November 2, 2024 • 14 mins
The Government has announced a new charter to improve access to public conservation land for fishing and hunting.
The charter will help the Department of Conservation to provide consistent guidance across the country.
Minister for Hunting and Fishing, Todd McClay, joins Tim Beveridge with more.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks,
d Ben.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Fishing Lover and every day that's spread out of country
Bard Brains.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank god me in this way.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hunting fishing every day, early morning.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Leading.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm getting read dir Rich Flee River paid fishing, love
it every day.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I wonder if
that wonder if that particular song is on the playlist
of my next next guest on the show, given that
he is Minister Hunting and Fishing. But anyway, we got
a couple of topics we're going to cover with Todd McLay.
The government has announced a new charter to improve access
to public conservation land for fishing and hunting. The charter
(00:57):
is going to help the Department of Conservation to provide
consistent guidance across the country so that everyone's on the
same page. And also the Minister, he's busy. He's leading
a large trade delegation to the China International Import Expo
in Shanghai next week to strengthen New Zealand's economic partnership
with China and grower exports. So the Minister for Hunting
and Fishing and the Minister for Trade, Todd McLay is
(01:18):
with me.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Now good, I hate Tim how Yes, it's going to
go on my playlist.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I like.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I even don't know who it is. In fact, I
ask my producer who is singing? Actually goes, I don't know.
But we've found the country in western song and hunt
and fishing anyway, and now on that improved access to
land for fishing and hunting, what is the problem that
needs fixing?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, look, a charter is just something that sets out
sort of rules, rights and obligations in one place so
that they can be seen and easily understood. And so
we haven't to change any laws or policy necessarily. But
one of the things that comes up with me quite
regularly when I talk to people a hunt and fish
recreation quite a lot is just a bit of uncertainty
(01:59):
about what those rules are. So we decided to put
a charter in place and if anything at probably guides
us in the Department of Conservation. But more that says,
you know, New Zealanders have a right to access public
conservation land at all times, including for hunting and fishing,
but there are some rules around that when you need
to hunt and fish. We're going to make sure that
we make it as easy as possible to have that access,
(02:22):
and that we want the rules or the way that
they are applied around the country to be a lot
more uniform. So if you want to go and do
something fishing in the top of the North Island of
the bottom of the South Island, that generally you're able
to there are few, if any restrictions. The way that
we all implement you know, the policies will be largely
the same, and where we do need to have restrictions
(02:43):
for any reason, they'll be rare and we'll explain very
clearly those reasons.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why is this something about just sending a positive message?
So if the decisions around certain access to certain areas
rests with a bureaucrat, they've been sent a signal that Locke,
don't say no unless you really have to. Is it
more about Is that sort of it or am I?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah? Look, it's as much about that as anything us.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We've also set out sort of the obligations that you
know that the members of the public have as well.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But yes, it is that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So when I became the Minister Hunting and Fishing year ago,
and I'm very proud, very privilege of being New Zealand's
first minister. I was really clear to the Department to
do that. I want to make it easier for people
to enjoy their recu recreation, not harder, and the restrictions
should be few and far between and from time to
time they're necessary.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And what we had when we had a little look
at this.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
And some of it's anecdotal that you know, someone in
the South Island might be applying the access provisions differently
than the North Island. And when we sort of when
a member of the public raisers we look at it,
the dock may change their position so it is a
lot more uniform. So this really just sends a signal
to them that says we want people to hunt and
fish where they want to. Yep, they're going to be
safe and there are some rules, but let's roll it
(03:53):
sleeves on and just make it easy for them.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Any advocacy supporting what you've done or on the other side,
any pushback on.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
This, No, no pushback, but certainly Fish and Game who
the statute body responsible for, you know, working out how
people might fish, and also bird shooting and the Game
Animal Content Council also who are a statutory body that
sort of manage game animals, deer, pigs, car things like
that that come out very very supportive. The one thing
(04:21):
I did say at the department was that it's not
just for us to work out what we should do,
go and engage and so they pretty broadly over the
last two or three months talk to a stakeholders New
Zealand Deer Stalkers Association, you know, hunts, some sous is
to get a feel for for what it should look like.
