Firing a coach 79 games into the season is totally normal, right? - Featuring Dan Favale

Mort & Dan Favale react to the Denver Nuggets firing Mike Malone - and Calvin Booth - 79 games into the season which, uh, what the heck?!

Odds via FanDuel Sportsbook

https://www.fanduel.com/research/ncaab

Use the promo code "buzzer50" for big discounts at HelloFresh.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up, Fellowsikos, I am the prophetic Dan fa
Valley coming at you with the equally prophetic mort Jensen
of NBA podcast fame, of Yahoo Sports, Fame, of Forbes fame,
and of onlyfan celebrity here to record an emergency podcast.
We're publishing it a day later because as certified profits,

(00:22):
we don't need to care about the timing of the
news cycle, because whatever we say will manifest into reality anyway.
We're gonna talk about the Denver Nuggets firing head coach
Michael Malone and Calvin Booth while allowing the details to
trickle out like the protections on a draft pick, where
you did not know that both of them were going
to be fired at once for at least a few

(00:42):
minutes before we dive in here more, since we last
talked like five seconds ago, and when we talked, we
were discussing NBA coaches on the hot seat.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
How are you feeling?

Speaker 3 (00:53):
So coincidentally not related to these bit of news. In
the very very short time span since we last spoke,
I have become sick as heck. That is just typical me.
I see the sun is out, I see it's shining,
and I'm like not looking at the temperature. So I'm
walking around in shorts and T shirts going oh yeah, baby,
like I'm fat. Anyway, it'll absorb, I'll be warm regardless.

(01:18):
And then Nate mother nature is gonna bitch slap me
and go, what the fuck were you thinking about? Your idiot?
And that means probably for the next two weeks, I'm
gonna be a shadow of myself. But outside of that, sir,
I'm doing well.

Speaker 2 (01:30):
How about yourself, I'm doing well too.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Both of us, unlike Michael Malone and Kvin Booth at
this point, are employed. They might either bank accounts might
read different statements.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
Here.

Speaker 2 (01:39):
Look, let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
This is they have three games left in the season
and a fired Michael alone.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
That was the first detail to come out, by.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
The way, Yeah, and then the Calvin Booth news dropped
and Calvin Booth was on an expiring contract, per reporting
from the Athletic. On the heels of this, there was
an extension on the table and then the cron keys
removed it, like previously over the offseason. That seems a
little tell tale. We've had noise on the record, off
the record that the locker room vibes have not been great,

(02:10):
and it seems like things reach their innadear after that
loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves, like a week and whatever ago.
At this point where the Nuggets win probability was pretty high,
and then Russell Westbrook happens essentially towards the end of
that game. This is just before we got to tackle
this one by one, and so we'll get into Michael
Malone first, but just your immediate reaction to the timing

(02:32):
of both of the like, this is a you're cleaning
house here. There's some other front office members that have
been fired, a lot of the assistant coaching staff. I
believe the Nuggets is on expiring contract. This feels like
it's set in the stage for just wholesale, like, let's
gut at least the management structure of this team.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
No, yeah, you said, this is a cleaning house protocol, right,
Like what was that command that iron Man said in
the movie? Right, was that housekeeping or something along those lines,
Maybe a protocols that would lanth slate something along those lines.
That's whatever he said. That's what the Denver Nugets said today,

(03:14):
three games before the end of the regular season. So
to answer your question, I was absolutely blown away. Well,
first and foremost, I started laughing because you and I
had literally just recorded about this, and you, being the
prophet that you are, called this. I was. I was
the hesitant guy, like you're so kind to call me
a fellow prophet. I am certainly not. I was like, Dan,

(03:34):
come on, that's ridiculous, Like you are the prophet here, sir,
and and like so obviously I DMed you immediately, and
I think I quote quoted like the link to the
pod and said this is timely so and after like
the self promotion because I'm shameless, then I started getting

(03:54):
into like the analysis of it all, and it was
just like what, like how? And I have so many
questions stan One, did they get Nicola Jokic sign off?
That's probably the first question I have, Like, that's the
one I need to know. Did they go to Nicola
Jokic and say, so, we're thinking about blowing everything sky

(04:14):
high three to game three games before we get into
the playoffs? You cool with that? Man? I want to
know if that happened.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
My guess would be maybe with Calvin Booth it happens.
But if you're gonna because the Michael Malone part of
This is more fascinating to me just because it feels
like he's more public facing than Calvin Booth, just as
the head coach, like his shots through the media are
just like you have more access or impressions of his demeanor.
It's clear that the relationship between him and Calvin Booth
was not good. Maybe maybe ever at this point. But

(04:46):
if you're firing Michael Malone and you did not go
to Nicola Jokic, that's malpractice as ownership because you know
that unless something has changed, Malone Jokis have a really
good relationship. And just because Jokic is among the lowest
maintenance superstars, that doesn't mean that you get to keep
him in the dark for something like that, or is
your plan then to trade him? That might be something

(05:06):
that will have to get into later. But I found even.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
If you this is this is where I've diverged.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
I was listening to some just reactions in the lead
up to US recording where it's this is the Nuggets
admitting that they needed to clean house, and they decided
why wait, like you're in the Nikola Jokic window, you
need to maximize it. Why wait, Like okay, well, then
you make this decision last offseason. Yeah, you don't make
it now with three Like, what is so Adamman comes
in and you're putting him in Yo, Okay, he's been

(05:32):
with the team, but like, what are you gonna You're
not op the first of all press releases post transaction
trade firing. Press releases in the NBA are even more
useless than the two minute reports. They tell us nothing
and they're just these cookie cutter like vacuous statements, and
this one was no different. We're it's just like, this
is gonna put us in the best position possibly when

(05:52):
the twenty twenty five NBA title. How how so this
is this is a decision you should the Calvin Booth
of it all I can get because the draft process,
the free agency process, that stuff is already underway. But
you changing the head coach three games before the playoffs?
Are you just sitting here saying, well, we weren't gonna
make it out of the first round anyway, and so

(06:13):
we're just gonna make this change now. In which case, again,
why what is Adaman going to do over the course
of the next what ten games?

