The Orlando Magic have two glaring needs going into the offseason - Featuring Dan Favale

Mort & Dan say goodbye to the Orlando Magic, and discuss what's next, including their immediate needs - of which there are especially two.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
What is up, Fellasicico's I am Dan Valley coming at
you with Mort Jensen of Forbes, fame, of Yahoo Sports,
fame of the NBA podcast fame, and of OnlyFans celebrity.
You all missed it. He changed his shirt before coming on,
right on camera. Don't worry, we filmed it. You could
get that on his Only Fans with the subscriptions to

(00:21):
go check that out. We're here with another playoff post mortem,
the Orlando Magic. We're kind of just bouncing around doing
these as they happen, but it's fun to get into
the big picture stuff because stuff with each series changes
so much for anyone who cares. Grant and I will
have some previews whichever we can get to like. Once
the series are set, we'll really dig into the second
round and maybe some first round reactions. We're here talk
about the Orlando Magic more.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
How you feeling doing well? Yes? And I can confirm
that I was changing my shirt and you had very
very big eyes, So I appreciate the flirtation that was.
That was a major compliment. Thank you.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
I'm here to sir, I know, but I'm also here
to serve some takes on Orlando, which is entering. I
would say, it's a fascinating offseason. So let's take a
look here they, I think, well, do you have any
like impressions from their playoff series against the Celtics. Peyton
Pritchard did say that they were the best defense that

(01:18):
Boston has ever faced, which is certainly to have him
say that and then Jalen Suggs wasn't even playing is
pretty incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:25):
Yeah. No, I mean, look, I don't think anyone really
doubted the defense even without Jalen, so like, good on
them for maintaining that. But it's still, like what I
took away from it is they're so far away offensively
still to the point where that has to be addressed
this offseason. But they have an identity and that's probably

(01:47):
the most important thing you can have as a young team.
I think they competed. I think they gave them everything
they could. And again, that's just such a good trait
for a young team because we've seen a thousand times
dan young teams get into the playoffs, they aren't really
sure of themselves, they get a little passive. These guys

(02:07):
are the exact opposite. They fight, they hustle, the claw
and they do everything they possibly can to get there.
They never quit. So the makeup, the mental makeup of
this team is great. They just need more.

Speaker 1 (02:20):
Talent, and I think before we'll get into trades, free
agency targets what they actually need. But this also kind
of starts with not that people lay this at the
feet of Paalo Bankaro, but there seems to be just
some division on how good of a player is he, because, Okay,
he can score, he's pretty switchable defensively, he could rebound.
Look at how balletic yet brutal he is on the ball.

(02:42):
But then he's not super efficient. And he did shoot
forty four and a half percent from three against the Celtics.
He seems like he has that Jimmy Butler ging in
him where it seems like he's always shooting better from
three in the playoffs. From what we've seen thus far,
he's extension maligeable this summer. So let's go through the
different scenarios. Before we even go through them, do we
both just agree that he is getting the max?

Speaker 2 (03:01):
Of course, of course, even if he's not a great
shooter a great efficiency player, yet he's three years in
look at who he's playing with From a spacing perspective. Yeah, absolutely,
you gamble on that upside and you give him.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
A max, and so the I would agree with you.
I'm a huge Palabank Caro fan. I think that he's
going to be an MVP candidate, like a top five
MVP candidate one day, because I want to see him
within a better spacing environment. If you go through like
catch and shoot three point metrics, off ball gravity metrics,
just general four spacing metrics, you will see that Palo
bank Caro's teammates reliably across the board ranked in like

(03:39):
the fifth, the fourth, the zero fix percentile. And so
I think a lot of his shot difficulty and his
efficiency struggles just come down to the spacing environment which
which he works. And so the five year max at
twenty five percent would be two hundred and forty six
point seven million dollars. Would you agree that they're probably
going to include the thirty percent leangth that could bring

(04:00):
it up to two hundred and ninety six Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
I'm absolutely Why wouldn't they.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
They did it for Franz, so I don't know. If
they don't do it for Palo, that would be that
would be fascinating. I don't know what that would say,
but that would be super fascinating. And I just so
now you do have like that impacts there. So it's
not going to impact what they're making or excuse me,
their cap sheet headed into this summer, but it does
kind of impact their thinking this summer because now in

(04:27):
twenty twenty six, you're going to have Franz in this
second year of his max, Jalen Suggs in the second
year of his extension, and then Palo's Palo's MAX extension
would kick in as well, And so you get into
just like the cap stuff with them this summer. As
of right now, if they kind of keep everybody, they're
eleven million dollars over the tax, they can duck it.

(04:49):
They could wave and maybe resign Mo Wagner who's non
guaranteed at eleven Gary Harris at seven point five million,
you wave them, you can try to resign them the
cheaper deals. We will say, even if you expect them
to duck the tax, accessing all or part of that
non tax player mid level exception at fourteen point one million,
that seems like a stretch right for this team.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
I would assume, so like you have two you said it,
you have two guys entering major extensions, like Franz is
gonna add thirty one million to his total, Sucks is
gonna have at like twenty six of twenty five twenty
six million to his total. Yeah, absolutely still have CV's
coal Pulp on the roster earning over twenty million. Like

(05:32):
even if even with with Jonathan Isaac declining in value
for don declining in value but declining and compensation level
for ten million, it just doesn't add up. Like you
are looking at a very expensive team, which is why
they need to do something this year.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Right, And I mean you could, I guess, offload other
salary to try and access the non tax payermentles, so
you duck the tax and you get to use this
to one a free agent. But you need to be
sure that that free agent is going to make a
difference at this point. If you're trying to move in
Davis called bo Pope, and maybe if you're even trying
to move Jonathan Isaac, I know that deal declines, but
he just doesn't play like he's like a twelve minute

(06:09):
per game player, and so you might have to attach
something to that money. And if you're gonna do that,
I think you might as well take a swing on
the trade market and I and you're you alluded to this.
That's where any change, any significant change in so far
as they make any is gonna come on the trade market.
They have all their own first round picks moving forward.
They have Denverse first round pick this year. They have

(06:30):
like guys will still teams excuse me, will still want
to take a look at Jet Howard. They have Tristan
da Silva. Anthony Black is super interesting as a trade asset.
So they have a ton of assets. But what is
tough for this roster is Franz, Polo and Suggs will
be about one hundred and sixteen million plus in twenty
twenty six. That's if Palo doesn't get the thirty percent max.