And so yesterday at the Seeker Show, which is New
Zealand's premier hunting show, which is at Mystery Creek with
(04:42):
Chrystopher Ucton, were able to launch this and it was
very well received from the hunters themselves, who, by the way,
just want to go hunting.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I just want to go fishing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Does it make any difference on issues like wallabee population
and getting a few more hunters and then to get
hold out.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So all the answer is is that can do. And
we're having a really good look at that. I mean
where I live, I'm remember pun of Road. They estimate
it's about a million wallabies here right, It's a huge number.
They cause a lot of harm to buy diversity and
by the farmers and so on.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're actually having.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
A really good look at how we can manage that
a lot better and in partnership as opposed to just
being the government's job. You know, there's about eight million
dollars a year spent on Wallabie control and it's not
clear we're winning that battle, and so you know there'll
be much more effective ways to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But the answer is yes. Also, it does.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Mean that, you know, with this new charta in place,
it's really clear how people get access when they should
and we're very keen to work with hunters to manage
animal numbers rather than just spending taxpayer money doing it,
which sometimes is harder than it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, good stuff. Now you are off to China with
you've got a pretty big delegation and you're also seem
to be on a roll. I don't mind putting saying.
With the success in the Middle East, what can we
help to expect out of this trip to China.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, well, you just mentioned that I was up very
quickly to Dohar last week and we completed a negotiation
for a free trade agreement with the Golf Cooperation country
Stack SIXEM there.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's a big deal for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
It's a very wealthy market willing to spend good money
for good, safe food and other products, and for the
last seventeen or eighteen years we've been trying.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We're already get that over the line this week.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But just I think I've had seven visits up there,
so it was a very quick trip.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm off on a plane this afternoon to China, to
Shanghai to attend one of the world's largest trade shows
and exhibitions. There's about seventeen New Zealand companies going to
be up there. It's the largest footprint New Zealand's ever
had at this show. You know, we're taking more space
for New Zealand companies than any time before. And there's
a few other businesses going up, not exhibiting, but are
(06:51):
going up to support the trade delegation and mission that
I'm leading, and so there will be some deals that
are likely to be signed there, which is great news
for those companies. So if a minister goes along, generally
couple of things open doors. We get to help businesses
engage with clients or potential clients they wouldn't otherwise it
sometimes speeds up the decision making of you know, ken
being put to paper. But you know, we're just backing
(07:14):
these these zeal And businesses to do even more, to do.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Better in that market.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know, experts is how we make sure we create
jobs and kiwis earn better money for the work they do.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Does that mean that the emphasis on the the emphasis
on this visit, is it more about you facilitating helping
to facilitate business to business rather than you going in
and having meeting with meetings with other politicians, et cetera.
It's more about supporting the seventy businesses that are going.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, completely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
You're seeing Christoph Luckxon do three trade missions this year already,
one up to Singapore, one through Southeast Asia, and then
I joined them on one to Japan.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And it's to support those businesses.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And so I've said a really clear message of anything
that we can do within the time available to help
them do business in that market.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's why we're going up there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I will have a number of political meetings as well too,
with my counterpartner others and that in some of the
state governments as well as you know, the Chinese government
itself will use that as an opportunity to continue to
grow and the best in that relationship. But first and
foremost supposed to Shanghai and then a few days later
up to Guangzhou with a lot of keeping companies doing well.
We're just up there to support their men, you know,
(08:21):
make sure they can do the best that they can.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
How do events such as the US election change the
dynamic of the dealings you have with in countries like China,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, it's going to be fascinating because of course we'll
be there the election happens, and I suppose we all
learned the result. You know, the world is sort of
sitting back a little bit and looking and wondering what
the outcome of the U S election will be and
what it will mean for them. But interestingly, traders always
challenging for New Zealand. You know, we produce high qualities,
safe food that the world wants, but there's a lot
(08:55):
of protection around. So we've always got to work really
really hard to make sure we can do well in
markets anywhere, and that's very much the reason why we've
been out on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We've done two trade.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Deals this ye with the UAE and one with the GCC,
just you know, getting getting the rules in place, and
New Zealand businesses can have some certain you can rely
upon them and so look, we'll wait and see. But
whatever the outcome of the US election, New Zealand has
ability to work you know, across the aisle with any
with any with with the next president. It's a very
important relationship for us, including a political one, and ministers
(09:27):
up there pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I guess what I mean is if say there's a
Trump presidency and he goes ahead with the tariffs, which
you're going to make a big difference, especially for China.
