November 22, 2025 • 13 mins
A deal was reached at COP30 this weekend, boosting finance for poor nations coping with global warming - but there was no mention of fossil fuels.
83 countries signed a roadmap that would push for the end of fossil fuels, but New Zealand was one of the only countries not to sign.
The opposition has spoken out, saying the move has made us look foolish on the world stage.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be right now. A deal, well not right now,
but a deal was reached at COP thirty this weekend,
boosting finance for poor nations coping with global warming, but
there was no mention of reducing fossil fuels. Eighty three
countries signed a roadmap map that would push for the
end of fossil fuels, but New Zealand was one of
the countries not to sign. The opposition spoken out saying
(00:30):
the move made us look foolish on the world stage. Anyway.
Recently back from the COP thirtiest, Climate Change Minister Simon
Watts and he is with us now. Simon, good afternoon,
Very good afternoon, Tim. Do you have a good time
at these things?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
No, well, you know you're exhausted and I've just got
back and I've definitely feeling pretty jet lagged. It's a
long way to Brazil from New Zealand. But look, the
reality is it's quality and you've got to go hard
and we did that. We spent a huge amount of time.
We've got a lot achieved and you know that's positive
(01:05):
for us. You've got to be at the table what's
what's it like with the sort.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Of I think I saw the figures around fifty six
thousand delegates registered to attend in person, and is there
any sort of I mean, you will have heard this,
the sense of irony about the fossil fuel burn just
to get everyone there.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh, look, there there's a huge amount of people. But
then again it's one hundred and ninety four countries, so
you know, NGO participants, there's business, there's you know, all
parts of local community as well there. I mean, don't
forget Brazil's a pretty big country with plus two hundred
million people, so you know, it was a well organized
(01:45):
event in the main, with the exception of the little
incident at the end with the fire, but other than that,
you know, it was went pretty slip.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, New Zealand did win an award, didn't we What
do we get Fossil of the Day. How did you
feel about that?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, we're not the only ones, I think Canada, Switzerland
and a few others we've had. I mean we've had
a few as well in the but look, the reality
is it's one of those parts of the conferences by
no means the focal point. We were there to make
sure that we supported Australia on their bid for next year,
and I did a large number of bilaterals UK EU,
(02:21):
you know, Australia, Singapore, I did some deals with Indonesia
on geothermal and also Iceland as well, so you know,
positive trade conversations as well.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So what's an example you mentioned the GFM will deal
with Iceland. What does that actually look like?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So basically it's an agreement for us to cooperate. Obviously
we have significant areas of interest in regards to that
energy source. New Zealand's gone from ten percent of our
electricity grid to twenty percent. You know, we're doing a
lot of work around super critical and the same with
Iceland as well at the moment, so we're sharing technical
knowledge and background. We're probably considered the two countries in
(02:58):
the world with the most amount of experience in that space,
so it's really important strategically that we are sharing. You know,
I had a good opportunity to catch up with her
there Climate and Energy Minister the same role as me there,
and you know we did some made some good progress
in terms of our relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
As most of the talk about climate change, I mean,
is it going to be about adaptation now as mitigation
and reducing fossil fuels. Is that just something that sort
of raises its head and never gets taken particularly seriously
because we all love our fossil fuels and rely on them.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think the reality is, and you're seeing that back
home here in New Zealand, is you know, the focus
is very much or an adaptation because that's what people
understand easily. When we impact to the floods that we've
had and all those weather events the last years, people
understand the impacts of that and they want to understand
what the plan is to make sure that the infrastructure
is resilient to deal with that. So you're seeing that
(03:54):
play through globally as well. And the agreement in terms
of increasing funding for adaptation was one of the most
significant takeaway decisions from this cop You know, New Zealand's
already doing that and actually, you know Adaptation Framework released
in the last month. We're i think one of the
only countries in the world to have put that in place,
(04:14):
that were putting that in place. So you know, we
were getting some pretty good feedback from countries in regards
to what we're doing in adaptation. But you know, the
world is seen. That is the area where a lot
of focus is required.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What was your main goal in attending this?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Main goal first and foremost was to support the Australia
bid for COP thirty one along with a Pacific and
secondly to make sure that I was building and strengthening
relationships with our key trading partners and countries. So as
I said, I met UK, EU, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, Ireland, China.