(06:50):
If he doesn't make all MBA or something, that's like
seventy percent of a cap gone right there, and there's
still other money on the books. If you want them
to take a major swing, it's tough because if you
start to throw in names that are on the books
for three years whatever, and they're a LaMelo ball as
an interest your favorite player in the league, you can't like,
we're just past the point as we're in this CBA

(07:11):
where Okay, well, like Sugs, Franz and Pallo are not
all going to be on the roster if you decide
you want to trade for LaMelo Ball or if Jamal
Murray becomes available, you might even in given Orlando's cap
sheet history, I think you could argue that they might
even be hard pressed to have two of such players
on the roster. And I think that's the challenge for
them is they need to get an offensive difference maker

(07:33):
that doesn't necessarily force them to force them to reorient
like their entire future basically right.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
And that's where things get problematic because there is a
guy we both have, you know, not necessarily earmark for Orlando,
but a guy who we think makes sense there in
Kobe White. He right now is on a compensation level
that makes a lot of sense. He'll be earning twelve
point eight million, I believe, next season, and that's very

(08:01):
manageable to trade for. But then he's going to be
an unrestricted free agent in twenty twenty six, meaning you'll
need a new deal. What's he going to end up
in like thirty five million himself forty million? Like what
are we I don't even know what the number is,
but it's going to be substantially higher than twelve point eight.
So even if you bring on a dude who is
cheap right now, that doesn't mean he's going to be

(08:22):
cheap in a year from now or two years from now.
So like, they have so many moving parts, which is
also partly why I was very low on the KCP
contract last summer. I was very outspoken about that. I
thought that was just a tremendous waste of money. I
understood that it was one of those situations where, well,

(08:43):
you know, spend it or lose it, but then frankly
you should have gotten more for that, a.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Bit more aggressive to use it on the trade market,
like correct super it was.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
That was just such a bone. I know, it was
celebrated every like all around NBA, you know, on online atmosphere.
Everyone was like, oh, yeah, that's so great right up
their alley, Like seriously, what did what did he offer
them this year that they didn't have already?

Speaker 1 (09:09):
Like seriously, I viewed it as more of a signal
that they were going to take swings, and it ended
up just being the only move that they made, which
never should have been. It was he wasn't necessarily duplicative defensively, sure,
I mean the Sug's injury, it ends up kcpends up
being super valuable for them. But even if he was
making shots at the level he was in Denver, he

(09:30):
was never bringing the volume of floor spacing or even
the like the type of shot making and table setting
that they needed, which before even getting into additional names,
I think it's it's a multitude of things where it's like,
you just want better floor spacers who could make shots
off the dribble from beyond the arc, even if they're
like stand still guys at this point. But you also
kind of do do you? I guess I'm asking you

(09:53):
how much value do you assigned to the next player
or the biggest addition they're making having to be if
not a floor general, someone who can do a ton
of initiation for others beyond Franz, beyond Palo. We saw
Jail and Suggs used in that roles beyond Corey Joseph
at this point right.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
Now, Majure, it has to be I just wrote about
this over at Forbes, like it's now the experiment of
having to you know, run everything through Polo and Franz
that has been explored clearally, there is a need for
something else, and and look, it isn't helping that that
Franz factor currently is reworking his entire jump shot. I
don't even know what the hell he's trying to do, right,

(10:30):
and he's pushing instead of shooting right now, which is
very concerning, especially because Paolo as well is, you know,
not a great three point shooter. He's like fine, like
there's potential there in terms of his.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
Time in the playoffs, shoot like a playoffs or his
career out to check that.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Look, that's great, and that's a good sign. I'm gonna
need to see something a little bit more sustainable. But yeah,
my point is now is the time to go in
for like a a playmaker. I just want to call him,
and yeah, it should be a guard. I think it
should be a guard because if you run everything through
your forwards and you have guards who can't space the
floor off the catch or create something on their own accord,

(11:11):
you are going to get absolutely brutally slaughtered in the playoffs,
regardless of how good defense you have. Like look, Nico Harris,
to spend how many months saying defense wins championships? We
have the Orlando Magic here, No, they don't you need
more than that? Like, yeah, it's a good defense necessary

(11:32):
to win a championship. Absolutely, I'm not arguing otherwise. But
if you think you can win a championship in today's
NBA primarily off the basis of having an elite defense,
you're out of your goddamn mind.

Speaker 1 (11:45):
What level before and just right before we get into
the specific names, what level of player does that need
to be? Though? Because you already mentioned Kobe White, but
like dealing in just archetypes rather than specific names for
a moment, does this player need to be like a
fringe All Star or could you get away with let's
call them the equivalent of a mid level guy who
come in, hit open shots, make some passes. Is this

(12:08):
team good enough to say we don't need to go
to the blockbuster route, like we just sort of need
to futz and fiddle, not necessarily on the margins, but
in the middle of our pecking order.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
What you're essentially asking me is, would is it necessary
for Orlando to go after a Kobe White type instead
of just going for a Giantial Russell type? And you
know where I'm gonna land on that one.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
I think when the other name is Deangel Russell, it's
not hard to land where you're gonna land.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
Well, I mean, look, you know guys who sign for exceptions,
they're gonna have significant warts. Like, let's just be real,
that is a case and you have to you have
to then have your warts be so insignificant specifically to
the structure of the magic that they can hide all

(12:58):
those weaknesses. But like, who's that guy? Who is that
guy who it might be able to you can cover
up defensively, and then it's just perfect. Then he just
fits in, like, oh, handing love. I don't know who
that player is.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
I guess I was gonna ask so if they could
do something like this, And I don't view this as
a perfect solution, but it's sort of a stop gap
when you're looking at their payroll. Let's say you can
get off the KCP deal, take some compensation, but New
Orleans is rebuilding, and you can get the next year
of CJ. McCollum, who does a lot of the stuff
they need. And I don't think he's received enough credit
for the way that he's upped his three point volume
in New Orleans. Does a move like that nudge the