Speaker 2 (06:21):
If you give him a.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Playoff series to say, oh, like yeah, he's like we
needed this ample size to prove that he was the guy.
That's why I don't The only thing that I can
come back to is Michael Malone lost the locker room,
completely lost it. And maybe Yokic is included. Now if Yokich,
I would push back against that and say, even if
it is, Yokic is included more. This is not something
that happens over the past week and a half. This

(06:43):
this sort of marinates all season, and so why was
it this clearly it was on the table because you
don't make it they I mean, they said in that
statement that they didn't take this lightly.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
The time from it.

Speaker 1 (06:55):
Though for Michael Malone specifically, I think is indefensible. This
is either a call that should have been made last offseason,
at worst earlier this season, or at this point like
just wait, like that's just it makes it because you're
not going to learn this. I cannot stress enough that
I don't think that this increases the Nuggets odds of

(07:15):
winning a title, even in Iota.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Yep, oh, I agree? What what? What? What was the
word they used that they were hoping this would create
like a jolt within the team, which sure, okay, guys,
that's this to me, just seems like a bunch of
rich people thinking, oh, we know best without having really
the necessary insight and understanding team construction, team cohesion personalities,

(07:40):
Like how important it is to actually have like a
rhythm and and a route with certain play with certain
between certain people. Yeah, like Mike might have lost the
locker room. But is that something that's only becoming apparent
to you now threegons the end of the regular season, right,
I Mean, it's just like there's there's no excuse where

(08:01):
I'm sitting there thinking, oh yeah, like I buy that,
there's just none of it. Like I again, I don't
know if like I'm being a bit of a drama
queen on this one, but like when I saw you
got fired, my first thought was, oh wow, front office
is like just crazy. Then when I saw Calvin Booth
be getting fired, I was like we were their fisty

(08:24):
cuffs involved? Did did someone throw hands? Like that was
the first thought I had.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
Were they kind of in the Josh Cronky's office and
neither one of them would take blame for Russell Westbrook
or something? And there it's like it's kind of a
step brother situation where like they're they're bickering, and Kronky's like, okay,
we've had enough.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't maybe something like that comes out.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
I don't you think we could try and understand what
they're doing, or we could even just destroy them for
doing this. Now there has to be like something else
that not even the most insidery insiders know for this
to be the impetus now right, it has to be.

Speaker 3 (09:01):
I mean again, maybe not like you.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Know, let's destroy let's destroy them accordingly.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
Then if that's well, see, the thing is, it's I
think we just have to come to terms with the
fact that billionaire owners they live in a different sphere
of life than we do. They think differently, and not
that's not meant us a compliment whatsoever, quite the opposite.
I think they tend to look at things like, oh,
we can make a change, it's fine. Is it a

(09:28):
little bit like untraditional, unorthodox of this dage? Sure, but
we'll be fine. Let me have more whatever rich people eat.
I don't give a fuck, Like.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's it seems like it's in case you were just.

Speaker 3 (09:41):
Right, but like it's just it's nuts to do this,
Like it's just nuts. It shows that ownership does not
understand the emotional strings of a basketball team, which is
wild considering this team you actually won a championship, no,
not even two years ago. So like for ownership to

(10:03):
just kind of make this decision because they felt like
it at this stage, I mean, that's that is so dumb,
and that is so ridiculous. Like unless there's something that
directly happened within the last what twenty four hours, it's
completely unjustifiable. Like even if you'd lost the locker room,
you would have known and you would have fired him earlier.

(10:25):
And even if you lost the rocker room recently, you
just kind of say, look, we have to follow through
for the rest of the season. Because think about this too.
What type of signal does this send to coaches around
the league or outside of the league, who will like,
for this job? Oh ever the job?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Yeah, I put that Honestly, I don't know that it
sends any different type of signal than we've seen.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
I kind of laughed when CJ.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
McCollum talked about the dirty work of these coaches of
successful teams getting fired, and I was like, hey, buddy,
who helped negotiate the CBA Like it's created, like it's
laid the groundwork I think for this impulsivity.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
I'm not saying that CJ.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
McCollum is directly at fault for this, but this is
of course you are.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Of course you are you hating on CJ. You are
going up against theiation.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
I disagree that the players made out well in this
at all, Like I just don't. I think I think
it obliterated or it really hurt the middle class and lower.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Of that player.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I think so typical, like that's just like that's just
pretty a typical society. But I do think it created
this teams look at their franchises as like, look at
what Nico Harrison said after.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
The Donche trade. We're thinking long term, like the next
three years.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Right, that's sad that that like it's the death of
longfoot where it's long form content. Now it's not this,
it's it's anything that's over sixty seconds. And that's what
this sort of feels like with the NBA is because
these teams, whether it's true or not, they don't want
to like continuity almost becomes prohibitive because if you're good,
your team gets so expensive and let's say you're willing

(11:57):
to foot those expenses. The team building restrictions, and even
I look, I'm not I didn't understand the full consequences.
I killed the Nuggets for ducking the being afraid of
the second apron with KCP. But you in retrospect you
kind of look at it and the restrictions that even
if you think KCP would have been better here than
in Orlando, which by the way, is pretty much just
the fact you have to look at they wouldn't have

(12:19):
been able to do anything. But then you go back to,
well the Nuggets they did what with that flexibility, Like
they brought in dari Osharich, Awesome, How's that working out
for them? So but this is all to say that
I don't know, Yeah, this is this isn't a sign
of a of a team I guess now I can't
have called a front office since they just gutted it,
but of a team that has its stuff together. At

