November 9, 2023 • 26 mins
Katy Grimes from the outstanding California Globe joins Jack & Joe to talk about California's Deep State, Kevin McCarthy's fundraising acumen...and the rise of VP Kamala Harris!!!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
A very special guest, and I'm deeply in love with
her intellect. It's Armstrong and Getty extra.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Large because it's two hours. Luckily, this is Armstrong and
Getty extra large.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I just I feel like that was too much. I've
said that on the air before. Yeah, but I'm very open.
It's different in person. Now with her in the room.
Are you to feel her ass? HR is right down
the hallway?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh, you don't know that I was an HR director
for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
He violated like five different California laws, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's okay, I was the meanest HR director alive.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Really, you just say to him, get over it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
That's exactly pretty much what would happen.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Katie Grimes of The California Globe joins us. Katie, I
don't know if this ever gets back to you, how
many times we've said how great you are and how
great the California Globe is.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It is a beacon of light in the darkness of
the non coverage of how crazy California politics are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Thank you. That is exactly what we want to do.
Be is to not only do state House coverage, but
cover the stuff that the mainstream media won't I think
we are well.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And again we'll get into some of the details of
that sort of stuff in a second. But it's amazing
how much of just what anybody can see with their
own eyes if you just like go to the mall
or drive down the street, doesn't get covered much in California.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, it doesn't fit certain agendas, even if reporters have
the intellectual curiosity to do it. Sometimes their editors nix
it or take things out of the articles or add
things in. It's a very frustrating place to be right now.
And news coverage well.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And it's funny of the many comments that we get
a lot or have gotten a lot through our careers.
People say, wow, you guys have been really really successful
in like all blue areas, liberal area states and that
sort of thing, although we're all over the country now.
And I always tell them, Look, if you lose every election,
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even fifty five forty.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Five, that's a landslide. You got murdered.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You have no chance electorally if you can only get
up to forty five percent. But you got forty five
percent of the population that feels completely unrepresented and like
they're getting kicked constantly. And then they watched this incredible,
gorgeous state get ruined, and I think they enjoy hearing
somebody who says, no, you're not crazy, You're right.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, exactly. They we get told a lot. Oh, I
feel I'm so alone. You know, I live in like,
I live in a liberal bastion just south of downtown Sacramento,
and my views aren't very popular in that neighborhood. And
so I know what a lot of people feel like
in the state.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, they don't dare pipe up at work or whatever.
Which is it's a bad way to be.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, it is. It's it's also very unhealthy. I mean,
I actually believe in the balance of a two party
system because people are fairly represented. There's give and take,
there's compromise, which is the only way you can get
policy passed. And in our state we don't have that,
and so it's pretty dangerous place right now.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, I I've experienced it both ways. When we're in
North Carolina at the time it was basically a one
party system Republicans. But it allows for excesses the other direction.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yes, it does, exactly. And I tell people who some
people introduce me as a conservative journalist, and I say Actually,
I'm just a journalist. I report the news. I report
the truth. If it was all Republicans in the California
State Capitol right now, I'd be covering it pretty much
the same way because there'd be a lot of jerks.
There'd be some good ones, but it would be kind
of one sided policy getting passed, and that's not.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Healthy, right, not to mention just the manipulation of the
arms of government to make yourself and your cronies rich. Yeah,
I mean, I guess I'm more hot to trot for
the ideological stuff because it makes me insane and it
affects people in their lives and that sort of thing.
But yeah, I mean, you could just focus on the
graft and dishonesty and be busy all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I wish I had a reporter I could assign
just to that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We're going to get to the topics you want to
get to. But how do these various people not come
to Sacramento. Like you get an elected assemblyman way far
away or wherever, and you know, and you come to
Sacramento and then like you're driving around Sacramento and you
see all these tents and everything everywhere, and you don't
think whoa Things are out of control here.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Unfortunately, right now, I've been quoted as saying on air,
the stupid people are running everything, and unfortunately a lot
of stupid people are also getting elected. And they don't care.
They just want to hold elected office. They want the
love from the groupies. They want to have staff, people
who chase them around all day and make them feel important.
And they're very happy to do the business of the
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special interests that paid for them to get into office.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, they're either delusional, stupid or cynical.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Is it a pretty good life to be just a
like run of the mill Democrat assemblement? I mean, do
you make good money eventually.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Or yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
They get adoration, probably go out to eat a nice
restaurants every.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Night, yep, yep, and you get to go to fundraisers
yours and other. As I said, people follow you around,
they drive you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, I could see get into used to that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Some of them have their staff pick up their dry
cleaning and clean their apartments. So yeah, it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And then one of the many unions promises you a
high paying consulting gig when you get out, so you're.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Said, exactly a good way to be.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's at works.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So we're dabbling in the article you wrote. We quote
you all the time. But when I read a piece
you put out, I guess a couple of weeks ago,
California's capital has a deep state. I thought it was
super interesting about California, but just interesting about the way
legislatures work. Yes, and I learned a lot from it.
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You can start wherever you want. What would surprise people
most about who has the power and or how the
money flows through the capital of a big rich state.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Well in California, without getting two into the weeds, this
is what we have today is the result of term limits.
And term limits always strengthen the power of the full
time staffers. And so, as I put in the article,
I knew a fellow who was appointee back in Washington,
DC years ago, and when he went into his brand
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new office and met his brand new staff, some people
were a little hostile to him, and so he pulled
them into his office quietly and said, Hey, what's the problem.
And they said, Hey, we're the weebies. We be here
before you, we be here after you, and you do
what we say.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Wow, It's so counterintuitive because you know, we all think
the way to fix government is to get these people
out of here term limits they are there forever. But
this is the way it really works.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and unfortunately, intellectually, it is the right way. You
need fresh blood. You can't have the same people, you know,
dictating policy for decades. But as we were warned, and
I voted for term limits, as we were warned ahead
of it, the politicians would just figure out how to
manipulate the system. That's why we have them, you know.
