggest, again a very generalized suggestion. I would
suggest keeping on moving as long as your pain levels
stay about A three or below a three or four
out of ten. But again, let the physical, let the
physio guide that that path through to rehab recovery.
Speaker 3 (32:41):
Okay, good stuff. Watch those watch those high biscuits.
Speaker 10 (32:46):
Thank you, I will don't come out. They might jump out.
Speaker 3 (32:50):
Beautiful plant.
Speaker 2 (32:51):
Actual hibiscus aren't absolutely gorgeous. Who would have known you
could get stuck? And it must have been it must
have really laid waste a lot of hibiscus to be
stuck in the in the in the rubbish pile.
Speaker 4 (33:04):
The image in my head.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Yeah right, let's take some more calls.
Speaker 3 (33:10):
Lee, Hello, oh.
Speaker 8 (33:12):
Good afternoon. I'm ringing about the gentleman who rang.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Up about his rotocuff rotator cuff?
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yes, yeah, Now did his doctor say he did have
a rotocuff problem or he may have?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
I don't recall.
Speaker 8 (33:30):
Now, I don't think he said either either. But I'll
tell you what, going to physio or not fix it
if the rotocuff has snapped.
Speaker 4 (33:40):
Oh yes, yeah, I know, But you need to get
that diagnosis first to try and figure out what's actually happened.
Speaker 8 (33:45):
To get a proper diagnosis, he's got to have an
x ray. This happened to my mother and she was
told to go to a physio and that didn't work.
So they eventually gave her an X ray and found
that the rotor cuff had completely snapped. Now to have
an operation, there's only about a fifteen percent chance that
it do any God, he may just have to learn
(34:08):
to live with it, and he may not be able
to move his arm maybe up above his shoulder, But
you do learn to live with it, but he's got
to get a proper diagnosis. Consider of these doctors saying
you may have, you might have, and everybody got running
us being told to go after a physio. Physios, don't
(34:28):
you've got to know what's wrong.
Speaker 4 (34:29):
Yeah, look, look I'm going to interrupt you and just say, look,
there are some fantastic physios, some fantastic doctors. So it's
just about it's about finding the right person to help
manage you. That's that's where I think we should leave it.
Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, okay, thanks Ley. Actually somebody was to start.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
We were having a chat about qualifications because sometimes pops
up people asking what to you know, what's the difference
between a biomechanist and what qualifications? Because our producer Tire
has got a relative who's doing by who's going to
study to be a biomechanist?
Speaker 3 (34:58):
But what what What is the course of study that
you do these days?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
To do what you do, you've got to go through
a sports science degree. So I I was a graduate
of the Oakland University Sports Science program, and within that
program we could go down the path of sort of
physiology or biomechanics. And yeah, I went down to the
biomechanics path. Which yeah, it's how many.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
Means how many biomechanists are there? Not many? Not many,
not many.
Speaker 4 (35:21):
I mean a lot of biomechanists go down that sort
of the numbers path as far as looking at hard data,
whereas I'm more of a movement specialist.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Actually, to be honest, the question that was asked on
text was a lot ruder. I just you know, people
are just sending us at a hate mailer. Who's this
guy to be talking about this? It was wooded than that,
but I asked it nicely to you.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
I don't get hate mail, do I not?
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Really just a hate question.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
People are very cynical these days, So I just dressed
it up nicely so we could get the actual facts
from you.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
In this way, it is a qualification and it didn't
come out of a week bix box.
Speaker 2 (35:55):
There we go, and he has treated some pretty amazing
athletes and they trust him as well. Like I mean,
we dropped Lisa Carrington's name, and they're probably because it's
sort of hard to go parss le Carrington.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
But anyway, she's a special woman. She is pretty phenomenal,
isn't she is? Guess what time for break?
Speaker 2 (36:11):
We'll be back and we'll see if we can squeeze
some texts and some more cause it's eleven minutes to five.
But by the way, if you do want to check
out the work that Greg does and look, I don't
think it's on his website yet, but we are talking
about bone density and coincidentally, Greg gets a lot of
inquiries about this and is going to be running some
classes I think starting around September. But you can go
(36:32):
and sort of just register for news on his website
and buyosport dot court at and z if you like,
especially the cynical one. You'll be right in there, won't you.
