May 25, 2025 • 11 mins
It's been a big week in politics - we're still managing the aftershocks from the Budget on Thursday.
It's also Winston Peters' final week as Deputy Prime Minister, before he'll be forced to pass the torch to David Seymour on Saturday.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be And as you know, it's been a big
week in politics and we're still sort of managing the
after shocks of the budget from the budget on Thursday. Gosh, Thursday,
it's only three days ago. Feels like about a week
and a half, doesn't it anyway? Not only that, it's
Winston Peter's final week as Deputy PM before he is
going to be handing over to David Seymour, will be
carrying that torch. That'll be an interesting transition to see
(00:31):
because Winston is the statesman. Let's see what David Seymour
the statesman looks like. Will there be a difference or
I don't know anyway? With us to round up the
week in politics, is the Deputy Sorry. New Zealand Herald
journalist Adam ps today, Adam, how are you going at
how on a second? Sorry little technical glitch there, Adam? Hello,
good mate?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Look now that the dust is settled, what are the
remaining impressions of the budget because sort of for me
it's a bit of a blur.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I can understand what you mean and like you say,
it doesn't really feel like it's only been three days
since the budget. But yeah, I've heard a couple of
couple of commentators talking about it, one describing it as
a bit of a bitsy budget, which I think is
not too far wrong. You know, you've got a lot
of different things and here things that people be happy
about and not so happy about. You know, you look
(01:21):
at the extension to prescriptions. You know people will be
no doubt happy about that. Investment booth sets obviously the
key thing that the government are looking to promote, which
you know, being well received by businesses. How much is
going to shift the dial in the general public, I'm
not so sure. Key to any kind of budget reaction
(01:41):
is the kind of post budget road show that the
PM and ministers usually go on in the week or
weeks half to the budget. So it'll be interesting to
see what reception they get there and whether the feedback
on the ground is as positive as i'd perhaps like
it to be.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That business thing, So the twenty percent instant the deduction
on the purchase of the new assets, is it that the government?
I mean, they're not looking forward so much for the
instant plaudits for that but they're hoping that it will
have a kick on effect with business prosperity and investment
and things that they'll be able to tout at the
next budget. Is that more? What that's about?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, exactly, it's all part of this economic growth promotion
or theme that the government is looking looking to go
for and the dovetails are nicely with how they're looking
at key we sa I mean, and that's another thing
that people will will be split on. You know. Obviously,
I think a lot of us recognize that retirement costs
(02:39):
a lot and is only going to increase in the
coming years, and the idea of more in the old
savings account is good, but when you're putting that cost
on businesses, what intact that will have? And then also
you've got the government harving its contribution in the context
of the pay equity money that's been used to fund
(03:01):
a lot of and a lot of what's happened in
this budget. So yeah, like I say, a lot that
there is, you know, think our teeth into over the
coming days and weeks to really see how this all
adds up and contributes to economic growth which the government
is seeking.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, what do you think people are most upset.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
About hard to say. I mean, I think, well, obviously
you'd have to look at pay equity, right, whether whether
that is a general population angst or whether the people
who are impacted by it. You know that there are
some very very loud voices coming from those sectors that
(03:38):
are female dominated that are going to be paid less
in the future as a result of these changes. So,
I mean, we were in the budget lock up on
Thursday and you could hear the protest from outside, vibrating
the walls, the windows inside. You know, it was just
there is a lot of feeling, particularly with how the
government went about it. You know, you think about how
(04:00):
it wasn't forecasted, no one knew it was happening. They
drop it on the Tuesday, the House goes into urgency
and the bill has passed in a matter of hours,
and suddenly, in a matter of days, the whole scheme
has changed, and so the government is getting a bit
of flat for that, catching people by surprise, and you
can be assured that the opposition parties and the unions
(04:22):
will be looking to keep this issue alive. How do
you come months and into the election, how do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You think that's resonating with the public because there's a
little bit of hypocrisy from labor because they never put
the money in the budget to fund there the way
that the Lord had been interpreted.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I think there will be people looking at the
twelve point eight billion that had been set aside and
going wow, that's a bit of dosh. Right. However, there
is a compelling case. I think that obviously the opposition
and the unions will look to sell, which is there
is pay iniquity in some industries and we think that
(04:57):
that should be corrected.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I think if you asked the average New Zealander do
you think that women should be paid equal to men,
I'd say yes. But then we start get into quite
complex discussions about paid parity versus equal pay, versus the
gender pay gap. These these are all quite complex complex
things and they're hard to understand at the best of times.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The actually, I mean, there is still going to be
pay equity. There's still going to be a process by
which they've just amended it. Isn't that right. It's not
like they've thrown it all out, is it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, certainly not. There will be and they certainly are
expecting pequity claims to go through and are encouraging them. However,
they have tightened the thresholds, so it means that effectively
will there may be less and the in terms of
the number of payquerity claims that are made and what
comes out of those settlements, how much those settlements are
is expected to be less.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So Party Mari went in the house, were they.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Their leaders weren't No, which I think raised an eyebrow
for a number of number of government parties. Oh look,
I mean that they recall their interview that the co
leaders did on the HUI after the Privileges Committee came
with their decision or their recommendation that the two co
(06:12):
leaders be suspended for twenty one days I think it was.
