August 24, 2025 • 40 mins
The Biggest Loser ran for 18 seasons before ending in 2016, and it's now the subject of a major docu-series showing the behind the scenes moments from the show.
A study following 14 contestants after their time on the show found all but one had regained the weight they had lost, and most surpassed the weight they were at the start of the show.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks B.
Speaker 2 (00:37):
And Hello, welcome or welcome back. This is the Weekend
collect Time Tim Beverage. By the way up after five o'clock,
we've got Smart Money with Andrew Baskan. We're going to
be having a chat about you as look, we all
bang on about the o CR. It's always fun to
see what's happening, and it's it's not just fun, it's
pretty important for people who are hanging out for a
bit of a break with interest rates from the bank.
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But we don't have a chat about that and other
things with Andrew Baskan from Harborassic Management about you know,
is this the cure to our ills? It does all
lie with the and do we place too much emphasis
on that? But right now we're going to talk about
things to do with health. Because The Biggest Loser ran
for eighteen seasons before ending in twenty sixteen, so it
ended a while ago. In fact, when I heard about
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this documentary, I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh, wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's quite a while ago, isn't it. But there's been
a docu series I think was on Netflix shown behind
the scenes moments, so there was A study that followed
fourteen contestants after their time on the show found all
but one had regained the weight they had lost, hands up,
whose surprised, and most surpassed the weight they were at
the start of the show. So it turns out the
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reality TV show Let's be Honest it wasn't about making
sustainable changes in these people's lives. It just created a
horrifying spectacle that viewers couldn't turn away from. So you know,
if losing a bunch of weight very quickly isn't the answer,
then how can you lose weight healthily without being discouraged
by the slow progress? What motivates you your calls on this,
Because what motivates you to make change In the end,
(02:06):
I'm going to guess before I say a lord to
our guest, that it's all about the motivation. You've got
to find you why. In fact, I think I've just
quoted him. I think he's used that lineful with me before.
So let's get into it. It's it's Kent John's I felt.
I think that's your line, isn't it. I just channeled
Kent John's.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, don't Tim you keep it? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I am actually not too bad. You know, I
disturbed sleep because of the hours I went. But yeah,
you look, you look insufferably healthy. I'm glad we haven't
got that. You look good. I mean, I'm not going
to overdo it. But the cameras. We do have cameras here,
but they're not actually broadcasting, so say waving it, don't
weigh the time now, that's just for Hosk, Hoskin, Heather,
(02:44):
maybe Ryan, Yeah, the good looking ones anyway, So yeah,
how are you knowing? I'm good?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I'm all right.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I was mildly titillated by that Biggest Loser Netflix?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I did, and I got into.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It because I thought, hey, this is probably something I
need to be across and the profession that I'm in now.
But it was never a show that I watched for
all of them. How many seasons did you say? Eighteen nineteen?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
My goodness, eighteen seasons? Has it been going?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I never watched an episode front to back. I would
have stumbled across it going around to a mate's place
that there flat and they had it on.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, and I always want to trymel sweating bullets.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Five or ten minutes here and there. I didn't recognize
any of the hosts, any of the trainers when I
watched the doco the other day. But it's a good watch,
it really is so.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But you have had a look at the docu saries
I have.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
It's only three parts in the forty five minute long episode,
so you can bang it out over the course of
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because I think one of the personal trainers is suing
them because she was not happy with the way she
is portrayed, which might I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
She declined to be interviewed too, though, so she full
four went or four go? How would I say that
she gave up her opportunity to put her her version
of events forward. She didn't come out of it looking
particularly well. I don't think any trainer who would be
berating people like that on camera in front of millions
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of people would ever come out looking particularly flash.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, the reason I didn't watch it was because
I just have never liked reality TV. I just think
it's it's the height of stupid most of the time.
Let's get let's get people as stupid enough to put
themselves on screen and demean themselves for a bit of fame.
I just find the whole spectacle of reality TV odious
and in particular the biggest loser. I just think, you know,
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it's all about ratings, And is any I mean, is
anyone surprised that once the series is over that the
TV producers don't care about the contestants. Of course they don't.
I mean, am I being too cynical? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Spoiler alert coming to anyone who hasn't seen the series,
and maybe tim at some point you decide to change
in wind to go and have a look at it.
But very early on they showed one of the season winners.
His name is Danny Cahill. Yeah, we need to talk
about him because it's important, and he lost one hundred
and eight kilos and he ended up winning the series
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and he won a quarter of a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, well the money's an incentive too. Then okay, forgot he.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Looked great, big guy, you know, clinically obese, lost one
hundred and eight kilos, look.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Great, And then they panned to him.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Now, eighteen fifteen years later, he's bigger than he's ever been.
And that was a bit of a wow moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I actually think that's I think that's incredibly sad that.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Seemed like a great guy and was quite happy to
sit there and talk about his life and how he's
been and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, obviously heather than he ever was. I'm guessing
it was not very healthy either, but I mean difficult
to judge that. But was he happy in himself?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, he's smiling a lot. I think he said, hey, look,
you know things have gone off the rails for me.
I've eaten some made some poor dietary choices, and it's
time now. My wife and I have talked about maybe
we need to go and make some changes. So who
knows what's going on in the background, But he would
have had every right to say, hey, look, I'm actually
not interested in being interviewed for this.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I don't want to be doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But because what he found today, he looks almost being polish.
What he got down to from what he was when
he was in the series, it's quite amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Well, he starved himself for about ten days before the
final way, in which I find it's almost unconscionable that
the show's producers and medical team would have allowed him
to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, would they have necessarily what they've known? I guess
I don't know who knows what they do and don't know. Look,
we want to explore, but we want your calls on this.
I mean, is there anything to learn from these series?
But if you are someone who's engaged in trying to
improve your your health, but in particular, you know you
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think you've got a few pounds, you'd like to share
what is the winning way to find the right motivation?
What is it that works for you. I'm actually going
to share a quick because, as I mentioned that it's
about finding you've got to have a y which sounds
it sounds like such a slogan, but you have to
you've got to find the reason, the motivation.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It has to be specific.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, Well, one of the guys who goes my gym,
he's given me permission to mention it. I don't know
him particularly well. He's just a friendly guy called Gus
who goes to the gym where I'm at and Gus
is in. He was always in pretty good shape when
I met him and we had a bit of a
chat the other day. Look, he's probably one hundred hundred
and something kilos, but it's pretty much I have to say,
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it's all muscle and he's a very impressive looking guy,
about forty years old. And I said, oh, how long
you been coming here? And what made averted you do it?
And he said, oh I was. I was one hundred
and fifty two kilos and as doctor said, you're going
to be die. You know you're heading towards type two diabetes.
So for him it was the health shock. But he
has he's not one of these guys he looks like
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he's in danger rebounding because he's found friends at the gym.
He's a sociable, friendly guy. He's got a routine going on.
But he had the reason to do it, and he's
he's bloody magnificent. But not even when has this? I mean,
that's the thing. It must be ultimately down to the
why and then the other things that you add into
your routine to establish it.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
It's a pretty big why, isn't it. I don't want
to get diabetes. Yeah, well you can't get any more
powerful than that. There was the case of Simon Gold,
the well known New Zealand chef was in the news
just a few weeks ago and same situation for him.
Thankfully his GP I think who he knew quite well, said,
knew enough about inchilin resistance, and knew enough about pre
diabetes and how it leads to diabetes and everything like that,
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and how it's a lifestyle related illness. And he said
to Simon Hay, do you want to be walking your
daughter down the aisle at her wedding? Because I'm telling
you now, you keep going the way you're going, you're
at risk of limit amputation. Bang changed his life, turned
his life around. I spoke at a HR conference recently
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and that was part of the story that I was
telling to get people sort of thinking about, Okay, it's
great to have an aspiration, Tim, and I know that
you and I have talked about this before. A lot
of people have them at the start of the year,
New Year's aspirations, new Year's resolutions. I need to lose weight,
I want to get fit, I want to cut back
on my drinking. And none of those are specific. So
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whilst they're aspirational, that's a great point to start. You
need to be specific, and the more specific you can
get get into the granular, more chance of being successful.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Actually, it sort of highlights that short term rewards, like
you know, winning the biggest loser of the fame and
the quarter million dollars. Once you won the money, then
what reason is there for you to stay the way
you are if you had the wrong reason to start
with and there was.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No support for these contestants post the show.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Actually, that's that's what you've mentioned about. Simon Golds raises
that question about great story. Oh, actually I've heard that
one before about do you want to walk your daughter
down the island? It wasn't about whether you're going to
get a limb am potatoes, So you're going to be
alive to do it. And that's an example of sort
of an intrinsic but also extrims doing it for doing
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it for someone else, Because I mean, if you're a
mom or a dad or something that you know you
want to do anything for your kids, that's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So I know of so many people over the last
few years who have come to me and we've chatted
about what their why is and thus so disheartened that
they've lost their way physically and then of course mentally
and emotionally that they can't be as active with their
kids as they want to be. They can't go out
and kick footballs around because that's just not up to it.