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We finally do turn them out, but then they go
back and they take up a city council seat in
Los Angeles or San Diego. And that's not what the
spirit of the term limits was.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And I'm told that not only the staffers who support
the attitude you're describing, but the lobbyists get enormous power too, Yes,
because the newbies have to have them explain.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The issues exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And that's kind of the other part. The Third House
is running an awful lot. And that's the whole lobbying community.
Not to say lobbyists are bad people. Some are, some aren't,
some are, Some represent small businesses, some represent big oil.
You know, you have them from every imaginable industry, and
those industries do need them, there's no doubt about that.
But they do wield an awful lot of power. The
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balance of power is definitely off as capital.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
This just popped in my head. Is there any limit
onlike how much a lobbyist can give to staff people
in terms of taking them out to eat and putting
them up at a hotel or anything like.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Guess staff do also have to file the farm seven
hundred every quarter.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But smart people probably find a way around it, I'm
sure more or less.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, the stuff you had to say about the current
state of the Republican Party, aside from being pathetic, the
whys were pretty interesting to me. What's going on with
the Republicans?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Too many of them see themselves as managing the decline
and they're happy to have the seat to do it.
And that's just the hard, cold reality. I do think
that they get elected and they have good intentions. They
want to come up to Sacramento and hopefully, you know,
make a name for themselves as that Republican who fought hard.
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But as we just described the state of the Capitol,
they get there and the staff quickly whisk them aside
and say, do not talk about abortion or do not
talk about parental rights. Those are off limit topics.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And these are Republican staffers who presumably have at least
some Republican values, And how does that help them manage
the decline?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
That's just it. I think it's to me, it's like
Stockholm syndrome. They're not managing anything at all if they
wanted to manage something. And I've been asked by a
lot of them when they first get elected, you know,
what do we do? We know we're the minority party,
but what do we do? And to me, it's easy,
you know, stand up and scream and yell about what
your Democrat colleagues are doing, the kinds of policies they're
passing that are just anti parent, family business, you know,
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anti California. It's not hard, but so many of them cave, very,
very That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I don't quite understand that because you're if your number
one goal is to stay in office, going along to
get along doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's kind of like musical chairs somebody's you know, most
of them are still going to get a chair left
when the music stops, but there's usually somebody that's kind
of kicked out.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Now I know this. This was many years ago when
we weren't near at political on this show, and I
wish I'd remembered the name and everything like that. But
I'm coming back from Las Vegas, I'm half drunk, and
I end up sitting in the back of the plane
with this other guy that was beyond half drunk, who
is one of the high staffers for one of the
big well known Republican names, and I don't remember who
it was at the time, but he told me that
exact stuff. He said, Oh, no, we're all screwed. There's
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no chance we're ever going to be in Our job
is to just stay in office. And he was like
so honest that he was really drunk, but he was
so honest about all this stuff, And I thought, Wow,
is it that cynical? Are we that shot through with
cynicism all all the way up and down where it's
just like, no, it's managed the thing decline. They had
clearly given up.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, And that's what was shocking to me. I think
I'm idealistic enough to believe they go up there with
fight right, and it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know, another aspect of your article about California's deep
state that was totally not intuitive to me, and I
had no idea.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'll just read you.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ah, you're talking about people fleeing California for red states,
et cetera. The Democrats have caused this mass migration. What
have California Republicans done? As we reported recently, quote, California
GOP leadership are completely beholden to the McCarthy mafia and
kept everyone in line because they control the flow of money.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's that all about.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
A lawmaker told me that that's why it's in quotes. Okay,
And yeah, obviously a lawmaker who didn't get any Kevin
McCarthy money to get elected.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, So what do you take the McCarthy maffey to be.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Well, Kevin McCarthy, you know, used to be a state legislator.
As you know, he's been in politics a long time
and controls a lot of money. It's one of the
reasons he ended up as speaker. And unfortunately, prior to
Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy becoming speaker, which the qualifications
were just you have to be a good fundraiser. There
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were other qualifications. Yeah, he's just a great fundraiser and
everybody wants a piece of his pie.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what line does he want? Did he want?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I assume he's still pretty powerful, but yeah, so what
line does he want them to tow to get the money?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And it's it's And the reason I included that with
a link to an article I wrote not long ago
about that is the California GOP a few years ago
was kind of taken over by the Moderates and we've
only lost seats since then. It's only become worse and worse.
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But he's part of that. He helped fund the debt
payment that the GOP needed the state political party, and
there are a lot of politicians who are just beholden
to him. It's a big power position.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So he helps them get re elected in there, and.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
They don't dare speak their minds unless.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, exactly. To me, it's just as bad as the
other party.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, well that's discouraging.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We moved to California ninety six when Pete Wilson was
was he about to serve a second term or was
in the middle of it, I can't remember, but it
was a purple state.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yes, it was, and not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The transition's been astonishing. I mean, we've gone from Purple
State to like El Salvador.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Seriously, I agree. Yeah, I'm a native, so I've watched
this also from a front row seat. Yeah, it's it's
there's an interesting phenomenon. I think that happened. And again,
it happened kind of in the lobbying consultant community some
years ago. You've probably you've heard of Richie Ross that,
you know, kind of the famous king maker in California.
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Willie Brown's consultant and he's been you know, many many
other major players consultants. He figured out and had the
Democrats do this in La as an experiment. They decided
that they weren't going to get just more of the
Hispanic vote. That wouldn't be enough. They needed to get
every member of that person's family to vote. And so
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there was this huge effort to you know, get out
the Hispanic vote. And but that's really what they were doing.