(12:40):
the same time, this does feel more normal than it
ever should, like the you know, I'm caught off guard
by it's similar with the Jenkins higher but kind of
look at the past six championship head coaches and like
it's really the past five because Joe Mizzoola just won it.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
But Nick nurse.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Okay, he lasts a few more season after twenty nineteen,
he ends up leaving I think it twenty twenty three.
Then you go to Frank Vogel's fired less than two
years later. Michael Malone didn't even make it a full
three seasons after that, Mike Buttenholzer did make it a
full three seasons after that. Steve Kerr still with the Warriors.
But like this is becoming sort of the turnover of
head coaches. It's always sort of existed, but it feels

(13:18):
like the bar for job security or time and space
even just to figure things out is higher than ever.
And I think that in part is a direct byproduct
of teams that are already good and already have had
to reinvest and trade in players, then traded their draft
most of their draft picks. This is the change that

(13:39):
you would always make, but now you're I don't even
know if your incentive incentivized might be the wrong word,
where you just compelled to act more brashly. I agree
with what you said about this feels like being out
of touch with team building, the coaching things specifically, but
it's also just is this just going to be a
symptom of how the CBA is structured and how these
teams are ultimately viewing the length of their windows.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
If that is going to be the new new I'll
tell you the teams that are going to have staying
power and like going to be perennial contenders. It's going
to be the teams that has that have a little
bit ice in their stomachs, just in terms of like, yeah,
we can we can go through a rough patch without
having to get divorced by the way, or.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
But at least fire your head coach before the new year,
like a proper organization such as the Sacramento Kings.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
Kudos to them for.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Just being being the They didn't they didn't do it
face to face, but you know what, the timing of
it banner banner stuff from them compared to Memphis.

Speaker 3 (14:36):
There's an interesting tipbit from an article over at The
Athletic by Tony Jones, Sam Amic and Sack Powell. Apparently
Jalen Pickett is a good example of why this whole
thing went wrong. I'm just gonna read this excerpt. Malone
and Booth had been at odds over everything from roster

(14:58):
construction to the way players were used to creating tension
that started to bleed into the rest of the organization.
Booth wanted Malone to use younger players that he drafted,
and wanted Malone to stray away from using veterans for
so many minutes. Jalen Pickett is a good example of this.
According to league sources, Booth was dismayed that Malone went
with Russell Westbrook over Picket down the stretch of multiple

(15:19):
games last week. On a macro level, Booth and Malone
disagreed on several things. So there we have it.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Dan Jalen Pickett, Jalen Pickett, of all people, it's the
reason that both guys are out of the organization.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I just know who it was. Picket Cronky's pick.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Is is Josh Cronky out here just masturbating the Jalen
Pickett set. I just I don't understand, Like, how is
that that there's as an example of some of the
disconnect that clearly existed, where Malone was more reluctant to
give latitude to the young players. I don't know why
Jalen Pickett is the example. I think Peyton Watson would

(16:02):
be a more especially you're dating back to last season.
That would be a more appropriate example, maybe even Julian Strawther.
I know he's dealt with some injuries since entering the league.
It's like, I kind of reject the idea that this
is all on Michael Malone, like, oh, we had to
take Justin the Justin Holiday Club out of his bag
so that he would play Peyton Watson. This he's that's
part of the reason why KCP is gone, so he

(16:23):
would lean on the youngsters, like that's your coaches are
Unless you're telling him he has job security. His job
is then to win. I know they're in a slump,
but like, winning fifty games isn't even gonna change that.
Apparently contending for a top whatever spot in the West
isn't gonna change that. I don't like, do you think
that this could at all be like because both of

(16:44):
them are gone, do you think that there's a chance
that maybe the timing is all off? But ownership is
right in saying that we do need this blank slate,
and it's to have a front office and a head
coach that are on the same page. And yes, you
could have just let Calvin Booth make the next higher
but if you don't trust him because of how he's
set up your roster, which, by the way, I would

(17:04):
probably argue that came not with the blessing of but
at the mandate of ownership as a deal, Like I
just if you would have told me, yeah, you could pay,
you could pay KCP I whatever.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
I feel like he would.

Speaker 1 (17:17):
I don't think he was trying to be the smartest
person in the room, like, no, I'm gonna feel the
cheaper team and we're gonna be better somehow, because I
mean maybe, but that's a special kind of ignorance that
I feel like is reserved for the front office in Dallas.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
At this point or something.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
I don't The situation is just so it's so bizarre
and it's this is just like I don't I don't
know how you properly spin it.

Speaker 3 (17:40):
Right, you know what happened three games ago, by the way,
which I'm guessing would have led to a lot of
internal conversations. Jalen Pikett had a triple double on nailed
three triples. I'm guessing that that acted as a catalyst
for Booth to like, look, look, this is the guy
he needs to play. Look at what this production level is.

(18:01):
He's younger, he can do the same as Russ. I
could just see that manifesting because people are in this
business are petty as fuck. They want to keep their guy,
They want to make sure that everybody knows this is
their guy anyway too. That's just me trying to go
back a couple of days and seeing where all this
came from. I think it went to a head. I
think this went ugly. I agree with you on every

(18:22):
level of this, Like I do think to answer your question, yes,
the Nuggets are better off, basically saying, look, fresh slate
both are gone. There aren't anything that Like let's say
Mark Malone lost the locker room for whatever reason. Sure, okay, cool,
Like then you can't stick with him, like probably should
have done it at the end of the season or

(18:43):
earlier this season. But that is what it is. If
you don't don't trust the roster construction of Calvin Booth,
if you think that his nose for talent or whatever
you want to call it isn't high enough to the
level of the franchise. Sure, but the timing of adult
just sends such a bleak picture of how ownership operates
to the point where I'm like, do you understand what

(19:03):
it takes to run a franchise, like should you be
fired too? That's That's where I'm at. But I do
think overall, yes, it would behoove them to have a
managerial team and a coaching staff where everyone's on the
same page. Obviously, Like find me a situation where that
isn't beneficial. So what's the next step though, That's what

(19:27):
I want to know, Like, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Can I just asked, like how much?

