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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be so.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Housing Minister Chris Bishop says he expects State Housing provider
coying or order to e vict an increasing number of
unruly tenants before numbers start to fall as the message
gets through. The government ordered the Housing Agency to end
the sustaining Tendencies framework in March and to strengthen its
management of disruptive tenants. Joining us now is Housing Minister
Chris Bishop. Afternoon, Minister good after what sort of number
(00:32):
of evictions do you expect this to peak at?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well. Unfortunately, over the last few years we've had basically
a soft touch approach from cliental Aura where it's basically
been impossible to get kicked out of a cliental Aura property,
even if your disruptive cause antisocial behavior of course mayhemd
for your community and your neighbors. We're starting to see
a few green shoots of change. So in the past
three months kliel Aura has terminated fourteen tendancies that compare
(00:58):
to just eight in the whole of twenty twenty three,
so over to fourteen and three months, and the twenty
five applications to end tendencies before the tribunal right now,
so we're starting to see kind of Aura take its
responsibilities as a landlord seriously. That came after the government
ordered them to do so. So I'm pleased with the
progress and let's wait and see what happens over the
rest of the year. But the message has to go
(01:20):
out very clearly to people who cause making for their
communities that time's up. You have to stop that sort
of behavior, look after your property, pay your rent on time,
and stop causing making for communities around New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Those fourteen you mentioned, do you know what kinds of
behavior got them a victim?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Be a mixture of disruptive behavior and persistent rent areas,
So in other words, not paying your rent on time
or in some cases not even paying it at all.
People are listening will know. Over the last few years
there have been all sorts of horrific stories of tenants
staying up all night, playing loud music, abusing neighbors. There's
any number of different stories that people could point to.
(02:00):
So it's that sort of behavior that we've said, you've
got to stop doing that. Look after your property, pay
your and look after your community. And if you look
after your house and look after your community. The community
will look after.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You when it comes to the paying rent side of things.
And understandably, some of those evictions were because they weren't
paying rent. But is it more complicated than that. Sometimes,
Minister that the reason they may not be paying rent
in this current climate is because they don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's true, and life is tough for many people. People
in kin or of properties pay income related rent, so
they pay twenty five percent of their income, so that
will be not a huge amount of money. I expect
that it's tough for some people, but you know, there
are lots of other people in the private rental market
who are finding it tough to pay rent as well.
(02:46):
And I think the legitimate community expectation is that if
you're in a kind or a state house, that you
pay your rent on time. And I think that's a
legitimate expectation of the community.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
You're bound to get a lot of support on this, Minister,
but the question will be what happens to these tenants
who do get evicted. It just shifts that problem elsewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, some people have benefected will go into a variety
of other circumstances. But I just point you to the
fact that there are twenty three thousand people on the
state House waiting list right now. So those are families
who are in severe, in urgent need of housings. Twenty
three thousand families. It's a lot of people. And I've
been contacted by families on that weight list over the
last few years who say, look, I'm in a hotel
(03:28):
or I'm sleeping rough for in the variety of different circumstances,
I would like a state house. I will look after it.
And they look at the stories in the media and
they say, you know this is outrageous. You know these
people are abusing there the statehouse that they've been they've
been gifted or at least been been able to able
(03:50):
to rent, And they say, well, hang on a minute,
why do these guys get a free ride and not
get kicked out when I look after the property? So,
you know, we don't have enough social houses of people,
and when you do, there have to be consequences of
those who abuse the privilege of owning a state house.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Is there going to be some nuance around this new direction?
And an example I can think of is you've got
a couple of pearents who are abusive to the neighbors
and unruly and they need to be kicked out. But
they've got a couple of kids who have done nothing wrong,
So then you shift them into whatever they go into
after that, probably living in a car. So is there
some nuance around you You've got to look at that situation
and think, well, how are we going to help these
(04:27):
kids who have done nothing wrong, but also at the
same time do what's needed to protect the neighbors around
these unruly tenants.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, there's a sliding scale of consequences, so it's not
like kind of or immediately moves to boot somebody out.