I met with all of their ministers and the heads
(04:52):
of delegation. Also caught up with California in terms of
their Agri minister and the Secretary General of the UN
as well, So it's a meeting with three other ministers,
myself with him. We did all that in about forty
eight hours on the ground, so pretty high output in
terms of bilateral engagement, which is good for New Zealanding. Again,
(05:15):
if you're not at the table, you're not at the venue,
then you're not able to have those interactions. And New
Zealand's considered in high regard by all of the countries
that we interact with.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So one expert said that cooperation has been effectively newted
by the Petro States. I mean, is there a. Do
you believe that the COP process is capable of delivering
meaningful change as long as those petro states are just
not really playing more.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I do believe it is because you know, there's a
lot of challenge in the whole multilateral rule based system
at the moment. We know that, particularly in the trades here.
But you know what the COP conference was able to
achieve in regards to agreement around adaptation is positive. To
get agreement for one hundred and ninety four countries, let's
(06:03):
be fair, is pretty challenging and difficult. I mean, most
families don't even organize and agree on some things, right,
So you know, I think in reality that when you
apply that view. But you know, I think what was
positive is the Pacific Island nations and I met with them.
You know, we were right next to you to each other,
(06:23):
and we met with them a number of times. You know,
we're working as a team Australia, New Zealand and the
Pacific Islands. We sort of operate as a broader grouping
you know, in sixteen countries in total, and you know,
we make sure that our voice is heard on issues
and that's important. You know, we've got to stick together
in our part of the world.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Experts say that New Zealand's nationally Determined contribution is not
science aligned and won't help hit one and a half degrees.
Do you accept that and what comment would you have
on that?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
No, I don't. I mean now, in DC, New Zealand
was one of I think we're the eighth country in
the world to publish our nationally Determined Contribution, which is
basically our target. As it of twenty thirty five, they're
still over one hundred countries in the world that have
not even published a target yet. So you know, we
were there at the start. We set an ambitious goal
(07:14):
and as I say, it's a pathway, that's a milestone
on the way to twenty fifty. But we've had to
look at it and go, you know, is it appropriate
for our unique circumstances in New Zealand. And I think
people have to understand that New Zealand is different to
other countries, particularly with our agriculture and export base. You know,
when I was talking other ministers around the world about
methane and other things, no one was giving me stick
(07:37):
for what I get back home about methane because they
understand that, you know, well, for first and foremost, I said, well,
we were ninety eight percent renewable electricity in the month
of October on average, and they sort of nearly fall
off their chair with that. You know, we've got a
lot of positives going for our country, and also the
agricultural part. You know, they understand leakage. If we don't
(08:01):
produce the food, it's going to go somewhere else with
a higher emissions profile. That's not positive for the broader
globe either. So you know, we're pretty proud. We're going
to be proud of what we're doing here in New Zealand.
We're making some good progress and yeah we need to
do a bit more and it's challenging, but overarching, you know,
we're doing pretty well on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
What are you What do we learn things from about
the science of just new ways of generating energy and
things like that. Is that all part of the conversation
at cop as well.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I mean there's quite a lot of the conversation is
very much on energy, and I think that's why the
Prime Ministers allocated me the portfolio of Energy and Climate. Actually,
quite a lot of ministers there have both of those responsibilities,
including obviously Australia as our nearest neighbor, but yeah, a
lot of conversation in regards to uptake of renewable energy
(08:52):
in particular R and D, you know, particularly a lot
of interest in what New Zealand's doing around agri R
and D, not only just for emissions reduction but also
productivity increases and also you know, you know some of
the genetics work we're doing here around animals that can
operate at higher global temperatures because you know, parts of
(09:14):
the world are getting a lot warmer and you know
they need to have make sure that the animals are
able to survive in that state. Just the work we're
doing an R and D on agritech is very very
high profile for a lot of countries. And you know,
I had a good discussion with the Irish minister and
you know, both of us are pastoral farming based countries,
and you know we're already doing joint research on emissions
(09:37):
reduction from livestock as well, which is which is.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Really possive and from a science point of view, is
that really when where New Zealand has something of a
strength when it comes to bringing something to the table
at the COP thirty absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean that is our core, one of our core equities.
On top of the fact that we've got such a
high proportion of renewable electricity. The second element as countries
do look to US around solutions for the R and D,
around agritech, around both the mission instroduction but also productivity increases.
You know, food securities linked to energy security, which is
(10:12):
linked to national security. They're all part of a broader system.
And climate and the impacts of climate are a key
into plays on the economic sphere now and I think
that's New Zealand's seen that for a while. It's why
we treat climate changes in economic portfolio, not an environmental
and actually you're seeing now a large number of countries.
(10:35):
You know, Singapore was an early adopter of that model.