Speaker 1 (19:32):
When you're kind of trying to assess the blame game here,
who do you feel is more responsible for Denver's current predicament?
Is it Michael Malone or is it Calvin Booth?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Booth Booth absolutely Booth from my perspective, because here's the thing,
you know, he and when when you well, let me
phrase it in the best possible way here, if you
cannot recognize the relationship that's in place between Mike Malone
and Nicola Jokicic, as we've heard about so many times before,

(20:05):
if you cannot also realize that Malone is a tremendous
head coach and you are trying to like force him
into a corner with your specific vision in mind, and
you're not playing ball, and let's let's be real about
this communication between the two, as has been reported numerous
times over was broken like there was there was no

(20:27):
level of communication. Then I also questioned your abilities as
a leader, like a general manager is the one who
has to be the mister personality. He has to be
the one to get anyone on the same page. He
has to be the one to talk to ownership, convince ownership.
This is the path to convince your coach this is
the right path, or find a plan in you know,

(20:49):
in cohesion with the coach and with the with the
ownership level. Calvin Booth clearly failed to do so. And
given that we know Mike Malone's track record as a
coach is much better than Calvin Booth's track record as
a GM, I'm just inclined to say, look, I want
to stick with Mike Malone over Calvin Booth every day
of the week.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
I just and you know what I hate about this too,
is now it kind of puts us in this weird
position where we're already looking ahead for the Nuggets when
this is a season that's still going on. And yes,
we talked about head coaching hot seats the other day,
but that was in the context of with the teams
that were headed to the playoffs, it's well, unless they
go deep in the playoffs, like this will be a
topic of discussion. And now it's doesn't like it doesn't

(21:33):
matter what happens. They could win the title, they're still
gonna go out and need to hire a head coach.
Maybe it's David Adaman at that point if he leads
them to a title, or and then of course you're
always gonna need to like put together a new front
office structure. And we have kind of proof of con
by the way, it's funny the timing of this, with
Tim Connelly having the executive's option in Minnesota, we have

(21:54):
proof that.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
The kron Keys have never they've paid their players.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
I would say that they've you can give them credit for,
but they've never really seemed willing to pay their execs.
And so I'm not saying they go after Tim Connolly.
It's just funny that he could technically be a free
agent when their front office is vacant.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
I I just hate that.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
It's I don't know what to make of the rest
of this season then, and like, of course, part of
that is do you do you think there's anything to
the idea and I don't even know if this has
been mentioned, but Michael Malone came out and said, like, yeah,
we're hoping.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
That Jamal Murray will be ready for the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
And if you're now finding out or you think that
Jamal Murray's not gonna be ready for the playoffs, is
gonna be right for the playoffs?

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Is that why you then decide to do this well
this season?

Speaker 1 (22:33):
Yeah, Jokic is great, but you're not gonna be you know, Okay,
see the Lakers, the Warriors. You're not gonna be in
a combination of these teams if you don't have your
second most important player.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
Oh, that would be a horrible perspective to have when
arguably the best center of all time is having a
career year.

Speaker 2 (22:50):
I'm not agree with it. I'm just like, does that
factoring do it at all?

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Like not, No, Calvin Booth and Michael Owon are not
responsible for Jamal Murray's health, But like, are they looking
at well this because I feel like to make this change.
You can't, honestly but maybe I'm underestimating the ignorance of ownership,
but you can't honestly think that just that the upheaval
is gonna light a fire.

Speaker 3 (23:12):
You've already First of all, where's theer can if you're
a billionaire, you absolutely can't.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
What is the thinking being?

Speaker 3 (23:19):
What that is?

Speaker 1 (23:21):
It just shocked to look.

Speaker 3 (23:22):
Look, okay, look right now, all.

Speaker 2 (23:24):
These guys are already paid.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
It's like Christian Brown and Peyton Watson are trying to
get who who, like Gordon Jokic Murray even like those
guys have been paid, Who's who's asked?

Speaker 2 (23:33):
Are you lighting a fire?

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Under Look, I'm not saying it makes sense, but you
live in you live in the United States. Your country
right now is being run by billionaires. How well is
that going?

Speaker 2 (23:44):
Well?

Speaker 3 (23:45):
I mean no, no, I'm saying, are those logical like
decisions being made for the most part by billionaires or
are billionaires living their own little fancisy world thinking oh yeah,
if I only push this button this ap and C
is gonna happen, It's gonna be great. I don't think
ownership are in any way smart enough to comprehend the

(24:07):
complex emotional systems that is required. Like throw a basketball
team from top to bottom. Being that like general manager,
coaching staff, like front office coaching staff, players, player personnel,
whatever like that is a very complicated web of relationships,
of routines, of status, of everything that has to be managed.

(24:31):
I don't think ownership. I don't think billionaires think of
those things like that at all. I don't think they
understand fully what that comprehends. Like with the exception of
Mark Cuban, perhaps because he was around all the freaking time,
like he might be the one of the exceptions, or
used to be one of the exceptions, he's no longer around.
For you know, owners who have other interests where their

(24:55):
field of business lies elsewhere or for in the Premier League,
maybe that that too, Like they have a lot of franchises,
they they can't dedicate themselves entirely to the Nuggets. So
I just I think this could easily be billionaire fuck up. Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't want to frame it like this, but I don't, like,
I don't know what it changes we're expecting to see
from the Nuggets for the rest of the season.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
Oh, the jolt, Dan the jilt apparently, so.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
If they don't make it to the conference finals, then
do you have to trade Nicole Jokic because the jolt
there's like accept the jolt like jolt.