They were making sure that entire families, entire communities, entire
churches voted. And it comp deletely, I think it destroyed
Los Angeles and that's unfortunately where the bulk of the
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election fraud comes in. Also, Los Angeles County is just
a nightmare. And I do think that then that was
like back in that's the late nineties, and so your
observation's right. It was lovely, wonderful, a pretty healthy state
up until then, and then something happened that just like
triggered it, and we just started losing Republican races up
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and down the state and it all went to hell.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It seems to me, it's becoming more clear to me
at the federal level, and then the state stuff is
just most people in politics just want to stay in office, yes,
And to stay in office, you have to win the
next election. And it takes a lot of money to
win an election. And so your I have to be
beholden to somebody because where's that money coming from? Sure,
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And that's just the way the whole thing works. H. L.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Menkin was writing about that damn near one hundred, well
one hundred years ago, about you got three three jobs.
One get power to retain power, and three, if you
have time, do something for your poor constituents.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But it's third place at best.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Do you have any idea how much money you need
to run for an assembly person in California or state senator.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I'm glad. You know, we've all heard the numbers at
the betteral level. It's astounding.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm sure it's higher than it ought to be in California.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, if you if you're in one of the very
few competitive districts, yeah, it's going to be super expensive.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But good point.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know, I almost said something, but I'm determined. I
almost told you a little story. But I'm determined to
hand this question to you. Tabula rasa as a blank
slate for people listening to this podcast around the country,
please do explain Kamala Harris's rise.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Oh you're gonna make me wow, because I've followed her
a long time. I'm starting It all started with sex,
really with Willie Brown. Everybody knows it. It's the story. Yeah,
it was the casting couch audition that landed her in politics.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Just being the girlfriend of the most powerful man in
California politics for like the last seventy five years is
a good career.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well what was she doing when she caught the eye
of Willie Brown.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Showing cleavage? I don't know, that's pretty funny. Literally, I
think she was I don't know, you know, crossing her legs.
I think she was a young lawyer in you know,
hanging out with politicians in San Francisco, caught Willie Brown's eye,
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and you know, the rest is history. She truly is
one of those people who's failed up similarly to Gavin Newsom,
because think about it, if you're a Democrat in San Francisco,
even back in the nineties, there's no competition. What Republican's
going to beat you, even for you know, the dogcatcher,
It's not going to happen. And so she never had
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any competition really for San Francisco DA when she ran
for Attorney general. I'm trying to remember who ran against her,
Dan Lungren maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
As far as you can tell, and you know, be
completely honest about this. Do you know anybody who like
respects her judgment and inelect?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Nope. I attended her swearing in for Attorney General. And
this was so wild because it was let's see twenty ten,
I believe eleven, and so Obama had been president for
two years. Up to that point, she'd been known as Kamala.
At the swearing in, people her people were walking around
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telling everybody make sure, you call her Kamala gotta sound
like Obama.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh that's okay.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Well, wow, that's how shallow these people are.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, So that was the one takeaway I think.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Because she she doesn't seem that bright, and she doesn't
seem to have any particular skills like you know, people's
skills or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
She the one thing she's good at is that superior tone.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You need to answer the question she is good at that?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, yes, a bit of one yes trick? Can I say?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I feel like there's gotta be something missing me? You
can't just be attractive and have a superior tone and
a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
In a one party state. Yes, are you gonna run
somebody against Willie Brown's girlfriend? But aren't there other Democrats
that wanted her jobs that?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh? I'm sure. Yeah, But she also has just as
Gavin Newsom has the backing of Silicon Valley and nobody
can penetrate that.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And the Pelosi family and everything else. So the story
I wasn't gonna tell, and Jack's heard this, but I
have a couple of friends, a handful who were or
are in very high levels of law enforcement and worked
on state federal task forces and that sort of thing,
and regularly met with the Attorney General and we'd be
playing golf or something and they would say, Joe Kamala
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Harris is a dope, and I would I would be like,
all right, fellas.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm conservative, you're a conservative.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I know it's Willie n She's not a she can't
be a dope, Joe, she's a dope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They met with the regular Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And so finally when she became vice president and began
with the it is time for us to do what
we have been doing nonsense, they would text me and
harass me.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Believe me now, believe me now?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So good. Yeah, and there are so many of those stories.
When she was DA, she was a nightmare, absolute cluster,
you know what. Nightmare?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, and then she was tough on crime, and then
she comes a g and she's soft on crime, so
she'll do or say whatever is necessary.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Okay, So she's not only not particularly bright, but she's
not principled either.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Correct, you're kidding, I know, you're shock.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah. I had another question. Well, she doesn't pull well
even in her places where back now, places where people
know where she pulls worse than Oh.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think she probably when it comes down
to it has obnoxious personality disorder. In my family, we
call that OPD.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I heard it described as a charisma bypass operation.
So Gavy Newsome is fully aroused by the idea of
walking into the Oval Office as president. I mean he's
he's fevered with desire for the office.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yes, he is.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
The knock on him is obvious. The ads right themselves,
the videos are already recorded. Is he smart enough because
he's a He is a good spinner of bull crap,
like I've seen him on Hannity and all of his
The high cost of living is given California this problem
with homelessness, and we are attacking it on every front.