There's actually essentially the three strikes regime. They use Section
fifty five A of the Residential Tendencies Act, which is
essentially a kind of three strikes regime. And but you know,
up until the last few months, kind of aura that
has not even been really used that to be honest,
(04:53):
which is a provision under the law that you know,
all landlords can use and prevent kind of aura. So
the old policy was basically it was impossible to be
kicked or nearly impossible to be kicked out of a
state house we're saying it's a last resort. We don't
want to ever get to that point, obviously, but at
some level there has to be a consequence for repeated
(05:16):
and persistent bad behavior. And now that there is consequences,
I expect that we will see behavior change and people
will alter their behavior because they know that there are consequences.
That's the way society works, and that's the way penalties
are in our law works, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So just on to that point about case by case,
and there is support around some of those complex cases.
That would be the same with those unruly tenants who
have mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, of course, there will be a variety of different
circumstances that people find themselves in, and we expect kindl
or to have some empathy for the situations that people
are in. But as I say, at the end of
the day, there are a group of people who are
in a kine or a house now who have been
abusing their privilege and right to a state house, and
(06:04):
we're times.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Up on that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I want to emphasize that the vast bulk of kind
or attendants around the country and kind of ora houses
around one hundred and eighty thousand people. The vast bulk
of those people look after their properties, look after their neighborhoods,
pay their rent on time. We're not talking about the
vast bulk of people. We're talking about a persistently abusive,
small minority of people that the community has said enough
(06:29):
is enough, and we're taking action.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So just speak to the numbers again. And you mentioned
fourteen tenancies have been terminated in the last three months
due to that bad behavior. That's not a huge number.
Do you expect that to double triple or do you
expect the messages already starting to get through.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Let's wait and see. Last year, kind Or a tenant
terminated only eight tendencies throughout the whole of twenty twenty three.
I's had fourteen since March this year, so I expect
those numbers will remain elevated for some time as the
message starts to get through. Let's wait and see. We'll
be monitoring it on a quarterly basis, and you know,
I expect to see kind Or continue to enforce the
(07:06):
law that is available to them in the same way
it's available to any other landlord out there. So let's
just wait and see. But I'm expecting to see change,
and we're starting to see some of that already.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Thank you very much for your time, minister.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay, all good For.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be so.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Housing Minister Chris Bishop says he expects State Housing provider
coying or order to e vict an increasing number of
unruly tenants before numbers start to fall as the message
gets through. The government ordered the Housing Agency to end
the sustaining Tendencies framework in March and to strengthen its
management of disruptive tenants. Joining us now is Housing Minister
Chris Bishop. Afternoon, Minister good after what sort of number
(00:32):
of evictions do you expect this to peak at?
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Well. Unfortunately, over the last few years we've had basically
a soft touch approach from cliental Aura where it's basically
been impossible to get kicked out of a cliental Aura property,
even if your disruptive cause antisocial behavior of course mayhemd
for your community and your neighbors. We're starting to see
a few green shoots of change. So in the past
three months kliel Aura has terminated fourteen tendancies that compare
(00:58):
to just eight in the whole of twenty twenty three,
so over to fourteen and three months, and the twenty
five applications to end tendencies before the tribunal right now,
so we're starting to see kind of Aura take its
responsibilities as a landlord seriously. That came after the government
ordered them to do so. So I'm pleased with the
progress and let's wait and see what happens over the
rest of the year. But the message has to go
(01:20):
out very clearly to people who cause making for their
communities that time's up. You have to stop that sort
of behavior, look after your property, pay your rent on time,
and stop causing making for communities around New Zealand.
Speaker 3 (01:31):
Those fourteen you mentioned, do you know what kinds of
behavior got them a victim?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Be a mixture of disruptive behavior and persistent rent areas,
So in other words, not paying your rent on time
or in some cases not even paying it at all.
People are listening will know. Over the last few years
there have been all sorts of horrific stories of tenants
staying up all night, playing loud music, abusing neighbors. There's
any number of different stories that people could point to.
(02:00):
So it's that sort of behavior that we've said, you've
got to stop doing that. Look after your property, pay
your and look after your community. And if you look
after your house and look after your community. The community
will look after.
Speaker 3 (02:11):
You when it comes to the paying rent side of things.
And understandably, some of those evictions were because they weren't
paying rent. But is it more complicated than that. Sometimes,
Minister that the reason they may not be paying rent
in this current climate is because they don't have any money.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
That's true, and life is tough for many people. People
in kin or of properties pay income related rent, so
they pay twenty five percent of their income, so that
will be not a huge amount of money. I expect
that it's tough for some people, but you know, there
are lots of other people in the private rental market
who are finding it tough to pay rent as well.