Speaker 3 (25:31):
I love your segue I love your segue on that one,
because Mark Jones of ESPN said something. He said something interesting. Uh,
he said, I cut win of this last night. I
believe it now Joker is extension eligible. I'll leave that
right there to marinate. I would like to interject on
two fronts here. YEA, the details of his contract.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
He has three years and one hundred and every three
point two million dollars remaining. There's a player option on
that final season. He can decline the player option and
sign a three year, two hundred and twelve million dollar
extension this summer.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
That's the background. Now my second point for throwing a
back at you.

Speaker 1 (26:07):
Yes, I'm trying to read between the lines on what
the Mark joneskee is saying. I still don't know what
it's saying. It's no hard are you trying to, like
from the different angles would be? Are they not planning
on extending him? Was he not planning on something? By
the way, he might not sign the extension because it
just let another year trickle out. Sign a longer extension,

(26:29):
you know, in the summer of twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Is I just what is this? He'll leave it, He'll
leave it there.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I look, Mark Jones a trustworthy source and no, by
the way, if this was any other team right, probably
literally there's you could count on one hand the number
of superstars where something like this would happen and the
immediate reaction wouldn't have been let's go through the Nicole
Jokis trade destinations.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
Is probably Jokic and Curry And that's what it like.
I so, I like, what are what do you make
of this?

Speaker 3 (26:57):
So I look regardless of what he means, just in
whether he means, oh, the Nuggets won't want to pay him,
like the Supermax, like the similar situation as in Dallas
with Luca, or if he means that Jokich you know,
will be who will be extendsion eligible this summer looks
at this whole thing and goes, you know what f this,
I'm out of here as soon as possible that I'm

(27:20):
not gonna comment on either or, but both scenarios would
lead to him being out the door, like and that's
what's interesting to this, Like, are we looking at a
situation now where Nikola jokicch might look at in the
future where he's not wearing eight Denver Nuggets uniform for
the rest of his career. And I'm just going to

(27:42):
add some fuel to this fire by saying both he
and Luka Doncic can be free agents at the same
time in twenty twenty seven, just putting that out there.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Look, you're gonna have to make me believe that free
agency becomes cool again for that to ever be, because
as of right now, the Lakers at like the could
they have cap space for Jokic? Sure, they're not going
to have the trade assets for Jokic. Like if and
I would ask, what do you think is more likely
that Jokic would ask for out leaving free agency, or

(28:17):
the front office would I'm sorry, the ownership the team
would take it upon themselves to hey, we're setting the stage.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
For a rebuild here.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
Actually, like, what of those three scenarios, what do you
think is most would be most likely?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
So I don't think Jokic is a guy who like
complains like, don't don't mistake this as him not being interested,
like he will let people know his opinion. But I
don't see him as a trade meet type of guy.
I never had, not.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Kobe Bryant rec like threatening to leave every other year.

Speaker 3 (28:47):
Right exactly like I and I don't think that changes
now either, Like, look, we can also ask some pretty
big questions about Dallas. Even though they got better and
they just went to the finals, there were some pretty
big questions like down the line, Cary was getting older
with Jason Kidd the right head coach. But you've never
heard anything from Luca. I will say a lot of
Europeans are just wired differently that way, where it's not

(29:09):
like get me out of here, like some will go
into that, like Evan Fournier has requested trades beforehand.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
But you know.

Speaker 3 (29:18):
Gark mass too every single year. Yes, he really leaned
into like his American newfound life of living over there. Absolutely,
But like Jokic and Luca, I don't think are that
type of player or that type of person. I don't
think they look at it as oh, free agency is dead,

(29:38):
so let's use a different way to get together. No,
I think they'll just talk and like do the stars align?
The stars align? Cool, let's do it, Like I think
it's that. So to answer your question, I think ownership
thinking hey we might be able to get sounds preposterous,
but like you can probably get like a couple of
good young players and like ten drafts fix for for

(30:01):
Jokics at this point, like, oh my god, I'm just
thinking what's interesting under the thunder could make one hell
of a trade offer this summer.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
My whole thing is so, But I do think you're
right where this doesn't feel. I mean, if you wind
up pushing Jokics to a point where he wants to leave,
whether it's in free agency, he requests a trade, I
hope Nuggets fans storm the castle and give the cron
Keys atomic wedgies, because this is just like, that's this
is not someone who is people mistaken for him not
caring about basketball.

Speaker 2 (30:32):
That's not the case.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
It's just he's low like him and Steph Curry or
just I mean even Shake Gildess Alexander is just like
like this is these are just not stars that you've
ever questioned whether they want to be where they are,
and so I like to do something like this. That's
why I assume they have to have at least let
him know. But it's also why I keep coming back to, like,

(30:53):
are they kind of gearing up to like do this themselves?

Speaker 3 (30:56):
Like that?

Speaker 1 (30:56):
So my answer to my own question was, it feels
more likely that this Denver ownership would take it upon
themselves to hey, we want to start over for some reason,
and I like that seems unfathomable, but so does the
logic that firing your head coach and general manager with
three games remaining in the regular season is going to

(31:16):
give you a jolt that'll help you in the playoffs.
And so it's sort of It's not on the same
level as the Lucas stuff, to be clear, but it's
it kind of reinforces the I guess anything as possible mindset,
because it would actually be insane to think that you
need to rebuild. I know, Jokic is in his thirties,
it would be actually in this is someone who's been

(31:37):
ultra durable, plays a style that should age just fine.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Is the best basketball player in the world right now.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
I just man, And they could say this is done
in service of that, and I just I call it
bullshit because if it was done in service from Nicole Jokic,
it would have been done sooner, at like, at a
more opportune time, or at least in a more decisive fashion.
And so your solution, you know, well, let's let this
broken dynamic fester for seventy nine plus games.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
And it's like, now, we're gonna step in, and it's like,
were you not aware?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
Were they so not aware of what's happening that the
Kronkey's only just learned about this, Like they just chopp
her in for March.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It was like, oh, all right, Like the stuff here
isn't good. We're around the team a little bit more.
This isn't okay. That's also bad.