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It's potentially you at one stage before you got into
this lark, did you have a moment of thinking, I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's just me, my memory misserving me.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I was.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
I was absolutely exhausted, having been a father for the
best part of a year or so and working in
breakfast radio, next door radio, sport in the day. I
was absolutely exhausted. So that was my why, Please give
me the energy to be the best version of myself.
I want to be a good dad, I want to
be a good partner, I want to be a good colleague.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Please help me. That was my wife.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
And yeah, and when you've been down on energy and
you find it again, as you know with your running
and your exercise, when you can find that other gear,
your whole life opens up to possibilities of great things.
And doctor Luise Schofield, who's a bit of a mentor
of mine, Professor Grant Schofield's wife. I know you've probably
(11:29):
interviewed Grant before. She has this great saying that people
who are healthy, tim have thousands or millions of dreams.
People who are unhealthy have one dream. And that's really
stuck with me. When you're not well, all you want
to do is to be well and to be healthy,
and to be fit and to be active. People don't
wish that upon themselves, not to be, but so many
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of us have found ourselves in that position.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
We love your cause on this and we explored a
bit more on this and what are the right motivational
messages and what are the wrong motivations that Okay, you
might think that's going to work for you, but did it?
How did it pan out? And if you've had a
success full change in lifestyle, Because the funny thing is
seeing other people who have done it. Sometimes I don't
know if that you see someone who's I did this
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and I made these changes, look how orso I am?
Sometimes I think that can be overwhelming because you look
at yourself and want God a miles away from that.
To me, it's the comparison problem. Yeah, I always think
those aren't very but it might have been for you.
Did you look at your photo of you when you
got married and then a few years later when you
maybe not trying so hard to impress your part, you've
come apart these scenes a bit. Was that enough to
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get back to your day as a former glory? What
are the motivations that have worked for you, because share
them with us, because people who are listening they want
to know as well, because it's it's not necessary case
of you know, I'm going to get myself fit and healthy,
job done. I've got the motivation. It's you meet challenges
all along the way, don't you can't?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, you do, and finding you why as you've mentioned,
and then making a start off you go and making
a start makes all the difference.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We're going to take your calls eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, and in fact we're going to get into
it right now. Sarah, Hello, yeah, hi, Hi.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
So all my life, I really just loved eating apples
and loved good food and actually brings you to sell
my God, all you do is you eat and ex
sides any well, and I didn't like sugar. I didn't
really get into the aisle where you go and get
the chippees. My years ago, my one of my partners
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was told by a specialist when he did a rugby injury,
he put on weight and he was addicted to those
bags of chips. And the specialist said, you had been
better eating side chips than you would the bags of chips.
But I mean both is worse. But anyway, at one
stage I was always fifty four on the scale, so
that's and I'm five to seven and a half. So
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and then I and then I had an injury in
two thousand and five and something else happening. I just
stopped running, I stopped sports and come to I put
on seventy eight kg. And then I wanted to lose weight,
so I lost sixteen kg over three months. Now how
this was?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
So?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
What I did was, you know, the cat I don't
missed that, but the Kardashian big salad bowls. I got
everything big, the bowls, the plates, everything, and I did salads.
I did in the salads, I did everything that was
like avocado. I did celery, I did grapes, I did tomatoes.
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I did all of that the whole time. I also
removed the milk and I used rice milk. I did
rice flakes instead of cereals. Was out sugar, and I
drank heaps of water. But instead of doing walking with sports,
I did walking in the swimming pools. And then I
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really just sat on an exorcycle at home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Did you enjoy what you're doing? Did you enjoy what
you were doing?
Speaker 6 (15:04):
The Chines absolutely loved it. But the big shoka, I'll
tell you, the big shocker was that, Okay, I drank alcohol,
so please don't think that there's approval. But I drank alcohol.
I remember this, and I'm not really a big drink,
but I did. And I loved my rum and coats
and not a good thing. And so not a good thing.
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But DNTs are good because they seemed to be I
think healthier, but anyway, in moderation. But I was so
shocked whatever. It was so shocking because I lost sixteen
kgens three months and I didn't even notice it. And
I just did the right thing, you know, plant food
you can eat.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And how's everything? Now?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Okay, can I can I? Can I tell you what happened?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep? Yep.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I had a really really bad treatment injury. We're not
going to talk about it. And I had a reaction
to it and I exploded. I went from at the
time I walked in to get the injection, I was
six five on the scales and I blew up to
one hundred and four. And I've had an operation now, so.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Anyway, you've had a few challenges. We'll have to try
and truncate a little bit, just because I want to
bring into.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Okay, So I lost weight over that time. I lost
another fifteen kg just drinking vegetable juice. Drinking vegetable juice
in the morning when I woke before I went to sleep.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
What was that in substitute of Sarah? What had you
been drinking previously?
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Oh? What have I been drinking previously? Monster drink?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So where are you at now with everything? So you've
had your challenges? Are you?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Are you still okay?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So I just put on another ten k, taken a
year because I've had an operation. So a year ago
this time last year, I went down to eighty and
now I'm back up to eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Okay. So what is your what is your what is
your what is your current motivation? What's driving you?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Happy genetics? Just like you just said. One of you
just said, I have all uncreative. I write, I photograph,
I do stuff, I have a dream.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
I just have a motivation to not want to stitch
with the weight that I've got, it's really bad for
your heart.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So you want to enjoy it, you want to enjoy life. Yeah,
I mean that's a fairly broad motivation in a way,
isn't it might have some serious motivation.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I think if you know what the best version of
yourself looks like because you've been there before, that's quite
a good driver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Tim.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I want to get back to how I was five
years ago or ten years ago. I'm not talking about
weight wise, I'm talking about how you felt within yourself,
having that vitality for life. A lot of people have
lost it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Actually, that's an interesting one because when you said that
if you want to get back to your glory days
of looking in the mirror and going, I'm just as
I mean, it's not can it ever be about the
way you look? Or does it have to ultimately be
about the way you feel? So you might decide, Look,
you know, I want to get my pecks back. I
want to get those biceps back that you know I
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used to be able to rock, you know, ten or
fifteen years ago. But that's not really enough. But in
the end, you've got to do something that makes you
feel good, and that's what keeps you going. Sometimes. Vanity
a great driver.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think, how do I look in the shirt? Can
I fit into my old wedding suit or can I
fit into the stress or whatever it might be. That's
quite a good, powerful kind of motivator. But I lost
my hair twenty years ago. That ain't growing back.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
People go gray, pop over to Turkey.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Like separatist like I.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Most of us know that we can't look as good
as we probably did when we were twenty five or thirty,
but we can feel as bloody good as we did then.
It is possible for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
We'd love to hear from you here on this what
motivation works, because if you've just joined us, there's been
a on The Biggest Loser showing that so many of
the contestants basically packed on the weight that they had
lost after the show was over, and it wasn't really
about sustainable change. So what is the sustainable change? How
do you make it? What's worked for you? Eight hundred
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eighty eight Text nine nine two. I'm with Kent John's
he's a health coach, and we'll be back in just
a moment twenty five and a half past four. It's
welcome back. This is the Health Harb. I'm Tim Bevers,
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my guest is Kent john C's a health coach, and
we're talking about the Biggest Loser, which ran for eighteen seasons,
but it's the subject of a docu series, Chris, So
many of the contestants who lost weight regained the weight
they had lost, and we're talking about I guess, how
do you end up losing weight successfully and changing your life?
And what's the successful motivation? What actually works for you?
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By the way, somebody text me and I just will
mention this, and Dana says, hello, can you please be
clear about the type of diabetes you're referring to. Type
one is not related to a bad diet, yes, and
type two is diet related. Stop eating crap or you'll
dig a grave with your teeth.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Regards Lily, Well, yes, she's right, and there's nothing like
good old plain language. Type two diabetes is called processed
food disease.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, so thanks for reminding us of that, Dana, Dana
Dana Angela.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Hello, Hey guys, how are you.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Going by Angela?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Gooday?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
HELLI yeah, I was just calling in because we watched
that doco last night. My husband and I found it
quite interesting. I'm a dairy farmer in Southland and this
time last year I decided, after clay was in the
crop edit gasping for breath, I needed to make a change.
So I lost twenty kilos and twelve months later I've
door keeped it off and just reflecting what we What
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I have is you know what a called long term maintenance,
just healthy habits. So those guys didn't, I mean, money
can't be a motivator. You can't just you can't just
drop the support off. You need that encouragement long term.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
What's the trigger for you? I love the in the background,
by the way, that's my calf.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Sorry, it was just like my husband and I just
got to the other side of the crop, had struggled
to walk through it. Claps on the ground. Just want
to catch my breast and yeah, I just thought, I
don't want to be unfit like this. I'm forty. I
got fit in my thirties. I can do this again.