(02:46):
And I think the legitimate community expectation is that if
you're in a kind or a state house, that you
pay your rent on time. And I think that's a
legitimate expectation of the community.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
You're bound to get a lot of support on this, Minister,
but the question will be what happens to these tenants
who do get evicted. It just shifts that problem elsewhere,
doesn't it.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Well, some people have benefected will go into a variety
of other circumstances. But I just point you to the
fact that there are twenty three thousand people on the
state House waiting list right now. So those are families
who are in severe, in urgent need of housings. Twenty
three thousand families. It's a lot of people. And I've
been contacted by families on that weight list over the
last few years who say, look, I'm in a hotel
(03:28):
or I'm sleeping rough for in the variety of different circumstances,
I would like a state house. I will look after it.
And they look at the stories in the media and
they say, you know this is outrageous. You know these
people are abusing there the statehouse that they've been they've
been gifted or at least been been able to able
(03:50):
to rent, And they say, well, hang on a minute,
why do these guys get a free ride and not
get kicked out when I look after the property? So,
you know, we don't have enough social houses of people,
and when you do, there have to be consequences of
those who abuse the privilege of owning a state house.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
Is there going to be some nuance around this new direction?
And an example I can think of is you've got
a couple of pearents who are abusive to the neighbors
and unruly and they need to be kicked out. But
they've got a couple of kids who have done nothing wrong,
So then you shift them into whatever they go into
after that, probably living in a car. So is there
some nuance around you You've got to look at that situation
and think, well, how are we going to help these
(04:27):
kids who have done nothing wrong, but also at the
same time do what's needed to protect the neighbors around
these unruly tenants.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Yeah, there's a sliding scale of consequences, so it's not
like kind of or immediately moves to boot somebody out.
There's actually essentially the three strikes regime. They use Section
fifty five A of the Residential Tendencies Act, which is
essentially a kind of three strikes regime. And but you know,
up until the last few months, kind of aura that
has not even been really used that to be honest,
(04:53):
which is a provision under the law that you know,
all landlords can use and prevent kind of aura. So
the old policy was basically it was impossible to be
kicked or nearly impossible to be kicked out of a
state house we're saying it's a last resort. We don't
want to ever get to that point, obviously, but at
some level there has to be a consequence for repeated
(05:16):
and persistent bad behavior. And now that there is consequences,
I expect that we will see behavior change and people
will alter their behavior because they know that there are consequences.
That's the way society works, and that's the way penalties
are in our law works, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So just on to that point about case by case,
and there is support around some of those complex cases.
That would be the same with those unruly tenants who
have mental health issues.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
Yes, of course, there will be a variety of different
circumstances that people find themselves in, and we expect kindl
or to have some empathy for the situations that people
are in. But as I say, at the end of
the day, there are a group of people who are
in a kine or a house now who have been
abusing their privilege and right to a state house, and
(06:04):
we're times.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
Up on that.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
I want to emphasize that the vast bulk of kind
or attendants around the country and kind of ora houses
around one hundred and eighty thousand people. The vast bulk
of those people look after their properties, look after their neighborhoods,
pay their rent on time. We're not talking about the
vast bulk of people. We're talking about a persistently abusive,
small minority of people that the community has said enough
(06:29):
is enough, and we're taking action.
Speaker 3 (06:30):
So just speak to the numbers again. And you mentioned
fourteen tenancies have been terminated in the last three months
due to that bad behavior. That's not a huge number.
Do you expect that to double triple or do you
expect the messages already starting to get through.
Speaker 2 (06:44):
Let's wait and see. Last year, kind Or a tenant
terminated only eight tendencies throughout the whole of twenty twenty three.
I's had fourteen since March this year, so I expect
those numbers will remain elevated for some time as the
message starts to get through. Let's wait and see. We'll
be monitoring it on a quarterly basis, and you know,
I expect to see kind Or continue to enforce the
(07:06):
law that is available to them in the same way
it's available to any other landlord out there. So let's
just wait and see. But I'm expecting to see change,
and we're starting to see some of that already.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Thank you very much for your time, minister.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Okay, all good For.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
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