I guess with the United States, does that mean it's
easier for US to deal with China because they need
more friends outside of the dealings with the States.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think from a trade point of view, it's easy
for us to get products into the market. If a
Trump administration does put high teriff rights on punitively on
other countries, then you're likely to see big economies like China.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Or the EU reciprocate.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's not good for trade, these barriers, these casts, But
for New Zealand there are sometimes all these opportunities.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I've sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Made the case directly to the US Trade rep that
my equivalent in the US equivalent minister, and a bit
more broadly through the media that if the next administration
of the US wants to do that, then I don't
think it would be helpful, but they should exempt New
Zealand because what sort of signal does it send if
you do that to your friends compared to others that
you have a more challenging trade relationship. And we will
(10:29):
be making the case for an exemption. But look, lex's
wait and see. There's always opportunity for Keywis if we
do well and if there's protection and high high tariff
rates elsewhere. You know, with our trade agreements, those can't
be put in place against US, and so we have
certainly in the.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Chinese market, the UK, the EU will do okay.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But you know, high tariff rates in the US wouldn't
be good for trade around the world.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So the deal that you did in the Middle East,
have you got any other big announcements that you're sort
of not sitting on but looking forward that you might
be able to make in the next six months or so.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Well, we're working really really hard on that relationship with India,
and I think that's the next big one for New Zealand.
We're way away from being able to say, you know,
hand on heart, we will be able to launch a negotiation,
a trade agreement negotiation.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
With them, but we're putting a lot of effort.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And Chris Luxon was very clear, you know, in coming
into government, we want our relationship with India. There's a
strategic priority for this government and we have to invest
in it across the board, people to people, culture, you know,
it's a bit of defense talk about how we might
cooperate and of course it's going to be trade. So
I've had three or four visits up there this year
and I think I've met my my Indian trade counterpart,
(11:37):
Minister Goyal, six or seven times in India around the world.
We're pushing and working really, really hard, but it's going
to take a lot more effort because that relationship over
the last four or five years felt a bit underdone.
That's the prize though, over the next two or three
or four years for New Zealand, if we can get
a deal with India, as Australia already has one, the
level of playing for our exports, you know, one point
(11:58):
four billion people there and growing, they're becoming wealthier, they
want what we produce. We've just got to get a
trade deal in place, because some of those terriff rates
are very high.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, just one last question, more just about the behind
the scenes stuff. So when you hit it over I
think you said you went to Doha to sort that
o g ME out with those number of the states
over there. Did you know when you were heading over
there that you were going to do a deal or
is there some magic that happens in the room when
you get face to face that delivers an outcome that
you were hoping for but didn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
No, in this case, when I went up there last
week and jent on the plane Wednesday night and I
got there, we knew that it was it was finished,
and we were going up to formally announce it in
a ceremony with the six ministers from those countries. But
when I had my first meeting with a GCC minister,
which was in February of this year, it was the
Double DO World Trade Organization Ministerial Trade Negotiation. It was
(12:50):
in Doha and I met with the Saundi minister and
look again as a negotiation went off and on for
seventeen years and I sort of got together with him
and I just said to him, I realized that when
I trade minister six years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I knew him then and we got on pretty well.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I just I said to him, look, you know, we
should either decide to really commit and do this deal
or kill it and say it's over. Because we've all
been talking about it for a long time. We're either
got to be serious or not. I don't said it
very diplomatically, and he agreed, and so he and I
with a few other ministers put a lot of effort
and I've been up to the golf seven times this year,
including two ministerial negotiations. That's when I sit across from
(13:27):
them and we actually negotiate and try and make a
rich agreement. We've done a few others online and that's
what got it there. But the final thing around this is,
and this is how I think the world's changed over
the last five or six years. You know, these trade
agreements are no longer transactional.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
You know, I'll buy and sell from you. They're a
bit relational.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
We have to build relationships with people because actually, as
businesses do they trade with people, they get on well
with and not all of our values are the same,
but you know we can, we can keep working on
that and so big opportunities in that market for farmers
and a lot of our service providers.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Good stuff. Well, look, good luck with the trip to China.
Really appreciate your.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Time this afternoon anytime. Thank you, Terio.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That is our Minister for Hunting and fishing. Hunting and fishing,
shall I say properly? And minister portrayed Tom McLay.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Fishing Lover and every day that's spread out of country
Bard Brains.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
Thank god me in this way.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Hunting fishing every day, early morning.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Leading.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
I'm getting read dir Rich Flee River paid fishing, love
it every day.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Yes, welcome back to the Weekend Collective. I wonder if
that wonder if that particular song is on the playlist
of my next next guest on the show, given that
he is Minister Hunting and Fishing. But anyway, we got
a couple of topics we're going to cover with Todd McLay.