Most people have reasons for the weight loss, mental or physical.
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You know, I had a car crash. There's so much
and it's just getting encouraged gently and motivated. And it
doesn't need to be hard. It can be just some
steps and healthy protein. You know, it shouldn't be short
term things like juice and all that crap doesn't work.
You need to eat real food and there's just a
lot of junk food in this world.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So, Angela, what are the habits that that you were
able to create for yourself that have been sustainable for you?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So basic ones is like fifteen thousand steps a day
just getting out there, so especially for your stuff in
an office, and that can be really healthy for your
mind to get outside and go for a walk. And
the other one is eating good fruitfast, lunch, dinner, and
having good healthy snacks in between. So I used to
skip breakfast, work on the farm for five to six
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hours without feed and coming and just gut to my food.
And you know, so it's making sure you're resting, eating,
drinking water.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Do you make a point of enjoying your food more?
You know, you were saying guts in your food, you
know when you're sort of you just coming, you're hungry
and just get it down here.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yep, you eat with intention, you know, I think I
stopped my fridge, so I'm like, what do I feel like?
I'm going to have a salmon steate with salad, some
vegetables and some fruit. Fruit is a great way to
get over your sugar craving. Having fruit with your lunch
and dinner can really help that sweet tooth. But steps
something anyone can do, and I'm the farmer. I can't
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get to a gym im an hour and a half
from town.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's funny because I can just when you said you're
a farmer, because I was thinking, well, gosh, you must
have an active lifestyle and all that sort of thing.
But that obviously relying on just being outdoors and being
busy was not enough for you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, and I think like carving time, obviously it's busy.
But during summer, standing in the couchit in the rotary,
coping on cows isn't doing steps. Sitting in the treck
that's not doing steps. Sitting on my bikes not doing steps.
So for me it was breaking a habit. I would
get up a bit earlier and do say, five thousand
steps on the treadmill time the cold, and then I
got the other ten thousand a bit more. Naturally, when
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you're on a farm here you can get a better environment.
But if you're stuck on office, you want to consciously
do something.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Can I ask just so? Because I imagine you know
the idea of when you're farming, that's still sends me
in an energy intensive sort of job. Was it hard
to actually go, I'm going to get some exercise before
I go out and do the hard slog because that
feels like a lot you're putting on your plate. And
did you have to think about the way you were
eating again?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so the eating parts messes, and then the
steps can To some people it can be just trying
to get to the letter, boxing back and pushing themself
a bit further and a bit further. You don't have
to do that many steps, but it was quite surprising
to me how many steps I wasn't doing because there
was so much machinery work involved in my day.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah. Hey, by the way, I have to confess to
an own goal there, Angela, because I thought you said sheep, farmer,
and I heard a noise and you're like, my producer
says to me, got you such a town eat? And
I do know that. I was thinking, that's a strange
sounding sheep, And then it didn't stop me from saying,
(24:50):
but everything you go, it's a calf.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Of course I have three sheep. If that counts, oh.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well, its fool.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Hey hey, thanks for sharing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
That with Angela.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thanks having a good one.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Seriously, tires in my ass like you're such a city Selecker.
I yeah, anyway, there's no explaining it. This is just
one of those things in sund Live Radio, wasn't it anyway? Right? Guys?
It also all sounds a bit la la land when
it comes to motivations. So my question is is it easier, Oh,
here's one. Is it easier for a couple or a
(25:26):
single person to find the why? Being single? I think
it takes two times the effort to make the why
turn into a how, But first is to do what
we want, says Lee. I guess the question is if
you're in a couple, you've got someone reminding you, didn't
you say you were going to go for a run?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I know of people that have taken on a health
journey together, hugely beneficial that you've got that shared experience
in that accountability. I also know other people, tim whose
spouse has been an impediment to change because they haven't
been willing to allow their loved one the space to
(26:02):
be making the changes that they want to be making.
So really, to answer that question, it depends on the person,
depends on the relationship, but absolutely, man, if you've got
someone that you're friends with or someone that you can
catch up with, whether that be daily or weekly, and
you can hold each other accountability and to talk about
the ups and the downs and the shed experience could
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be hugely motivating to have.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That with you.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, if you do as I think young guys
when it comes to exercising, and look, they're not out
of shape anyway. But you get the young guys to
go out of the gym, I think they are well.
They start it because they want to look good, they
want to get the pecks and the biceps and all
that sort of thing. But in the end, it must
they have to have an experience which makes them think, actually,
I love that sensation of just working out at the gym.
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I love feeling good.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, but some of the guys at the gym might
also be metabolically sick. There's a pretty decent percentage of
people to who are thin on the outside fat on
the inside. It's actually a proper medical term called tophi.
So I know of people who are fit and healthy,
and but you take a look under the hood and
there's some form of insulin resistance or their cholesterol profile
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doesn't look particularly flash and it's because they're metabolically sick.
So genetically, on one hand, they are predisposed to being thin,
but also they could be heading towards type two diabetes
or cardiovascular disease or stroke or dementia later in life
because they are not actually healthy. So we've got to
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be so careful here that we're not fat shaming people,
because skinny people who are fat shaming could actually be
unhealthier than the people that they are the riding and
that was I think one of the other standouts from
this particular show was just how insulting some of the
tactics were in going after people who did not have
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the energy to bust a gut. And the reason why
they didn't have the energy to bust a gut, it's
not because they were unmotivated or they were fat, or
they were lazy. It's because they could not access the
energy to exercise because they eating the wrong food. And
at one point the producers actually acknowledge this. We know
that the key secret to weight loss is to eat well,
(28:12):
but that's pretty much boring TV. We need to get
them in the gym and have them slog their guts out,
because that's what people.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Want to see.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
When did they acknowledge that midway through, midway through what
the actual bus is either episode one or episode ten
of the docusit, so they actually got it.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
They got it. To lose weight sustainably, you have to
eat well, and it takes a period of time to
sustainably and in a healthy way lose the weight to
keep it off, that would be pretty boring TV.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So what we have to do. We have to ramp
things up.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
We have to have these people go and crash diets,
calorie restriction and slog their guts out at the gym.
Why we pretty much abuse them because that's compulsive viewing.
But they didn't serve the contestants well at all without
approach because it's totally flawed.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I guess yeah, look we will take you more cause
after this, it's on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
text nine twenty nine two, but it's twenty one minutes
to five with Kent John's talking about the Biggest Loser
of the documentary, which sort of lifted the veil on
what really goes on behind these shows and how the
contestants fared after it was after the cameras and the
lights were all switched off. What's the motivation that worked
(29:18):
for you. But we'll also explore a little bit how
much you can realistically expect to look like the person
next to you, because genetics saw a play a part
as well, so setting realistic expectations as part of it.
We'll talk about that shortly. It's twenty one minutes to
five news Talk, said B And yes, we're talking about
(29:53):
feeling good maybe, but that's the motivation for losing weight
and getting yourself in order. But we're talking about what
are the successful motivations. This is on the back of
The Biggest Loser and the follow up documentary which showed
in many many ways the tragic flight contestants once they
left the show. Kent John's is with me And actually,
just before we got to our next caller, Kent, somebody's
(30:14):
just texted saying, how do we look at You mentioned
the t FO thing thin on the inside and I
can't reboard it fat on the outside, No, the other
way around.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
To fee thin on the outside, fat on the inside.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How do we look under the hood to see if
we're found on the inside. This is a fifty two
male texting.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You need to go and have blood tests once a
year at least, and you also need to have your
blood pressure measured, and you also need to know how
much weight you're carrying around your middle. So the markers
would be HDL, cholesterol, triglycerides, HbA, one C, visceral fat,
blood pressure. Three or four of those five markers are
(30:52):
out of whack, then you're heading towards metabolic syndrome, which
is a precursor of diabetes and everything else. So looking
for fasting insulin is another good measure. That's one thing
that we draw at the Autonomy Clinic tim you belee
the most valuable measure for health clearly one of them
when it comes to the way that our metabolisms work.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Fasting inchalin okay.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Because for people to lose weight and to keep it
off successfully, they have to drop inchalin down. And when
inchulin runs high, fat gets stored, energy gets stored in
fat cells. You can't access the energy, therefore you can't
burn it. You drop in chillin down, then your body
is pulling the energy out of the fat cells. You're
burning energy that's weight loss. So you can't lose weight
(31:36):
successfully unless you get inchalin down. The best way to
do that is to not eat foods that send it high.
So I'm looking at you process carbohydrates, sugar, flour, that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yep, right, let's take another care kent, another cant two
kents in one day.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Hey, what are the odds?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
So I've tried the whole and smitted fasting thing, and
I've managed to lose about twenty kilograms, as well as
doing things like having a healthy diet and still maintaining exercise.