And you know, they spoke with quite a bit of
emotion about about the scale of the punishment and how
they need to be there to how they feel as
though they need to be there to speak for their
people obviously both electorate and peace as well. So but
then you go to the budget debates and they're not there.
(06:35):
You know, I was in the house where Nikola willis.
She's handing out the copies of the budget to each
of the different party leaders and she just puts it
quite deliberately down on the empty desks of the CO leaders,
which you know as a great look course.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Not being able to be there, it's a pretty poor
luck not to be there. I guess when you can
be But that's my political comment. I guess, hey, what
about Winston He's will he be relieved to be finally
handing over his role? Do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I don't know about relieved. Well, at the moment he's
he's traveling, he's doing a visit overseas through Australia, India, Nepal,
Sri Lanka as well, So I don't know whether Deputy
Prime Minister the change will be forefront, will be at
the forefront of his mind, given the two who have
to be dealing with things like, you know, the potential
for war between India and Pakistan. But you know, it
(07:24):
is it is something that he you know, he's held
it three times now, this is third time being Deeputy
Prime Minister. It is quite a significant thing, you know,
for some we've seen something like this, the handing over
of the DPM role mid term. I understand that there's
no kind of I don't think David Seymour will expect
a bottle of whiskey on his desk or anything like
(07:45):
that from Winston. But but I'm sure, well, you know,
it's a changeover on a Sunday, so maybe David Seymour
goes for a roast, celebratory roast or something like that
to ask.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is there is there anything that happens on Saturday or
the just the toctics over and hey, David, your deputy
Prime minister.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, I think he did. It will have to be
sworn and there will have to be some kind of
official procedure that you know, in terms of the handover,
So not exactly sure what that looks like, but you know,
I don't expect there will be much change. You know,
even David Seymour can concede it's a more symbolic role
than anything. Obviously, he'll say it's a it's a good
return for for the voters that put him in there.
(08:24):
Interesting though, we'll be to see how much that constrains
his messaging. You know, we heard this morning Seemore talking
to Francesca saying that yes, something he expects it will
somewhat restrain him given when Luxeon is out of the country,
he is effectively specting as prime ministers as the seymore so,
you know how that interacts with the election, the build
(08:45):
up to the election next year. And you know, if
there's one thing that we know at Winston Peters, it's
that it's never too early to start campaigning. How David
Seymour responds to that when he has to deal with
the DPM role, you know, will be something that we'll
all be looking at very closely.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Lucky, last Nichola Willis been sized for not wearing New
Zealand designers to the budget. What did you make of
that because it was something we reported in the Herald
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, look, yeah, a story that was reported on Saturday.
I think you've seen quite a bit of reaction, particularly
from her National Party colleagues, saying that perhaps isn't as
relevant the type of dress that was worn, but the
policies that were promoted quite entertainingly. A number of her
(09:36):
male colleagues have posted what some of your younger listeners
may know as fit checks, detailing their outfits and which
is always quite entertaining to see a couple of couple
of people admitting that perhaps their shoes need a bit
of a shine, or that they might need to update
their tai collection Hamish Campbell from Island. The Minting Bea
(09:57):
was about ten years old. Fortunately, Mike Butterick, who was
the MP that went around and did a few interviews,
stayed away from PEPs the more private clothing options that
some of the MP's made, So yeah, good to see
a bit of entertainment around Lucky.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Last question though, Adam, and you might not be comfortable
answering this either, but given the arguments we've had about
pay equity and the way women are treated differently to men,
don't you think it's a bad look that even in
the media there are stories about what Nikola Willis was wearing.