Speaker 3 (32:22):
Yep, it's all bad, Dan, this none of this is great,
none of if this is great.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
I do want to take like a final thing to
talk about for Knuckets fans that are still watching listening
as to what they can do roster wise, like moving
like okay, finding the right coach and the GM the
thing that I firmly believe who is the coach unless
you believe that there's a coach out there that would
have taken this roster with some of the injuries that
dealt with and brought it to higher highs this year, right,

(32:50):
you have to make changes to the roster then around Yokich,
like I'm gonna operate. I wanna make it clear, I'm
gonna operate under the assumption that it's we are trying
to optimize the Nakoliokich When They clearly don't know how
to do it, but they're at least going to attempt
to continue to do it. And so this summer they
could trade up to one first round pick. They are
going to enter about seven point one million dollars beneath
the second apron eleven point eight million dollars over the tax.

(33:13):
I will say, if we get to a point where
they figure out a way to dump Dario Charge and
Zeke Nagy without taking anything back, that's when the alarm
bell should be sounding. Where's oh, they tried to duckt
the tax This isn't going to end poorly. Christian Brown
and Peyton Watson are both extension eligible this summer. Jamal
Murray's max extension kicks in this summer, the four year
thirty percent max. Aaron Gordon's extension does that kick in

(33:36):
next year or the year after? I think it's yeah,
because he's only twenty two and a half percent of
the salary cap next year. What is the path forward
for this team when looking at its personnel? Un Listen, Look,
you could say this and it's fine that you just
think it's you run it back and hope that new
voice is at the head coaching spot in particular, dry

(33:57):
It's not realistic.

Speaker 3 (33:58):
That's not realistic.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
I do want to leave open.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
You don't think that it's possible that like a Peyton
Watson or a Julian Strawther or jail And Pickett could
pop with a different head coach, Like you're just not
Oh no.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
No, no, I believe that. That's not. What I'm saying
is Unreally like, what I'm saying is unrealistic is getting
a new GM in who doesn't want to shape a
team in its own image. When have we seen a
general manager come in and say, oh, gee, guys, I'm
so glad to be here, let's stick with ninety percent
of the same roster, which means I didn't do anything like.
That's not a way to stick out. That's not a

(34:31):
way to like impress your boss by not doing anything like.
That's just coming into the job and saying, oh yeah,
like I'm just gonna benefit off the job of others.
I'm not gonna do anything. So whoever is brought in
as the new general manager is going to have a vision,
and that vision I'm like, you're getting way ahead of it.
I think in terms of like, oh I should it

(34:54):
be Aaron Gordon, Should it be Jamal Murray? Should should
they be open to training the kids? Like I, I
think the big question is Nikola Jokic first and foremost,
and that is the biggest chip there is, Like they
are going to go out there and find a general manager.
That general mentor is gonna come in and it's gonna
have one of two opinions, one being Nikola Jokic is
the greatest player in the world right now, and yes,

(35:17):
would be absolutely moron start to utilize that. Or he
will say, Nikola Jokic is the best basketball player in
the world right now, look at what we can get
for him. That's gonna be one of the two things.
So until we know that, I just can't be bothered
sitting there talking about like what the ELL's gonna happen
with Darrio Sarich, Like fuck that.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
So I strongly disagree.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
I think that's a terrible way to look at it,
just because Oh, isn't the limitations of what they can
do part of what's going to inform how they go
about this next phase Because it's I'm not asking who
should you move, I'm asking can this team reasonably make
any sort of move? Where if you can reorient things
around Yokichen, I would even push not pushed back, but say, like,

(36:00):
I know some people think that Jamal Murray deal is terrible.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
It's probably not the best. It's not anywhere near the
best contract in the NBA.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
It's tradable, it's tradable the dude, and the dude's been
balling for more than half the season, or at least
half the season at this point. So I just where
I'm I'm wondering, is that if I was someone who's
pitching myself for this job, right, I'm going to say, well, like,
maybe we shouldn't be as married because we're working within
short windows anyway, maybe we shouldn't be as married to

(36:29):
the Peyton Watson experience. And if we start to attach
him with Zeke Nagy and Darius Sarch or Peyton Watson
an MPJ was that gout for Peyton Watson, Like, it's
just I think I'm looking at just because I don't
think you can move Jamal Murray for positive value, Like
someone will move him, but you're not gonna get a haul.
I'm looking at every other player on this roster, including

(36:50):
Christian Brown.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Just because he's extension eligible.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
He's super plug and play though, and saying, right, here's
what the moves that we could do to make the
team better. And there are different player archetypes that I
think would them well. But you could also just get
into the like you could argue that is there a
chance that if you keep kind of their starting five
together and if you're able to use Peyton Watson as
a sweetener to something like, well, if we can use

(37:12):
him and Nausey and Charge and we turn that into
like two players who are going to round out the
middle of our rotation at the six and seven spots,
that's what my focus would be is the job. I
just don't know, Like that seems pretty modest, I would say,
And I think it's fair to push back if I'm
you and argue like they don't even have the ability

(37:33):
to do that.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
No, I mean, look, that's that's something they could have
asked Calvin Booth to do. Like that's kind of my
point here, Like what you're saying, there is something that
Calvin Booth could be in charge of, Like that could
be an ownership mandate saying, look, you tried, like Peyton,
what's in this good? He's nice, He's not all that, Like,
whatever you built it up to be in your head,

(37:56):
that's not who he is. So now is the time
to pivot off of him or pivot off of someone else?
And then what would Calvin Booth do? He would have
to do it because that's what the mandate his boss
has given him. So I think what is going to
be the biggest indicator of what type of team this
this team is going to be in about what six months?

(38:19):
That is going to be there games? No, but it's
going to be the type of GM they pull in
off the street, like we'll see what happens. Like again,
I just think, first and foremost that's the big question,
like do you want to remain competitive or do you
want to take a big bet sledgehammer to the whole thing?