But well, with that study, with that documentary, you had
(32:20):
those people they were fasting and it didn't well, at
least when they're on the show, and that didn't work.
And then you had one of the callers there. She
was saying that she used to skip breakfast, but that
wasn't well. She actually put on weight. So is it
possible that fasting works for some people but not others?
Would fast work for me?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think?
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I think fasting generally works pretty well. The problem that
we see when we're talking with people who fast and
they're not great in the morning is that maybe they're
going for too long and their bodies are then now
storing extra fat because they are in a fight flight mode.
But really it's about getting the insulin down which is
why fasting were intimatete. Fasting is actually a really good
(33:04):
tool for most people. There are circumstances in which you
probably wouldn't advise that, but mostly tim it helps to
get the insulin down. What was happening on the Biggest Loser,
of course, is they weren't talking about fasting and talking
about getting insulin down. They were crash dieting. So they
were going for long, long, long periods without eating, and
then you weren't sure as to what they were then
(33:26):
eating afterwards. So you can go for a long period
of time with no food, but then if you load
up on crap that then spikes your insulin, then you've
just undone all of that good work. If you go
for a long period of time without eating, drop your
insulin down, and then have something that is healthy, that
actually can be a really good approach. So what we
saw on the Biggest Loser was it wasn't so much
(33:47):
that they were fasting intermittently. They were actually starving themselves.
And we know that when we starve ourselves, we get
this enormous energy crash, we hit the wall, we're more
prone to average food choices.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's still amazed that didn't kill more people on that
show just look like a recipe for spontaneous.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Maybe they were killing them slowly.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Who knows how these poor buggers will be twenty thirty,
forty years down the track, which is what chronic illnesses are, tom.
They are decades long in the making.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Here's one on the motivation. Hey guys, we're in our
later sixties later sixties, and we constantly remind ourselves we
want a long life, not a long death. We have
friends living the long death. They can't walk and participate
in fun living at all. Sadly for them. The motivation
of an active life ahead works for us chairs. I
(34:34):
reckon that's a big one for people once they sort
of hit sixty plus plus that people look at themselves
and go and you only need to see and people
sometimes it's just the cards they've drawn in the terms
of their health anyway. It's not always self inflicted. But
the more and more you know, you talk to people
as they're getting beyond retirement age, the thing that motivates
(34:55):
them is, you know, as my dad said, he used
to go for a swim at Koe Beach. I've told
said this before and we were like, Dad, what happened.
What happens if something happens in you, he said, And
I'll just think beneath the waves, That'll be fine with me.
But that I know exactly what he means. He wanted
to go out loving life or rather terms withering away. Well,
there's a difference between life expectancy and health expectancy. And
(35:19):
life expectancy is charging up into the nineties now, isn't it.
And young kids now can probably expect to live to
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Years of age.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
But what if the last thirty years of your life
or thirty five years of your life you were managing
chronic diseases that were completely utterly preventable.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
There's a big difference there.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I think that's a huge motivation for people. I think
it's I think probably the question is to find out,
you know, is to get the reality check on where
you're heading, whether it be in where would you start
with a go and see you GP get checked out
in the blood.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Warrant of fitness, get the warran look at it as
a minimum requirement. And on this message, I say to
middle aged men tim who were stubborn and don't want
to go to the doctor, and their wives and spouses
and nudging them. Come on, Gary, you need to go
and see the doctor.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Man. We have to do it for our cars.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Forced to buy law warr on a fitness once a year.
You used to be every six months, now it's once
a year. We need to do exactly the same. We
need to get our waist measured, we need to get
our blood pressure checked, we need to get our heart
rate looked at, we need to get blood cholesterol marcus,
HBO and c. All of that sort of stuff, and
then hope that your doctor or someone there, even a
nurse can interpret those results for you and tell you
(36:27):
as to what dietary changes you need to make to
try and get yourself going in the right direction, or
you might be going really bloody well, and they can
tell you that that's the case, to keep doing what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Actually, as a heads up, by the way, I lent
this back in Men's Health Week when I went in
from Men's Health check. My doctor said, you'd probably let
us need to need to let us know what you're
coming in for an advance, because we might need to
give you an extra ten minutes or so. So just
as just as a heads up from my experience, that
GPS like to know what if you need a little
bit more of a look under the hood, we'll be
back in just to take It's ten to five. News
(36:59):
Talks said p. Yes, News Talk said b. By the way,
if you've missed any of this hour and you're thinking, god,
that sounds interesting what Kent John's has been saying. There,
need to go and hang on a second. Let me
just check my microphone something something's cutting out here. Anyway,
go and check out the podcast on news Talk zeb
and yeah, it'll get loaded very quickly. It'll just about
be up almost as quickly as we hit the next outbreak.
(37:21):
But anyway, let's take one more call Lola.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Hello, Yes, good even afternoon, Lola.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
You're talking about insulin and the other night I rang
Marcus and suggested that people should get their insulin checked
and he finished up after I was gone. Figure, Lola
must have a problem. And so yeah, and it's interesting
that you're talking about this today. But I will also
(37:51):
be having my home assistine count because home as system
and as cecil colne are a seesaw. When your home
as system goes up, yah, as cebral colne goes down
and you're home assist in tribute between seven and ten.
Mine was thirteen. Last time I had it checked about
three years ago, but they said, oh the level was
(38:15):
that New Zealand is fifteen. So I hope it's gone down.
But I'll soon find out.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's an amino acid, is it hum assisteen?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It's a measure of blood vessel health. Ah okay, and
you don't want it to go particularly high. And the
problem maybe with those norms or those standards that Lola
talks about tim is that the average has gone up
as people have gotten unhealthier. So this is what's happened
right across the board in terms of metabolic health profile.
Is because the standard average person in New Zealand isn't
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as healthy as what they would have been fifty or
sixty years ago. The averages move up, so the norms move.
So what we need to be talking about is what
would be optimal, and optimal health is a far cry
from what is now normal.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Actually, you do wonder how much we've changed over the years,
what our expectations are.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Mind you, the the average breathing rate before World War
Two was about six breaths a minute. Now it's at
about fourteen so normal, it's about fourteen or fifteen breaths
per minute.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
That's normal. Optimal would be six or seven.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Really, how that's the first sort of time I've heard that.
Now I'm going to wonder how many times all of
the literature of a minute, all.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Of the literature pre World War II around breathing had
that as normal and to be expected was about six
or seven breaths per minute. So things have changed drastically
in the last seventy or eighty years.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
What would you advise be We've got about a minute
togo for people who are thinking they need to know
they look that they're thinking they need to do something
about their health, but they need to search for that motivation.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Three levers of weight loss are to do with when
we eat, what we eat, how much we have and
if you can get yourself energized with eating well tim
it's amazing how much you will want to move after that.
But getting to your why, have a think about something
specific that you really would like to achieve, what you
want to do with your life, and just take your time,
take ten to fifteen twenty and ponder it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
And also don't set yourself the goal of being world
champ of something. You know, I mean, set yourself some
nice achievable targets. Be kind to yourself, I would say,
well said anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hey Kent, great to see mate, mate, you two ten.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thanks for having the ahead time ripped by. When are
we doing the New Zealand version of the Biggest Loser
with Kent Droves? Anyway, Hey, look check out the podcast.
You can misted any of this. We'll be back with
Smart Money. Andrew Bascan is in the studio where it's
talking about the ocr and other things on Smart Money.
Will be taking your calls as well. It's News Talk,
said b three and a half to five.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:37):
And Hello, welcome or welcome back. This is the Weekend
collect Time Tim Beverage. By the way up after five o'clock,
we've got Smart Money with Andrew Baskan. We're going to
be having a chat about you as look, we all
bang on about the o CR. It's always fun to
see what's happening, and it's it's not just fun, it's
pretty important for people who are hanging out for a
bit of a break with interest rates from the bank.
(00:57):
But we don't have a chat about that and other
things with Andrew Baskan from Harborassic Management about you know,
is this the cure to our ills? It does all
lie with the and do we place too much emphasis
on that? But right now we're going to talk about
things to do with health. Because The Biggest Loser ran
for eighteen seasons before ending in twenty sixteen, so it
ended a while ago. In fact, when I heard about
(01:18):
this documentary, I was like.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Oh, wasn't that.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
That's quite a while ago, isn't it. But there's been
a docu series I think was on Netflix shown behind
the scenes moments, so there was A study that followed
fourteen contestants after their time on the show found all
but one had regained the weight they had lost, hands up,
whose surprised, and most surpassed the weight they were at
the start of the show. So it turns out the
(01:40):
reality TV show Let's be Honest it wasn't about making
sustainable changes in these people's lives. It just created a
horrifying spectacle that viewers couldn't turn away from. So you know,
if losing a bunch of weight very quickly isn't the answer,
then how can you lose weight healthily without being discouraged
by the slow progress? What motivates you your calls on this,
Because what motivates you to make change In the end,
(02:06):
I'm going to guess before I say a lord to
our guest, that it's all about the motivation. You've got
to find you why. In fact, I think I've just
quoted him. I think he's used that lineful with me before.