Then there's no way that a male Minister of Finance
gets asked who made his suit? Do you think we
need to get over this? Because I thought it was
(10:38):
a really poor look for everyone who told that story.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah. Look, I mean that's something for something for people
to judge, and I think you've seen it, seen that
reflected by a number of people who have commented more good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, thanks mate, I appreciate it. Well, we've got I've
got a clip of Chris Biship will play because I
thought this was quite good. I appreciate your time, Adam, cheers,
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to news
talks it'd be weekends from three pm, or follow the
podcast on I Hard Ready
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be And as you know, it's been a big
week in politics and we're still sort of managing the
after shocks of the budget from the budget on Thursday. Gosh, Thursday,
it's only three days ago. Feels like about a week
and a half, doesn't it anyway? Not only that, it's
Winston Peter's final week as Deputy PM before he is
going to be handing over to David Seymour, will be
carrying that torch. That'll be an interesting transition to see
(00:31):
because Winston is the statesman. Let's see what David Seymour
the statesman looks like. Will there be a difference or
I don't know anyway? With us to round up the
week in politics, is the Deputy Sorry. New Zealand Herald
journalist Adam ps today, Adam, how are you going at
how on a second? Sorry little technical glitch there, Adam? Hello,
good mate?
Speaker 3 (00:50):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
I'm good?
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Hey?
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Look now that the dust is settled, what are the
remaining impressions of the budget because sort of for me
it's a bit of a blur.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah, I can understand what you mean and like you say,
it doesn't really feel like it's only been three days
since the budget. But yeah, I've heard a couple of
couple of commentators talking about it, one describing it as
a bit of a bitsy budget, which I think is
not too far wrong. You know, you've got a lot
of different things and here things that people be happy
about and not so happy about. You know, you look
(01:21):
at the extension to prescriptions. You know people will be
no doubt happy about that. Investment booth sets obviously the
key thing that the government are looking to promote, which
you know, being well received by businesses. How much is
going to shift the dial in the general public, I'm
not so sure. Key to any kind of budget reaction
(01:41):
is the kind of post budget road show that the
PM and ministers usually go on in the week or
weeks half to the budget. So it'll be interesting to
see what reception they get there and whether the feedback
on the ground is as positive as i'd perhaps like
it to be.
Speaker 2 (01:58):
That business thing, So the twenty percent instant the deduction
on the purchase of the new assets, is it that the government?
I mean, they're not looking forward so much for the
instant plaudits for that but they're hoping that it will
have a kick on effect with business prosperity and investment
and things that they'll be able to tout at the
next budget. Is that more? What that's about?
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Well, exactly, it's all part of this economic growth promotion
or theme that the government is looking looking to go
for and the dovetails are nicely with how they're looking
at key we sa I mean, and that's another thing
that people will will be split on. You know. Obviously,
I think a lot of us recognize that retirement costs
(02:39):
a lot and is only going to increase in the
coming years, and the idea of more in the old
savings account is good, but when you're putting that cost
on businesses, what intact that will have? And then also
you've got the government harving its contribution in the context
of the pay equity money that's been used to fund
(03:01):
a lot of and a lot of what's happened in
this budget. So yeah, like I say, a lot that
there is, you know, think our teeth into over the
coming days and weeks to really see how this all
adds up and contributes to economic growth which the government
is seeking.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
Yeah, what do you think people are most upset.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
About hard to say. I mean, I think, well, obviously
you'd have to look at pay equity, right, whether whether
that is a general population angst or whether the people
who are impacted by it. You know that there are
some very very loud voices coming from those sectors that
(03:38):
are female dominated that are going to be paid less
in the future as a result of these changes. So,
I mean, we were in the budget lock up on
Thursday and you could hear the protest from outside, vibrating
the walls, the windows inside. You know, it was just
there is a lot of feeling, particularly with how the
government went about it. You know, you think about how
(04:00):
it wasn't forecasted, no one knew it was happening. They
drop it on the Tuesday, the House goes into urgency
and the bill has passed in a matter of hours,
and suddenly, in a matter of days, the whole scheme
has changed, and so the government is getting a bit
of flat for that, catching people by surprise, and you
can be assured that the opposition parties and the unions
(04:22):
will be looking to keep this issue alive. How do
you come months and into the election, how do.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
You think that's resonating with the public because there's a
little bit of hypocrisy from labor because they never put
the money in the budget to fund there the way
that the Lord had been interpreted.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Well, I think there will be people looking at the
twelve point eight billion that had been set aside and
going wow, that's a bit of dosh. Right. However, there
is a compelling case. I think that obviously the opposition
and the unions will look to sell, which is there
is pay iniquity in some industries and we think that
(04:57):
that should be corrected.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:59):
I think if you asked the average New Zealander do
you think that women should be paid equal to men,
I'd say yes. But then we start get into quite
complex discussions about paid parity versus equal pay, versus the
gender pay gap. These these are all quite complex complex
things and they're hard to understand at the best of times.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
The actually, I mean, there is still going to be
pay equity. There's still going to be a process by
which they've just amended it. Isn't that right. It's not
like they've thrown it all out, is it.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
No, certainly not. There will be and they certainly are
expecting pequity claims to go through and are encouraging them. However,
they have tightened the thresholds, so it means that effectively
will there may be less and the in terms of
the number of payquerity claims that are made and what
comes out of those settlements, how much those settlements are
is expected to be less.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
So Party Mari went in the house, were they.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Their leaders weren't No, which I think raised an eyebrow
for a number of number of government parties. Oh look,
I mean that they recall their interview that the co
leaders did on the HUI after the Privileges Committee came
with their decision or their recommendation that the two co
(06:12):
leaders be suspended for twenty one days I think it was.