(13:36):
needle in the right direction or they need to be
thinking even bigger.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
And no, see that's a move that does nudge in
the right direction. Because I also think he's more than
an exception guy, right. I know he's older, but his
game isn't exception worthy. It's more than that. It's higher
than exception worthy. So that would be a guy who
absolutely pushes them in the right direction. I don't love
the age timeline personally, but you know, in terms of

(14:04):
the archetype of player, hell yes, I mean look, in
many ways, you can argue that Kobe whis like it's
just basically the next generation of CG. McCullum. They're pretty
similar in the sense that both were kind of shooting
guards then became kind of ones. They're still really compos
can shoot a bit, but can also be a bit inconsistent.
Like it, There are a lot of similarities there, and

(14:27):
that's why why it is always on my list. But
McCollum is a good shout it, Like, yes, you would
absolutely fix an absolute shit ton of what they're going
through right now.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
And he is because he's older than Kobe White. Where
it' Kobe White so cheap? Now, in terms of just
the raw dollars, but you know he's gonna cost more
to his next deal. CJ. Mccollm is kind of the opposite.
You need to come up with the money matching. Now
that's not a problem for Orlando, but he's not gonna
be making thirty plus million dollars in his rights deal.

Speaker 2 (14:52):
Right, So that's one more year and then he's an
unrestricted free agent twenty twenty six, unless, of course, he
signs an extension which you can, which doesn't have to
be higher than his current salary. So like, what could
be an interesting contract for CJ McCollum.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
What forty? Does that too much?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
I like that? No, that's that. I feel like that's fair, right,
because at that point he'll be thirty four. You know,
he'll still be effective. But like on the downslope of
his career, two forty that's you know, Vouch I think
got like three sixty. So that kind of aligns with
the twenty million a year kind of route. I think
that's fair. That would be a good deal for Orlanto too,

(15:34):
because it's very manageable. Twenty million is in a couple
of years. That's the non tax emily anyway, and I guess.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
The other thing is you you sort of mentioned that
you would want to see them trade for or acquire
a different type of center. Yeah, how high or how
big of a swing are you making on that type
of a resource.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
See, that's the thing, because that center has to fit Polo.
And I'm mentioning Polo specifically, not Franz, because that's still
their number one guy. Polo is the guy they have
to build around as like the first thought every whenever
they do.

Speaker 1 (16:11):
We thank you for saying that. I think, by the way,
I think Franz is about as good as you can
be offensively with the type of jumper that he has
right now, right, but I thought people were really getting
over their skis by having the always he more important
to the magic than power.

Speaker 2 (16:25):
No, no, And I'm saying that as a euro guy,
Like by the way, I mean, look, I like Franz,
I actually do. I like him a great deal. But
if like we were talking about Wartz, he has a
lot of them, and it like Powlo to me, projects
also not only with the higher ceiling, he also projects
us the safer bet moving forward. To just be honest

(16:46):
about it, he has to be top of mind when
you do make roster alterations. So for a center to
fit alongside Paolo, what type of center do you need? Well,
given these shortcomings from a spacing perspective, between Paolo and Franz,
for both of whom are going to play what forty
four minutes per game? That like, let me just double check, yeah,

(17:07):
for thirty four minutes per game both of them. They're
gonna be on the court a lot. You're gonna need
someone who can stretch. I don't think he's available, but
I would love a Kilo Ware as well alongside one
of those two guys. What is this going to take
to get him? Presumably a whole lot. That's the type
of player I would go for.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
I you know, and I wouldn't go I agree with
the archetype. I wouldn't go for khalil Ware because I
do think this team needs just stopped trafficking in the
development of the solutions, and khalil Ware is spacing is
not bankable. I'd rather see them. I mean, those players
are expensive. We mentioned Nazerie. Probably the price point is
too high. And even if you could make them out,
like let's say they could do a sign and trade

(17:48):
right for what you have to give up. Does it
make sense, like he's not solving your playmaking issue as
a like your gap, so to give up like pick
resources to get him as tough If it only costs contracts,
then yeah, sure where christophs Porzingiz could be interesting. If
Boston is looking to cut costs and you're roping in
different teams, that might be. He's a pretty good fit
next to Paalo.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
Oh, he would be the best fit. I just kind
of labeled him as ungettable in this specific scenario. But
if he's not, yeah, I'm all ears, that would be
an amazing fit.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
What do you think about He's a free agent and
he was played off the court against the basers brook Lopez?

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Can he still walk after the summer?

Speaker 1 (18:30):
I don't know. If he goes to Disney World a lot,
so you might get too many steps in and as
his legs could be sore.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right right, I mean, look another year with that.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Would would that be like the most ground bound front
court in the like Pallo and brook Lopez.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
It might be, And look there's some there's some worth
in that. I'm not counting that down. And look, look
he'll have games like if brook Lopez ends up in Orlando,
he will have games where we're like, oh, we see that,
we see the vision here, but he's so old. He's like,
I'm literally on two years older than per to the date,
even April first, like thirty seven and going out there,

(19:09):
and then he'll be thirty eight come playoff time next year.
That's a tall order, tall tall order.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
What about his teammate Bobby Portis this team has probably
the ability to insulate him defensively. You know what this
team really needs, like peak MAXI Kliba. That's like a
half decade ago at.

Speaker 2 (19:28):
That'd be fun. Yeah, No, that's a good one. Like Bobby,
I'm not in on for for this roster specifically because
he's almost exclusively a four now. Like I know, he
plays the center spot here and there, but he's so
much better.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
Just put a lot on Palo. Yeah, if the front
court is him in pallow And by the way, I
still love Wendell Carter Junior. It's just they need someone.
You want to open up as much room as possible
for Franz and Powoll, and they need someone who's a
better spot up shooter than Wendell Carter Junior. Right now,
I have a tricky one Karl Anthony Towns, I'm sold.

Speaker 2 (19:58):
No, no bringing back Vouch. Oh man. Well, I mean, look,
when you think about it, playmaking, solid ass, rebounding, and look,
that's probably the one knock I have on Paolo is
that he doesn't rebound enough. He like Vouch, will come
in and rebound the heck out of the ball. We

(20:18):
saw this year that he's so much better as like
a trailing three point shooter than as someone who playsloading
the half court with sucks back. If you also get
a new lead guard in there, maybe you can dial
up the offense. We saw that in the first few
games of this season before the injuries, that they were
really dialing up the three point shots and the pace.