Speaker 1 (38:38):
And you know, I want to talk about something you
said before because I feel like I might have dismissed
it too easily. Do you think that this job is
less attractive now than maybe other perspective positions because of
how this unfolded?

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Do you think it's more about like the.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
Job, like the GM or coach.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
That's a good point.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
I think the GM job just because I'm looking at
it and saying it would be amazing to have the
opportunity to try and build a team around Akole Jokic.

Speaker 3 (39:05):
Yes, So would you say, yes, absolutely that I think
it's in that I can say both jobs are attractive.
Like if I'm a general manager and I get a
chance to build around Nikola Jokic, Oh my god, that's
the part of my legacy. If I'm a head coach
and I get to coach arguably the greatest center of
all time, that adds to my legacy too, Like that
these are good jobs. The only thing I hesitate about,

(39:28):
like the job were all is ownership. Like if they
made this type of decision this late in the year,
I'm sitting there thinking, oh, okay, so I can be
out at any time, Like we're seventy nine games into
the season, I could be in the hot seat. That's wild,
Like that's not something that would benefit me as a

(39:50):
coach or a GM, Like I would be sitting there
going with the fun.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
See I just because coaches, I do feel like if
you end up tearing it down and trading stars, there
is a chance that some coaches do stick around like
for that. But when it comes to like the GM,
if you're tasked with coming in and building a winner
around Yokic.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
I wonder how attractive this position specifically is because.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
You don't have a lot of wiggle room with which
to work when it comes to assets or just salary
cap flexibility.

Speaker 3 (40:17):
Yeah, no, I mean, look that's the challenge, but I
would overlook that. I would basically say, look, I got
a chance to work with jokichin. If I can't build
something around him, if I can't figure out to just
move a couple pieces around that makes this better, that's
on me. Like that, you have to have that level
of humility as well going into this, because if you
fail to build around Nikola Jokic, it's pretty much on you.

(40:41):
I'm sorry like that, it is.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
Yeah, And look there's also the element of and it's
the same way for head coaches. There's only thirty of
these jobs, right and as of right now, you know,
we can point that, we pointed to coaching situations that
might open up, and well he's one of those, correct,
But like, there's not as many front office gigs that
seem like they're gonna up.

Speaker 2 (41:00):
And so if you're just like, you're gonna have to
take it. So I'm man and that is why I.

Speaker 3 (41:05):
Am throwing my name into the hat.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
Absolutely, you've been as the foremost Nuggets insider who predicted
this firing twenty four hours before it happened. I'm gonna
reject your candidacy. They listen to what I say, clearly
that was.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
I I'm still just like at a loss for words
with this.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
This is I mean, and the fact that it's now
happened kind of twice, like just two playoff teams and
they've got and with you could talk about the writing
on the wall. There was less writing on the wall,
not less writing on the wall, but like at least
in Memphis there was kind of the breadcrumb level. They
gutted his assistant coaching staff before the season. But the
timing is still inexplicable for both.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
So who's gonna get fire tonight? Can? Can I just
put money down on Rick Carlisle just for the hell
of it, because apparently that's how we do things now.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yeah, who's been the best coach over the past like
two months that they're gone? Well, you know what, I
was trolling you because you mentioned JB. Bickerstaff's name in
that podcast. I know it's not an in and a candidate.
But look, the Pistons are They're not gonna win fifty
games this year. More like, what is is he even safe?

Speaker 2 (42:10):
I think we did get a lot of pushback for
mentioning Tibbs. They said he just signed. A lot of
it was he just signed an extension, his job is safe.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I don't know how you watch what happened with Taylor,
Jenkins and Denver most recently, how these championship coaches have
been dismissed and think that Tibbs just getting consecutive fifty
win seasons if they if they don't have a convincing
second round playoff Berth, I like, anything's on the tab
you wait.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
Wait, wait, hang on, hang on, hang on. So the
argument was because he signed an extension, he's safe.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
There was other like, this is the prevailing just the
i'll give you the bullet points off. So there's that
there was this is kind.

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Of the first year that this roster it was remade,
that they were together, and I would agree it's like
all the points are fair in an NBA that is
taking into account windows that are longer than two years.
And I'm just not so sure that unless you're rebuilding,
like rebuilding teams just have more of a runway now
than these contenders. It's just, yeah, there there's going to
be anomalies everywhere. Oklahoma City being one golden state, they've

(43:10):
undergone some turnover.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
But like the Crux having Steph there, having Draymond there.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
But I just I'm not even predicting that TIBs we
get fired, but you could just you can between the
Luka Doncics trade, Taylor Jenkins and Michael Malone's is the
timing of those dismissals. I think you could convince me
on just about any type of transaction happening in the NBA.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
The reason I'm asking is because I don't think I
don't take that into consideration, like coach signing a big deal,
like the start of a new extension whatever, like Manti
Williams side signed for what seventy eight million, like coach
for one year, I swallowed his deal.

Speaker 1 (43:47):
I do agree, but I am one, And maybe it's
like you're in that case, you knew that he probably
wasn't gonna find another job that would offset it. But
like Eric's Baulstra at eight years and one hundred and
twenty million might be the line right where it's Okay,
we're not gonna get guy yet, but maybe maybe not.

Speaker 3 (44:02):
I yeah, because I don't. I don't think NBA teams
look at that as being like, oh, that's that's a
lot of money. I mean again, we're talking about billionaires
a half of them. When it comes to like administrative stuff.
Unless you're the bulls, you just don't really care about
your paint guys not on the roster. So like, I
just don't think that factors in a whole lot the

(44:24):
other points, I agree with those a fair Like the
contractual stuff, I just don't think teams put as much
value into it.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
And as in Tims's case, I actually think the most
salient argument would be it really does feel like the
front office and the coaching staff are on the same
page unless we find out that Leon Rose has been
pleading with him to like cut minutes or play more
members of the rotation and he just has it.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
But yeah, so remember when you could trade coaches, I
think you still can. Needs to see someone do that
a little bit more. I need I need a coach trade.
I really need to see that.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
Do you think there'd be any coach that would right
now just leave his job for the chance to coach
Nicole okicch in Denver.