So let's get into it. It's it's Kent John's I felt.
I think that's your line, isn't it. I just channeled
Kent John's.
Speaker 4 (02:20):
Well, don't Tim you keep it? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Yeah, I am actually not too bad. You know, I
disturbed sleep because of the hours I went. But yeah,
you look, you look insufferably healthy. I'm glad we haven't
got that. You look good. I mean, I'm not going
to overdo it. But the cameras. We do have cameras here,
but they're not actually broadcasting, so say waving it, don't
weigh the time now, that's just for Hosk, Hoskin, Heather,
(02:44):
maybe Ryan, Yeah, the good looking ones anyway, So yeah,
how are you knowing? I'm good?
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Yeah, I'm all right.
Speaker 5 (02:50):
I was mildly titillated by that Biggest Loser Netflix?
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Did you watch it?
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I did, and I got into.
Speaker 5 (02:59):
It because I thought, hey, this is probably something I
need to be across and the profession that I'm in now.
But it was never a show that I watched for
all of them. How many seasons did you say? Eighteen nineteen?
Speaker 2 (03:11):
My goodness, eighteen seasons? Has it been going?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
I never watched an episode front to back. I would
have stumbled across it going around to a mate's place
that there flat and they had it on.
Speaker 2 (03:21):
Yes, and I always want to trymel sweating bullets.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Five or ten minutes here and there. I didn't recognize
any of the hosts, any of the trainers when I
watched the doco the other day. But it's a good watch,
it really is so.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
But you have had a look at the docu saries
I have.
Speaker 5 (03:37):
It's only three parts in the forty five minute long episode,
so you can bang it out over the course of
a couple of days.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
Because I think one of the personal trainers is suing
them because she was not happy with the way she
is portrayed, which might I don't know.
Speaker 5 (03:50):
She declined to be interviewed too, though, so she full
four went or four go? How would I say that
she gave up her opportunity to put her her version
of events forward. She didn't come out of it looking
particularly well. I don't think any trainer who would be
berating people like that on camera in front of millions
(04:12):
of people would ever come out looking particularly flash.
Speaker 2 (04:14):
I mean, the reason I didn't watch it was because
I just have never liked reality TV. I just think
it's it's the height of stupid most of the time.
Let's get let's get people as stupid enough to put
themselves on screen and demean themselves for a bit of fame.
I just find the whole spectacle of reality TV odious
and in particular the biggest loser. I just think, you know,
(04:37):
it's all about ratings, And is any I mean, is
anyone surprised that once the series is over that the
TV producers don't care about the contestants. Of course they don't.
I mean, am I being too cynical? I don't think so.
Speaker 5 (04:52):
Spoiler alert coming to anyone who hasn't seen the series,
and maybe tim at some point you decide to change
in wind to go and have a look at it.
But very early on they showed one of the season winners.
His name is Danny Cahill. Yeah, we need to talk
about him because it's important, and he lost one hundred
and eight kilos and he ended up winning the series
(05:12):
and he won a quarter of a million dollars.
Speaker 2 (05:14):
Yeah, well the money's an incentive too. Then okay, forgot he.
Speaker 5 (05:18):
Looked great, big guy, you know, clinically obese, lost one
hundred and eight kilos, look.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
Great, And then they panned to him.
Speaker 5 (05:27):
Now, eighteen fifteen years later, he's bigger than he's ever been.
And that was a bit of a wow moment.
Speaker 2 (05:33):
I actually think that's I think that's incredibly sad that.
Speaker 5 (05:38):
Seemed like a great guy and was quite happy to
sit there and talk about his life and how he's
been and everything like that.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I mean, obviously heather than he ever was. I'm guessing
it was not very healthy either, but I mean difficult
to judge that. But was he happy in himself?
Speaker 5 (05:52):
Well, he's smiling a lot. I think he said, hey, look,
you know things have gone off the rails for me.
I've eaten some made some poor dietary choices, and it's
time now. My wife and I have talked about maybe
we need to go and make some changes. So who
knows what's going on in the background, But he would
have had every right to say, hey, look, I'm actually
not interested in being interviewed for this.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
I don't want to be doing this.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
But because what he found today, he looks almost being polish.
What he got down to from what he was when
he was in the series, it's quite amazing.
Speaker 5 (06:17):
Well, he starved himself for about ten days before the
final way, in which I find it's almost unconscionable that
the show's producers and medical team would have allowed him
to do that.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, would they have necessarily what they've known? I guess
I don't know who knows what they do and don't know. Look,
we want to explore, but we want your calls on this.
I mean, is there anything to learn from these series?
But if you are someone who's engaged in trying to
improve your your health, but in particular, you know you
(06:51):
think you've got a few pounds, you'd like to share
what is the winning way to find the right motivation?
What is it that works for you. I'm actually going
to share a quick because, as I mentioned that it's
about finding you've got to have a y which sounds
it sounds like such a slogan, but you have to
you've got to find the reason, the motivation.
Speaker 4 (07:09):
It has to be specific.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Yeah, Well, one of the guys who goes my gym,
he's given me permission to mention it. I don't know
him particularly well. He's just a friendly guy called Gus
who goes to the gym where I'm at and Gus
is in. He was always in pretty good shape when
I met him and we had a bit of a
chat the other day. Look, he's probably one hundred hundred
and something kilos, but it's pretty much I have to say,
(07:31):
it's all muscle and he's a very impressive looking guy,
about forty years old. And I said, oh, how long
you been coming here? And what made averted you do it?
And he said, oh I was. I was one hundred
and fifty two kilos and as doctor said, you're going
to be die. You know you're heading towards type two diabetes.
So for him it was the health shock. But he
has he's not one of these guys he looks like
(07:52):
he's in danger rebounding because he's found friends at the gym.
He's a sociable, friendly guy. He's got a routine going on.
But he had the reason to do it, and he's
he's bloody magnificent. But not even when has this? I mean,
that's the thing. It must be ultimately down to the
why and then the other things that you add into
your routine to establish it.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
It's a pretty big why, isn't it. I don't want
to get diabetes. Yeah, well you can't get any more
powerful than that. There was the case of Simon Gold,
the well known New Zealand chef was in the news
just a few weeks ago and same situation for him.
Thankfully his GP I think who he knew quite well, said,
knew enough about inchilin resistance, and knew enough about pre
diabetes and how it leads to diabetes and everything like that,
(08:36):
and how it's a lifestyle related illness. And he said
to Simon Hay, do you want to be walking your
daughter down the aisle at her wedding? Because I'm telling
you now, you keep going the way you're going, you're
at risk of limit amputation. Bang changed his life, turned
his life around. I spoke at a HR conference recently
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and that was part of the story that I was
telling to get people sort of thinking about, Okay, it's
great to have an aspiration, Tim, and I know that
you and I have talked about this before. A lot
of people have them at the start of the year,
New Year's aspirations, new Year's resolutions. I need to lose weight,
I want to get fit, I want to cut back
on my drinking. And none of those are specific. So
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whilst they're aspirational, that's a great point to start. You
need to be specific, and the more specific you can
get get into the granular, more chance of being successful.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
Actually, it sort of highlights that short term rewards, like
you know, winning the biggest loser of the fame and
the quarter million dollars. Once you won the money, then
what reason is there for you to stay the way
you are if you had the wrong reason to start
with and there was.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
No support for these contestants post the show.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
Actually, that's that's what you've mentioned about. Simon Golds raises
that question about great story. Oh, actually I've heard that
one before about do you want to walk your daughter
down the island? It wasn't about whether you're going to
get a limb am potatoes, So you're going to be
alive to do it. And that's an example of sort
of an intrinsic but also extrims doing it for doing
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it for someone else, Because I mean, if you're a
mom or a dad or something that you know you
want to do anything for your kids, that's incredibly powerful.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
So I know of so many people over the last
few years who have come to me and we've chatted
about what their why is and thus so disheartened that
they've lost their way physically and then of course mentally
and emotionally that they can't be as active with their
kids as they want to be. They can't go out
and kick footballs around because that's just not up to it.
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It's potentially you at one stage before you got into
this lark, did you have a moment of thinking, I can't.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
It's just me, my memory misserving me.
Speaker 6 (10:44):
I was.
Speaker 5 (10:45):
I was absolutely exhausted, having been a father for the
best part of a year or so and working in
breakfast radio, next door radio, sport in the day. I
was absolutely exhausted. So that was my why, Please give
me the energy to be the best version of myself.
I want to be a good dad, I want to
be a good partner, I want to be a good colleague.