(20:38):
Like I don't know, maybe there's something there. He's familiar
with Orlando. He still loves the organization. The organization still
loves him. They didn't leave each other out in a
bad way. Like I wouldn't hate that as a stopgap
option until you find something more sustainable. And look, if
there's a team that can hide his defensive deficiencies, it's them.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Joe would be fun and he would have to be
a cost cutting casualty. Otherwise, I don't know. Why he
would leave his team. Al Horford works here.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Oh well, I Al Horford works practically everywhere.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Hey, he didn't go to Florida's just's be like a reunion.
Maybe he wants to come.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Back, So sign up Joe Keem Noah as well and
Corey Brewer get the band bets kids.

Speaker 1 (21:21):
So we have a list, and I didn't put every
name that we might talk about, but a list of
perspective trade targets that the Magic could go after. Let's
just tackle them one by one and then you can
add all right on there, LaMelo Ball is for me,
before you take the talking stick, I would love LaMelo
Ball on this team. I think he would be sensational.
But we did just talk about all right, I guess

(21:42):
you are giving up Jail and Suggs and any permutation
of that deal. But now you've decided, Oh it's LaMelo,
it's Ben Caro, it's it's Franz, and like that's sort
of it in terms of the big money. Now they're
all would be on their fun maxes. So it's more
workable than whatever Phoenix is not trying to do. But
it really does thin out your margin for error, and
if you're gonna do that, even I'll say, this is

(22:03):
a Lamello apologist. You want someone who's more bankable, And
I would say, like, if they were gonna go all out,
I would And this isn't a hot take, but it's like,
then go for Devin Booker, don't go and like figure
out the math with that, rather than trying to figure
out the math for LaMelo, especially given his injury history.

Speaker 2 (22:20):
And the injury history is why I'm just like, no,
they've already had too much of an injury history with
Jalen sucks, I think, so like to downgrade from that
situation from a pure availability perspective, it's just to me,
it's nonsense. I'm not a complete non starter.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
So it's not a non starter for me. I'm gonna
be like, I want to know what the pick equity
is going, because he's not like he makes more than
Jaalen sucks. But it's not astronomically more I think what
would give me pauses? Okay, how much? How many draft
picks to Charlotte want? But also you mentioned the availability
with LaMelo. He has not defended well, even though he
has the tools to do so, this team can insulate

(22:57):
him and maybe makes his job easy enough to where
he like if he's getting men him gambling for turnovers
on this team. So I would be so intrigued, but
I would have a hard line on the opportunity cost
to get him because of the injuries and just again,
because you have to position yourself to be able to
make other moves after this, and so you can't just
empty your draft clip. In addition to taking on another

(23:19):
fun max salary, the.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Fact that you want to add draft picks to an
outgoing package that includes Jalen Sugs for Lamental Ball, Jim,
I just I just tasted my lunch again. Dan.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Look, maybe history will be written and you'll come out
right on that, But I think LaMelo Ball checks a
lot more anomalous boxes than Jalen Suggs does as a
basketball player. When you're looking at the off the dribble
shot making, the vision is transcendent. I think in a
better situation, I would even say a better situation because
I think Charlotte does have good people in place up

(23:54):
top right now. But like there's a lot this would
be you plug him on this year's Orlando Magic and
they are by far and away the best group of
players he's ever taken the floor with and it's not
even close.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
That is true for about seventeen games. That'd be amazing,
and then he won't be able to play for the
rest of the year. Yeah, yeah, would.

Speaker 1 (24:15):
You Let's just say he becomes available, and we did
talk about all the challenges involved of adding an expensive player. Sure, Lando,
investigate the Devin Booker stuff or is that just if
you want Franz?

Speaker 2 (24:25):
Would you can be?

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Would Franz be a non starter and a Devin Booker
trade for you.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
The sus See, I'm actually open to moving funds. I am.
I know that sounds sacrilegious for Magic fans, but I'm
open to it. The three even before he started reworking,
it was never that good and you need that shot
if you're him, like you really do, especially playing alongside Paulo,
Like even Jalen is not the best natural shooter. So yeah,

(24:56):
I would be it's Devin Booker man, Like, Yeah, obviously
the issue I would have there is who starts at
the one? Who's the who's the league guard there?

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Do you think if you have him and Pollo you
need you could find a one? But do you think
if you have Devin Booker and Powloll that you need, Like,
doesn't that kind of change the scope of who you're
one can make? Or no?

Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, no, So here's the thing. Yeah, that's fair. Here's
my take on it. We've seen Devin Booker try to
be pitch and told into Okay, you're gonna be the
default playmaker. We've also seen Orlando try to run their
offense through alternate means. Then you know, traditional point point
guard is a little bit of an tiring way to

(25:35):
describe it, but I think it fits here. I'm just
out on that, like it's time for book to be
freed up as a score far more it's time for
Polo also to be freed up more as a scorer, Like, yes,
it should there be interplay between them, absolutely, of course.
And can book run several pick and rolls every single game? Yes,

(25:56):
I still think they need a real ass florally who
can set all those guys up.

Speaker 1 (26:02):
Right, But if you're getting a de and I think
I agree to some extent with that, because if you
have like Devin Booker, this year didn't have Paalo Bin Carrol.
Paalo Bank Carroll didn't have Devin Booker, right, So but
even if you're saying they need a one right now.
Like that's the difference between saying they need a Kobe Whider,
they need a Tias Jones, or like someone who could
just come in cheaper and organize things.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
See, it's funny because obviously the sun sucked and they
did have both Devin Booker and Highest Jones. But I'm
not necessarily out on that pairing whatsoever. Under different circumstances,
like if book ended up in Orlando somehow and Tyas
followed suit, I'd be into it.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Booker has three years and one hundred and seventy one
point two million dollars left time. Yeah, if you're not
giving up front, No, I mean, if he wanted out,
I think we all agree it'd be you contact Houston first.
We all know that. But that'd be a fun name.
Another name that'd be interesting if the heat were blowing
things up. He's kind of cheap relative to own of
the league. Is going to see Eyler hero two years
and sixty four million dollars? How would you feel about that?