With US AlSi you're doing the same. It's very much
transitioning into the economic trade arena now because of the
implications it has on both of those topics.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean, just lastly, when we see headlines around climate change,
and you know a lot of the voices of doerm
and lerm and we hear about one point five percent
are not going to We're not going to keep a
cap on the temperatureisers and all sorts of things. What
do you what would you like New Zealanders to take
out of what you've brought home from cop Third, Well, first.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And foremost, I mean New Zealanders can be very very
proud of the way in which New Zealand is represented
on the global stage. Our negotiation teams, our officials, the
way in which we interact is highly regarded and we're
at the table and with all of the big players
in the big decisions, and that's critical. Secondly, just the
(11:28):
ability for New Zealand to have access to all of
the major global trading partners. As I said, I was
in front of all of the head ministers pretty much
on the first day in a bideat or one to
one capacity, and that doesn't happen. It happens because of
our reputation, and you know, we should be proud of that.
(11:49):
We also had a Rangataki group ee Mari group, which
had about twenty young people that was led by Marta
Royal from Nati fat Iraqi in Auckland. That was a
really really impressive group. It added a different lens to
New Zealand and they were doing a number of sessions
on the global stage over there and they did New
Zealand very proud as well. They represented us.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that more of a performative thing or what's that?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, they were just there sort of giving their insights
of young young New Zealanders with you, and you know
that's that's important. It provides a youth perspective and it's
the first time that New Zealand had done that as well.
It was it was sorted and arranged through all of
the different EWI and New Zealand, but they were part
(12:35):
of the broader New Zealand delegation and I met with
him when I was over there, and you know, I
had a lot of positive feedback also from other countries
actually that had seen them, so that was great.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Just lastly, what's what's your immediate priority in terms of
what's the challenge for New Zealand that we need to
work continue to be working on. As a matter of priority, we.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Need to increase the uptake of the agricultural technology that's
going to reduce submissions and increased productivity. That's a major
prior already for us. And the second thing is getting
this RMA legislation and that through the House and into law,
so that we can make it faster, cheaper and easier
to build more renewable energy. We've got our energy reforms
(13:17):
off the back of that as well, which is critical
and there's a lot of moving parts, but you know,
I think the foundations of the broader New Zealand economy
with the reform that we're doing, is going to put
us in a much more enduring, in solid basis as
we move forward. So you know, I'm really optimistic about
the next twelve dating months.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, Simon, thanks so much for your time, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to News
Talk Z'B weekends from three pm, or follow the podcast
on iHeartRadio
You're listening to the Weekend Collective podcast from News Talks.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I'd be right now. A deal, well not right now,
but a deal was reached at COP thirty this weekend,
boosting finance for poor nations coping with global warming, but
there was no mention of reducing fossil fuels. Eighty three
countries signed a roadmap map that would push for the
end of fossil fuels, but New Zealand was one of
the countries not to sign. The opposition spoken out saying
(00:30):
the move made us look foolish on the world stage. Anyway.
Recently back from the COP thirtiest, Climate Change Minister Simon
Watts and he is with us now. Simon, good afternoon,
Very good afternoon, Tim. Do you have a good time
at these things?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
No, well, you know you're exhausted and I've just got
back and I've definitely feeling pretty jet lagged. It's a
long way to Brazil from New Zealand. But look, the
reality is it's quality and you've got to go hard
and we did that. We spent a huge amount of time.
We've got a lot achieved and you know that's positive
(01:05):
for us. You've got to be at the table what's
what's it like with the sort.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Of I think I saw the figures around fifty six
thousand delegates registered to attend in person, and is there
any sort of I mean, you will have heard this,
the sense of irony about the fossil fuel burn just
to get everyone there.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Oh, look, there there's a huge amount of people. But
then again it's one hundred and ninety four countries, so
you know, NGO participants, there's business, there's you know, all
parts of local community as well there. I mean, don't
forget Brazil's a pretty big country with plus two hundred
million people, so you know, it was a well organized
(01:45):
event in the main, with the exception of the little
incident at the end with the fire, but other than that,
you know, it was went pretty slip.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, New Zealand did win an award, didn't we What
do we get Fossil of the Day. How did you
feel about that?