Speaker 4 (11:03):
Please help me. That was my wife.
Speaker 5 (11:06):
And yeah, and when you've been down on energy and
you find it again, as you know with your running
and your exercise, when you can find that other gear,
your whole life opens up to possibilities of great things.
And doctor Luise Schofield, who's a bit of a mentor
of mine, Professor Grant Schofield's wife. I know you've probably
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interviewed Grant before. She has this great saying that people
who are healthy, tim have thousands or millions of dreams.
People who are unhealthy have one dream. And that's really
stuck with me. When you're not well, all you want
to do is to be well and to be healthy,
and to be fit and to be active. People don't
wish that upon themselves, not to be, but so many
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of us have found ourselves in that position.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
We love your cause on this and we explored a
bit more on this and what are the right motivational
messages and what are the wrong motivations that Okay, you
might think that's going to work for you, but did it?
How did it pan out? And if you've had a
success full change in lifestyle, Because the funny thing is
seeing other people who have done it. Sometimes I don't
know if that you see someone who's I did this
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and I made these changes, look how orso I am?
Sometimes I think that can be overwhelming because you look
at yourself and want God a miles away from that.
To me, it's the comparison problem. Yeah, I always think
those aren't very but it might have been for you.
Did you look at your photo of you when you
got married and then a few years later when you
maybe not trying so hard to impress your part, you've
come apart these scenes a bit. Was that enough to
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get back to your day as a former glory? What
are the motivations that have worked for you, because share
them with us, because people who are listening they want
to know as well, because it's it's not necessary case
of you know, I'm going to get myself fit and healthy,
job done. I've got the motivation. It's you meet challenges
all along the way, don't you can't?
Speaker 5 (12:56):
Yeah, you do, and finding you why as you've mentioned,
and then making a start off you go and making
a start makes all the difference.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
We're going to take your calls eight hundred and eighty
ten eighty, and in fact we're going to get into
it right now. Sarah, Hello, yeah, hi, Hi.
Speaker 6 (13:12):
So all my life, I really just loved eating apples
and loved good food and actually brings you to sell
my God, all you do is you eat and ex
sides any well, and I didn't like sugar. I didn't
really get into the aisle where you go and get
the chippees. My years ago, my one of my partners
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was told by a specialist when he did a rugby injury,
he put on weight and he was addicted to those
bags of chips. And the specialist said, you had been
better eating side chips than you would the bags of chips.
But I mean both is worse. But anyway, at one
stage I was always fifty four on the scale, so
that's and I'm five to seven and a half. So
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and then I and then I had an injury in
two thousand and five and something else happening. I just
stopped running, I stopped sports and come to I put
on seventy eight kg. And then I wanted to lose weight,
so I lost sixteen kg over three months. Now how
this was?
Speaker 7 (14:13):
So?
Speaker 6 (14:13):
What I did was, you know, the cat I don't
missed that, but the Kardashian big salad bowls. I got
everything big, the bowls, the plates, everything, and I did salads.
I did in the salads, I did everything that was
like avocado. I did celery, I did grapes, I did tomatoes.
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I did all of that the whole time. I also
removed the milk and I used rice milk. I did
rice flakes instead of cereals. Was out sugar, and I
drank heaps of water. But instead of doing walking with sports,
I did walking in the swimming pools. And then I
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really just sat on an exorcycle at home.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Did you enjoy what you're doing? Did you enjoy what
you were doing?
Speaker 6 (15:04):
The Chines absolutely loved it. But the big shoka, I'll
tell you, the big shocker was that, Okay, I drank alcohol,
so please don't think that there's approval. But I drank alcohol.
I remember this, and I'm not really a big drink,
but I did. And I loved my rum and coats
and not a good thing. And so not a good thing.
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But DNTs are good because they seemed to be I
think healthier, but anyway, in moderation. But I was so
shocked whatever. It was so shocking because I lost sixteen
kgens three months and I didn't even notice it. And
I just did the right thing, you know, plant food
you can eat.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
And how's everything? Now?
Speaker 6 (15:48):
Okay, can I can I? Can I tell you what happened?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Yep? Yep.
Speaker 6 (15:52):
I had a really really bad treatment injury. We're not
going to talk about it. And I had a reaction
to it and I exploded. I went from at the
time I walked in to get the injection, I was
six five on the scales and I blew up to
one hundred and four. And I've had an operation now, so.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
Anyway, you've had a few challenges. We'll have to try
and truncate a little bit, just because I want to
bring into.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
Okay, So I lost weight over that time. I lost
another fifteen kg just drinking vegetable juice. Drinking vegetable juice
in the morning when I woke before I went to sleep.
Speaker 5 (16:32):
What was that in substitute of Sarah? What had you
been drinking previously?
Speaker 6 (16:38):
Oh? What have I been drinking previously? Monster drink?
Speaker 4 (16:41):
There you go.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
So where are you at now with everything? So you've
had your challenges? Are you?
Speaker 4 (16:46):
Are you still okay?
Speaker 6 (16:47):
So I just put on another ten k, taken a
year because I've had an operation. So a year ago
this time last year, I went down to eighty and
now I'm back up to eighty nine.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
Okay. So what is your what is your what is
your what is your current motivation? What's driving you?
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Oh?
Speaker 6 (17:07):
Happy genetics? Just like you just said. One of you
just said, I have all uncreative. I write, I photograph,
I do stuff, I have a dream.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Okay.
Speaker 6 (17:19):
I just have a motivation to not want to stitch
with the weight that I've got, it's really bad for
your heart.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
So you want to enjoy it, you want to enjoy life. Yeah,
I mean that's a fairly broad motivation in a way,
isn't it might have some serious motivation.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
I think if you know what the best version of
yourself looks like because you've been there before, that's quite
a good driver.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
Tim.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
I want to get back to how I was five
years ago or ten years ago. I'm not talking about
weight wise, I'm talking about how you felt within yourself,
having that vitality for life. A lot of people have
lost it.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
Actually, that's an interesting one because when you said that
if you want to get back to your glory days
of looking in the mirror and going, I'm just as
I mean, it's not can it ever be about the
way you look? Or does it have to ultimately be
about the way you feel? So you might decide, Look,
you know, I want to get my pecks back. I
want to get those biceps back that you know I
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used to be able to rock, you know, ten or
fifteen years ago. But that's not really enough. But in
the end, you've got to do something that makes you
feel good, and that's what keeps you going. Sometimes. Vanity
a great driver.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
I think, how do I look in the shirt? Can
I fit into my old wedding suit or can I
fit into the stress or whatever it might be. That's
quite a good, powerful kind of motivator. But I lost
my hair twenty years ago. That ain't growing back.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
People go gray, pop over to Turkey.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
Like separatist like I.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Most of us know that we can't look as good
as we probably did when we were twenty five or thirty,
but we can feel as bloody good as we did then.
It is possible for sure.
Speaker 2 (18:59):
We'd love to hear from you here on this what
motivation works, because if you've just joined us, there's been
a on The Biggest Loser showing that so many of
the contestants basically packed on the weight that they had
lost after the show was over, and it wasn't really
about sustainable change. So what is the sustainable change? How
do you make it? What's worked for you? Eight hundred
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eighty eight Text nine nine two. I'm with Kent John's
he's a health coach, and we'll be back in just
a moment twenty five and a half past four. It's
welcome back. This is the Health Harb. I'm Tim Bevers,
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my guest is Kent john C's a health coach, and
we're talking about the Biggest Loser, which ran for eighteen seasons,
but it's the subject of a docu series, Chris, So
many of the contestants who lost weight regained the weight
they had lost, and we're talking about I guess, how
do you end up losing weight successfully and changing your life?
And what's the successful motivation? What actually works for you?
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By the way, somebody text me and I just will
mention this, and Dana says, hello, can you please be
clear about the type of diabetes you're referring to. Type
one is not related to a bad diet, yes, and
type two is diet related. Stop eating crap or you'll
dig a grave with your teeth.
Speaker 5 (20:18):
Regards Lily, Well, yes, she's right, and there's nothing like
good old plain language. Type two diabetes is called processed
food disease.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Now, so thanks for reminding us of that, Dana, Dana
Dana Angela.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
Hello, Hey guys, how are you.
Speaker 4 (20:35):
Going by Angela?
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Gooday?
Speaker 3 (20:38):
HELLI yeah, I was just calling in because we watched
that doco last night. My husband and I found it
quite interesting. I'm a dairy farmer in Southland and this
time last year I decided, after clay was in the
crop edit gasping for breath, I needed to make a change.
So I lost twenty kilos and twelve months later I've
door keeped it off and just reflecting what we What
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I have is you know what a called long term maintenance,
just healthy habits. So those guys didn't, I mean, money
can't be a motivator. You can't just you can't just
drop the support off. You need that encouragement long term.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
What's the trigger for you? I love the in the background,
by the way, that's my calf.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Sorry, it was just like my husband and I just
got to the other side of the crop, had struggled
to walk through it. Claps on the ground. Just want
to catch my breast and yeah, I just thought, I
don't want to be unfit like this. I'm forty. I
got fit in my thirties. I can do this again.