Speaker 2 (27:02):
Much better playmaker this year? I think he took a
real step up in that department. Is it enough to
like become the primary perimeter initiator. Not sure. Again, I
feel like going for shooting guards might not be the
best ankle to this. I do feel as though you

(27:22):
need to go traditional ones, but I wouldn't hate it because, again,
as you pointed out, the compensation level is fairly modest.
He's obviously improving. He's always taken some sort of improvement leap.
By the way, why is it that everyone still pecks
him as like a future six man? It's just just
because he shoots a lot. I've seen so much of

(27:42):
this over the past forty eight hours.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Because he said he needed Jimmy Butler to win or something,
which I take is more of a shot at bam
Adebaio than than pilot Hero.

Speaker 2 (27:52):
But no, but I'm like, what are we doing here?
He's obviously a starter. I mean, I'm interested, But again,
does his archetype, you know, fix a lot of these
things in Orland. Maybe I'm not rolling it out, but
when push comes to shove in the playoffs and you're
gonna need someone to handle the ball, protect the ball,

(28:14):
create high percentage looks and in very tight half court
offense executions, is a tyler Hero and Paulo Bankaro you
trust to facilitate those to create those. I don't know
the answer to that, but I'm kind of leaning now.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
Well, then I guess that gets interesting because then names
like zach Lavine, Malik Monk, Anthony Simon's one year, twenty
seven point. Everyone's been trying to send Anthony Simons to
the Magic for like three years now, yep. And I
mean even for what you're describing, Kobe White is.

Speaker 2 (28:45):
Not that right, but he's cheaper for and for now,
and you can get him for cheaper as well, because
the Bulls, well they're probably gonna lose him, right, they
can't extend him. So this price tag is why I'm
interested in Kobe here, because you have to give up
to for book, you have to give up a ton
for Hero, you have to give up a ton also
for like the good traditional ones out there, Kobe White

(29:07):
is in a situation where the Bulls can't extend him.
We also know they're horrible negotiators, and that's not even
a joke that we've seen it. I mean, that's that's
the thing. So like there's a world out there where
Orlando can go in sort of fleece them a little bit.
In the trademarket to get them. I think that carries
some weight, and also because it's so easy to match salary.

(29:29):
I agree with you that Kobe doesn't fit, you know,
the narrative of like a Tias Jones archetype for example. Absolutely.
I will say he's gotten better as a playmaker. I
will say he's gotten better as a defender too, for
that matter, and then we're kind of seeing when he's
like the primary guard, he levels up, and that's like

(29:49):
a consistent pattern. I don't know I'd be willing to
roll the dice on it, because I don't think you
relinquish all that much to go get him.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Do you think there are a lot of their or
any or how many of their offensive issues do you
think could be resolved if let's say that the trade
for the type of floor general or regard that you're
talking about isn't out there, should they be investigating Like
the Norm Powells, he's on an expiring contract at twenty
million Cam Johnson deals declining two years, forty three million.
Even if Michael Porter Junior becomes available in Denver for

(30:21):
some reason, He's got two years and two years and
seventy nine millions a lot Cam Johnson is the name
that I kind of stick on where it's if you
told me that wasn't the the only move. I don't
know that I would love it, but like that just
just to get someone in there who can open up
the floor for what ball handlers they have in place
right now and doesn't Maybe it branks some of the
bank of your asset stash, but it's not gonna break

(30:42):
the bank financially for you. That'd be a name if
I'm them, that I'd at least be interested in.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
I love cam Johnson, and I understand that we are
in an age where positional list basketball is a thing.
But where the hell will he play alongside Franz and Paolo,
Like he's still.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
To play the three of them together, Like sometimes maybe
Polow is the big but I think if you have
Wendell Carter Junior as the center, if you bring in
another center, I think that could Like we've just seen it,
like we've seen the Magic play ultra huge enough for
me to believe that that something like that could work.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I guess, but maybe we're also maybe we should ask
the question, like is that necessarily the way forward?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
No, I said, as the move, I don't think that that's.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
The way exactly. And and Norman Powell, first and foremost,
fuck you forgetting me to criticize Norman Powell right now,
because I'm gonna I have to. He's not a ball handler.
Like I love him as a player, I absolutely love him.
But he's in the right role as he is with
the Clippers right now.

Speaker 1 (31:42):
Right But what did I say about him handling the ball?
I said, if they weren't going to get that.

Speaker 2 (31:45):
If they weren't going to get that, But like, where again,
then why bother?

Speaker 1 (31:49):
What?

Speaker 2 (31:49):
What? Like he's just gonna play off of everyone else?
Like what again?

Speaker 1 (31:53):
Something like he's got straight line juice to him. We
saw he's got he does creation juice this year. So
you're saying, you're blaming me for criticizing Normans, Yes, Norman Powell,
but you're actually levying unjust criticism at Norman Powell.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
So that's I am. Look that's why. Yeah, Look, he
doesn't solve their issues. That's the thing. They need someone
to be able to handle the ball, get into the defense,
break guys down again, Norman. Norman Powell is great as
like the third guy on a team, like the third
score where everything kind of lines But it has to

(32:25):
be the right setting. If Powlo and Franz are the
main you know, playmakers, I hate Norman Powell right there.
I don't think that's the right approach because I don't
think they are good enough pastors. Like we complement Powlo
and France for their playmaking, and yes, but it's in
the context of the positions that they play, Like, let's
be real, they're not elite playmakers. And I think to

(32:48):
Norman Powell's well, how do you put this? I think
he's benefited greatly from playing next to James.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
What do you how do you feel about I do
think you're kind of like glombing off to the idea
of like this guy needs to be just like a
traditional point guard. And I feel like, hello, and if
you're gonna keep Fronds, give you more optionality like Anthony
Simon's to me, I don't know if he'd be my
favorite target, but that's someone who could come in and
because you already have some of the secondary playmaking, KAY
can get into teeth of defenses and then just hit threes.