Speaker 3 (01:57):
Well, we're not the only ones, I think Canada, Switzerland
and a few others we've had. I mean we've had
a few as well in the but look, the reality
is it's one of those parts of the conferences by
no means the focal point. We were there to make
sure that we supported Australia on their bid for next year,
and I did a large number of bilaterals UK EU,
(02:21):
you know, Australia, Singapore, I did some deals with Indonesia
on geothermal and also Iceland as well, so you know,
positive trade conversations as well.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
So what's an example you mentioned the GFM will deal
with Iceland. What does that actually look like?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
So basically it's an agreement for us to cooperate. Obviously
we have significant areas of interest in regards to that
energy source. New Zealand's gone from ten percent of our
electricity grid to twenty percent. You know, we're doing a
lot of work around super critical and the same with
Iceland as well at the moment, so we're sharing technical
knowledge and background. We're probably considered the two countries in
(02:58):
the world with the most amount of experience in that space,
so it's really important strategically that we are sharing. You know,
I had a good opportunity to catch up with her
there Climate and Energy Minister the same role as me there,
and you know we did some made some good progress
in terms of our relationship.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
As most of the talk about climate change, I mean,
is it going to be about adaptation now as mitigation
and reducing fossil fuels. Is that just something that sort
of raises its head and never gets taken particularly seriously
because we all love our fossil fuels and rely on them.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I think the reality is, and you're seeing that back
home here in New Zealand, is you know, the focus
is very much or an adaptation because that's what people
understand easily. When we impact to the floods that we've
had and all those weather events the last years, people
understand the impacts of that and they want to understand
what the plan is to make sure that the infrastructure
is resilient to deal with that. So you're seeing that
(03:54):
play through globally as well. And the agreement in terms
of increasing funding for adaptation was one of the most
significant takeaway decisions from this cop You know, New Zealand's
already doing that and actually, you know Adaptation Framework released
in the last month. We're i think one of the
only countries in the world to have put that in place,
(04:14):
that were putting that in place. So you know, we
were getting some pretty good feedback from countries in regards
to what we're doing in adaptation. But you know, the
world is seen. That is the area where a lot
of focus is required.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
What was your main goal in attending this?
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Main goal first and foremost was to support the Australia
bid for COP thirty one along with a Pacific and
secondly to make sure that I was building and strengthening
relationships with our key trading partners and countries. So as
I said, I met UK, EU, Singapore, Indonesia, Australia, Ireland, China.
I met with all of their ministers and the heads
(04:52):
of delegation. Also caught up with California in terms of
their Agri minister and the Secretary General of the UN
as well, So it's a meeting with three other ministers,
myself with him. We did all that in about forty
eight hours on the ground, so pretty high output in
terms of bilateral engagement, which is good for New Zealanding. Again,
(05:15):
if you're not at the table, you're not at the venue,
then you're not able to have those interactions. And New
Zealand's considered in high regard by all of the countries
that we interact with.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
So one expert said that cooperation has been effectively newted
by the Petro States. I mean, is there a. Do
you believe that the COP process is capable of delivering
meaningful change as long as those petro states are just
not really playing more.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
I do believe it is because you know, there's a
lot of challenge in the whole multilateral rule based system
at the moment. We know that, particularly in the trades here.
But you know what the COP conference was able to
achieve in regards to agreement around adaptation is positive. To
get agreement for one hundred and ninety four countries, let's
(06:03):
be fair, is pretty challenging and difficult. I mean, most
families don't even organize and agree on some things, right,
So you know, I think in reality that when you
apply that view. But you know, I think what was
positive is the Pacific Island nations and I met with them.
You know, we were right next to you to each other,
(06:23):
and we met with them a number of times. You know,
we're working as a team Australia, New Zealand and the
Pacific Islands. We sort of operate as a broader grouping
you know, in sixteen countries in total, and you know,
we make sure that our voice is heard on issues
and that's important. You know, we've got to stick together
in our part of the world.
Speaker 2 (06:40):
Experts say that New Zealand's nationally Determined contribution is not
science aligned and won't help hit one and a half degrees.
Do you accept that and what comment would you have
on that?
Speaker 3 (06:51):
No, I don't. I mean now, in DC, New Zealand
was one of I think we're the eighth country in
the world to publish our nationally Determined Contribution, which is
basically our target. As it of twenty thirty five, they're
still over one hundred countries in the world that have
not even published a target yet. So you know, we
were there at the start. We set an ambitious goal
(07:14):
and as I say, it's a pathway, that's a milestone
on the way to twenty fifty. But we've had to
look at it and go, you know, is it appropriate
for our unique circumstances in New Zealand. And I think
people have to understand that New Zealand is different to
other countries, particularly with our agriculture and export base. You know,
when I was talking other ministers around the world about
methane and other things, no one was giving me stick
(07:37):
for what I get back home about methane because they
understand that, you know, well, for first and foremost, I said, well,
we were ninety eight percent renewable electricity in the month
of October on average, and they sort of nearly fall
off their chair with that. You know, we've got a
lot of positives going for our country, and also the
agricultural part. You know, they understand leakage. If we don't
(08:01):
produce the food, it's going to go somewhere else with
a higher emissions profile. That's not positive for the broader
globe either. So you know, we're pretty proud. We're going
to be proud of what we're doing here in New Zealand.