Speaker 3 (36:40):
John.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Anyway, we'll be back in just the tickets. Eleven minutes
to five. Yes, welcome back to the weekend Collective. Time
(37:03):
for one more call. By the way, the wh we're playing,
don't stop because generally that is one of the bits
of advice that Greg would frequently give out when it
comes to moving and keeping fo you just don't stop.
Look at art Jelly years old and he still does
I don't know what he says. He does half squats?
Speaker 4 (37:19):
What are they just slightly their steps?
Speaker 3 (37:21):
Okay, yeah that one. And he doesn't look at day
over seventy.
Speaker 4 (37:26):
Three and tomorrow's I've got a big I've got a
slightly stoic approach to these sorts of things. Tomorrow is
the first opportunity to be better than you are today.
Speaker 3 (37:35):
Oh look at you.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
You need a book of expressions for a Sunday.
Speaker 3 (37:41):
Okay, lucky. Last cour we only had a couple of minutes.
Speaker 9 (37:43):
So Sharon, Hello, Hi, Yeah, Sharon here, good afternoon. Yeah.
I just want to say about my experience with joining
a gym recently. I am in my sixties, late sixties,
still working in a nurse and got talked into joining
a gym to improve phone density because I have a stupenia.
(38:05):
I have had a claster twice previously. Quite a bit ish,
but yeah, I was talking to the gym to go
and so I'd avoid any injury and for balance and
for core strength.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
Perfect.
Speaker 9 (38:22):
I paid my money, you did my little bit of
a thing before and then I had one session in
the gym which was a good two hour session, never
having been in a gym in my life, and my
neck is what you could call injured. Acc have accepted
(38:44):
it and I am waiting to see a spinal surgeon now.
After joining the gym, which was the ten years younger
gym and now I feel ten years older quitely.
Speaker 4 (38:52):
Well, I mean the thing is is that when you
start going into a gym, you need to start ramping
up very very very slowly, keep it very very simple,
but also getting that supervision as key as well, so
that we don't hear stories, which is I'm really sorry
to hear that that situation you found yourself and that's
that's really unfortunate.
Speaker 9 (39:10):
Yeah, So I think I'm one of the people today
in the news that a causing the ACC millions of
dollars with a gym injury. But it was all done
in good faith to.
Speaker 3 (39:22):
I don't think anyone begrudges that.
Speaker 2 (39:23):
If you know you're getting out there and trying to
improve your life in ACC I think that's what that
should be there for. So I don't feel bad about that, Sharon,
but absolutely thank goodness for ACC. Actually, just on that,
I think that's the thing that people haven't been doing weights.
That is the thing about if you're going to get
in and start doing something to work on that, don't
go I mean, how do you do those what for
(39:45):
you as a heavy weight without buggering yourself?
Speaker 3 (39:47):
Day one?
Speaker 4 (39:48):
Heavy is relative to you as an individual, so my
heavy might be your light yew and vice versa. So
it's just about starting getting your technique right, starting very
very light, do the basics well, spend half an hour
and that's it, and then just start really really slowly
from there. It's a cham core progressive overload if you
can follow that, your three quarters of the way there.
Speaker 2 (40:10):
And I think I could probably offer this bit of
advice as well. Don't base the weight that you're lifting
on your glory days.
Speaker 4 (40:17):
Definitely not, and don't base your weight on anybody else.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Just start with the bar probably is reasonably safe, and
get the technique right, get some advice, and hey Greg,
great to see you mate, and all the best as always.
But if you want to go and check out Greg's
website and his work, or be involved in any of
his courses BioSport, dot cod and z he's got some
good free online courses as.
Speaker 3 (40:38):
Well in your own checkout and thanks very much.
Speaker 2 (40:41):
And you can catch the previous hour on where you
get your podcast, which is iHeartRadio.
Speaker 4 (40:44):
Thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (40:45):
I always love these hours. Mate. We'll be back. It's
smart Money's next Rupert.
Speaker 2 (40:50):
Carla On is with us from Cora Well talking about
the lessons you should teach you kids about money or
shouldn't teach your kids, depending on how good you are
with money.
Speaker 3 (40:58):
I guess.
Speaker 2 (40:59):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to news
Talk z BE weekends from three pm.
Speaker 6 (41:05):
Follow the podcast on iHeartRadio.
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