(33:18):
I don't like that's he's the furthest thing from a
traditional point guard. But I think that that would be
in terms of a single acquisition, realistic single acquisition that
comes like pretty close to papering over a bunch of
their their issues right.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Well, so it might not have to be a traditional
point guard. It can't be a combo. I think with
Powell though, he's not even a combo, like he is
a straight onto. He is he knows who he is, right,
He's more of an off ball guy cutting like, yeah,
you're absolutely all right, the straight line drives, he's got those.
He's never been herkie jerky and I think Kobe White,

(33:52):
Anthony Simon's Colin Sexton who's on the list as well.
Those guys can at least get defenses off like off rhythm,
So there's their avenue, is there they can get to
even hell like, I don't support this, but like sack
Lavine is also that dude. He can also bend defenses
in many ways.

Speaker 1 (34:10):
But it was cheaper. If he wasn't making so much,
I think he'd be believe it.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, he'd be a great fit. But at the end
of the day, you need someone at the point or
at the lead guard. I just I don't think it sucks.
I don't think it's Powell. I don't think it's wrong
if if Orlando goes into next season with those three
guys and no one else and says, all right, those
three guys are primary playmakers. Look, they're gonna be in

(34:36):
for a world of hurt offensively.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Any other names that you want to discuss or add
to the list. There were some Jamal Murray like speculation.
That's again you run into he just on the max extension.
I really can't see the playoffs. I don't know what
would have to happen for me. Just had a forty
burger after we're recording this. I just don't know what
would have to happen for the Nuggets to want to
break up the Jamal Murray Nicola Jokic, Douo.

Speaker 2 (35:01):
I'm glad you didn't add Trey Young to that list
because again, the salary concerns there. But you know, he's
been brought up a ton, and I get why high mold.

Speaker 1 (35:11):
This year's version of him would probably be a better
because he wasn't so ball dominant. But ye, I don't
want someone if I'm the magic in here, who is
going to be You want them to be able to
play off the ball more than we've seen Drey Young
ever play off the ball?

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Yeah, you're absolutely right. He's not the greatest bought up shooter.
And I think that's the challenge because the arget type
that we're kind of trying to bring into Orlando, either
he's not available or he doesn't exist. That's that's the thing, Like,
who is that guy who can take over like the
tier one playmaking but also shoot off the ball. Look,

(35:46):
the only guy that comes to mind is Steph And
that's like unrealistic for Dame two. Yeah, sorry, that's true.
Dame two name two, Like, yeah, that's the type.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
What also worries me. I don't think they would do this,
but it'd be funny if they actually make like an
ultra big swing. But with the way that this front
office like looks at things and it ends up being
John Morant Whe's like, oh, we're gonna go with the
athleticism rather than prioritizing the shooting. I would hate it too.
I want to I'm not advocating for it'll be funny
if everyone's been pushing the magic to We're not even

(36:18):
saying that he need to make a blockbuster, But I
think a lot of people just want to see them
make this huge splash. It would be hilarious if if
they do, and then it's just like so counterintuitive to
what they need. Now, we did go over their cap situation,
which is a little bit sticky. So if you're looking
at free agents, you're probably looking at sign and trades

(36:38):
or can you access the non tax payer mid level
You have to clear some money to do that. Any
names on the market that like the list we have here,
and I think we go there's Malik Beasley, Malcolm brogen Ty,
Jerome Tyas Jones, Chris Paul, Duncan Robinson has an eto,
D'Angelo Russell Moret already mentioned him, Dennis Shruder, and then
Fred van Fleet has a team option. I like Fred

(36:59):
van Fleet lot for what he could you off the ball,
but I think they probably need if you're gonna go
that route, like you probably want someone who's a better
just like use that with Norman Powell's not creating advantages
for others. Fred van Fleet is not as limited in
that respect, but he's pretty limited for a point guard.

Speaker 2 (37:16):
So your second name on that list is interesting, pending health.
Malcolm Brockton again and that's the big thing with him
with health, right, but in an optimal world where he's
healthy just for sixty games. He would be such a
perfect fit there because he actually does many of the
things that we're talking about off ball, on ball defense,

(37:41):
can rework, can work himself into virtually every lineup. I
genuinely believe that if Malcolm Broughton had stayed more healthy
over the course of his career, he'd been the shooting
guard version of Al Horford, just in terms of how
he can bend himself into so many different positions. That
sounded dirty, not in my attention, but you know what
I mean. And for him to come into a young

(38:02):
Magic team on a much less lesser much yeah, un
lesser compensation level, that was the word I was looking for.
That'd be such a great get. I don't know what
he's gonna get in the open market, especially because of
his injury history. If they can get him for virtually nothing,
sign him the f up, because at least you have

(38:23):
a stop gap for a while and or at least
until he goes down with an injury. I don't hate
that acquisition at all. If they if they go get him.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm gonna curious see what he gets to and whether
what the Wizards might decide to like use his bird
rights to keep him. But I don't like we're talking
about this right now. The captain landscapes is such that
who's coming in with a non taxpayermid level for Malcolm Brockton.
Is he gonna end up being like a mini mL
type guy. For all we know at this point, it's
probably possible.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
I wouldn't rule that out.

Speaker 1 (38:52):
Uh, if you're gonna go after shooting again, I'm aware
for anyone. Like I know that Molie Beasley and Duncan
Robinson aren't point guards. But if you want you to
come in and just kind of flamethrow from beyond the arc,
I wouldn't hate Chris Paul here though. That's just like
the Aaron Fox and Steph Castle are in San Antonio.
Chris Paul wants to be on a contender. He shot
the three ball like the volume on his threes was
great this year, and he can still set up plays

(39:15):
getting into the teeth of defenses. He's not gonna put
guys off mismatches, that's tough, but he would certainly come
in and be able to organize things, I think without
infringing upon like the functional existences of Pala War Frons.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
If there's a guard out there that doesn't need to
get into the teeth of the defense to break guys
down and still be able to deliver pass, it's just
still Chris freaking' Paul.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
So you know that it is not Gal Bridges, despite
how he played, Just in case anyone's wonder, so.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
Like, yeah, he would be interesting. Is he interested leaving
San Antonio? It's like the Again, I'm not trying to
say I have sources on this because I have no idea,
but it felt like to me that he was when
I spoke with him, that he was just so in
tune with the Spurs. He loved it there and that
could be PR fodder, that could be him just saying

(40:02):
the right thing. I have no idea, but it did
seem like he genuinely enjoys the Spurs experience. Does he
want to hang on to like after what they've done,
like or aligned them to this season or this summer? Rather,
we don't know. He'd be a great gut You have
Duncan Robinson on the list, which I think is interesting,
like just basically as a straight on off ball guy.