And you know, they spoke with quite a bit of
emotion about about the scale of the punishment and how
they need to be there to how they feel as
though they need to be there to speak for their
people obviously both electorate and peace as well. So but
then you go to the budget debates and they're not there.
(06:35):
You know, I was in the house where Nikola willis.
She's handing out the copies of the budget to each
of the different party leaders and she just puts it
quite deliberately down on the empty desks of the CO leaders,
which you know as a great look course.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Not being able to be there, it's a pretty poor
luck not to be there. I guess when you can
be But that's my political comment. I guess, hey, what
about Winston He's will he be relieved to be finally
handing over his role? Do you think.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I don't know about relieved. Well, at the moment he's
he's traveling, he's doing a visit overseas through Australia, India, Nepal,
Sri Lanka as well, So I don't know whether Deputy
Prime Minister the change will be forefront, will be at
the forefront of his mind, given the two who have
to be dealing with things like, you know, the potential
for war between India and Pakistan. But you know, it
(07:24):
is it is something that he you know, he's held
it three times now, this is third time being Deeputy
Prime Minister. It is quite a significant thing, you know,
for some we've seen something like this, the handing over
of the DPM role mid term. I understand that there's
no kind of I don't think David Seymour will expect
a bottle of whiskey on his desk or anything like
(07:45):
that from Winston. But but I'm sure, well, you know,
it's a changeover on a Sunday, so maybe David Seymour
goes for a roast, celebratory roast or something like that
to ask.
Speaker 2 (07:54):
Is there is there anything that happens on Saturday or
the just the toctics over and hey, David, your deputy
Prime minister.
Speaker 3 (08:01):
Well, I think he did. It will have to be
sworn and there will have to be some kind of
official procedure that you know, in terms of the handover,
So not exactly sure what that looks like, but you know,
I don't expect there will be much change. You know,
even David Seymour can concede it's a more symbolic role
than anything. Obviously, he'll say it's a it's a good
return for for the voters that put him in there.
(08:24):
Interesting though, we'll be to see how much that constrains
his messaging. You know, we heard this morning Seemore talking
to Francesca saying that yes, something he expects it will
somewhat restrain him given when Luxeon is out of the country,
he is effectively specting as prime ministers as the seymore so,
you know how that interacts with the election, the build
(08:45):
up to the election next year. And you know, if
there's one thing that we know at Winston Peters, it's
that it's never too early to start campaigning. How David
Seymour responds to that when he has to deal with
the DPM role, you know, will be something that we'll
all be looking at very closely.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
Lucky, last Nichola Willis been sized for not wearing New
Zealand designers to the budget. What did you make of
that because it was something we reported in the Herald
as well.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
Yeah, look, yeah, a story that was reported on Saturday.
I think you've seen quite a bit of reaction, particularly
from her National Party colleagues, saying that perhaps isn't as
relevant the type of dress that was worn, but the
policies that were promoted quite entertainingly. A number of her
(09:36):
male colleagues have posted what some of your younger listeners
may know as fit checks, detailing their outfits and which
is always quite entertaining to see a couple of couple
of people admitting that perhaps their shoes need a bit
of a shine, or that they might need to update
their tai collection Hamish Campbell from Island. The Minting Bea
(09:57):
was about ten years old. Fortunately, Mike Butterick, who was
the MP that went around and did a few interviews,
stayed away from PEPs the more private clothing options that
some of the MP's made, So yeah, good to see
a bit of entertainment around Lucky.
Speaker 2 (10:17):
Last question though, Adam, and you might not be comfortable
answering this either, but given the arguments we've had about
pay equity and the way women are treated differently to men,
don't you think it's a bad look that even in
the media there are stories about what Nikola Willis was wearing.
Then there's no way that a male Minister of Finance
gets asked who made his suit? Do you think we
need to get over this? Because I thought it was
(10:38):
a really poor look for everyone who told that story.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Yeah. Look, I mean that's something for something for people
to judge, and I think you've seen it, seen that
reflected by a number of people who have commented more good.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
Well, thanks mate, I appreciate it. Well, we've got I've
got a clip of Chris Biship will play because I
thought this was quite good. I appreciate your time, Adam, cheers,
Thanks very much.
Speaker 1 (10:57):
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