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I am serious. We need accountability and I have called
for accountability. He's pretty good at that crap. Is good enough,
you know.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I was kind of surprised that Hannady didn't call him
out on that. I was pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I wanted that bait to happen on his shirt.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Huh. I think there was an edict that came down
from the Murdochs. Just make it happen.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Let all you know what the viewership is going to
be on Handity's show for Newsome dissantis, it's going to
be one of the most watched things in recent memory, right.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and Hannity's no fool.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
As Jack pointed out the next day, they were great
foils for each other and you could tell they'd agreed that, Hey,
we're going to keep this gentlemanly. You're going to please
the crap out of your side. I'm going to make
my side happy, and this is great for both of us.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I remember, if it bleeds, it leads, So that's
all they care about. And that's so frustrating to me.
It's not a debate, it's a it's not a hardcore,
hard hitting interview with tough questions. I mean, Hannity really
didn't ask him tough questions. All he'd have to do
is Peru's some California media reports on Newsom to have
done a better job.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But so if if Biden, you know, wanders off the
stage and falls in the Potomac or something like that,
aren't Gavin and commonly going to have to compete against
each other at some points.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Which could be delicious. But I also have heard via
some DC sources that Gretchen Whitmer's in the running.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Also, I keep hearing Josh Shapiro's name too from Pennsylvania.
But so my hair brain theory is that the Democratic
Party elders are going to go to Kamala, Kamala Kamala
and say to her and it'll be It'll be like
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when the Republicans confronted Nixon, all the heavies went into
the ovalops. They're going to go to her and say,
we are going to allow you to be humiliated in
a manner no politicians ever been humiliated. You will be
beaten like a rented mule, or you can accept going
back to the Senate for life. For the rest of
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your natural life. We will make sure you're a California senator.
Do you think that's completely KOOKI do you think she'd
go for that.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I don't think it's kookie at all. I'm not so
sure she wants to work that hard. She may just
require like a vacation home in Lake Cuomo or something.
I think she's kind of got that Michelle Obama thing,
you know, she loves the fame and glory but has
the lazy streak and doesn't want to work that hard.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Interesting, who's a favorite of the California powerful though, between
Newsom and kam laugh you can only have one.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I would think they would go for Newsom, okay, Oh,
because he is a more effective politician sadly.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah yeah, huh. Well we're screwed, I think, is the takeaway.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, I know, we can hope for a miracle. I
can't imagine anybody else though, given the international chops Newsom's
been trying to burnish. Yeah, as well as the national child,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Like such a kind of like tired easy knock to
go at Kamlin say she was sleeping with Willie Brown,
but you think that actually was That's how it started
the key to her get launching.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, I do. I was a young intern with a
lobbying association in the mid eighties and you know, back
and forth to the Capitol every day and watched this
kind of stuff happen. It was gross, but it's pretty common.
And that was back during Willy Brown's era too. Yeah,
and he was oh powerful kingmaker.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh and even after he left office. See that's the
thing to remember this, Like I said, the idea of
I'm going to run against Willy Brown's girlfriend and maybe
I'll lose, but I'll still be doing fine in democratic
circles in this in this state. That's not the way
it works. He'd cut you off, he'd at the knees,
he'd murder you politically.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
One of the great things. We got to do a
lot of radio shows with Willy Brown, and it was
great to get to do that. Just so I because
I've always read about people with you know, good politicians,
with charisman all that sort of stuff, but I've never
really been around one. Getting to be around him, Okay,
I get it, I get it. So this is what
built Clinton's probably like, this is what you know. So
that's what it feels like to be around because he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah he was. He was a fascinating fellow. Obviously a
very successful and talented politician too.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Well, Like he walks in the room and somehow he
makes me feel better about myself.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh yeah, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter what you
disagree on. He is completely focused on you making you
feel important.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's a weird genetic thing that some politicians have.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Have you noticed that's missing from politics today?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Most of them are so boring. You're going, you know,
how can I get out of here?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Fast enough Ron De Santis, for instance. Yes, I mean
on paper, on paper.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, please, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Willie Brown an excellent politician, but a better real estate investor.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Look it up, folks.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's funny how he bought that property just
before the state announced the contract too.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, yeah, it works there, it is.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Katie Grimes, who are such big fans, we appreciate you.
In some time, I hope we can do it again.
And folks, if you're listening, well, if you're not listening,
you're not going to hear this. What the hell kind
of thing is that to say? As you listen? You
gotta be checking the California Globe constantly if you're a
Californian or just interested in California politics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's fabulous.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I got one more question. We saw the polling that
Biden is now upside down in California. Is that about Israel?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I'm sure it is, yes, and yeah, and the Arab
voters and Muslim voters are very unhappy with him, and
we have them here in California too.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't think there's any getting out of that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Of course, he's you know, he's gonna be with God
soon so it doesn't really matter, but geez, it's a
no win situation for the old fellaw Definitely yeah, extra
large
A very special guest, and I'm deeply in love with
her intellect. It's Armstrong and Getty extra.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
Large because it's two hours. Luckily, this is Armstrong and
Getty extra large.
Speaker 3 (00:13):
I just I feel like that was too much. I've
said that on the air before. Yeah, but I'm very open.
It's different in person. Now with her in the room.
Are you to feel her ass? HR is right down
the hallway?
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Oh, you don't know that I was an HR director
for twenty years.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
He violated like five different California laws, didn't he.
Speaker 4 (00:30):
It's okay, I was the meanest HR director alive.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Really, you just say to him, get over it.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
That's exactly pretty much what would happen.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Katie Grimes of The California Globe joins us. Katie, I
don't know if this ever gets back to you, how
many times we've said how great you are and how
great the California Globe is.
Speaker 4 (00:48):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
It is.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
It is a beacon of light in the darkness of
the non coverage of how crazy California politics are.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Thank you. That is exactly what we want to do.
Be is to not only do state House coverage, but
cover the stuff that the mainstream media won't I think
we are well.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
And again we'll get into some of the details of
that sort of stuff in a second. But it's amazing
how much of just what anybody can see with their
own eyes if you just like go to the mall
or drive down the street, doesn't get covered much in California.