Speaker 1 (40:26):
Is that you're thinking, Yeah, I mean he does some
stuff inside the arc. Now, the Magic just don't have
the space thing to actualize it. But they need and
I guess Jet Howard support, but like they don't have
that guy that can just come in and get shots up,
like flying around screens or get him up in volume.
And if Duncan Robinson's the like exercising his ETO, I'm
assuming he's taking a pay cut just over like a

(40:46):
longer period of time now. And I think the Magic's
like half court offense. Some of the stuff we saw
like away from the ball for them when they were
closer to full strength, makes me believe that they would
figure out how to utilize him. But he's still even
more so than Elik Beasy, Like you need someone to
set him up. And while you do have powow in Franz,
the entire point of this exercise was kind of to
figure out, well, how do we upgrade like that spot

(41:09):
and Duncan Robinson or Malik Beasley or Norman Powell to
circle back to that. That feels like the move after
you make the caps lock move.

Speaker 2 (41:19):
See now at being on Norman Powell after you make
the caps luck move. That's the thing. I think that's
a good way to phrase it. Like, you have your
priorities in place, right. If you do get that guy
who can go in and handle the offense a great deal,
then that's when you go out and find like the
guys who benefit from that, And in that case, Norman
Powell would be extremely high on my list.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
What do you think of Like if you were then
would you consider taking a flyer on someone who's more
unproven or like' let's just say there's a mega trade
happening read Shepherd's being traded, but the Magic have the
ability to go in and like acquire him as part
of that, or are you looking for a more I
think I love reaching, but just I think I need

(42:03):
a more bankable option here for that. I think he's
gonna be really good and they could certainly insulate like
all of his defensive struggles, and I think he still
might be fine on that in before long term anyway,
I guess maybe I also don't trust like the code,
like are they gonna give him enough minutes like they
seem to. They gave Tristan to Silva a ton of
minutes out of the gate because they had to, and
also because he's someone who can theoretically defend They've seem

(42:24):
to like hold back on other dudes that can't theoretically
defend or might struggle on that end. But I like
my point might right about way of asking, does it
have to be more of just like a veteran or
would you consider rolling the dice on like maybe a
not a reclamation project or necessarily a second dread but
even someone not young but like Tod Jerome is super
unproven when we're looking at this, but he would be

(42:46):
a somewhat intriguing fit here too.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
Yeah, what you're asking me is what I roll the
dice on someone who isn't ass established to a lot
of guys. Yeah, look, I mean again, it depends on
the player and depends on how I feel about that guy.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
The move though not as like the the only move
we're ever going to make, But it's because you could
look at Ti Jerome and say well, or let's say
you can just look at plugging a youngster in there
and say, well, if we got a veteran in who
could play in front of him or something. But as
just like the solution, like they're coming in and saying
Ti Jerome is are starting starting one.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
That's tough, right, I mean again, you'd have to be.
You would have to go back to the draft boards
and figure out, like how high were we on this
guy during draft time, Like how did we feel about him?
What were are internal projection projections for him? You know,
do we think under this in this system he can thrive?

(43:42):
Like you have to ask yourself a million questions. But
if everything is coming up Millhouse, why not why not
try to go about it? I mean, look, reed, Shepherd,
I think that might not be a bad move. That
could be one of those things where it could look
like a freaking steal a couple of years from now.
Now he's small, though very small. It's not just the height,

(44:04):
it's like the stature. He's not a big guy, and
it seems like Orlando has prioritized like size positional size,
so for him, that would almost go against the grain
of what they're used to. But that also is kind
of interesting, Like if they're open minded enough to saying,
all right, you know what, we need to get a

(44:25):
guy and who doesn't necessarily fit our understanding of the
archetype that we always want, I wouldn't hate it. I'd
probably if I'm a Magic fan, I'd probably look at
it and go Is that all we did?

Speaker 1 (44:40):
I have questions?

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah, yeah, what exactly happened? Like, is everything we got was?
Is that like a guy with a stash who averaged
like what four points per game this year? I don't
even know what he averaged. I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I will say if they did do that, though, I
would instantly with him and Paolo on the same team
in Joe and Some's, I'd instantly just become an Orlando Magic.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I had a feeling you would. Yep.

Speaker 1 (45:01):
Well you know what name I didn't bring up. I
don't know how valuable he is because he actually seems
more important when you.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
Have in Europe. Stop pitching, Frank, Okay.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
All right, well my next name on the list is
and his team makeup I think right now is set
up that they need him more than they did at
the start of this season. Weirdly a Manuel Quickly kind
of another big money name, but he's in the realm
of Joe and Suggs. He's not costing you a Max
you know, that's not a Max guy.

Speaker 2 (45:26):
I'm still blown away by all the pushback he got
this year, or just the criticisms like he wasn't healthy.
I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
He's never had like real practice time with this team anymore.
Like he came like they talked there's a lot of
people talking about defensive regression, and there was, but you
mentioned the injury. I also think like familiarity is a
part of that, and the Raptors play such an aggressive
style that you have a manual quickly a healthy training camp.
I think he would fit. But I'm not saying he
deserved to be Defensive Player of the Year All Defense
at any point. But right now it feels like we've

(45:56):
veered towards too far of the negative. We can never
just exist in the happy medium space. Everything has to
be absolute apparently.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Yeah, I look a guy who's in and out of
the lineup all year, and it wasn't like, oh he
missed a chunk here and that was it. Then he
came back and played every game like consecutively. No, it
was in and out of the lineup constantly. That is
so much harder than if it's just one long injury.
And it's still like I'm I'm just gonna say, I
know raw stats is not the way to go, but
I'm look, seventeen points per game in twenty seven minutes

(46:28):
almost six assists, three and a half boards. He's always
been a tremendous rebounder. He got up almost seven triples
per game in those twenty seven well almost twenty eight
minutes and for three rows. Like, the guy's just productive.
And I understand that in today's NBA sphere of analysis
and opinions, everyone wants the oh, look at that wing

(46:49):
who averages four points per game, but the wingspan, Oh
my god, he can defend four levels. Yeah, that's cool,
but you also need guys who can just flat out produce.
Come on, like, at some point, Paul.