The government has announced a new charter to improve access
to public conservation land for fishing and hunting. The charter
(00:57):
is going to help the Department of Conservation to provide
consistent guidance across the country so that everyone's on the
same page. And also the Minister, he's busy. He's leading
a large trade delegation to the China International Import Expo
in Shanghai next week to strengthen New Zealand's economic partnership
with China and grower exports. So the Minister for Hunting
and Fishing and the Minister for Trade, Todd McLay is
(01:18):
with me.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
Now good, I hate Tim how Yes, it's going to
go on my playlist.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
I like.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
I even don't know who it is. In fact, I
ask my producer who is singing? Actually goes, I don't know.
But we've found the country in western song and hunt
and fishing anyway, and now on that improved access to
land for fishing and hunting, what is the problem that
needs fixing?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Well, look, a charter is just something that sets out
sort of rules, rights and obligations in one place so
that they can be seen and easily understood. And so
we haven't to change any laws or policy necessarily. But
one of the things that comes up with me quite
regularly when I talk to people a hunt and fish
recreation quite a lot is just a bit of uncertainty
(01:59):
about what those rules are. So we decided to put
a charter in place and if anything at probably guides
us in the Department of Conservation. But more that says,
you know, New Zealanders have a right to access public
conservation land at all times, including for hunting and fishing,
but there are some rules around that when you need
to hunt and fish. We're going to make sure that
we make it as easy as possible to have that access,
(02:22):
and that we want the rules or the way that
they are applied around the country to be a lot
more uniform. So if you want to go and do
something fishing in the top of the North Island of
the bottom of the South Island, that generally you're able
to there are few, if any restrictions. The way that
we all implement you know, the policies will be largely
the same, and where we do need to have restrictions
(02:43):
for any reason, they'll be rare and we'll explain very
clearly those reasons.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
Why is this something about just sending a positive message?
So if the decisions around certain access to certain areas
rests with a bureaucrat, they've been sent a signal that Locke,
don't say no unless you really have to. Is it
more about Is that sort of it or am I?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Yeah? Look, it's as much about that as anything us.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
We've also set out sort of the obligations that you
know that the members of the public have as well.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
But yes, it is that.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
So when I became the Minister Hunting and Fishing year ago,
and I'm very proud, very privilege of being New Zealand's
first minister. I was really clear to the Department to
do that. I want to make it easier for people
to enjoy their recu recreation, not harder, and the restrictions
should be few and far between and from time to
time they're necessary.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
And what we had when we had a little look
at this.
Speaker 4 (03:32):
And some of it's anecdotal that you know, someone in
the South Island might be applying the access provisions differently
than the North Island. And when we sort of when
a member of the public raisers we look at it,
the dock may change their position so it is a
lot more uniform. So this really just sends a signal
to them that says we want people to hunt and
fish where they want to. Yep, they're going to be
safe and there are some rules, but let's roll it
(03:53):
sleeves on and just make it easy for them.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Any advocacy supporting what you've done or on the other side,
any pushback on.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
This, No, no pushback, but certainly Fish and Game who
the statute body responsible for, you know, working out how
people might fish, and also bird shooting and the Game
Animal Content Council also who are a statutory body that
sort of manage game animals, deer, pigs, car things like
that that come out very very supportive. The one thing
(04:21):
I did say at the department was that it's not
just for us to work out what we should do,
go and engage and so they pretty broadly over the
last two or three months talk to a stakeholders New
Zealand Deer Stalkers Association, you know, hunts, some sous is
to get a feel for for what it should look like.
And so yesterday at the Seeker Show, which is New
Zealand's premier hunting show, which is at Mystery Creek with
(04:42):
Chrystopher Ucton, were able to launch this and it was
very well received from the hunters themselves, who, by the way,
just want to go hunting.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
I just want to go fishing.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Does it make any difference on issues like wallabee population
and getting a few more hunters and then to get
hold out.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
So all the answer is is that can do. And
we're having a really good look at that. I mean
where I live, I'm remember pun of Road. They estimate
it's about a million wallabies here right, It's a huge number.