We're making some good progress and yeah we need to
do a bit more and it's challenging, but overarching, you know,
we're doing pretty well on the world stage.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
What are you What do we learn things from about
the science of just new ways of generating energy and
things like that. Is that all part of the conversation
at cop as well.
Speaker 3 (08:30):
I mean there's quite a lot of the conversation is
very much on energy, and I think that's why the
Prime Ministers allocated me the portfolio of Energy and Climate. Actually,
quite a lot of ministers there have both of those responsibilities,
including obviously Australia as our nearest neighbor, but yeah, a
lot of conversation in regards to uptake of renewable energy
(08:52):
in particular R and D, you know, particularly a lot
of interest in what New Zealand's doing around agri R
and D, not only just for emissions reduction but also
productivity increases and also you know, you know some of
the genetics work we're doing here around animals that can
operate at higher global temperatures because you know, parts of
(09:14):
the world are getting a lot warmer and you know
they need to have make sure that the animals are
able to survive in that state. Just the work we're
doing an R and D on agritech is very very
high profile for a lot of countries. And you know,
I had a good discussion with the Irish minister and
you know, both of us are pastoral farming based countries,
and you know we're already doing joint research on emissions
(09:37):
reduction from livestock as well, which is which is.
Speaker 2 (09:40):
Really possive and from a science point of view, is
that really when where New Zealand has something of a
strength when it comes to bringing something to the table
at the COP thirty absolutely.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I mean that is our core, one of our core equities.
On top of the fact that we've got such a
high proportion of renewable electricity. The second element as countries
do look to US around solutions for the R and D,
around agritech, around both the mission instroduction but also productivity increases.
You know, food securities linked to energy security, which is
(10:12):
linked to national security. They're all part of a broader system.
And climate and the impacts of climate are a key
into plays on the economic sphere now and I think
that's New Zealand's seen that for a while. It's why
we treat climate changes in economic portfolio, not an environmental
and actually you're seeing now a large number of countries.
(10:35):
You know, Singapore was an early adopter of that model.
With US AlSi you're doing the same. It's very much
transitioning into the economic trade arena now because of the
implications it has on both of those topics.
Speaker 2 (10:48):
I mean, just lastly, when we see headlines around climate change,
and you know a lot of the voices of doerm
and lerm and we hear about one point five percent
are not going to We're not going to keep a
cap on the temperatureisers and all sorts of things. What
do you what would you like New Zealanders to take
out of what you've brought home from cop Third, Well, first.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
And foremost, I mean New Zealanders can be very very
proud of the way in which New Zealand is represented
on the global stage. Our negotiation teams, our officials, the
way in which we interact is highly regarded and we're
at the table and with all of the big players
in the big decisions, and that's critical. Secondly, just the
(11:28):
ability for New Zealand to have access to all of
the major global trading partners. As I said, I was
in front of all of the head ministers pretty much
on the first day in a bideat or one to
one capacity, and that doesn't happen. It happens because of
our reputation, and you know, we should be proud of that.
(11:49):
We also had a Rangataki group ee Mari group, which
had about twenty young people that was led by Marta
Royal from Nati fat Iraqi in Auckland. That was a
really really impressive group. It added a different lens to
New Zealand and they were doing a number of sessions
on the global stage over there and they did New
Zealand very proud as well. They represented us.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is that more of a performative thing or what's that?
Speaker 3 (12:13):
No, they were just there sort of giving their insights
of young young New Zealanders with you, and you know
that's that's important. It provides a youth perspective and it's
the first time that New Zealand had done that as well.
It was it was sorted and arranged through all of
the different EWI and New Zealand, but they were part
(12:35):
of the broader New Zealand delegation and I met with
him when I was over there, and you know, I
had a lot of positive feedback also from other countries
actually that had seen them, so that was great.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Just lastly, what's what's your immediate priority in terms of
what's the challenge for New Zealand that we need to
work continue to be working on. As a matter of priority, we.
Speaker 3 (12:56):
Need to increase the uptake of the agricultural technology that's
going to reduce submissions and increased productivity. That's a major
prior already for us. And the second thing is getting
this RMA legislation and that through the House and into law,
so that we can make it faster, cheaper and easier
to build more renewable energy. We've got our energy reforms
(13:17):
off the back of that as well, which is critical
and there's a lot of moving parts, but you know,
I think the foundations of the broader New Zealand economy
with the reform that we're doing, is going to put
us in a much more enduring, in solid basis as
we move forward. So you know, I'm really optimistic about
the next twelve dating months.
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Okay, Simon, thanks so much for your time, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
For more from the Weekend Collective, listen live to News
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