Speaker 1 (47:00):
George, you think this is a Paul George teed, Oh my.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
God, you had to go there, You had to go there.
Uh No, But like Emmanuel Quickly can fricking produce, like
he's shown that sometimes. I think even sach Lowe said
this a couple of weeks ago. At some point, you
just gotta put up stats. I think he was talking
about Dalan Terry or something like basically like, yeah, they
look fine, but like they had like one rebound or

(47:23):
two assists or something, and that was it, and at
some point you just got to do something. Emmanuel quickly
does something. He does something all the time, and yeah,
will there be areas where he's not perfect, absolutely, but
for Orlando specifically, Fuck yes, I'm in. I just don't
consider him available. That's why I didn't even think about him.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, it's I don't even like if Toronto even won
the lottery, I think you could even then argue that
a macieal quickly becomes more important than that roster because
of everything off the ball.

Speaker 2 (47:50):
Yeah, it's a good shout on him. By the way,
that's a good name because he's actually like for what
we're talking about in terms of the archetype, he's pretty
close to it.

Speaker 1 (48:01):
Actually, he's actually I think of all the names that
we mentioned, and if you're looking for someone who has
a track record, yeah, does he come the closest to
just kind of checking all of the boxes in the
most significant fashion.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Probably? Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Yeah, like not too too expensive, but not so cheap
that you're not gonna play him. And then okay, he's
not your a plus playmaker, but he can do some
live drible things. Yeah, I would like that, And but
I don't know the magic due without putting fronds or
sugs on the table, like they still they don't quite
have choose your own adventure trade assets. But like, all
things are possible if you're gonna put enough on the table,

(48:37):
and like they have the ability to like throw some
flyers and draft picks on the table, and maybe something
happens with Toronto over the offseason that sort of changes
the calculus of where they're headed. But I would agree
with you that I don't think Emanuel Quickly's unavailable, But
he's also he's not one of those guys that are
untouchable either, right.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
I mean, look, Orlando or sorry, Toronto absolutely has needs.
They need more small forwards obviously, because that's just the
way they're they're building their teams. Apparently now they need
to start five small forwards. I think they have three
out of four or three out of five at this point.
So yeah, what can Orlando give them their KCP? He's
a three now, right, he's not quick enough to be

(49:13):
a two. There we go, KCP for Emmanuel Quickly. Get
everything you need, Toronto, Just wings, just wings, wings for days.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
You just angered in an entire nation.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Congratulations, Oh they were pissed already.

Speaker 1 (49:30):
Uh, you got anything else on the magic or? Are
you ready to tell our listeners where they can find
you and all the work that you do.

Speaker 2 (49:35):
Well, I think we're good. I mean, it's the Magic.
How much can you really talk about them? At this day?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
We call them for forty five plus minutes, and they
are I really do believe that the Magic are like
a giant hiding in playing sight. But the problem is
is that like even their own front office apparently can't
see it right. And that's the real thing, that's the
real issue here.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
My one of my Danish podcast partners, he's basically saying,
he said for a while, I don't think Orlando as
an organization should exist. And it's like every time I
talk about Orlando, I get him in the back of
my mind. He's and he's kind of evolved it as
time goes on, Like first it was the organization, now
it's this, it's the city of Orlando should not exist.

(50:16):
I'm just waiting for him to branch into Florida. Like
I actually do think there's a lot of excitement going
on around this team. I signed them pretty exciting myself,
as long as they don't go into these droughts of
these slock fests where it's like, oh, we're going to
average eighty one over the next three games, Like, no.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Yeah, they're out of it. We didn't talk about this
nearly enough. Like they're out of excuses, there's no more
waiting on, like maybe this guy pops, And like the offense, no,
there's just I know you had injuries, but like we
now have. You've lost in the playoffs two years in
a row, exactly how everyone expected you to agree it
was the Celtics. You put them through hell defensively, but
like your offense is just so constantly operating in the

(50:57):
muck and there's no more excuses. And I don't think
it's I don't necessarily think it's the problem of any
one player on the roster. It's just that this collection
of talent very clearly needs one or two very specific
types of other talents to be optimized.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Right. You know what's going to be interesting. It's going
to be in three years, because that is the length
that they gave Vooche, Aaron Gordon and Evan forty. They
gave them six seasons together to see if something magical
would happen. It didn't, obviously, it just ended on a dud.
But I think that like I will give them this

(51:31):
to give a core that many years together to see
if they can figure it out. Shows patience. That is
something that a lot of teams could learn from because
they are like two quick on the trigger to get
out of a situation. So it's going to be interesting
to see how Orlando bo stays the cores with the
current nucleus and how they add to it.

Speaker 1 (51:51):
Moret Tell everyone where they can find you and all
your work, please.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Yeah, you can find me over at blue Sky at
MSJ NBA, where I share links from Yahoo, from Forbes,
and from the Danish podcast and of course the one
in English that you're listening to right now as well.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Yes, but you do not share links to the NBA podcast.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
What is that about? You know what that is? Because
you are quicker than me. It's the same file. So
I just repost you.

Speaker 1 (52:17):
Sometimes you publish before I do, though, so that's also.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I know I'm look if you really Actually, I'm actually
lying to everyone because I I always forget to go
in and attach my links to Forbes, for example, and
I even think I'm like behind on three articles or
at Yahoo. So I have to do a lot better
of just pimping my work. I'm just too busy doing
a lot of stuff I'm too busy working and podcasting

(52:42):
with you. That's the thing.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
What though you're not watching basketball clearly with some of
these takes.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Oh okay, okay, mister, I didn't say that. I oh man,
all

Speaker 1 (52:58):
Right, all right, until next time, and as always, with you,
with the shout out to the one, the only, the
one player who actually can fix Orlando Magic's problems across
the board, mister Frank Nila Keina