They cause a lot of harm to buy diversity and
by the farmers and so on.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
We're actually having.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
A really good look at how we can manage that
a lot better and in partnership as opposed to just
being the government's job. You know, there's about eight million
dollars a year spent on Wallabie control and it's not
clear we're winning that battle, and so you know there'll
be much more effective ways to do that.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
But the answer is yes. Also, it does.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Mean that, you know, with this new charta in place,
it's really clear how people get access when they should
and we're very keen to work with hunters to manage
animal numbers rather than just spending taxpayer money doing it,
which sometimes is harder than it needs to be.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Yeah, good stuff. Now you are off to China with
you've got a pretty big delegation and you're also seem
to be on a roll. I don't mind putting saying.
With the success in the Middle East, what can we
help to expect out of this trip to China.
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, well, you just mentioned that I was up very
quickly to Dohar last week and we completed a negotiation
for a free trade agreement with the Golf Cooperation country
Stack SIXEM there.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
That's a big deal for New Zealand.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
It's a very wealthy market willing to spend good money
for good, safe food and other products, and for the
last seventeen or eighteen years we've been trying.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
We're already get that over the line this week.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
But just I think I've had seven visits up there,
so it was a very quick trip.
Speaker 3 (06:28):
And you're right.
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I'm off on a plane this afternoon to China, to
Shanghai to attend one of the world's largest trade shows
and exhibitions. There's about seventeen New Zealand companies going to
be up there. It's the largest footprint New Zealand's ever
had at this show. You know, we're taking more space
for New Zealand companies than any time before. And there's
a few other businesses going up, not exhibiting, but are
(06:51):
going up to support the trade delegation and mission that
I'm leading, and so there will be some deals that
are likely to be signed there, which is great news
for those companies. So if a minister goes along, generally
couple of things open doors. We get to help businesses
engage with clients or potential clients they wouldn't otherwise it
sometimes speeds up the decision making of you know, ken
being put to paper. But you know, we're just backing
(07:14):
these these zeal And businesses to do even more, to do.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
Better in that market.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
You know, experts is how we make sure we create
jobs and kiwis earn better money for the work they do.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Does that mean that the emphasis on the the emphasis
on this visit, is it more about you facilitating helping
to facilitate business to business rather than you going in
and having meeting with meetings with other politicians, et cetera.
It's more about supporting the seventy businesses that are going.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, completely absolutely.
Speaker 4 (07:42):
You're seeing Christoph Luckxon do three trade missions this year already,
one up to Singapore, one through Southeast Asia, and then
I joined them on one to Japan.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
And it's to support those businesses.
Speaker 4 (07:53):
And so I've said a really clear message of anything
that we can do within the time available to help
them do business in that market.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
That's why we're going up there.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
I will have a number of political meetings as well too,
with my counterpartner others and that in some of the
state governments as well as you know, the Chinese government
itself will use that as an opportunity to continue to
grow and the best in that relationship. But first and
foremost supposed to Shanghai and then a few days later
up to Guangzhou with a lot of keeping companies doing well.
We're just up there to support their men, you know,
(08:21):
make sure they can do the best that they can.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
How do events such as the US election change the
dynamic of the dealings you have with in countries like China,
et cetera.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Well, it's going to be fascinating because of course we'll
be there the election happens, and I suppose we all
learned the result. You know, the world is sort of
sitting back a little bit and looking and wondering what
the outcome of the U S election will be and
what it will mean for them. But interestingly, traders always
challenging for New Zealand. You know, we produce high qualities,
safe food that the world wants, but there's a lot
(08:55):
of protection around. So we've always got to work really
really hard to make sure we can do well in
markets anywhere, and that's very much the reason why we've
been out on the road.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
We've done two trade.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
Deals this ye with the UAE and one with the GCC,
just you know, getting getting the rules in place, and
New Zealand businesses can have some certain you can rely
upon them and so look, we'll wait and see. But
whatever the outcome of the US election, New Zealand has
ability to work you know, across the aisle with any
with any with with the next president. It's a very
important relationship for us, including a political one, and ministers
(09:27):
up there pretty quickly.
Speaker 2 (09:28):
I guess what I mean is if say there's a
Trump presidency and he goes ahead with the tariffs, which
you're going to make a big difference, especially for China.
I guess with the United States, does that mean it's
easier for US to deal with China because they need
more friends outside of the dealings with the States.