Speaker 4 (01:23):
Yeah, it doesn't fit certain agendas, even if reporters have
the intellectual curiosity to do it. Sometimes their editors nix
it or take things out of the articles or add
things in. It's a very frustrating place to be right now.
And news coverage well.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
And it's funny of the many comments that we get
a lot or have gotten a lot through our careers.
People say, wow, you guys have been really really successful
in like all blue areas, liberal area states and that
sort of thing, although we're all over the country now.
And I always tell them, Look, if you lose every election,
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even fifty five forty.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Five, that's a landslide. You got murdered.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
You have no chance electorally if you can only get
up to forty five percent. But you got forty five
percent of the population that feels completely unrepresented and like
they're getting kicked constantly. And then they watched this incredible,
gorgeous state get ruined, and I think they enjoy hearing
somebody who says, no, you're not crazy, You're right.
Speaker 4 (02:26):
Yeah, exactly. They we get told a lot. Oh, I
feel I'm so alone. You know, I live in like,
I live in a liberal bastion just south of downtown Sacramento,
and my views aren't very popular in that neighborhood. And
so I know what a lot of people feel like
in the state.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
Yeah, they don't dare pipe up at work or whatever.
Which is it's a bad way to be.
Speaker 4 (02:46):
Yeah, it is. It's it's also very unhealthy. I mean,
I actually believe in the balance of a two party
system because people are fairly represented. There's give and take,
there's compromise, which is the only way you can get
policy passed. And in our state we don't have that,
and so it's pretty dangerous place right now.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Yeah, I I've experienced it both ways. When we're in
North Carolina at the time it was basically a one
party system Republicans. But it allows for excesses the other direction.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Yes, it does, exactly. And I tell people who some
people introduce me as a conservative journalist, and I say Actually,
I'm just a journalist. I report the news. I report
the truth. If it was all Republicans in the California
State Capitol right now, I'd be covering it pretty much
the same way because there'd be a lot of jerks.
There'd be some good ones, but it would be kind
of one sided policy getting passed, and that's not.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Healthy, right, not to mention just the manipulation of the
arms of government to make yourself and your cronies rich. Yeah,
I mean, I guess I'm more hot to trot for
the ideological stuff because it makes me insane and it
affects people in their lives and that sort of thing.
But yeah, I mean, you could just focus on the
graft and dishonesty and be busy all the time.
Speaker 4 (03:55):
Yeah, I wish I had a reporter I could assign
just to that.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
Yeah I did.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
We're going to get to the topics you want to
get to. But how do these various people not come
to Sacramento. Like you get an elected assemblyman way far
away or wherever, and you know, and you come to
Sacramento and then like you're driving around Sacramento and you
see all these tents and everything everywhere, and you don't
think whoa Things are out of control here.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Unfortunately, right now, I've been quoted as saying on air,
the stupid people are running everything, and unfortunately a lot
of stupid people are also getting elected. And they don't care.
They just want to hold elected office. They want the
love from the groupies. They want to have staff, people
who chase them around all day and make them feel important.
And they're very happy to do the business of the
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special interests that paid for them to get into office.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Yeah, they're either delusional, stupid or cynical.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Is it a pretty good life to be just a
like run of the mill Democrat assemblement? I mean, do
you make good money eventually.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Or yeah they do.
Speaker 3 (04:53):
They get adoration, probably go out to eat a nice
restaurants every.
Speaker 4 (04:56):
Night, yep, yep, and you get to go to fundraisers
yours and other. As I said, people follow you around,
they drive you everywhere.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Yeah, yeah, I could see get into used to that.
Speaker 4 (05:05):
Some of them have their staff pick up their dry
cleaning and clean their apartments. So yeah, it's lovely.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
And then one of the many unions promises you a
high paying consulting gig when you get out, so you're.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Said, exactly a good way to be.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
That's at works.
Speaker 1 (05:18):
So we're dabbling in the article you wrote. We quote
you all the time. But when I read a piece
you put out, I guess a couple of weeks ago,
California's capital has a deep state. I thought it was
super interesting about California, but just interesting about the way
legislatures work. Yes, and I learned a lot from it.
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You can start wherever you want. What would surprise people
most about who has the power and or how the
money flows through the capital of a big rich state.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
Well in California, without getting two into the weeds, this
is what we have today is the result of term limits.
And term limits always strengthen the power of the full
time staffers. And so, as I put in the article,
I knew a fellow who was appointee back in Washington,
DC years ago, and when he went into his brand
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new office and met his brand new staff, some people
were a little hostile to him, and so he pulled
them into his office quietly and said, Hey, what's the problem.
And they said, Hey, we're the weebies. We be here
before you, we be here after you, and you do
what we say.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
Wow, It's so counterintuitive because you know, we all think
the way to fix government is to get these people
out of here term limits they are there forever. But
this is the way it really works.
Speaker 4 (06:36):
Yeah, and unfortunately, intellectually, it is the right way. You
need fresh blood. You can't have the same people, you know,
dictating policy for decades. But as we were warned, and
I voted for term limits, as we were warned ahead
of it, the politicians would just figure out how to
manipulate the system. That's why we have them, you know.
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We finally do turn them out, but then they go
back and they take up a city council seat in
Los Angeles or San Diego. And that's not what the
spirit of the term limits was.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
And I'm told that not only the staffers who support
the attitude you're describing, but the lobbyists get enormous power too, Yes,
because the newbies have to have them explain.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
The issues exactly.
Speaker 4 (07:18):
And that's kind of the other part. The Third House
is running an awful lot. And that's the whole lobbying community.
Not to say lobbyists are bad people. Some are, some aren't,
some are, Some represent small businesses, some represent big oil.