Speaker 3 (45:08):
I mean there should be There should be several like
Jamal Mostly. I know he's got a good thing going
in Orland offense. Yeah, like that might be the guy who,
like if Jamal Mostly has enough like insight into his
own like strengths and weaknesses, he might look at Denver
and go, oh, there's the guy who could save my ass.

(45:28):
Because I'm really bad at drawing up offense. But here,
here I go to this genius of basketball savant who
might save my ass that I can focus on defense,
Like I can just be a defensive coordinator and Jokic
will take care of the rest offensively. That's fine, dream job.

Speaker 1 (45:46):
I'm gonna be fascinated to see who winds up on
their list over the offseason of coaches that there could
perspectively higher. That's like, I'm sure Taylor Taylor Jenkins will
get an interview, but I'm just wondering.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Imagine if he got hired. That's what this was.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
Jenkins becomes available, that who the cronky's wanted and they
just hire Kayler Jenkins right before the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
That'd be funny.

Speaker 3 (46:05):
Imagine if it's someone like Mark Jackson or something.

Speaker 2 (46:08):
I would just yo get better demand to trade.

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Immediately if they make one of those deals, like or
if if Doc Rivers shakes Loot in Milwaukee and he
signs there, like it's just.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
I would allow an interview for Jeff van Gundy after
his body of work with the Clippers, I would allow fair.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, no, no, no, that's fair. I think that's fair.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
Do you have anything else or are you able to
inform our subscribers they could find you in all the
fantastic work that you do.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, I mean, first and foremost, I would implore you
not to get too inspired by what happened and not
fire Grant right before the playoffs.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
We're gonna have to take his jolt pulse and where
that lands on the spectrum, because I want to make
sure that he's headed into the playoffs with that.

Speaker 3 (46:56):
With that, yeah, exactly, So you really need to just
make sure he's he's for it, because if not, he
could be a first round exit. That's that's also tough,
Like do you fire him mid first round?

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Might fire myself if I don't have the jolts, I
think so mission critical. Yeah, I don't think I'll have
no choice but to step down.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
You know what, he could also just be something out
of the wo was like, maybe you're not wearing a cap.
That would be a jolt, that would be weird, Like
that's something that would that will throw me off, Like
that's that's so.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's funny because I feel like whenever I've been podcast
with Grant, I have not had a hat on the
past year.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
So I get the review, I put a hat on.

Speaker 3 (47:34):
I don't think I podcast lit with you without uh. Well, so,
so where you can find my work, you can find
on work at Yahoo Sports. I have just come out
with two major pieces. One on the Blazers, well it
seem that I'm very high on and I think they
might have found their star potentially if we buy into
Daniovkova's second half of the season. And I also came

(47:56):
out with an enormous NBA Europe piece where I was
allowed to write in the first person. So thank you,
boss man for allowing me to do that. You're such
a narcissist that you really I know, I know, I mean,
I'm usually not a first person type of guy, but
given the fact that I'm European and NBA's kind of
my job. I was. It was like, yep, this makes

(48:17):
sense on this one. I actually, you know how big
of a narcissist I wasn't that piece. I actually gave
the NBA advice on how to create a league in
Europe that might actually be sustainable, Like.

Speaker 1 (48:29):
You provided it within the piece, or you informed NBA
officials of it before you published.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
After I published. I actually did send it to the league. Yes,
all right, I did. I mean, I'm not even kidding.
I actually did. Look, I have a good relationship with
the league. I'll send this, send them stuff when it's
about Like.

Speaker 1 (48:53):
If you don't have the jolt heading into the postseason,
that relationship might mean nothing.

Speaker 3 (48:56):
And I'm thinking about that right now. I don't have
the g I haven't heard the reaction they like I
might wake up tomorrow to like a WhatsApp message just
going more. You missed the jolt on that one, like you, Well,
we can't work with you anymore.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
I'm sure Adam Silver listens to every single one of
our episodes twice, so I'm sure you'll hear from him.

Speaker 3 (49:16):
Yeah, absolutely, for sure. Like he actually subscribes to my
only fans is great.

Speaker 2 (49:23):
He's actually your most generous donor too.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
All right, well, I just catapulted every single chance I
had to getting in the interview with him one on
one one day. Uh No, But you can find my
work over at blue Sky, where I share my links
for Yahoo and and for Forbes, and I do the
Danish podcast, I do the NBA podcast. So yeah, that
is what I'm doing these days.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
Shout out to more, Shout out to you.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
I hope everybody as we head into the final couple
games of the season, into the playoffs, just has that
jolt yes inside, just come up from within them and
travel through their vein and look at their brain and
they're just so amped up and ready to like watch.

Speaker 3 (50:05):
What if everyone has the jolt? Though? Is that too
much jolt?

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I don't think there is such a thing as too
much jolt, But I'll ask all email the kronkeys after
this and see.

Speaker 3 (50:15):
Yeah, because I could just see fans be like really
pissed that everyone is starting to have jolts, because it's
it's like kind of like the three point thing. Oh
everyone is shooting threes, not oh everyone else jolts.

Speaker 4 (50:25):
Now it's not.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
And then you know, fans, spectators, they step on the
court mid game and now they're draining logo jumpers like
but they just feel the jolt.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
They can't stop.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
They're gonna have to stop running those those like those
events at the middle of halftime where those half court
shots for whatever money they're gonna ensure, Like companies aren't
gona want to sponsor those anymore because all these people
that have the jolt the net on those.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
I know, it's it's crazy. Well, I hope you have
a good, good rest of the day with a lot
of jolt, sir you as well.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Until next time, and as always, wet the shout out
to the one, the only, the indelible, the joltm