Most people have reasons for the weight loss, mental or physical.
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You know, I had a car crash. There's so much
and it's just getting encouraged gently and motivated. And it
doesn't need to be hard. It can be just some
steps and healthy protein. You know, it shouldn't be short
term things like juice and all that crap doesn't work.
You need to eat real food and there's just a
lot of junk food in this world.
Speaker 5 (22:03):
So, Angela, what are the habits that that you were
able to create for yourself that have been sustainable for you?
Speaker 3 (22:11):
So basic ones is like fifteen thousand steps a day
just getting out there, so especially for your stuff in
an office, and that can be really healthy for your
mind to get outside and go for a walk. And
the other one is eating good fruitfast, lunch, dinner, and
having good healthy snacks in between. So I used to
skip breakfast, work on the farm for five to six
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hours without feed and coming and just gut to my food.
And you know, so it's making sure you're resting, eating,
drinking water.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Do you make a point of enjoying your food more?
You know, you were saying guts in your food, you
know when you're sort of you just coming, you're hungry
and just get it down here.
Speaker 3 (22:47):
Yep, you eat with intention, you know, I think I
stopped my fridge, so I'm like, what do I feel like?
I'm going to have a salmon steate with salad, some
vegetables and some fruit. Fruit is a great way to
get over your sugar craving. Having fruit with your lunch
and dinner can really help that sweet tooth. But steps
something anyone can do, and I'm the farmer. I can't
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get to a gym im an hour and a half
from town.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
It's funny because I can just when you said you're
a farmer, because I was thinking, well, gosh, you must
have an active lifestyle and all that sort of thing.
But that obviously relying on just being outdoors and being
busy was not enough for you.
Speaker 3 (23:22):
Yeah, and I think like carving time, obviously it's busy.
But during summer, standing in the couchit in the rotary,
coping on cows isn't doing steps. Sitting in the treck
that's not doing steps. Sitting on my bikes not doing steps.
So for me it was breaking a habit. I would
get up a bit earlier and do say, five thousand
steps on the treadmill time the cold, and then I
got the other ten thousand a bit more. Naturally, when
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you're on a farm here you can get a better environment.
But if you're stuck on office, you want to consciously
do something.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
Can I ask just so? Because I imagine you know
the idea of when you're farming, that's still sends me
in an energy intensive sort of job. Was it hard
to actually go, I'm going to get some exercise before
I go out and do the hard slog because that
feels like a lot you're putting on your plate. And
did you have to think about the way you were
eating again?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
Yeah? Yeah, so the eating parts messes, and then the
steps can To some people it can be just trying
to get to the letter, boxing back and pushing themself
a bit further and a bit further. You don't have
to do that many steps, but it was quite surprising
to me how many steps I wasn't doing because there
was so much machinery work involved in my day.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
Yeah. Hey, by the way, I have to confess to
an own goal there, Angela, because I thought you said sheep, farmer,
and I heard a noise and you're like, my producer
says to me, got you such a town eat? And
I do know that. I was thinking, that's a strange
sounding sheep, And then it didn't stop me from saying,
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but everything you go, it's a calf.
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Of course I have three sheep. If that counts, oh.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Well, its fool.
Speaker 2 (25:00):
Hey hey, thanks for sharing.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
That with Angela.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Thanks having a good one.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Seriously, tires in my ass like you're such a city Selecker.
I yeah, anyway, there's no explaining it. This is just
one of those things in sund Live Radio, wasn't it anyway? Right? Guys?
It also all sounds a bit la la land when
it comes to motivations. So my question is is it easier, Oh,
here's one. Is it easier for a couple or a
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single person to find the why? Being single? I think
it takes two times the effort to make the why
turn into a how, But first is to do what
we want, says Lee. I guess the question is if
you're in a couple, you've got someone reminding you, didn't
you say you were going to go for a run?
Speaker 5 (25:41):
I know of people that have taken on a health
journey together, hugely beneficial that you've got that shared experience
in that accountability. I also know other people, tim whose
spouse has been an impediment to change because they haven't
been willing to allow their loved one the space to
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be making the changes that they want to be making.
So really, to answer that question, it depends on the person,
depends on the relationship, but absolutely, man, if you've got
someone that you're friends with or someone that you can
catch up with, whether that be daily or weekly, and
you can hold each other accountability and to talk about
the ups and the downs and the shed experience could
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be hugely motivating to have.
Speaker 4 (26:24):
That with you.
Speaker 2 (26:25):
I mean, if you do as I think young guys
when it comes to exercising, and look, they're not out
of shape anyway. But you get the young guys to
go out of the gym, I think they are well.
They start it because they want to look good, they
want to get the pecks and the biceps and all
that sort of thing. But in the end, it must
they have to have an experience which makes them think, actually,
I love that sensation of just working out at the gym.
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I love feeling good.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Yeah, but some of the guys at the gym might
also be metabolically sick. There's a pretty decent percentage of
people to who are thin on the outside fat on
the inside. It's actually a proper medical term called tophi.
So I know of people who are fit and healthy,
and but you take a look under the hood and
there's some form of insulin resistance or their cholesterol profile
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doesn't look particularly flash and it's because they're metabolically sick.
So genetically, on one hand, they are predisposed to being thin,
but also they could be heading towards type two diabetes
or cardiovascular disease or stroke or dementia later in life
because they are not actually healthy. So we've got to
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be so careful here that we're not fat shaming people,
because skinny people who are fat shaming could actually be
unhealthier than the people that they are the riding and
that was I think one of the other standouts from
this particular show was just how insulting some of the
tactics were in going after people who did not have
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the energy to bust a gut. And the reason why
they didn't have the energy to bust a gut, it's
not because they were unmotivated or they were fat, or
they were lazy. It's because they could not access the
energy to exercise because they eating the wrong food. And
at one point the producers actually acknowledge this. We know
that the key secret to weight loss is to eat well,
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but that's pretty much boring TV. We need to get
them in the gym and have them slog their guts out,
because that's what people.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Want to see.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
When did they acknowledge that midway through, midway through what
the actual bus is either episode one or episode ten
of the docusit, so they actually got it.
Speaker 5 (28:28):
They got it. To lose weight sustainably, you have to
eat well, and it takes a period of time to
sustainably and in a healthy way lose the weight to
keep it off, that would be pretty boring TV.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
So what we have to do. We have to ramp
things up.
Speaker 5 (28:42):
We have to have these people go and crash diets,
calorie restriction and slog their guts out at the gym.
Why we pretty much abuse them because that's compulsive viewing.
But they didn't serve the contestants well at all without
approach because it's totally flawed.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
I guess yeah, look we will take you more cause
after this, it's on eight hundred and eighty ten eighty
text nine twenty nine two, but it's twenty one minutes
to five with Kent John's talking about the Biggest Loser
of the documentary, which sort of lifted the veil on
what really goes on behind these shows and how the
contestants fared after it was after the cameras and the
lights were all switched off. What's the motivation that worked
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for you. But we'll also explore a little bit how
much you can realistically expect to look like the person
next to you, because genetics saw a play a part
as well, so setting realistic expectations as part of it.
We'll talk about that shortly. It's twenty one minutes to
five news Talk, said B And yes, we're talking about
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feeling good maybe, but that's the motivation for losing weight
and getting yourself in order. But we're talking about what
are the successful motivations. This is on the back of
The Biggest Loser and the follow up documentary which showed
in many many ways the tragic flight contestants once they
left the show. Kent John's is with me And actually,
just before we got to our next caller, Kent, somebody's
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just texted saying, how do we look at You mentioned
the t FO thing thin on the inside and I
can't reboard it fat on the outside, No, the other
way around.
Speaker 4 (30:23):
To fee thin on the outside, fat on the inside.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
How do we look under the hood to see if
we're found on the inside. This is a fifty two
male texting.
Speaker 5 (30:31):
You need to go and have blood tests once a
year at least, and you also need to have your
blood pressure measured, and you also need to know how
much weight you're carrying around your middle. So the markers
would be HDL, cholesterol, triglycerides, HbA, one C, visceral fat,
blood pressure. Three or four of those five markers are
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out of whack, then you're heading towards metabolic syndrome, which
is a precursor of diabetes and everything else. So looking
for fasting insulin is another good measure. That's one thing
that we draw at the Autonomy Clinic tim you belee
the most valuable measure for health clearly one of them
when it comes to the way that our metabolisms work.
Speaker 4 (31:13):
Fasting inchalin okay.