You know, you have them from every imaginable industry, and
those industries do need them, there's no doubt about that.
But they do wield an awful lot of power. The
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balance of power is definitely off as capital.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
This just popped in my head. Is there any limit
onlike how much a lobbyist can give to staff people
in terms of taking them out to eat and putting
them up at a hotel or anything like.
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Guess staff do also have to file the farm seven
hundred every quarter.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
But smart people probably find a way around it, I'm
sure more or less.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
Yeah, the stuff you had to say about the current
state of the Republican Party, aside from being pathetic, the
whys were pretty interesting to me. What's going on with
the Republicans?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Too many of them see themselves as managing the decline
and they're happy to have the seat to do it.
And that's just the hard, cold reality. I do think
that they get elected and they have good intentions. They
want to come up to Sacramento and hopefully, you know,
make a name for themselves as that Republican who fought hard.
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But as we just described the state of the Capitol,
they get there and the staff quickly whisk them aside
and say, do not talk about abortion or do not
talk about parental rights. Those are off limit topics.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
And these are Republican staffers who presumably have at least
some Republican values, And how does that help them manage
the decline?
Speaker 4 (08:56):
That's just it. I think it's to me, it's like
Stockholm syndrome. They're not managing anything at all if they
wanted to manage something. And I've been asked by a
lot of them when they first get elected, you know,
what do we do? We know we're the minority party,
but what do we do? And to me, it's easy,
you know, stand up and scream and yell about what
your Democrat colleagues are doing, the kinds of policies they're
passing that are just anti parent, family business, you know,
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anti California. It's not hard, but so many of them cave, very,
very That's interesting.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
I don't quite understand that because you're if your number
one goal is to stay in office, going along to
get along doesn't seem like the best way to do it.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
It's kind of like musical chairs somebody's you know, most
of them are still going to get a chair left
when the music stops, but there's usually somebody that's kind
of kicked out.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
Now I know this. This was many years ago when
we weren't near at political on this show, and I
wish I'd remembered the name and everything like that. But
I'm coming back from Las Vegas, I'm half drunk, and
I end up sitting in the back of the plane
with this other guy that was beyond half drunk, who
is one of the high staffers for one of the
big well known Republican names, and I don't remember who
it was at the time, but he told me that
exact stuff. He said, Oh, no, we're all screwed. There's
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no chance we're ever going to be in Our job
is to just stay in office. And he was like
so honest that he was really drunk, but he was
so honest about all this stuff, And I thought, Wow,
is it that cynical? Are we that shot through with
cynicism all all the way up and down where it's
just like, no, it's managed the thing decline. They had
clearly given up.
Speaker 4 (10:26):
Yeah, And that's what was shocking to me. I think
I'm idealistic enough to believe they go up there with
fight right, and it doesn't translate.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
You know, another aspect of your article about California's deep
state that was totally not intuitive to me, and I
had no idea.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
I'll just read you.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
Ah, you're talking about people fleeing California for red states,
et cetera. The Democrats have caused this mass migration. What
have California Republicans done? As we reported recently, quote, California
GOP leadership are completely beholden to the McCarthy mafia and
kept everyone in line because they control the flow of money.
Speaker 2 (11:03):
What's that all about.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
A lawmaker told me that that's why it's in quotes. Okay,
And yeah, obviously a lawmaker who didn't get any Kevin
McCarthy money to get elected.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, So what do you take the McCarthy maffey to be.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
Well, Kevin McCarthy, you know, used to be a state legislator.
As you know, he's been in politics a long time
and controls a lot of money. It's one of the
reasons he ended up as speaker. And unfortunately, prior to
Nancy Pelosi and Kevin McCarthy becoming speaker, which the qualifications
were just you have to be a good fundraiser. There
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were other qualifications. Yeah, he's just a great fundraiser and
everybody wants a piece of his pie.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
So what line does he want? Did he want?
Speaker 1 (11:46):
I assume he's still pretty powerful, but yeah, so what
line does he want them to tow to get the money?
Speaker 4 (11:53):
And it's it's And the reason I included that with
a link to an article I wrote not long ago
about that is the California GOP a few years ago
was kind of taken over by the Moderates and we've
only lost seats since then. It's only become worse and worse.
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But he's part of that. He helped fund the debt
payment that the GOP needed the state political party, and
there are a lot of politicians who are just beholden
to him. It's a big power position.
Speaker 3 (12:29):
So he helps them get re elected in there, and.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
They don't dare speak their minds unless.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Yeah, exactly. To me, it's just as bad as the
other party.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Yeah, yeah, well that's discouraging.
Speaker 1 (12:40):
We moved to California ninety six when Pete Wilson was
was he about to serve a second term or was
in the middle of it, I can't remember, but it
was a purple state.
Speaker 4 (12:50):
Yes, it was, and not that long ago.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
The transition's been astonishing. I mean, we've gone from Purple
State to like El Salvador.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Seriously, I agree. Yeah, I'm a native, so I've watched
this also from a front row seat. Yeah, it's it's
there's an interesting phenomenon. I think that happened. And again,
it happened kind of in the lobbying consultant community some
years ago. You've probably you've heard of Richie Ross that,
you know, kind of the famous king maker in California.
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Willie Brown's consultant and he's been you know, many many
other major players consultants. He figured out and had the
Democrats do this in La as an experiment. They decided
that they weren't going to get just more of the
Hispanic vote. That wouldn't be enough. They needed to get
every member of that person's family to vote. And so
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there was this huge effort to you know, get out
the Hispanic vote. And but that's really what they were doing.