Speaker 4 (09:43):
I think from a trade point of view, it's easy
for us to get products into the market. If a
Trump administration does put high teriff rights on punitively on
other countries, then you're likely to see big economies like China.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
Or the EU reciprocate.
Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's not good for trade, these barriers, these casts, But
for New Zealand there are sometimes all these opportunities.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
I've sort of.
Speaker 4 (10:06):
Made the case directly to the US Trade rep that
my equivalent in the US equivalent minister, and a bit
more broadly through the media that if the next administration
of the US wants to do that, then I don't
think it would be helpful, but they should exempt New
Zealand because what sort of signal does it send if
you do that to your friends compared to others that
you have a more challenging trade relationship. And we will
(10:29):
be making the case for an exemption. But look, lex's
wait and see. There's always opportunity for Keywis if we
do well and if there's protection and high high tariff
rates elsewhere. You know, with our trade agreements, those can't
be put in place against US, and so we have
certainly in the.
Speaker 3 (10:44):
Chinese market, the UK, the EU will do okay.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
But you know, high tariff rates in the US wouldn't
be good for trade around the world.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
So the deal that you did in the Middle East,
have you got any other big announcements that you're sort
of not sitting on but looking forward that you might
be able to make in the next six months or so.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
Well, we're working really really hard on that relationship with India,
and I think that's the next big one for New Zealand.
We're way away from being able to say, you know,
hand on heart, we will be able to launch a negotiation,
a trade agreement negotiation.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
With them, but we're putting a lot of effort.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
And Chris Luxon was very clear, you know, in coming
into government, we want our relationship with India. There's a
strategic priority for this government and we have to invest
in it across the board, people to people, culture, you know,
it's a bit of defense talk about how we might
cooperate and of course it's going to be trade. So
I've had three or four visits up there this year
and I think I've met my my Indian trade counterpart,
(11:37):
Minister Goyal, six or seven times in India around the world.
We're pushing and working really, really hard, but it's going
to take a lot more effort because that relationship over
the last four or five years felt a bit underdone.
That's the prize though, over the next two or three
or four years for New Zealand, if we can get
a deal with India, as Australia already has one, the
level of playing for our exports, you know, one point
(11:58):
four billion people there and growing, they're becoming wealthier, they
want what we produce. We've just got to get a
trade deal in place, because some of those terriff rates
are very high.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yeah, just one last question, more just about the behind
the scenes stuff. So when you hit it over I
think you said you went to Doha to sort that
o g ME out with those number of the states
over there. Did you know when you were heading over
there that you were going to do a deal or
is there some magic that happens in the room when
you get face to face that delivers an outcome that
you were hoping for but didn't know.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
No, in this case, when I went up there last
week and jent on the plane Wednesday night and I
got there, we knew that it was it was finished,
and we were going up to formally announce it in
a ceremony with the six ministers from those countries. But
when I had my first meeting with a GCC minister,
which was in February of this year, it was the
Double DO World Trade Organization Ministerial Trade Negotiation. It was
(12:50):
in Doha and I met with the Saundi minister and
look again as a negotiation went off and on for
seventeen years and I sort of got together with him
and I just said to him, I realized that when
I trade minister six years ago.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
I knew him then and we got on pretty well.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
I just I said to him, look, you know, we
should either decide to really commit and do this deal
or kill it and say it's over. Because we've all
been talking about it for a long time. We're either
got to be serious or not. I don't said it
very diplomatically, and he agreed, and so he and I
with a few other ministers put a lot of effort
and I've been up to the golf seven times this year,
including two ministerial negotiations. That's when I sit across from
(13:27):
them and we actually negotiate and try and make a
rich agreement. We've done a few others online and that's
what got it there. But the final thing around this is,
and this is how I think the world's changed over
the last five or six years. You know, these trade
agreements are no longer transactional.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
You know, I'll buy and sell from you. They're a
bit relational.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
We have to build relationships with people because actually, as
businesses do they trade with people, they get on well
with and not all of our values are the same,
but you know we can, we can keep working on
that and so big opportunities in that market for farmers
and a lot of our service providers.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Good stuff. Well, look, good luck with the trip to China.
Really appreciate your.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Time this afternoon anytime. Thank you, Terio.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
That is our Minister for Hunting and fishing. Hunting and fishing,
shall I say properly? And minister portrayed Tom McLay.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
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