Speaker 5 (31:15):
Because for people to lose weight and to keep it
off successfully, they have to drop inchalin down. And when
inchulin runs high, fat gets stored, energy gets stored in
fat cells. You can't access the energy, therefore you can't
burn it. You drop in chillin down, then your body
is pulling the energy out of the fat cells. You're
burning energy that's weight loss. So you can't lose weight
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successfully unless you get inchalin down. The best way to
do that is to not eat foods that send it high.
So I'm looking at you process carbohydrates, sugar, flour, that
sort of stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yep, right, let's take another care kent, another cant two
kents in one day.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Hey, what are the odds?
Speaker 6 (31:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (31:55):
Yeah, amazing.
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
So I've tried the whole and smitted fasting thing, and
I've managed to lose about twenty kilograms, as well as
doing things like having a healthy diet and still maintaining exercise.
But well, with that study, with that documentary, you had
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those people they were fasting and it didn't well, at
least when they're on the show, and that didn't work.
And then you had one of the callers there. She
was saying that she used to skip breakfast, but that
wasn't well. She actually put on weight. So is it
possible that fasting works for some people but not others?
Would fast work for me?
Speaker 4 (32:41):
I think?
Speaker 5 (32:41):
I think fasting generally works pretty well. The problem that
we see when we're talking with people who fast and
they're not great in the morning is that maybe they're
going for too long and their bodies are then now
storing extra fat because they are in a fight flight mode.
But really it's about getting the insulin down which is
why fasting were intimatete. Fasting is actually a really good
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tool for most people. There are circumstances in which you
probably wouldn't advise that, but mostly tim it helps to
get the insulin down. What was happening on the Biggest Loser,
of course, is they weren't talking about fasting and talking
about getting insulin down. They were crash dieting. So they
were going for long, long, long periods without eating, and
then you weren't sure as to what they were then
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eating afterwards. So you can go for a long period
of time with no food, but then if you load
up on crap that then spikes your insulin, then you've
just undone all of that good work. If you go
for a long period of time without eating, drop your
insulin down, and then have something that is healthy, that
actually can be a really good approach. So what we
saw on the Biggest Loser was it wasn't so much
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that they were fasting intermittently. They were actually starving themselves.
And we know that when we starve ourselves, we get
this enormous energy crash, we hit the wall, we're more
prone to average food choices.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
It's still amazed that didn't kill more people on that
show just look like a recipe for spontaneous.
Speaker 4 (34:04):
Maybe they were killing them slowly.
Speaker 5 (34:06):
Who knows how these poor buggers will be twenty thirty,
forty years down the track, which is what chronic illnesses are, tom.
They are decades long in the making.
Speaker 2 (34:14):
Here's one on the motivation. Hey guys, we're in our
later sixties later sixties, and we constantly remind ourselves we
want a long life, not a long death. We have
friends living the long death. They can't walk and participate
in fun living at all. Sadly for them. The motivation
of an active life ahead works for us chairs. I
(34:34):
reckon that's a big one for people once they sort
of hit sixty plus plus that people look at themselves
and go and you only need to see and people
sometimes it's just the cards they've drawn in the terms
of their health anyway. It's not always self inflicted. But
the more and more you know, you talk to people
as they're getting beyond retirement age, the thing that motivates
(34:55):
them is, you know, as my dad said, he used
to go for a swim at Koe Beach. I've told
said this before and we were like, Dad, what happened.
What happens if something happens in you, he said, And
I'll just think beneath the waves, That'll be fine with me.
But that I know exactly what he means. He wanted
to go out loving life or rather terms withering away. Well,
there's a difference between life expectancy and health expectancy. And
(35:19):
life expectancy is charging up into the nineties now, isn't it.
And young kids now can probably expect to live to
one hundred.
Speaker 4 (35:25):
Years of age.
Speaker 5 (35:27):
But what if the last thirty years of your life
or thirty five years of your life you were managing
chronic diseases that were completely utterly preventable.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
There's a big difference there.
Speaker 2 (35:36):
I think that's a huge motivation for people. I think
it's I think probably the question is to find out,
you know, is to get the reality check on where
you're heading, whether it be in where would you start
with a go and see you GP get checked out
in the blood.
Speaker 5 (35:49):
Warrant of fitness, get the warran look at it as
a minimum requirement. And on this message, I say to
middle aged men tim who were stubborn and don't want
to go to the doctor, and their wives and spouses
and nudging them. Come on, Gary, you need to go
and see the doctor.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
Man. We have to do it for our cars.
Speaker 5 (36:06):
Forced to buy law warr on a fitness once a year.
You used to be every six months, now it's once
a year. We need to do exactly the same. We
need to get our waist measured, we need to get
our blood pressure checked, we need to get our heart
rate looked at, we need to get blood cholesterol marcus,
HBO and c. All of that sort of stuff, and
then hope that your doctor or someone there, even a
nurse can interpret those results for you and tell you
(36:27):
as to what dietary changes you need to make to
try and get yourself going in the right direction, or
you might be going really bloody well, and they can
tell you that that's the case, to keep doing what
you're doing.
Speaker 2 (36:38):
Actually, as a heads up, by the way, I lent
this back in Men's Health Week when I went in
from Men's Health check. My doctor said, you'd probably let
us need to need to let us know what you're
coming in for an advance, because we might need to
give you an extra ten minutes or so. So just
as just as a heads up from my experience, that
GPS like to know what if you need a little
bit more of a look under the hood, we'll be
back in just to take It's ten to five. News
(36:59):
Talks said p. Yes, News Talk said b. By the way,
if you've missed any of this hour and you're thinking, god,
that sounds interesting what Kent John's has been saying. There,
need to go and hang on a second. Let me
just check my microphone something something's cutting out here. Anyway,
go and check out the podcast on news Talk zeb
and yeah, it'll get loaded very quickly. It'll just about
be up almost as quickly as we hit the next outbreak.
(37:21):
But anyway, let's take one more call Lola.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Hello, Yes, good even afternoon, Lola.
Speaker 7 (37:29):
You're talking about insulin and the other night I rang
Marcus and suggested that people should get their insulin checked
and he finished up after I was gone. Figure, Lola
must have a problem. And so yeah, and it's interesting
that you're talking about this today. But I will also
(37:51):
be having my home assistine count because home as system
and as cecil colne are a seesaw. When your home
as system goes up, yah, as cebral colne goes down
and you're home assist in tribute between seven and ten.
Mine was thirteen. Last time I had it checked about
three years ago, but they said, oh the level was
(38:15):
that New Zealand is fifteen. So I hope it's gone down.
But I'll soon find out.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
That's an amino acid, is it hum assisteen?
Speaker 5 (38:25):
It's a measure of blood vessel health. Ah okay, and
you don't want it to go particularly high. And the
problem maybe with those norms or those standards that Lola
talks about tim is that the average has gone up
as people have gotten unhealthier. So this is what's happened
right across the board in terms of metabolic health profile.
Is because the standard average person in New Zealand isn't
(38:46):
as healthy as what they would have been fifty or
sixty years ago. The averages move up, so the norms move.
So what we need to be talking about is what
would be optimal, and optimal health is a far cry
from what is now normal.
Speaker 8 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Actually, you do wonder how much we've changed over the years,
what our expectations are.
Speaker 5 (39:04):
Mind you, the the average breathing rate before World War
Two was about six breaths a minute. Now it's at
about fourteen so normal, it's about fourteen or fifteen breaths
per minute.
Speaker 4 (39:14):
That's normal. Optimal would be six or seven.
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Really, how that's the first sort of time I've heard that.
Now I'm going to wonder how many times all of
the literature of a minute, all.
Speaker 5 (39:25):
Of the literature pre World War II around breathing had
that as normal and to be expected was about six
or seven breaths per minute. So things have changed drastically
in the last seventy or eighty years.
Speaker 2 (39:34):
What would you advise be We've got about a minute
togo for people who are thinking they need to know
they look that they're thinking they need to do something
about their health, but they need to search for that motivation.
Speaker 5 (39:44):
Three levers of weight loss are to do with when
we eat, what we eat, how much we have and
if you can get yourself energized with eating well tim
it's amazing how much you will want to move after that.
But getting to your why, have a think about something
specific that you really would like to achieve, what you
want to do with your life, and just take your time,
take ten to fifteen twenty and ponder it.
Speaker 2 (40:05):
And also don't set yourself the goal of being world
champ of something. You know, I mean, set yourself some
nice achievable targets. Be kind to yourself, I would say,
well said anyway.
Speaker 4 (40:16):
Hey Kent, great to see mate, mate, you two ten.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
Thanks for having the ahead time ripped by. When are
we doing the New Zealand version of the Biggest Loser
with Kent Droves? Anyway, Hey, look check out the podcast.
You can misted any of this. We'll be back with
Smart Money. Andrew Bascan is in the studio where it's
talking about the ocr and other things on Smart Money.
Will be taking your calls as well. It's News Talk,
said b three and a half to five.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
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