They were making sure that entire families, entire communities, entire
churches voted. And it comp deletely, I think it destroyed
Los Angeles and that's unfortunately where the bulk of the
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election fraud comes in. Also, Los Angeles County is just
a nightmare. And I do think that then that was
like back in that's the late nineties, and so your
observation's right. It was lovely, wonderful, a pretty healthy state
up until then, and then something happened that just like
triggered it, and we just started losing Republican races up
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and down the state and it all went to hell.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
It seems to me, it's becoming more clear to me
at the federal level, and then the state stuff is
just most people in politics just want to stay in office, yes,
And to stay in office, you have to win the
next election. And it takes a lot of money to
win an election. And so your I have to be
beholden to somebody because where's that money coming from? Sure,
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And that's just the way the whole thing works. H. L.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Menkin was writing about that damn near one hundred, well
one hundred years ago, about you got three three jobs.
One get power to retain power, and three, if you
have time, do something for your poor constituents.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
But it's third place at best.
Speaker 3 (15:08):
Do you have any idea how much money you need
to run for an assembly person in California or state senator.
Speaker 4 (15:13):
Actually, I don't know.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
I'm glad. You know, we've all heard the numbers at
the betteral level. It's astounding.
Speaker 4 (15:19):
I know.
Speaker 3 (15:19):
I'm sure it's higher than it ought to be in California.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Well, if you if you're in one of the very
few competitive districts, yeah, it's going to be super expensive.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
But good point.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
You know, I almost said something, but I'm determined. I
almost told you a little story. But I'm determined to
hand this question to you. Tabula rasa as a blank
slate for people listening to this podcast around the country,
please do explain Kamala Harris's rise.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
Oh you're gonna make me wow, because I've followed her
a long time. I'm starting It all started with sex,
really with Willie Brown. Everybody knows it. It's the story. Yeah,
it was the casting couch audition that landed her in politics.
Speaker 1 (16:04):
Just being the girlfriend of the most powerful man in
California politics for like the last seventy five years is
a good career.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Well what was she doing when she caught the eye
of Willie Brown.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
Showing cleavage? I don't know, that's pretty funny. Literally, I
think she was I don't know, you know, crossing her legs.
I think she was a young lawyer in you know,
hanging out with politicians in San Francisco, caught Willie Brown's eye,
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and you know, the rest is history. She truly is
one of those people who's failed up similarly to Gavin Newsom,
because think about it, if you're a Democrat in San Francisco,
even back in the nineties, there's no competition. What Republican's
going to beat you, even for you know, the dogcatcher,
It's not going to happen. And so she never had
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any competition really for San Francisco DA when she ran
for Attorney general. I'm trying to remember who ran against her,
Dan Lungren maybe.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
As far as you can tell, and you know, be
completely honest about this. Do you know anybody who like
respects her judgment and inelect?
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Nope?
Speaker 4 (17:20):
Nope. I attended her swearing in for Attorney General. And
this was so wild because it was let's see twenty ten,
I believe eleven, and so Obama had been president for
two years. Up to that point, she'd been known as Kamala.
At the swearing in, people her people were walking around
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telling everybody make sure, you call her Kamala gotta sound
like Obama.
Speaker 3 (17:48):
Oh that's okay.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
Well, wow, that's how shallow these people are.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (17:52):
Yeah, So that was the one takeaway I think.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
Because she she doesn't seem that bright, and she doesn't
seem to have any particular skills like you know, people's
skills or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
She the one thing she's good at is that superior tone.
Speaker 3 (18:07):
You need to answer the question she is good at that?
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Yes, yes, a bit of one yes trick? Can I say?
Speaker 3 (18:13):
I feel like there's gotta be something missing me? You
can't just be attractive and have a superior tone and
a Democrat.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
In a one party state. Yes, are you gonna run
somebody against Willie Brown's girlfriend? But aren't there other Democrats
that wanted her jobs that?
Speaker 4 (18:28):
Oh? I'm sure. Yeah, But she also has just as
Gavin Newsom has the backing of Silicon Valley and nobody
can penetrate that.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
And the Pelosi family and everything else. So the story
I wasn't gonna tell, and Jack's heard this, but I
have a couple of friends, a handful who were or
are in very high levels of law enforcement and worked
on state federal task forces and that sort of thing,
and regularly met with the Attorney General and we'd be
playing golf or something and they would say, Joe Kamala
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Harris is a dope, and I would I would be like,
all right, fellas.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I'm conservative, you're a conservative.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I know it's Willie n She's not a she can't
be a dope, Joe, she's a dope.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They met with the regular Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And so finally when she became vice president and began
with the it is time for us to do what
we have been doing nonsense, they would text me and
harass me.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Believe me now, believe me now?
Speaker 4 (19:25):
So good. Yeah, and there are so many of those stories.
When she was DA, she was a nightmare, absolute cluster,
you know what. Nightmare?
Speaker 2 (19:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Yeah, and then she was tough on crime, and then
she comes a g and she's soft on crime, so
she'll do or say whatever is necessary.
Speaker 3 (19:43):
Okay, So she's not only not particularly bright, but she's
not principled either.
Speaker 4 (19:47):
Correct, you're kidding, I know, you're shock.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
Yeah. I had another question. Well, she doesn't pull well
even in her places where back now, places where people
know where she pulls worse than Oh.
Speaker 4 (19:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think she probably when it comes down
to it has obnoxious personality disorder. In my family, we
call that OPD.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Yeah, I heard it described as a charisma bypass operation.
So Gavy Newsome is fully aroused by the idea of
walking into the Oval Office as president. I mean he's
he's fevered with desire for the office.
Speaker 3 (20:23):
Yes, he is.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
The knock on him is obvious. The ads right themselves,
the videos are already recorded. Is he smart enough because
he's a He is a good spinner of bull crap,
like I've seen him on Hannity and all of his
The high cost of living is given California this problem
with homelessness, and we are attacking it on every front.
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I am serious. We need accountability and I have called
for accountability. He's pretty good at that crap. Is good enough,
you know.
Speaker 4 (20:55):
I was kind of surprised that Hannady didn't call him
out on that. I was pretty disgusting.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
I wanted that bait to happen on his shirt.
Speaker 4 (21:01):
Huh. I think there was an edict that came down
from the Murdochs. Just make it happen.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
Let all you know what the viewership is going to
be on Handity's show for Newsome dissantis, it's going to
be one of the most watched things in recent memory, right.
Speaker 2 (21:14):
Well, and Hannity's no fool.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
As Jack pointed out the next day, they were great
foils for each other and you could tell they'd agreed that, Hey,
we're going to keep this gentlemanly. You're going to please
the crap out of your side. I'm going to make
my side happy, and this is great for both of us.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Yeah, I remember, if it bleeds, it leads, So that's
all they care about. And that's so frustrating to me.
It's not a debate, it's a it's not a hardcore,
hard hitting interview with tough questions. I mean, Hannity really
didn't ask him tough questions. All he'd have to do
is Peru's some California media reports on Newsom to have
done a better job.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
But so if if Biden, you know, wanders off the
stage and falls in the Potomac or something like that,
aren't Gavin and commonly going to have to compete against
each other at some points.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
Which could be delicious. But I also have heard via
some DC sources that Gretchen Whitmer's in the running.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Also, I keep hearing Josh Shapiro's name too from Pennsylvania.
But so my hair brain theory is that the Democratic
Party elders are going to go to Kamala, Kamala Kamala
and say to her and it'll be It'll be like
(22:25):
when the Republicans confronted Nixon, all the heavies went into
the ovalops. They're going to go to her and say,
we are going to allow you to be humiliated in
a manner no politicians ever been humiliated. You will be
beaten like a rented mule, or you can accept going
back to the Senate for life. For the rest of
(22:47):
your natural life. We will make sure you're a California senator.
Do you think that's completely KOOKI do you think she'd
go for that.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
I don't think it's kookie at all. I'm not so
sure she wants to work that hard. She may just
require like a vacation home in Lake Cuomo or something.
I think she's kind of got that Michelle Obama thing,
you know, she loves the fame and glory but has
the lazy streak and doesn't want to work that hard.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
Interesting.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
Interesting, who's a favorite of the California powerful though, between
Newsom and kam laugh you can only have one.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
I would think they would go for Newsom, okay, Oh,
because he is a more effective politician sadly.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
Yeah yeah, huh. Well we're screwed, I think, is the takeaway.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
Yeah, I know, we can hope for a miracle. I
can't imagine anybody else though, given the international chops Newsom's
been trying to burnish. Yeah, as well as the national child,
it seems.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Like such a kind of like tired easy knock to
go at Kamlin say she was sleeping with Willie Brown,
but you think that actually was That's how it started
the key to her get launching.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Yeah, I do. I was a young intern with a
lobbying association in the mid eighties and you know, back
and forth to the Capitol every day and watched this
kind of stuff happen. It was gross, but it's pretty common.
And that was back during Willy Brown's era too. Yeah,
and he was oh powerful kingmaker.
Speaker 1 (24:26):
Oh and even after he left office. See that's the
thing to remember this, Like I said, the idea of
I'm going to run against Willy Brown's girlfriend and maybe
I'll lose, but I'll still be doing fine in democratic
circles in this in this state. That's not the way
it works. He'd cut you off, he'd at the knees,
he'd murder you politically.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
One of the great things. We got to do a
lot of radio shows with Willy Brown, and it was
great to get to do that. Just so I because
I've always read about people with you know, good politicians,
with charisman all that sort of stuff, but I've never
really been around one. Getting to be around him, Okay,
I get it, I get it. So this is what
built Clinton's probably like, this is what you know. So
that's what it feels like to be around because he's amazing.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah he was. He was a fascinating fellow. Obviously a
very successful and talented politician too.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Well, Like he walks in the room and somehow he
makes me feel better about myself.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
Oh yeah, what the hell is that?
Speaker 1 (25:16):
That doesn't even make sense. It doesn't matter what you
disagree on. He is completely focused on you making you
feel important.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
That's a weird genetic thing that some politicians have.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
Have you noticed that's missing from politics today?
Speaker 2 (25:29):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (25:30):
Most of them are so boring. You're going, you know,
how can I get out of here?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Fast enough Ron De Santis, for instance. Yes, I mean
on paper, on paper.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
Yeah, please, I know.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, it's a shame.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Willie Brown an excellent politician, but a better real estate investor.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
Look it up, folks.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's funny how he bought that property just
before the state announced the contract too.
Speaker 3 (25:52):
Well, yeah, it works there, it is.
Speaker 4 (25:55):
Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Katie Grimes, who are such big fans, we appreciate you.
In some time, I hope we can do it again.
And folks, if you're listening, well, if you're not listening,
you're not going to hear this. What the hell kind
of thing is that to say? As you listen? You
gotta be checking the California Globe constantly if you're a
Californian or just interested in California politics.
Speaker 2 (26:16):
It's fabulous.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
I got one more question. We saw the polling that
Biden is now upside down in California. Is that about Israel?
Speaker 4 (26:22):
I'm sure it is, yes, and yeah, and the Arab
voters and Muslim voters are very unhappy with him, and
we have them here in California too.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
I don't think there's any getting out of that.
Speaker 4 (26:33):
I don't either.
Speaker 1 (26:33):
Of course, he's you know, he's gonna be with God
soon so it doesn't really matter, but geez, it's a
no win situation for the old fellaw Definitely yeah, extra
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